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==== 2025 Jalgaon train accident ====
{{ITN candidate
| article = 2025 Jalgaon train accident
| image =
| blurb = Rail accident kills 12 in ], ]
| recent deaths =
| ongoing =
| ITNR = no
| altblurb = 12 dead as passengers get down on tracks, run over by another train ], ]
| sources = , ,
| updated = <!-- (yes/no); Leave blank if you aren't sure -->
| nominator = Spworld2 <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| creator = <!-- Editor who created the article, if relevant -->
| updaters = <!-- Editor(s) who significantly updated the article, separated by commas -->
| nom cmt = 12 people were killed after being run over by the ] in ], ]
| sign = ] (]) 09:09, 23 January 2025 (UTC) <!-- Do NOT change this -->
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*'''Oppose''' The Article is small and provides about the same amount of information as the blurb. ] 07:21, 23 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Oppose on quality''' Article is currently stub level status and needs more details to be fleshed out in order for this to be on ITN. Cheers, ''atque supra''! ]]] 11:58, 23 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Oppose on quality''' Article needs to be expanded a bit, once expanded can be posted ''']''' (]) 12:10, 23 January 2025 (UTC)
*:'''Comment''' I've copyedited the article and removed the tag that was present ''']''' (]) 12:11, 23 January 2025 (UTC)


:'''Oppose''', it is very short. ] '''(])''' 13:33, 23 January 2025 (UTC)
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*'''Oppose'''. Unfortunately, multiple-death railway accidents occur every few months in India, see ]. The article is very basic and there's no indication that this will have broader impact than the similarly deadly incidents in 2024, 2023 etc. This is tragic for those affected but we can't post every transport accident. <small>PS. we did post the ], which had a death toll of 296, the second highest in India's history.</small> ] ] 14:33, 23 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' per Modest Genius. Unfortunately not an unusual occurrence in India, and the article doesn’t seem to elaborate on what makes this one overly special. ] ] <span style="color:#C8102E;"><small><sup>(])</sup></small></span> 14:44, 23 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' per Modest Genius. Sad Indian routine. ] (]) 14:44, 23 January 2025 (UTC)


==== (Closed) Same-sex marriage in Thailand ====
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{{atop|Consensus to post will not develop. ]] 01:51, 23 January 2025 (UTC)}}
* The ] written in simple present tense summary format, short and to the point, with the ''']''' and ] pertinent links.
{{ITN candidate
Add any additional comments you may have below --] 12:00, 1 April 2007 (UTC)
| article = Same-sex marriage in Thailand <!-- Do not wikilink -->
:The next editor has something to say about the suggestion. --] 12:06, 1 April 2007 (UTC)
| image = <!-- Name of image only; do not link. Please crop the image before adding, if necessary. -->
::Another person has continued the discussion --] 12:07, 1 April 2007 (UTC)
| blurb = Thailand becomes the 38th country and the first in ] to legalize ].<!-- Add your suggestion of the blurb; should be written in simple present tense. -->
| recent deaths = no <!-- (yes/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Recent deaths" line -->
| ongoing = no <!-- (add/rem/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Ongoing" line -->
| ITNR = no <!-- 'No' by default. Only put in 'yes' if the event is listed at WP:ITNR -->
| altblurb = <!-- An alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| altblurb2 = <!-- A second alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| sources = <!-- Include one or more references from verifiable, reliable sources. -->
| updated = <!-- (yes/no); Leave blank if you aren't sure -->
| nominator = ArionStar <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| creator = <!-- Editor who created the article, if relevant -->
| updaters = <!-- Editor(s) who significantly updated the article, separated by commas -->
| nom cmt = Historic event. <!-- Additional comments go here -->
| sign = ] (]) 00:06, 23 January 2025 (UTC) <!-- Do NOT change this -->
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:'''Oppose''' "38th". Enough said. ] (]) 00:45, 23 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' per Masem and general lack of novel notability at this point. Cheers, ''atque supra''! ]]] 01:14, 23 January 2025 (UTC)
:'''Oppose''', I do not see how this is important. It is the 38th and we don't post every single change in the law of every single country. ] '''(])''' 01:19, 23 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' as this was already posted back in June when the law was passed by parliament. ] 01:21, 23 January 2025 (UTC)
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== January 22 ==
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====RD: Nicholas Eadie====
{{ITN candidate
| article = Nicholas Eadie
| recent deaths = yes
| sources = ,
| updated = yes
| nominator = Happily888
| updaters = Missclaireallen, Jkaharper
| nom cmt =
| sign = ] (]) 04:09, 23 January 2025 (UTC)
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*'''Oppose''' Article is orange tagged and has far too many unsourced statements to be recognized on ITNRD. Cheers, ''atque supra''! ]]] 11:59, 23 January 2025 (UTC)


==== January 2025 Gulf Coast blizzard ====
==December 16==
{{ITN candidate
* Four ]n states of ], ], ] and ] declare ] from the central government led by ] ]. <font color="404040">]</font> <sup>]</sup> 14:10, 16 December 2007 (UTC)
| article = January 20–22, 2025 Gulf Coast blizzard <!-- Do not wikilink -->
:Refs here:
| image = Blizzard conditions in Carlyss, Louisiana Jan 21, 2025.jpg<!-- Name of image only; do not link. Please crop the image before adding, if necessary. -->
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| blurb = ] in the ] ''(snowfall pictured in ])'' results in at least ten deaths and more than $14 billion in damage.<!-- Add your suggestion of the blurb; should be written in simple present tense. -->
*]n ] ] endorses ''']''' ''(pictured)'' as his successor in the ]. --] (]) 10:00, 16 December 2007 (UTC)
| recent deaths = no <!-- (yes/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Recent deaths" line -->
:The decision is possibly more important than the upcomming election. --] (]) 10:00, 16 December 2007 (UTC)
| ongoing = no <!-- (add/rem/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Ongoing" line -->
::Is Medvedev running unopposed? --'''] ] ]''' 10:18, 16 December 2007 (UTC)
| ITNR = no <!-- 'No' by default. Only put in 'yes' if the event is listed at WP:ITNR -->
:::There are a handfull candidates, but as Medevev has been endorsed by the President AND all parties in the Parliament except the Communists, the election is probably going to be just another formality.--] (]) 11:02, 16 December 2007 (UTC)
| altblurb = ] in the ] ''(snowfall pictured in ])'' results in record snowfall across several states and at least ten deaths. <!-- An alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
::::I dunno about this, BBC News doesn't have this as a story so it seems to be unnotable now. Perhaps it can be ITN-worthy after the elections. --'''] ] ]''' 11:45, 16 December 2007 (UTC)
| altblurb2 = <!-- A second alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
:Wasn't this same blurb nominated on December 10 as well? ]]<sup>]</sup> 12:23, 16 December 2007 (UTC)
| sources = <!-- Include one or more references from verifiable, reliable sources. -->
::Certainly, but the item was opposed by editors who thought this was just a simple endorsment in a traditional democracy. As Medvedev runs practically unopposed (all serious contenders have decided to back off) - the endorsment is the practical decision of succession. --] (]) 15:13, 16 December 2007 (UTC)
| updated = <!-- (yes/no); Leave blank if you aren't sure -->
:'''Strong support'''. The decision has ''very'' important implications and Medvedev will now for sure be the next President of Russia. ] (]) 16:42, 16 December 2007 (UTC)
| nominator = ArionStar <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| creator = <!-- Editor who created the article, if relevant -->
| updaters = <!-- Editor(s) who significantly updated the article, separated by commas -->
| nom cmt = Unusual and impactful event. <!-- Additional comments go here -->
| sign = ] (]) 22:44, 22 January 2025 (UTC) <!-- Do NOT change this -->
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*'''Oppose''' routine season weather (at least, in the face of climate change). Unless it causes significant deaths or damage, we don't post routine weather events. ] (]) 22:57, 22 January 2025 (UTC)
*:It is the first blizzard recorded in the Gulf Coast history and caused $14-$17 billion in damage… ] (]) 23:09, 22 January 2025 (UTC)
*:To add to my oppose, the quality of this article is typical of these types of non-destructive storms - that is, poor. In that it is the equivalent of ] wrt news topics. It just lists various things by state that were impacted or shut down without any attempt at a larger narrative structure. That might be good for starting an article but it does not represent the quality that other event articles at least get (And I'm ignoring the two empty sections at this point). Its the equivalent of ]. At *least* there's no "thoughts and prayers"-type reaction section; what reactions are present are at least in context and actual "reactions" to response to the storm like states of emergency. And further, while some may think this is the first big storm in the south (just because the most SE states are getting snow), lest we forget ], which had a far more serious impact on the southern states than this one and was also a Gulf storm. Basically, most of the coverage on this storm is equivalent to first-world problems of people in an tech-savvy nation having to deal with snow for the first time in their lives. --] (]) 01:30, 23 January 2025 (UTC)
:'''Support''' 10 inches of snow in New Orleans . Also, 5.5 inches of snow in Florida, a new record. 9 deaths isn't that much but given the state of infrastructure in the South being more prepared for heatwaves than cold snaps and blizzards that toll is going to rise a lot. I'd hold out on the monetary toll, though. ] (]) 23:10, 22 January 2025 (UTC)


* '''Support''' - "routine season weather" is absurd. And I wonder why non-hurricane weather is almost never featured at ITN... ]<sub>]</sub><sup>]</sup> 23:11, 22 January 2025 (UTC)
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*:Perhaps people are missing the context? This is the ]. It rarely ever snows down here. Especially in New Orleans and Florida. ''Especially when you get {{convert|10|in|cm}} at once.'' ] (]) 23:13, 22 January 2025 (UTC)
*Now that ICA has been taken down for Main Page balance, does this image of the oil spill in/near South Korea qualify for ITN? ]]<sup>]</sup> 01:31, 16 December 2007 (UTC)
*::And the blizzard has been described as "once-in-a-generation" event. ] (]) 23:19, 22 January 2025 (UTC)
]
*:::Which is being blind to the effects of climate change. This weather will certainly happen again thanks to that, it's not once in a generation.<span id="Masem:1737588519537:WikipediaFTTCLNIn_the_news/Candidates" class="FTTCmt"> —&nbsp;] (]) 23:28, 22 January 2025 (UTC)</span>
:Another suggestion: just a picture of ]. --'''] ]''' 02:19, 16 December 2007 (UTC)
:I can't see what's going on in the oil spill picture. It just looks like some sunbathers on holiday at the beach. <strong>]</strong> <sup>(<em>]</em>)</sup> 02:44, 16 December 2007 (UTC) :::::Yes, but for now this is significant, and the "oh, just climate change" rationale shouldn't undermine that. Will we stop featuring Cat. 5 hurricanes if every one is bigger than the one a year before, assuming they happen yearly? ]<sub>]</sub><sup>]</sup> 23:32, 22 January 2025 (UTC)
::::::If a cat 5 hurricane causes significant loss of life, yes. A blizzard may be unusual in the south but I see no reports of any deaths, just ppl being unable to leave homes and go to work. ] (]) 00:47, 23 January 2025 (UTC)
:::::::Correction I seen now ten deaths are reported, though I still feel that's a low number for this to be posted. ] (]) 00:49, 23 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Support''' New Orleans received 10 inches of snow, when most years it receives 0, let alone a blizzard ] (]) 23:21, 22 January 2025 (UTC)


:'''Support''' as this is clearly a historic blizzard. ] (]) 23:53, 22 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Support'''. Unusual and perhaps entirely unprecedented meteorological event. Consider the fact that the damages in this situation likely don't factor in economic disruption, which will likely be quite high given poor road conditions are expected to persist through the end of the workweek in areas such as New Orleans. I have proposed an alt that adjusts a few things (I believe recorded records to be the main story here, actually, and I think "blizzard" is a bit misleading in this scenario; from what I heard, the full conditions for a "blizzard" were ultimately not met, even if "blizzard conditions" were present in some locales at some times). ] (]) 00:21, 23 January 2025 (UTC)


:'''Support''' - insanely rare event. Solid impacts and several deaths. (not sure what happened to another user's and my comment) ] (]) 01:54, 23 January 2025 (UTC)
*Perhaps there should be a mention of the agreement on a plan to negotiate a new global warming pact by 2009 at the recent UN climate conference in Bali, Indonesia? --] (]) 05:31, 16 December 2007 (UTC)
:Submit a properly formatted hook, with an emboldened updated article, and it will be considered. --]] 08:08, 16 December 2007 (UTC) ::{{question}} observing the pile-on support, when is a blurb '''ready'''? ] (]) 03:41, 23 January 2025 (UTC)
:::{{ping|ArionStar}} This question was asked only 5 hours after the nomination, during the middle of the night for editors in Europe. Unless there's some unusual urgency, it's usually best to wait 24 hours to give an opportunity for everyone to comment. ] ] 13:06, 23 January 2025 (UTC)
:: How about: The ] concludes with an agreement to refine and expand the provisions of the ]. ] (]) 15:03, 16 December 2007 (UTC)
::::Thank you! I'm still understanding the ITN ''business''. ] (]) 13:11, 23 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Support''' extremely unusual weather event, with record-breaking snowfall for areas that rarely see even an inch in a given year. ] ] <span style="color:#C8102E;"><small><sup>(])</sup></small></span> 05:40, 23 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Support''' per others, deadly and unusual. --]] 05:58, 23 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Support''' per others as this is a highly unusual(even unique?) record breaking event. Economic costs are likely to be massive. ] 07:06, 23 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' The claims that this is unprecedented seem exaggerated as ] and ] contain many recent examples such as ] and ] which both reached as far south as Mexico. Also I notice a typo of "wreck havoc" which needs work. FYI, see previous discussions including ] and ] with mixed results. My impression is that the ] was a significant additional factor in the 2021 cases but we don't seem to have such an infrastructure failure this time. ]🐉(]) 09:52, 23 January 2025 (UTC)
*:Gulf Coastal Mexico is the southernmost near-sea level North Hemisphere place to ever have the tiniest amount of snow in recorded history. Likely most equatorial near-sea level sprinkle on Earth. Also did this one snow coastal Mexico or not? ] (]) 14:10, 23 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Support altblurb in principle''', as this is an unusual and record-breaking storm with wide impacts. However the article is '''not ready''' due to having two orange-tagged section stubs. Those need some expansion before posting; otherwise the article is reasonably well developed. ] ] 13:04, 23 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' per Andrew and Masem. It's...winter in the northern hemisphere. ] (]) 14:44, 23 January 2025 (UTC)
*:Florida does not typically get 4-8 inches of snow in that northern-hemisphere winter, and Louisiana does not typically get blizzard warnings. ] ] <span style="color:#C8102E;"><small><sup>(])</sup></small></span> 14:45, 23 January 2025 (UTC)
*::But it happens. It doesn't usually happen in the Sahara desert either (to compare latitudes) and I wouldn't consider ITN-worthy either. When we see snow in Rio de Janeiro or Fiji, maybe it is an extraordinary event. This is not a news ticket. ] (]) 14:53, 23 January 2025 (UTC)
*:::See ] and ]. Not that rare. ] (]) 14:54, 23 January 2025 (UTC)


==== RD: Tabish Mehdi====
==December 15==
{{ITN candidate
Not new items but this is now ready to be on ITN and is newer then some of the existing items
| article = Tabish Mehdi
*] ] announces the end of the 6 week old ''']''' in ]. ] (]) 17:22, 15 December 2007 (UTC)
| recent deaths = yes
:'''support''' ] (]) 20:24, 15 December 2007 (UTC)
| sources = ,
* ''']''' causes major floods and landslides in the ], killing at least 25 people.
| updated = yes
(date 11 or 13 December)
| nominator = Khaatir
] (]) 08:55, 15 December 2007 (UTC)
| creator = Khaatir
:'''strong support''' ] (]) 20:24, 15 December 2007 (UTC)
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::I thinks we've missed the boat on this one, it was downgraded on the 13th. --]] 08:11, 16 December 2007 (UTC)
Indian poet, a literary critic, journalist, and writer. ] (]) 18:48, 22 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' His literacy work section needs more citations. Cheers, ''atque supra''! ]]] 02:14, 23 January 2025 (UTC)
*:@] Thank you for your feedback. I have revised the Literary works section by reducing the number of books and retaining only a few key titles, with references that were already provided, such as Naqsh-e-Awwal (1971), Ghazal Khwani Nahin Jati (2020), and Hali, Shibli aur Iqbal (2017). These works are included with their proper citations and comply with Misplaced Pages’s guidelines. I hope this resolves your concerns. ] (]) 14:53, 23 January 2025 (UTC)


==== RD: Charles A. Doswell III====
==December 14==
{{ITN candidate
*] is confirmed by ] as the new ''']''' ]. Not sure if this is ITN worthy but England are one of the most supported football (soccer) teams in the world. ] (]) 17:31, 14 December 2007 (UTC) ]
| article = Charles A. Doswell III
:I actually think England failing to qualify for EURO 2008 was ITN-notable material, but this one isn't. --'''] ] ]''' 14:26, 15 December 2007 (UTC)
| recent deaths = yes
::Personally I don't think either are really noteable enough for ITN. Yes football is a massive sport and yes England is a very well known team and yes the failing to qualify for Euro was a resonably major upset but neither stories seem significant enough to me. ] (]) 17:13, 15 December 2007 (UTC)
| sources =
:::I just think both stories start an unfortunate precident. Do we start posting if the Yankees don't make the playoffs or if they hire a new manager? I just think we should only post significant championships, records, and unexpected stories as far as sports go. ] (]) 18:00, 15 December 2007 (UTC)
| updated =
::::Well the major difference between England-Euro 2008 and the Yankees-MLB playoffs is that the MLB playoffs occur annually and is arguably easier to reach rather than qualifying for the Euro championships which occur quadrennially. A better analogy would be the USA hoops team failing to qualify for the Olympics. --'''] ] ]''' 03:26, 16 December 2007 (UTC)
| nominator = Wildfireupdateman <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| nom cmt = Meteorology researcher who pioneered the modern model of the supercell. I have notability/quality concerns but putting it here to see what others think.
| sign = ] (]) 18:22, 22 January 2025 (UTC) <!-- Do NOT change this -->
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:'''Oppose''' Research should be better detailed, and there's an unsourced paragraph in there. ] (]) 18:35, 22 January 2025 (UTC)
==December 13==
*'''Oppose''' A few uncited statements throughout the article. Cheers, ''atque supra''! ]]] 02:15, 23 January 2025 (UTC)
*The relevant articles haven't been updated yet, but is New Jersey abolishing the death penalty ITN-worthy? ]]<sup>]</sup> 23:29, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
**Doubtful. I'm Massachusetts and hadn't heard a thing about it. I couldn't even find it . And it still needs the governors approval. ] <sub>]</sub> 23:37, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
***See . I agree that we have to wait until the governor approves it, which is scheduled to happen in January. ]]<sup>]</sup> 23:42, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
*The ''']''' is released, naming 89 ] players who are alleged to have used ] and/or ]. ]]] 22:00, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
:Might need to wait a bit, and the international interest is debatable (I should think it would be internationally significant due to the wide variety of countries represented in MLB.) ]]] 22:00, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
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::The article needs some work (and it will), but otherwise I '''support'''. This is very big news in the sports world that compares in importance to the ] and the ], both of which made WP:ITN. ---]<sup>]</sup><sup>]</sup> 22:16, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
:::This is definitely notable and ITN-worthy. This involves the highest level of competition in a sport that is very popular in the Americas and East Asia, with players from several notable baseball countries. ]]<sup>]</sup> 22:38, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
::::Agreed, '''strong support''' after a little more work. The international significance is not even debatable given the high level of interest in Major League Baseball throughout North America, the Caribbean, and the Pacific Rim.] (]) 23:04, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
:::::Strong support. Major story in the baseball world (if not all of sports), comparable to scandals in Serie A and F-1. And two of the most notable players on the list were born outside the US (] and ]). ] <sub>]</sub> 23:10, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
::::::Posted, thanks --]] 00:18, 14 December 2007 (UTC)
:::::::Take out the concrete number. It's not sourced. Mahalo. --] 19:42, 14 December 2007 (UTC)
::::::::Do we need a source for how many books are in the Bible? There just '''are''' 89 players named. ] (]) 04:10, 15 December 2007 (UTC)


== January 21 ==
*A ] ] dies after a road accident in ''']''', ], just three days before control of security in Basra is handed over to Iraqi authorities. ] (]) 20:00, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
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:The Basra article - which recently hasn't been updated at all - doesn't mention the road accident. It only mentions the UK pull-out in one short sentence. --] (]) 20:49, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
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:The handover of control of security in Basra to the Iraqi authorities might be ITN-worthy, the death of a single soldier isn't. ]]<sup>]</sup> 22:39, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
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* In ], ] ] of ]s signed the ''']'''.
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:Well, the EU Reform Treaty ("Treaty of Lisbon") has been posted on ITN twice this year - so this wuold be the third time. I think we should wait with the third (!) posting until the treaty has been ratified (or possibly rejected) later next year. --] (]) 20:46, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
==== RD: Mauricio Funes ====
::Ditto. -- ] ] 21:07, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
{{ITN candidate
:::Why has this been posted?? I hardly see any consensus for adding this, as it has been posted twice before and as of yet has not been officially ratified. ] (]) 03:02, 14 December 2007 (UTC)
| article = Mauricio Funes
::::This really isn't news... --'''] ] ]''' 03:13, 14 December 2007 (UTC)
| recent deaths = yes
*"The ] sentences ''']''' to 33 years in prison for his role in the ] during the ]." ]]<sup>]</sup> 01:53, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
| sources = ,
:Currently, a very short article with merly a few lines of recent updates. --] (]) 20:46, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
| updated = yes
| nominator = Moscow Mule <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| updaters = PizzaKing13, SalvadoranSoldier, Borgenland
| nom cmt = President of El Salvador 2009–14 (FMLN), died in exile in Nicaragua on 21 Jan.
| sign = ] (]) 17:38, 22 January 2025 (UTC) <!-- Do NOT change this -->
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:'''Comment''' This should be a blurb as Funes was the head of both state and government in El Salvador. ] (]) 17:41, 22 January 2025 (UTC)
==December 12==
:'''Support, weak oppose blurb''' - Funes is nowhere near as well known than other world leaders. I might be thinking with a hint of Americentrism though. ] (]) 17:57, 22 January 2025 (UTC)
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:'''Comment'''. I'd be surprised if he was deemed worthy of a blurb. It's not automatic for former heads of state/govt: Carter/Fujimori/Mandela/Thatcher he wasn't. There might be a case to be argued on the grounds of the "symbolic" importance of the handover of power after the Civil War, but it's not a strong one. ] (]) 18:10, 22 January 2025 (UTC)
* ], leader of the right-wing ], is voted out of office in the ''']''' to the ]. — self-nom by ] (]) 10:17, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
:I understand that it is not yet finally decided whether Chr. Blocher will be included in the new cabinet or not. --] (]) 15:47, 13 December 2007 (UTC) :'''Oppose blurb''' not a ''serving'' head of state/gov't. ] (]) 18:51, 22 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Support RD''' - article looks fine for that. No need for a blurb <small> ✈</small> ] <sup>]</sup><sub>]</sub> 20:11, 22 January 2025 (UTC)
::It is now; he's out. ] (]) 21:29, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
* The ] strips ''']''' of her five ] after she admitted taking banned substances. --] (]) 15:43, 12 December 2007 (UTC) * '''Support''' article looks good to me. ] (]) 06:39, 23 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Weak oppose RD, oppose blurb''' Article still has one CN tag left that needs to be fixed, but Funes's death is not on the level of what I consider to be blurb worthy. Cheers, ''atque supra''! ]]] 12:01, 23 January 2025 (UTC)
:Has this been mentioned ITN before? If not, then support. ] | ] 17:11, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
::The IOC stripped her today, this is breaking news as of today, couldn't have been posted before - don't know about her voluntarily handing them back though... --] (]) 17:14, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
:::Yes it was. She voluntarily surrendered the medals back in October. I suppose she was still on record as being the winner and no longer had the physical medals. But today's vote just took her name from the books. ] <sub>]</sub> 17:20, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
:::It was added ] <sub>]</sub> 17:22, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
* The ] chief of operations, ''']''', is killed in a bomb attack. --] (]) 15:43, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
:Support. ] | ] 17:11, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
::First, Bob, news items are written in present tense, so please attempt to write suggestions that way. Second, the article is a sub-stub. I, personally, would ''never'' post anything to the top of the main page that would link WP readers to a six-sentence article. -- ] ] 19:24, 12 December 2007 (UTC)


==== (Closed) RD: Francisco San Martin ====
* ''']''' causes major floods and landslides in the ], killing at least eight people. --] (]) 21:39, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
{{atop
| result = Article at AfD. {{nac}} ] (]) 02:00, 23 January 2025 (UTC)
}}
{{ITN candidate
| article = Francisco San Martin
| recent deaths = yes
| sources =
| updated = yes
| nominator = Thriley
| sign = ] (]) 17:35, 22 January 2025 (UTC)
| nom cmt = Spanish American actor. Death announced 21 January.
}}
*'''Oppose'''. Stub, under threat of CSD. ] (]) 17:53, 22 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Oppose and suggest close under procedure''' Article is 1 sentence long and is under AfD. Cheers, ''atque supra''! ]]] 20:14, 22 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Oppose and close''' unless article is dramatically improved. A one-sentence stub. ] ] <span style="color:#C8102E;"><small><sup>(])</sup></small></span> 21:09, 22 January 2025 (UTC)
{{abot}}


==== RD: Garth Hudson ====
==December 11==
{{ITN candidate
*''']''' in the ] capital ] kill 47 people.] (]) 12:14, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
| article = Garth Hudson
:Feel free to change the wording, as this is my first submission for ITN, and obviously the casualty figures will need to be updated with time - I just took the ones from the article. ] (]) 11:11, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
| recent deaths = yes
:Added, thanks. ] | ] 14:27, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
| sources = ,
*] played their ''']''' at the ] arena in memory of ]. Over 20 million people applied for tickets,<ref>http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/6992623.stm</ref> with some paying up to $2,000 each.<ref>http://www.sltrib.com/entertainment/ci_7688009</ref> <span style="border: 1px #F10; background-color:cream;">''']''' *]</span> 08:24, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
| updated = yes
:Not significant enough. ] | ] 14:27, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
| nominator = GeoGreg
::I think it is definitely significant enough. It's probably the biggest piece of news in the music industy this year. Twenty million people is pretty damn significant. --] (]) 18:46, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
| sign = ] (]) 18:33, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
* Former ], ], has been ''']''' and fined 400,000 ] (92,050 ]s) for abuse of power. --] (]) 01:45, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
| nom cmt = American musician, member of ], death announced today.
* Update on a previous item: ''']''' by ] in the ] capital ] kill dozens of people, including 10 ] employees. --] (]) 01:54, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
}}
*'''Oppose''' Article needs some citation work before it can be put on ITNRD. Cheers, ''atque supra''! ]]] 19:35, 21 January 2025 (UTC)


==== RD: Jules Feiffer ====
==December 10==
{{ITN candidate
]
| article = Jules Feiffer
*''']''' is sworn in as the ] of ]. ] <sup>]</sup>⁄<sub>]</sub> <small>&bull;&nbsp;20:00, 10 December 2007 (UTC)</small>
| recent deaths = yes
:No, there is no need to include Fernández de Kirchner again as she has already been on ITN when she won the election. ITN wont benifit much should sucessful politicians be posted twice (winning elections + taking offices). --] (]) 20:43, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
| sources = ,
::We included the news about Rudd being sworn in as Australian prime minister. I don't see a reason to not include this. --] (]) 22:49, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
| updated = yes
:::If there is precedence on this matter, then it should be listed again. --] (]) 23:21, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
| nominator = Sunshineisles2 <!-- Do NOT change this -->
:::Well I don't know. Rudd was a special case since it was the change of PM for Australia after 13 years which is considered a very long time for Australia, and also a change in party. If I'm not mistaken Cristina is not really a change, she's just continuining her husband's legacy due to the ban on her husband serving for longer 23:42, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
| updaters = NathanielTheBold
::::I don't think we should be in the habit of doing this too often. Extremely notable exceptions are one thing (and I'm not saying the Australian election is one of those), but since we already hold elections to be sacred (which already is controversial), I don't think we should extend that privilage to innaugurations. I mean what's next after that the opening and closing of legislative bodies in every country? ] (]) 00:13, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
| nom cmt = American cartoonist, death announced today.
:::::I don't think that was really a special case, or they would have added something about him being the first prime minister in 13 years. --] (]) 01:15, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
| sign = ] (]) 16:09, 21 January 2025 (UTC) <!-- Do NOT change this -->
::::::I do think the change from John Howard to Kevin Rudd was considered a rather major change in Australia (bear in mind JH is the second longest serving Australian PM) along with the change from the Coalition to Labor. However in retrospect I don't think the actual swearing in had so much attention beyond his signing the Kyoto Protocol. It was after winning the election with JH's loss and concession speech that the major change occured even if he didn't take office until a few weeks later. In any case I wasn't arguing in support of mentioning the Rudd story just pointing out that the Rudd case was not really comparable to the Argentina case. Edit: Actually she is the countries first female president evidentally. ] (]) 04:21, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
}}
:::::::]. ] <sup>]</sup>⁄<sub>]</sub> <small>&bull;&nbsp;17:18, 11 December 2007 (UTC)</small>
*'''Oppose''' 2 CN tags - and the Selected Works section needs some citation patch work. Cheers, ''atque supra''! ]]] 17:38, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
::::Pass on this one, just because it was already up there for the elections, and since there are other more notable things to post currently. <span style="font-variant:small-caps"><font color="#800080">]</font></span> 16:22, 11 December 2007 (UTC)


==== (Posted) Kartalkaya hotel fire ====
* The former president of ], ''']''' is on trial for ] and ]. (first day today)--] (]) 23:21, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
{{ITN candidate
:I don't know much on the subject, but from what it sounds it seems pretty important. --] (]) 23:32, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
| article = 2025 Kartalkaya hotel fire <!-- Do not wikilink -->
::A conviction I think would merit inclusion, but I don't think the actual trial is notable enough. ] (]) 00:13, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
| image = <!-- Name of image only; do not link. Please crop the image before adding, if necessary. -->
:I think we did list the extradition to Peru a few months ago, but I'm not sure the start of the trial warrants ITN. A verdict would be another matter, obviously. ]]<sup>]</sup> 00:23, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
| blurb = ] in ], ], Turkey, kills at least 66 people and injures 51 others.<!-- Add your suggestion of the blurb; should be written in simple present tense. -->
::Actually, however a verdict comes down, it will be notable enough to warrant a blurb. A conviction just makes it overwhelmingly so. <span style="font-variant:small-caps"><font color="#800080">]</font></span> 16:23, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
| recent deaths = no <!-- (yes/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Recent deaths" line -->
:Just in - he's been convicted and sentenced to six years in prison. ] (]) 23:19, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
| ongoing = no <!-- (add/rem/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Ongoing" line -->
| ITNR = no <!-- 'No' by default. Only put in 'yes' if the event is listed at WP:ITNR -->
| altblurb = <!-- An alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| altblurb2 = <!-- A second alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| sources = <!-- Include one or more references from verifiable, reliable sources. -->
| updated = <!-- (yes/no); Leave blank if you aren't sure -->
| nominator = ArionStar <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| creator = BSRF<!-- Editor who created the article, if relevant -->
| updaters = Borgenland,Chorchapu<!-- Editor(s) who significantly updated the article, separated by commas -->
| nom cmt = Another tragedy. Another article to work. <!-- Additional comments go here -->
| sign = ] (]) 13:37, 21 January 2025 (UTC) <!-- Do NOT change this -->
}}


* '''2007 ]''' opens its doors --] (]) 23:21, 10 December 2007 (UTC) :Like all of my other votes, '''Oppose on quality''' but '''Support on notability''' ] (]) 13:51, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
:Not notable enough. --] (]) 23:32, 10 December 2007 (UTC) ::@]: in good shape now. ] (]) 14:27, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
:::Looking better but still can be improved. ] (]) 21:02, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Support''' 66 dead. ] (]) 14:23, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Support''' 66 dead & counting, in a fairly developed country to boot. ''']]''' 15:09, 21 January 2025 (UTC)


