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| :::Because they are about Estonian organists - and there are no notable classical organists in Estonia, especially those who have been ''primarily'' organists. Even ] was mainly composer - and is remembered as such, not as organist (he also played several other instruments, including piano, violin (he is better known as violinist then organist) and guitar, if my memory serves me right). And "classical" organist - inclusion of the genre seems to be extremely arbitrary here. | |||
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| :::I very much think we should apply ] here and avoid ], even if it means contradicting ] - which, by the way, is not a guideline for Misplaced Pages, it is a guideline for a wikiproject. If there are additional articles to be added into those categories, then I am all for keeping those, but like I said, having categories with one entry is just creating pointless clutter and imho should be avoided. Categories are for grouping similar articles and should be used for that, not for telling that someone played organ or flute - that is what articles are for. | |||
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| ::::"Classical" is not arbitrary and I'm puzzled that you think it is - it puts the category into the whole ] structure, with ] being part of the ] scheme, etc. If you remove these categories, then the utility of the overall category structure is greatly diminished. I am fully aware that ] is "merely" a project guideline, not Holy Writ, but its approach has been applied across thousands of categories and tens of thousands of articles. If you disagree with this well-established approach, the onus is on you to take these categories to CFD. It is not up to you to decide that Estonia is to be treated differently. Please undo your category changes, then list ] and ] at CFD for a wider input. Regards, ]] 08:07, 16 November 2007 (UTC) | |||
| :::::Feel free restore the categories if you honestly really think it is useful to Misplaced Pages and its users. I do not see this overcategorization to be useful or needed, as I have patiently explained. -- ] 08:16, 16 November 2007 (UTC) | |||
| ::::::Thank you. I hope I have been equally patient in explaining my viewpoint; if I came over as too harsh in my initial comments, I apologise, but I was concerned when I saw speedy delete tags being applied when the criteria weren't met. Our discussion has assured me that you were acting in good faith in the interests of WP (even though our ideas of how to meet those interests differ...(!)). Regards, and best wishes. ]] 08:26, 16 November 2007 (UTC) | |||
| :::::::I should apologize as well - as an excuse, I have been lately overworked and rather stressed. Thank you for being patient in this discussion, very welcome change from "shoot first and ask questions later" users I have to deal with occasionally. -- ] 08:35, 16 November 2007 (UTC) | |||
| Apology unnecessary. Thanks for your support elsewhere, too - an unexpected bonus! ]] 08:41, 16 November 2007 (UTC) | |||
| :You're welcome. Hopefully you'll enjoy your well-deserved admin tools. -- ] 08:43, 16 November 2007 (UTC) | |||
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| Small edits to the entry for Bill Rebane where undone, using an automated process, these are related to his new blog and to his new book. These are fact, I have spoken to Mr, Rebane in person as I live only 25 minutes from him and am the computer consultant in process of helping him get web sites set up and have read the text of the book now being printed.{{Unsigned|WolfWindshadow}} | |||
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| :As of now, ISBN has no match in Amazon, so that info must be removed from the article - blog page is up, but registered to Michad Computer Consulting, not Bill Rebane. So unfortunately, that info must be removed again until there is some independent, verifiable sources about his book and blog. Feel free to add the information after the book has been released or blog started and registered to Bill Rebane. | |||
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| :Hi Sander, thanks for the nomination. :o) ] (]) 07:31, 25 November 2007 (UTC) | |||
| == Vikiseminar == | |||
| Tere, Sander! | |||
| Eesti Vikipeedia vikiseminar toimub 15. detsembril 2007 Tallinna Ülikooli uues hoones (Uus-Sadama 5/Narva mnt 25) ruumis U-238 kell 12–18. Vaata ka ]. Meil on kavas ka diskussioon eesti Vikipeedia perspektiivide üle. Ajakava on veel täpsustamisel. Palun ka teavita teisi siinseid tegijaid. ] (]) 07:56, 30 November 2007 (UTC) | |||
| Tänan informeerimast, lisasin teate ] lehele. -- ] 10:15, 30 November 2007 (UTC) | |||
| == Editing the userspace == | |||
