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| ==Autobiographical articles== | |||
| maybe a stupid question i'm not sure, but i found this list before of articles that didn't have npov because they were written by the subject of the article (i.e. autobiographical). My question is does anyone know where this list is located? Thanks in advance.] 11:15, 24 September 2007 (UTC) | |||
| :See ]. You are welcome to investigate the items there and to make edits to the list if needed. This list is also kept on the ] as the first item. If a possible COI needs more eyes on it, open a report at ] and ask for input. ] 15:51, 24 September 2007 (UTC) | |||
| thanks for your help, but this was not exactly what i was looking for it was a category page with autobiographical articles marked for deletion. I still can't find it anywhere. To be honest i only wanted to look at it because i find these articles quite amusing <small>—Preceding ] comment added by ] (] • ]) 09:20, 26 September 2007 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> | |||
| :You want ]. This is where pages go that are marked with the 'db-bio' speedy deletion tag. While reviewing this category, you could perform a public service if you would rescue any article that has been speedy-tagged incorrectly. ] 17:30, 1 October 2007 (UTC) | |||
| == paul addis bio == | |||
| I wrote a *very* carefully neutral 2-paragraph bio of Paul Addis about 3 weeks ago. Its apparently been deleted and I can find no trace of talk or information as to why. no courtesy notice on my home talk page or anything. | |||
| does anyone have any clue as to what happened? or can suggest to me a method of finding such? (I've tried extensively) | |||
| does wikipedia not provide for any notice to an author when a page s/he wrote has been deleted? (did I miss something important?) | |||
| thanks for your help. | |||
| jvol ] 23:42, 28 September 2007 (UTC) | |||
| :Haven't you checked the log yet? And, as you can see from ], you had from 30th Aug to 2nd Sep to contribute. Did you not view the article at all during this time or see it on your watchlist? '''''] ]''''' 00:28, 29 September 2007 (UTC) | |||
| :There was also an extensive which endorsed the deletion. ] 21:58, 1 October 2007 (UTC) | |||
| == Disruption and possible Harassment == | |||
| i've already opened a large number of cases regarding ] and i feel a bit self conscience regarding the opening of another about other users. | |||
| '''comment''' - i'm finding this editor's commentary disruptive and borderline ]. not sure on where to go from here though. | |||
| ===background=== | |||
| # http://en.wikipedia.org/User_talk:Eleland#incivility | |||
| # http://en.wikipedia.org/Talk:Battle_of_Jenin/Archive_4#April_6 | |||
| # http://en.wikipedia.org/User_talk:Jaakobou#Deletion_.28archival.29_of_live_thread -> | |||
| ===current issue=== | |||
| http://en.wikipedia.org/Talk:Battle_of_Jenin#second_para_again | |||
| ===Comments=== | |||
| I don't see the issue. It looks like you two have tangled before with questionable conduct from both sides. You are both long term editors who must be used to some passionate disagreements in the topics where you participate. If you can't take the heat get out of the kitchen. Shake it off and move-on --] 11:20, 29 September 2007 (UTC) | |||
| :], could you please point out what parts of my conduct are questionable? <b><font face="Arial" color="teal">]</font><font color="1F860E"><sup>'']''</sup></font></b> 12:26, 29 September 2007 (UTC) | |||
| ::* This is really much ado about nothing. I was not specifically looking for flaws in your behavior, I was more focused on your complaint about the actions of the other editor, and analyzing his behavior. From what I remember in reviewing the sections you referenced: (1) you selectively archived from the talk page of a contentious topic which may have distorted the perception of readers joining the discussion, and (2) you seem to have a hair trigger about claiming incivility, which is counter productive. In your request above you even admit being "self conscience" about bringing up this issue. Your instincts are correct. I'm not saying that the other person is blameless, but I do think this is overly dramatic. The world is a tough place, and this is among the tougher places for timid souls, rightly or wrongly. It seems to me that you should contact this person away from the contentious article and try to develop a person to person relationship. WP editors are part of the same team; the goal should be writing a superior encyclopedia, not winning every POV battle. Maybe you should seek a ] on the matter at hand. --] 16:49, 29 September 2007 (UTC) | |||
