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== ''The Bugle'': Issue 224, December 2024 ==
Thanks for your thanks! I saw your note to Lar and your mention of it above reminded me. It's a great idea. Do you want or need any help with it? --] 05:25, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
:Thanks. Count me in, please. --] 06:05, 16 November 2006 (UTC)


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:I understand now that I shouldn't have tried to defend myself when I was attacked by Synaptic on the ] page, but it was not their first attack and no one pointed it out to me before. They keep doing it and I had never read the ] before until you pointed it out. Thank you. It helped. It's very difficult not to react to such attacks and just sit there waiting for someone to care to respond. If no one ever responds, especially if they don't know what is going on, who is right and who is wrong, the attack remains there for everyone to read and possibly also to make different real life decisions assuming that you have nothing to say to it and that you left in shame. Where do we go to cry for help? ] 09:29, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
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Hi, I asked you an optional question on your RFA, thought i'd mention it here since it can be easy to miss new questions. ] ] 12:03, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
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::I'm following up offline with Doc, I will answer it after that's had a chance for some discussion. Reasonable question. ] 23:34, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
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:I supported your RFA, but I'd like an assurance that you won't end up building a temple of hate to Arthur. ] 17:40, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
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::Arthur has nothing to worry about. The whale, now... ] 23:34, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

::* Hey, he's just zis whale, you know... <b>]</b> <small>(])</small> 09:54, 28 February 2007 (UTC)



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If you have questions, feel free to leave a talk page message for me or any other admin. Again, congratulations! <span style="font-family: Verdana">] ]</span> 03:48, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

Congratulations from me as well. Regards, ] 04:00, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
:Ditto, congrats. ] 08:42, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
::Good luck. I hope you become a successful administrator. ] (], ) 09:51, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
:::You hope he ''becomes'' one? :) Have you seen how highly many people think of him? Congratulations George, I'm pleased to see that your RfA has been successful. Based on the opinions of others I trust I'm convinced you'll be (and have been) a valuable asset to the project. To the extent it can help you be an even better contributor, please do continue to consider the concerns raised. - ] <sup><small>]</small></sup> 14:14, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

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Awesome! Herewith a gift... Well done, I look forward to even better times working with you. ++]: ]/] 18:40, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
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{{{1|]}}} has smiled at you! Smiles promote ] and hopefully this one has made your day better. Spread the WikiLove by smiling at someone else, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past or a good friend. Happy editing! {{{2|}}} <br /> Smile at others by adding {{tls|Smile}} to their talk page with a friendly message.
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== RFCU on Flanders888 ==

In doing clerking duties, I have moved your checkuser request to the "outstanding requests" section (requests awaiting checkuser action). Technically, the request is non-compliant because of improper coding but I have '''not''' placed it under the "non-compliant requests" section. This message is FYI, no response is required or requested. ] 17:58, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

== comments in the capacity of an editor, not in the capacity of doing any WP clerking duties ==
Why can't you just block Mrfggc88west for vandalism only edits? Checkusers' time is valuable because they get so many requests. Some requests take a long time to do. Again, no response is requested, just an idea for you. ] 18:05, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

I looked at some of Mrfggc88west's edits. This is just terrible!] 18:21, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

== The Military history WikiProject Newsletter: Issue XV (May 2007) ==

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==Could you explain?==
I noticed you restored ] although the AfD clearly stated it was meant to delete ] '''and''' its equivalent Brown's gas. Since both are not supported by ] I am confused as to why you think the AfD did not specifically address '''both''' articles because of ], ] and ].<font color="green"> ]</font><sup><i><font color="blue"><small>]</small></font></i></sup> 20:50, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

== Brown's gas ==

The problem is conflating HHO and Brown's gas. Brown's gas is a longstanding chemistry term of the art, with clear historical background, and it's also still used in some materials processing industry. HHO is pseudoscience crap, if you'll pardon the mild profanity. If Brown's gas needs proper sourcing et al, then it should be sourced. Tarring Brown's gas with any HHO feathers is a mistake and a majority of the AFD voters seem to clearly realize that.

That they happen to refer to the same physical thing doesn't make both pseudoscience.

Anyways, that's my reasoning. We should fix/reference Brown's gas, sure. But it's not pseudoscience. ] 21:07, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

: It's not that simple. Both have aspects of legitimate science, aspects of protoscience/pseudoscience, and aspects of a hoax. Look at the Brown's gas claims of nuclear transmutation, for instance. (Oh wait, you can't; the article was deleted out of process...)
: A lot of the bogosity like "sublimation" (actually oxidation) of tungsten has been claimed for both gases.
: The welding part is perfectly legit, though not very useful in reality, according to some of the things I have read. (Can weld aluminum great, but can't weld steel...)
: The water-fuelled car part is an obvious hoax. (Though this is mostly claimed by the reporters, and not the proponents themselves. Never trust a journalist when science is involved.) — ] 01:55, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