* ], is ]'s candidate for the ''']'''. --] (]) 23:21, 10 December 2007 (UTC) * '''Support''' at least Seventy a significant fatal incident.] (]) 15:13, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Weak support''' seems a substantial event with a surprisingly high death toll. But the article is disappointingly light on details or context - it's a basic news report. Good enough to post but I'd like to see better content. ] ] 15:45, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
:A endorsement isn't enough for ITN. --] (]) 23:32, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
* '''Oppose''' tragic, but lacks long-term significance. ] (]) 16:06, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
:I have to agree with Plasma Twa 2 on this one. While this endorsement/nomination makes it virtually certain that Medvedev will be the next President of Russia, common practice is not to list candidacies, and only focus on the election outcome. Having said that, I'm not sure if we're gonna stick with it if the Republican Party and the Democratic Party announce their Presidential and Vice Presidential candidates next year. ]]<sup>]</sup> 00:21, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
*:Of course not, as the death toll can rise and an investigation is already underway. ] (]) 16:40, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
::I agree with Aecis etc here. Yes he's almost definitely going to be the next Russian president but we should wait for the election. As for the US, we've had discussions about this before, so far most people have agreed we should not put the Republican and Democractic? (is that the right word? I'm a bit confused since I understand Democrat is offensive in some contexts) candidates. There is some uncertainty about whether we should mention if there is something special such as the first female presidential candidate from a major party or the first black/African American candidate as we did with Royal but definitely if it's just an ordinary case I haven't yet seen much support for it (although I suspect someone's liable to do it anyway) ] (]) 04:36, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
*I share the concerns expressed by Modest Genius. ''']]''' 17:04, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
:Given timeless ] and the present playing field there is little chance of an upset. He is the new leader, at least as this story is being reported "in the news". '''Support''' ] (]) 04:08, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
*'''Weak oppose''' per Modest Genius. ] ] <span style="color:#C8102E;"><small><sup>(])</sup></small></span> 18:15, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
* ''']''' will drive with ] in ]. --] (]) 23:21, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
*'''Weak oppose''' - The event is significant enough for sure but until the article is expanded a bit more I don't think it should be posted. Certainly not ready in the current state. <small> ✈</small> ] <sup>]</sup><sub>]</sub> 18:23, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
:Not notable enough. --] (]) 23:32, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
*'''Support''' – Rest in peace to peoples who died from the fire. I know some peoples opposing it, but the article will be expand soon and the death toll might be rise. ] <small>]</small> 18:44, 21 January 2025 (UTC)


:'''Weak Support''' - article is slightly stubby. ] (]) 18:57, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
==December 7 ==
:'''Wait:''' 24 hours or so, see if the article gets fleshed out? As it currently stands, it's not something we should be proud to put on the main page. ] (]) 19:01, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
*A state of disaster is declared in ]'s ] country after the countries worst ever ''']'''
* '''Support''' Definitely worthy of being on the main page, at least 76 have died and 51 are injured. ] (]) 19:31, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
:Proposing this but I don't know if it quite qualifies for ITN. Any state of disaster is automatically up there in the list of candidates for me. And according to initial estimates the cost of this may be up to US$330 million which I would say is resonably large. The region appears to be rather pristine environmentally speaking with at least one national park. Also the cost may fall onto international insurance companies (although I'm a bit unsure of that, see the article talk page). The story was the top story on Al Jazeera and BBC an hour or more ago but is no longer (overtaken by the EU-Africa summit in both cases) although it remains one of the top stories on both places (and also on CNN and Xiahua). Finally this appears to have spread more then intially expected. However in terms of ], this one is actually fairly minor in size, about 1/4 of the size of Exxon Valdez which in itself was evidentally in relative terms, fairly minor except it happened in a very bad place (this one is bad but not nearly as bad as the Alaska Sounds). A lot seems to depend on how far it will spread which is seemingly not helped by the bad weather and some mistakes by the SK goverment but remains a bit uncertain I think. Oh and finally I don't know if the article is quite up to ITN standard yet. ] (]) 16:20, 9 December 2007 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' per ]. ]🐉(]) 19:35, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
::Posted, the article seems in reasonable shape, and the event seems significant for the area. --]] 00:11, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
*:There are 76+ deaths (and sadly counting) and it's a significant event. Definitely notable <span style="text-shadow:1px 1px 10px #ff0000, 1px 1px 10px #ccc; font-weight:bold; font-family:Century Gothic;"><i>🔥]]🔥</i></span> <small>]</small> 19:59, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
*] ]s launch a criminal investigation after ''']''' were revealed at ], the leading grocery store chain in ]. --] (]) 18:12, 8 December 2007 (UTC)
:::] explains "{{tq|Routine kinds of news events (including most crimes, accidents, deaths, "shock" news, ...) – whether or not tragic or widely reported at the time – are usually not notable unless something further gives them additional enduring significance.}} I'm not seeing anything further in this case. ]🐉(]) 20:20, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
::I have ] and moved the article to ], which better covers the content and avoids the pov terms Cheat and Scandal. I'm not sure about putting this on ITN though. This appears to be confined to Sweden, and it's not even on the ] there, and it has a very small section in ]. ]]<sup>]</sup> 18:53, 8 December 2007 (UTC)
*'''Posted''' - consensus that it's significant enough to post, and also rough consensus that quality is just about there. Hopefully it will be expanded further as more details emerge. &nbsp;&mdash;&nbsp;] (]) 19:42, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
:::Did you read the article before moving it? It's not only about repacking... Moreover, what happens "there" (Swedish WP) is totally irrelevant, and I remember that Aecis supported the inclusion of the French strike at ITN, an article which was even nominated for deletion "there" (French WP). ] (]) 23:40, 8 December 2007 (UTC)
::::I read the article, and all it mentions is repackaging. In the first sentence: "A scandal surrounding the repackaging of meat..."; in the second sentence: "...revealed that they had repackaged out-of-date meat..."; in the first sentence of the Scandal revealed section: "...employees at four featured Maxi ICA Hypermarkets relabeling outdated ground meat, as well as grinding down other forms of out-of-date meat to make ground meat..."; the next sentence: "...picking up outdated pork chops from the floor, repacking and relabeling them." The first sentence of the next paragraph: "...the company knew that meat was being illegally repackaged as early as 2003." Two sentences on: "...many stores engaged in practices such as repackaging meat in order to change the best before date, saying that "they even re-minced meat that had already been out on the shelves, before repackaging it and putting it back out on the shelves," Sausage meats that had become old and sticky were also repackaged after rinsing, he said"; in the final sentence of the Reaction section: "...and only focus on the meat packing scandal." I think ] covers the content of the article quite well. Ofcourse I'm always open to suggestions and alternatives. Have you got one? ]]<sup>]</sup> 23:53, 8 December 2007 (UTC)
::::Btw, if you reread the discussion on the French strikes a few weeks ago, you will see that I endorsed the nomination when the high speed train connections to Belgium and Germany were sabotaged, which is quite an international perspective. You aren't even comparing apples and oranges anymore, you are comparing banjos to zebras. ]]<sup>]</sup> 23:57, 8 December 2007 (UTC)
:::::That's a very childish way to argue, especially as you endorsed that article while it was still nominated for deletion "there". ] (]) 00:20, 9 December 2007 (UTC)
::'''Support'''. This is intersting news covering food safety and irregularities in the retail market of a multi-national grocery store chain, the article should be posted. ] (]) 23:37, 8 December 2007 (UTC)
::'''Note''': I have filed a ] for the article, to have it moved from ] to ]. ]]<sup>]</sup> 00:46, 9 December 2007 (UTC)
:::Maybe "2007 ICA meat repackaging controversy" would be even better? --] (]) 10:07, 9 December 2007 (UTC)
: Posted. --] (]) 13:17, 9 December 2007 (UTC)
::Is this relevant to have on the Main Page? This probably happens in almost every store in every part of the world and it's not even mentioned by any international news agencies! ] (]) 14:11, 13 December 2007 (UTC)


==== RD: Håkon Bleken ====
==December 6==
{{ITN candidate
]
| article = Håkon Bleken <!-- Do not wikilink -->
*] ''(pictured)'', ], ], and ] win the ''']''' for "ongoing successful work".--] (]) 13:43, 6 December 2007 (UTC)
| recent deaths = yes
:I know, the Nobel Foundation might hate this prize, but it is a rather remarkable inititative by a private donation; and it is indeed endorsed by the Swedish Parliament. --] (]) 13:43, 6 December 2007 (UTC)
| sources = , <!-- Include one or more references from verifiable, reliable sources. -->
::I would not support this unless their field of work was given. --]] 03:32, 7 December 2007 (UTC)
| updated = <!-- (yes/no); Leave blank if you aren't sure -->
:::Agreed, that is sort of a key component. Otherwise, support. <span style="font-variant:small-caps"><font color="#800080">]</font></span> 15:51, 7 December 2007 (UTC)
| nominator = Oceanh <!-- Do NOT change this -->
:Perhaps the award winners' articles could be updated more with materials from http://www.rightlivelihood.org/laureates.html?&no_cache=1 ? BTW, ] has a ], too. --] (]) 13:21, 9 December 2007 (UTC)
| updaters = <!-- Editor(s) who significantly updated the article, separated by commas -->
| nom cmt = Norwegian painter. Needs more updates. <!-- Additional comments go here -->
| sign = ] (]) 11:23, 21 January 2025 (UTC) <!-- Do NOT change this -->
}}
*'''Oppose''' Some statements in the article still need citations. Cheers, ''atque supra''! ]]] 17:39, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
==== (Closed) Trump executive orders ====
{{atop|SNOW close. Could be posted if focused on a specific executive order, but even that seems unlikely. {{nac}} ] (]) 18:19, 21 January 2025 (UTC)}}
{{ITN candidate
| article = List of executive orders in the second presidency of Donald Trump
| image = Donald Trump official portrait, 2025 (cropped headshot).jpg
| blurb = Incoming US President ] ''(pictured)'' issues a ''']''' including withdrawal from the ] and the ]
| recent deaths = no <!-- (yes/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Recent deaths" line -->
| ongoing = no <!-- (add/rem/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Ongoing" line -->
| ITNR = no <!-- 'No' by default. Only put in 'yes' if the event is listed at WP:ITNR -->
| altblurb = <!-- An alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| altblurb2 = <!-- A second alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| sources = , , ,
| updated = yes <!-- (yes/no); Leave blank if you aren't sure -->
| nominator = Andrew Davidson <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| creator = AndrewRT
| updaters = Pauliesnug
| nom cmt = These executive orders are in the news and include internationally significant actions such as withdrawal from the Paris climate agreement and the WHO.
| sign = ]🐉(]) 10:58, 21 January 2025 (UTC) <!-- Do NOT change this -->
}}
* Fixing nomination header from 'nomination header' to current title. Cheers, ''atque supra''! ]]] 11:07, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
:* Thanks. There must be a lot of cut-and-paste when preparing the orders too. I trust they also have someone carefully proof-reading them. :) ]🐉(]) 11:37, 21 January 2025 (UTC)


*'''Comment''' See also ] as a potential target article.--] (]) 11:07, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
*The ''']''' ] opens in ], ].
*:A mini-Olympics-like event in ]. --'''] ] ]''' 15:28, 7 December 2007 (UTC)
::Should be notable enough, no? <span style="font-variant:small-caps"><font color="#800080">]</font></span> 15:49, 7 December 2007 (UTC)
:::Mild support here. Maybe inclusion of expected end date so as to eliminate attempts to include closing of event as well would be appropriate. ] (]) 17:01, 7 December 2007 (UTC)
::::I'm not sure this is notable enough. The Asian Games yes, but the Southeast Asian Games? ]]<sup>]</sup> 21:58, 7 December 2007 (UTC)
:::::Fair enough. ] (]) 23:14, 7 December 2007 (UTC)
:::::I just figured if we'd display we might as well add a mini-Olympics among medium-sized countries. --'''] ] ]''' 03:57, 8 December 2007 (UTC)
::::::So the IAAF World championships, which determined the '''world champion''' as recognised by the official '''world governing body''' of disciplines in one of the most widespread sports in the world does not, , merit inclusion, but this event, which establishes a '''regional champion''' in events, many of which are virtually unknown in the rest of the world, whose governing bodies have unclear relationships with the event organisers, and where the standard of competition is such that a competitor can win a medal without ever having played the sport before , should be included. Hmmmm... ] (]) 10:44, 8 December 2007 (UTC)
:::::::The IAAF WC weren't even in the news... the only mention I saw on the web (aside from here) is on a photos website where the posters were drooling over a Swedish runner (LOL).
:::::::With that said, we should've added the Boxing and Taekwondo WCs since they were also "World Championships".
:::::::Granted this year's SEA Games aren't even on the news either, maybe because there's very little English-language sources unlike the 2005 version that made it to the ITN. --'''] ] ]''' 13:22, 8 December 2007 (UTC)
::::::::P.S.: I'm not even saying we'd put the gold medalists on every event; just the simple "The 24th SEA Games begins...", just as what I've said on the IAAF WC suggestion. --'''] ] ]''' 13:27, 8 December 2007 (UTC)
:::::::::::Exactly what I proposed for the IAAF Championships, and which you argued against, repeatedly. As for the IAAF World Championships nopt being on the news, I can only surmise that they were not reported on the particular news source that you favour. Please do not mistake that for some kind of arbiter of all that is global news. ] (]) 20:44, 9 December 2007 (UTC)
::::::::::::You do realize that the IAAF WC is a single sport (Athletics/Track & Field), and on sports festivals with a single sport, we'd mention the team that won the championship - in case of Athletics, we'd mention the country with the most medals. In any case, the IAAF WC failed to provide sufficient press to be on ITN. For the SEA Games, it seems it failed to gather any publicity too; the birthday of King ] had more press. Lets see in the closing ceremonies if becomes "news" or if something extraordinary happens when the games are underway. --'''] ] ]''' 02:44, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
::::::::I think this has about the same amout of merit as the IAAF. But they both appear/ed to suffer from the same problem, their articles are hardly 'ITN standard' ] (]) 19:19, 8 December 2007 (UTC)


*'''Oppose''' - 1) he already campaigned on doing this, so this action was entirely expected, 2) both withdrawals already happened last time, and 3) a ] for the 1st WHO withdrawal was made in July 7 2020 and failed to gain consensus. The Paris Agreement one was posted in June 2017, though I'd note that a second withdrawal doesn't have the same impact the original one did. This isn't the ''American'' Misplaced Pages; this is the English Misplaced Pages. Not everything that Donald Trump does needs to be ITN. And these executive orders were not the most important; he also signed an executive order (illegally) trying to end birthright citizenship for immigrants who came in illegally, declared a state of emergency at the southern border, and an executive order proclaiming only two genders. ] (]) 11:44, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
==December 5==
::The nominated article lists all of the orders. The selection of examples in the blurb can be expanded or amended to taste. ]🐉(]) 12:25, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
*A gunman ''']''' at a ] in ], ].
*'''Support.''' Front-page news in Europe, of international political significance. Also nice Bond villain headshot on the main page. <small><span style="border:1px solid black;padding:1px;">]</span></small> 11:46, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
*:{{ping|Sandstein}} All that's missing is a pair of tiny hands stroking a white cat. ] ] 16:52, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' Whilst these first orders might be more headline-friendly than usual, we aren't a Donald Trump news ticker. He also withdrew the USA from the Paris Agreement in 2017, so that's hardly surprising news at all. ] 12:07, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
:: We posted other unsurprising changes to international organizations recently such as Bulgaria joining Schengen and Indonesia joining BRICS. This bundle seems to be a bigger deal. ]🐉(]) 12:18, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
::: And then what about the next bundle? and the one after that? ] 15:17, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
::::It appears that this is an exceptional salvo but the nominated article will continue to cover any further orders. If the stream of orders remains a significant topic, as it is currently, then it can be put into Ongoing. ]🐉(]) 15:40, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' He promised this, this happened. There's nothing surprising here. In addition, the focus on Paris and WHO are likely the lowest of issues of importance that his EOs addressed, as there's far more furor over, for example, eliminating birthright citizenship (which is certainly going to be in legal limbo for a while). ITN is not a news ticker. --] (]) 12:57, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
*:There's a big difference between a promise and a decision that comes into effect (in this case, it's the former), and promises made by politicians during campaigns are usually not very reliable. He also promised to buy Greenland. Would you oppose it if that actually happens?--] (]) 13:53, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
*::If the actual legal transfer of Greenland from Denmark to the US actually happens, yes, but even EOs are not actual actions since most of these are likely to be tied up in legal actions ] (]) 14:29, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Oppose and snow close''' We are not a Trump news ticker. ] ] <span style="color:#C8102E;"><small><sup>(])</sup></small></span> 14:38, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Oppose and snow close''' a politician doing politics. We will talk about it when the country's withdrawal from the WHO and the Paris Agreement is formalized. ] (]) 15:08, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
*:Agreed, and only if those withdrawals get significant international news coverage (which it probably will), especially with the WHO. ] (]) 17:34, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Oppose'''. Routine government functions. Not everything Trump is news. ] (]) 15:10, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' ] (or a mention ITN). ] (]) 15:37, 21 January 2025 (UTC)


:'''Support''' - Front-page news everywhere ] (]) 15:44, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
Improvements on the wording of this suggestion welcome. –&nbsp;]&nbsp;<sup>(]&nbsp;·&nbsp;])</sup> 23:39, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
*'''Wait''' on the Paris Agreement and WHO withdrawals, '''oppose''' the other orders or lumping them together, '''strong oppose''' on quality. Taking the US out of the Paris Agreement is hugely consequential for the entire world, not just the US. I know Trump did the same thing in his first term, but the process took years and had barely taken effect when Biden reversed the decision. For that exact reason, we should wait until the US actually exits the agreement, not just Trump's order telling his officials to do so. The WHO is a similar situation though perhaps not quite as impactful. The other executive orders are domestic politics that ITN avoids, and lumping them all together to make one blurb is a bad idea. The article is just a list with no context or explanation of what these orders actually do, utterly unsuited to being a bold link on the Main Page. ] ] 15:50, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
:I agree. Will include it when TFA updates in a few mins time, to make sure it is a balanced page. ] (]) 23:56, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' all the above. It’s not even the top story of what Trump did yesterday or today, and likely won’t be tomorrow or the next day either. ''']''' - 16:08, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
::Thanks. If you have the time, you (or another admin) should also keep tabs on the article and supporting news articles for the next few hours (so that the dead/injured numbers remains accurate). –&nbsp;]&nbsp;<sup>(]&nbsp;·&nbsp;])</sup> 23:59, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' Agree with Modest Genius. This is a very poor nom barely defining what exactly is the main topic area for which to determine notability (we do not post broad lumpen lists like this). ITN regulars should not be making such mistakes. ] (]) 16:18, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
:::Done now. Will keep an eye out until I log off. ] (]) 00:10, 6 December 2007 (UTC)
* '''Oppose''' just signing a bunch of orders is very nonspecific. If there was one in particular that stuck out maybe, but this is simply too broad to be useful. Withdrawal from the climate accords and WHO may be more acceptable, but would be best left til they actually happen. ] (]) 17:34, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
:It looks like this news entry has been removed. I propose that it be put back up as soon as possible. ] (]) 01:14, 6 December 2007 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' This is not Trump's personal news station. Maybe the Paris Agreement and WHO withdrawals, but not all the executive orders he's signed in the past 24 hours. ] 18:18, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
::It was indeed removed, because the article ] has been nominated for deletion. ]]<sup>]</sup> 01:23, 6 December 2007 (UTC)
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:::AFD nom has been closed as '''keep''', so I'm going to take the liberty of bringing it back up. ] (]) 03:18, 6 December 2007 (UTC)
::::Didn't take long for you to notice :) '''''<font color="darkblue">]</font>''''' 03:22, 6 December 2007 (UTC)
::And this is of international importance how? Plus the article in question is using a disputed image. This should be removed, it satisfies very little to none of the criteria to be a ITN item. <b><i><font color="green">]</font></i></b> (]) 12:07, 6 December 2007 (UTC)
:::Just because something occurs in the United States doesn't mean it doesn't have international importance. I would expect a highly-covered news event of similar magnitude occurring in another country to be featured as well. ] (]) 15:17, 6 December 2007 (UTC)
::::I am just surprised an admin actually posted this. My concerns have not even been addressed and this seemingly satisfies none of the criteria. A rogue admin? <b><i><font color="green">]</font></i></b> (]) 21:45, 8 December 2007 (UTC)


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* The ] ] approves a ] with ] by a vote of 77 to 18, clearing the way for its implementation. --] (]) 21:42, 4 December 2007 (UTC)
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::Posted. Thanks, ]] 23:16, 4 December 2007 (UTC)
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:::Why do we have the passing of a single bill by a national legislature on the main page? I mean, sure there are going to be some implications for two countries in the world, but the US has enacted many kinds of similar laws with other countries over the last few years, and I cannot recall having seen those up (but correct me if i'm wrong on that). Unless it's something multilateral like CAFTA or the like i really don't think this merits any mention. I'm sure that very few people in either country even know about this law, and this is reflected in seeing nothing on either CNN, MSNBC or (as a control) BBCNews websites concerning this. Maybe it's not ITN significant. ] (]) 00:13, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
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::::I have to agree with the criticism. Unless there are some very significant riders on this bill, in which case they should be mentioned in the blurb and not just the law being passed, I don't think this merits inclusion. Another possible exception is that this bill represents some sweeping change in US foreign policy, again in which case that should recieve the primary billing in the blurb. ] (]) 01:54, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
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:::::Agreed, this is insignificant. --] - '']'' - ] 05:00, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
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Why was this removed? I don't see any substance in the arguments raised against it. ] is quite wrong when he says that ''very few people in either country even know about this law'', because although that's the case in the US, in Peru this ratification is the main news item in all of the country's media. As for it not being multilateral well, you can just take a look at the following proposal which actually made it to ITN and has stayed there. As for the ratification not being mentioned by the international media, that's totally wrong see for example or . After reading ] comment, I think the problem here is one of ] which is one of the flaws of Misplaced Pages. That's why Grant reasons "if its not important for the US then it is not important". I think that is a big mistake. --] (]) 17:28, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
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:Removing the mention of a bill passed by the US legislature is evidence of a bias ''towards'' the United States? I agree with you bias exists in general , but this is simply a case of something that it not very notable. It is not the first trade agreement signed by either country, nor is it a significant reversal of policy which might make it noteworthy. If, as you say, it is the biggest thing in the news in Peru, well then that's not enough. Also i must disagree with you, Grant.alpaugh never said what you allege, but rathe that if something were to happen that would mark a significant shift in US foreign policy, that might be classified as notable, but this is not the case. Blood Red Sandman, who removed this blurb from ITN listed his reason as insignificance, as such five people have weighed in that this story was not notable enough to mention on ITN, and two people have felt that it was. I think that speaks of consensus not to mention. ] (]) 18:12, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
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::It is an example of US centric bias because a couple of users have argued that as it is not important for the US (it does not appear on MSNBC for example) it is not relevant enough for ITN. That's Grant.alpaugh argument, if the agreement does not mark a fundamental shift in US politics it is not important. For Peru it does mark a very important shift as it implies a long range commitment with the US for the Peruvian economic policy not only in trade but also regarding labor and environmental laws. This is really important for this country, as much as a change of government because it of its long term consequences. Please explain why this is not enough?
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::As for consensus, please read ], discussions are decided by arguments and discussion, not voting. Of people opposing this item only two (] and ]) have expressed arguments, the other two have just agreed, not argued. --] (]) 18:32, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
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:::The reason I contested the inclusion of this item in ITN is because economic treaties between countries are a regular occurrance. The involvement between an industrial superpower like the US, Russia, China, Germany, etc. and a country in the developing world will obviously have more of an impact on the developing country than the industrial superpower. Therefore, the fact that this has a huge impact on the Peruvian community is simply not notable. Secondly, this treaty does not represent a very significant development opportunity for US interests, regardless of what the treaty's supporters say. Wal-Mart and Haliburton are not going to be relocating their corporate headquarters to Lima as a result of this treaty, nor are Peruvian goods going to start lining the shelves of Toys 'R Us and K-Mart in time for the holiday season here in the US. Also, I'm sure the AP wrote some procedural pieces for the BBC, MSNBC, the NYT, etc. to bury on their sites and inside their papers, but that happens for lots of things that don't make it to ITN. Listen, I'm sure this treaty does a lot of good for specific communities in both countries, but the simple fact remains that this story did not recieve significant coverage from the international media, nor is it of particular interest to very many people outside Peru, thus in my humble opinion, it does not meet the standards for ITN. ] (]) 19:49, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
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:::Also, your comment about consensus proves that it should have been removed, Victor. The fact that the people opposing are making reasonable arguments against the inclusion, as opposed to the two people other than yourself who have supported simply by saying so, shows that the item should have been removed. Simply wandering by the page and throwing your two cents in doesn't hold equal weight to giving several reasons why this should not be included. If it was, then[REDACTED] would run like a democracy. Thank God it doesn't. ] (]) 20:06, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
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'''Furthermore, the treaty isn't even implimented yet!!!''' This was just a procedural vote by the Senate. Both countries need to work out differences between the bills before this can go into effect. You want to accuse me of bias, but you assume that because the US passes something it goes into effect!? This shouldn't have even been suggested until it went into effect, because as of now any purported benefits of the treaty are just speculation. ] (]) 20:01, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
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:Let's keep it civil Grant, there's no need for this. But I would like to agree with Grant's earlier points in principle, but i think drawing inferences from the effects this agreement will have is beside the point. Simply put the news of two countries signing a free trade agreement is just not notable. Neither Grant, nor myself have ever said that this was not importrant, but as Grant said these kinds of agreements happen all the time and as such are not particularly notable. ] (]) 20:07, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
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::I was being perfectly civil. All I did was point out that the treaty hasn't even really been passed yet. The reason I might have been more aggressive than usual was the fact that I was being accused of having a systematic bias because my statement was misinterpreted, as you pointed out. I don't like having words put in my mouth, especially over something that as of yet is '''not even a story.''' Could it be that Victor is simply Peruvian and understandably thinks a big story in Peru is more notable than it really is? That being said I didn't mean to offent anyone, I just don't understand why this was even suggested. ] (]) 20:14, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
*'''Support''' Article is long enough and has enough citations to qualify for ITNRD. Cheers, ''atque supra''! ]]] 12:03, 23 January 2025 (UTC)
:::Hmmm... quite unconvincing still, let's see your arguments point by point
*'''Support''' B class article, Guardian obit. He died last year. ] (]) 14:29, 23 January 2025 (UTC)
:::*''The reason I contested the inclusion of this item in ITN is because economic treaties between countries are a regular occurrence'', the same could be said about elections, sport championships, and several other types of occurrences that happen regularly and make their way to ITN.
:::*''Therefore, the fact that this has a huge impact on the Peruvian community is simply not notable'', under this argument, the blurb on the Venezuelan referendum currently on the main page should be removed as it only impacts the Venezuelan community.
:::*''this treaty does not represent a very significant development opportunity for US interests'', there's a clear bias in this argument, are you implying that if it does not have a significant impact on the US it is not important?
:::*''Also, I'm sure the AP wrote some procedural pieces for the BBC, MSNBC, the NYT, etc. to bury on their sites and inside their papers'', actually no. While the NYT put online an yesterday yesterday, they wrote their for today's edition
:::*''but the simple fact remains that this story did not receive significant coverage from the international media'', the same could be said about the Togo election. Actually I cannot find a piece on the Togo election in the NYT.
:::*''This was just a procedural vote by the Senate. Both countries need to work out differences between the bills before this can go into effect'', actually, you have misread the article. With the Senate vote the treaty has been ratified by both countries, there's no difference between bills approved in Peru and in the US, what remains to be done is to adjust each country's legislation to the treaty so that it can come into effect, that's just a procedural issue.
:::*''because as of now any purported benefits of the treaty are just speculation'', that argument would imply that treaties should no go into ITN until their effects are known, years after their ratification.
:::*''Could it be that Victor is simply Peruvian and understandably thinks a big story in Peru is more notable than it really is?'', ] argument, irrelevant for the discussion.
:::To sum up, if you compare this piece with other items that get to ITN, it is quite clear that it is relevant and deserves inclusion. --] (]) 22:28, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
::::While it is clear this will not go up again i'd like to make some further points. First, elections are sacred on ITN, they fall into a separate category by themselves and cannot be compared. While i agree with you in principle about the issue of the Venezuelan constitution amendments, the fact of the matter is that the story got quite a lot of attention (it got signficant attention from 24-hour news channels, articles and follow-ups were printed about it in the New York Times and the NZZ (the newspapers i personally read), it was mentioned on the front page of most news websites, so one could conclude thet it is a notable story, if only because Pres. Chavez likes to criticize Pres. Bush. That's the sad truth of the matter.
::::Peruvian trade with the US totals $5.7bn in exports and $2.5bn in imports according to the 2006 figures I obtained from the World Factbook on cia.gov. As such this deal will have an effect on approximately 0.00047% of global exports and 0.00021% of global imports. Unless this deal is the magic salve that is going to shift that decimal spot a few places to the right, are you gonna tell me that this is one of the more significant things occuring in the world right now? ] (]) 23:15, 5 December 2007 (UTC)


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::::You've over parsed a lot of my arguments, breaking them down into segments that by themselves are easy to misconstrue and argue against. That being said I still disagree with most of what you're saying. Point by point:
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:::*While you will never hear me arguing that the results of the Danish parliamentary elections or the Davis Cup final should be included in ITN, elections and sporting events have unknown outcomes, the results of which are reported, as opposed to a bilateral trade agreement which often do not represent a significant change in policy for either country (examples of changes would be if the US agreed to end the embargo of Cuba, everyone agrees to stop trading with South Africa because of apartheid, etc.). Because the US and Peru are simply strengthening an existing trading relationship and not altering it in unforseen ways this treaty is simply not notable.
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:::*Venezuela's referendum had serious foreign policy implications on the world because Venezuela is a major exporter of oil. Also, the fact that Chavez's regime is generally agreed to be controvertial, the fact that it could have gone on in perpetuity with the passage of the referendum was a major issue for many different governments and their citizens. This US-Peru agreement has little effect on the US as a whole and since Peru (while a great nation with a fascinating culture, people, heritage, etc. I'm sure) is not exactly the biggest world player politically, economically, culturally, etc. the impacts just aren't of widesweeping international interest.
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:::*I'm '''not''' saying that because it doesn't impact the US significantly it isn't important. What I am saying is that because it is a bilateral trade agreement the only countries it can affect are the US and Peru. As explained above the US isn't affected very much and the effects on Peru simply aren't notable as far as ITN is concerned.
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:::*What page were these stories printed on and how much webspace did the stories get. Local dog trace results get printed in the NYT every day. That doesn't mean they are widely reported or of international interest.
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:::*The fact remains that the treaty is not in effect right now, which means that until it is, it should not have even been suggested.
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:::*What I'm saying is that the best reason you have for the inclusion of this item in ITN is that it has a huge effect on US-Peruvian relations, the economy of Peru, etc. and that reason is moot because for whatever reason is the case the treaty is not in effect right now.
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:::*All I'm doing is pointing out that from looking at your user page you probably (and understandably) have a bias being that you are obviously proud of your Peruvian heritage. There's nothing wrong with that. Heck, I'm sure I'm overzealous of including US based stories. What makes[REDACTED] work is that we all work to check each others particular biases, and if that means I pointed out a potential bias on your part then color me guilty. I'm sure this is a huger than huge story in Peru, but here on[REDACTED] it just isn't. ] (]) 23:22, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
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*'''Oppose''' Amateur sport. We post the Super Bowl as it is the top, professional event in football for the US.], ]<sup>]</sup> 01:18, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
:*Is it really amateur if most if not all of the payers are on sports scholarships to their respective colleges? ] (]) 03:22, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
::* Being amateur is irrelevant; we post the college basketball championship, which is ''not'' the top, professional event in its sport in the U.S. – and college football is actually more popular than that. ] (]) 01:23, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
::*:We largely refrain from posting amateur sports. Historically, we have only posted the top event in each sport for each country here. I see no reason to start posting the national championship for football now. ], ]<sup>]</sup> 01:25, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
::*:: {{tq|Historically, we have only posted the top event in each sport for each country here.}} – nope, not true. We post the less popular college basketball championship which is not the top basketball championship in the U.S. And college football is amateur in name only at this point: last year, over a dozen college players made more money from playing than ]. ] (]) 01:35, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
:::Yes, it is because it's not considered professional football. That is the NFL which college athletes graduate to when they are drafted by a team. A scholarship is different than a salary. ], ]<sup>]</sup> 03:35, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
::::Man, I hate to be the one to tell you about the NIL, but college players are being paid salaries now. ]] 21:21, 22 January 2025 (UTC)
:'''Support''' top level of college football, any claim that it is amateur is clearly coming from people who have never watched a game of D1 college football in their lives. ]] 00:02, 22 January 2025 (UTC)
::'College football' is not a separate sport. The top level of American Football is the Superb Owl. ] (]) 00:32, 22 January 2025 (UTC)
:::If "]" is a separate sport (we post the grey cup), then ] is also a separate sport, since the rules are just as different. I'm sure that Owl is really Superb. ]] 15:12, 22 January 2025 (UTC)
:'''Strong Support''' This is the major championship of probably the 2nd or 3rd most popular sport in the US. Anyone opposing on the basis of "amateur" status is so ill-informed that they really shouldn't be commenting at all. How it isn't ITN/R is beyond me. If this isn't ITN/R, then we need to get rid of about 2/3s of the recurring events listed on that page. ] (]) 16:01, 22 January 2025 (UTC)
::"This is the major championship..." - No, it's not. That's the Superbowl. This is nothing like that. ] (]) 16:49, 22 January 2025 (UTC)
I'm not American, and was commenting from an international perspective. College footballers obviously don't pay their own way. You internal definition is not a globally recognised one. ] (]) 04:54, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
:They make up to from side money like their share of college football video game name image license rights without getting paid (Spain website). Recent lawsuit made it illegal to not do that when NFL players get their cut of NFL video game right to use their name etc fees. ] (]) 16:52, 21 January 2025 (UTC)


