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	* Would someone please start something about his role in assasination of Dr. Saami?--] 20:29, 19 Jun 2005 (UTC)
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	== Conservative hardliner or fascist ==
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	There seems to be a very minor disagreement on whether he is "conservative hardliner" or a "fascist". Although I personally consider him a "conservative hardliner", I would like to get opinions of why he might be considered "fascist". Opinions are appreciated. Thanks.--] 20:53, Jun 19, 2005 (UTC)
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	:There has been people calling him and his supporters "fascist", yes, I've read these. But taking a look at ], no he is not nationalist or racist and does not support corporatism, but many people believe that he will implement a totalitarian regime (he has mentioned that a civil worker ''must'' believe in Islamic management or should be sacked), will limit political, social, and personal freedoms, and will implement modern propaganda techniques and heavy censorship. As for loyalty to a single leader, yes, he is supporting nation-wide loyalty to the Supreme Leader. He is also believed to be fundamentalist. ] 21:23, Jun 19, 2005 (UTC)

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	::Hmmm. Yes I agree, by definition that does not make him fascist. People usually have different POV and what they believe will happen. So although some people think he will involve some of the tenets of fascism, I don't think that has been proven yet, so he shouldn't be called fascist. Thanks for your response. --] 21:29, Jun 19, 2005 (UTC)

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	:: Bush emphasizes the importance of maintaining Christian values in his speeches all the time; in some other speeches he directly refers to Christianity. Many seem to think that he is "involved some of the tenets of fascism"... I don't see any refrences to fascism in his article. looks again "many people believe that he will implement a totalitarian regime (he has mentioned that a civil worker ''must'' believe in Islamic management or should be sacked)" Ain't that a heavily biased point a view, now? (noting the interesting word-choices that you have made...) ~]
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	== Islamism and minor neutrality dispute ==
	I seriously believe that ] should be added. This is not a hint toward religion, but toward the point that he believes Islam is not a religious only, but a global solution for government, etc. Please read the Islamism article. ] 21:40, Jun 19, 2005 (UTC)

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	:The problem is the fact that it is a widely controversial term which can have many different meanings for different people especially here in the west. This might give the wrong impression of who he really is. I think we should keep the conservative hardliner label for him and let the viewer decide whether he truly is of "Islamist" principles or not.--] 22:20, Jun 19, 2005 (UTC)

			Cheers.—]<small><sub style="margin-left:-14.9ex;color:green;font-family:Comic Sans MS">]:Online</sub></small> 15:48, 19 February 2016 (UTC)
	::After reading lots of what is said on his campaign website, I really believe that Ahmadinezhad considers himself an ] and that this is not POB. I also don't agree that "Islamism" is a controversial term. Please check the ] article to see that there is no mention of controvesy in usage or meaning there. Also, check ] to see that Islamist is not listed there. I consider not mentioning his self-described Islamism non-NPOV. If you think Islamism is not descriptive, add explanations instead of removing good descriptions. ] 02:10, Jun 20, 2005 (UTC)

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	:::Yo, hold on a second, man. There is no need for the POV tag. If this is so much a concern to you then I will insert that little phrase into the article. I didn't think that you were so much concerned about my slight rewording in order to avoid controversy. But if you are that concerned then no problem, I will insert that accordingly. Thanks.--] 02:16, Jun 20, 2005 (UTC)

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	::::Thanks. I removed conservative again, because of his critism of "conservatism practiced by current civil servants" on his campaign website. ] 02:39, Jun 20, 2005 (UTC)

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	::::: Lay off the "isms" A lot of leaders believe religion is the "global solution for government" or at least that can be inferred from their speeches and unless your going to take the same appproach with everybody else-- (which reflects your non_NPOV) please lay off the ism. Islamism... such an ambiguous (read:Newspeak) term for Wiki to be using, don't you think? ~]
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	== Zpelling ==
	Maybe Ahmadinejad would be better. -]\|] 07:12, 25 Jun 2005 (UTC)

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	: I completely agree with SV. Please note that all the major news agencies and news websites use the form "Ahmadinejad." Just check the Google results: (202,000), (584) -] 25 Jun 2005

