Misplaced Pages

Latest revision as of 02:13, 6 January 2025

Points of interest related to Israel on Misplaced Pages: Outline – History – Portal – Category – WikiProject – Alerts – Deletions – Cleanup – Stubs – Assessment – To-do

• WP:DISRAEL

Deletion Sorting Project
(talk)Project page Lists (by ABC) Lists (by topic) Lists (computer-readable) AfD: Today, Yesterday Delsort scripts
v t e

This is a collection of discussions on the deletion of articles related to Israel. It is one of many deletion lists coordinated by WikiProject Deletion sorting. Anyone can help maintain the list on this page.

Adding a new AfD discussion

Adding an AfD to this page does not add it to the main page at WP:AFD. Similarly, removing an AfD from this page does not remove it from the main page at WP:AFD. If you want to nominate an article for deletion, go through the process on that page before adding it to this page. To add a discussion to this page, follow these steps:

1. Edit this page and add {{Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/PageName}} to the top of the list. Replace "PageName" with the relevant article name, i.e. the one on the existing AFD discussion. Also, indicate the title of the article in the edit summary as it is particularly helpful to add a link to the article in the edit summary. When you save the page, the discussion will automatically appear.
2. You should also tag the AfD by adding {{subst:delsort|Israel|~~~~}} to it, which will inform editors that it has been listed here. You may place this tag above or below the nomination statement or at the end of the discussion thread.

There are a few scripts and tools that can make this easier.

Removing a closed AfD discussion

Closed AfD discussions are automatically removed by a bot.

Other types of discussions

You can also add and remove other discussions (prod, CfD, TfD etc.) related to Israel. For the other XfD's, the process is the same as AfD (except {{Misplaced Pages:Miscellany for deletion/PageName}} is used for MFD and {{transclude xfd}} for the rest). For PRODs, adding a link with {{prodded}} will suffice.

Further information

For further information see Misplaced Pages's deletion policy and WP:AfD for general information about Articles for Deletion, including a list of article deletions sorted by day of nomination.

This list is also part of the larger list of deletion debates related to Middle East.

• WikiProject Deletion sorting/Israel/archive

• See also: Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Deletion sorting/Palestine, Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Deletion sorting/Judaism, Misplaced Pages:Notice board for Israel-related topics

Israel

Yissum Research Development Company of the Hebrew University

Yissum Research Development Company of the Hebrew University (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)

(Find sources: Google (books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL)

WP:PROMOTIONAL article for a subsiduary of Hebrew University of Jerusalem that doesn't seem to have any presence in it's own right per WP:INHERITORG. Current sources are, a database entry which doesn't establish notability. Times Higher Ed and Jewish Post (archived) do mention Yissum (they call it Aleph-Yissum in the THE article) but only in passing. Also cited NYT, Jewish Press and The Verge articles which don't mention Yissum at all. -- D'n'B-📞 -- 07:26, 5 January 2025 (UTC)

• Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Companies, Technology, and Israel. -- D'n'B-📞 -- 07:26, 5 January 2025 (UTC)

Alina Soupian

Alina Soupian (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)

(Find sources: Google (books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL)

Non-notable figure skater; no senior-level medal placements. Bgsu98 (Talk) 08:44, 1 January 2025 (UTC)

• Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Sportspeople, Women, Skating, Israel, and Russia. Bgsu98 (Talk) 08:44, 1 January 2025 (UTC)

Delete. Doesn't meet WP:GNG and almost entirely sourced from one website OrebroVi (talk) 17:10, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

• Delete. I agree with the nominator. There many fine figure skaters in Israel. Very few of these are notable by Wikipedian standards. The article can be redirected to Israeli Figure Skating Championships, but only after her medal year is added to the tables. Please read the last condition carefully and let it sink! gidonb (talk) 20:55, 3 January 2025 (UTC)

  • Delete Fails to meet notability and significant coverage standards.

