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| Just out of curiousity, what is the reason for the Denny Crane part of your signature? Is it the Denny Crane played by William Shatner in Boston Legal? Why does it link to WP:Climbing? Most sigs link to contrib or talk pages so yours surprised me. ] 05:01, 23 October 2007 (UTC) | |||
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| ::Same Denny Crane as played by Shatner. It's probably my favorite TV show ever, and he's my favorite character. As for WP:CLIMB, I founded the wikiproject. My sig does link to my talk page, it just has problems linking properly in some browsers. ] ] ] 19:31, 23 October 2007 (UTC) | |||
| |style="font-size: x-large; padding: 0; vertical-align: middle; height: 1.1em;" | '''My RFA''' | |||
| :::FYI: for me, the arrow links to your user page, but SWATJester comes in as black and gold but doesn't show as a link. Denny's fine. (I'm on Firefox.) The arrow gets me close enough though. <strong>] </strong>|<small>]</small> 19:39, 23 October 2007 (UTC) | |||
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| ::::I'm in the same boat. My sig is supposed to send the "SWATJester" part of my sig to my talk, but doesn't for some reason.] ] ] 19:42, 23 October 2007 (UTC) | |||
| |style="vertical-align: middle; border-top: 1px solid gray;" | Thanks for participating in ], which ended with 56 supports, one oppose, and one neutral. I hope to accomplish beyond what is expected of me and work to help those that lent me their trust. ] | |||
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| == Kilogram == | |||
| Let’s not have a battle on this one. These issues have been ''thoroughly'' discussed and no one else agrees with him. His placing of the “dispute” tag is beyond reason and other editors have told him so. Don’t let him hoodwink you. ] (''])'' 17:46, 25 October 2007 (UTC) | |||
| ::I fail to see how you removing fact tags that he placed, without any reasoning why or filling in of sources is within reason. I also fail to see how claiming he is hoodwinking me assumes good faith. ]] ] 21:22, 25 October 2007 (UTC) | |||
| == re: indenting == | |||
| I agree completely with what you are saying. Your first example is indented correctly to show what responds to what. I would not change it. Your second example indicates a completely different order of replies and who is replying to whom. If I make a change I will be careful to preserve the structure. You are correct to worry about the possibility and to try to prevent an error before it occurs. BTW, do you prefer that users reply on your page as I am now, or to reply on my page below your comment? Either way is okay with me, but I like to conform to the other party's preference. ] 21:58, 25 October 2007 (UTC) | |||
| ::It doesn't matter too much to me. I prefer it on my page, so I get a notice about it, but I check my watchlist at least 30 times a day (no joke) so I'd see it on your page either way. ]] ] 22:00, 25 October 2007 (UTC) | |||
| == RFA nom == | |||
| Hello. I appreciate the offer however I don't think it's a good idea right now. I'm involved in some pretty sticky articles attempting to improve them and I tend to get on the wrong side of people in the process, if you know what I mean. I've been working on ], ], and ] some of the most disputed articles on the project. In the process of improving them, even the most civil and restrained editors tend to make a lot of enemies by default. Though most of the time a lot of editors who show hostility towards me during the rewrites appreciate the work done in the end, during the process a few tend to hold animosity toward me, and even a few do after the articles are fixed and are GAs or FAs. In the foreseeable future it's only going to get worse as I'm taking on ], which will no doubt cause a swarm of hostility towards me when that hornets nest is turned upside down. The most likely scenario is that I would get a lot of oppositions from editors from past and current article rewrites who hold resentment towards me for one reason or another, which would in turn lead to even more oppositions from editors just taking a glance at the other oppositions and opposing based on that, generally without reading them. You know, the whole "Oppose per above" comment from people opposing on a glance just to get more RFA counts. So I'm going to have to turn down your offer. I just don't believe that any request for adminship on my part would possibly succeed, at least at this time. Thanks anyway though. ] <sup>]</sup> 02:49, 26 October 2007 (UTC) | |||
| == Re: admin nom == | |||
| I actually appreciate you for considering nominating me for RfA. I've thought about it, and since in the past couple days I resolved the only remaining conflict I have had with another user, I think that now would be a good time for me to make my first attempt. If you'd like, you can submit the nomination for me, and I'll accept it and answer the questions and all that stuff. Thank you, ''']'''<small>]</small> 03:56, 26 October 2007 (UTC) | |||
| :Alright, thank you very much. I accepted the nomination and answered the other questions, and if you would like to take whatever extra procedures are necessary for the RfA, I'd greatly appreciate it. Thanks, ''']'''<small>]</small> 05:32, 26 October 2007 (UTC) | |||