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	:: Ahmadinejad is right... the "J" does not take a zh sound. It's J.. like jar, joke ~]

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	Moved. --] 16:06, 25 Jun 2005 (UTC)

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	Now if only someone would take the task of making sure his name is Ahmadinejad everywhere on Misplaced Pages... ] 17:13, 25 Jun 2005 (UTC)

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	==Critiques of Ahmadinejad==
	Hey there- I reworded parts of the critiques paragraph of this article, but I'm not sure exactly what the writer of this paragraph intended to explain. I was going to contact them, but the history of this article is too long to find the member who wrote it! If anyone else could look into fixing/adding that paragraph to make it more readable, that would be great! Thanks!
	] — ] (])] 18:11, Jun 26, 2005 (UTC)

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	:Critiques paragraph??? Do you mean criticism. If you do I will check it out. Thanks. --] 18:12, Jun 26, 2005 (UTC)

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	== Wikiquote ==

			== Conspiracy Theorist ==
	What happend to his article at Wikiquoke?

			Is he more of a conspiracy theorist for suggesting that the US and Israeli governments are involved in 9/11 than the US and Israeli governments themselves for their '''highly''' disputed version of what happened? I don't think so. Shouldn't be in the conspiracy theorist category anymore than officials from US or Israeli governments. — ] (]) 23:54, 15 December 2017 (UTC)
	== Disputed election procedures quote ==
			:*He's a holocaust denier. ] (]) 04:39, 18 December 2017 (UTC)
			::No the fuck he isn't. Also, given that he's never spoken a word of English, are you stating here and now that you speak Farsi? ] (]) 01:38, 17 October 2019 (UTC)

			== Insufficiently sourced reports of arrest ==
	Since he won, the circumstances of his election are relevant to his article. Other election details are presented in the article. Maybe it should be moved from the intro, though. ] 28 June 2005 05:00 (UTC)

			The lede is showing this text:
	(''The disputed quote follows'':)
	:"Ahmadinejad was elected President of Iran on ], ] in the second round of the ], '''in which only Muslim men approved by the ] were allowed to run. The Council of Guardians controls the electoral infrastructure and has not allowed any independent observers or vote counts'''."

	:Here are the '''bolded''' phrases (above). I believe the reason that this info is irrelevant there is because it does not really add to anything about that canditate. The '''criteria''' for how someone is elected should be added to an article that outlines how the elections are performed within that country, not on the canditates or president-elect's page. That's like giving a complete detail about how elections are conducted in the USA on Al Gore's page! I think you understand. Thanks. --] June 28, 2005 05:48 (UTC)

			:On 6 January, 2018, '']'' and '']'', both citing '']'', reported that Ahmadinejad had been arrested after expressing support for the protesters in a speech.<ref>{{cite web \|url= https://www.timesofisrael.com/report-ex-iranian-president-ahmadinejad-arrested-for-inciting-unrest/ \|title= Report: Ex-Iranian president Ahmadinejad arrested for inciting unrest \|author= Staff \|date= 6 January 2018 \|work= ] \|accessdate= 7 January 2018 }}</ref><ref name="IBTimesBFearnow">{{cite web \|url= http://www.ibtimes.com/who-mahmoud-ahmadinejad-former-iran-leader-arrested-speech-report-says-2638071 \|title= Who Is Mahmoud Ahmadinejad? Former Iran Leader Arrested For Speech, Report Says \|author= Benjamin Fearnow \|date= 6 January 2018 \|work= ] \|accessdate= 7 January 2018 }}</ref>
	::Normally I'd agree with with you, but, vis-a-vis Iranian elections, people are typically unaware of procedure that's radically different than what they are used to in English-speaking countries. People are likely to assume that his election was typically democratic. I see your point, and I think that mention of this election detail should be placed less prominently in the article (in the ''Biography'' section perhaps?). ] 28 June 2005 05:58 (UTC)