| ::: I would suggest that in the future Keven, that you don't make claims like that without backing them up. Lets try to build an encyclopedia here. —— ''']'''</font><sup>]</sup> 18:33, 29 September 2007 (UTC) | |||
| :::: Actually Eagle I did back up my assertion and believe that neither party is blameless. Please read through the talk pages of that mess of Jenin. It is highly contentious from both sides and the complaining editor has run afoul of several other contributors. I think if there is a pattern there may be a problem. What is your beef with me? --] 18:42, 30 September 2007 (UTC) | |||
| :::::], just because a certain article brings out the worst out of some editors who cannot remain civil or reasnably neutral, does not automatically turn some blame in my direction. this user has at one point joined in with one of these "seveal other contributors" on the accusation that i might be a war criminal, trolling around wikipedia revising history (it's mentioned on the incivility notices). your statement was both false and upsetting and to top it off, you've managed to remove all validity from my fairly well presented public notice with a mere swing of a key. so thank you for all three. <b><font face="Arial" color="teal">]</font><font color="1F860E"><sup>'']''</sup></font></b> 19:36, 30 September 2007 (UTC) | |||
| :::::: Well if you have a case for this, then you should prepare a better supported presentation. I did not find the sections which you cited above as compelling. I think that your statement:''"you've managed to remove all validity from my fairly well presented public notice with a mere swing of a key"'' is evidence that you have a tendancy toward overly dramatic sensitivity. --] 19:47, 30 September 2007 (UTC) | |||
| :::::::], you don't have to admit that you've made a judgment error, however, it is never helpful to insist on a point when it's clear that it is a false one - ''"What is your beef with me?"'' perhaps you are the one who's overly dramatic and sensitive? <b><font face="Arial" color="teal">]</font><font color="1F860E"><sup>'']''</sup></font></b> 00:41, 1 October 2007 (UTC) | |||
| ::::::::I have to largely agree with Kevin's points here. Firstly, we can't be expected to comment on stuff which you didn't mention and link to. If there are further examples then that's unfortunate but we can't be expected to use them in our analysis if they're not linked to. Also, there was some unfortunate behaviour on both sides (unfortunate doesn't mean against policy, it just means the behaviour was likely counterproductive in achieving consensus, peace and civility). It appears that you selectively archived the talk page and you also appear to be perhaps a little too quick to accuse others of incivility etc. You obviously have a history with this editor but even if his behaviour is as bad as you say it is, it doesn't mean you have to throw accusations around immedietly. It's far better most of the time to ignore the occasinal borderline comment and hope the editor calms down and reacts more rationally in the future. BTW, whether any of this behaviour on either side was accidental or had a sinister purpose doesn't really matter, best just assume good faith. And which side was 'worse' doesn't really matter. Consider whether you agree that your behaviour is unlikely to have helped. If you do, then perhaps this drop this for now and try to think of ways to handle the situation in the future. For example, if you archive a page in good faith but inadvertently archive in a way which can be considered selective then simply apologise and ignore any incivility and also take on board what went wrong with the archival. Perhaps consider asking people if it's okay to use a bot (although bots may archive out of order which can also be a problem in some instance) instead. If a editor makes a slightly incivil comments, perhaps ignore the issue for a few minutes or longer so that you don't overeact. Don't get me wrong, I sometimes react too quickly and in a counterproductive manner. It can be hard particularly when we have an unpleasant history with an editor. But I think it's important to acknowledge that even if a reaction is understandable, it doesn't mean it's a good idea. ] 11:43, 3 October 2007 (UTC) | |||
| :Firstly, I would have appreciated a notification of this complaint when it was made. Secondly, I acknowledge having made incivil comments towards this user on several occasions, and have already apologized, an apology which I understood at the time to have been accepted. Aside from that, I cannot discern what this is about, or why it was appropriate to bring it here without contacting me. Enlighten me if you can. <tt><]/]]</b>></tt> 21:14, 30 September 2007 (UTC) | |||