*'''Comment''' It's still January 20 in America, so this should be moved to yesterday. ] (]) 01:19, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
Quite unsurprisingly a shooting at a US mall with zero international repercussions has got into ITN. It seems ITN just repeats the bias of international news agency (read English speaking international news agencies, mostly US based). As for what Thethinredline said, I know I'm fighting windmills, I'm just trying to make a point about the inherent bias in how ITN is constructed. If I understand what you are saying a story should be included only if it gets significant attention on English speaking news websites unless its an election, because elections are sacred. Then, Misplaced Pages is just repeating the bias of international news agencies which give more attention to US stories than those of developing countries. I bet that if the shooting had taken place in Congo or Laos it would have never made it into those agencies, let alone into ITN. The only attempt to rectify this bias is the inclusion of elections which, AFAIK is not a written guideline, just a usual practice. Why should it be the only exception? Shouldn't Misplaced Pages try to fight against systematic bias.
::Moved. ] (]) 01:22, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
:::It's not UTC date? ] (]) 01:39, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
::::ITNC should be posted on the date based on the date first reported, which we have usually taken to be in the country where the event happens if it is localized like that.<span id="Masem:1737428570781:WikipediaFTTCLNIn_the_news/Candidates" class="FTTCmt"> —&nbsp;] (]) 03:02, 21 January 2025 (UTC)</span>
*Can we stop proposing these noms before the winner of the game in question is determined? ] (]) 01:26, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
* '''Support''' on notability, once winner determined. This is a ''massive'', ''massive'' deal in the U.S. – the '''second biggest''' sporting event in the U.S. annually. Its becoming larger and more popular each year (notably, the size of the bracket was tripled this year) and increasingly more covered internationally (last year I presented articles on it in a dozen different countries on multiple continents) – over 700 players were non-US as of 2022 (""), and its amateur in name only: as shown above, 16 players made more playing college football last year than Super Bowl starting quarterback Brock Purdy (even one high school recruit I made an article for will receive for signing with a particular team). Not that being amateur would prevent posting, however, as we post the equivalent-but-less-popular college basketball championship. Attendance regularly gets near 100,000 for some teams, with most of the ] being for college football. I previously made a of the viewership for the college football championship compared to numerous other ITN events and it bested nearly ''every single one'' we post, including all but one of those in the U.S. That includes events such as the ], ] and the ], which the CFP beats by large margins. Further, describing this as a "second-tier" league to the NFL shows a fundamental misunderstanding of how college football works – its a whole different thing from the NFL. This is extremely obviously an event notable enough to post, and it deserves to be featured. ] (]) 02:18, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Wait''' The game is not over yet. ] (]) 02:36, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Support on notability''' per Beanie. ] ] <span style="color:#C8102E;"><small><sup>(])</sup></small></span> 04:27, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' - I’ve changed my view a bit on this, and I’ve come down on the side that this really isn’t that big a news story, and that we post way too many sports stories as is. Yes, it’s considerably bigger than many things in ITNR, but I think that’s best dealt with by paring ITNR down quite a bit and not posting what’s a fairly trivial story. ''']''' - 05:28, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' I've always been against posting amateur sport events (I'm still against posting the NCAA event though it was pushed through as an ITN/R item.), so my view on this is still a resounding no despite the claims about its commercial success. Moreover, there's no indication that this event has had any major impact on popularising the sport amongst the young population around the globe over the past 15 years as there are no newly established equivalent competitions in other countries (As a comparison, snooker has become a major sport in China over the same period.).--] (]) 08:40, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' not the top level of the sport. I don't think we should be posting ''any'' university sporting events (Boat Race, NCAA etc.) and have consistently opposed them all for years. Yes the NCAA basketball is currently on INTR, but I would rather see that removed from the list than compound the error by posting college football as well. I appreciate this event has an unusually outsized cultural impact in the US, including TV audience. However American football is really only popular in one country and we already post the Superbowl every year - that's enough coverage for what is a minority sport in global terms. The argument that college football and the NFL are different sports is spurious - there are only ], less than the difference between NHL and IIHF ice hockey, which no-one considers different sports. ] ] 12:17, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
*:Is Canadian football a different sport? Its cup is rightfully on+its rules are ] that their attempt @ a binational expansion+some but not all crossover players failed but similar enough that many Canadians are fans of American football or both. Even 1st or 2nd college football draft picks can+have failed to adjust to the NFL the strategy's different. More games, longer season, smaller rosters, better defense, less off-season to try to fully recover from that, lower average scores. Defense is so hard to learn they rarely if ever master it till they're already in NFL. ] (]) 17:27, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' per Modest Genius. ] (]) 15:09, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Comment''' Considering that new ] deals mean that top college players make more than some low-end professional players, can we really consider NCAA college ball to be 'amateur'? Cheers, ''atque supra''! ]]] 17:41, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' - We don't post the Boat Race, we don't post other nations' student events, we shouldn't post this. (And we also shouldn't post NCAA Basketball.) ] (]) 23:37, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Support''' — Nowadays, college football isn't really an "amateur" version of American football but rather just a different version of it, one that is massively popular in the United States (and, in ITNC lingo, whose conclusion was widely covered by reliable sources). And I disagree with the idea that we only post the "top" competition in each sport. The World Cup is undoubtedly the highest and most prestigious level of competition in international football, but we still post the UEFA Euro and Copa America, for instance. And, of course, as many have mentioned, we do indeed post the NCAA college basketball tournament in the U.S. ] (]) 01:08, 22 January 2025 (UTC)
*:College football playoffs last year had about 15 M viewers. The Super Bowl nearly 100 M. The latest World Cup was estimated to be 5 billion worldwide. It is extremely clear that association football has massive worldwide interest that featuring only the World Cup would be trivializing the sport. ] (]) 01:20, 22 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Support''' Quality article, covered widely in the press. In general, I favor posting major university-level sporting events as long as there is a quality article. ''']'''<sup>]]</sup> 03:15, 22 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' Whilst I wouldn't post the NCAA either, I can at least admit that it gets decent coverage outside the USA, i.e. on BBC Sport. This event, however, does not appear in the news to that level at all - for example there does not appear to be a BBC Sport story on it at all; there ''is'' a Sky Sports story but it's not on the front pages and is indeed buried down as the 7th story on the NFL page. ] 15:23, 22 January 2025 (UTC)
** International coverage? You mean like , in , , , , , , , , , , , and last year there was also Israel, Japan and others? ] (]) 17:06, 22 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Support'''. Admittedly I am a Buckeye so I do have a bit of bias, but I believe that the amount of international coverage described to by BeanieFan is sufficient to warrant inclusion. Plus, college football is easily one of the most internationally significant parts of American culture, up there with apple pie. Some teams such as Bama have sizable followings across Mexico, China, Australia, and Western Europe (per ) <b><span style="color:#0080FB">Invading</span><span style="color:#0668E1">Invader</span></b> (], ]) 14:05, 23 January 2025 (UTC)


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As for what Grant.alpaugh said, the argument that elections or sporting events have unknown outcomes is clearly not true for all cases. Furthermore, the outcome of the Senate vote on the US-Peru TPA was not guaranteed as Democrats had campaigned hard against free trade agreements for quite a while. This is the first such treaty that has been approved since they took over a majority in Congress. Your second argument about Peru not being a major international player would just mean that little countries (read poor or developing countries) don't deserve space on ITN. As for how much webspace do this stories get, do news websites in Spanish count or only English speaking ones? As for the treaty not being in effect, that reasoning would imply excluding the signing of a new ] or a major breakthrough at the ] until they come into effect which can take place years after their signature. --] (]) 17:52, 6 December 2007 (UTC)
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| blurb = ] perpetrated by the ] in the ], Colombia, results in more than 100 deaths and several others injured, kidnapped and displaced. <!-- Add your suggestion of the blurb; should be written in simple present tense. -->
| recent deaths = no <!-- (yes/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Recent deaths" line -->
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| altblurb = ] in the ] of Colombia leave several people dead, kidnapped and displaced, while ] ] declares ]. <!-- An alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| altblurb2 = ] by the ] in the ] of Colombia leave more than a hundred people dead, and ] ] declares ]. <!-- A second alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
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*'''Support on notability''' as it’s a major escalation of the previously-quiet Colombian conflict. '''Oppose on quality''', however, as the article’s still quite short. ] ] <span style="color:#C8102E;"><small><sup>(])</sup></small></span> 02:56, 20 January 2025 (UTC)
*:Waiting for updated news; I have difficulties editing infoboxes, could someone help me? ] (]) 03:01, 20 January 2025 (UTC)
*::@] Tried my best to do so. ] ] <span style="color:#C8102E;"><small><sup>(])</sup></small></span> 03:13, 20 January 2025 (UTC)
*:::Thanks! Improvements {{done}}. @]: better now? ] (]) 04:04, 20 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' Per the ], this war has been ongoing since 1964 and there were over two thousand deaths last year. And the similar cartel/drug wars in Mexico are even worse. This incident is therefore just a drop in the ocean and not significant per ]. ]🐉(]) 15:59, 20 January 2025 (UTC)
*:@] it’s been decades since any single attack in this conflict has killed anything even close to this many people. Are you genuinely serious? ] ] <span style="color:#C8102E;"><small><sup>(])</sup></small></span> 16:20, 20 January 2025 (UTC)
*::The nomination is for a "series of attacks" not a single attack. The ] gets its numbers from ]. This has a . This includes a chart of "Violent events involving armed groups" for each year from 2018 to 2024 and these seem quite steady with about 2,000 killed each year. Q.E.D. ]🐉(]) 17:11, 20 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Support''' - this is clearly in the news per and 80 people killed is way beyond the unofficial never-to-be-mentioned "]" threshold that I would personally consider an indicator of significance. Quality looks reasonable for a short article too &nbsp;&mdash;&nbsp;] (]) 16:17, 20 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Support''' per Amakuru, he said it perfectly. It's in the news, an unusually high number of deaths, and the article quality is sufficient given the recent nature of the attacks (shorter is to be expected when recency is a factor). ]]] ] 20:26, 20 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Posted''' ]] 23:54, 20 January 2025 (UTC)
*:@]: please, include "results in more than a hundred deaths and several others injured, kidnapped and displaced". It is a important part of the event. ] (]) 00:00, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
*::Better: "''] in the ] of Colombia leave several people dead, kidnapped and displaced, while ] ] declares ]''". ] (]) 01:35, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
*:::Those are details best left to the article. ]] 02:26, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
*::::Not about the state of emergency declaration. ] (]) 02:37, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
*: {{ping|Stephen}} An ] used "A series of wildfires leave'''s'''". Is "A series of attacks leave" intentional here? ] (]) 11:35, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
*::Fixed, thanks. ]] 18:50, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
*:::@]: I think to add "''while ] ] declares ]''" is appropriate. ] (]) 21:16, 21 January 2025 (UTC)


==== RD: Cecile Richards====
:This is clearly not going to be reposted, so this will probably be my last post here. That being said, I've never argued that the shooting should be included in ITN, but if pushed, I think I'd have to support its inclusion on the grounds that the shooting was in a mall during the middle of Christmas shopping season. The economies of literally dozens of nations and billions of people depend on American shoppers during the holiday season, especially one about which there has already been significant ammounts of doubt as to the spending patterns of shoppers. Either way ]. Secondly, if you can come up with a better indicator of what is notable than coverage by the international news media, I'd love to hear it. Thirdly, unless a sporting event or election has been fixed, the outcome is inherently unknown. Either way it will not have been reported yet, which means its update (if sufficiently notable) merits inclusion. Fourth, if you honestly believe this treaty presents a significant change in US foreign of economic policy, that's an argument you'll have a hard time winning. The US already had normalized economic and dimplomatic relations with Peru before this treaty and vice versa. This treaty will have little impact on the US economy or foreign policy. The impact it will have on Peru has not been widely reported and as such is not sufficiently notable or of international interest. Fifth, my argument about Peru not being a terribly significant international player did '''not''' mean that stories concerning those countries are inherently not notable. What it '''did''' mean was that because to be ITN a story has to be an item of international interest, the effects (however large) on just one, small country do not meet that standard. Unless those effects fit into a broader, more internationally relevent theme or story, they are just not notable, and hence are not highly covered by reliable sources. Sixth, because this is the English language wikipedia, we generally grant more weight to English language sources, as they are a better measure of what matters to English speakers, who are our audience. That is not to say that '''only''' English sources count, but I would guess that the only sources that are widely covering this story are based in Peru, and not in Mexico City, Madrid, etc. Finally, the Kyoto Protocol is of '''MUCH''' greater significance than this treaty, and as such was the subject of much more international attention and media coverage, but I'll drop my argument that the effects have to be known before they are included. ] (]) 22:16, 6 December 2007 (UTC)
{{ITN candidate
::So now that you dropped the effects argument, let's see what remains. As for the shooting, the whole "this can jeopardize the Christmas shopping season" argument is quite weak. I don't think anybody would buy it, it's not mentioned in the relevant article nor in news websites. So basically, this item is being posted in ITN just because it happened in the USA. As for your reference to ] that applies to deletion debates not to ITN. A comparison with other news items that get to the main page is quite relevant here as proposals are competing against each other to get into ITN, thus the same criteria should apply to all of them to decide whether they are included or not.
| article = Cecile Richards
::As for a better indicator of what is notable, the inclusion of elections ("sacred" elections) is a clear example that ITN does not follow international news agencies always, editors can decide to include other items that they think are notable. That's the whole point of this discussion page. News agencies are an important part of proposal discussions but not the only criteria. As for the treaty's impact on the US I've already stated above that I don't think it has major relevance for the US. What I tried to argue was that the outcome of this vote was not as predictable as you seemed to imply.
| recent deaths = yes
::As for ''What it did mean was that because to be ITN a story has to be an item of international interest, the effects (however large) on just one, small country do not meet that standard'' that's an argument for the exclusion of elections in minor countries such as Togo, clearly that's not a principle set on stone for ITN. As for ''English speakers, who are our audience'' I haven't seen that written as part of Misplaced Pages policy, please point a link. The only thing remotely similar is that we should use the English language, but I've never read that en.wiki should cater to the interests and POV of English speakers. As a matter of fact, I think that would go against WP:NPOV which is a fundamental Misplaced Pages principle.
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::Finally, here are some links about the treaty coverage in Spanish news sources: , , , , , , . What I'm trying to say is that ITN needs to at least try to avoid bias, that's the point of discussions here. How can it be that a minor shooting has a greater priority than a treaty that will affect the lives of 28 million people and a whole country? Don't you think this is a little strange? --] (]) 18:06, 7 December 2007 (UTC)
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<s>:'''Weak oppose''' 2 uncited awards at the end, but the article looks good otherwise. ] (]) 15:14, 20 January 2025 (UTC)</s>
:::The only reason I'm replying to this is that some of these last arguments are so ridiculous they must be answered. First, the idea that an English language encyclopedia targets people who communicate in English is so self explanitory, I don't think any more explanation is necessary. Its not even like this is the Simple English Misplaced Pages, which is for translating into other languages. Additionally, attempting to introduce '''your''' POV into this encyclopedia is not tantamount to defending NPOV. Your opinion as a Peruvian that an event which effects Peru and little else is worthy of inclusion ITN, does not mean it satisfies the requirements that an item be of significant international interest or importance to be ITN. Finally, I '''did not''' say that non-English sources don't matter, I just said that if there is no significant international coverage in the English language about this item, it would be very hard for it to make it ITN. ] (]) 21:35, 7 December 2007 (UTC)
*'''Support''' Article has enough citations and length for ITNRD. The uncited awards have photo evidence in the article. Cheers, ''atque supra''! ]]] 15:46, 20 January 2025 (UTC)
Victor12, I understand you care about this subject. Otherwise you wouldn't have improved the article, or nominated this for ITN. And I can understand that you're not happy to see it removed. But your ranting and the baseless accusations of bias will get you nowhere. Please assume good faith, and remain civil. ]]<sup>]</sup> 16:07, 8 December 2007 (UTC)
*:I see another citation in the article for the presidential award but nothing for the Legion of Honour. ] (]) 15:48, 20 January 2025 (UTC)
*''']''' is appointed ] after the ]. ] 03:35, 4 December 2007 (UTC)
*::I am only finding it on Instagram, so far. &ndash;&nbsp;]&nbsp;(]) 15:54, 20 January 2025 (UTC)
::Posted. Could I also take this opportunity to urge suggesters to feel free to pad their blurbs with some relevant detail? I believe we're up to 8 ITN items and still balanced with the, admittedly long, TFA blurb. Thanks, ]] 04:51, 4 December 2007 (UTC)
*:::In that case, I'm challenging and removing the claim. Instagram isn't an RS for addding an award like this. '''Support''' on quality. ] (]) 17:15, 20 January 2025 (UTC)


====(Closed) Second inauguration of Donald Trump ====
== December 2 ==
{{atop|comment = ] closing. Consensus to post will not develop. Cheers, ''atque supra''! ]]] 15:32, 20 January 2025 (UTC)}}
*] ]er ''']''' surpasses ]'s world record of 708 ]s, in his 114th ]. ''']''' 07:52, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
{{ITN candidate
:Support. Notable record unlikely to be beaten any time soon. ] 16:22, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
| article = Second inauguration of Donald Trump <!-- Do not wikilink -->
::For context, there are only five people with 500+ Test wickets. Apart from Murali, only ] is still active and he is 140 wickets behind and older and therefore unlikely to pass him. The next active player with 416 is Shaun Pollock who has been dropped and then it is ] with 319. All are of similar age to Murali within 2 years and can't make up 400 wickets in 2 years (takes at least 7-8 years to get 400) . ''']''' ('']'') 02:43, 4 December 2007 (UTC)
| image = Donald Trump official portrait.jpg
:Comment:For context and comparison, ]' record milestone was acknowledged by ITN. The significance isn't, however, adequately conveyed by a single paragraph. Can it be expanded, perhaps with the reactions of ] and other contemporaries? ] (]) 18:39, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
| blurb = ] is inaugurated for a second non-consecutive term as ].
::Posted. I've been convinced that this is considered significant, though the sport still seems like something devised by a person convinced that baseball is too fast-paced. ;) Thanks, ]] 04:51, 4 December 2007 (UTC)
| recent deaths = no <!-- (yes/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Recent deaths" line -->
:This is not even the lead story in BBC Sport... --'''] ] ]''' 06:04, 4 December 2007 (UTC)
| ongoing = no <!-- (add/rem/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Ongoing" line -->
| ITNR = no <!-- 'No' by default. Only put in 'yes' if the event is listed at WP:ITNR -->
| altblurb = ] and ] are inaugurated as ] and ] of the United States.
| altblurb2 = <!-- A second alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| sources = <!-- Include one or more references from verifiable, reliable sources. -->
| updated = <!-- (yes/no); Leave blank if you aren't sure -->
| nominator = JohnAdams1800 <!-- Do NOT change this -->
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| nom cmt = This occurs at noon EST today.<!-- Additional comments go here -->
| sign = ] (]) 14:30, 20 January 2025 (UTC) <!-- Do NOT change this -->
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*'''Oppose''' - A routine event that is the consequence of another event - the November election - which we already covered. ] (]) 14:37, 20 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' Consensus in the past has been against the posting of inaugurations. ] (]) 14:39, 20 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Oppose'''. We already posted the election results and don't double up with inaugurations as well. Also, it hasn't happened yet. ] ] 14:40, 20 January 2025 (UTC)


:'''Strong oppose''' we posted the election months ago. Unless we see another capitol attack, there's hardly anything notable about this inauguration over the election that preceded it. Except, it's taking place... inside? In that case, we should post the cold wave that's affecting half of the US today, because I can tell you right now that's actually going to be newsworthy even if it isn't posted. ] (]) 14:40, 20 January 2025 (UTC)
::YOUR'E not even the lead story on BBC Sport... :P
:'''Support''' meets all the criteria for posting. It is in the news (very much so), it is notable and with some minor improvements the article will be up to shape. ] (]) 14:46, 20 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' presidential inaugurations are not ITNR nor ITN-worthy. Consensus must be kept in mind so as not to have this discussion every four years. And in fact, the formal ceremony has not even begun. ] (]) 14:58, 20 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Oppose and snow close''' per above. ] ] <span style="color:#C8102E;"><small><sup>(])</sup></small></span> 15:08, 20 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Strong oppose''' Trump was already elected in November, this is just a normal consequence of that. We didn't post Biden's inauguration nor Trump's first. OTD already has a link to Inauguration Day for anyone looking for it on the front page. ] (]) 15:20, 20 January 2025 (UTC)
{{abot}}


== January 19 ==
::But seriously, this has to be included. Test cricket is the highest level of the sport and this is probably the most important record in that arena. This has to be ITN. ] 09:03, 4 December 2007 (UTC)
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:::That means we ought to include records in the highest level of ], that's about 2 billion people who care about that sport. :P --'''] ] ]''' 09:10, 4 December 2007 (UTC)
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==== (Posted) RD: Jeff Torborg ====
::::If there is a major kabaddi competition that major, english news outlets in several countries are providing significant coverage of then yes I would support that for inclusion. Give us a handful of sources and you've got my vote. From my very, VERY cursory examination it appears this is little more than recreational activity. There don't appear to be any major leagues, and while there is a world championship, I would remind you that in this day and age of unprecidented travel and communications capabilities there are international championships for almost everything from watermelon seed spitting to lawn mower riding. You can't seriously suggest that the same level of attention is given to kabaddi as is given to cricket or baseball. I think you're confusing people being "aware that a sport exists" with "caring about it," ie how many people would pay money and/or travel to watch a competition, what ammount of media coverage does it get, etc. appear to me at least to be a better criteria. ] 10:33, 4 December 2007 (UTC)
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| article = Jeff Torborg
| recent deaths = yes
| sources =
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| nominator = Muboshgu <!-- Do NOT change this -->
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*'''Support''' Article is well cited and has enough length for ITNRD. Cheers, ''atque supra''! ]]] 01:41, 20 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Posted''' ]] 23:57, 20 January 2025 (UTC)


==== (Ready) RD: Kulanthai Shanmugalingaml ====
:::::Which brings me to... this piece of news isn't widely reported. Ergo, it's not news fit for ITN. ] saying he'd consider the England job (take note, he was appointed, or even interviewed by The FA, he merely considered it) was BBC Sport's lead story when the news broke out. This hasn't had the effect of Bonds hitting the record-breaking HR. --'''] ] ]''' 12:36, 4 December 2007 (UTC)
{{ITN candidate
| article = Kulanthai Shanmugalingam
| recent deaths = yes
| sources =
| updated = Yes
| nominator = Abishe <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| updaters = Kanags, Abishe, Editrite!
| nom cmt = prominent historian, dramatist and playwright in Sri Lanka
| sign = ] (]) 09:50, 19 January 2025 (UTC) <!-- Do NOT change this -->
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*'''Support''' Article has enough length and citations to be placed on ITNRD. Cheers, ''atque supra''! ]]] 17:42, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Ready'''. No concerns found. Marked as ready. ] (]) 03:50, 23 January 2025 (UTC)