			Such a claim should be in the body, and then summarised in the lede.
	:::See we can't really assume who is reading the article, as wikipedia is an international encyclopedia so it is up to one's own desire whether they want to learn more about how candidates are chosen. Every country has a different method (some slightly more than others), but I mantain that should not be mentioned on a person's page, but rather on one about the electional criteria or the "elections in country X". Also whether a country has performed democratically or not is personal opinion and should be avoided for neutrality. Thanks.--] June 28, 2005 06:00 (UTC)
			The quoted sources do not really provide the sources, merely "The Times of Israel could not independently confirm the report." and the IBT article links to which has text that google translates to:

			:Al Quds Al Arabi learned from reliable sources in Tehran that the authorities ordered the arrest of former Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad during his visit to the city of Shiraz and that the arrest was made with the approval of Supreme Leader Seyed Ali Khamenei after his remarks in Bushehr Described as inciting unrest.
	::::(1.) English wikipedia is primarily in existence for people from English-speaking countries. I think that providing information about something that most people probably wouldn't have any prompt to look up is worthwhile. (2.) Does such an article about ] protocol already exists? Is such protocol mentioned anywhere on English Misplaced Pages? (3.) I used "typically democratic" loosely to refer to election-types that most English-speakers are accustomed to, and they are ''not'' used to such restrictions. (Strictly speaking, though, Democracy has a definition and is not a matter of opinion). Thank ''you''. ] 28 June 2005 06:19 (UTC)

			:It was learned that the authorities intended to impose house arrest on him.
	:::::HTK, strictly speaking though, regardless of various "democracy definitions" and '''who''' or '''who''' doesn't view the encyclopedia, this does not need to be mentioned on a candidate/president-elect's page. Surely you agree that the appropriate mention (if any) would be on an article about elections in that country? Thanks. --] June 28, 2005 06:24 (UTC)
			"ordering the arrest" is not the same as "arrested" in my opinion.
			Perhaps we should wait until more reliable news sources, such as Reuters or the BBC?
			-] (]) 03:36, 8 January 2018 (UTC)

			Update: I've removed the so far uncorroborated claims of arrest, as nothing has been mentioned by Reuters, BBC, Associated Press and Washington Post. You can monitor Reuters breaking news in case news does emerge. -] (]) 05:07, 8 January 2018 (UTC)
	::::::It ''certainly'' should be mentioned somewhere. I continue to think that it should ''also'' be mentioned, hinted to, or at least linked to in this article. If readers would have no indication that such information exists, than I would consider the article incomplete and lacking context. P.S. I'm still wondering if the info exists ''anywhere'' on English Misplaced Pages. Do you know if it does? ] 28 June 2005 06:32 (UTC)

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	:::::::No I don't ''know'' if it does exist but I am sure it probably does. I don't believe that this article needs to hint nor mention that as in many cases that would be considered POV and irrelevant for the article content. Thanks for your message. --] June 28, 2005 06:35 (UTC)

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	::::::::Call me thick, but why would it "''be considered POV and irrelevant for the article content''?" ] 28 June 2005 06:45 (UTC)
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			== A Commons file used on this page has been nominated for deletion ==
	::::::::: I agree that there should be a link, but I do not agree that hinting the personal opinion that the elections are "undemocratic" is acceptable to the article. Thanks. --] June 28, 2005 06:45 (UTC)
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			== Ahmadinejad or Ahmedinejad? ==
	::::::::::While the statement ''is'' trying to highlight negatives about the election process, it doesn't mention "democracy" at all, nor does it bring personal opinions. Even considering the negativity, I think the statement brings appropriate context, as I stated above. Perhaps you could add a countering statement, if you think that would make it more NPOV. (Don't worry: If I think it's inappropriate, I'll just revert!) :) ] 28 June 2005 07:10 (UTC)

			There seems to be some disagreement on the spelling of this fellow's name, though clearly consensus seems to favour the former. Not sure what the paradigm is on transliterated names, but I've removed the "Ahmedinejads" that appear within the article for consistency's sake. ] (]) 03:05, 23 June 2020 (UTC)
	::::::::::You don't have to look very hard to find information on Iran's political system. It's a prominent part of the main ] article. The problem with throwing in a couple negative statements like that is that in this climate of heavy anti-Iran propaganda, it reads like an endorsement of the U.S. position that the election was illegitimate (a position which says more about the state of U.S.-Iran relations than it does about the elections). ] 28 June 2005 07:42 (UTC)