| ::yes, was remarkably apologetic to the point where it seemed more like your intent was for it to be a "sophisticated" insult. <b><font face="Arial" color="teal">]</font><font color="1F860E"><sup>'']''</sup></font></b> 00:35, 1 October 2007 (UTC) | |||
| *'''Comment - this looks very much like an outrageous abuse of process''' by an editor who systematically harrasses others. I'm not the worst victim (as he claims above) by any means - perhaps he's just trying to "poison the well" against what I'm going to tell you next: | |||
| *] has a long history of harrassment of people on their TalkPages. 6 months ago (he's only been here just over a year!) he was doing it to two admins. He was taken to the and blocked for it. Two more admins took up the case, eventually letting ] off with these warnings ''"If Jaakobou is promising to mend his ways and only crap in the litter box in future (metaphorically speaking...) I think he should be given the chance to prove his sincerity."'' and ''"The important thing is to see a change in behaviour and it is clear now that Jaakoubou is apologizing, explaining and promising not to do so in the future"''. | |||
| *That particular case of harrassment on TalkPages only exploded because he'd been monstrously harrassing two other editors, including publishing the personal details of one of them, see and . | |||
| *I'm not the kind of person to make official complaints against others, I'll wait for someone else to express it in perhaps more temperate terms than I'm capable of. But the next time this editor goes too far and is brought up before his peers, I think we'll discover he's done almost nothing other than damage articles and drive good editors out of the project. The list of the latter alone probably runs to double figures by now. ]<sup><small>]</small></sup> 13:55, 6 October 2007 (UTC) | |||
| ===Not a good place for this issue=== | |||
| :Lengthy disputes about civility don't belong on this page, in my opinion. Consider following the steps of ]. Or ask ] for advice on the next step, since he is an admin who has commented at ]. ] 17:54, 1 October 2007 (UTC) | |||
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| Thanks! ] 19:06, 30 September 2007 (UTC) | |||
| == Encountering blank Image pages == | |||
| If I encounter an Image page which has nothing on it, is it more important that I tag it with <nowiki>{{no source}}</nowiki> or <nowiki>{{no license}}</nowiki>? ] 21:23, 1 October 2007 (UTC) | |||
| :I'd say {{tl|no source}} is more important, but that's very subjective :) There is no need to choose: see {{tl|no source no license}} (and its dated version, {{tls|nsnld}}). ]<sup>]</sup> <span title="Misplaced Pages:Village pump (assistance)">§</span> 21:53, 1 October 2007 (UTC) | |||
| ::Sweet. Thanks, Gracenotes, I didn't know about that. ] 21:59, 1 October 2007 (UTC) | |||
| == ] == | |||
| Hello, i work a lot on Misplaced Pages fr, and Commons, and someone just upload this image on Commons. This image is very nice, but can we trust the user ? I search it on google and i find nothing. I dont know if i must add a {{t1|nsd}} or not. Thanks to take a look at this image, and his copy on Commons (under the same name). ] 10:25, 2 October 2007 (UTC) | |||
| == Multiple cleanup template == | |||
| Hey. I'm blanking right now, and I can't find it anywhere; what is the template for multiple cleanup templates? — ] <span style="font-size: .7em;">] · ] ]</span> 13:56, 2 October 2007 (UTC) | |||
| :You might be looking for {{tl|articleissues}} which is one of those listed at ]. ] 14:54, 2 October 2007 (UTC) | |||
| ::Ah, that's it. Must've glossed over that one. Thanks! — ] <span style="font-size: .7em;">] · ] ]</span> 15:02, 2 October 2007 (UTC) | |||
| == Template vandalism == | |||
| ] shows "philip is so cooollllll" as the first line. The text isn't on the page, so I suspect template vandalism, but it's not on any of the templates on that page either. I'm confused. '''<font color="#FE474B">♥</font> ]]]''' 20:45, 2 October 2007 (UTC) | |||
| :Somebody else has fixed it but it was vandalism in ]. ] 21:16, 2 October 2007 (UTC) | |||
| ::That would explain it. Thanks :) '''<font color="#FE474B">♥</font> ]]]''' 22:23, 2 October 2007 (UTC) | |||
| == Need confirmation of phrase in web page == | |||
| An editor can't seem to find the phrase ''"to report for a flight physical not later than May 14"'' in the text at . You might check how many seconds it takes you to find the phrase, then help reassure the editor whether or not the phrase is indeed there at: '']''. Thank you. (] 15:37, 3 October 2007 (UTC)) | |||
| :Tell him to use Control+F. Should take him all of two seconds. '''''] ]''''' 17:27, 3 October 2007 (UTC) | |||
| ::Whether he's doing a Search or not, it's taking him days to find the phrase. (] 20:01, 3 October 2007 (UTC)) | |||