==== (Closed) Restrictions on TikTok in the United States ====
::::::BBC Sport isn't the only source that matters. Again with these ridiculous brightlines, Howard? This was the top story on Sky Sports News (ahead of Mourinho's alleged negotiations with the FA) and many other news sources. Cricket is a gigantic sport worldwide, and especially on the Indian subcontinent. As you pointed out during the Bonds debate, hundreds of millions of English speakers live on the Indian subcontinent, where cricket is the most popular sport. This is a massive story, regardless of whether people in the Philippenes think it is. ] 12:56, 4 December 2007 (UTC)
{{closed top|result=Withdrawn. Royiswariii 23:22, 19 January 2025 (UTC)}}
{{ITN candidate
| article = Restrictions on TikTok in the United States
| image = TikTok_mobile_block_message_US.png
| blurb = Social media platform ] (message pictured) ''']''' after its parent company ] fails to ]. <!-- Add your suggestion of the blurb; should be written in simple present tense. -->
| recent deaths = no <!-- (yes/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Recent deaths" line -->
| ongoing = no <!-- (add/rem/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Ongoing" line -->
| ITNR = no <!-- 'No' by default. Only put in 'yes' if the event is listed at WP:ITNR -->
| altblurb = Social media ] (message pictured) is officially ''']''' following ] inability to comply with a government mandate to transfer ownership to a U.S. entity.<!-- An alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| altblurb2 = Social media platform ] is ''']''' (message pictured) following ]'s inability to comply with a government mandate to transfer ownership to a U.S. entity.
| altblurb3 = Social media platform ] is ''']''' (message pictured) in anticipation of ].
| sources = <!-- Include one or more references from verifiable, reliable sources. -->
| updated = <!-- (yes/no); Leave blank if you aren't sure -->
| nominator = Royiswariii <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| creator = Ageofultron <!-- Editor who created the article, if relevant -->
| updaters = <!-- Editor(s) who significantly updated the article, separated by commas -->
| nom cmt = Also, nominated by ]<!-- Additional comments go here -->
| sign = ] ] 04:16, 19 January 2025 (UTC) <!-- Do NOT change this -->
:'''Strong support''' lmao this is big coming from the country that promotes "free <s>speach</s> speech" <span style="text-shadow:#000 0em 0em 1em">]&nbsp;] (])</span> 08:13, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
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:*Two things: first off, it is ''speech'', not ''"speach"'', and secondly, how on Earth does that constructively add to the discussion on whether or not to add it to ITN? Seems merely like a way to ragebait people from the U.S... Cheers, ''atque supra''! ]]] 12:43, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
:*:my bad lol, I mean it is everywhere in the news so why not support that (and it might've been a small rage bait) <span style="text-shadow:#000 0em 0em 1em">]&nbsp;] (])</span> 12:47, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
* '''Support''' - Major country banning a major website, unprecedented in the United States. --] (]) 04:19, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
*:Thank you, @]
*:I think the '''Blurb''' was okay or '''Alt1''' what do you think? ] ] 04:20, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
*::@] or it's okay to add the image since the tiktok logo is in Public domain? What do you think. ] ] 04:22, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
*:::@Royiswariii I added an image of their American headquarters. --] (]) 04:24, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
*::::Okay, thank you! ]] 04:26, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
:'''Support with modifications'''. ''Shutdown ''is a noun, so it should say "''shut down ''in the United States". ] (]) 05:18, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
::{{small|Fixed. ] (]) 06:40, 19 January 2025 (UTC)}}
:'''Oppose -''' This is literally just the ban coming into effect, which everyone knows. You should have made the court decision on that day ITN. ] (]) 05:21, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
::Also Trump may give leniency and suspend the enforcement for 90 days, so its not like it even matters. ] (]) 05:22, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
* '''Support''' Notable and widely covered ] (]) 04:23, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
:'''Support''' the original altblurb II. ''Social media platform TikTok shuts down in the United States'', as it doesn't lay the blame squarely on ByteDance. The ban isn't premised just on American legal compliance, but also on the wider geopolitics of platform ecosystems. ] (]) 04:26, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
:'''Support''' first blurb. Obviously notable ] (]) 04:29, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
::Alt2 actually. And I think the ban image fits better ] (]) 04:33, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
::'''Oppose''' It was just a fucking Trump PR stunt ] (]) 19:18, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Support original blurb''' Of course. ] (]) 04:31, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
* '''Strong support''' ] (]) 04:34, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' as being too soon. Trump has said he will grant a 90-day extension to TikTok to get a buyer (but can only do that after he is in office), so it could easily be back on the 20th or 21st, making this a very short term thing. --] (]) 04:36, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
** Also, all current blurbs are wrong. Bytedance didn't do any shopping for a buyer, likely expecting a friendly ruling from SCOTUS, which ruled the bill was constitutional on Friday, and thus never came. If anything, the blurb should be along the lines of "After SCOTUS ruled Protecting Americans from Foreign Adversary Controlled Applications Act was constitutional, TikTok opts to shut down options in the United States." --] (]) 04:39, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
**:Your reasoning here is why I would support this, but not yet. ByteDance has no intentions of selling it. China will not permit them to sell the algorithms, and the app/servers are basically useless to any potential buyer other than another major social media company if they don't come with the algorithms to drive profit/content/engagement. Since all the potential social media outlets have a competitor form of short video already... unless Trump's going to buy it and incorporate it into Truth Social, it's extremely unlikely that a sale will ever occur. And TikTok knows this - they'd rather keep it offline and lobby for the law to be repealed than bring it back for 90 days and then go through this again in 90 days. -bɜ:ʳkənhɪmez &#124; ] &#124; ] 04:44, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
**::Let's put it this way - TikTok's own message to users say they expect this to be temporary (see ), and that's likely why we'll see something that gives more clarity to the situation on the 20th/21st when Trump can do something (and has stated intentions to do this). Hence now is too since we know we'll have a change in the situation in the next few days, which if this brings TikTok back, would have the same effect as an extended network outage, which we shouldn't be posting.<br style="margin-bottom:0.5em"/>I also have a feeling that there are some that see this as a first amendment/free speech thing, making it seem like a big deal, but SCOTUS specifically ignored anything along those lines and focused on the national security complexities of a Chinese owner with data on 170 million Americans, justifying that that company should not be doing business in the US.<span id="Masem:1737262562902:WikipediaFTTCLNIn_the_news/Candidates" class="FTTCmt"> —&nbsp;] (]) 04:56, 19 January 2025 (UTC)</span>
**:::I'm not a american citizen but I do believe that Trump will intervene on ban of TikTok, I think it's a little bit long process to back the TikTok and move the date of ban. But, we will see on January 20th. ] ] 05:02, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
**:::I have no problem waiting until the inauguration or at least until we get more mumbling from the Trump circle about their plans. Ultimately, this may result in a complicated situation - the law states that the ban can be delayed once for up to 90 days if the following (per our article on the law): {{tq|a path to a qualified divestiture has been identified, "significant" progress has been made to executing the divestiture, and legally binding agreements for facilitating the divestiture are in place}}. There is no path that has been identified (China will block all paths), there has not been ''any'' progress made other than some blabbing on social media, and there are no legally binding agreements in place. So technically, if Trump offers an extension.. he himself is violating the provisions of the law as passed by Congress.
**:::Hence why I think TikTok may not be saying "temporary" hoping for a 90 day extension (just to repeat in 3 months), but saying that because they believe they can get Congress to repeal the law. -bɜ:ʳkənhɪmez &#124; ] &#124; ] 05:05, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
**::::Well, for example, one company has submitted a merge request which would appear to sufficiently dilute the foreign control which would be more appealing to China . Also, fwiw, the 90-day extension in the law is a one-shot deal, they cannot keep getting another new 90 day extension (hence why the terms of granting it are based on significant progress towards divestment). ] (]) 05:11, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
**:::::I personally think that a merge where ByteDance retains any access or ownership does not meet the spirit of "qualified divestiture" under the law... And what I meant by "repeat in 3 months" is repeat shutting down... but I feel I'm getting into FORUM now so I'll end it with I think we agree - let's wait until at least the daytime Sunday and then depending on what news comes out it can be considered for posting. -bɜ:ʳkənhɪmez &#124; ] &#124; ] 05:29, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Wait''' to see what news comes out throughout the day Sunday US time, in case there is a magical hail mary pass that's been in the works behind the scenes that comes out of the woodworks and gets this extended or, ultimately, rendered moot by a "qualified divestiture". -bɜ:ʳkənhɪmez &#124; ] &#124; ] 05:31, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Support Alt blurb 3'''; it's worth mentioning the ]. ] (] · ]) – <small>(] <span style="color:#4dac8b;">♥</span>)</small> 05:38, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Comment''' Should ] be used instead of the current skinny image? ]] 05:44, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
*:@], I think yeah 'cause it's readable than the first one. ] ] 05:57, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
::Changed. ] (] · ]) – <small>(] <span style="color:#4dac8b;">♥</span>)</small> 06:17, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
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*'''Support ALT3'''. It is better to just cite the undisputed legislative reason why the app is banned instead of singularly assigning failure or claiming there was an inability to comply. This is major news, regardless of what happens after Trump comes into office. If something happens, that can be revisited and the blurb edited, and even then the talk seems to be about a final decision in 90 or so days, which is plenty of time between this blurb and a hypothetical further blurb. -- ] - <sup>]</sup>/<sub>]</sub> 06:16, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' per SimpleSubCubicGraph ] (]) 06:50, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Wait''' - agree with Masem, let's wait and see what happens. ] (]) 07:45, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Comment''' For those saying "it's too soon" or "it'll be overturned quickly", the important thing is that it's in the news '''now'''. We posted the South Korean martial law declaration and it had already been rescinded by the time it was on the front page. Whether it's overturned or not, this is still a notable news event. ] (]) 08:06, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
*:@], I agree but I respect their opinion. If TikTok was lift the ban by the new U.S. President ], then, just nominate it. ] ] 09:03, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
*:A coup of a major gov't, even if it was undone within hours, is far far more encyclopedic and newsworthy than an app that may be shuttered for only a few days.<span id="Masem:1737290304296:WikipediaFTTCLNIn_the_news/Candidates" class="FTTCmt"> —&nbsp;] (]) 12:38, 19 January 2025 (UTC)</span>
*'''Oppose''' TikTok is already banned in various places – see map. And other software and sites are banned too – see map for Misplaced Pages. So, this particular ban in this particular place is not that special. ]🐉(]) 08:47, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
*:We're talking about the law of banning of TikTok on United States or U.S.A., The notable news now is the shutting down of TikTok on '''U.S.'''. As per PolarManne comment, the important thing is what it is in the news now and if it's notable, the TikTok ban on U.S. is notable at all 'cause it's have major impact on the whole U.S., if the upcoming U.S President Donald Trump intervene and lift the ban and give the extension for ], then we can nominate a another separate news on this. ] ] 09:49, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
*:: It doesn't seem that this will have much impact because there are lots of equivalents on other platforms. See ]🐉(]) 12:09, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
*:::Have you been on social media recently? ] (]) 12:53, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
*:::the article Kevin Roose of ] is a opinion article. I respected the opinions of the journalist about the ban of TikTok, In some people who don't use or not really use of TikTok, not have a impact. According to NBC, the user of TikTok on U.S. is around the U.S., so, this news was notable and have a huge impact to U.S.A users. ] ] 12:59, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
*:::Facebook has over 3 billion users and so its recent policy changes which were in the news have a bigger impact, for example. ]🐉(]) 17:58, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Strong support''' One of the most cited in the news about a social media platform ban in any country. 170 million people got banned from the app. If this isn't posted, nothing should be posted. ] (]) 10:35, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' - obvious Americocentrism. India has banned TikTok since June 29, 2020 and that wasn't even ] for ITN, let alone a successful one. The ban could very well be reversed or an extension granted by the incoming Trump administration; such an event would render this nomination redundant. ] (]) 11:22, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' per all above. ] (]) 12:05, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
*:*'''Oppose''' Another day, another ban. The US has banned plenty of other apps and companies from doing business. Just another drop in the bucket.
*:], ]<sup>]</sup> 13:30, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
*::How many of those were used by 170 million Americans? ] (]) 15:57, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' Not banned yet, voluntary action by Bytedance. And generally oppose as well: not the first thing on the internet to be banned by the US government. If ] has an impact beyond this single app, may reconsider. ] (]) 14:30, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
*:I'm still on oppose, but a few corrections: They had to have divested by today (the 19th) or otherwise the apps stores would be required to remove the app. That said, Bytedance took a more nuclear option of shutting down completely in the US (in addition to app store removal), which has affected a few more apps that fall under the ByteDance umbrella (eg like ]). Neither of those points still make this an appropriate ITN item since we know the situation could easily change in the next two days. Also, PAFACA is written to apply to other apps if they are found to be controlled by an hostile foreign country, but they would have 180-270 days from that determination to divest or pull from stores; ByteDance/TikTok were specifically called out in the bill and with the 19th deadline, but its not intended to end with those. ] (]) 14:39, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
*:@] ] and ] are also banned at the same time as TikTok, though both apps are also owned by Bytedance. ]] 14:58, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
*:From the above replies I again gather that this does not go beyond Bytedance. Considering that act itself was introduced from the get go as the "]", I am still waiting to see any impact beyond this or the company that owns it. ] (]) 15:05, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
* '''Oppose''' as per above ] (]) 14:39, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Wait''' or '''Strong oppose''' As mentioned above by other editors, it's just another app blocked by the US. When India banned Tiktok, the app lost about 200 million active users,<ref>{{cite web |title=Why did India ban Tiktok? |url=https://productmonk.io/p/tiktok-india |website=Product Monk |access-date=19 January 2025}}</ref> which as mentioned by the IP, wasn't even nominated. And if Trump is going to come around and reverse the ban, it would be worthless to get it posted. If we are going to post this, I support a date after Trump's coming into office, such as 20th or 21st ''']''' (]) 14:45, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' per Masem ] (]) 15:50, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''<s>Support</s>''' The US government banning a Chinese-owned app used by 170 million American users is clearly notable, for all the reasons already mentioned, as well as for its geopolitical implications. These latter are why this ban is making more waves than when India banned the app. Would prefer AltBlurb III: Bytedance wasn't unable to comply - it didn't want to so far. Alternative would be to replace "inability to comply" by "failure to comply". ] (]) 15:54, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
:: Changing my vote to '''Oppose''' given the latest developments. ] (]) 19:03, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
* As another reason to wait, Trump has now confirmed that he will EO the 90-day extension on Monday or Tuesday to allow TikTok to find a buyer , so this is going to be a temporary outage. ] (]) 16:11, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Strong support'''. Millions of users will be lost and will potentionally migrate to other platforms such as Red Note and YouTube Shorts. ]] 16:49, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
I '''agree''' with adding information about the TikTok ban to the main page. This is notable and it could teach readers about it. ] (]) 17:05, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Wait''' to see if Trump follows through with an extension or not. ] ] <span style="color:#C8102E;"><small><sup>(])</sup></small></span> 17:26, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
* And now TikTok is in the process of restoring service in the US, making this ITN useless. . --] (]) 17:42, 19 January 2025 (UTC)


*'''Oppose''' The ban was just lifted (at least on the app), which kind of ruins the whole point of this nomination. If it gets shut down again maybe I'll reconsider my vote. ] (]) 18:08, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
:::::::Why should you mention Philippines? LOL. How about Yahoo Sports/Eurosport? When I checked my fantasy football team last night there was no mention of this item. The England-Sri Lanka cricket games, yes, but not this. The Indian subcontinent doesn't seem to care. I watched CNN (the International edition, not U.S.) World Sport and it wasn't mentioned. Therefore it is not news. --'''] ] ]''' 14:36, 4 December 2007 (UTC)
*'''Suggest snow close''' Ban lifted. ] (]) 18:41, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' events have now overtaken this. Support close. ] (]) 18:45, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' The ban has been lifted, with indications that it will be made permanent on Monday. The app was only unavailable for hours, meh. ] (]) 18:59, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Wait''' TikTok is still banned in the two major mobile app stores (Google Play and Apple App Store) . I think the blurb could focus on that instead of "shutting down" or "suspending operations". Anyways, there's no rush to see if a deadline extension will be granted by the incoming presidential administration. <em><sup>]</sup><sub>]</sub></em> 19:17, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Support ALT3'''. This is a noteworthy and widely covered story now. It is very much “in the news” now so I don’t understand the calls to wait. The wording in ALT3 is most neutral and accurate. Highlighting ByteDance’s “failure” or “inability” is at best POV spin that places undue weight on one interpretation and I would argue it is misleading and inaccurate. Regardless, the article itself is the place for readers to find the full explanation and for editors to determine the right way to provide it.--] 🍄‍🟫—] 19:47, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' Situation is too fluid and confusing to be a good ITN. Lets just leave this one for news networks... ]<sup>]</sup> 20:33, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Suggest snow close''' By my count, there are 14 support votes, 17 oppose votes, and 4 wait votes. Consensus to post is unlikely to develop. --] (]) 23:02, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
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==== Storming of South Korean court ====
::::::::The BBC, Yahoo, and CNN being the be-all, end-all of reporting. ] 15:41, 4 December 2007 (UTC)
{{ITN candidate
| article = 2025 Seoul Western District Court riot <!-- Do not wikilink -->
| image = Seoul Seobu Local Court.jpg <!-- Name of image only; do not link. Please crop the image before adding, if necessary. -->
| blurb = Supporters of ] ] ''']''' the {{Ill|Seoul Western District Court|ko|서울서부지방법원}} (court pictured), resulting of 51 police officers injured and dozens of people detained. <!-- Add your suggestion of the blurb; should be written in simple present tense. -->
| recent deaths = no <!-- (yes/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Recent deaths" line -->
| ongoing = no <!-- (add/rem/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Ongoing" line -->
| ITNR = no <!-- 'No' by default. Only put in 'yes' if the event is listed at WP:ITNR -->
| altblurb = <!-- An alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| altblurb2 = <!-- A second alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| sources = <!-- Include one or more references from verifiable, reliable sources. -->
| updated = <!-- (yes/no); Leave blank if you aren't sure -->
| nominator = 103.111.100.82 <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| creator = <!-- Editor who created the article, if relevant -->
| updaters = <!-- Editor(s) who significantly updated the article, separated by commas -->
| nom cmt = This is the first time in South Korean constitutional history that a court was attacked by people. <!-- Additional comments go here -->
| sign = ] (]) 07:36, 22 January 2025 (UTC) <!-- Do NOT change this -->
:Apart from the ] violation and the missing article, we've had too much coverage for that president. Might as well list it as an ongoing event <span style="text-shadow:#000 0em 0em 1em">]&nbsp;] (])</span> 07:43, 22 January 2025 (UTC)
}}
*'''Oppose''' - While I'd be happy with posting another ''major'' development in this story, this isn't it. This is a footnote in the developing story. ] (]) 09:35, 22 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' per Genevieve. Not minor, but a degree less important than much of the other news surrounding this story. ] ] <span style="color:#C8102E;"><small><sup>(])</sup></small></span> 05:42, 23 January 2025 (UTC)


== January 18 ==
:::::::::Not really, but if the BBC, Yahoo and CNN report it, why should our very own ITN be? --'''] ] ]''' 03:09, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
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{{Portal:Current events/2025 January 18}}
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==== (Posted) RD: Claire van Kampen ====
{{ITN candidate
| article = Claire van Kampen
| recent deaths = yes
| sources =
| updated = Yes
| nominator = Gerda Arendt
| updaters = Gerda Arendt, Moscow Mule
| nom cmt = Woman composer at her famous husband's side for the ], who also ventured into writing a play that proved successful in England and on Broadway. - NYT obit, which would have more detail if someone has the time.
| sign = --] (]) 13:00, 20 January 2025 (UTC)
}}
*<s>'''Oppose''' Theatre section is entirely unsourced. Please add references.</s> '''Support''' Article now has enough citations and quality to be on the Main Page. Cheers, ''atque supra''! ]]] 16:01, 20 January 2025 (UTC)
::Done. ] (]) 21:36, 20 January 2025 (UTC)
:: Please check, ]
*'''Support''' Theatre section is sourced now. Its a C class article with no problems. ] (]) 15:01, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Posted''' &nbsp;&mdash;&nbsp;] (]) 19:25, 21 January 2025 (UTC)


==== (Posted) 2025 assassination of Sharia judges in Iran ====
*Hugo Chavez's constitutional amendments have been rejected.
{{ITN candidate
:Posted. Thanks, ]] 06:27, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
| article = 2025 assassination of Sharia judges in Iran <!-- Do not wikilink -->
| image = Supreme Court of Iran 1399032711131150520604224.jpg <!-- Name of image only; do not link. Please crop the image before adding, if necessary. -->
| blurb = Two ] ] are assassinated and two other people are injured in ] at the ] (pictured) in capital ]. <!-- Add your suggestion of the blurb; should be written in simple present tense. -->
| recent deaths = no <!-- (yes/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Recent deaths" line -->
| ongoing = no <!-- (add/rem/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Ongoing" line -->
| ITNR = no <!-- 'No' by default. Only put in 'yes' if the event is listed at WP:ITNR -->
| altblurb = <!-- An alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| altblurb2 = <!-- A second alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| sources = <!-- Include one or more references from verifiable, reliable sources. -->
| updated = <!-- (yes/no); Leave blank if you aren't sure -->
| nominator = ArionStar <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| creator = <!-- Editor who created the article, if relevant -->
| updaters = <!-- Editor(s) who significantly updated the article, separated by commas -->
| nom cmt = Relevant event in the judicial history of the country. <!-- Additional comments go here -->
| sign = ] (]) 00:04, 19 January 2025 (UTC) <!-- Do NOT change this -->
}}
*'''Support'''. Two judges known for being linked to a mass execution assassinated in a rare attack at a Supreme Court.] (] • ]) </small>
*'''Oppose on Quality'''. Article is exceptionally thin, and most of the body is not directly about the shooting. ] (]) 02:20, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
*:Agreed. It's notable but needs more information. ] (]) 02:23, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
*::I just did a improvement. ] (]) 03:34, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
*:::Looking better, thanks. ] (]) 04:00, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
*::::@]: quality is decent now. ] (]) 04:57, 19 January 2025 (UTC)


:'''Support''' - Two top Iranian judges being killed is far more important than the tiktok ban. Another case of northerncentrism. ] (]) 05:25, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
*Brazil wins the ] in Japan. Russia comes second and Bulgaria grabs the bronze. --] 00:17, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
::]. ] ] <span style="color:#C8102E;"><small><sup>(])</sup></small></span> 05:31, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
*<s>'''Weak Oppose''' solely on article quality. If some meat can be added, I would support.</s> The assassination of two supreme court judges almost anywhere is going to merit a blurb here. -] (]) 05:41, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
*:@]: {{done}}. ] (]) 06:41, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
*::'''Support''' Article is now adequate for posting. -] (]) 16:12, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Support''' This is important in the context of all what is happening in the middle east, including the Iran-Israel proxy war. Also, the quality/size of the article seems ok now. ]<sup>]</sup> 07:09, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
*:We did a good work in the article. ] (]) 14:17, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Support''' per Ad Orientem. ] ] <span style="color:#C8102E;"><small><sup>(])</sup></small></span> 17:25, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Support notability''' but '''oppose on quality'''. Firstly the background section is orange-tagged so unmarking as ready. The article is very short and lacking a lot of background detail that would inform the reader of the basic facts. Also the fatalities section is unusual; surely the two judges warrant articles of their own given their position? ] (]) 16:42, 20 January 2025 (UTC)
*:I can help improve it. ] (]) 00:15, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Support''' – if something like that happened in the US, it would be added in a heartbeat. ]&nbsp;]&nbsp;&nbsp;''<sup style="font-family:Times New Roman">]</sup>'' 20:20, 20 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Support''' on notability per Bloxzge 025 and Tradedia. As for article quality, I still support - aside from the background section, I think the article is short but sufficient. With this being said, the currently background section should probably just be removed altogether until it is more complete/adequate. I do not think a background section is strictly necessary to meet the bare bones minimum necessary for the article, though. ]]] ] 20:31, 20 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Posted''' ]] 01:28, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
*:@]: Why not the full proposed blurb? ] (]) 02:18, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
*:@], the cited article doesn't mention "Sharia" anywhere, let alone "Sharia judges". I can't find anything on google for a single source that calls them "sharia judges". This looks like a ] violation.''']''' <sub>(Please ] on reply)</sub> 19:04, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
:::The article title on this event also uses this term ], so if this is OR, the article title also needs to be changed. ] (]) 19:54, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
::::Done (both) by {{noping|Amakuru}} 20:26, 21 January 2025 (UTC). ] (]) 22:35, 21 January 2025 (UTC)


==== 2025 Suleja fuel tanker explosion ====
*A ''']''' affects much of ], disrupting transportation, canceling events, and killing at least ten people. ] 20:54, 2 December 2007 (UTC)
{{ITN candidate
:This has been the top news story for at least the past 24 hours for most news networks in North America, has disrupted integral parts of the transportation system, has interfered with campaign events for the 2008 U.S. election, and has been picked up internationally by places as far away as China and New Zealand. ] 20:54, 2 December 2007 (UTC)
| article = 2025 Suleja fuel tanker explosion<!-- Do not wikilink -->
::Endorse. --] 20:31, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
| image = <!-- Name of image only; do not link. Please crop the image before adding, if necessary. -->
]
| blurb = ] near ], ], Nigeria, kills at least 98 people and injures 69 others.<!-- Add your suggestion of the blurb; should be written in simple present tense. -->
*Early results show that ] President ] ''(pictured)'' ] party ''']''' in the ]. --] 19:16, 2 December 2007 (UTC)
| recent deaths = no <!-- (yes/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Recent deaths" line -->
:With more than 12% of votes counted + official exit polls give United Russia 62%. No need to wait until 100% of votes have been counted --] 19:16, 2 December 2007 (UTC)
| ongoing = no <!-- (add/rem/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Ongoing" line -->
::Perhaps the blurb could be edited to reflect accusations of the election being "not fair". See . ] 16:22, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
| ITNR = no <!-- 'No' by default. Only put in 'yes' if the event is listed at WP:ITNR -->
*The ] defeat ] ], ], ]] to win ]'s ''']'''. ] 04:37, 2 December 2007 (UTC)
| altblurb = <!-- An alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
:I'm not certain that I'd support this one, and I recognize that the underlying article may not be thoroughly updated (] is more complete and might be a better bolded target), but I suppose the item ought at least to be thrown out for consideration, if only because our practice relative to international team sporting events hasn't been perfectly consistent. ] 04:37, 2 December 2007 (UTC)
| altblurb2 = <!-- A second alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
::This is looking at the event from a very, very personal angle, but someone mentioned this yesterday: Not a single person in my office even knew the Davis Cup was happening, much less that it was happening in America, much less that the US might win. ''And my office is ESPN headquarters.'' On ESPN.com, it's only the fourth-biggest story. The first competitor I thought to compare our site to was Yahoo Sports, and it's not their lead story. I simply don't think this event has that big of an international importance or impact, but of course, this is just the perspective of a single person who happens to work in sports. I'm not going to post this, but unlike Sean Taylor's death, I wouldn't outwardly object if someone else did. -- ] ] 05:57, 2 December 2007 (UTC)
| sources = <!-- Include one or more references from verifiable, reliable sources. -->
| updated = <!-- (yes/no); Leave blank if you aren't sure -->
| nominator = ArionStar <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| creator = <!-- Editor who created the article, if relevant -->
| updaters = <!-- Editor(s) who significantly updated the article, separated by commas -->
| nom cmt = High number of deaths. <!-- Additional comments go here -->
| sign = ] (]) 18:59, 18 January 2025 (UTC) <!-- Do NOT change this -->
}}
* '''Support''' on notability, '''oppose''' on quality. A large fuel tanker explosion with a big death toll, but the article needs improvement. ] (]) 20:25, 18 January 2025 (UTC)


:'''Support -''' 125 victims in total is alone enough for ITN. ] (]) 05:26, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
* Daredevil ] dies at the age of 69. -- ] 11:00, 2nd December 2007 (UTC)
*'''Weak Oppose''' solely on article quality. We need a bit more meat on this article before it can be posted. -] (]) 05:31, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' Not every disaster is going to have sufficient coverage to make for a quality article for ITN, and generally a recognizition that WP is not a newspaper, we should not be rushing to create event articles after any type of disaster until there's some certainty that it will have the longevity for notability .--] (]) 14:51, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Reluctant oppose''' article is too short and there's not much indication of wider notability beyond the sheer number of deaths. ] ] <span style="color:#C8102E;"><small><sup>(])</sup></small></span> 17:24, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' Falls short in terms of quality and encyclopedic value. ]<sup>]</sup> 20:11, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
*:Almost 100 deaths… ] (]) 22:34, 20 January 2025 (UTC)
*::@{{u|Bloxzge 025}}, ], @], @]: look at this now! ] (]) 00:22, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
*:::We are getting close. One cn tag. -] (]) 00:43, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
*::::A tank truck destroyed 20 shops? No way! ] (]) 01:19, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
*::::: ] (]) 02:09, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Info''' The article is in good shape now. ] (]) 02:20, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
*The lead contains a lot of information that is missing from the body. Not ready. ''']]''' 17:21, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
*:I disagree; see Explosion and Victims section. ] (]) 17:52, 21 January 2025 (UTC)


==== (Posted) RD: Russell Marshall ====
:''moved from ]'':
{{ITN candidate
| article = Russell Marshall
| recent deaths = yes
| sources = ,
| updated = Yes
| nominator = Kiwichris <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| updaters =
| nom cmt = Article covers all notable events in his life and career, well sourced.
| sign = ] (]) 08:44, 19 January 2025 (UTC) <!-- Do NOT change this -->
}}
*'''Support''' Article has enough sourcing and length to qualify for ITNRD. Cheers, ''atque supra''! ]]] 13:05, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Posted''' ]] 22:31, 22 January 2025 (UTC)


== January 17 ==
Evil Knievel sadly died yesterday, and I believe that should be in the template 'In the news'.
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] 09:57, 1 December 2007 (UTC)
{{Portal:Current events/2025 January 17}}
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====(Posted RD) Didier Guillaume ====
{{ITN candidate
| article = Didier Guillaume<!-- Do not wikilink -->
| image = Offdg (cropped).jpg<!-- Name of image only; do not link. Please crop the image before adding, if necessary. -->
| blurb = ''']''', the ], dies, and ] is appointed as the acting Minister of State<!-- Add your suggestion of the blurb; should be written in simple present tense. -->
| recent deaths = no <!-- (yes/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Recent deaths" line -->
| ongoing = no <!-- (add/rem/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Ongoing" line -->
| ITNR = no <!-- 'No' by default. Only put in 'yes' if the event is listed at WP:ITNR -->
| altblurb = <!-- An alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| altblurb2 = <!-- A second alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| sources = <!-- Include one or more references from verifiable, reliable sources. -->
| updated = yes <!-- (yes/no); Leave blank if you aren't sure -->
| nominator = TNM101 <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| creator = <!-- Editor who created the article, if relevant -->
| updaters = Borgenland, GoodDay, Fakescientist8000<!-- Editor(s) who significantly updated the article, separated by commas -->
| nom cmt = Minister of State of Monaco, ITNR since he was the head of government <!-- Additional comments go here -->
| sign = ''']''' (]) 17:36, 18 January 2025 (UTC) <!-- Do NOT change this -->
}}
* Is this ITNR? The Prince of Monoco is the one listed at ] that administerss the gov't, not the minister. --] (]) 17:51, 18 January 2025 (UTC)
:*{{ping|Masem}} It is not, and I’ve removed the ITNR tag. ] ] <span style="color:#C8102E;"><small><sup>(])</sup></small></span> 18:01, 18 January 2025 (UTC)
::Per ], {{tq|The Prime Minister of Monaco... is the head of government of Monaco}} and {{tq|the officeholder is responsible for directing the work of the government and in charge of foreign relations... also presides... over the Council of Government, directs the executive services and commands the police and military.}} They're also listed in the second column at the link you linked to. The ITNR listing says the following: {{tq|Changes, reelections or reappointments in the holder of '''the office which administers the executive of their respective state/government''', in those countries which qualify under the criteria above, as listed at List of current heads of state and government except when that change was already posted as part of a general election.}}
::Ultimately, I'm not really miffed either way, but this does bring up a quirky situation. In most other monarchies around the world, the monarch is little more than a figurehead by this point, but is usually still notable enough ''on their own'' to post on ITN with a blurb. According to ], only Lichtenstein and the Vatican still have their monarchs playing an active role in politics. It's a weird situation - if a country still has an "active" monarchy, but that monarch delegates virtually all of their tasks to a Prime Minister or similar role, do we count both for ITNR? Personally, I don't see how we can justify not treating both as eligible, but in any case I would argue that ''head of government'' is more close to the phrasing of ITNR of "administers the executive".
::And ultimately, the results of general elections are ''already'' able to be posted, so the only thing that saying {{tq|Death or replacement (other than by election) of an officeholder listed on the page ]}}. That would only add, what, maybe a dozen or two "eligible people" to the mix, not including those who are almost certainly going to qualify for ITN blurb on their own (ex: ], and some other monarchs). Regardless, better discussion for another page to clarify. -bɜ:ʳkənhɪmez &#124; ] &#124; ] 18:10, 18 January 2025 (UTC)
::'''Support -''' Any head of state dying is notable enough, no matter how small the country is. ] (]) 18:31, 18 January 2025 (UTC)
:::The head of state of Monaco is the prince. ] (]) 20:17, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
:'''Somewhat medium support'''. Without even considering who on that list of heads of state/government is eligible for ITNR, I think this office is at least borderline on satisfying "the office which '''administers''' the executive", per ]. While the Prince still holds ultimate authority, ] states {{tq|Executive power is retained by the monarch, who has veto power over all legislation proposed by the National Council. The minister of state and the Government Council are directly responsible to the Prince for the administration of the principality}} (citations omitted). Probably need a discussion at the appropriate venue to clarify further the criteria, which is currently able to be interpreted in... less than exact ways. I'll leave it to others to discuss quality of the affected articles, but I don't notice any major concerns at this point. -bɜ:ʳkənhɪmez &#124; ] &#124; ] 18:14, 18 January 2025 (UTC)
::The more I think about it, the more I am reconsidering a full on support, though. From my reading of it, she was made the acting Minister because of the incapacitation (hospitalization) of the prior Minister who was duly appointed. There is no guarantee she is appointed the Minister by the Prince - so I could support a RD posting for the Minister now, and a potential blurb if/when the new Minister (whether her or someone else) is appointed by the Prince. {{small|Sometimes, I think the world just specifically tries to make things more complex/complicated than they truly need to be, just to see Misplaced Pages disagree. </joke>}} -bɜ:ʳkənhɪmez &#124; ] &#124; ] 18:18, 18 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Support''' dies > passes away. ] (]) 18:42, 18 January 2025 (UTC)


:'''Support blurb''' despite Monaco being a small country, the head of government dying while in office is still relevant. ]] 20:26, 18 January 2025 (UTC)
:He does not fit inclusion criteria for famous deceased persons, I'm afraid (i. e. he's not a head of state or any multinational or global organisation). See ], p. 5, for details. Cheers, ] <small>(])</small> 10:48, 1 December 2007 (UTC)
:'''RD Only''' - Good candidate for RD, but Monaco has a population of less than 40,000. ] (]) 20:41, 18 January 2025 (UTC)
::What does Monaco's population have to do with anything? It's still a country nevertheless. ]]<sup>]]</sup> 13:31, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''RD only''' Monaco has a special status, but on the ground, it is just like any other French city. So Didier Guillaume is more like a random mayor. ]<sup>]</sup> 22:15, 18 January 2025 (UTC)
*:Monaco is a sovereign state, not a French city. ] (]) 03:39, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Support''' death of head of government should be the only acceptable RD blurbs IMO ] (]) 02:39, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
*Whatever happens, the blurb needs to be updated to be "dies" instead of "passes away". ]. ] (]) 03:36, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
*:{{Done}} ''']''' (]) 04:27, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''<s>Not Ready''' for the ].</s> Support blurb in principle, but article quality for a head of government does not wow me. -] (]) 05:38, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
*:'''Support blurb''' Article appears quality now to be adequate for posting. -] (]) 15:44, 22 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Weak support''' given the arguments of some above, though it still seems the MoS is mostly at the mercy of the Prince rather than a fully autonomous actor. ] ] <span style="color:#C8102E;"><small><sup>(])</sup></small></span> 17:27, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
*<s>'''Oppose on quality''' Four cn tags. Once fixed,</s> '''Support blurb''' a change in leadership along with the death of an incumbent head of state is blurb worthy, although per The Kip in terms of MoS being an actual head of state. --] (]) 20:48, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
*:@] and @], please double check the quality of the article. I have given previously uncited statements sourcing, and this article should be good to go now. Cheers, ''atque supra''! ]]] 11:37, 22 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Comment''' A blurb would now be stale, as the oldest blurb (Iranian judges assassination) is newer than this. However, discussion for RD inclusion can continue. ] ] <span style="color:#C8102E;"><small><sup>(])</sup></small></span> 21:08, 22 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Posted''' ]] 22:29, 22 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Support''' - It's newsworthy. ] (]) 22:35, 22 January 2025 (UTC)


==== (Posted) RD: Denis Law ====
:I take that back partially, maybe he'd fit under the field of expertise criteria, ask over at ]. --] <small>(])</small> 10:51, 1 December 2007 (UTC)
{{ITN candidate
| article = Denis Law
| recent deaths = yes
| sources = ,
| updated = <!-- (yes/no); Leave blank if you aren't sure -->
| nominator = Jmorrison230582 <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| updaters = <!-- Editor(s) who significantly updated the article, separated by commas -->
| nom cmt = Record goalscorer for ] and the ] national team, ] winner (1964).
| sign = ] (]) 20:24, 17 January 2025 (UTC) <!-- Do NOT change this -->
}}
* '''Support blurb''', the only Scottish football player to win Ballon D'Or, the last surviving member of Manchester United European Cup winning team. ] (]) 22:49, 17 January 2025 (UTC)
::Law wasn't in the United team for the ], because he was injured. ] (]) 09:19, 21 January 2025 (UTC)