	:::::::::::(1.) The ] article does not contain the info that is mentioned by the statement in question. Neither does ], to which the info directly pertains. (2.) While the author probably intended to bring negative info about Ahmadinejad, his info only contained factual material. The author brought no personal opinion, and the only POV issue may be the prominent placement of the info. The author drew no conclusions about the legitimacy or illegitimacy of the election.
	:::::::::::Practically speaking, I hope we can (at least) agree to the following resolution: (1.) Add the info to the ] wiki. (2.) The two points mentioned in the author's statement can be split up in that wiki to appear less POV. (3.) Add any relevant counterpoints to the ''Guardians'' wiki (if any). (4.) Add a sentence to this article (probably to the ''Biography'' section) stating that all candidates must be screened by the ] (with a link to that wiki). This way, readers can find details on Misplaced Pages if they so desire. ] 28 June 2005 21:40 (UTC)

	==Date Confusion==
	The article states that "In 1980, Ahmadinejad was the head representative of IUST to the student gatherings which led to the Iran hostage crisis". But the hostage crisis began in November 1979, so this date cannot be correct, unless the editor means to say that Ahmadinejad only met with this group ''after'' the hostages had already been seized. In any case, it needs to be cleared up. --] 28 June 2005 18:03 (UTC)

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Conspiracy Theorist

Is he more of a conspiracy theorist for suggesting that the US and Israeli governments are involved in 9/11 than the US and Israeli governments themselves for their highly disputed version of what happened? I don't think so. Shouldn't be in the conspiracy theorist category anymore than officials from US or Israeli governments. — Wisdomtooth32 (talk) 23:54, 15 December 2017 (UTC)

He's a holocaust denier. Niteshift36 (talk) 04:39, 18 December 2017 (UTC)

No the fuck he isn't. Also, given that he's never spoken a word of English, are you stating here and now that you speak Farsi? 174.115.100.93 (talk) 01:38, 17 October 2019 (UTC)

Insufficiently sourced reports of arrest

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On 6 January, 2018, The Times of Israel and The International Business Times, both citing Al-Quds Al-Arabi, reported that Ahmadinejad had been arrested after expressing support for the protesters in a speech.

Such a claim should be in the body, and then summarised in the lede. The quoted sources do not really provide the sources, merely "The Times of Israel could not independently confirm the report." and the IBT article links to this Arabic newspaper which has text that google translates to:

Al Quds Al Arabi learned from reliable sources in Tehran that the authorities ordered the arrest of former Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad during his visit to the city of Shiraz and that the arrest was made with the approval of Supreme Leader Seyed Ali Khamenei after his remarks in Bushehr Described as inciting unrest.

It was learned that the authorities intended to impose house arrest on him.

"ordering the arrest" is not the same as "arrested" in my opinion. Perhaps we should wait until more reliable news sources, such as Reuters or the BBC? -84user (talk) 03:36, 8 January 2018 (UTC)

Update: I've removed the so far uncorroborated claims of arrest, as nothing has been mentioned by Reuters, BBC, Associated Press and Washington Post. You can monitor Reuters breaking news here in case news does emerge. -84user (talk) 05:07, 8 January 2018 (UTC)

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Staff (6 January 2018). "Report: Ex-Iranian president Ahmadinejad arrested for inciting unrest". The Times of Israel. Retrieved 7 January 2018.
Benjamin Fearnow (6 January 2018). "Who Is Mahmoud Ahmadinejad? Former Iran Leader Arrested For Speech, Report Says". International Business Times. Retrieved 7 January 2018.

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Ahmadinejad or Ahmedinejad?

There seems to be some disagreement on the spelling of this fellow's name, though clearly consensus seems to favour the former. Not sure what the paradigm is on transliterated names, but I've removed the "Ahmedinejads" that appear within the article for consistency's sake. Spongebubby (talk) 03:05, 23 June 2020 (UTC)

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