== Blocked ==
Hi there. I see that I was blocked last month by you and requested unblocking, it was declined by Viridae (]) stating that ''"the sockppuppetry alone is well worth 48 hrs"''. If you will look at ] (copied from ], no 84) you will see that a) I had explained away the alleged sockpuppetry, b) it had already been dealt with (and no ban was felt necessary), c) after I took steps to prevent usage of my wi-fi by other user/neighbours, it stopped, and in any case d) it had happened weeks before this ban.
In your you did not mention sockpuppetry. As for the incivility, I think I made good points, although should have made it clear I was quoting. Is there anyway to remove a block from the system after it has expired? ]<sup>]|]</sup> 12:32, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

== Aha ==

You are apparently one of those people who yells "abuse" immediately something happens they don't like? First, process for the sake of process violates ]. Second, despite your claim, after ''thirteen'' discussions already, this is in no way a "no consensus" issue. Third, removal of other people's comments is bad. Fourth, false accusations of abuse is also bad. Fifth, despite your claim I used no admin powers here. And sixth, you are an involved user with respect to this issue. All in all your actions here are highly inappropriate. ] 19:22, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
*And ''your'' right to randomly accuse people you disagree with of abuse ends at the ''preview button''. ] exists for a reason. ] 16:11, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

== Citation policy ==

Georgewilliamherbert, your recent edits to ] are in violation of wikipedia policy. Uncited-tagged passages may be removed at any time and are NOT subject to reversion WITHOUT providing the required sources. Please see the talk page at ]. ] 06:40, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

== Gene Pool ==

You know, you're right. This is ridiculous. I refuse to participate in something so juvenile, and Gene obviously isn't going to listen to anything anyone says. Consider me out. --] ] 19:22, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
:One more comment, though: ] is nothing more than Gene attempting to justify abuse of other editors. There are something like two people on the page who have actually been blocked for incivility, so chances are good that Gene initiated the arguments in the first place. And everything on the page s taken completely out of context; for instance, he keeps adding (and I keep removing) a section that says " 'a dick'- Captain Wikify ". I did '''not''' call Gene a dick, I said that he was '''acting like a ]'''. There is a clear difference, yet Gene continues to add my name and make it look like I'm an abusive vandal. Honestly, I think the page shouldn't even exist - most of the people on it are legitimate editors who said one thing that was made to say another by Gene when he took them out of context. --] ] 20:20, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
::I just took a while to type it out. --] ] 20:35, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
:::I know... It's terrible timing, as the dispute hasn't even ended yet. But from what I'm seen, Gene is stubborn enough to continue adding my name to the page, and I know for a fact I'm stubborn enough to continue removing it. We'd both be in serious trouble because it would escalate to one of us blatantly attacking the other or me breaking the 3RR rule over and over and over; I figured that I'd try and MFD the page as quickly as possible to prevent this by getting rid of the page completely. I would appreciate your comment on the MFD. --] ] 20:42, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
:::: is why I MFD'd it. I absolutely refuse to allow him to leave that there. --] ] 23:25, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

== Courtesty Blanking ==

FYI, courtesy blanking is a rare but recurring event. We even have {{tl|afd-privacy}} to use when it is done. It should be done when the blanked AFD content is privacy invading and harmful or is libelous. It should not be done lightly; ] (a section of Misplaced Pages:Deletion policy) says as a final caution "Courtesy blanking is extremely rare, and should not be performed lightly." ] 15:25, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

== Ooops... ==

But I apologised in advance. Besides I wasn't attacking, I was trying to make a valid point. T_T

== Okay ==

I'm leaving things as is. I was planning on just letting the MFD run its course and opting out any sort of argument, but Gene has been pushing my buttons all day, and it's getting ridiculous. You've seen my comments on Radiant's talk page, the AN, and the MFD, so you know where I stand. Other than that, I've had it with Gene and his childish actions. --] ] 23:52, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
:The only "childish actions" here are yours. '''You''' attacked and threatened and name-called me. You did so entirely without provocation. Had you not done so I would not even be aware of your existence, yet you chose to do so anyway. You were warned for doing so, yet you continued and still continue to do so. When you stop it and apologise the matter will be dropped. That's all there is to it. --] 23:56, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

== Just thought I'd point this out ==

I'm no expert, but if you ask me, this constitutes as abuse. --] ] 01:25, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
:Taken to AN: --] ] 03:23, 17 June 2007 (UTC)

== Hello ==

Thanks for your level-headed response to GP and CW. Cheers, ] 11:43, 19 June 2007 (UTC)


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Response at ] ] <small>(])</small> 03:08, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

== ] ==

I understand that ] has been deleting contents from ], however, I am just wondering what is the blocking policy. As Macfan93 was first given warning at 00:15, but his/her last edit was 00:14. It would be great if you can verify for me so that I would know when to report user next time. --] 07:01, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

== More ] ==

Another IP (]) has popped up this morning, in the same block of IPs in the sockpuppet report. I've reached the end of my 3RRs on a few of the articles already. Is there a better place to report this? ] 23:17, 20 June 2007 (UTC)
:It's blocked, and for a while. I've also asked ] to please do another range block, since the previous one only seemed to make Ron ornier. We shall see... *sigh* -] 00:13, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

== Suppressor ==

I do not have access to the books cited for other facts in the article, by "Poulsen et al" as you write - did you mean Paulson? Since you reverted my tag saying the books clearly confirm the detail in question, can you please add to the article with the appropriate citation tag for this sentence? I can't add it myself, for I do not have access to these works. I'm putting the tag back up in the meantime, but please remove it as soon as you can confirm which book contains the citation. ] 07:44, 23 June 2007 (UTC)

==]==
Hello,

An Arbitration case in which you commented has been opened: ]. Please add any evidence you may wish the Arbitrators to consider to the evidence sub-page, ]. You may also contribute to the case on the workshop sub-page, ].