*'''Oppose blurb''' Let’s be honest, if Bobby Charlton wasn’t notable enough for a blurb, Denis Law is certainly not. He’s trailing Charlton in virtually every category. Also, as far as I know, Wayne Rooney is Manchester United’s record goalscorer.--] (]) 23:18, 17 January 2025 (UTC)
::Actually while you're welcome to propose it it is unlikely it meets the criteria. As the criteria mentions for people who meet the key figures in the field of expertise criteria, it's generally accepted that the death must be unexpected or 'tragic' as well. (It's why we didn't have Pavarotti and Milton Friedman for long if at all) If Knieval has been killed while trying a stunt then it would probably qualify. But as he had been fairly sick for several years and was 69 his death wasn't exactly unexpected despite what some people may say about Superman not dying... ] 12:26, 1 December 2007 (UTC)
*: Correct, Law is Manchester United's 3rd highest goalscorer (Charlton is 2nd). ] 23:41, 17 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Oppose blurb''' No indication of being a great figure. Winning the Ballon D'Or may lead to that but there's nothing to discuss legacy or impact on the game, and a sport's MPV award for a year is not sufficient for this. '''Support RD''', I think there's one loose CN on the awards but nothing else stands out being a problem. --] (]) 23:33, 17 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Oppose blurb''' Bobby Charlton probably should have been blurbed, but I don't believe Law rises to his level, so on that basis I will have to oppose. ] 23:41, 17 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Support blurb''' per ] ] (]) 23:39, 17 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Oppose blurb, <s>oppose</s> support RD''' We ]. Also, in terms of quality, <s>there is a message error at the end of the page: "Cite error: There are ref group=note tags on this page, but the references will not show without a template (see the help page)."</s> it is ok. ]<sup>]</sup> 02:39, 18 January 2025 (UTC)
*:That was broken by this . I've fixed it. ]🐉(]) 09:19, 18 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Oppose blurb''' Elderly person dying after a long disease, over 50 years since they were an active footballer. Article is in fine-enough shape for an RD. ] 08:47, 18 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Comment''' There were 215,000 views on the news which seems typical of someone who was a household name in the UK but unknown in the US. The high readership shows that readers are not finding it difficult to find the article. Running this in the RD ticker will make little difference. ]🐉(]) 09:31, 18 January 2025 (UTC)
*I nominated this for RD. I'm not sure why somebody added blurb to the nomination. ] (]) 09:19, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Posted''' ]] 22:27, 22 January 2025 (UTC)


==== (Posted) RD: Joan Plowright ====
:::Agreed. Evel Knievel was quite famous, and while his death is sad, it doesn't meet our inclusion criteria. —] 20:39, 1 December 2007 (UTC)
{{ITN candidate
| article = Joan Plowright
| recent deaths = yes
| sources =
| updated = <!-- (yes/no); Leave blank if you aren't sure -->
| nominator = Wizzito <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| updaters =
| nom cmt = <!-- Additional comments go here -->
| sign = ] &#124; ] 14:36, 17 January 2025 (UTC) <!-- Do NOT change this -->
}}
*'''Not ready'''. It'd be nice to see her there, but a slew of her acting credits aren't referenced. ] (]) 19:52, 17 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Comment''' Like Denis Law, she was another famous name in her day and so there were 283,000 views on the news. ]🐉(]) 09:47, 18 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' Far too many CN tags to be considered eligible quality for ITNRD. Cheers, ''atque supra''! ]]] 13:07, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Comment''' CNs down to four: TV shows from the 50s and 70s (for which there are sources, but not WP:RS). ] (]) 01:07, 20 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Support''' There are only a handful of CN Tags left within her acting credits. If they are not resolved and the passing admin reviewing this deems them unacceptable, it would be better to remove those entries from her filmography list (I could not find cites for them) and then post to RD. It is an otherwise quality article on a very noteworthy person. ]]] ] 01:30, 20 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Posted''' ]] 02:28, 21 January 2025 (UTC)


==November 30 == == January 16 ==
{{cot|]}}
*The Clinton story blurb needs to be changed to campaign office and not headquarters. The office in question is a sattellite office and not the headquarters. ] 21:23, 30 November 2007 (UTC)
{{Portal:Current events/2025 January 16}}
:Changed. Thanks, ]] 23:17, 30 November 2007 (UTC)
{{cob}}
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==== (Posted) RD: Hans Dobida ====
{{ITN candidate
| article = Hans Dobida
| recent deaths = yes
| sources =
| updated = yes
| nominator = Flibirigit
| updaters = Flibirigit, Jkaharper
| nom cmt = Copyedit and updates complete. I feel it is ready for the main page.
| sign = ] (]) 15:22, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
}}
*'''Support''' Referenced, adequate depth of coverage. ''']'''<sup>]]</sup> 06:29, 22 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Posted''' ]] 22:25, 22 January 2025 (UTC)


====(Removed) California fires to ongoing====
*Protesters in ] demand execution of British school teacher ''']''' for insulting the prophet ] after the naming of a ] in a class project. --] 13:53, 30 November 2007 (UTC)
{{ITN candidate
I think there should be a minor change to make it more clear that the teddy bear was named Muhammad. Also the teacher's name doesn't need to be in the headline, as teacher could just as easily link to her article. ] 17:34, 30 November 2007 (UTC)
| article = January 2025 Southern California wildfires<!-- Do not wikilink -->
::Neither relevant article describes the teacher in question as an ex-employee of the school: I have seen no comment that suggests that the school has withdrawn support from her, and most importantly, at the time of the naming, she was a teacher at that school. Why then has the headline been changed to read "a former Unity High School teacher"? If she has been dismissed by the school, it should be in one or other of the articles. ] 13:21, 2 December 2007 (UTC)
| image = <!-- Name of image only; do not link. Please crop the image before adding, if necessary. -->
:::Given that she is being deported, I think its safe to call her former as you wont be teaching there anymore. However, I do agree that the word former is not nessisary in the ITN blub and should be removed as it does tend to suggest she was either dismissed or quit (neither of which is true). ] 16:48, 2 December 2007 (UTC)
| blurb = <!-- Add your suggestion of the blurb; should be written in simple present tense. -->
:Posted. Thanks, ]] 23:17, 30 November 2007 (UTC)
| recent deaths = no <!-- (yes/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Recent deaths" line -->
::She's now been pardoned and released . ] 16:26, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
| ongoing = add <!-- (add/rem/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Ongoing" line -->
:::Updated. Thanks, ]] 22:07, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
| ITNR = no <!-- 'No' by default. Only put in 'yes' if the event is listed at WP:ITNR -->
| altblurb = <!-- An alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| altblurb2 = <!-- A second alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| sources = <!-- Include one or more references from verifiable, reliable sources. -->
| updated = <!-- (yes/no); Leave blank if you aren't sure -->
| nominator = Stephen <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| creator = <!-- Editor who created the article, if relevant -->
| updaters = <!-- Editor(s) who significantly updated the article, separated by commas -->
| nom cmt = I've added fires to ongoing as they were pushed off by David Lynch. Discuss whether that's appropriate below.<!-- Additional comments go here -->
| sign = ]] 22:52, 16 January 2025 (UTC) <!-- Do NOT change this -->
}}


*The ''']''' carrying 56 passengers is found near ] in central ], with no survivors. --] (]) 09:28, 30 November 2007 (UTC) *'''Return, pull Chad''' - Fires still ongoing(not fully contained). Chad attack seems to have gotten one burst of coverage a week ago and barely any after that. ] (]) 23:04, 16 January 2025 (UTC)
:Posted. Thanks, ]] 23:17, 30 November 2007 (UTC) *:Do you understand that the fires have been moved to the ongoing section? ]] 23:07, 16 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Support/concur''' appropriate addition. ] ] <span style="color:#C8102E;"><small><sup>(])</sup></small></span> 23:32, 16 January 2025 (UTC)


:'''Comment''' Could the wildfires be moved to Ongoing? --] (]) 00:07, 17 January 2025 (UTC)
==November 29==
::@] they already have. ] ] <span style="color:#C8102E;"><small><sup>(])</sup></small></span> 00:15, 17 January 2025 (UTC)
]
*'''Oppose''' the fires may be ongoing but the rate of destruction has significantly flattened out as well as deaths. There may be potential fir a damaging flare up but we're on the backend of that story, which doesn't make it great for the ongoing line, particularly given what else is in ongoing. ] (]) 00:33, 17 January 2025 (UTC)
*Amidst the country's ], ''']''' ''(pictured)'' is sworn in as ] for a second term, this time as a civilian. --] (]) 12:38, 29 November 2007 (UTC)
:Posted. Thanks, ]] 23:17, 30 November 2007 (UTC)


:'''Pull from ongoing''' No fire weather days in the forecast for southern California, and everything that would be burned has been. Containment takes a while, but fires burn through their fuel, and most of these fire's fuel is gone, and you can expect very little updates from here except for records to be broken and various celebrities revealing their homes have / have not been destroyed by the fires. ] (]) 00:58, 17 January 2025 (UTC)
]
*'''Oppose''' per Masem. ] (]) 01:48, 17 January 2025 (UTC)
]
*'''Pull/Support'''. I'm favorable to the fires still being in Ongoing, but, there is nowhere near a consensus for such placement as of right now. ] (]) 02:58, 17 January 2025 (UTC)
* The ] is currently laying ] on ] ''(pictured)'' when several renegade soldiers led by ] ] ''(pictured)'' staged a ''']'''.
*'''Oppose''' per Masem. This item pales in comparaison with the other Ongoing items in terms of duration and magnitude of death toll. ]<sup>]</sup> 03:41, 17 January 2025 (UTC)
: --'''] ] ]''' 08:12, 29 November 2007 (UTC)
*'''Pull''' If you didn't like the fire pushed off by David Lynch, then you should have added South Korean Crisis to ongoing, pull Yoon's arrest and add the fire back. The fire is not significant enough to be ongoing. ] (]) 04:12, 17 January 2025 (UTC)
::Wow, that's an amazingly large article for a brand new event. Modified for verb tense and posted. The image doesn't look like much of anything, especially if you don't already know that ] is a hotel, but we may be forced to use it when Sharif gets rotated off. Thanks, ]] 08:23, 29 November 2007 (UTC)
*:It has nothing to do with whether I like or dislike anything. If I added anything to ongoing I'd still have the courtesy of asking here. You need to learn a little more about how ITN works. ]] 04:57, 17 January 2025 (UTC)
:::I myself was even surprised, they made it in like 2 hours... --'''] ] ]''' 08:26, 29 November 2007 (UTC)
*::ITN or not, the ] they suggested wouldn't fly very well. —] (]) 05:36, 17 January 2025 (UTC)
:'''Update:''' Change siege to assault as the government soldiers started to assault the hotel and those inside. --'''] ] ]''' 08:58, 29 November 2007 (UTC)
*'''Removed''' ]] 04:19, 17 January 2025 (UTC)
::Updated. Note that the suggested image of Trillanes is non-free fair use and will not be used on the Main Page. - ]] 10:39, 29 November 2007 (UTC)
*'''Connection''' Lynch died from breathing difficulty after being evacuated from his home on ]. So, the fire might be mentioned in his blurb. ]🐉(]) 09:18, 17 January 2025 (UTC)
*:I think his importance/great figure-ness aspect, and that he was already of old age, far outweighs the means of his death, and that detail would hurt the concisness of the blurb. (Whereas, to use the case of Kobe Bryant's death in the helicopter crash, that death was completely unexpected and so both aspects (the crash and his status as an NBA player) likely weighed equally. ] (]) 14:40, 17 January 2025 (UTC)
*::The fires are still generating significant traffic but the title of the article is not obvious and there's a ] to change it again. So, ITN should help navigation per its ]. ]🐉(]) 09:56, 18 January 2025 (UTC)


====(Closed) New Glenn launch====
==November 28==
{{atop|status=Stale|reason={{NAC}} Oldest current ITN blurb is newer than this one. ] ] <span style="color:#C8102E;"><small><sup>(])</sup></small></span> 21:07, 22 January 2025 (UTC)}}
* On the ''']''' in ] the right-wing ruling ] that led Croatia during the ] managed to keep more seats than the left-wing opposition ], but it is questionable which will be able to form a government. --] (]) 12:58, 28 November 2007 (UTC)
{{ITN candidate
:I'm not quite sure though whether to note this fully yet, as not all of the votes have been fully counted and the final results are still far away, especially due to the fact that elections will be repeated in several locations. --] (]) 15:24, 28 November 2007 (UTC)
| article = New Glenn
::In a number of prior cases, I suggested waiting until 100% of the votes had been counted. But 99.93% of votes in Croatia and 95.85% of votes from abroad having been counted is close enough. I '''endorse''' putting this up, and suggest: "The ] ''']''' a ] in the ] of ]." We don't know what the future, the cabinet formation, holds, so we shouldn't speculate on that. ]]<sup>]</sup> 23:29, 28 November 2007 (UTC)
| blurb = ]'s ''']''' rocket successfully reaches orbit on its inaugural launch.
:::Posted. Thanks, ]] 00:03, 29 November 2007 (UTC)
| recent deaths = no
::::Considering that the greatest winner of the election is SDP, I'd insist on actually including them in the news as well. --] (]) 18:58, 29 November 2007 (UTC)
| ongoing = no
:::::Do you have a suggested wording? Admins look for clearly worded suggestions that are backed up the article and reliable external sources. You can safely assume that admins are completely ignorant about that actual topic. - ]] 23:17, 30 November 2007 (UTC)
| ITNR = no
::::::I have - presented it in the very first line. --] (]) 22:27, 6 December 2007 (UTC)
| altblurb =
:::::::Aecis rightly notes above that ITN items avoid speculation. Beyond the very minor issues of verb tense, the major issue is that you yourself expressed uncertainty about the merits of the blurb. Suggestions that ask posting admins to make decisions about content, as well as the complicated enough issues of ITN-worthiness (note the kerfuffle above), tend to fall through the cracks. Aecis suggested a blurb stripped of speculation as well as a clear statement on why it was worded the way it was and his suggestion was put up. Note that the point is moot as we are well past the period of "timely interest". ]] 01:18, 7 December 2007 (UTC)
| sources =
| updated = yes
| nominator = 109.166.233.124
| creator =
| updaters =
| nom cmt = Surprised it hasn't been nominated since I think inaugural launches of notable rockets are ITNR. Notable that it is the first methalox rocket to reach orbit (SpaceX's bigger Starship has only technically done sub-orbital flights), and its payload capacity is only passed by the few ]s.
| sign = ] (]) 19:14, 16 January 2025 (UTC)
}}
:@] Please create a correctly formatted nomination, and if possible an account. ]] 19:17, 16 January 2025 (UTC)
::{{ping|SpectralIon}} I took care of fixing the nom. ] ] <span style="color:#C8102E;"><small><sup>(])</sup></small></span> 19:20, 16 January 2025 (UTC)
:::@] Alright, then I would say '''Support on Notability''' since this is the first launch of an advanced rocket, and it reached orbit as well. --]] 19:23, 16 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Support in principle, weak support on quality'''. This rocket actually worked and its (test) payload was successfully deployed into orbit. The booster was lost on descent, but that's a failure of reusability not of the launch. However, there's only 80 words of update in the article. Don't we normally have a separate article for notable launches, rather than just a section in the article about the rocket? Technically this does meet our minimum requirements, but I would prefer to see more details in the article and fixed cn tags. ] ] 19:47, 16 January 2025 (UTC)
*:Nitpick, but there was no payload deployment. The payload stayed attached to the upper stage. ] (]) 02:03, 17 January 2025 (UTC)
*::Exactly as planned. ] ] 14:42, 20 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Comment''' and '''support on notability.''' There isn't even a separate article on the flight/ test itself (I know I know, I could have created it myself, but I'm feeling kinda discouraged from everything this week). The notability is there though. --] <small>(])</small> 19:52, 16 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Support''' per above. Quality is adequate ] ] <span style="color:#C8102E;"><small><sup>(])</sup></small></span> 19:59, 16 January 2025 (UTC)


:'''Comment''' should be noted that the first stage failed to land on its drone ship and was lost during descent, but other than that '''soft support''' as it is an inaugural launch, but the article needs some work. ]] 19:58, 16 January 2025 (UTC)
==November 27==
*'''Support''' - a huge advance given how large this rocket is, and particularly the payload volume. Of particular note with this (first) launch is that it is orbital - something that Starship is yet to achieve. Only SLS can currently put a larger payload into orbit.(Falcon Heavy is relatively similar on mass, but is severely constrained on payload volume in comparison. ] (]) 21:41, 16 January 2025 (UTC)
* "''']''' continue for a second night in the ] of ], ]." <small><font color="AE1C28">]</font><font color="#21468B">]</font> &bull; 2007-11-27 15:16</small>
:Is this really eligible? Very short, still market as a stub, hardly of international interest. Please, don't put items only on your own initiative. --] (]) 21:49, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
::First of all, this article is concise, not "short", and is still marked as a stub since it will be expanded substantially within the coming days. Is it of less international interest than the ]? This protest has so far been much more intense than the ], which was featured on ITN prominently in 2005. Are you objecting that I added an article that I created myself? If so, say so please. I was not aware that there was a rule on ITN that states you cannot add articles you have updated personally. <small><font color="AE1C28">]</font><font color="#21468B">]</font> &bull; 2007-11-27 22:00</small>
:::I am objecting to the posting of items that have not been reviewed. And Jacoplane who started, "nominated", and posted it right away should know better. --] (]) 22:23, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
::::I posted this article hours after I started it. If any other admin feels it should be removed, I will not wheelwar with them. <small><font color="AE1C28">]</font><font color="#21468B">]</font> &bull; 2007-11-27 23:04</small>
:::::Well, you've hardly posted it "hours", but just it a little more than 2 hours after your self-nomination on this page; and by then - it should be pointed out - there was no reaction in relation to your nomination. I'm certainly not against self-nominations, but why do you think that this particular news item is of such importance that even ''expected'' expansion of the article will excuse the stub from reaching the frontpage? --] (]) 12:59, 28 November 2007 (UTC)
:::::The ITN system is dependent on trust - and that the admins follow the basic rules. As admin Jacoplane has abused his admin credentials, I'd expect him to remove the article from the mainpage and return it for further consideration here. ] (]) 09:16, 28 November 2007 (UTC)
::::::I wish to comment on the underlying assumptions in some of the above comments, while avoiding actually joining the argument. This page is not a review, but a centralized location where non-admins can suggest items to be posted. Suggestions are not subject to majority approval or consensus, which both require time and are therefore counterproductive to the whole "timely update" aspect, but are rather posted by any admin who feels they are a good candidate. (This is precisely why occasional admin catfights on ITN are expected and even necessary as items are re-evaluated by other admins.) For much of the history of this page, there was very little activity here and admins were often obliged to search for updated articles, including by doing their updates. I've lost track of the number of articles I've updated and posted directly to ITN, only rarely putting items up here when I felt that there might be a question of notability or update quality needing a second opinion. There is no absolute requirement to post items to the candidates page before updating ITN. - ]] 23:15, 28 November 2007 (UTC)


*'''Support''' - Major development in spaceflight. Competitor of Starship & SLS. Successful orbital insertion, RIP stage 1. ] (]) 22:48, 16 January 2025 (UTC)
::I think this is definitely notable and of international interest. This is not a unique event, and it's certainly not confined to Paris or France. Recent riots in Amsterdam were dubbed "Parijse toestanden" (Parisian situations), to give just one example. ]]<sup>]</sup> 22:04, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' - Not a major development in spaceflight. Not a competitor to Starship or SLS either in size or capability. The rocket is a heavy launcher not a super heavy launcher. There are already partially reusable rockets. This is another partially reusable rocket, but it didn't succeed its landing so its not partially reusable yet. Also there's no page dedicated to the launch. Also the nominator's comments are factually incorrect. ULA's Vulcan rocket already reached orbit and that is also a methalox rocket. <!-- Template:Unsigned --><small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding ] comment added by ] (] • ]) </small>
::It's a huge development, ]. How many Starship ITNs have been posted, and the damn thing hasn't even achieved orbit yet. And why claim it's not a competitor to Starship and SLS? The turnaround on an SLS launch, even years from now, is measured in years. New Glenn is measured in weeks, with several more launches scheduled this year - the next one to the moon. And with the massive fairing size, and the lack of obstructions in the fairing compared to Starship, this can launch stuff that Starship can't. Not to mention Starship hasn't actually achieved orbit yet - so yes, this is ahead of Starship. ] (]) 17:38, 17 January 2025 (UTC)
::None of those Starship ITN requests have been actually posted because of people lacking technical understanding of the subject. First of all Starship hasn't been trying to achieve orbit in any of those tests yet. They've been trying to achieve both stage reusability. It's also the largest rocket in history, by a large margin.
::Perhaps I'm overreaching with claiming its not a competitor to SLS, but its clear its not in the same rocket class as SLS and definitely not a competitor to Starship which is in a much higher class of vehicle and also aiming for full reusability. New Glenn's turnaround time is not measured in weeks, not yet. I'm not sure how it is "ahead" of Starship when it's not even aiming for the same capability. It's purpose is different. ] (]) 09:03, 18 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Oppose'''. Failing to see what's particularly revolutionary about this launch. Slightly bigger, slightly more reusable, slightly different fuel. Ho hum, we don't need to post every incremental change in rocket technology. ] (]) 02:57, 17 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Support on notability'''. We posted milestones for both ] and ], and we do so for new public-funded (i.e. government made) rockets. There is absolutely no reason to do the same here. Spaceflight is not yet so "mainstream" that new entrants are not "in the news" when they meet milestones such as first orbital launch. I defer to others on article quality and whether it's improved enough to post at this time. -bɜ:ʳkənhɪmez &#124; ] &#124; ] 02:59, 17 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' Interesting news... However, i feel that it falls short of being ITN. ]<sup>]</sup> 03:26, 17 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Support''' Per Nfitz, nom and The Kip. ] (]) 05:46, 17 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' There seems to have been a lot of space news lately including a spacewalk, a double lunar launch, a starship launch, a multiple satellite launch by China and so on. This event doesn't seem to stand out. ]🐉(]) 09:26, 17 January 2025 (UTC)


*'''Oppose''' on notability, not apparent that this is a major development of general interest ] (]) 14:18, 17 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' on notability per DarkSide830, and only a single prose update. --{{User:ExclusiveEditor/Signature}} 15:22, 17 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Comment''' Well I guess on this apparent precedent, that we won't be blurbing Starship if it ever makes orbit, or lands something on the moon. (though it seems to be getting more media coverage for it's Caribbean fireworks display! ] (]) 17:26, 18 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' per all above. ] (]) 12:07, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
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==== (Posted blurb) RD/Blurb: David Lynch ====
*Typhoon Mitag leaves 17 dead in the Philippines as Tropical Depression Hagibis batters Southern Luzon.
{{ITN candidate
**ITN is not CNN - for relatively minor updates, use ]. --'''] ] ]''' 15:16, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
| article = David Lynch
*"] player ''']''', ] for the ], dies after a shooting in his home in ]." He was notable within his "field of expertise", and his death was unexpected and tragic. But there's also a hint of recentism to this. Is it ITN material or not? ]]<sup>]</sup> 12:21, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
| image = File:David Lynch at the 1990 Emmy Awards.jpg
| recent deaths = yes
| sources =
| updated = <!-- (yes/no); Leave blank if you aren't sure -->
| nominator = Jon698 <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| blurb = American filmmaker ] dies at the age of 78.
| updaters = Thriley
| nom cmt = <!-- Additional comments go here -->
| sign = ] (]) 18:32, 16 January 2025 (UTC)<!-- Do NOT change this -->
}}
*'''Comment''' Lynch is the type of person that comes to mind a likely to have a blurb as a major figure in filmmaking, but the doesn't not have legacy section or equivalent, yet, to support this. If that was added I'd support a urb on all other quality aspects (which appear close) ] (]) 18:35, 16 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Support blurb''' The death of a film-maker with "the most important film-maker of the current era" in his lede deserves a blurb on the main page. ]&nbsp;(he/him&nbsp;•&nbsp;]) 18:36, 16 January 2025 (UTC)
*: I added a blurb. ]&nbsp;(he/him&nbsp;•&nbsp;]) 19:01, 16 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Support''' Article is in excellent shape ] (]) 18:46, 16 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Support''' No notable CN tags or uncited statements, and the article is of excellent quality. Cheers, ''atque supra''! ]]] 18:48, 16 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Comment''' I just created ]. His influence is so massive that an article on his impact is definitely necessary. ] (]) 19:13, 16 January 2025 (UTC)
**For timing of posting here, I'd recommend building out two or three good paragraphs on the bio article and worry about expanding later.<span id="Masem:1737055002605:WikipediaFTTCLNIn_the_news/Candidates" class="FTTCmt"> —&nbsp;] (]) 19:16, 16 January 2025 (UTC)</span>
*'''Support RD'''. Article is in great shape. Sooner posted the better. ] (]) 19:15, 16 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Support blurb''' Even for the more conservative death-as-blurb people, the standard is typically held as being "top of their field" - in 2007, ''The Guardian'' literally declared him "the most important filmmaker of the current era." Monumental impact on the world of film and more than deserving of a blurb. ] ] <span style="color:#C8102E;"><small><sup>(])</sup></small></span> 19:16, 16 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Support Blurb''' Article is in good shape, and Lynch is a world wide household name among anyone with more than a passing interest in cinema. ] (]) 19:18, 16 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Support RD''' and oppose blurb - dont see the breadth and depth of coverage as meriting a blurb. ''']''' - 19:28, 16 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Support blurb''' Extremely influential filmmaker who deserves a blurb, although a section explaining his impact would help. Found it interesting that ] by the ] - as far as I know, only a few filmmakers have such influence that their names become adjectives in the English language, including , , , and . ] (]) 19:45, 16 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Support blurb''' was one of the more famous filmmakers of the modern era. ]] 19:59, 16 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Support blurb'''. Top of the field. One criterion for blurb is the existence of works about person. There is film ]. Has Academy Award, won at Cannes. ] (]) 20:02, 16 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Comment''' If posted as a blurb and using the current picture, please make sure it is captioned as in 1990. ] (]) 20:05, 16 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Oppose blurb''' manner and direct impact of death not notable ] (]) 20:09, 16 January 2025 (UTC)
*:See Major figures in Blurbs for recendt deaths section. Manner of death is for another type of blurb. ] (]) 20:13, 16 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Support blurb''' Influential and acclaimed filmmaker, clearly meets the "transformative figure in their field" standard. --] (]) 20:28, 16 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Weak Support blurb''' I guess the triage would read something like: Would we blurb if this were Spielberg? Yes. Would we blurb if this were Lucas? Probably. Would we blurb if this is Lynch? Depends how many art housey adjudicators there are on Misplaced Pages that day. ] (]) 20:30, 16 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Support blurb''' - large impact on filmmaking. ] (]) 20:51, 16 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Support blurb''' Twin Peaks alone had a ], and combined with everything else? He's definitely important enough. ] (]) 21:25, 16 January 2025 (UTC)
* '''Support blurb''' Top of his field and article in good shape. Definitely influential filmmaker. ] (]) 21:48, 16 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Comment'''. Can we somehow put featured list of his Awards in the blurb? Saying that he received honorary Oscar, for instance. ] (]) 21:46, 16 January 2025 (UTC)
**That gets into a bit too much editorializing, as as well as simply having numerous awards is not a reason to post (compare with Jimmy Carter and the frequent mentions of his Nobel peace prize in the news headlines as a case where that is more appropriate)<span id="Masem:1737069615995:WikipediaFTTCLNIn_the_news/Candidates" class="FTTCmt"> —&nbsp;] (]) 23:20, 16 January 2025 (UTC)</span>
*'''Posted''', consensus is for a blurb. ]] 22:47, 16 January 2025 (UTC)
*I know I'm late, but just to add on to everybody, '''support blurb'''. I promise that this support has nothing to do with the fact that ] ranks among my top 10 favorite movies of all time (though it doesn't hurt, either). ] ] 07:42, 17 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Post-posting support''' Top of his field - there are <5 other directors that we would probably blurb (Spielberg, Scorcese, Coppola and Herzog?). ] 08:26, 17 January 2025 (UTC)
*:{{ping|Black Kite}} James Cameron. We might also blurb Oliver Stone, Christopher Nolan, Tim Burton, George Lucas, and a few others I can't name off the top of my head. ] ] 11:51, 17 January 2025 (UTC)
*::{{ping|Black Kite|Kurtis}} Michael Haneke, Pedro Almodóvar and Asghar Farhadi should be clear-cut cases for a blurb one day. I personally think that Béla Tarr should get one as well because of his depth.--] (]) 23:00, 17 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Support''' The article got over a million views on the news. ]🐉(]) 09:30, 17 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Support blurb''' as he was truly a great and influential director.--] (]) 09:32, 17 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Post-posting support''' I know I'm just preaching to the choir at this point as there's overwhelming support (as there should be), but I felt compelled to pile on. Few artists will ever have the high honor of having their own name be synonymous with a unique style. The influence his works had on film (and television in the case of Twin Peaks) cannot be overstated. <b style="font-family:Trebuchet MS">]]</b> ] 11:49, 17 January 2025 (UTC)
* '''Retroactive oppose''' An elderly person who is no longer working in their field dying of a disease they were known to have is not worthy of a blurb. ] 08:38, 18 January 2025 (UTC)
*:<small>Just wanted to correct {{tq|"who is no longer working in their field"}} – he . <b style="font-family:Trebuchet MS">]]</b> ] 19:46, 18 January 2025 (UTC)</small>


:'''Post-posting strong oppose''' Per DMartin. Also I'd bet a very strong majority people on Misplaced Pages never even heard this man's name and even more don't know who he is. Keep this to the recent deaths section. ] (]) 02:02, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
:I support this. One of the biggest stars of America's most popular sport being murdered seems notable enough. Plus it is on the front page of . ---]<sup>]</sup><sup>]</sup> 12:46, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
::Screw BBC Sport, it's on . However I'm concerned about the "notable within his field of expertise" criteria since he's not that well known (the Skins aren't playoff contenders during the past seasons except on 2005 when they made it to the playoffs barely and shocked TB in the Divisionals). --'''] ] ]''' 13:49, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
::He's fairly well known. Most NFL fan fans would know who he is but he only played in the league for 4 years. just because his team airn't that good doesn't make his non-notable. ] (]) 19:59, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
::::After reading his articles, you're right, "most NFL fans" know him, while most American football may not. He barely made it to the ], now if it's LT, Favre or the two Mannings died spectacularly then that's ITN material. --'''] ] ]''' 03:12, 28 November 2007 (UTC)
:::I don't see how this could pass the same criteria that ]'s death failed on (see ]). ] (]) 20:23, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
::::I agree. For me, this is the most apt comparison to Taylor's death. If Puerta didn't make the cut, I don't see how Taylor should. ] 11:25, 2 December 2007 (UTC)
:*I, personally, will not post this. Sean Taylor was notable within football, but he was far from the peak of his field. If Peyton Manning or LT or Favre died, then sure, but not a one-time Pro Bowl safety who nobody who doesn't follow football would have ever heard of before. Also, this hasn't been posted on ], but I wouldn't put it on ITN, anyway. -- ] ] 20:38, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
:Support posting posting, he was well known amongst NFL and NCF fans. His shooting was definitely unexpected and tragic. ] <sub>]</sub> 21:17, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
::And I don't think that if Lawrence Taylor died, that would be ITN-worthy. He's been retired for at least 15 years now. ] <sub>]</sub> 21:21, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
::: I'm pretty sure that Mike was making a reference to LaDainian Tomlinson rather that the the original LT. That said, this is very marginal because while Taylor was probably not very well know to the general non-American football fan. That said, he was notable to those who would've been interested in knowing about him, and was one of the better players in his posistion, so i suppose you might consider him an expert in playing free safety, and it is getting considerable coverage on non-sports news sites, so i'll support this. ] (]) 22:06, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
::::Plus he was well known for off the field actions. ] was on the MP when he died (I think) and wouldn't say he's anymore notable. Support. ] (]) 22:28, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
::::: While this is largely irrelevant, and has no bearing on the Sean Taylor nomination, i would argue that Steve Irwin was 'more' notable that Sean Taylor. I mean he had a TV show (which was probably seen in more countries than American football), starred in a movie about himself, appeared on a lot of talk shows and the Prime Minister of Australia even commented to the media about his untimely death. Sorry about this rather weird tangent i've gone off on ] (]) 22:57, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
::::::No, that was a legit tangent. I'm a huge football fan, and I never liked Steve Irwin, but these people can't be compared. Taylor is someone who, until today, not a single person who didn't follow football was aware of, whereas Irwin was, undoubtedly, the single most notable person in his field (at least, right up there with the Goodall). I understand everyone's points, but I still personally don't think he is even close to the threshold for being placed on ITN, and I'm not going to do it. -- ] ] 23:53, 27 November 2007 (UTC)