| Sander Säde, please consider editing the userspace in a different spirit than you do. You must know that Ghirlandajo would not choose to have sitting on his user talk. Don't restore it again, now. Don't revert Irpen on Ghirla's page. Don't wikilawyer. Don't follow the dictates of spite, and don't triumph. Surely that is not how you see yourself? Think about it. Please. ] | ] 12:13, 7 December 2007 (UTC). | |||
| ::Bishonen, why do you think you have a right to move non-trolling, non-abusive message left to another user? You - or Irpen, or any other Wikipedian - has no right to play psychic and delete messages left by another user. You are not a god. You are a wikipedian. Although apparently many administrators do think of themselves as almighty Misplaced Pages gods. -- ] 12:52, 7 December 2007 (UTC) | |||
| ::: You mean like ? ] <small>]</small> 12:55, 7 December 2007 (UTC) | |||
| ::::Yes, exactly - and there have been a lot of other cases like that lately. And Jimbo is making weird noises how nothing is secret, everything is open etc. -- ] 12:57, 7 December 2007 (UTC) | |||
| : Unless you are the Ghirlandajo, you don't dictate what he likes there and what he doesn't. Everybody has right to leave messages to users, and users have right to remove messages sent to them. Unless there is clear bad faith behind the comments or they are clear form of vandalism, you, Irpen or anybody else don't have the right to remove them. OTOH, I have to agree that editwarring on user talkpages is silly. ] <small>]</small> 12:18, 7 December 2007 (UTC) | |||
| :Do not pretend to be psychic. The only one that knows what Ghirla thinks is him. Do not harass people for resisting some bizarre buddy spirited censorship. You have not earned the right. I have right to an opinion just like you. And a right to express it where I like. And at this point, the team spirrited attempt to protect your buddy from my well wishes wherever he is, is rather silly.--] (]) 12:20, 7 December 2007 (UTC) | |||
| : At the same time, I have to disagree with the pics Irpen posted. I didn't notice Misplaced Pages changing into Black And White after Ghirla left. Quite the contrary -- After the conflicts calmed down the wikipedia is much more colourful. I can see previous opposing "cabalists" working together, and previous allied cabalists having and solving disagreements. Thus I see no point stirring things up again, and I would prefer Alexias comment remain removed, whatever the intentions were, it's unnecessary. ] <small>]</small> 12:38, 7 December 2007 (UTC) | |||
| ::Why? All I said was truthful to the core... And, as it seems I stepped on someones toes. The page is protected.:D Its really weird to see people get their nickers in a roll all over some well wishes and truth. Oh well. Tomorrow I will be busy with real life again. But something IS amiss when well wishes are being removed from others user pages... Somebody is failing at assuming goodwill again...--] (]) 13:27, 7 December 2007 (UTC) | |||
| :::Stop trying to demoralize an inactive user (who is your content opponent) when others are attempting to the opposite, both of you. ] 18:11, 7 December 2007 (UTC) | |||
| ::::Content opponent? No, see ]. Just a liar and hate-monger. -- ] 18:18, 7 December 2007 (UTC) | |||
| :::::Who is the "liar and hate-monger" whom your refer to? ] 18:25, 7 December 2007 (UTC) | |||
| :::::Ghirlandajo, I presume...? ] 18:39, 7 December 2007 (UTC) | |||
| ::::::<sub>(edit conflict)</sub>Sorry, apparently I misunderstood your comment. Can we now stop this silliness, please? Alexia's comment was maybe a bit flippant, but definitely not something that she should be threatened with a block. It was not trolling, it was not personal attack. -- ] 18:44, 7 December 2007 (UTC) | |||
| :::::::If you edit war, then yes, block warning is perfectly appropriate. And it was hardly a positive gesture, which you should not have edit wared to restore. As for the indignant insult, I'm not sure what there is to misunderstand (at any rate, whatever there may be, you are not making clear). ] 18:52, 7 December 2007 (UTC) | |||
| ::::::::Edit warred? One revert is now called edit warring? I did not restore the comment once it was removed again. Please - at least familiarize yourself with the subject before throwing accusations and starting to block users with clean block log. -- ] 18:55, 7 December 2007 (UTC) | |||
| :::::::::I read the revision history fine. You ''participated'' in the edit warring, and, clearly, your stance toward this user is venomous and not in our interests to allow to run uninhibitedly. ] 19:03, 7 December 2007 (UTC) | |||
| ::::::::::"Our interests"? Who made you the judge, jury and execution squad? -- ] 19:07, 7 December 2007 (UTC) | |||
| :::::::::::Such hostility ("Liar and hatemonger") is not, nor has it ever been, allowed here. ] 19:12, 7 December 2007 (UTC) | |||