On behalf of the Arbitration Committee, ] 23:50, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

== Misplaced Pages content for children, and olpc ==

I'm glad you had a chance to hear mary lou speak; she's something else. I'd love to talk about this more -- we should create a wikiproject for it. Are you ever on IRC? I'll be online and meeting about just this tomorrow b/t 1200 and 1600 EST.

Also, the OLPC-related articles on here are a total mess. Please see ] and lend a hand if you can; I'd rather not hack at the article myself.

Until soon,
]] 00:14, 1 July 2007 (UTC)

: Perhaps something like ] for the one encyclopedia per child project? Something that should be related to the ] efforts (they would like to be involved as well). ]] 02:54, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

== The Military history WikiProject Newsletter: Issue XVI (June 2007) ==

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==To Georgewilliamherbert ((Unblock))==
What do you want me to do to prove my SABR identity and to more along the "reinstatement" process. See my talk page. --] 17:39, 10 July 2007 (UTC) (Ron Liebman)

:I believe he is also discussing the matter with ]. Perhaps you should contact him, Mr. Herbert, to acquire additional information on this matter. Thank you for your time. :) -] 18:30, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

==A36 steel==
My source is my own practice. A36 is used for rolled shapes other than wide-flange shapes -- angles and channels being the most common. A992 (a 50 ksi steel) is the preferred steel for wide-flange shapes which make up the vast majority of steel in most structures. Most plate is A36 or A572 Grade 50.

Take a look at AISC's site, and 2003 article from ''Modern Steel Construction''. ] 03:12, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

== Ron liebman ==

I've at the admin noticeboard regarding his currently outstanding unblock request, since it seems discussion may have stalled. Looks like you've had some involvement in this, so I thought I should let you know. Feel free to comment. &ndash; <span style="font-family: Garamond">] (])</span> 07:39, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

== Image:BWB-Composite.png listed for deletion ==
An image or media file that you uploaded or altered, ], has been listed at ]. Please see the ] to see why this is (you may have to search for the title of the image to find its entry), if you are interested in it not being deleted. Thank you. -] 22:15, 12 July 2007 (UTC) <!-- Template:Idw -->

==Thank you!==
I think perhaps both. :-) Cheers, ] ] 03:50, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

== Smile ==

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{{{1|--]}}} has smiled at you! Smiles promote ] and hopefully this one has made your day better. Spread the WikiLove by smiling at someone else, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past or a good friend. Happy editing! {{{2|}}} <br /> Smile at others by adding {{tls|Smile}} to their talk page with a friendly message.
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== big page ==

you should consider archiving this long talk page--] 01:49, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

== Re: Cover art, and ] ==

There is in fact a widespread "using image for identification is OK" cnsensus. Please don't be damaging templates in this manner. ] 20:46, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

:There has been no discussion to support that. Asserting that there is consensus does not make it so. --]&nbsp;(]) 02:02, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

== Additional Moog ==

Morning

I'm just writing to ask how my comment stating that there are in fact previous members of the "lo fi band" Additional Moog classes as vandalism?? There are ex members, surely the entry is incomplete if it excludes this fact?

Thanks

== ], fluctuations in the quantum vacuum, electromagnetic quantum vacuum, ZPE fluctuations/sea of energy, ... a.k.a. ']' ==

Dear Administrator: related to your edition and to your comment alleging ], please allow to indicate the Wikilink to my shared answer: . In order to complement the answer please allow also to present a few words, from an aerospace engineer; words which very well convey my lay perception on this subject:
<blockquote>"''The concept of the aether has returned in the form of the dynamic fluctuating vacuum energy that fills so-called empty space everywhere in the universe. The physics of the vacuum is shaping up as a major theme of frontier science in the 21st century.''" in </blockquote><br> Thank you for the attention that you have devoted to my editions.
P.S.: It was nice read at your user page, only afterwards, that you work in the aerospace engineering; i am a systems admin, not a physicist, but coincidently my brother works in the aerospace engineering too. See you :-)

== Info ==

Thanks for the info. I'll be more careful next time. ] 00:51, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

== Indef blocks ==

Thanks - I've tweaked those two to a month each while I look at them again. <b>] ]</b> 03:00, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

== Thanks ==

In that case, does test5 still work? ''''']]''''' 03:45, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

==Closure==
Pascal an admin? No. So you just closed a debate controversially that you participated in, and that after calling me insane. Doesnt look good, ] 20:03, 31 July 2007 (UTC)

