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This article has previously been nominated to be moved. Please review the prior discussions if you are considering re-nomination. Move logs: Kyiv Kiev Discussions: RM, Kiev → Kyiv, Not moved, 9 July 2019, discussion RM, Kiev → Kyiv, Not moved, 26 October 2019, discussion RM, Kiev → Kyiv, Moved, 16 September 2020, discussion MRV, Endorsed, 28 September 2020, discussion Older discussions: RM, Kiev → Kyiv, No consensus, 30 July 2007, discussion RM, Kiev → Kyiv, No consensus, 5 September 2007, discussion RM, Kiev → Kyiv, No consensus, 11 September 2007, discussion RM, Kiev → Kyiv, No consensus, 10 February 2008, discussion RM, Kiev → Kyiv, Not moved, 23 September 2008, discussion RM, Kiev → Kyiv, Not moved, 29 October 2009, discussion RM, Kiev → Kyiv, No consensus, 18 November 2012, discussion RM, Kiev → Kyiv, Snow close, not moved, 7 November 2013, discussion RM, Kiev → Kyiv, Snow close, not moved, 3 October 2017, discussion RM, Kiev → Kyiv, Snow close, not moved, 12 October 2018, discussion

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Replace 'also written as Kiev' with 'outdated place-name Kiev' in the title block: as it misleadingly enable a russian promoted writing to continue being used. If clarification is needed, i propose to add 'formerly' into the statement as to emphasize its outdated nature. 204.48.92.168 (talk) 23:51, 30 January 2024 (UTC)

 Not done The reality is that sources use Kiev, it is not misleading. See WP:KIEV for more. // Timothy :: talk  00:23, 31 January 2024 (UTC)

Replace 'also written as Kiev' with 'outdated place-name Kiev' in the title block: as it misleadingly enable a russian promoted writing to continue being used. Levenyatko (talk) 02:02, 4 February 2024 (UTC)

It's neither Russian nor Ukrainian. It is the longstanding ENGLISH name that readers will still encounter. --User:Khajidha (talk) (contributions) 03:05, 4 February 2024 (UTC)

"Kyiv" spelling/pronunciation is the newspeak. It has not been used historically. 5.227.28.236 (talk) 04:39, 3 May 2024 (UTC)

Right where it says in brackets of the article “(also spelled Kiev)”, can that tiny bit (at least) be updated to “(also spelled as Kiev)”? 🙂 (It only makes better sense that way). Craig Lungren (talk) 20:22, 6 June 2024 (UTC)

claimed 100k population - not one of the largest in the world

"Before Bogolyubsky's pillaging, Kyiv had had a reputation as one of the largest cities in the world, with a population exceeding 100,000 at the beginning of the 12th century" - this strikes my as wildly overblown, from looking at the 11th-12th century city sizes list. 100,000 might have been large, for the region (although still considerably smaller than Constantinopole), but nowhere close to "one of the largest cities in the world", as that would have to compete with the likes of Baghdad and large cities in China. 2001:9E8:A344:B700:5070:174:C4AA:ACF4 (talk) 07:52, 23 August 2024 (UTC)

Spelling error in lead section - "ninenteenth"

"Coming under Lithuania, then Poland and then Russia, the city would grow from a frontier market into an important center of Orthodox learning in the sixteenth century, and later of industry, commerce, and administration by the ninenteenth." Forvana (talk) 23:48, 24 August 2024 (UTC)

@Forvana: Fixed. Thanks. Newyorkbrad (talk) 23:57, 24 August 2024 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 26 September 2024

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Change demographics GDP title from | demographics1_title1 = Total

To

| demographics1_title1 = Capital city and city with special status 90.131.45.91 (talk) 02:36, 26 September 2024 (UTC)

 Not done for now: It's not clear why that's an improvement over the current formatting, especially in a narrow infobox. – macaddct1984 16:35, 1 October 2024 (UTC)

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