| ::Yup, he still can't find the phrase. Can someone help him confirm whether it is there or not? (] 18:06, 4 October 2007 (UTC)) | |||
| :::I didn't even have to use CTRL+F, it was one of the first ones I noticed as soon as the page loaded. 4th paragraph and the line appears almost right above my browser's status bar. I'd say he's probably deliberately not finding the phrase, especially considering the back and forth going on about the article under discussion. ] 18:30, 4 October 2007 (UTC) | |||
| ::::Done. It seems like he's just trying to be difficult. I see he's had some run-ins with the admins before... — ] <span style="font-size: .7em;">] · ] ]</span> 18:31, 4 October 2007 (UTC) | |||
| ::::: Yup. And he's threatened flood the page with stuff and that this is some sort of battle front. (] 15:42, 5 October 2007 (UTC)) | |||
| : Those of you who found the above phrase are invited to mention it in '']''. The editor now remembers that I actually was using a different phrase, thus I must have changed the above phrase in the Misplaced Pages database. If your memories fit the above phrase it would be appreciated to have a report that your memory matches what Misplaced Pages is displaying. (] 22:17, 5 October 2007 (UTC)) | |||
| :: Umm...we're not talking about the phrase "appearing" in the article, we're talking about your Wiki article entry attributing a quote by Killian to Campenni and your refusing to rephrase it (this last little "business" not quite counting....) Whatever, let's see what some poking around shows.... -BC aka ] 22:42, 5 October 2007 (UTC) | |||
| ==Pages Created== | |||
| How can I see a list of pages which I created? Is there a userbox for it?] 20:05, 3 October 2007 (UTC) | |||
| : I see ] has a username field. (] 20:09, 3 October 2007 (UTC)) | |||
| ::It will only show very recent creations, though. '''''] ]''''' 21:35, 3 October 2007 (UTC) | |||
| == How to add to the list of languages supported by the <source> tag? == | |||
| The '''source''' tag currently supports the following languages: | |||
| actionscript, ada, apache, applescript, asm, asp, autoit, bash, blitzbasic, bnf, c, | |||
| c_mac, caddcl, cadlisp, cfdg, cfm, cpp, cpp-qt, csharp, css, d, delphi, diff, div, | |||
| dos, eiffel, fortran, freebasic, gml, groovy, html4strict, idl, ini, inno, io, java, | |||
| java5, javascript, latex, lisp, lua, matlab, mirc, mpasm, mysql, nsis, objc, ocaml, | |||
| ocaml-brief, oobas, oracle8, pascal, perl, php, php-brief, plsql, python, qbasic, | |||
| rails, reg, robots, ruby, sas, scheme, sdlbasic, smalltalk, smarty, sql, tcl, text, | |||
| thinbasic, tsql, vb, vbnet, vhdl, visualfoxpro, winbatch, xml, xpp, z80 | |||
| This is hopelessly insufficient (!), so how does one add to the list? ] 11:49, 4 October 2007 (UTC) | |||
| :More can be added when, well, more are coded :) Syntax highlighting is done by the ] library (). MediaWiki uses CSS to customize GeSHi with ]. If you want to help add more languages and are familiar with PHP, you can look at the to make syntax highlighting files for other languages. If not, you can probably make a request for a language on the GeSHi website. ]<sup>]</sup> <span title="Misplaced Pages:Village pump (assistance)">§</span> 18:59, 4 October 2007 (UTC) | |||
| == Copyright on TV test patterns? == | |||
| I'm wondering what the correct license tag would be for TV test patterns? Have a look at one I've uploaded . I uploaded it with a fair use rationale and license, but I think it may actually be <nowiki>{{PD-US-no notice}}</nowiki>? There's no copyright notice on it and it is the actual test pattern, not a recreation. ] 14:02, 4 October 2007 (UTC) | |||
| == Possible ] problem and content dispute == | |||
| I'd like some outside parties to take a look at ] and the parent article. The article '''to me''' reeks of fansite and advertisement; but every time it gets tagged the "owners" fix it the way they want. Am I being too harsh? The darn thing looks '''to me''' like a long ad for the excellence of this wonderful, saintlike figure of knifesmithery, and I want to make sure I'm not jaundiced against it/him somehow. --] 16:28, 4 October 2007 (UTC) | |||
| == ] in dire need of contributors == | |||
| After a period of extensive reorganisation, ] (SBS) are ready to adopt a more serious attitude on the ongoing struggle for the improvement of this encyclopaedia. With improved templates, a new set of guidelines, and enhanced structures, we shall attempt to fine-tune our template system and provide even more detailed instructions for all those who want to help perfect articles by fixing those useful little boxes at their bottom. And, of course, fixing the boxes themselves in an organised and controlled manner is also one of SBS's aims. | |||