== Removal of my comments ==

A user is from a talk page. Please intervene. --] 15:48, 2 August 2007 (UTC)
:The comments were entirely inappropriate, and disturbingly one-sided. See ]. ]<sup><small><font color="DarkGreen">]</font></small></sup> 17:02, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

He just doesn't get it. Now he has taken it upon himself to refactor the page. Please advise him not to touch other people's comments. --] 19:31, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

:I've just moved major standalone comment blocks to the bottom, and given them titles, for easier navigation. Must everything be a battle with you? Must you always ] and make ] comments about me? ]<sup><small><font color="DarkGreen">]</font></small></sup> 19:42, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

I am trying to be civil. As an involved party you have no right to touch other people's comments. --] 19:57, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

:(edit conflict) Huh? Where is that rule written? I haven't ''modified'' comments, I just re-organized the page for easier readability, navigation, and editing. I was quite careful with what I moved, to make sure none of them depended on previous posts, but were standalone comments. I'm getting the impression that your objection is not with what was done, but with the fact that '''I''' did it. ]<sup><small><font color="DarkGreen">]</font></small></sup> 20:04, 2 August 2007 (UTC)
It's not a question of bad faith. No matter how good your intentions are, you should not trust yourself to edit other people's comments in a debate you are involved in, and no one else should trust you either. --] 20:02, 2 August 2007 (UTC)
:I didn't "edit" comments, I moved them into sections. And you haven't trusted me from the start, this has been one of the most egregious displays of ] I've seen. Your bad faith doesn't make me untrustworthy, nor does it mean that any action I take should be automatically protested. ]<sup><small><font color="DarkGreen">]</font></small></sup> 20:05, 2 August 2007 (UTC)
The fact that I think you are involved in POINT has nothing to do with telling you to not touch other people's comments. It is a basic principle of human nature that we cannot trust ourselves to be objective about matters we are emotionally involved in. You don't seem to grasp that. --] 20:15, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

== Military history WikiProject coordinator selection ==

The ] selection process is starting. We are looking to elect nine coordinators to serve for the next six months; if you are interested in running, please ] by August 14! ] 03:11, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

== Vandalism of Enola Gay Article ==

George:

I posted the following on the Enola Gay talk page. I don't know if you monitor that article, but you might be interested in the vandalism issue.

I was wondering why this article was so spare, compared with its sister article on ]. A hint was on this talk page, where I saw discussion of things that were not now in the Enola Gay article. When I searched History to see when they were taken out, I learned that at 16:02 on May 18, 2007, a vandal with the screenname of Eric1sr had replaced the entire World War II History section with "enola gay was a flamer." Within the minute, MartinBot had reverted the vandalism and graffiti. Two minutes later Eric1sr struck again, removing the World War II History section, and again eight minutes after that, removing the Subsequent History section. This time, MartinBot didn't catch it.

At 16:30 the same day, a live user, Nexonen, eliminated the graffiti, but did not restore the missing sections. For the next three months, people kept trying to add information to flesh out the article, but no one noticed that the problem was uncorrected vandalism.

] 03:15, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

== Page Move Help==
Hello, I need help with a move.
] redirects to ].
I would like for it to be the opposite, for Maple Hill Mall to link to Maple Hill Pavilion.

Maple Hill Pavilion is the current name of this mall, so I think that Maple Hill Mall should be mentioned in the article, but not be the title because the name is no longer being used.

Thanks for your help! --] <sup>]</sup><small>]<sub>] </sub></small> 00:51, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

== foam plasma pressure fallacy ==

I have written you regarding your refference to "foam plasma". I read the article, but unfortunately did not retrieve it. I am not a physiscist, nor a scholar by any means. I am however, a skilled mechanic, and Veteran Marine. As a cold war Veteran, I obviosly stay abrest of the potential of NBC threats.

I checked on your suggested article, 4.4.4.3.2. I also took a look at some simplified drawings(called 'schmatics') of the Teller-Ulam device. In particular, (as relating to your comments), I noticed in section 4.4.2, on page 6 of 4.4,elements of a thermonuclear device, a distinct depiction of a "POLYSTYRENE FILLED RADIATION CHANNEL"

As a simple heavy equipment mechanic, I can understand how radiation and pressure travels this channel very quickly, I do however, agree with you that the polystyrene is nothing ore than a material that simply vaporizes under fission detonation.

I mean, for crying out loud, a fusion bomb is just an advaced fission bomb, used to compress fusionable materials to critical mass.

The Teller-Ulam device is similar to early gun-type fission bombs. They simply used a fission reacton to compress different materials.

I don't know the math used at all, and I barely understand the Alarm Clock?Layer Cake thing, but I do know that I can obliterat polystyrene with my cigarette, cigarette lighter, acytelene torch, and my shotgun, and never produce fusionable plasma.

good job.