| ::I added my RfA to ], so I don't think anything else needs to do. Thanks one more time for the nomination. ''']'''<small>]</small> 06:13, 26 October 2007 (UTC) | |||
| Could you please withdraw my nomination? ], and I also wanted to go through with it for feedback, which I've gotten. I've no need for it anymore, so could you please close it for me? Don't worry; I'll still try again later. Thanks again for the support. I'll let you know when I'd like to try one more time. ''']'''<small>]</small> 01:20, 27 October 2007 (UTC) | |||
| :Looks like Swatjester is done for the night so I've closed it. —] (]) 02:55, 27 October 2007 (UTC) | |||
| ::Thank you for closing it for me, Wknight, but I do have something to say about your comment. You say that Chris was the one who ended the dispute, not me. That's because you told me not to talk to him. I was going to discuss this with him after his block expired, but you told me not to try to make peace with him. So how else could I try to end the dispute if you told me not to try? ''']'''<small>]</small> 16:33, 27 October 2007 (UTC) | |||
| == RfA nom == | |||
| Wow - thanks for the thought. I'll have a think about it and get back to you at some point next week - I'm not going to be around much for the next couple of days from home, and WP is blocked at work at present because too many rude words in articles have triggered the pornography filters! Regardless of whether I say yes or not, I am deeply honoured that you think I'm up to the task. Regards, ]] 04:44, 26 October 2007 (UTC) | |||
| == Why you should support me.... == | |||
| I've got a proven record of vandalfighting without being overzealous about it, and I know WP policies very well because of the time I've spent here learning about how WP works. I'm willing to contribute in lots of different areas; I will often comment on ANI if I think I have something of value to say, or find things to look into from ANI. I do a lot of the "dirty and thankless"-type jobs: I RFCU clerk, I worked on COI for a bit, and I have spent some time on XfDs and article creation. Some of the reasons people wouldn't support me are because of my supposed article specialization, but I have plenty of contribs to other things besides Freemasonry-related articles. I've revamped the entire ] article and cat, reorganized the cats under ], and cleaned up quite a few band articles as best I could. There was a Jarmann rifle article I was asked to copyedit and did (I forget what it was - ] will know), and I've also done things per League of Copyeditors request on a town in the UK. I don't track these things; I just do them in order to make WP better, and because I want to do them, and I think as far as adminship goes, I don't want it to have some sort of status, but rather because it will help me do things better on WP, and contribute better in different areas that require admins to clear backlogs. | |||
| In short, I think I ''do have'' the range of WP knowledge and breadth of WP experience to be an effective administrator and the maturity not to be heavy-handed or abusive about it. ] 05:38, 26 October 2007 (UTC) | |||
| ==Re:RfA nom== | |||
| Hi, I thank you for the offer. I accept your nomination. What would the next step be? Just out curiousity, what made you want to nominate me? Thanks! --<small>'''<span style="border:4px solid #484848; background:#828282;">]</span>'''</small> 09:41, 26 October 2007 (UTC) | |||
| :Hi, have you started the nomination page? Thanks! --<small>'''<span style="border:4px solid #484848; background:#828282;">]</span>'''</small> 22:19, 26 October 2007 (UTC) | |||
| Yep, while you were typing that, in fact. My kittens distracted me for a bit, but it's up now.]] ] 22:26, 26 October 2007 (UTC) | |||
| :Thanks for the nomination. I am logging off now but will be sure to complete it tommorow morning. --<small>'''<span style="border:4px solid #484848; background:#828282;">]</span>'''</small> 22:30, 26 October 2007 (UTC) | |||
| ::Don't forget to put it on the RFA page when you're finished. ]] ] 22:31, 26 October 2007 (UTC) | |||
| == Re:RfA nom == | |||
| Um, my first one failed 0-6 - with many critical comments. I have also been blocked once under a different name. I'm not sure I'm ready. I can give you names of my comrads here and get their opinions.<big>]</big><small>]</small>32<sup>]</sup> 10:13, 26 October 2007 (UTC) | |||
| == Re: Rfa Nom == | |||
| Thanks I accept, since you appear to be offline I'll start the rfa page and you can add your nom statement when your online. --<span style="border:1px solid Red;padding:1px;">] ] </span> 10:24, 26 October 2007 (UTC) | |||
| == RFA nomination offer == | |||
| I have responded at ]. Thanks. ] 11:32, 26 October 2007 (UTC) | |||
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| == ] restored == | |||
| Concerning your , while prudent and needed for the project, there is no ], so you should probably oversight and revamp your edit summary. ] 13:55, 26 October 2007 (UTC) | |||
| This article has been restored after its deletion was contested. As you nominated the article to be deleted via ], you may wish to nominate the article for a full deletion discussion at ]. ] (]) 11:39, 30 November 2007 (UTC) | |||