  Shrug02 (talk) 00:10, 5 January 2025 (UTC)

Naftali Schiff

Naftali Schiff (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)

(Find sources: Google (books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL)

Fails WP:GNG. The article reads a lot like a CV. The piece "Rabbi Naftali Schiff: Aish UK's wonderwall" by The Jewish Chronicle might be one source that counts towards notability, but other than that, I haven't been able to find much. Mooonswimmer 15:35, 30 December 2024 (UTC)

• Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: People, Judaism, and United Kingdom. Shellwood (talk) 15:44, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
• Weak keep. Thanks for the nomination -- I had thought about AfDing this article when originally creating Josef Lewkowicz. Most of the sources currently in the article are poor, and it needs a WP:TNT. But there are multiple, in-depth profiles in the Jewish Chronicle and Jewish News over the years , , , multiple=page coverage in a book , with additional coverage of Schiff role in his charities , , , that could suffice for notability. Longhornsg (talk) 16:30, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
• Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Israel and England. WCQuidditch ☎ ✎ 18:04, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
• Delete as a professional at work. Misses the bar of the GNG. gidonb (talk) 03:36, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
• Keep per sources provided by Longhornsg. Whizkin (talk) 19:57, 4 January 2025 (UTC)

JCC Maccabi Youth Games

JCC Maccabi Youth Games (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)

(Find sources: Google (books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL)

Redirect to parent org Maccabi World Union, where it is better contextualized. Youth version of the notable Maccabiah Games. Longhornsg (talk) 16:13, 30 December 2024 (UTC)

• Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Judaism, Sports, Olympics, Israel, and United States of America. Longhornsg (talk) 16:13, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
• Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Events-related deletion discussions. WCQuidditch ☎ ✎ 18:03, 30 December 2024 (UTC)

Merge (highly selectively) into Jewish Community Center. I do not see it mentioned at the target so the proposed redirect is not really an option. Plus, it's basically a program of the Jewish Community Centers, in collaboration with Maccabi. No objection to delete either. gidonb (talk) 03:43, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was redirect‎ to Haret Hreik. Liz 03:04, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

Hezbollah Headquarters

Hezbollah Headquarters (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)

(Find sources: Google (books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL)

Redirect to Haret Hreik. WP:RS do not identify this as a distinct entity but rather use it as a descriptive term. The cited provide only WP:PASSING mentions of a "Hezbollah headquarters" with their primary focus on information already covered in existing Misplaced Pages articles. Consolidating this content under Haret Hreik is more appropriate, as the area encompasses the context discussed here. A redirect ensures the information remains accessible without duplicating content unnecessarily. Longhornsg (talk) 02:17, 30 December 2024 (UTC)

• Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Terrorism, Geography, Middle East, Israel, and Lebanon. Longhornsg (talk) 02:17, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
• Redirect per nom. The term "Hezbollah Headquarters" seems to have only been discussed as a casual mention in reference to recent events. There do not appear to be any sources describing the "Hezbollah Headquarters" as a physical location. Anonymous 19:40, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
• Redirect per nom for all the reason mentioned above me and more. gidonb (talk) 19:21, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
• Redirect - Haret Hreik is more appropriate. Whizkin (talk) 19:55, 4 January 2025 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

Tzameret Fuerst

Tzameret Fuerst (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)

(Find sources: Google (books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL)

Advert. all sources are PR, no in-depth personal coverage --Altenmann >talk 15:28, 26 December 2024 (UTC)

• Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Businesspeople, Women, Israel, and United States of America. Shellwood (talk) 16:14, 26 December 2024 (UTC)
• The sources on Fuerst's page are terrible, and it's unclear if she meets WP:NBIO. However, her startup Circ MedTech absolutely meets WP:GNG, with WP:SIGCOV in New York Times, Haaretz, Tablet, VoA, Times of Israel, NoCamels, Reuters, among others. I'll go ahead and create Circ MedTech, and propose we redirect Fuerst to Circ MedTech. Longhornsg (talk) 22:31, 27 December 2024 (UTC) 05:33, 27 December 2024 (UTC)

please note and check that the start up got raft of criticism, allegedly unproven scientific benefits. It is mentioned briefly in the book "Thou Shalt Innovate" by Avi Jorisch, pp. 190-191, the book dedicated to the start up 33 words, the book discuss the greatest innovations that came out of Israel. And guess what ? Tzameret Fuerst not mentioned there, but the three founders of the company mentioned there. It is not her Start-Up, she was married to one of the founders. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A0D:6FC7:50E:22C2:778:5634:1232:5476 (talk)

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Relisting. If you are arguing for a Redirect or Merge, please provide a link to the target article so that it can be reviewed to see if it is suitable.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz 23:23, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

• Delete: The circumcision device might be notable , but this person is only mentioned in context of the company or the device. I don't see notability. Oaktree b (talk) 00:56, 3 January 2025 (UTC)

AEYE Health

AEYE Health (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)

(Find sources: Google (books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL)