Cowboyo31

I wanted to add that I believe the polystyrene "radiation channel" may be nothing more than an alignment tool for other components. Perhaps it is called a "Radiation Channel", becouse in the 50's, we had our coffee in paper cups. Velcro was first used on the Apollo 11 mission in '69 for Gods sake,

== ] ==

The whole department was deleted, including its dozens of subpages. ] 18:55, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

:Yeah, although you restored ], the page mostly consists of redlinks to deleted content at this point. --] 18:59, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

I answered on Transhumanists' page, but for anyone else... Yes, I noticed that a few minutes later. I'm in the process of undoing all the individual subpage deletes, too. Please be patient, it takes a bit of manual effort for each one. ] 19:00, 14 August 2007 (UTC)
: the deleted redirects can be found (as redlinks) at ]. ] 19:06, 14 August 2007 (UTC)
:: I'm just going back through Alkivar's admin log and restoring from there. ] 19:07, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

:::It's improper of you do so with the DRV going on, particularly as you don't appear to have discussed the matter with Alkiver beforehand ( being, near as I can tell, your first communication with him). I'm asking you to reverse yourself pending the outcome of DRV. Best, ] ] 01:44, 15 August 2007 (UTC)
::::I second Mackensen's request. You are wheel warring, which is inappropriate behavior for any admin. ] 08:45, 15 August 2007 (UTC)
:::::Please see ]. ] 08:49, 15 August 2007 (UTC)
::::::I do hope you're aware of the ] in your statement there? ] 09:17, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

Setting aside whether BJAODN should be deleted or not, I'd like to express my respect for you, that having perceived another admin's action as wrong, you have firmly reverted it and stood by your opinion, even when faced of accusations of wheel warring (which are false, because pure sanity, if not ], requires multiple reverts to constitute a wheel war). Admins are not infallible and one must be bold enough to revert when feeling another's decision is wrong. ]] 13:09, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

::I think it would have been far more appropriate to wait for the DRV to finish instead of restoring content that may be copyright infringement. (] ? (]) 16:50, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

:::I started before there was anything at DRV, there wasn't a process short-circuit. ] 17:37, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

::::Unfortunately that is not quite true. Hisspaceresearch opened a DRV at 18:22 and notified Alkivar on his talk page at 18:26. Your first undelete was at 18:40. True, that's less than 20 minutes apart, but if you had attempted to disucss the issue with Alkivar first you would have seen the DRV notice. You continued to undelete until 19:50, after both an MFD and a DRV had been filed. See ] if you are curious (and if I have made a mistake, please correct it). ] 18:14, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

:::::(cc'ed from ])

:::::Your timeline (of edits) is correct, but misses what I was doing between edits. As I have repeatedly stated, there was no DRV or MFD open when I started off on a loop of non-edit research that took me to the eventual start of the undeletes. That research included looking at... I forget, reviewing last version before deletion history logs on twenty or so of the individual articles Alkivar had deleted, his admin logs for the last 500 edits, his edit logs to see if he was still logged in, and a couple of other things (in which I missed the AN discussion from the night before on first pass, but found it a bit later after I started the undeletes).

:::::"Doing your homework" in something like this necessarily involved a lot of stuff that wasn't edits. One can properly fault me for not checking DRV ''again'' after the first major research scan, before starting the undelete. But there wasn't anything on DRV when I started. ] 18:33, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

==BJAODN Arbitration==
I have the ] to review the deletion and undeletion of BJAODN. ] 14:59, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

== re ] and your report at WP:ANI ==

Hi. I am writing here since it appears that no other admin has commented at ANI. I note from the contribs history that Tim has gone quiet. Since blocking is properly a preventative measure I see no point in pursuing action against him at this time. If he starts up again then it will have to be looked at at that time. Do you concur? If he does make the same type of edits, please feel free to contact (and remind) me of this instance. Cheers. ] 20:54, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

== Strathvooey ==

I have a proposal for you-

If we can prove Strathvooey's existence within 2 months you will put the following on your personal page:

"Strathvooey is real- I am a Donkey for not believing it" and, obviously, add Strathvooey to the list of micronations.

In return- should we fail to prove Strathvooey's existence we will leave wikipedia alone for good- I figure this is a reasonable forfeit as there are '''alot''' of Strathvooey supporters out there who will gladly continue adding it to your list of micronations should you refuse this offer.

Yours,
172.142.127.73

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''roll eyes''

Look, this is serious. We can't be having encyclopedia articles for subjects on which there is no available reliable information source. Please knock it off until there is some ] ] reference information on it.

If you can source it, you can add it back in, no problem. But to do that, stop arguing with me, and go find the reliable sources... ] 00:40, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

I'm done for now... I may change it again tomorrow if I can be bothered... then again maybe I'll turn to constructive editing... Misplaced Pages has been to me in the past- perhaps I will give something back to the community. I'll let you know how that turns out.
Goodnight.

== Military history WikiProject coordinator election ==

The ] election has begun. We will be selecting nine coordinators from a pool of fourteen candidates to serve for the next six months. Please ] by August 28! ] 08:12, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

==]==
Hello,

An Arbitration case involving you has been opened: ]. Please add any evidence you may wish the Arbitrators to consider to the evidence sub-page, ]. You may also contribute to the case on the workshop sub-page, ].

On behalf of the Arbitration Committee, ] 16:05, 18 August 2007 (UTC)

== ''Signpost'' and BJAODN ==

You're listed as an involved party in the BJAODN case. ''The Misplaced Pages Signpost'' will be covering the events in this week's issue. Alkivar asked that I talk to him to avoid misconstruing his words, so in the interest of fairness I'm offering you the opportunity to do so as well.