| ::Greg Kohs is well known to the foundation, and uses his real name on Misplaced Pages review. I don't see a need to do it. Considering he has many sockpuppets and I don't remember which is the name of the original one, it's easier to just identify it that way.]] ] 17:47, 26 October 2007 (UTC) | |||
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| Goodness! Heh, I did not see that one coming! Well, sure, and thank you very much! ≈ ] <small><u>]</u></small> 20:07, 26 October 2007 (UTC) | |||
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== Your comment at the Arbcom vote == | ||
| Hi Swatjester - You made a curious comment on your ArbCom vote. I expected that many users would regard my lack of logged-in editing as a negative (to be honest, I have no expectation of being elected, chiefly for this reason). However your comment "seems out of touch with today's Misplaced Pages" completely caught me by surprise. If you have the time I'd be grateful if you could explain how you came to that opinion. Cheers ] 04:55, 3 December 2007 (UTC) | |||
| Why are you nominating so many editors for admin? It seems that at least some of them have an unlikely chance of succeeding, so why have you been nominating so many in the past day or two? ] <sup>]</sup> 01:24, 27 October 2007 (UTC) | |||
| ::Because we need more admins. I nominate people who I believe would do a good job, not who I believe can pass the RFA. If they pass the RFA, good. If not, they know what to do next time. But we currently have a promotion rate of approximately one admin per day (350 a year or so), slightly over that. We need to double that, especially since anon page creation was just enabled. ]] ] 04:07, 27 October 2007 (UTC) | |||
| I agree with you, Swatjester; we do need more admins. You've nominated some very promising future admins. Keep it up, — ]<small>(])</small> 17:48, 27 October 2007 (UTC) | |||
| ::Since when was anon-page creations enabled? Can you provide a link to the relevant discussion page? Thanks. --] ] 04:31, 28 October 2007 (UTC) | |||
| ::::See village pump policy, and Wiki-EN-L mailing list. ]] ] 05:30, 28 October 2007 (UTC) | |||
| :"I nominate people who I believe would do a good job, not who I believe can pass the RFA" - Good, keep doing that. Even if some may not be good candidates and some may not be ideal unanimous-support candidates, it's worth it. - ]] ] 05:27, 28 October 2007 (UTC) | |||
| ::Plus, it teaches them more than an editor review will about the actual process. ]] ] 05:30, 28 October 2007 (UTC) | |||
| Ah - that was more to do with using IRC :) I haven't used IRC in over six years and couldn't remember the conventions, and was also clueless on Misplaced Pages IRC customs. I am also fairly ignorant as to the inner technicalities of MediaWiki (which is unlikely to change) and my problem was to do with userids and historical data. It even took Tim Starling a while to figure it all out, so I didn't feel too dumb in the end. But thanks for your reply - appreciated. Cheers ] 05:09, 3 December 2007 (UTC) | |||
| ==Take a break from editing?== | |||
| == Nishidani block == | |||
| Why would you think I need a break from editing, uploading non-free images perhaps would be understandable (even for those; however, I provide detailed explanation and were supposed to be qualified as fair use under United States copyright law and were, at least up until now). My deal with "High on a tree" is that he removed the images days before the expected deletion dates read. Is that not considered vandalism, should not one have the right to provide/add explanation for non-free rationale until the last day the tag reads?--] 05:48, 27 October 2007 (UTC) | |||
| I didn't follow the case but I think he is upset by all this stuff and particularly by the endless disputes around the Arab-Israeli conflict related articles...<br/> | |||
| == Re: We don't agree == | |||
| Don't worry for that and have a nice day ;-) ] 11:29, 3 December 2007 (UTC) | |||
| ::Much appreciated, thanks. ]] ] 12:09, 3 December 2007 (UTC) | |||
| We seem not to see eye to eye based on the comments of Wikidudeman above in your recent relentless RfA nominations for some candidates that really don't appear ready. The most recent withdrawl by a candidate with a recent history of incivilty whom you described as "civil" in your nom being a case in point. In addition I recall an ANI thread where you accused me of being in error and alowing myself to be trolled when this was clearly not the case (over a clear sock blanking parts of the RFB process). However this is an aside, as I believe your RfA for ChrisG to be wise, and I certainly hold no personal animosity - I just often don't agree with your views on things when I've seen them expressed. That of course can be positive, as consensus bulding and editors holding different views is what strengthens this work. I certainly wish you well and look forward to collaborating with you. Very Best. <small><span style="border:1px solid #0000ff;padding:1px;">] : ] </span></small> 13:30, 27 October 2007 (UTC) | |||
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== userpage == | ||