AEYE Health does not appear to meet WP:ORG. In going through the sources, they appear to be press releases or otherwise connected with the company, and the very small number of exceptions do not appear to be significant. There is material out there, but nothing that I think passes WP:ORG, as I cannot find material which is clearly both independent and significant. Hopefully someone can do a better job than I did, but at the moment I cannot find enough to get this past the requirements. - Bilby (talk) 11:28, 17 December 2024 (UTC)

• Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Companies, Medicine, Technology, Israel, and New York. WCQuidditch ☎ ✎ 11:47, 17 December 2024 (UTC)

Hi Bilby, I see there are several generic sources like Reuters or Fortune, while others, such as the British Journal of Ophthalmology, Modern Retina, and Ophthalmology Times, appear to be specialized journals in the field. Additionally, we're talking about an entity that is bringing significant changes to the sector thanks to the use of innovations such as Artificial Intelligence, supported by studies. Do you have any specific suggestions on how to enrich the entry? Can I ask the company to send me better materials so I can submit them for your review and that of other editors? Thanks! Dirindalex1988 (talk) 15:10, 23 December 2024 (UTC)

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz 09:25, 24 December 2024 (UTC)

Hi! Sorry for taking so long to reply - it is a surprisingly busy time of the year. But, when I went through the references:

• Mentions AEYE health in passing, but does not cover the company in depth
• does discuss the company, but reads like a press release or advertorial.
• is not independent
• consists of little more than a series of quotes from the CEO
• is a copy of a press release
• does cover Aeye health, but has only seven sentences on the subject
• seems only to state that a company has invested in Aeye.
• copy of a press release
• Standard coverage of a company, appears to be based on a press release
• Summary of a press release
• Summary of a press release
• Summary of a press release
• No mention of Aeye

None of this seems to be sufficiently independent and in-depth. - Bilby (talk) 13:51, 25 December 2024 (UTC)

Hello Bilby,

First of all, thank you for your detailed response, and of course, I completely understand that during these festive days it’s challenging to manage everything! While I understand that some sources are merely press releases and thus not usable, I have a few reservations about some of your comments.

• https://fortune.com/well/2024/03/22/ai-eye-exams-diabetic-retinopathy/ I don’t quite understand the issue with this one. Even the link itself contains the company’s name, which is one of the main subjects of the article.
• https://www.calcalist.co.il/calcalistech/article/bk8iuea3q I understand the objection, but since this is also an interview, I think it’s normal that the tone regarding the company might not be particularly “objective.” However, it’s still an article published on an independent platform.
• https://bjo.bmj.com/content/108/5/742 This is a scientific study published in a specialized journal, complete with references. In this case, can’t it still be considered reliable or at least useful for the company’s recognition?
• https://nocamels.com/2024/07/ai-makes-vital-diabetic-eye-test-as-simple-as-saying-cheese/ This is a public interview about the company’s activities. I don’t understand what the issue is with this source.
• https://en.globes.co.il/en/article-biolight-invests-in-1m-in-aeye-health-1001364773 It also includes general information about the company, in addition to discussing a specific piece of news.
• https://www.reuters.com/business/healthcare-pharmaceuticals/aeye-health-gets-fda-approval-screen-diabetics-prevent-blindness-2022-11-15/ I understand the concern, but I believe Reuters doesn’t publish articles or press releases that lack validity. If helpful, I also found this additional article: https://www.reuters.com/business/healthcare-pharmaceuticals/optomed-oyj-aeye-health-say-portable-device-detect-eye-issues-gets-fda-nod-2024-05-01/

Finally, if it might be useful, I’d like to highlight this other source:

https://www.mobihealthnews.com/news/aeye-health-receives-fda-510k-ai-backed-diabetic-retinopathy-screening

https://time.com/collection/time100-ai-2024/

https://time.com/7012722/zack-dvey-aharon/ Dirindalex1988 (talk) 09:10, 26 December 2024 (UTC)

To explain:

• Fortune.com: the coverage of Aeye health consists of passing mentiosn "... and Israeli software company AEYE Health" and "AEYE Health said its eye exam is used by “low hundreds” of U.S. providers". As far as I can tell, that is the extent of the specific coverage in the article.
• calcalist.co.il: is an interview. It is something, but an interview isn't really independent coverage.
• bjo.bmj.com: at first it looked great. Then I realised that every author of the study is an employee, board member or the CEO of the company. So I can't see it as independent.
• globes.co.il: is a standard statement of an investment, which reads exactly like a presss release.
• Reuters.com: is a clear summary of a press release.