| ::::::::::::Does it mean that it is okay to insinuate that other editors are fascists, racism and personal attacks are allowed? Or is that something only Ghirlandajo is allowed to do? See linked ArbCom evidence page above about his behavior - and scroll up for further diffs about him. Stangely, he was not blocked. Anything I've '''ever''' said about other editors is not even close to that - which is naturally not an excuse. That is just an example of double standards. Oh, and what happened to warning(s) for incivility? How impartial... -- ] 19:27, 7 December 2007 (UTC) | |||
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| :::::::::::::The one warning above was enough; you don't get additional "civility"-specific warnings. ] 20:39, 7 December 2007 (UTC) | |||
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| Hello Sander Säde, | |||
| Edit warring over negative comments to a user's talk page was bad enough; the "liar and hate-monger" is simply unacceptable. ] 18:39, 7 December 2007 (UTC) | |||
| :How am I "personally involved," exactly? Do you intend to back up this claim up? Because others may wish to see it verified. ] 18:58, 7 December 2007 (UTC) | |||
| ::You were the one who decided that Alexia's message was harassment . Impartial behavior was Jehochman's behavior. Yours most certainly was not.-- ] 19:00, 7 December 2007 (UTC) | |||
| :::I attribute Jehochman's behavior to him not paying close enough attention. Yes, in my capacity as an uninvolved admin., I did. And, five minutes later, in that capacity, I deemed your "liar and hate-monger" to be block-worthy. ] 19:08, 7 December 2007 (UTC) | |||
| {{Unblock reviewed|1=Blocking administrator is personally involved and not impartial, correct procedure should have been to warn or report to AN/I. While my comment may have been a bit out of line, I was already apologizing for that - and do so sincerely. As an excuse, Ghirla has caused very much grief to other editors - and I tend to get overemotional when he is involved. I will try not to do so in the future. -- ] 18:50, 7 December 2007 (UTC)|2=Clear enough to me that your comment was bad behavior. You've apologized. That's good, but I still see no reason to unblock you immediately, this is not a long block, only 24 hours. ]]<sup>]</sup> 20:19, 7 December 2007 (UTC) '''Addendum''' - I'd like to remind you of the result of ]. I considered but have decided against placing you on an editing restriction under that ruling, because of the contrition you have expressed already. ]]<sup>]</sup> 20:25, 7 December 2007 (UTC)}} | |||
| :Good evening. Could you provide some examples of the Administrator not being impartial? For example, links to AN/I threads (which you generally cite) which portray a lack of neutrality, a factor which is necessary in Administrators handing out Blocks. I'll be watching this page for your reply. ] 19:55, 7 December 2007 (UTC) | |||
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| ::Evening - mine hasn't been all that good, though. - failure to presume good faith, which still continues, see , , and . He accused me of edit warring while there was just one revert where I restored Alexias message , as I saw removing a relatively friendly (although somewhat flippant) message as a censoring of another user. Overall, El_C could have handled this situation with far, far more finesse and impartiality. In any case, I believe that my "crime" and punishment are not balanced. -- ] 20:08, 7 December 2007 (UTC) | |||
| :::I still fail to see how any of that makes me impartial. I'm trying to put an end to all the bad blood, but some simply do not know when to stop and go do something else, despite ample warning. ] 20:39, 7 December 2007 (UTC) | |||
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| Never intended to do that... I just wanted to tell Ghirla that even tho I will not be personally over joyed to see him active again I don't hold any grudges... And now its a bloody mess again. :( I hope you get unblocked, this is really uncalled for.--] (]) 19:42, 7 December 2007 (UTC) | |||
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| :I know, Alexia, that your message was not meant badly - that is why I restored it. However, you know how it is when it comes to certain editors. Same as you, I am losing my faith in Misplaced Pages - while the idea is great, administrators are now behaving like they are infallible gods chosen to rule over mortals. There are good administrators - but an average administrator behaves nowadays like a on steroids - I presume you are aware of Durova affair and the whole follow-up mess? Maybe it is time for me to quit Misplaced Pages as well - although it is somewhat hard even to think about that after countless hours and almost ten thousand edits. -- ] 19:50, 7 December 2007 (UTC) | |||
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Nomination of Tommy Graham (singer) for deletion
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