==== (Posted) RD: Bob Uecker ====
::::: A more appropriate comparison might be ], whose unexpected death was featured. Although I get the impression that Taylor was somewhat less significant in his field than Woolmer. ] (]) 08:27, 28 November 2007 (UTC)
{{ITN candidate
| article = Bob Uecker
| recent deaths = yes
| sources =
| updated = <!-- (yes/no); Leave blank if you aren't sure -->
| nominator = Muboshgu <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| updaters = <!-- Editor(s) who significantly updated the article, separated by commas -->
| nom cmt = <!-- Additional comments go here -->
| sign = &ndash;&nbsp;]&nbsp;(]) 15:57, 16 January 2025 (UTC) <!-- Do NOT change this -->
}}
* '''Weak support''': Article is mostly fine but is missing a few inline citations. ''']<sub>]</sub>''' 16:08, 16 January 2025 (UTC)
*:Still working to expand and source between meetings today. &ndash;&nbsp;]&nbsp;(]) 17:07, 16 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Support''' Article is well cited and long enough for ITNRD. Cheers, ''atque supra''! ]]] 17:29, 16 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Support''' - with Muboshgu's work, the article looks solid. There's an intriguing dark horse argument for a blurb here, as Uecker reached the pinnacle of his profession (radio baseball broadcasting, although he broke outside that on numerous occasions). That said, I'm not confident it's enough. ]&nbsp;<sup>]]&nbsp;]]</sup> 23:16, 16 January 2025 (UTC)
**Limit g the profession to "baseball radio broadcasting" is far too narrow, I would expect that it would be at least sportscasters or even journalism, and he definitely is not a major figure. It's very easy to think a local beloved personality (here for Milkwalkie as well as in baseball) may be a great figure but we should think at the scope of worldwide aspects of said field.<span id="Masem:1737074273965:WikipediaFTTCLNIn_the_news/Candidates" class="FTTCmt"> —&nbsp;] (]) 00:37, 17 January 2025 (UTC)</span>
*'''Posted'''—] (]) 05:56, 17 January 2025 (UTC)


==November 26== ==References==
Nominators often include links to external websites and other references in discussions on this page. It is usually best to provide such links using the ] <code><nowiki></nowiki></code> rather than using ], because that keeps all the relevant information in the same place as the nomination without having to jump to this section, and facilitates the archiving process.
*''']''' landfalls at the ] ] of ] causing the deaths of 10 people as ] returns to the country via a weather phenomenon known as the ].
:The current ITN item is outdated - the storm veered away from Bicol and instead hit the Northern ]. --'''] ] ]''' 23:52, 26 November 2007 (UTC)
::Updated and moved up in the column. Thanks, ]] 01:50, 27 November 2007 (UTC)


For the times when <code><nowiki><ref></ref></nowiki></code> tags are being used, here are their contents:
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{{Reflist}}{{NOINDEX}}
* Former ] ''']''' ''(pictured)'' returns from exile and files nomination papers for the ] in ] in the wake of the ''']'''. --] (]) 18:51, 26 November 2007 (UTC)
<noinclude>{{Main Page topics|state=collapsed}}
::Posted. Thanks, ]] 01:50, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
]

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*A ''']''' is to be held in ] on ], ].
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Don't really know how to word it. Heres some sources --] <small>(] - ])</small> 18:32, 26 November 2007 (UTC)
:ITN doesn't cover events that have not happened, or at least already begun. To make sure that is covered, please return and post a suggestion once it has started. Thanks, ]] 01:50, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
::It will begin today. I endorse adding: "] ], ] ] and ] ] ''']''' at the ] in ]." ]]<sup>]</sup> 12:51, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

==November 25==
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*At last there appears to be two PD image of the ''Explorer''! --] (]) 11:49, 25 November 2007 (UTC)
:They aren't quite PD, but they are certainly Free. I can provide others if desired; it's mostly a matter of me sorting through several thousand photographs in order to find them. --] (]) 14:08, 25 November 2007 (UTC)
::Sorry, the images don't need to be PD. All free images (PD, GFDL, CC) are OK on the front page. --] (]) 19:07, 25 November 2007 (UTC)
:::Thank you for suggesting the pics. Definitely something to think about when the incoming AussiePM's pic gets stale. --] (]) 20:57, 25 November 2007 (UTC)
::::Do any free images of the ship listing in the ice from the crash exist that we can use? • <span style="font-variant:small-caps"><font color="#800080">]</font></span> 21:42, 25 November 2007 (UTC)
:::::Probably not, unfortunately. It might be possible to find some later, as there were likely a number of pictures taken from the other ships, but it will take a while for those to start appearing. --] (]) 02:30, 26 November 2007 (UTC)
:::::I should note that there are now two more pictures of the Explorer on Commons, but both are from two years ago. They are closer and thus may be more suitable for smaller sizes, however. --] (]) 05:13, 26 November 2007 (UTC)
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:::::There is now an image of the ship listing that has an explanation for why it is in the public domain, due to it being from the Chilean Air Force. I don't know the details of this argument, and there seems to be a slow debate in Commons in the template's talk page as to whether the claim is valid in general, but it possible that the picture would be acceptable. --] (]) 07:38, 26 November 2007 (UTC)
::::::Nice find! Where is the debate there? I didn't see anything linked . If that is a fine image I'd say replace the Australian with that. • <span style="font-variant:small-caps"><font color="#800080">]</font></span> 07:42, 26 November 2007 (UTC)
:::::: Problems: (1) Need to verify that it came from the Chilean Air Force (a URL to the original source would do) (2) Doesn't really fit with rules at the top of ]. --] (]) 16:24, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

* Typhoon Hagibis to re-enter Southern Luzon, ] in the onslought of Typhoon Mitag in Northern Luzon, Tuesday or Wednesday.

* Two typhoons to batter Northern and Southern Philippines simultaneously in the following days.
*:See the format for suggestions above. This is not ]. - ]] 08:19, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

* Already in the portal: ''] ''']''' resigns his position to re-run for the early presidential election scheduled in January 2008, while ''']''' acts in his stead.'' ] (]) 18:00, 25 November 2007 (UTC)
: Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think this is a common and expected pre-election procedure. Saakashvili, if he wins, will get his job back. Is Nino Burjanadze the first female head of state in Georgia? I ain't sure if this temp job is significant enough. This is not a first time for her, anyway. --] (]) 20:57, 25 November 2007 (UTC)
::Well I'm not sure, I'm not Georgian and just think that new heads of state and government should go up on the ITN. ] (]) 21:40, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

* Also: ''''']''' is appointed the new ] after ]'s resignation.'' ] (]) 18:00, 25 November 2007 (UTC)
: ] cites no references. Please add citations. Thanks. --] (]) 20:57, 25 November 2007 (UTC)
::This is the same as the above. ] (]) 21:40, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

==November 24==
* Typhoon Mitag leaves the Bicol region with 6 deaths before traversing towards Aurora-Isabela Provinces Monday morning.
* Typhoon Mitag changes course, expected to make landfall in Aurora-Isabela Provinces in the Philippines tomorrow packing maximum sustained winds of 175 km/h - 210 kp/h moving at 11 km/h NW as opposed to the previous forecast of landfall in the province of Catanduanes. Aurora and Isabela provincial governments were ordered to take immediate evacuation of residents in low-lying areas. Meanwhile, several families who evacuated in the Albay Province are now allowed to go back to their homes but nevertheless, ] in a press release mentions that there is still a possibility that the typhoon may once again change its course. (04:32 GMT)]
::Shouldn't this just fall under the currently posted article? Unless the course change or potential course change isn't hugely notable beforehand, probably not worth mentioning that aspect on the Main Page. • <span style="font-variant:small-caps"><font color="#800080">]</font></span> 05:12, 24 November 2007 (UTC)
:::I suggest to remove the ITN blurb about this for the meantime or change the blurb since the 200k evacuees returned already as the typhoon changed its course to bypass the ] and instead is currently heading into ]-] border. --'''] ] ]''' 07:25, 24 November 2007 (UTC)

*The ], led by ], wins the ], beating ]'s ] government in power since ]. --]] 10:06, 24 November 2007 (UTC)
::I was wondering if someone already put this in. It's also pretty significant, since he's most likely to lose his seat (being one of only two outgoing PMs to have done so) and also due to the fact that he's been the second-longest serving PM in our history. Oh, and don't forget that we'll need some sources:
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::]]] ] 12:09, 24 November 2007 (UTC)
:::Rest assured, federal elections in Australia are notable enough for ITN :) ]]<sup>]</sup> 12:13, 24 November 2007 (UTC)
:::BTW, it would be could if we have his picture in the news section too ]]] ] 12:13, 24 November 2007 (UTC)
::::Posted --]] 12:26, 24 November 2007 (UTC)
Can someone please put one the images from ] in?
:Thanks to whoever did put that pic. But just a heads-up, next to "More than 150 are killed by floodings in Papua New Guinea following Severe Tropical Cyclone Guba", the old "''(pictured)''" is still there. ] (]) 14:49, 24 November 2007 (UTC)

==November 23==
*All 154 passengers and crew members are rescued as their ''']''' after having hit an ] near the ] in the ]. --] (]) 13:36, 23 November 2007 (UTC)
:Posted. ] | ] 20:52, 23 November 2007 (UTC)

*The ] ] has ordered the evacuation of 200,000 people from the ] as ''']''' approaches.
:Big-time storm. --'''] ] ]''' 11:00, 23 November 2007 (UTC)
:Posted. ] | ] 20:52, 23 November 2007 (UTC)

*''']''' declares a ].
Source--] (]) 23:25, 23 November 2007 (UTC)
:There is no updated Misplaced Pages article to point to (yet), so the story doesn't qualify. ] | ] 23:29, 23 November 2007 (UTC)

==November 22==
* ] is suspended from the ''']''' after President ] failed to lift the ] in the country. --] (]) 22:37, 22 November 2007 (UTC)
:i support this; i was just gonna post it here but i see Djs91 has already. its pretty significant--] (]) 01:10, 23 November 2007 (UTC)
::Posted. The word "fail" implies an opinion as to the proper course of action, which I have attempted to avoid by choosing "refuse". Thanks, ]] 02:07, 23 November 2007 (UTC)

* Kind of late on the incoming, but ''''']''' is inaugurated the new ].'' ] (]) 03:58, 28 November 2007 (UTC)
:Posted, in chronological order, as it seems that its inclusion just balances out the template with TFA. Thanks, ]] 05:50, 28 November 2007 (UTC)
::And...I've been reverted by someone who thinks that overall balancing of the Main Page columns is not done by DYK. Sorry, ]] 06:17, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

==November 21==
In ], ] and ] personnel go on strike in a wave of ''']''' against planned ] reforms. --] (]) 11:14, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
:This item was posted some days ago, but removed for being questioned for being to stubby. Since then, the article has been somewhat updated and as it covers an intersting phase in the recently elected Sarkozy government, it seems to meet the ITN criteria. --] (]) 11:14, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
:Its definitely interesting, but what is the international scope or impact of this? • <span style="font-variant:small-caps"><font color="#800080">]</font></span> 17:23, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
::The very existence of this article is, IMHO, gross recentism. It is highly presumptuous to assume that this strike will have any greater significance than any number of previous industrial disputes in recent French history, and in times to come would probably be proportionately dealt with by one sentence in an article on French industrial relations. Does the existence of an ITN section precipitate articles of recentism? ] (]) 17:30, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
:::Well, ITN is an important thing, I think. But I don't think ITN feeds anything, really. As for this article, thats what I was getting at--work stoppages in France aren't a big deal. They happen all the time. If it was a major French airport in Paris it might be worth mentioning, if it caused travel in Europe to foul up, or something like that. This is on the scale of the bus drivers in Los Angeles stopping work or the London underground operators stopping. • <span style="font-variant:small-caps"><font color="#800080">]</font></span> 17:38, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
::::It's not just railway personnel that have gone on strike, teachers and some newspapers have gone on strike as well. But it's not just that: several TGV lines have been sabotaged, including IIRC the northern line to Brussels and the eastern line to Strasbourg and Germany. I think that's significant and international. ]]<sup>]</sup> 11:13, 22 November 2007 (UTC)
:::::Posted. Thanks, ]] 02:07, 23 November 2007 (UTC)

*Flooding following ''']''' kills 71 in southern ]. --] (]) 01:48, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
:See ]. --'''] ] ]''' 03:52, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
::Endorse, 71 deaths in a cyclone is notable. And it would replace a cyclone (Sidr) with a cyclone (Guba), which won't harm the content balance of ITN. ]]<sup>]</sup> 17:22, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
::Support as well for the Guba addition. • <span style="font-variant:small-caps"><font color="#800080">]</font></span> 17:23, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
:::Posted, with more than 150 deaths according to the article :( ]]<sup>]</sup> 12:01, 22 November 2007 (UTC)
::::As it is likely that more information will be available over the next week with the relief efforts, the section on Guba is becoming too big to handle like this. So now I have split the section to its own article, ], to make it easier to organise and expand more information. Could the main link in the news template please be changed? ] (]) 14:16, 22 November 2007 (UTC)
:::::Fixed. ]]<sup>]</sup> 15:32, 22 November 2007 (UTC)
:The actual text uses the word 'floodings', which my spell-checker, at least, says does not exist. Use 'flooding' or 'floods', please. ] (]) 21:22, 22 November 2007 (UTC)

== November 20 ==
* ] "''']'''" records of people who claim ] in the ], leaving up to 7.25 million households susceptible to ].
Major event, and the actual tpart of the article with the information is in the HM Revenue and Customs article
:'''Support''', link to newly created article here: ]. ] (]) 23:14, 20 November 2007 (UTC)
:Support in some form. I added the suggested link to the formulation. But I think the item should be reformulated to mention ]. ] | ] 23:50, 20 November 2007 (UTC)
::I added something in with a link to identity theft --] (]]) 00:53, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
:::I've also re-worded it from families into households, because family tends to indicate parents and children etc, when this may not be the case, it could be foster parents, adoptive children, etc. --] (] • ]) 02:15, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
::::Posted, thanks --]] 05:19, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
:::::International relevance? ] (]) 08:32, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
:::::*What international relevance does an explosion in the Ukraine have? --] (] • ]) 14:03, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
::::::I am not British, and I thought a problem of this size was interesting. I also was in my local news. So it probably has some intrenational interest. ] | ] 11:18, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
:::::I would think a massive data security leak which affects millions of people has relevance for the way data is stored in other countries. If nothing else gives them a chance to laugh at us bungling Brits. 15:28, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
:::::::Fair enough, just asking the question. I realize that data security and identity theft are international issues, just asking if on the surface it wasn't simply a British problem and not much more. I just thought it a fair point to ask, and I agree with you about the Ukraine article, that is dubious at best. ] (]) 00:41, 22 November 2007 (UTC)
*Students and civil servants join the ''']''', which has already crippled the ] sector in ], including the ].
:I didn't find the strike notable before, but with more people joining I think they are. ] (]) 18:44, 20 November 2007 (UTC)
::See format for candidate suggestions above, in particular on links and emboldening. - ]] 21:19, 20 November 2007 (UTC)
:::Thanks and sorry. I reworded it and wiki-linked it. ] (]) 07:05, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
::::Been off-wiki for a bit and just got back on this page. Sorry nobody responded sooner, but I have posted the most recent related suggestion above. Cheers, ]] 02:07, 23 November 2007 (UTC)

==November 19 ==
*65 miners are dead and 35 missing in a ''']''' caused by an underground ] explosion in ] in eastern ]. --] (]) 14:58, 19 November 2007 (UTC)
**Endorse. Many casualties, unfortunately a recurring event, main news item in many countries. ] ] 15:42, 19 November 2007 (UTC)
**Support. • <span style="font-variant:small-caps"><font color="#800080">]</font></span> 19:51, 19 November 2007 (UTC)
::Posted. Thanks, ]] 21:36, 19 November 2007 (UTC)

==November 18==
Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change :
Surprised no one mentioned this, suggest this as it's clearly global in nature:

:''The Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change releases its ''']''' indicating that ] and humanity are now in permanent danger due to ].''

Recommend this be added. • <span style="font-variant:small-caps"><font color="#800080">]</font></span> 00:46, 19 November 2007 (UTC)
:I support the addition of this item.-<font face="cursive" color="#808080">]</font> 02:23, 19 November 2007 (UTC)
:Support. - ] <sup>]</sup> 02:35, 19 November 2007 (UTC)
::Posted. Thanks, ]] 03:21, 19 November 2007 (UTC)

==November 17 ==
*One of the most disturbing news after the ], is that ''']''' and ''']''' have been shut down. ] (]) 09:41, 18 November 2007 (UTC)
:Please suggest items in the format suggested above, as well as making the required updates. - ]] 03:21, 19 November 2007 (UTC)

*Opposition leader ]'s ] declares victory in the ''']''', promising to declare Kosovo's independence if ] fail. --] (]) 02:22, 18 November 2007 (UTC)
:Posted. Thanks, ]] 03:21, 19 November 2007 (UTC)

*] deputy finance minister ''']''', one of Russia's top officials on international financial relations and head of the ], is detained as part of a criminal investigation. --] (]) 18:37, 17 November 2007 (UTC)
:Posted. Thanks, ]] 03:21, 19 November 2007 (UTC)

== November 15 ==
===Balibo Five===
A ] coroner concludes that a group of five journalists, known as the ''']''', were deliberately killed by ] forces in 1975 in order to prevent them exposing Indonesia's 1975 invasion of ]. &mdash; Is of international importance because may mean war crime committed, Balibo Five included two Australians, two Britons and a New Zealander. - ] <sup>]</sup> 03:36, 16 November 2007 (UTC)
:Note: I really do think this should be on the main page. It's a non-trivial and major event that is of international importance. Certainly compared to ] anyhow. - ] <sup>]</sup> 02:47, 17 November 2007 (UTC)
::I can support this being on ITN for at least a day or two before cyclying off. Its international in scope, enough. As for Barry Bonds, American baseball is very popular in more than just America (Japan, for example). Bonds is also arguably one of the Top 3 biggest names still in baseball, and for coverage in the past 2-3 years between the scandals and baseball records, scored as much of a quantity of coverage as Michael Jordan ever did in his heydey during the various years of the Chicago Bulls owning the NBA. Definitely noteworthy, on his entry. • <span style="font-variant:small-caps"><font color="#800080">]</font></span> 17:32, 17 November 2007 (UTC)
*Barry Bonds shouldn't be up there, but I'm not sure this should either. Is this really news anywhere besides Australia and maybe Indonesia? <font face="monospace">]<sup>]</sup><sub>]</sub></font> 06:28, 17 November 2007 (UTC)
**Well it's about security forces from one country killing several foreign reporters while they invade another. It's entirely international, and non-trivial. It's certainly more significant then yet another chapter in the Barry Bonds and drugs saga. - ] <sup>]</sup> 09:17, 17 November 2007 (UTC)
*** I didn't say it's nontrivial, but just because it involves two countries is a pretty weak justification as "international". Can you show "front page" level coverage in, say Europe or the U.S.? <font face="monospace">]<sup>]</sup><sub>]</sub></font> 17:46, 17 November 2007 (UTC)
****Have you read the article? It involves Indonesia and East Timor, and the journalists were from Australia, New Zealand and Britain. That's five not two. - ] <sup>]</sup> 22:50, 17 November 2007 (UTC)

===Barry Bonds===
* ] player ''']''', the all-time ] ] leader, is ] on ] charges of ] and ].
(Note to non-Americans: This is like ] getting indicted.) -- ] 00:18, 16 November 2007 (UTC)
* Added, top story everywhere ] <sup>]</sup> 01:04, 16 November 2007 (UTC)
:(edit conflict) I'm on the fence about this one. Bonds plus investigations into steroid use is nothing new. Perhaps this should go up when a verdict is delivered. ] 01:11, 16 November 2007 (UTC)
:By the way, not that I doubt the significance of Bonds, but "top story everywhere" is a bit misleading. As of now, its (unsurprisingly) nowhere to be seen on BBC News. ] 01:14, 16 November 2007 (UTC)
:: right next to the story on Bhutto. '''<font face="Comic Sans MS">]]</font>''' 01:38, 16 November 2007 (UTC)
::: Come on, what's next, ] arrested for drunk driving, ] for child molestation and ] for saving the dolphins? LOL. Also, an admin may have to look to ] there's an error which is not fixed for a like a day already. --'''] ] ]''' 02:27, 16 November 2007 (UTC)
::::The indictments against Barry Bonds are related to the allegations of the use of anabolic steroids, so it's not completely irrelevant. ]]<sup>]</sup> 02:34, 16 November 2007 (UTC)
:::::But there's no final decision yet, it's only an ], it's like ] to put it on baseball terms (trial - regular season, sentencing - postseason), and in sports, we only post the final result. The Hayden Panettiere save the dolphins issue is more "international" than this, IMHO. --'''] ] ]''' 02:46, 16 November 2007 (UTC)
:::: But one of the top stories in CNN, BBC, Fox News, etc ] <sup>]</sup> 04:33, 16 November 2007 (UTC)
::::: ITN is not Wikinews, CNN or the Beeb. --'''] ] ]''' 05:03, 16 November 2007 (UTC)
:: I think it should be noted that the charges are in connection with the ] investigation. --] <sup>(] : ])</sup> 17:44, 16 November 2007 (UTC)
I dont think this should be on ITN, if we cant have something as big and worldwide as the start of a major sporting world cup, we shouldnt have something like this in there. -- ] (]) 18:45, 16 November 2007 (UTC)
:Shouldn't the blurb mention which country this is happening in? Anyway, just to sum up, it appears that the significance of this story is that somebody (who is very famous in one country) has been accused of committing a not particularly serious crime. I really can't see the importance of this. ] (]) 17:29, 17 November 2007 (UTC)
::Um, federal charges of perjury and obstruction of justice are quite a serious matter. Bonds could theoretically go to prison for years. Anyway, to understand the significance of the Bonds matter, you have to understand the iconic nature of baseball in America and the career home run record in particular. This is not your everyday story of a celebrity getting in trouble with the law. The steroids saga has a particular resonance in American culture, just like the ] in 1920. That said, I'm glad it's been placed under the story of the cyclone.-- ] (]) 22:23, 17 November 2007 (UTC)

===Cyclone Sidr===
Over 1,000 fishermen are missing and mass evacuations are taking place in coastal regions of ] as ''']''' approaches with winds in excess of 130 kt. ] 20:04, 15 November 2007 (UTC)
* Support listing ] but it will likely have effects far beyond just fishermen and I believe the wind speed should be given in kph. <font face="monospace">]<sup>]</sup><sub>]</sub></font> 22:07, 15 November 2007 (UTC)
*: ''']''' makes landfall with wind speeds up to 240 ] in the ] of ] following massive evacuations.
*::Posted. Thanks, ]] 23:23, 15 November 2007 (UTC)
*:::I propose it mention that the cyclone killed over 1000 people, and remove the evacuation notice. ] (<small>]</small>) 21:50, 16 November 2007 (UTC)
*::::Updated. Thanks, ]] 01:23, 17 November 2007 (UTC)

==November 14 ==

*] ] ].
:This is of less clear ITN-worthiness and ] doesn't offer any context on what happened between 1994 and 2007 to cause the change. Please post here again if the article is expanded. Thanks, ]] 05:42, 16 November 2007 (UTC)
::Others went over it and added English-language news source. It would be really great if en.wikipedia.org spread the news of this positive example to the backwards countries. ] (]) 05:21, 17 November 2007 (UTC)

*A magnitude 7,7 ''']''' near the ] town of ] rocks northern Chile, causing widespread damage and power outages, and disrupting copper production. Two deaths have been confirmed, and at least 117 are injured. ] 23:24, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
:Posted, with formatting changes. Thanks, ]] 23:56, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

]
*] prime minister ] ''(pictured)'' liberal-conservative government has secured a third term in office following ''']''' to the ]. --] 08:45, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
:Posted. Thanks, ]] 09:04, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

High speed one to be posted on ITN? Seems good, as its taken just over 10 years, and it is ''finally'' here! <b><font color="red">]</font><font color="gold">]</font></b> 21:27, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

==November 13==
*An ''']''' occurred at the ] ] in ] killing two persons, including a ].
:Well, all explosions that kill someone gets posted so might as well suggest this. --'''] ] ]''' 14:15, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
::If there are articles, that is. Nearly 400,000 Congolese forced from their homes in fighting directly related to the 1994 Rwandan Genocide this year alone and we've managed to get a decent update in time for ITN once. Enough of my soapboxing... Posted. Thanks, ]] 20:31, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

==November 12==
*The football competition in Italy has been suspended, as a result of riots following the death of a supporter. There is one relevant article, ]. I have proposed a move to ] on the article's talk page. Crowd violence earlier this year, ], had also led to the suspension of the competition, and was also posted on ITN. ]]<sup>]</sup> 19:15, 12 November 2007 (UTC)
:Article is light, unmoved, and this may be recentism --]] 23:07, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
*Supporters of Hamas and Fatah have clashed on the Gaza Strip, during commemorations of Yasser Arafat's death three years ago. There doesn't appear to be an article about this though. ]]<sup>]</sup> 19:15, 12 November 2007 (UTC)
:Then we're missing a fundamental prerequisite for ITN. --]] 23:07, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

==November 11==
*''']''' is slated to become the ] in December after winning the ] in a landslide. ] 21:33, 11 November 2007 (UTC)
:I have written a more complete article about the election, so it should probably be bolded as the main link, and it would be nice if we can link to both candidates. I would suggest something like:
:*Left-wing candidate ] wins ''']''' in a landslide. Former frontrunner, conservative ] concedes. ] | ] 00:35, 12 November 2007 (UTC)
:::Posted. Thanks, ]] 01:35, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

==November 10==
* More than 10,000 people in ] participate in an ''']''' against corruption in the ] in ]. --] 15:20, 11 November 2007 (UTC)
:Posted. Thanks, ]] 01:35, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

==November 9==
*A ''']''' is subject to a ] after being found to contain a ] that ] into the ] ], hospitalising several children. --]] 09:05, 9 November 2007 (UTC)
:Definitely interesting enough... is this product global or just mainly in Australia? • <span style="font-variant:small-caps"><font color="#800080">]</font></span> 03:30, 10 November 2007 (UTC)
::Australia, North America, and other are catching up. One of the article refs states it's distributed to 40 countries, I think. The article was created as a result of the recall. The only catch is that it's ''Bindeez'' in Australia and ''Aqua Dots'' in the US, hence my referral to it as a "children's toy", rather than the proper name. Invites a click to find out more if nothing else! --]] 04:36, 10 November 2007 (UTC)
:Does not seem to have international impact for ITN, though its certainly interesting. Probably a good candidate for DYK though. ] 03:48, 10 November 2007 (UTC)
::I believe two of the victims were in the US. And the toys were made in China. '''<font face="Comic Sans MS">]]</font>''' 05:44, 10 November 2007 (UTC)
::I believe this has international impact: the toys were produced in China and sold in at least two continents (Australia and North America). Add to that a wave of recent recalls of Chinese products, like the pet food scare, for instance, which was posted on ITN. I support putting this up. ]]<sup>]</sup> 12:12, 10 November 2007 (UTC)
:::Posted, now internationalism is confirmed --]] 23:51, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

==November 7 ==
]
*] lands in Florida, ending ''']''' to the ].-<font face="cursive" color="#808080">]</font> 19:45, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

*This is a very complicated story, that has been brought up several times before. I don't know if it has reached the level of ITN now, and if so, what the wording should be. The ] has come to a complete halt after a record 150 days. The ] has voted in favour of splitting the electoral arrondissement ], much to the dismay of French-speaking parties in Belgium. Two of those parties are involved in the cabinet formation, ] and ]. There are so many elements involved in this, and the repercussions are so unclear, that a blurb would probably be very wordy. I'll work on the involved articles, but even if this is not up for ITN at the moment, it is coming very close to it. That is why I'm bringing this to your attention. ]]<sup>]</sup> 19:32, 7 November 2007 (UTC)
*President ] ''']''' a ] in the ] capital of ]. --] 19:11, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

*Police ] with ] in the ] capital, ]. --] (]) 13:44, 7 November 2007 (UTC)
::I don't see any info in the article about a state of emergency, though I admittedly used a quick text search, so will go with TheFEARgod's suggestion. Posted. Thanks, ]] 20:17, 7 November 2007 (UTC)
::: reporting on the state of emergency. I suggest ITN is updated to reflect this. ] 15:34, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

*One high school student is confirmed dead and six others are feared killed in a ''']''' in ]. ] 15:09, 7 November 2007 (UTC)
:*No comments but requests elsewhere, so I posted an updated version myself. ] 16:15, 7 November 2007 (UTC)
:: puts the death toll at eight. ] 16:54, 7 November 2007 (UTC)
:::Updated as I made that edit. ] 16:55, 7 November 2007 (UTC)
]
*] formally opens the new ''']''' and ]'s ''']''', the new home for ] ''(pictured)'' linking London with ] and ]. --] 10:02, 7 November 2007 (UTC)
:Certainly, traffic starts ], replacing the Eurostar terminus at ], but the inaugeration seems more notable than the actual shift in the time table. --] 10:02, 7 November 2007 (UTC)
::Posted. Thanks, ]] 00:15, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

==November 6==
]
*] has displaced at least 200,000 people and at least 70 people are missing.
:<small>Suggested by ]\<sup>]</sup> 01:14, 7 November 2007 (UTC)</small>
::Posted. Please format suggested ITN hooks for standard verb tense and with an emboldened item in the future. There is a crop of that image that would work I think - just above the guy's head to get the boat and flooded street - but I can't do it myself at the moment. Thanks for the suggestion, ]] 07:41, 7 November 2007 (UTC)
:::Thanks for posting this and thanks for the format tips. ]\<sup>]</sup> 14:02, 7 November 2007 (UTC)
::::Mexico's a big place. Could we reword this to 'Flooding in the Mexican states of Tabasco and Chiapas...'? ] 14:11, 7 November 2007 (UTC)
:::::Done. Thanks, ]] 20:10, 7 November 2007 (UTC)
*Is there any precedent for posting strike actions on ITN? I feel there should at least be a discussion on this particular one. ] 20:28, 6 November 2007 (UTC)
:It looks like a good item to me. ]\<sup>]</sup> 01:14, 7 November 2007 (UTC)
:See the talk page ] 05:50, 7 November 2007 (UTC)
* The incumbent ] party retains power in the ''']'''.
:Its a small nation, but still a current event of international importance. This is my first ITN suggestion, feel free to reformat, I am no writer. ] 15:39, 6 November 2007 (UTC)
::Posted. Thanks, ]] 07:41, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

==November 5==
]
* ] of the ] is ''']''' ] of ].
:The results table at ] hasn't been fully updated though, and more importantly, doesn't seem to be consistent with . ]]<sup>]</sup> 12:05, 5 November 2007 (UTC)
::Seems updated now . Time to post it? --] 14:28, 5 November 2007 (UTC)
::: Posted. Is there a free (PD) pic of Colom ? --] 15:34, 5 November 2007 (UTC)
:::: ] ''(right)''. --] 20:30, 5 November 2007 (UTC)
:::::Thanks for the pic. I've just posted a cropped version. --] 15:00, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

==November 3==
*] ''']''' declares ] following a rise in violence and political tensions. ] 13:21, 3 November 2007 (UTC)
:Proposed. Not quite sure what part should be in bold. ] 13:21, 3 November 2007 (UTC)