| Your userpage is possibly the greatest thing I've ever seen in my life. what's the chance you'd give me permission to steal it and format it for myself, considering I am a HUGE addict to a social networking site the page bears a striking resemblence in my imagination to?]] ] 12:43, 3 December 2007 (UTC) | |||
| I have posted a request at ] to have this users talk page protected. Thought i would let you know. ] 04:38, 28 October 2007 (UTC) | |||
| : Go ahead. Provided you don't also steal my friends! Or my barnstars – ] (]) 14:03, 3 December 2007 (UTC) | |||
| == Block == | |||
| All the articles I have started were mass deleted. ] 04:55, 28 October 2007 (UTC) | |||
| : Also, if it really is the greatest thing you've seen in your life, you need to get out more. You can start by looking at ] – there's a whole world out there! :) – ] (]) 14:04, 3 December 2007 (UTC) | |||
| == ANI Notice == | |||
| == Confusing comment == | |||
| {{ANI-notice}} ] 05:18, 28 October 2007 (UTC) | |||
| :I appreciate you taking part in the discussion, i (for the most part) did not think you did wrong, but do to the fact that there were multiple regular users who disagreed with your action and the fact that a wikipedian (Jeeny) decided to leave, i thought it best to have some kind of mediation/ANI discussion about it. Thank you again! ] 06:12, 28 October 2007 (UTC) | |||
| "I'm very glad you posted the email, it was the right thing. Unfortunately, that would be unacceptable for an arbitrator." | |||
| == ANI Question == | |||
| Are you saying that doing the right thing is unacceptable? Or that you don't trust his judgement on what ''is'' the right thing, even though he got it right this time? —] 14:25, 3 December 2007 (UTC) | |||
| "As picaroon said, we shouldn't punish other users by protecting the page just because these twothree can't play nice. " | |||
| ::No. I believe that posting the email was the right thing for him to do. However, posting private emails, while the right thing to do maybe for a user, is absolutely unacceptable as an arbitrator. So he did the right thing, but because the right thing involved doing something that indicates a lack of trust for sensitive material, I cannot support him for arbcom; even though his actions have greatly raised my respect level for him. ]] ] 21:12, 3 December 2007 (UTC) | |||
| So are you willing to unprotect the page now? - ] 06:01, 28 October 2007 (UTC) | |||
| :Thanks for your comments in all of this by the way. I hope to have a successful RfA sometime in the future so I am trying to get involved in these things, and it gets somewhat chaotic. - ] 06:05, 28 October 2007 (UTC) | |||
| Unprotected. I hope, however, you can view the changes that Jeeny made and see how they are more than just spelling and grammar changes, and actually change the meaning and context of the sentences. The fact that the changes were disputed reinforces how contentious they were. ]] ] 06:08, 28 October 2007 (UTC) | |||
| :Some of them were. I agree that some did change meaning, but some edits were strictly spelling and grammar. I know those two users have had problems in the past, which I believe, is the reason they were warring. But thanks again. - ] 06:11, 28 October 2007 (UTC) | |||
| ::I disagree with your block of Jeeny, but am not here to contest it. I'm here to comment that I have now seen two blocks this morning of yours which I disagree with. Your block of SchmuckyTheCat was just plain wrong. Reading the ANI discussion, you obviously didn't grasp the situation and got trigger happy. I suggest you research a little more thoroughly before you block in similar situations, and that you perhaps take a break from editing if your irritation level rises to such a point that you think blocking is the best option. That block came across to me as simple abuse of power. ] 07:35, 28 October 2007 (UTC) | |||
| Or you could read the situation again. The block of SchmuckyTheCat was correct. Checkuser could not show a conclusive link between Kowlooner and the banned user. With no conclusive evidence to show that Kowlooner was a banned user, SchmuckyTheCat's edits were against policy. Even if the user WAS banned, they were highly disruptive. I'll ask you next time to do a little more research as to what I "obviously" grasped or did not grasp, and before you give me a lecture make sure you have the facts straight. ]] ] 08:15, 28 October 2007 (UTC) | |||
| == Operation COOKIE MONSTER == | |||
| Hi. The user repeatedly asked you what the point was to block with the page being protected, and I must admit, I, myself, was becoming aggravated upon reading your curt non-responses (and curt block review, it is just too brief). I really am not comfortable with this particular post-block block. When the blocked user is already prone to incivility due to a block, the best thing to do upon an attack is to protect the talk page for a while, not block for longer and leave the page open for potentially more of the same. I am really quite surprised someone with your experience would commit this oversight. I am removing the one-week block extension and am reintroducing the original 48-hr duration. Regards, ] 08:25, 28 October 2007 (UTC) | |||