I think that nocamels.com is the best, but mostly it is the CEO talking up his company. That's not a lot to go on. The requirment is for "significant coverage in multiple reliable secondary sources that are independent of the subject." Run-of-the-mill coverage of press releases, papers written by the company, or sources that make only a passing reference do not tend to meet this criteria. - Bilby (talk) 09:29, 26 December 2024 (UTC)

Thank you, everything is much clearer now. In the meantime, I’d like to point out these two additional sources from Google Books and Scholar:

https://bostoneyeblink.com/category/uncategorized/

https://www.google.it/books/edition/The_Startup_Protocol/PkLyEAAAQBAJ?hl=it&gbpv=1&dq=%22AEYE+Health%22+-wikipedia&pg=PT39&printsec=frontcover

https://iovs.arvojournals.org/article.aspx?articleid=2795094

Do you think they could be usable? Dirindalex1988 (talk) 10:30, 26 December 2024 (UTC)

Sources need to be independent of the subject. Sources written predominently by people working with or for Aeye Health are unlikely to pass that bar. - Bilby (talk) 11:08, 26 December 2024 (UTC)

Thank you as always! I’m attaching additional sources I’ve found; they should be independent:

https://time.com/7012722/zack-dvey-aharon/ The CEO is mentioned in the TIME100AI list due to the work of the company, the entire peice is about the company and the technology, not about his personal life.

https://www.ynetnews.com/health_science/article/h11qwtyma

https://www.globes.co.il/news/article.aspx?did=1001490971

https://www.umassmed.edu/arc-pbrn/current-projects/project-4-page-generic/airs-pc/

Regarding bjo.bmj.com, the British Journal of Ophthalmology is a highly reputable peer-reviewed journal, which has accepted the article for publication, including research published by the company that bolsters its credibility and reinforces the validity of its claims.

P.s I know I’m making a lot of requests and don’t want to overwhelm you. Is there a way to seek help from other experienced editors or admins as well? Dirindalex1988 (talk) 17:53, 26 December 2024 (UTC)

The BMJ article is written entirely by staff and board members from Aeye health. It may be published in a journal, but it is not independent. UMass has partnered with Aeye Health to produce their report. It is thus not independent. The globes.co.il article is an interview with the CEO. It is therefore not independent. The ynetnews article is simply quotes from press releases by Aeye Health. It is also not independent. The Time article is the only one of note. If someone feels that five paragraphs published about the founder is suffficently in-depth to warrant an article, I will be surprised, but it is a start.

You could try asking in WP:Teahouse for assistance. I would also recommend reading the requirements at Misplaced Pages:Notability (organizations and companies), which does a good job of explaining the situation. Otherwise, hopefully more people will choose to be involved in this discussion. - Bilby (talk) 01:33, 27 December 2024 (UTC)

The Time 100 article was sourced from a PRnewsire press release and an interview with the CEO of AEYE. The writer was paid with a $50,000 grant (Tarbell Fellowship) from A.I. organization donors who say they exercise no editorial control, but aim to increase journalistic coverage of companies working in A.I. For me, it's hard to see this article as separate from promotion by AEYE. Even if Time claims writer's independence from the donors, the link to PRnewswire is in the middle of the article. If this was notable, there should be another source of information besides a press release. Just Al (talk) 20:17, 27 December 2024 (UTC)

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Beeblebrox 01:09, 1 January 2025 (UTC)

• Delete: I agree with the analysis of nom's reference not qualifying GNG/ORG guidelines. ☮️Counter-Strike:Mention 269🕉️ 08:05, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
• Draftify: In light of the ongoing discussion regarding the potential deletion, it would also be possible to propose the option of transforming the entry into a draft? This approach would provide the necessary time and flexibility to address the concerns raised, particularly regarding the lack of reliable sources. Dirindalex1988 (talk) — Preceding undated comment added 09:01, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
• Delete: I also agree with the above analysis of references. None meet GNG/WP:NCORP guidelines. Not against sending to Drafts either. HighKing 15:45, 3 January 2025 (UTC)

Deletion review

Proposed deletions

Templates

Categories

Images

Redirects

Requested Moves

Miscellaneous

• Misplaced Pages deletion sorting by country
• WikiProject Israel
• Misplaced Pages deletion sorting