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| For future reference, keep in mind the exact figure is 6,042,783; the other 4-5 millions can be discounted. --] 11:53, 24 November 2007 (UTC) | |||
| == question == | |||
| * ] (]) 10:33, 25 November 2007 (UTC) | |||
| == notice == | |||
| per this diff - i request you try to keep it civil. we don't want these type of threads to reappear. <b><font face="Arial" color="teal">]</font><font color="1F860E"><sup>'']''</sup></font></b> 14:13, 25 November 2007 (UTC) | |||
| == Merges == | |||
| Hi. I don't quite see the point of merging a 27kB article into another one of 144kB size. The opposite is true. We should be creating ''new'' articles. See also ]. —] | ] 03:11, 26 November 2007 (UTC) | |||
| == Media Coverage Rewrite == | |||
| Hi. Might I enlist your help for filling in this ? Thanks. ← ] (]) 19:53, 29 November 2007 (UTC) | |||
| :Thank you for your time and effort in writing the previous example. Unfortunately, I cannot include the example because: | |||
| ::*It cites ] (citations to ], ], ], or ] do not meet Misplaced Pages's standards for sources, in my opinion). | |||
| ::*It is factually inaccurate: | |||
| ::**The ] article states that the victims were returning from services, suggesting that the term "worshiper" had been correctly applied. | |||
| ::**The individuals were attacked when not engaged in combat; hence the individuals were "military personnel" but not "combatants." | |||
| ::*It fails to parallel the pro-Israel example in length and style. | |||
| ::*It used improper Misplaced Pages markup, causing the bottom half of the page to disappear. | |||
| :Thank you again for your time and effort. I apologize for taking your time. If you don't mind, I would greatly appreciate another example. I can understand, however, if after rejecting the first edit that you would mind. I hope that you do not take the reversion personally. ← ] (]) 02:30, 30 November 2007 (UTC) | |||
| :::Thanks for the courteous note. Some thoughts: | |||
| :::*First, it's a pretty dubious comparison between Electronic Intifadah and Arutz Sheva. EI's honcho Ali Abunimah regularly appears as a commentary source or TV interviewee, and has published op-eds in very reliable newspapers including the Financial Times, Jerusalem Post, and even the Wall Street Journal (!). EI's second man, Nigel Parry, has also been quoted in the Chicago Tribune, Philly Enquirer, ''The Nation'' and elsewhere. The director of A7's website, ], has by contrast not so much as one-line quoted in any English-language publication on Google News. ], we judge the reliability of a source chiefly by which other sources cite it, and how. In any case, EI was only referenced for a quotation from Ha'aretz which was also mirrored by two (admittedly weak) internet sites. It could be replaced with the original citation, if I can dig it up, or with similar statements made in sources more to your taste. | |||
| :::*The Ha'aretz article states that "the Islamic Jihad fire was not directed at worshippers but at the security forces escorting them". I can't for the life of me figure out how you determine that calling them "worshippers" was inaccurate based on the Ha'aretz article which states that the victims were not worshippers, but the security forces escorting them. The Jerusalem Post (later syndicated by AP) ran an article which began, "The "all clear" sounded over the Israeli soldiers' radios, meaning '''Jewish worshippers were safely home''' after Sabbath prayers in the downtown Tomb of the Patriarchs, when shots rang out from an olive grove..." (my bold) | |||
| :::*On combatant status; I know of no definition of "combatant" which considers armed soldiers in a conflict zone to be "non-combatants" until they start shooting at somebody. Combatant has a specific meaning in the law of war, and that's what I had in mind when using the term. We could equally state "all of the victims were soldiers or paramilitary police and security guards", I guess. Although it's a strange request, given that Amos Harel in Ha'aretz made it very clear that "Those killed Friday were killed in combat. All of the victims were armed fighters, who were more or less trained." | |||
| :::*Your point about paralleling the pro-Israel example is well-taken, now that I review and compare the two. A little less detail might be appropriate, although actually I would think another sentence or two on Jenin is a better way to balance things. | |||
| :::*Sorry for forgetting to close the "ref" tag, mucking things up. It happens. | |||
| :::*And finally, btw, your summary of the Jenin media reports is inaccurate in that it states "early media reports claimed that Israel killed hundreds", when in fact, no reports claimed this. Reports stated that Palestinian sources and other sources ''alleged'' hundreds of deaths, but never confirmed these allegations, and often took pains to make the uncertainty clear. Your second ref, the Times piece, very clearly states that the number of dead is unknown, and your first ref juxtaposes unconfirmed Israeli and Palestinian counts with a forensic expert's suggestion of "massacre" - which has no numerical value and cannot be interpreted as claims of "hundreds". | |||
| :::Shalom. <]/]]> 05:03, 30 November 2007 (UTC) | |||
| :::::*] does not even pretend to be objective. It's partisan stance makes it an unreliable news source, and it can be cited only for the purpose of proving that ] said x,y, or z. The other two links were equally sketchy. Also note that op-eds are very different from news articles in that op-eds can be subjective. | |||
| :::::*The ] article () seems to confirm that the victims were also worshipers in stating: | |||
| :::::::"Twelve people were killed Friday night as Palestinian militants opened fire at a procession of settlers and security forces who were on the way back from Sabbath prayers at the Tomb of the Patriarchs in the West Bank city of Hebron." | |||
| :::::*Because of drafts and widespread membership in military or paramilitary organizations in the region, the distinction between a "combatant" (individual actively engaged in combat) and "military personnel," "militant," or "member of a military/paramilitary organization" is important. | |||
| :::::*Also note that, according to the ], three of the victims were ''civilian'' members of the Emergency Response Team - . The ] article seems to corroborate this; the names of these individuals are listed without a military rank. | |||