I'd be happy to talk to any/all of you regarding the case, but I don't have any questions to ask at this point, and won't be able to write anything until Monday morning UTC, at the earliest. If you have any general statements you'd like to make to me, to clear up any misconceptions, or clarify your opinion, please feel free to ]. Also, if you have any quotes in particular that you think best qualify your point, either published on-wiki, or sent to me via e-mail, I'd appreciate them. Since the case has many important issues that need to be mentioned, I want to make sure that I don't miss anything, or misrepresent anyone's views.

(Any uninvolved parties who wish to send me an e-mail can, of course, do so as well). ] ] 06:27, 19 August 2007 (UTC)

== A copy of an email which I sent to unblock-en-l@lists.wikimedia.org requesting that the duration of the 6 month block which you imposed on my account be reduced: ==

I am User:24.168.46.238 who was recently blocked from Misplaced Pages for six months by a Misplaced Pages administrator named "Georgewilliamherbert".

Since my user talk page was protected by "Mr.Z-man" only 4 minutes after the block was issued by "Georgewilliamherbert", I was denied the opportunity to post an unblock request. I'd like to request that I be give the opportunity to do so now:

I know that I was wrong for threatening legal action against "CyberGhostface", but I had asked him to stop bothering me by posting repeated warnings on my user talk page for minor violations of Misplaced Pages's rules, and he refused. I believe that he had a vendetta against me, as he seemed to be tracking my every edit, just waiting for me to do something in violation of Misplaced Pages' s rules so he could post another warning on my user talk page, which he knew would aggravate me and cause me to lose my temper. "CyberGhostface" had previously gotten me blocked for personal attacks, and I was stupid enough to fall for his ploy to get me blocked again. I lost my cool, and posted things on my user talk page that I shouldn't have. I know that there was no excuse for my behavior, and for that, I am very sorry.

I'd like to respectfully ask that you shorten the duration of by block, as I feel that six months is far too harsh of a punishment. I was initially issued a 48 hour block by one administrator, but 7 hours later (without me making any additional offensive edits or postings on Misplaced Pages), it was arbitrarily extended to 6 months by another administrator.

I promise that once my editing priviliges are reinstated, I will no longer engage in the kind of conduct (personal attacks, threats of legal action) that got me blocked. After reinstatement, I intend on creating an account on Misplaced Pages, and I will make constructive additions to the project. I invite you to check up on me periodically to see that I am keeping my word to you!

I also promise to you that will have no further contact with "CyberGhostface", and since I have no intention of violation Misplaced Pages's rules in the future, he has no valid reason whatsoever to contact me or to post warnings on my user talk page.

I feel that a reduction in the duration of my block is warranted, considering the questionable circumstances of how my block was arbitrarily increased from 48 hours to 4320 hours.

Again, please accept my sincere apology for my past behavior on Misplaced Pages, and thank you for your consideration!

''Note: I am using a friend's computer (IP Address: 64.38.198.61) simply to post this notice on the user talk page of the administrator who increased my block from 48 hours to 6 months. I am not a "sockpuppet", and I have no intention of using my friend's computer again.''

] 14:05, 19 August 2007 (UTC)

:Just to note, the statements made by 24.168.46.238 are false. Specifically, the claim 'I was initially issued a 48 hour block by one administrator, but 7 hours later (without me making any additional offensive edits or postings on Misplaced Pages), it was arbitrarily extended to 6 months by another administrator.'

:24.168.46.238 got the 24 hour block at 16:01, 16 August 2007 . At 16:41, 16 August 2007, he threatened 'I will, however, be in contact with a private investigator in order to find the true identity and location of CyberGhostface' . ] 14:49, 19 August 2007 (UTC)

::Just so you are aware, the "minor violations of Misplaced Pages's rules" include blanking the page of ], an editor who had left, with "Good riddance!" Nor did I have any ploy to get him banned. I could care less about this editor. I actually told him that once he stopped vandalizing Misplaced Pages, I would leave him alone. Before making any further judgements, I ''strongly'' suggest you look at this editor's contributions.--] 16:39, 19 August 2007 (UTC)

:::I looked at his contributions, and up until his interaction with you, CyberGhostface, he seemed to be making positive edits and contributions to wikipedia. Now let's be honest here... aren't you gloating ''just a little bit'' now that 24.168.46.238 has been blocked? If you didn't "have any ploy to get him banned" as you claim, then you wouldn't have continued to antagonize an obviously irate editor. I would advise that in the future, you exercise a little better judgement in dealing with editors who you are having problems and/or an edit war with ] 09:21, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

==DeLisle==
Got a picture of the internals of the ] that could be turned into a diagram for that article? ] 21:17, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

:If you can scan and e-mail the originals, I can help with the line drawings. I managed to make Image:Long_range_tang_sight.png from a photograph in a couple of hours. The adjustment screw and vernier scale were particularly annoying to get right... ] 21:37, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

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Hello, Please pass the Smile to three people:)] 14:54, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

== Silly antics ==

Someone has boldly moved ] to ] without discussion. I would have moved it back, but the move tab is missing from the page! ''''']''''' 03:25, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

== Civility Warning ==

Civility warning
You have repeatedly made threatening and uncivil attacks on other Misplaced Pages editors on the Misplaced Pages talk:WikiProject Ships page. This is in clear and blatant violation of our civility policy and our no personal attacks policy.