| As all active WikiProjects, SBS is too in constant need of contributors. Furthermore, this specific project not only requires the presence of a certain number of people in order to approve policy and do proper editing work, but has most unfortunately been suffering from chronic understaffing. The danger of SBS coming to a grinding halt is a very real one, and thus the necessity for participants is even more pronounced and urgent than in other similar cases. | |||
| If you are yourself interested in succession boxes, all you have to do is visit our project's ] and have a look around; if you know someone who would like to help, tell them about us. There are tasks for everyone: the more knowledgeable in HTML may want to help refine the templates, while others may have more ideas about formatting guidelines or defining categorisation criteria, which will be discussed in our ]. And updating and improving the thousands of succession boxes across the mainspace is something everyone can do. You need not be experienced; you can learn whatever you need by reading our help pages. And if you have any questions, we will be glad to answer them. | |||
| So, if you decide that you want to contribute more actively, you may join our cause and share some of our workload. Remember: the more we are, the faster we shall progress, and the higher our work's quality will be! ], <small>]</small> 18:39, 4 October 2007 (UTC) | |||
| :I will probably help out as and when I have time, since the Wikiprojects with which I am involved often use succession boxes. I will post a note for the other members as well. '''''] ]''''' 01:25, 6 October 2007 (UTC) | |||
| == ] re-write== | |||
| I need some help in re-writing the template at ] to where it supports more than 10 quotes from ]. ] created LGBT/Quotetemp but said he copied it from another Portal. He said the template only supports up to 10 quotes. I haven't a clue how to do this. Any help would be greatly appreciated. -- ] ] 20:23, 4 October 2007 (UTC) | |||
| == Subject with more than one definition == | |||
| I am considering improving the article on wheatgrass. However there is more than one defintion of wheatgrass and I think there should be more than one article on it. There are many different wheatgrass plants that fall under the grass (Poaceae) family. However, there is also wheatgrass defined as the indoor planting of wheatberry seeds in 2 inches of soil for approximately 10 days. The young wheatgrass plants are juiced for consumption and is related only in the sense that it is a member of the grass family. None of the other wheatgrasses are commonly juiced for consumption. <small>—Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 16:45, 5 October 2007 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> | |||
| : Add sections to the article for each type of wheatgrass. If a section for one type gets too large then you or someone might split it off to another article. This is not a paper encyclopedia and articles also don't have to fit on a single page. Start adding material and see where the article goes. (] 16:57, 5 October 2007 (UTC)) | |||
| == Biographies of Fictional Characters == | |||
| I'm having a bit of trouble conceptualizing what is appropriate or not for articles on fictional characters from TV shows. The article that specifically brings me here is ]. How much detail is acceptable? When does recounting episode appearances in great detail turn into ]? I've looked at ] and ] as well as ]. I guess part of what bothers me is the lack of reliable sources in this particular article. I feel reluctant to rain on a fan's parade but this seems excessively original. I'd like thoughts and pointers to guidelines relevant to the situation. I'm not asking anyone to take on the article, I just want general feedback on situations like this one. ]]</font></sup> 20:01, 5 October 2007 (UTC) | |||
| == Not exactly vandalism == | |||
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| See the page ] (). The content that's | |||
| there obviously doesn't belong there, but assuming that what it says is correct, someone | |||
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| generated, this leads to the possibility that there are other pages with the same sort | |||
| of errors. Hopefully someone more experienced than me will know how best to proceed. Me, I spent half an hour at Culoz station changing trains once, and that's the limit of my acquaintance with the place. -- ] 01:04, 6 October 2007 (UTC) | |||
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| :They should have posted to the talk page, so I just pasted their comments over. I have not fixed the errors to which they alluded, since I know nothing about the subject. '''''] ]''''' 01:22, 6 October 2007 (UTC) | |||
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