| {{WikiCookie|In support of Operation COOKIE MONSTER (OCM) I'm presenting WikiCookies in appreciation for ] service to the ]. Happy ]! ] (]) 01:44, 4 July 2008 (UTC)}} | |||
| :Okay, I notice you're active right now, so I'll give a chance to respond before undoing. Regards, ] 08:26, 28 October 2007 (UTC) | |||
| == Request for comment == | |||
| ::El C did you not see the original block, as applied by Picaroon, was valid for 3RR vio? I've now provided three times evidence of the 3rr vio. I could look back for the entire 24 hours and probably find 8 reverts by Jeeny. I unprotected the page (It should not have been protected in the first page). There was no oversight. Jeeny editwarred knowingly, without an attempt of consensus, and given her extensive extensive block history, should have known better. Frankly, I'm quite surprised that you don't see the situation here for what it is. It was a valid block, and the block extension was valid. Jeeny has always been a troublesome contributer, even despite the good edits that she does. After 6 blocks, one should make an attempt to learn what the policy is and not blatantly violate 3RR, especially after having been blocked for it before. No, a block of Jeeny was entirely appropriate, and her response to being shown evidence was entirely inappropriate. There is no excuse, whatsoever, for repeatedly, over three edits, telling someone to fuck off. ]] ] 08:38, 28 October 2007 (UTC) | |||
| Hello there, a proposal regarding pre-adminship review has been raised at Village pump by {{noping|Anna Frodesiak}}. Your comments ] is very much appreciated. Many thanks. ] through ] (]) 06:47, 28 May 2014 (UTC) | |||
| :::That doesn't respond to my argument about treating a blocked user sensitively, which you seemed to have failed to do. ] 08:42, 28 October 2007 (UTC) | |||
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Your comment at the Arbcom vote
Hi Swatjester - You made a curious comment on your ArbCom vote. I expected that many users would regard my lack of logged-in editing as a negative (to be honest, I have no expectation of being elected, chiefly for this reason). However your comment "seems out of touch with today's Misplaced Pages" completely caught me by surprise. If you have the time I'd be grateful if you could explain how you came to that opinion. Cheers Manning 04:55, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
Ah - that was more to do with using IRC :) I haven't used IRC in over six years and couldn't remember the conventions, and was also clueless on Misplaced Pages IRC customs. I am also fairly ignorant as to the inner technicalities of MediaWiki (which is unlikely to change) and my problem was to do with userids and historical data. It even took Tim Starling a while to figure it all out, so I didn't feel too dumb in the end. But thanks for your reply - appreciated. Cheers Manning 05:09, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
Nishidani block
I didn't follow the case but I think he is upset by all this stuff and particularly by the endless disputes around the Arab-Israeli conflict related articles...
Don't worry for that and have a nice day ;-) Ceedjee 11:29, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
- Much appreciated, thanks. ⇒SWATJester 12:09, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
userpage
Your userpage is possibly the greatest thing I've ever seen in my life. what's the chance you'd give me permission to steal it and format it for myself, considering I am a HUGE addict to a social networking site the page bears a striking resemblence in my imagination to?⇒SWATJester 12:43, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
- Go ahead. Provided you don't also steal my friends! Or my barnstars – Gurch (talk) 14:03, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
- Also, if it really is the greatest thing you've seen in your life, you need to get out more. You can start by looking at Commons:Commons:Featured pictures – there's a whole world out there! :) – Gurch (talk) 14:04, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
Confusing comment
"I'm very glad you posted the email, it was the right thing. Unfortunately, that would be unacceptable for an arbitrator."
Are you saying that doing the right thing is unacceptable? Or that you don't trust his judgement on what is the right thing, even though he got it right this time? —Random832 14:25, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
- No. I believe that posting the email was the right thing for him to do. However, posting private emails, while the right thing to do maybe for a user, is absolutely unacceptable as an arbitrator. So he did the right thing, but because the right thing involved doing something that indicates a lack of trust for sensitive material, I cannot support him for arbcom; even though his actions have greatly raised my respect level for him. ⇒SWATJester 21:12, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
Operation COOKIE MONSTER
Request for comment
Hello there, a proposal regarding pre-adminship review has been raised at Village pump by Anna Frodesiak. Your comments here is very much appreciated. Many thanks. Jim Carter through MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 06:47, 28 May 2014 (UTC)