| :::::*Your points on the Pro-Israel example are well-taken. I have added more details and replaced the links. (BTW, early reports did claim that -- but not the early reports to which I originally linked). | |||
| :::::*Anyway, if I've attacked the example, it will definitely be attacked by others. Which means that a different example is necessary. Thank you for the discussion and for your understanding. Peace, Salaam, Shalom. ← ] (]) 08:06, 30 November 2007 (UTC) | |||
| ::::::*Right, EI is a partisan commentary source. That doesn't mean it fabricates quotes from Israeli newspapers and passes them off as fact. Ali Abunimah is treated as a respectable commentator in the English-language press, and I don't see how being a partisan makes him unreliable. Anyway, since I can see you object to EI, I'll use better sources for the factual information, such as the Salon.com piece which makes substantially the same point. | |||
| ::::::*The Ha'aretz article makes it clear that the civilians killed were combatants who "set out with the emergency response squad to help with the fighting" and "managed to shoot at least one of the Islamic Jihad members." The JPost piece you linked states, "terrorists opened fire at a security forces safeguarding Jewish worshipers," and that the civilians killed will be buried with military honours, since they died fighting. There's a plethora of articles which make this clear; the other Ha'aretz piece, the JPost piece, the Washington Post piece called "Israel Storms Into Hebron After Attack; Army Reveals Ambush Didn't Kill Worshipers", the Salon.com piece, and so on. The attack was a full 15 minutes after the worshipers had returned home. The mayor of the Hebron settlement called it "a purely military event." The facts here are quite well-established. | |||
| ::::::*I'm confused by your point about combatants, since the word does not mean "individual actively engaged in combat". B'Tselem, for example, correctly classes a Hamas militant asleep in his bed as a "combatant". But anyway it's irrelevant. As I've said, we can say "armed soldiers or paramilitaries", or some such, if there's some problem with "combatant". I don't understand why such a semantic quibble would exclude the entire entry. | |||
| ::::::*I noticed you've updated the summary of Jenin, but it seems to have gotten more muddled, not less. Again, you've supported the statement, "early media reports claimed that Israel 'massacred' hundreds of Palestinian civilians" with a media report which does not say this; it simply features the claims of a Palestinian witness, noting they were "impossible to verify," and "questionable," and quoting an Israeli official calling it "science fiction". The ADL released a report intended to prove that the media rushed to report a massacre, but literally every source they quoted reported "allegations", "rumours" or "reports" of a massacre, without confirming them. They had to scrape the bottom of the barrel - free ethnic-community weeklies and such - before finding anybody who actually claimed a massacre, as opposed to ''reporting'' others' claims of massacre. Despite all of the accusatory rhetoric, I have yet to see a single piece from the Western media which reported a massacre of hundreds. They reported the allegations, and they framed the story to give unusual prominence to the allegations, but they never confirmed them, and almost without exception they took pains to note their non-verifiable nature. So I'm standing on this point: unless you can provide the dates, titles, and publication outlets of these "media reports" which claimed massacres, I'm going to have to object to including the claim. <]/]]> 18:29, 30 November 2007 (UTC) | |||
| ::::::::Ok. I've added the example, but don't be surprised if it comes under fire. ← ] 03:38, 2 December 2007 (UTC) | |||
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| Please be more careful in your edits. ] 23:23, 30 November 2007 (UTC). | |||
| :OK. My bad. <]/]]> 23:42, 30 November 2007 (UTC) | |||
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| Yes, indef may be too long - I think I'll downgrade to a year, but all the edits seem to be on topic so it may be a static IP. I'll send it to a checkuser type to sort out. ] 00:14, 2 December 2007 (UTC) | |||
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| == Ed O'Loughlin == | |||
| Your deletion of verifiable cited sources seems arbitrary. If you want to balance the article with evidence to the contrary please cite your evidence, but please don't just delete. | |||
| It would have been inappropriate to have written that the evidence suggests that O'Loughlin is a propagandist without citing it. Unfortunately this is the reality and as such it is important that it be included in his biography. | |||
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| To attempt to suppress this information is to introduce bias ] 08:56, 3 December 2007 (UTC). | |||
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| == please == | |||
| please stop with the "wastes everybody's time" tantrums. <b><font face="Arial" color="teal">]</font><font color="1F860E"><sup>'']''</sup></font></b> 10:59, 3 December 2007 (UTC) | |||
| your recent edit summary -- ''""'' -- to a more than legitimate edit, is in breach of ] and ]. <b><font face="Arial" color="teal">]</font><font color="1F860E"><sup>'']''</sup></font></b> 14:03, 3 December 2007 (UTC) | |||
| == ] == | |||
| The Washington Times is reliable, even if you may not like the author of the piece. Shall we throw out all of Said and Khalidi's work because other's do not like them? Nice job on your other edits so far, by the way. -- ] (]) 01:28, 6 December 2007 (UTC) | |||
| :I suppose it's reliable enough for opinion purposes. Thank you for the compliment otherwise. <]/]]> 01:46, 6 December 2007 (UTC) | |||
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| Just thought you might like to know... Cheers, <small style="border: 1px solid;padding:1px 4px 1px 3px;white-space:nowrap">''']''' - ''']''' - 28.03.2008 09:09</small> | |||
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| * "do what I say, not what I do" | |||
| Guy, who do you think you are !<br/> | |||
| After throwing to people personnal attacks ones after the others you dare to complain to be answered.<br/> | |||
| Be civil yourself and you will receive construcvite answers ! ] (]) 18:38, 9 December 2007 (UTC) | |||
| * "Is somebody on a campaign here?" - personnal attack by Eleland. | |||
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