==November 2==
*''']''' is elected ] of the ] of ] following the resignation of ] amid a corruption scandal.
:Fourth highest position in the most populous country in Africa, and the Etteh story has basically paralyzed West African news for weeks. A lot of international observers paid more attention to this then they would the normal changing of a House of Representatives speaker because it was seen as indicative of whether the notoriously corrupt Nigerian political establishment had the will to boot one of its own. Some people say it could signal a major turning point towards a less corrupt National Assembly. So, I think its of international importance; certainly as important as the ] story, which was featured. Will add it if there are no objections shortly. ] ] 01:42, 4 November 2007 (UTC)
::I oppose putting this up. The election of a Speaker is barely newsworthy, regardless of the circumstances, and the information about both the election of the new Speaker and the corruption case involving Etteh is minimal at best. Fourth highest position != highest position. ]]<sup>]</sup> 01:52, 4 November 2007 (UTC)
:::What's the difference between this and Alberto Gonzales? Attorney General is far lower than fourth in the US, correct? Or do you just want me to write more in each of them? (This can be done.) ] ] 01:57, 4 November 2007 (UTC)
::::That means any controversy by the Captains Regent of San Marino has a chance, since after all, it's too far away from the U.S. --'''] ] ]''' 09:03, 4 November 2007 (UTC)
::What a shame this story appears not to have made it. ] 03:40, 5 November 2007 (UTC)
:::Posted. You may want to update ] as well as suggest that as the bolded link. Thanks, ]] 05:27, 5 November 2007 (UTC)
::::IMHO, if there African news that should be posted it should be controversy about Chad and Europeans who "kidnapped" children. It's not even at the now (dunno about the previous days). --'''] ] ]''' 14:35, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

]
*''']''' celebrates ] years, names ] chairman, group on ]s forms.
**Oppose, there's nothing really ITN-worthy about this. ]]<sup>]</sup> 22:22, 3 November 2007 (UTC)
**I too oppose. This isn't close to international significance. ] <sup>] ]</sup> 23:24, 3 November 2007 (UTC)
*''']''', pilot of the ], the first aircraft to drop an ], dies at age 92.
International importance.
:I disagree. What is notable about him happened 60+ years ago, his death is not notable. He was not a leading figure in his field of expertise, and his death was not unexpected, at age 92. He doesn't meet any of our criteria for recently deceased people. ]]<sup>]</sup> 01:09, 3 November 2007 (UTC)
*Something about the floods in Mexico should probably be mentioned, but the relevant section at ] is sparse to say the least. Here's a about it. ] 21:26, 2 November 2007 (UTC)
:The Mexican flooding should definitely be featured in ITN; it's as relevant and as important as the California fires we featured for days. • <span style="font-variant:small-caps"><font color="#800080">]</font></span> 21:32, 2 November 2007 (UTC)
::This should definitely be included, but are these floodings part of Hurricane Noel or not? If so, they should be mentioned in one blurb. ]]<sup>]</sup> 22:13, 2 November 2007 (UTC)
:::From The Guardian article I quoted: "The flooding was not related to tropical storm Noel". Anyway how abut this for a blurb:
:::"More than a million people are affected by ''']''' in the ] state of ]." ] 03:20, 3 November 2007 (UTC)
::::The reason I asked it is , which says: "The floods were triggered by storms that crippled Mexico's oil industry." Is there a Misplaced Pages article on those storms? I couldn't find anything on ]. BTW, the floodings have also affected the state of ]. ]]<sup>]</sup> 13:51, 3 November 2007 (UTC)

==November 1==
]
*Probably a bit gossipy: "''']''' announces her retirement from ] after ] for ] during the ]." ]]<sup>]</sup> 21:32, 1 November 2007 (UTC)
**If it goes up it needs to state that she denies the drug use. --]] 01:52, 2 November 2007 (UTC)
***Silly POV question: is she still important enough internationally, today, to merit this? Deferring to tennis experts here. • <span style="font-variant:small-caps"><font color="#800080">]</font></span> 04:51, 2 November 2007 (UTC)
:No, it's not. Something like an multi-time Olympic gold medalist having to give away their medals is ITN worthy. A random athlete retiring from a sport isn't all that big. --] 07:39, 2 November 2007 (UTC)
::If she does return all of her trophies and prize money (not gonna happen) then it'll be ITN worthy. --'''] ] ]''' 09:31, 2 November 2007 (UTC)
:::The reason I brought this up for consideration is that it 1) involves a notable tennis player (winning 5 grand slam singles titles, 9 grand slam doubles titles, 38 WTA Tour singles titles and 29 WTA Tour doubles titles is no mean feat); 2) involves a notable topic (doping in sport); 3) involves a highly notable tournament (Wimbledon). ]]<sup>]</sup> 11:53, 2 November 2007 (UTC)
::::Perhaps if Hingis had won Wimbledon... But she went out in the third round, and its not even as if cocaine is a performance-enhancing drug. Had this happened when Hingis was at her peak, then this would be sure-fire ITN material. As it is, she already retired once before, and she hasn't won a Grand Slam for eight years. ] 15:34, 2 November 2007 (UTC)
::::If Hingis was U.S. American then we wouldn't even be discussing about this here... --'''] ] ]''' 16:42, 2 November 2007 (UTC)
:::::American athletes being busted for various drugs isn't exactly earth-shattering news, anymore. Sometimes its even slow-news-day fodder. • <span style="font-variant:small-caps"><font color="#800080">]</font></span> 22:15, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

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This page contains a section for each day and a sub-section for each nomination. To see the size and title of each section, please expand the following section size summary.

Section sizes
Section size for Misplaced Pages:In the news/Candidates (46 sections)
Section name Byte
count		 Section
total
(Top) 359 359
Archives 157 157
Sections 263 263
January 23 170 170
2025 Jalgaon train accident 3,850 3,850
(Closed) Same-sex marriage in Thailand 2,986 2,986
January 22 122 122
RD: Nicholas Eadie 861 861
January 2025 Gulf Coast blizzard 12,391 12,391
RD: Tabish Mehdi 1,338 1,338
RD: Charles A. Doswell III 1,064 1,064
January 21 122 122
RD: Mauricio Funes 2,543 2,543
(Closed) RD: Francisco San Martin 1,376 1,376
RD: Garth Hudson 857 857
RD: Jules Feiffer 958 958
(Posted) Kartalkaya hotel fire 6,768 6,768
RD: Håkon Bleken 1,077 1,077
(Closed) Trump executive orders 10,587 10,587
January 20 122 122
RD: John Sykes 1,378 1,378
2024–25 College Football Playoff 19,222 19,222
(Posted) 2025 Catatumbo attacks 7,728 7,728
RD: Cecile Richards 1,729 1,729
(Closed) Second inauguration of Donald Trump 4,436 4,436
January 19 123 123
(Posted) RD: Jeff Torborg 965 965
(Ready) RD: Kulanthai Shanmugalingaml 1,009 1,009
(Closed) Restrictions on TikTok in the United States 28,181 28,181
Storming of South Korean court 3,133 3,133
January 18 122 122
(Posted) RD: Claire van Kampen 1,480 1,480
(Posted) 2025 assassination of Sharia judges in Iran 7,440 7,440
2025 Suleja fuel tanker explosion 4,725 4,725
(Posted) RD: Russell Marshall 1,024 1,024
January 17 122 122
(Posted RD) Didier Guillaume 11,322 11,322
(Posted) RD: Denis Law 4,288 4,288
(Posted) RD: Joan Plowright 2,369 2,369
January 16 122 122
(Posted) RD: Hans Dobida 934 934
(Removed) California fires to ongoing 6,319 6,319
(Closed) New Glenn launch 9,523 9,523
(Posted blurb) RD/Blurb: David Lynch 11,055 11,055
(Posted) RD: Bob Uecker 2,573 2,573
References 830 830
Total 180,123 180,123

January 23

Portal:Current events/2025 January 23
January 23, 2025 (2025-01-23) (Thursday)

Disasters and accidents

Law and crime

2025 Jalgaon train accident

Article: 2025 Jalgaon train accident (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Rail accident kills 12 in Maharashtra, India (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ 12 dead as passengers get down on tracks, run over by another train Maharashtra, India
News source(s): CNN, BBC The hindu, Indian express
Credits:

Nominator's comments: 12 people were killed after being run over by the Pushpak Express in Maharashtra, India Spworld2 (talk) 09:09, 23 January 2025 (UTC)

Oppose, it is very short. History6042😊 (Contact me) 13:33, 23 January 2025 (UTC)

(Closed) Same-sex marriage in Thailand

Consensus to post will not develop. Stephen 01:51, 23 January 2025 (UTC)

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Article: Same-sex marriage in Thailand (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Thailand becomes the 38th country and the first in Southeast Asia to legalize same-sex marriage. (Post)
News source(s): TIME Metro
Credits: Nominator's comments: Historic event. ArionStar (talk) 00:06, 23 January 2025 (UTC)
Oppose "38th". Enough said. Masem (t) 00:45, 23 January 2025 (UTC)
Oppose, I do not see how this is important. It is the 38th and we don't post every single change in the law of every single country. History6042😊 (Contact me) 01:19, 23 January 2025 (UTC)
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January 22

Portal:Current events/2025 January 22
January 22, 2025 (2025-01-22) (Wednesday)

Armed conflicts and attacks

Business and economy

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RD: Nicholas Eadie

Article: Nicholas Eadie (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): ,
Credits:
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Misplaced Pages article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

 Happily888 (talk) 04:09, 23 January 2025 (UTC)

January 2025 Gulf Coast blizzard

Proposed image Article: January 20–22, 2025 Gulf Coast blizzard (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ The first recorded blizzard in the Gulf Coast of the United States (snowfall pictured in Carlyss, Louisiana) results in at least ten deaths and more than $14 billion in damage. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ A winter storm in the Gulf Coast of the United States (snowfall pictured in Carlyss, Louisiana) results in record snowfall across several states and at least ten deaths.
News source(s): CNN USA Today
Credits:

Nominator's comments: Unusual and impactful event. ArionStar (talk) 22:44, 22 January 2025 (UTC)

  • Oppose routine season weather (at least, in the face of climate change). Unless it causes significant deaths or damage, we don't post routine weather events. Masem (t) 22:57, 22 January 2025 (UTC)
    It is the first blizzard recorded in the Gulf Coast history and caused $14-$17 billion in damage… ArionStar (talk) 23:09, 22 January 2025 (UTC)
    To add to my oppose, the quality of this article is typical of these types of non-destructive storms - that is, poor. In that it is the equivalent of trainspotting wrt news topics. It just lists various things by state that were impacted or shut down without any attempt at a larger narrative structure. That might be good for starting an article but it does not represent the quality that other event articles at least get (And I'm ignoring the two empty sections at this point). Its the equivalent of WP:PROSELINE. At *least* there's no "thoughts and prayers"-type reaction section; what reactions are present are at least in context and actual "reactions" to response to the storm like states of emergency. And further, while some may think this is the first big storm in the south (just because the most SE states are getting snow), lest we forget February 13–17, 2021 North American winter storm, which had a far more serious impact on the southern states than this one and was also a Gulf storm. Basically, most of the coverage on this storm is equivalent to first-world problems of people in an tech-savvy nation having to deal with snow for the first time in their lives. --Masem (t) 01:30, 23 January 2025 (UTC)
Support 10 inches of snow in New Orleans per NBC. Also, 5.5 inches of snow in Florida, a new record. 9 deaths isn't that much but given the state of infrastructure in the South being more prepared for heatwaves than cold snaps and blizzards that toll is going to rise a lot. I'd hold out on the monetary toll, though. Departure– (talk) 23:10, 22 January 2025 (UTC)
Yes, but for now this is significant, and the "oh, just climate change" rationale shouldn't undermine that. Will we stop featuring Cat. 5 hurricanes if every one is bigger than the one a year before, assuming they happen yearly? EF 23:32, 22 January 2025 (UTC)
If a cat 5 hurricane causes significant loss of life, yes. A blizzard may be unusual in the south but I see no reports of any deaths, just ppl being unable to leave homes and go to work. Masem (t) 00:47, 23 January 2025 (UTC)
Correction I seen now ten deaths are reported, though I still feel that's a low number for this to be posted. Masem (t) 00:49, 23 January 2025 (UTC)
Support as this is clearly a historic blizzard. Norbillian (talk) 23:53, 22 January 2025 (UTC)
  • Support. Unusual and perhaps entirely unprecedented meteorological event. Consider the fact that the damages in this situation likely don't factor in economic disruption, which will likely be quite high given poor road conditions are expected to persist through the end of the workweek in areas such as New Orleans. I have proposed an alt that adjusts a few things (I believe recorded records to be the main story here, actually, and I think "blizzard" is a bit misleading in this scenario; from what I heard, the full conditions for a "blizzard" were ultimately not met, even if "blizzard conditions" were present in some locales at some times). DarkSide830 (talk) 00:21, 23 January 2025 (UTC)
Support - insanely rare event. Solid impacts and several deaths. (not sure what happened to another user's and my comment) Wildfireupdateman :) (talk) 01:54, 23 January 2025 (UTC)
 Question: observing the pile-on support, when is a blurb ready? ArionStar (talk) 03:41, 23 January 2025 (UTC)
@ArionStar: This question was asked only 5 hours after the nomination, during the middle of the night for editors in Europe. Unless there's some unusual urgency, it's usually best to wait 24 hours to give an opportunity for everyone to comment. Modest Genius 13:06, 23 January 2025 (UTC)
Thank you! I'm still understanding the ITN business. ArionStar (talk) 13:11, 23 January 2025 (UTC)

RD: Tabish Mehdi

Article: Tabish Mehdi (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Inquilab, Daily Jasarat
Credits:
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Misplaced Pages article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Indian poet, a literary critic, journalist, and writer. Khaatir (talk) 18:48, 22 January 2025 (UTC)

  • Oppose His literacy work section needs more citations. Cheers, atque supra! Fakescientist8000 02:14, 23 January 2025 (UTC)
    @Fakescientist8000 Thank you for your feedback. I have revised the Literary works section by reducing the number of books and retaining only a few key titles, with references that were already provided, such as Naqsh-e-Awwal (1971), Ghazal Khwani Nahin Jati (2020), and Hali, Shibli aur Iqbal (2017). These works are included with their proper citations and comply with Misplaced Pages’s guidelines. I hope this resolves your concerns. Khaatir (talk) 14:53, 23 January 2025 (UTC)

RD: Charles A. Doswell III

Article: Charles A. Doswell III (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Meteoweb
Credits:
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Misplaced Pages article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Meteorology researcher who pioneered the modern model of the supercell. I have notability/quality concerns but putting it here to see what others think. Wildfireupdateman (talk) 18:22, 22 January 2025 (UTC)

Oppose Research should be better detailed, and there's an unsourced paragraph in there. Departure– (talk) 18:35, 22 January 2025 (UTC)

January 21

Portal:Current events/2025 January 21
January 21, 2025 (2025-01-21) (Tuesday)

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RD: Mauricio Funes

Article: Mauricio Funes (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): AP, Rtrs
Credits:
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Misplaced Pages article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: President of El Salvador 2009–14 (FMLN), died in exile in Nicaragua on 21 Jan. Moscow Mule (talk) 17:38, 22 January 2025 (UTC)

Comment This should be a blurb as Funes was the head of both state and government in El Salvador. Departure– (talk) 17:41, 22 January 2025 (UTC)
Support, weak oppose blurb - Funes is nowhere near as well known than other world leaders. I might be thinking with a hint of Americentrism though. Wildfireupdateman :) (talk) 17:57, 22 January 2025 (UTC)
Comment. I'd be surprised if he was deemed worthy of a blurb. It's not automatic for former heads of state/govt: Carter/Fujimori/Mandela/Thatcher he wasn't. There might be a case to be argued on the grounds of the "symbolic" importance of the handover of power after the Civil War, but it's not a strong one. Moscow Mule (talk) 18:10, 22 January 2025 (UTC)
Oppose blurb not a serving head of state/gov't. This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 18:51, 22 January 2025 (UTC)

(Closed) RD: Francisco San Martin

Article at AfD. (non-admin closure) Curbon7 (talk) 02:00, 23 January 2025 (UTC)

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Article: Francisco San Martin (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): LA Times
Credits:
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Misplaced Pages article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.Nominator's comments: Spanish American actor. Death announced 21 January. Thriley (talk) 17:35, 22 January 2025 (UTC) The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

RD: Garth Hudson

Article: Garth Hudson (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Toronto Star, Ultimate Classic Rock
Credits:
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Misplaced Pages article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: American musician, member of The Band, death announced today. GeoGreg (talk) 18:33, 21 January 2025 (UTC)

RD: Jules Feiffer

Article: Jules Feiffer (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Washington Post, The Hollywood Reporter
Credits:
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Misplaced Pages article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: American cartoonist, death announced today. Sunshineisles2 (talk) 16:09, 21 January 2025 (UTC)

(Posted) Kartalkaya hotel fire

Article: 2025 Kartalkaya hotel fire (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ A fire in a ski resort hotel in Kartalkaya, Bolu Province, Turkey, kills at least 66 people and injures 51 others. (Post)
News source(s): CBS News
Credits:

Nominator's comments: Another tragedy. Another article to work. ArionStar (talk) 13:37, 21 January 2025 (UTC)

Like all of my other votes, Oppose on quality but Support on notability Bloxzge 025 (talk) 13:51, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
@Bloxzge 025: in good shape now. ArionStar (talk) 14:27, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
Looking better but still can be improved. Bloxzge 025 (talk) 21:02, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
Weak Support - article is slightly stubby. Wildfireupdateman :) (talk) 18:57, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
Wait: 24 hours or so, see if the article gets fleshed out? As it currently stands, it's not something we should be proud to put on the main page. Moscow Mule (talk) 19:01, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
WP:NEWSEVENT explains "Routine kinds of news events (including most crimes, accidents, deaths, "shock" news, ...) – whether or not tragic or widely reported at the time – are usually not notable unless something further gives them additional enduring significance. I'm not seeing anything further in this case. Andrew🐉(talk) 20:20, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
  • Posted - consensus that it's significant enough to post, and also rough consensus that quality is just about there. Hopefully it will be expanded further as more details emerge.  — Amakuru (talk) 19:42, 21 January 2025 (UTC)

RD: Håkon Bleken

Article: Håkon Bleken (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NRK, abcnyheter.no
Credits:
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Misplaced Pages article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Norwegian painter. Needs more updates. Oceanh (talk) 11:23, 21 January 2025 (UTC)

(Closed) Trump executive orders

SNOW close. Could be posted if focused on a specific executive order, but even that seems unlikely. (non-admin closure) Natg 19 (talk) 18:19, 21 January 2025 (UTC)

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Proposed image Article: List of executive orders in the second presidency of Donald Trump (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Incoming US President Donald Trump (pictured) issues a flurry of executive orders including withdrawal from the Paris Agreement and the World Health Organization (Post)
News source(s): BBC, NYT, Al Jazeera, DW
Credits:
Article updatedNominator's comments: These executive orders are in the news and include internationally significant actions such as withdrawal from the Paris climate agreement and the WHO. Andrew🐉(talk) 10:58, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
  • Oppose - 1) he already campaigned on doing this, so this action was entirely expected, 2) both withdrawals already happened last time, and 3) a nomination for the 1st WHO withdrawal was made in July 7 2020 and failed to gain consensus. The Paris Agreement one was posted in June 2017, though I'd note that a second withdrawal doesn't have the same impact the original one did. This isn't the American Misplaced Pages; this is the English Misplaced Pages. Not everything that Donald Trump does needs to be ITN. And these executive orders were not the most important; he also signed an executive order (illegally) trying to end birthright citizenship for immigrants who came in illegally, declared a state of emergency at the southern border, and an executive order proclaiming only two genders. 2A02:C7C:2DCE:1F00:C5C1:C762:3EA7:2882 (talk) 11:44, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
The nominated article lists all of the orders. The selection of examples in the blurb can be expanded or amended to taste. Andrew🐉(talk) 12:25, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
We posted other unsurprising changes to international organizations recently such as Bulgaria joining Schengen and Indonesia joining BRICS. This bundle seems to be a bigger deal. Andrew🐉(talk) 12:18, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
And then what about the next bundle? and the one after that? Black Kite (talk) 15:17, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
It appears that this is an exceptional salvo but the nominated article will continue to cover any further orders. If the stream of orders remains a significant topic, as it is currently, then it can be put into Ongoing. Andrew🐉(talk) 15:40, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
Support - Front-page news everywhere PrecariousWorlds (talk) 15:44, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
  • Wait on the Paris Agreement and WHO withdrawals, oppose the other orders or lumping them together, strong oppose on quality. Taking the US out of the Paris Agreement is hugely consequential for the entire world, not just the US. I know Trump did the same thing in his first term, but the process took years and had barely taken effect when Biden reversed the decision. For that exact reason, we should wait until the US actually exits the agreement, not just Trump's order telling his officials to do so. The WHO is a similar situation though perhaps not quite as impactful. The other executive orders are domestic politics that ITN avoids, and lumping them all together to make one blurb is a bad idea. The article is just a list with no context or explanation of what these orders actually do, utterly unsuited to being a bold link on the Main Page. Modest Genius 15:50, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
  • Oppose all the above. It’s not even the top story of what Trump did yesterday or today, and likely won’t be tomorrow or the next day either. nableezy - 16:08, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
  • Oppose Agree with Modest Genius. This is a very poor nom barely defining what exactly is the main topic area for which to determine notability (we do not post broad lumpen lists like this). ITN regulars should not be making such mistakes. Gotitbro (talk) 16:18, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
  • Oppose just signing a bunch of orders is very nonspecific. If there was one in particular that stuck out maybe, but this is simply too broad to be useful. Withdrawal from the climate accords and WHO may be more acceptable, but would be best left til they actually happen. La Ovo (talk) 17:34, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
  • Oppose This is not Trump's personal news station. Maybe the Paris Agreement and WHO withdrawals, but not all the executive orders he's signed in the past 24 hours. qw3rty 18:18, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
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January 20

Portal:Current events/2025 January 20
January 20, 2025 (2025-01-20) (Monday)

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RD: John Sykes

Article: John Sykes (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Rolling Stone
Credits:
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Misplaced Pages article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Guitarist for Whitesnake, Thin Lizzy and Tygers of Pan Tang. Death announced on Jan 20. 240F:7A:6253:1:CC27:6B75:1481:D667 (talk) 17:21, 21 January 2025 (UTC)

2024–25 College Football Playoff

Article: 2025 College Football Playoff National Championship (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ In college football Ohio State defeats Notre Dame to win the 2024–25 College Football Playoff. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ In college football the Ohio State Buckeyes defeat the Notre Dame Fighting Irish to win the 2024–25 College Football Playoff.
News source(s): Guardian live updates
Credits:

Nominator's comments: They finally found a way to hike tournament size from 4 teams to 12 removing or greatly weakening one of the arguments against posting. Tradition+New Years Six tourism beneficiaries is why it took so long (college football started 1869 AD). Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 00:09, 21 January 2025 (UTC)

  • Being amateur is irrelevant; we post the college basketball championship, which is not the top, professional event in its sport in the U.S. – and college football is actually more popular than that. BeanieFan11 (talk) 01:23, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
    We largely refrain from posting amateur sports. Historically, we have only posted the top event in each sport for each country here. I see no reason to start posting the national championship for football now. Noah, BSBA 01:25, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
    Historically, we have only posted the top event in each sport for each country here. – nope, not true. We post the less popular college basketball championship which is not the top basketball championship in the U.S. And college football is amateur in name only at this point: last year, over a dozen college players made more money from playing than Super Bowl quarterback Brock Purdy. BeanieFan11 (talk) 01:35, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
Yes, it is because it's not considered professional football. That is the NFL which college athletes graduate to when they are drafted by a team. A scholarship is different than a salary. Noah, BSBA 03:35, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
Man, I hate to be the one to tell you about the NIL, but college players are being paid salaries now. Scuba 21:21, 22 January 2025 (UTC)
Support top level of college football, any claim that it is amateur is clearly coming from people who have never watched a game of D1 college football in their lives. Scuba 00:02, 22 January 2025 (UTC)
'College football' is not a separate sport. The top level of American Football is the Superb Owl. GenevieveDEon (talk) 00:32, 22 January 2025 (UTC)
If "Canadian Football" is a separate sport (we post the grey cup), then College Football is also a separate sport, since the rules are just as different. I'm sure that Owl is really Superb. Scuba 15:12, 22 January 2025 (UTC)
Strong Support This is the major championship of probably the 2nd or 3rd most popular sport in the US. Anyone opposing on the basis of "amateur" status is so ill-informed that they really shouldn't be commenting at all. How it isn't ITN/R is beyond me. If this isn't ITN/R, then we need to get rid of about 2/3s of the recurring events listed on that page. LocoTacoFever (talk) 16:01, 22 January 2025 (UTC)
"This is the major championship..." - No, it's not. That's the Superbowl. This is nothing like that. GenevieveDEon (talk) 16:49, 22 January 2025 (UTC)

I'm not American, and was commenting from an international perspective. College footballers obviously don't pay their own way. You internal definition is not a globally recognised one. HiLo48 (talk) 04:54, 21 January 2025 (UTC)

They make up to $6.2 million from side money like their share of college football video game name image license rights without getting paid (Spain website). Recent lawsuit made it illegal to not do that when NFL players get their cut of NFL video game right to use their name etc fees. Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 16:52, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
Moved. Masem (t) 01:22, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
It's not UTC date? Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 01:39, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
ITNC should be posted on the date based on the date first reported, which we have usually taken to be in the country where the event happens if it is localized like that. — Masem (t) 03:02, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
  • Can we stop proposing these noms before the winner of the game in question is determined? DarkSide830 (talk) 01:26, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
  • Support on notability, once winner determined. This is a massive, massive deal in the U.S. – the second biggest sporting event in the U.S. annually. Its becoming larger and more popular each year (notably, the size of the bracket was tripled this year) and increasingly more covered internationally (last year I presented articles on it in a dozen different countries on multiple continents) – over 700 players were non-US as of 2022 ("Record number of international athletes proves college football is now global"), and its amateur in name only: as shown above, 16 players made more playing college football last year than Super Bowl starting quarterback Brock Purdy (even one high school recruit I made an article for will receive several million per year for signing with a particular team). Not that being amateur would prevent posting, however, as we post the equivalent-but-less-popular college basketball championship. Attendance regularly gets near 100,000 for some teams, with most of the largest sports stadiums in the world being for college football. I previously made a comparison of the viewership for the college football championship compared to numerous other ITN events and it bested nearly every single one we post, including all but one of those in the U.S. That includes events such as the NBA Finals, Stanley Cup Finals and the World Series, which the CFP beats by large margins. Further, describing this as a "second-tier" league to the NFL shows a fundamental misunderstanding of how college football works – its a whole different thing from the NFL. This is extremely obviously an event notable enough to post, and it deserves to be featured. BeanieFan11 (talk) 02:18, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
  • Wait The game is not over yet. ArionStar (talk) 02:36, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
  • Support on notability per Beanie. The Kip 04:27, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
  • Oppose - I’ve changed my view a bit on this, and I’ve come down on the side that this really isn’t that big a news story, and that we post way too many sports stories as is. Yes, it’s considerably bigger than many things in ITNR, but I think that’s best dealt with by paring ITNR down quite a bit and not posting what’s a fairly trivial story. nableezy - 05:28, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
  • Oppose I've always been against posting amateur sport events (I'm still against posting the NCAA event though it was pushed through as an ITN/R item.), so my view on this is still a resounding no despite the claims about its commercial success. Moreover, there's no indication that this event has had any major impact on popularising the sport amongst the young population around the globe over the past 15 years as there are no newly established equivalent competitions in other countries (As a comparison, snooker has become a major sport in China over the same period.).--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 08:40, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
  • Oppose not the top level of the sport. I don't think we should be posting any university sporting events (Boat Race, NCAA etc.) and have consistently opposed them all for years. Yes the NCAA basketball is currently on INTR, but I would rather see that removed from the list than compound the error by posting college football as well. I appreciate this event has an unusually outsized cultural impact in the US, including TV audience. However American football is really only popular in one country and we already post the Superbowl every year - that's enough coverage for what is a minority sport in global terms. The argument that college football and the NFL are different sports is spurious - there are only very minor rules adjustments, less than the difference between NHL and IIHF ice hockey, which no-one considers different sports. Modest Genius 12:17, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
    Is Canadian football a different sport? Its cup is rightfully on+its rules are different enough that their attempt @ a binational expansion+some but not all crossover players failed but similar enough that many Canadians are fans of American football or both. Even 1st or 2nd college football draft picks can+have failed to adjust to the NFL the strategy's different. More games, longer season, smaller rosters, better defense, less off-season to try to fully recover from that, lower average scores. Defense is so hard to learn they rarely if ever master it till they're already in NFL. Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 17:27, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
  • Oppose per Modest Genius. _-_Alsor (talk) 15:09, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
  • Comment Considering that new NIL deals mean that top college players make more than some low-end professional players, can we really consider NCAA college ball to be 'amateur'? Cheers, atque supra! Fakescientist8000 17:41, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
  • Oppose - We don't post the Boat Race, we don't post other nations' student events, we shouldn't post this. (And we also shouldn't post NCAA Basketball.) GenevieveDEon (talk) 23:37, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
  • Support — Nowadays, college football isn't really an "amateur" version of American football but rather just a different version of it, one that is massively popular in the United States (and, in ITNC lingo, whose conclusion was widely covered by reliable sources). And I disagree with the idea that we only post the "top" competition in each sport. The World Cup is undoubtedly the highest and most prestigious level of competition in international football, but we still post the UEFA Euro and Copa America, for instance. And, of course, as many have mentioned, we do indeed post the NCAA college basketball tournament in the U.S. DecafPotato (talk) 01:08, 22 January 2025 (UTC)
    College football playoffs last year had about 15 M viewers. The Super Bowl nearly 100 M. The latest World Cup was estimated to be 5 billion worldwide. It is extremely clear that association football has massive worldwide interest that featuring only the World Cup would be trivializing the sport. Masem (t) 01:20, 22 January 2025 (UTC)
  • Support Quality article, covered widely in the press. In general, I favor posting major university-level sporting events as long as there is a quality article. Spencer 03:15, 22 January 2025 (UTC)
  • Oppose Whilst I wouldn't post the NCAA either, I can at least admit that it gets decent coverage outside the USA, i.e. on BBC Sport. This event, however, does not appear in the news to that level at all - for example there does not appear to be a BBC Sport story on it at all; there is a Sky Sports story but it's not on the front pages and is indeed buried down as the 7th story on the NFL page. Black Kite (talk) 15:23, 22 January 2025 (UTC)
  • Support. Admittedly I am a Buckeye so I do have a bit of bias, but I believe that the amount of international coverage described to by BeanieFan is sufficient to warrant inclusion. Plus, college football is easily one of the most internationally significant parts of American culture, up there with apple pie. Some teams such as Bama have sizable followings across Mexico, China, Australia, and Western Europe (per al.com) InvadingInvader (userpage, talk) 14:05, 23 January 2025 (UTC)

(Posted) 2025 Catatumbo attacks

Article: 2025 Catatumbo attacks (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ A series of attacks perpetrated by the National Liberation Army in the Catatumbo region, Colombia, results in more than 100 deaths and several others injured, kidnapped and displaced. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ A series of attacks in the Catatumbo region of Colombia leave several people dead, kidnapped and displaced, while president Gustavo Petro declares state of emergency.
Alternative blurb II: ​ A series of attacks by the National Liberation Army in the Catatumbo region of Colombia leave more than a hundred people dead, and president Gustavo Petro declares state of emergency.
News source(s): Al Jazeera
Credits:

Nominator's comments: The article is under construction but we have relevant events in the Colombian conflict. ArionStar (talk) 02:45, 20 January 2025 (UTC)

RD: Cecile Richards

Article: Cecile Richards (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s):
Credits:
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 – Muboshgu (talk) 15:09, 20 January 2025 (UTC)