You are welcome to contribute to Misplaced Pages. You are not welcome to continue abusing or threatening other editors here. If you do so any further, you will be blocked for a brief period of time and warned again.

This behavior is unacceptable for contributors here. If you chose to behave in a mature and responsible manner, and continue constructively editing, then you'll be welcome here. You're free to disagree and argue with other editors - just don't attack or insult them. If it would be unacceptable behavior at work, it's unacceptable behavior here.

If you are not willing to meet our personal conduct policies, then please stop editing on your own. If you reject them and force us to block you then the situation will simply be regrettable on all sides.

Thank you. Georgewilliamherbert 22:57, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

This is your last warning.
If you continue to make personal attacks on other people, you will be blocked for disruption. Comment on content, not on other contributors or people.

I suggest you mete out your grave warnings in equal measure. This is a direct result of unsolicited email harrassment perpetrated by your own TomTheHand. By condemning me you condone your Wiki Administrators attacking users in private using email so as to avoid the embarrassment of revealing their own childish behavior in a public forum. As for me, I had the character to stand up, and do so in public, and defend myself from his attacks. If punitive action is to come my way while excusing the causal acts of your Administrator, who might I contact with a more formal complaint? Xl five lx 23:14, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

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== B43/Ticonderoga ==

Thanks for the cite & clarification on these articles. I was guessing it might have been a CVA-56 - don't know why a squadron designation, rather than a ship one, didn't occur to me. One other question: I notice the article uses 'B43', but the referenced source seems to use 'Mk-43'. I am slightly familiar with Mark designations from working on ships articles, but the layman likely wouldn't be; is it worth clarifying the correlation in the article? ] 19:37, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

''I am slightly familiar with Mark designations from working on ships articles, but the layman likely wouldn't be; is it worth clarifying the correlation in the article?''

You might be surprised at how many average joes expect to see, and understand, the mark references. OK, maybe I should have stopped at 'expect to see'. ] 20:07, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

:The switch from Mk-xx to Bxx / Wxx in warhead naming was... I have to go look. I'll look into it. It would be good to be consistent or at least explain ... ] 20:14, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

== ] ==

The Arbitration Committee has adopted a motion in the above arbitration case, stating, "As the underlying dispute has been satisfactorily resolved by the community, and as no evidence of bad-faith actions by any party has been presented, this case is closed with no further actions being taken." This notice is given by a clerk on behalf of the Arbitration Committee. ] 03:42, 27 August 2007 (UTC)
:Well that was fun, guess we can get back to work now! — ] <sup>]</sup> 04:04, 27 August 2007 (UTC)
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I don't mean to harass Shankbone, and if you look at his talk-page you will see that I have repeatedly asked to disengage with him and sought to ], even when he threatened me off-wiki. The problem is that he is not disengaging with me: twice, after I reached out to him, and got an agreement from him that all of our issues are resolved, he brings new frivolous complaints about me to multiple pages and refuses to stop. I don't know how I am possibly harassing him when he is following me around to articles he has nothing to do with, and all I have done is ask in response that David stop raising false complaints about me. (Cf. ]). If you can point to a diff of one of my edits that is objectionable, I will understand what you mean better. ] 03:10, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
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== "mutual harassment" ==
Hi George - I'm not engaging. Today I did a lot of clean up, and wrote a mighty fine article on ] - check it out! THF is continually going off half-cocked. I asked Mark a question, and THF, who feels entitled to make a mountain out of every molehill, a wiki-link to policy and guideline in every sentence despite his not following the same, went and opened a COIN on himself, and went around ranting. It's nice he can reference my Talk page, because he rips off all the arguments he gets in off his (sans archive). I think if you were to look at how many arguments I've been involved with in the last week, you would see they all pretty much involved THF. If you look at all of THF's arguments (where he hotkeys wikilinked policies and guidelines), they involve multiple editors (at least five, and I'd even say up to ten). Yet, ''I'm'' the problematic editor and harasser? I think THF has that wrong. When everyone else is the problem.... --<font color="#0000C0">David</font> ''']''' 03:16, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
:And I'd also like to point out, George, that the arbcom precedent THF proudly displays he is in violation of himself. "Misplaced Pages is not a battleground by undue focus on Misplaced Pages articles regarding them or organizations affiliated with them, or on their editing activities" and "Misplaced Pages is not a publisher of original thought, Misplaced Pages is not a propaganda machine and Misplaced Pages is not a battleground." I could supply the diffs, and get people to back this up. But THF's disruption ''takes so much time.'' All I want to do is create! --<font color="#0000C0">David</font> ''']''' 03:22, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

== Regarding ] ==

Hi,

I just got ] about this article. I'm aware that there are many (thousands?) of list-based articles, but aren't they mainly lists of Misplaced Pages-based links, or facts, etc.? I wasn't aware that articles consisting only of lists of books and web-links were commonplace, hence my prod. Please correct me if I'm mistaken!