:Weak oppose 2 uncited awards at the end, but the article looks good otherwise. Departure– (talk) 15:14, 20 January 2025 (UTC)

(Closed) Second inauguration of Donald Trump

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Proposed image Article: Second inauguration of Donald Trump (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Donald Trump is inaugurated for a second non-consecutive term as President of the United States. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Donald Trump and JD Vance are inaugurated as President and Vice President of the United States.
News source(s):
Credits: Nominator's comments: This occurs at noon EST today. JohnAdams1800 (talk) 14:30, 20 January 2025 (UTC)
Strong oppose we posted the election months ago. Unless we see another capitol attack, there's hardly anything notable about this inauguration over the election that preceded it. Except, it's taking place... inside? In that case, we should post the cold wave that's affecting half of the US today, because I can tell you right now that's actually going to be newsworthy even if it isn't posted. Departure– (talk) 14:40, 20 January 2025 (UTC)
Support meets all the criteria for posting. It is in the news (very much so), it is notable and with some minor improvements the article will be up to shape. 2A02:8071:78E3:DE40:3DEF:5E7B:72CC:6A64 (talk) 14:46, 20 January 2025 (UTC)
  • Oppose presidential inaugurations are not ITNR nor ITN-worthy. Consensus must be kept in mind so as not to have this discussion every four years. And in fact, the formal ceremony has not even begun. _-_Alsor (talk) 14:58, 20 January 2025 (UTC)
  • Oppose and snow close per above. The Kip 15:08, 20 January 2025 (UTC)
  • Strong oppose Trump was already elected in November, this is just a normal consequence of that. We didn't post Biden's inauguration nor Trump's first. OTD already has a link to Inauguration Day for anyone looking for it on the front page. PolarManne (talk) 15:20, 20 January 2025 (UTC)
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(Posted) RD: Jeff Torborg

Article: Jeff Torborg (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
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 – Muboshgu (talk) 01:23, 20 January 2025 (UTC)

(Ready) RD: Kulanthai Shanmugalingaml

Article: Kulanthai Shanmugalingam (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Northbeat
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Nominator's comments: prominent historian, dramatist and playwright in Sri Lanka Abishe (talk) 09:50, 19 January 2025 (UTC)

(Closed) Restrictions on TikTok in the United States

Withdrawn. Royiswariii 23:22, 19 January 2025 (UTC)

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Proposed image Article: Restrictions on TikTok in the United States (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Social media platform TikTok (message pictured) suspends operations in the United States after its parent company ByteDance fails to sell the app to a U.S. based buyer. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Social media TikTok (message pictured) is officially shut down in the United States following ByteDance inability to comply with a government mandate to transfer ownership to a U.S. entity.
Alternative blurb II: ​ Social media platform TikTok is shut down in the United States (message pictured) following ByteDance's inability to comply with a government mandate to transfer ownership to a U.S. entity.
Alternative blurb III: ​ Social media platform TikTok is shut down in the United States (message pictured) in anticipation of legislation banning the app.
News source(s): TheVerge CNN Rappler Reuters
Credits: Nominator's comments: Also, nominated by QalasQalas Royiswariii Talk! 04:16, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
Strong support lmao this is big coming from the country that promotes "free speach speech" 𐩣𐩫𐩧𐩨 Abo Yemen (𓃵) 08:13, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
Support with modifications. Shutdown is a noun, so it should say "shut down in the United States". 675930s (talk) 05:18, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
Fixed. DigitalIceAge (talk) 06:40, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
Oppose - This is literally just the ban coming into effect, which everyone knows. You should have made the court decision on that day ITN. SimpleSubCubicGraph (talk) 05:21, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
Also Trump may give leniency and suspend the enforcement for 90 days, so its not like it even matters. SimpleSubCubicGraph (talk) 05:22, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
Support the original altblurb II. Social media platform TikTok shuts down in the United States, as it doesn't lay the blame squarely on ByteDance. The ban isn't premised just on American legal compliance, but also on the wider geopolitics of platform ecosystems. 2600:1700:5890:69F0:3DB3:30C8:4F5F:E360 (talk) 04:26, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
Support first blurb. Obviously notable Personisinsterest (talk) 04:29, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
Alt2 actually. And I think the ban image fits better Personisinsterest (talk) 04:33, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
Oppose It was just a fucking Trump PR stunt Personisinsterest (talk) 19:18, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
  • Support original blurb Of course. ArionStar (talk) 04:31, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
  • Strong support RodRabelo7 (talk) 04:34, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
  • Oppose as being too soon. Trump has said he will grant a 90-day extension to TikTok to get a buyer (but can only do that after he is in office), so it could easily be back on the 20th or 21st, making this a very short term thing. --Masem (t) 04:36, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
    • Also, all current blurbs are wrong. Bytedance didn't do any shopping for a buyer, likely expecting a friendly ruling from SCOTUS, which ruled the bill was constitutional on Friday, and thus never came. If anything, the blurb should be along the lines of "After SCOTUS ruled Protecting Americans from Foreign Adversary Controlled Applications Act was constitutional, TikTok opts to shut down options in the United States." --Masem (t) 04:39, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
      Your reasoning here is why I would support this, but not yet. ByteDance has no intentions of selling it. China will not permit them to sell the algorithms, and the app/servers are basically useless to any potential buyer other than another major social media company if they don't come with the algorithms to drive profit/content/engagement. Since all the potential social media outlets have a competitor form of short video already... unless Trump's going to buy it and incorporate it into Truth Social, it's extremely unlikely that a sale will ever occur. And TikTok knows this - they'd rather keep it offline and lobby for the law to be repealed than bring it back for 90 days and then go through this again in 90 days. -bɜ:ʳkənhɪmez | me | talk to me! 04:44, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
      Let's put it this way - TikTok's own message to users say they expect this to be temporary (see ), and that's likely why we'll see something that gives more clarity to the situation on the 20th/21st when Trump can do something (and has stated intentions to do this). Hence now is too since we know we'll have a change in the situation in the next few days, which if this brings TikTok back, would have the same effect as an extended network outage, which we shouldn't be posting.
      I also have a feeling that there are some that see this as a first amendment/free speech thing, making it seem like a big deal, but SCOTUS specifically ignored anything along those lines and focused on the national security complexities of a Chinese owner with data on 170 million Americans, justifying that that company should not be doing business in the US. — Masem (t) 04:56, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
      I'm not a american citizen but I do believe that Trump will intervene on ban of TikTok, I think it's a little bit long process to back the TikTok and move the date of ban. But, we will see on January 20th. Royiswariii Talk! 05:02, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
      I have no problem waiting until the inauguration or at least until we get more mumbling from the Trump circle about their plans. Ultimately, this may result in a complicated situation - the law states that the ban can be delayed once for up to 90 days if the following (per our article on the law): a path to a qualified divestiture has been identified, "significant" progress has been made to executing the divestiture, and legally binding agreements for facilitating the divestiture are in place. There is no path that has been identified (China will block all paths), there has not been any progress made other than some blabbing on social media, and there are no legally binding agreements in place. So technically, if Trump offers an extension.. he himself is violating the provisions of the law as passed by Congress.
      Hence why I think TikTok may not be saying "temporary" hoping for a 90 day extension (just to repeat in 3 months), but saying that because they believe they can get Congress to repeal the law. -bɜ:ʳkənhɪmez | me | talk to me! 05:05, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
      Well, for example, one company has submitted a merge request which would appear to sufficiently dilute the foreign control which would be more appealing to China . Also, fwiw, the 90-day extension in the law is a one-shot deal, they cannot keep getting another new 90 day extension (hence why the terms of granting it are based on significant progress towards divestment). Masem (t) 05:11, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
      I personally think that a merge where ByteDance retains any access or ownership does not meet the spirit of "qualified divestiture" under the law... And what I meant by "repeat in 3 months" is repeat shutting down... but I feel I'm getting into FORUM now so I'll end it with I think we agree - let's wait until at least the daytime Sunday and then depending on what news comes out it can be considered for posting. -bɜ:ʳkənhɪmez | me | talk to me! 05:29, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
  • Wait to see what news comes out throughout the day Sunday US time, in case there is a magical hail mary pass that's been in the works behind the scenes that comes out of the woodworks and gets this extended or, ultimately, rendered moot by a "qualified divestiture". -bɜ:ʳkənhɪmez | me | talk to me! 05:31, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
  • Support Alt blurb 3; it's worth mentioning the Protecting Americans from Foreign Adversary Controlled Applications Act. Nice4What (talk · contribs) – (Thanks ♥) 05:38, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
  • Comment Should this image be used instead of the current skinny image? AlphaBeta135talk 05:44, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
    @AlphaBeta135, I think yeah 'cause it's readable than the first one. Royiswariii Talk! 05:57, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
Changed. Nice4What (talk · contribs) – (Thanks ♥) 06:17, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
TikTok bans
Misplaced Pages bans
  • Support ALT3. It is better to just cite the undisputed legislative reason why the app is banned instead of singularly assigning failure or claiming there was an inability to comply. This is major news, regardless of what happens after Trump comes into office. If something happens, that can be revisited and the blurb edited, and even then the talk seems to be about a final decision in 90 or so days, which is plenty of time between this blurb and a hypothetical further blurb. -- Patar knight - /contributions 06:16, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
  • Oppose per SimpleSubCubicGraph Nineteen Ninety-Four guy (talk) 06:50, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
  • Wait - agree with Masem, let's wait and see what happens. Blythwood (talk) 07:45, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
  • Comment For those saying "it's too soon" or "it'll be overturned quickly", the important thing is that it's in the news now. We posted the South Korean martial law declaration and it had already been rescinded by the time it was on the front page. Whether it's overturned or not, this is still a notable news event. PolarManne (talk) 08:06, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
    @PolarManne, I agree but I respect their opinion. If TikTok was lift the ban by the new U.S. President Donald Trump, then, just nominate it. Royiswariii Talk! 09:03, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
    A coup of a major gov't, even if it was undone within hours, is far far more encyclopedic and newsworthy than an app that may be shuttered for only a few days. — Masem (t) 12:38, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
  • Oppose TikTok is already banned in various places – see map. And other software and sites are banned too – see map for Misplaced Pages. So, this particular ban in this particular place is not that special. Andrew🐉(talk) 08:47, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
    We're talking about the law of banning of TikTok on United States or U.S.A., The notable news now is the shutting down of TikTok on U.S.. As per PolarManne comment, the important thing is what it is in the news now and if it's notable, the TikTok ban on U.S. is notable at all 'cause it's have major impact on the whole U.S., if the upcoming U.S President Donald Trump intervene and lift the ban and give the extension for ByteDance, then we can nominate a another separate news on this. Royiswariii Talk! 09:49, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
    It doesn't seem that this will have much impact because there are lots of equivalents on other platforms. See Why is its disappearance being met with a shrug? Andrew🐉(talk) 12:09, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
    Have you been on social media recently? Personisinsterest (talk) 12:53, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
    the article Kevin Roose of The New York Times is a opinion article. I respected the opinions of the journalist about the ban of TikTok, In some people who don't use or not really use of TikTok, not have a impact. According to NBC, the user of TikTok on U.S. is 170 Million users around the U.S., so, this news was notable and have a huge impact to U.S.A users. Royiswariii Talk! 12:59, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
    Facebook has over 3 billion users and so its recent policy changes which were in the news have a bigger impact, for example. Andrew🐉(talk) 17:58, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
  • Strong support One of the most cited in the news about a social media platform ban in any country. 170 million people got banned from the app. If this isn't posted, nothing should be posted. MAL MALDIVE (talk) 10:35, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
  • Oppose - obvious Americocentrism. India has banned TikTok since June 29, 2020 and that wasn't even nominated for ITN, let alone a successful one. The ban could very well be reversed or an extension granted by the incoming Trump administration; such an event would render this nomination redundant. 2A02:C7C:2DCE:1F00:5DA5:1062:6319:56FF (talk) 11:22, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
  • Oppose per all above. _-_Alsor (talk) 12:05, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
    • Oppose Another day, another ban. The US has banned plenty of other apps and companies from doing business. Just another drop in the bucket.
    Noah, BSBA 13:30, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
    How many of those were used by 170 million Americans? Khuft (talk) 15:57, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
  • Oppose Not banned yet, voluntary action by Bytedance. And generally oppose as well: not the first thing on the internet to be banned by the US government. If Protecting Americans from Foreign Adversary Controlled Applications Act has an impact beyond this single app, may reconsider. Gotitbro (talk) 14:30, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
    I'm still on oppose, but a few corrections: They had to have divested by today (the 19th) or otherwise the apps stores would be required to remove the app. That said, Bytedance took a more nuclear option of shutting down completely in the US (in addition to app store removal), which has affected a few more apps that fall under the ByteDance umbrella (eg like Marvel Snap). Neither of those points still make this an appropriate ITN item since we know the situation could easily change in the next two days. Also, PAFACA is written to apply to other apps if they are found to be controlled by an hostile foreign country, but they would have 180-270 days from that determination to divest or pull from stores; ByteDance/TikTok were specifically called out in the bill and with the 19th deadline, but its not intended to end with those. Masem (t) 14:39, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
    @Gotitbro Lemon8 and CapCut are also banned at the same time as TikTok, though both apps are also owned by Bytedance. AlphaBeta135talk 14:58, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
    From the above replies I again gather that this does not go beyond Bytedance. Considering that act itself was introduced from the get go as the "TikTok ban bill", I am still waiting to see any impact beyond this or the company that owns it. Gotitbro (talk) 15:05, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
  • Oppose as per above Sharrdx (talk) 14:39, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
  • Wait or Strong oppose As mentioned above by other editors, it's just another app blocked by the US. When India banned Tiktok, the app lost about 200 million active users, which as mentioned by the IP, wasn't even nominated. And if Trump is going to come around and reverse the ban, it would be worthless to get it posted. If we are going to post this, I support a date after Trump's coming into office, such as 20th or 21st TNM101 (chat) 14:45, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
  • Oppose per Masem TheHiddenCity (talk) 15:50, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
  • Support The US government banning a Chinese-owned app used by 170 million American users is clearly notable, for all the reasons already mentioned, as well as for its geopolitical implications. These latter are why this ban is making more waves than when India banned the app. Would prefer AltBlurb III: Bytedance wasn't unable to comply - it didn't want to so far. Alternative would be to replace "inability to comply" by "failure to comply". Khuft (talk) 15:54, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
Changing my vote to Oppose given the latest developments. Khuft (talk) 19:03, 19 January 2025 (UTC)

I agree with adding information about the TikTok ban to the main page. This is notable and it could teach readers about it. NicePrettyFlower (talk) 17:05, 19 January 2025 (UTC)

  • Oppose The ban was just lifted (at least on the app), which kind of ruins the whole point of this nomination. If it gets shut down again maybe I'll reconsider my vote. Hungry403 (talk) 18:08, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
  • Suggest snow close Ban lifted. 85.166.4.191 (talk) 18:41, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
  • Oppose events have now overtaken this. Support close. Nfitz (talk) 18:45, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
  • Oppose The ban has been lifted, with indications that it will be made permanent on Monday. The app was only unavailable for hours, meh. RachelTensions (talk) 18:59, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
  • Wait TikTok is still banned in the two major mobile app stores (Google Play and Apple App Store) . I think the blurb could focus on that instead of "shutting down" or "suspending operations". Anyways, there's no rush to see if a deadline extension will be granted by the incoming presidential administration. Gravity 19:17, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
  • Support ALT3. This is a noteworthy and widely covered story now. It is very much “in the news” now so I don’t understand the calls to wait. The wording in ALT3 is most neutral and accurate. Highlighting ByteDance’s “failure” or “inability” is at best POV spin that places undue weight on one interpretation and I would argue it is misleading and inaccurate. Regardless, the article itself is the place for readers to find the full explanation and for editors to determine the right way to provide it.--MYCETEAE 🍄‍🟫—talk 19:47, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
  • Oppose Situation is too fluid and confusing to be a good ITN. Lets just leave this one for news networks... Tradedia 20:33, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
  • Suggest snow close By my count, there are 14 support votes, 17 oppose votes, and 4 wait votes. Consensus to post is unlikely to develop. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 23:02, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
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Storming of South Korean court

Proposed image Article: 2025 Seoul Western District Court riot (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Supporters of South Korean President Yoon Suk Yeol raid the Seoul Western District Court  (court pictured), resulting of 51 police officers injured and dozens of people detained. (Post)
News source(s): Chosun Blitz The Korea Times
Credits:

Nominator's comments: This is the first time in South Korean constitutional history that a court was attacked by people. 103.111.100.82 (talk) 07:36, 22 January 2025 (UTC)

Apart from the WP:SEAOFBLUE violation and the missing article, we've had too much coverage for that president. Might as well list it as an ongoing event 𐩣𐩫𐩧𐩨 Abo Yemen (𓃵) 07:43, 22 January 2025 (UTC)

January 18

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(Posted) RD: Claire van Kampen

Article: Claire van Kampen (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
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Nominator's comments: Woman composer at her famous husband's side for the Royal Shakespeare Company, who also ventured into writing a play that proved successful in England and on Broadway. - NYT obit, which would have more detail if someone has the time. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:00, 20 January 2025 (UTC)

Done. Moscow Mule (talk) 21:36, 20 January 2025 (UTC)
Please check, Fakescientist8000

(Posted) 2025 assassination of Sharia judges in Iran

Proposed image Article: 2025 assassination of Sharia judges in Iran (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Two Sharia judges are assassinated and two other people are injured in a mass shooting at the Supreme Court of Iran (pictured) in capital Tehran. (Post)
News source(s): The Washington Post
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Nominator's comments: Relevant event in the judicial history of the country. ArionStar (talk) 00:04, 19 January 2025 (UTC)

Support - Two top Iranian judges being killed is far more important than the tiktok ban. Another case of northerncentrism. SimpleSubCubicGraph (talk) 05:25, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
WP:OTHERSTUFF. The Kip 05:31, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
The article title on this event also uses this term 2025 assassination of Sharia judges in Iran, so if this is OR, the article title also needs to be changed. Natg 19 (talk) 19:54, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
Done (both) by Amakuru 20:26, 21 January 2025 (UTC). Natg 19 (talk) 22:35, 21 January 2025 (UTC)

2025 Suleja fuel tanker explosion

Article: 2025 Suleja fuel tanker explosion (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ A fuel tanker explosion near Suleja, Niger state, Nigeria, kills at least 98 people and injures 69 others. (Post)
News source(s): BBC News
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Nominator's comments: High number of deaths. ArionStar (talk) 18:59, 18 January 2025 (UTC)

Support - 125 victims in total is alone enough for ITN. SimpleSubCubicGraph (talk) 05:26, 19 January 2025 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Russell Marshall

Article: Russell Marshall (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Stuff.co.nz, Radio New Zealand
Credits:
Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Article covers all notable events in his life and career, well sourced. Kiwichris (talk) 08:44, 19 January 2025 (UTC)

January 17

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(Posted RD) Didier Guillaume

Proposed image Article: Didier Guillaume (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Didier Guillaume, the Minister of State of Monaco, dies, and Isabelle Berro-Amadeï is appointed as the acting Minister of State (Post)
News source(s): Le Monde Sarajevo Times Monaco Tribune
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Nominator's comments: Minister of State of Monaco, ITNR since he was the head of government TNM101 (chat) 17:36, 18 January 2025 (UTC)

Per Minister of State (Monaco), The Prime Minister of Monaco... is the head of government of Monaco and the officeholder is responsible for directing the work of the government and in charge of foreign relations... also presides... over the Council of Government, directs the executive services and commands the police and military. They're also listed in the second column at the link you linked to. The ITNR listing says the following: Changes, reelections or reappointments in the holder of the office which administers the executive of their respective state/government, in those countries which qualify under the criteria above, as listed at List of current heads of state and government except when that change was already posted as part of a general election.
Ultimately, I'm not really miffed either way, but this does bring up a quirky situation. In most other monarchies around the world, the monarch is little more than a figurehead by this point, but is usually still notable enough on their own to post on ITN with a blurb. According to Monarchy of Monaco, only Lichtenstein and the Vatican still have their monarchs playing an active role in politics. It's a weird situation - if a country still has an "active" monarchy, but that monarch delegates virtually all of their tasks to a Prime Minister or similar role, do we count both for ITNR? Personally, I don't see how we can justify not treating both as eligible, but in any case I would argue that head of government is more close to the phrasing of ITNR of "administers the executive".
And ultimately, the results of general elections are already able to be posted, so the only thing that saying Death or replacement (other than by election) of an officeholder listed on the page List of current heads of state and government. That would only add, what, maybe a dozen or two "eligible people" to the mix, not including those who are almost certainly going to qualify for ITN blurb on their own (ex: Charles III, and some other monarchs). Regardless, better discussion for another page to clarify. -bɜ:ʳkənhɪmez | me | talk to me! 18:10, 18 January 2025 (UTC)
Support - Any head of state dying is notable enough, no matter how small the country is. SimpleSubCubicGraph (talk) 18:31, 18 January 2025 (UTC)
The head of state of Monaco is the prince. Howard the Duck (talk) 20:17, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
Somewhat medium support. Without even considering who on that list of heads of state/government is eligible for ITNR, I think this office is at least borderline on satisfying "the office which administers the executive", per our article on the office. While the Prince still holds ultimate authority, our article on the monarchy states Executive power is retained by the monarch, who has veto power over all legislation proposed by the National Council. The minister of state and the Government Council are directly responsible to the Prince for the administration of the principality (citations omitted). Probably need a discussion at the appropriate venue to clarify further the criteria, which is currently able to be interpreted in... less than exact ways. I'll leave it to others to discuss quality of the affected articles, but I don't notice any major concerns at this point. -bɜ:ʳkənhɪmez | me | talk to me! 18:14, 18 January 2025 (UTC)
The more I think about it, the more I am reconsidering a full on support, though. From my reading of it, she was made the acting Minister because of the incapacitation (hospitalization) of the prior Minister who was duly appointed. There is no guarantee she is appointed the Minister by the Prince - so I could support a RD posting for the Minister now, and a potential blurb if/when the new Minister (whether her or someone else) is appointed by the Prince. Sometimes, I think the world just specifically tries to make things more complex/complicated than they truly need to be, just to see Misplaced Pages disagree. </joke> -bɜ:ʳkənhɪmez | me | talk to me! 18:18, 18 January 2025 (UTC)
Support blurb despite Monaco being a small country, the head of government dying while in office is still relevant. Scuba 20:26, 18 January 2025 (UTC)
RD Only - Good candidate for RD, but Monaco has a population of less than 40,000. 1779Days (talk) 20:41, 18 January 2025 (UTC)
What does Monaco's population have to do with anything? It's still a country nevertheless. Aydoh8 13:31, 19 January 2025 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Denis Law

Article: Denis Law (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC Sport, The Guardian
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Nominator's comments: Record goalscorer for Manchester United and the Scotland national team, Ballon d'Or winner (1964). Jmorrison230582 (talk) 20:24, 17 January 2025 (UTC)

Law wasn't in the United team for the 1968 European Cup final, because he was injured. Jmorrison230582 (talk) 09:19, 21 January 2025 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Joan Plowright

Article: Joan Plowright (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NBC News
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 wizzito | say hello! 14:36, 17 January 2025 (UTC)

January 16

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(Posted) RD: Hans Dobida

Article: Hans Dobida (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s):
Credits:
Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Copyedit and updates complete. I feel it is ready for the main page. Flibirigit (talk) 15:22, 19 January 2025 (UTC)

(Removed) California fires to ongoing

Article: January 2025 Southern California wildfires (talk · history · tag)
Ongoing item nomination (Post)
Credits:

Nominator's comments: I've added fires to ongoing as they were pushed off by David Lynch. Discuss whether that's appropriate below. Stephen 22:52, 16 January 2025 (UTC)

Comment Could the wildfires be moved to Ongoing? --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 00:07, 17 January 2025 (UTC)
@MtPenguinMonster they already have. The Kip 00:15, 17 January 2025 (UTC)
  • Oppose the fires may be ongoing but the rate of destruction has significantly flattened out as well as deaths. There may be potential fir a damaging flare up but we're on the backend of that story, which doesn't make it great for the ongoing line, particularly given what else is in ongoing. Masem (t) 00:33, 17 January 2025 (UTC)
Pull from ongoing No fire weather days in the forecast for southern California, and everything that would be burned has been. Containment takes a while, but fires burn through their fuel, and most of these fire's fuel is gone, and you can expect very little updates from here except for records to be broken and various celebrities revealing their homes have / have not been destroyed by the fires. Departure– (talk) 00:58, 17 January 2025 (UTC)

(Closed) New Glenn launch

STALE (non-admin closure) Oldest current ITN blurb is newer than this one. The Kip 21:07, 22 January 2025 (UTC)

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Article: New Glenn (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Blue Origin's New Glenn rocket successfully reaches orbit on its inaugural launch. (Post)
News source(s): CNN
Credits:
Article updatedNominator's comments: Surprised it hasn't been nominated since I think inaugural launches of notable rockets are ITNR. Notable that it is the first methalox rocket to reach orbit (SpaceX's bigger Starship has only technically done sub-orbital flights), and its payload capacity is only passed by the few Super heavy-lift launch vehicles. 109.166.233.124 (talk) 19:14, 16 January 2025 (UTC)
@109.166.233.124 Please create a correctly formatted nomination, and if possible an account. SpectralIon 19:17, 16 January 2025 (UTC)
@SpectralIon: I took care of fixing the nom. The Kip 19:20, 16 January 2025 (UTC)
@The Kip Alright, then I would say Support on Notability since this is the first launch of an advanced rocket, and it reached orbit as well. --SpectralIon 19:23, 16 January 2025 (UTC)
  • Support in principle, weak support on quality. This rocket actually worked and its (test) payload was successfully deployed into orbit. The booster was lost on descent, but that's a failure of reusability not of the launch. However, there's only 80 words of update in the article. Don't we normally have a separate article for notable launches, rather than just a section in the article about the rocket? Technically this does meet our minimum requirements, but I would prefer to see more details in the article and fixed cn tags. Modest Genius 19:47, 16 January 2025 (UTC)
    Nitpick, but there was no payload deployment. The payload stayed attached to the upper stage. Ergzay (talk) 02:03, 17 January 2025 (UTC)
    Exactly as planned. Modest Genius 14:42, 20 January 2025 (UTC)
  • Comment and support on notability. There isn't even a separate article on the flight/ test itself (I know I know, I could have created it myself, but I'm feeling kinda discouraged from everything this week). The notability is there though. --Ouro (blah blah) 19:52, 16 January 2025 (UTC)
  • Support per above. Quality is adequate The Kip 19:59, 16 January 2025 (UTC)
Comment should be noted that the first stage failed to land on its drone ship and was lost during descent, but other than that soft support as it is an inaugural launch, but the article needs some work. Scuba 19:58, 16 January 2025 (UTC)
  • Support - a huge advance given how large this rocket is, and particularly the payload volume. Of particular note with this (first) launch is that it is orbital - something that Starship is yet to achieve. Only SLS can currently put a larger payload into orbit.(Falcon Heavy is relatively similar on mass, but is severely constrained on payload volume in comparison. Nfitz (talk) 21:41, 16 January 2025 (UTC)
  • Support - Major development in spaceflight. Competitor of Starship & SLS. Successful orbital insertion, RIP stage 1. Wildfireupdateman :) (talk) 22:48, 16 January 2025 (UTC)
  • Oppose - Not a major development in spaceflight. Not a competitor to Starship or SLS either in size or capability. The rocket is a heavy launcher not a super heavy launcher. There are already partially reusable rockets. This is another partially reusable rocket, but it didn't succeed its landing so its not partially reusable yet. Also there's no page dedicated to the launch. Also the nominator's comments are factually incorrect. ULA's Vulcan rocket already reached orbit and that is also a methalox rocket. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ergzay (talk • contribs)
It's a huge development, User:Ergzay. How many Starship ITNs have been posted, and the damn thing hasn't even achieved orbit yet. And why claim it's not a competitor to Starship and SLS? The turnaround on an SLS launch, even years from now, is measured in years. New Glenn is measured in weeks, with several more launches scheduled this year - the next one to the moon. And with the massive fairing size, and the lack of obstructions in the fairing compared to Starship, this can launch stuff that Starship can't. Not to mention Starship hasn't actually achieved orbit yet - so yes, this is ahead of Starship. Nfitz (talk) 17:38, 17 January 2025 (UTC)
None of those Starship ITN requests have been actually posted because of people lacking technical understanding of the subject. First of all Starship hasn't been trying to achieve orbit in any of those tests yet. They've been trying to achieve both stage reusability. It's also the largest rocket in history, by a large margin.
Perhaps I'm overreaching with claiming its not a competitor to SLS, but its clear its not in the same rocket class as SLS and definitely not a competitor to Starship which is in a much higher class of vehicle and also aiming for full reusability. New Glenn's turnaround time is not measured in weeks, not yet. I'm not sure how it is "ahead" of Starship when it's not even aiming for the same capability. It's purpose is different. Ergzay (talk) 09:03, 18 January 2025 (UTC)
  • Oppose. Failing to see what's particularly revolutionary about this launch. Slightly bigger, slightly more reusable, slightly different fuel. Ho hum, we don't need to post every incremental change in rocket technology. DarkSide830 (talk) 02:57, 17 January 2025 (UTC)
  • Support on notability. We posted milestones for both Starship and Falcon 9, and we do so for new public-funded (i.e. government made) rockets. There is absolutely no reason to do the same here. Spaceflight is not yet so "mainstream" that new entrants are not "in the news" when they meet milestones such as first orbital launch. I defer to others on article quality and whether it's improved enough to post at this time. -bɜ:ʳkənhɪmez | me | talk to me! 02:59, 17 January 2025 (UTC)
  • Oppose Interesting news... However, i feel that it falls short of being ITN. Tradedia 03:26, 17 January 2025 (UTC)
  • Support Per Nfitz, nom and The Kip. Jusdafax (talk) 05:46, 17 January 2025 (UTC)
  • Oppose There seems to have been a lot of space news lately including a spacewalk, a double lunar launch, a starship launch, a multiple satellite launch by China and so on. This event doesn't seem to stand out. Andrew🐉(talk) 09:26, 17 January 2025 (UTC)
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(Posted blurb) RD/Blurb: David Lynch

Proposed image Article: David Lynch (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination
Blurb:  American filmmaker David Lynch dies at the age of 78. (Post)
News source(s): Variety
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 Jon698 (talk) 18:32, 16 January 2025 (UTC)

Post-posting strong oppose Per DMartin. Also I'd bet a very strong majority people on Misplaced Pages never even heard this man's name and even more don't know who he is. Keep this to the recent deaths section. 2607:FEA8:9DE:67E0:D98D:390A:3EE1:CE70 (talk) 02:02, 19 January 2025 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Bob Uecker

Article: Bob Uecker (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s):
Credits:
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 – Muboshgu (talk) 15:57, 16 January 2025 (UTC)

  • Weak support: Article is mostly fine but is missing a few inline citations. MT(710) 16:08, 16 January 2025 (UTC)
    Still working to expand and source between meetings today. – Muboshgu (talk) 17:07, 16 January 2025 (UTC)
  • Support Article is well cited and long enough for ITNRD. Cheers, atque supra! Fakescientist8000 17:29, 16 January 2025 (UTC)
  • Support - with Muboshgu's work, the article looks solid. There's an intriguing dark horse argument for a blurb here, as Uecker reached the pinnacle of his profession (radio baseball broadcasting, although he broke outside that on numerous occasions). That said, I'm not confident it's enough. Ed  23:16, 16 January 2025 (UTC)
    • Limit g the profession to "baseball radio broadcasting" is far too narrow, I would expect that it would be at least sportscasters or even journalism, and he definitely is not a major figure. It's very easy to think a local beloved personality (here for Milkwalkie as well as in baseball) may be a great figure but we should think at the scope of worldwide aspects of said field. — Masem (t) 00:37, 17 January 2025 (UTC)
  • Posted—Bagumba (talk) 05:56, 17 January 2025 (UTC)

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