Regards, ] 01:05, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

== ] ==

I noticed you tagged the article with "attention from experts needed". I think I qualify. What sort of review are you looking for?

The only comment I have is that there's still no entry for my company Venturer Aerospace, but we didn't win a COTS contract and aren't really active now, so that's ok. 8-) ] 06:47, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

:To be honest, anything at all that you could add to the article would be great. If you feel up to the job, it'd be great if you could clarify that the list is correct so far, possibly supplying references, add more companies and add information to fill wherever you see a questionmark.

:Also, you could always create the ] or ] articles, if you wanted? Having said that, why document history when you can create it..? Get out there and finish your rocket! :P — <font face="Verdana">''']''' <small>· ] · 19:14, Friday, 31 August 2007</small></font>

== Reply ==

I'm inclined to reply "what user?" but I take your point. I would just also suggest that Misplaced Pages does support a policy against trolls. '''<font color="red">]</font><font color="gold">]</font>''' 19:53, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

:Nope, he was a troll. Clever troll, eloquently expressive troll, a troll knowledgeable of Wikipolicy, but a troll all the same. Did you come across ] before? Of course he made one or two productive contributions (the Andijan massacre, as he seemed to keep pointing out!), but so far as I was concerned, and from the pages I saw, it was a matter of him insisting that the whole world was nuts or bias or both, and expecting others to "clean up their act" in His marginalist image. It's the old philosophical problem of how far one tolerates the intolerant. Is that another personal attack? Hmmmmm. I'll stop there. '''<font color="red">]</font><font color="gold">]</font>''' 20:13, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

== Re: No Personal attacks warning ==

Hi George, I replied to your message at ] --] <sup>( ] / ] )</sup> 00:17, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

==Question==
I would like to know how I have insulted anyone in the past couple days. - ] <span style="font-size: 0.8em;"><sup>]:]</sup></span> 01:10, 3 September 2007 (UTC)
:That would be . ] 01:13, 3 September 2007 (UTC)
::Like I said, that was an opinion and it was dealt with. But that was today, not the "past couple days". - ] <span style="font-size: 0.8em;"><sup>]:]</sup></span> 01:16, 3 September 2007 (UTC)
:::An opinion that crossed the line into potentially actionable personal attack. You need to tone it down. ] 01:21, 3 September 2007 (UTC)
::::Yay, ponies. Glad everyone is having fun with this. - ] <span style="font-size: 0.8em;"><sup>]:]</sup></span> 01:28, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

== TA Page ==

Thanks for keeping an eye on this. I did not originally put that quote in, and just assumed it was the exact quote. It is a pretty good paraphrase. Funny thing of course is that our sockpuppet master had also referenced Murphy, but actually reinterpreted what he said. I put in the quote word for word now. So, he will have to focus on something else, and I am sure he will.] 01:16, 3 September 2007 (UTC)


== NPA Issue ==

George, thanks for looking into this. I truly hope the personal attacks from the said user will cease now. Regards ] 02:05, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

== Suppressor ==

Okay, if you want the article serves as ]. &mdash; ] (]) &mdash; 06:49, 3 September 2007 (UTC)
:That's not my objective either, but I'd prefer a more balanced review and discussion than just removing them all. Let's talk about it on the article talk page. ] 06:51, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

== Libertarian Party ==

Well, you got me. I don't have a source stating that they're ] on social issues, but I also see no cited sources for the current ] claim...Also, on the Wiki article which covers it, the Democratic party is described as Center-left. I propose that the mainstream of the Libertarian party is well left of the mainstream of the Democratic party when it comes to social issues. How this difference can otherwise be shown is an enigma to me. -- ] <small>—Preceding ] comment added by ] (] • ]) 09:09, 3 September 2007 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

== The halloween remake ==

Hey buddy, just was hoping if you or whoever is responsible for making the page protected to stop making it that way and change it back so that anyone can edit the info. Also change in the plot about the character of Annie. She was not stabbed, she was brutally beaten and she survived the film. No one cares of about the cyber vandals or whatever. People care about seeing the correct info and if there is something not correct, then they have the option to change it to make it correct. <small>—Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 22:07, 3 September 2007 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

== Nipping this in the bud ==

Stupid vandals... you should probably semi-protect this page, that's about all I can think of that can stop this. You must have really pissed someone off to got to such lengths to do this to you. ] 01:30, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

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:Hope the vandalism stops :)--] 02:06, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

==Thanks==

Thanks for the advice. Could you please tell me how exactly I can get help from Admin when next time I saw a troublemaker messing up with the page? Thanks! <small>—Preceding ] comment added by ] (] • ]) 04:47, 4 September 2007 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

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:I've unblocked as their username seems inconsistent with the other socks and they were editing very different pages. The socks went after ] almost exclusively. HWDEF has never edited that page and has edited many different ones. I will stil watch them, they were blocked originally for being disruptive. <font face="Broadway">]'']</font>'' 21:56, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

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