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{{Article|Afghanistan}}. {{3RRV|Carl.bunderson }}: Time reported: 21:48, 28 December 2007 (UTC) | |||
'''Diffs of the user's reverts:''' | |||
*Previous version reverted to: <!-- This is MANDATORY. --> | |||
# {{diff2|1270885082|18:31, 21 January 2025 (UTC)}} "Undid revision ] by ] (]) Reverting for user specifying basically ] as their reasoning" | |||
# {{diff2|1270881666|18:12, 21 January 2025 (UTC)}} "Undid revision ] by ] (]) I believe you have reverted this edit in error so I am adding it back. Rando tweet from a random organization? The Anti-defamation league is cited elsewhere in this article and this tweet was in the article previously. I simply copy pasted it from a previous edit. ADL is a trusted source in the perennial source list ]" | |||
# {{diff2|1270878417|17:52, 21 January 2025 (UTC)}} "Undid revision ] by ] (]) Removing misinformation" | |||
# {{diff2|1270875037|17:30, 21 January 2025 (UTC)}} "Undid revision ] by ] (]) Discussion ongoing and it's incorrect as well" | |||
# {{diff2|1270724963|23:07, 20 January 2025 (UTC)}} "Revert, this is not the purpose of the short description" | |||
# {{diff2|1270718517|22:28, 20 January 2025 (UTC)}} "Undid revision ] by ] (]) Elon is not a multinational" | |||
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and/or the actual words (in bold) that are being reverted or reverted to.--> | |||
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# {{diff2|1270885380|18:32, 21 January 2025 (UTC)}} "stop edit warring now or it all goes to ANI" {{small|(edit: added diff, fix date)}} | |||
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<u>'''Comments:'''</u> | |||
*This user is not new, he is very experienced and already aware of the 3RR violation. However, a warning was given after his 4th revert but he continued up to 7 reverts. | |||
*Diff of 3RR warning: | |||
Breach of ] {{small|(added comment after 18:49, 21 January 2025 (UTC) comment added below)}}. ] (]) 18:52, 21 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
This user has been asked to stop edit warring and to stop removing sourced content. But he has insisted on removing sourced content and then violated the 3RR rule and continued edit warring even after he was warned. | |||
] seems to be making a mistake here as several of those edits were of different content. You can't just list every single revert and call it edit warring. And the brief edit warring that did happen stopped as I realized I was reverting the wrong thing. https://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Talk:Elon_Musk&diff=prev&oldid=1270879523 ] (]) 18:49, 21 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
note: Previously this complaint was declined because according to that admin others violated it too. But, this user ] violated it '''first'''. Please reconsider, because he is a veteran user and was well aware of it and instead broke the rule and set the bad example to the other editors. 00:55, 29 December 2007 (UTC) | |||
:Read the bright read box at ] (. ] (]) 18:54, 21 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
====Malformed 3-RRR==== | |||
::@] So let me get this straight, you're saying making unrelated reverts of unrelated content in a 24 hour period hits 3RR? You sure you got that right? As people violate that one all the darn time. Never bothered to report people as it's completely innocent. If you're heavily involved on a page and reverting stuff you'll hit that quick and fast for a rapidly updated page. ] (]) 18:59, 21 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
Sorry but the other submissions do not give a clue. If the fact that after being blocked for 28 days for 3-RRR on that same article, the user makes 19 edits on the same article, removing all the work in the meantime, plus refuses to discuss anything on the article talk page, removing all my edits, is not enough for a 3_RRR, then I will not try it again. Just for techies and not writers, I guess. ] 23:40, 28 December 2007 (UTC) | |||
:::]: {{tq|An editor must not perform more than three reverts on a single page—whether involving the same or different material—within a 24-hour period.}} – ] (]) 19:01, 21 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
::::Well TIL on that one as that's the first time I've ever heard of that use case and I've been on this site for 15+ years. 3RR in every use I've ever seen it is about back and forth reverting of the _same content_ within a short period of time. It's a severe rule break where people are clearly edit warring the same content back and forth. Reverting unrelated content on the page (edits that are often clearly vandalism-like edits, like the first two listed) would never violate 3RR in my experience. ] (]) 19:04, 21 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
::::I'd honestly love an explanation on that rule as I can't figure out why it makes sense. You don't want to limit people's ability to fix vandalism on a fast moving page. ] (]) 19:08, 21 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
:::::]: {{tq|There are certain exemptions to the three-revert rule, such as reverting vandalism or clear violations of the policy on biographies of living persons}}. – ] (]) 19:11, 21 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
::::::No I mean even in the wider sense. Like why does it make sense to limit the ability to revert unrelated content on the same page? I can't figure out why that would make sense. The 3RR page doesn't explain that. ] (]) 19:13, 21 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
:::::Vandalism is an exemption. But vandalism has a narrow definition. ] (]) 19:12, 21 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
:Should be added, that I was in the process of reverting my own edit after the above linked comment, but someone reverted it before I could get to it. | |||
:The 18:12 edit was me undoing what was presumed to be a mistaken change by EF5 that I explained in my edit comment as they seemed to think that "some random twitter account" was being used as a source. That revert was not reverted. The 18:31 edit was a revert of an "i don't like it" edit that someone else made, it was not a revert of a revert of my own change. ] (]) 19:17, 21 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
::Frankly, I thought your characterization of IDONTLIKEIT in your edit summary was improper and was thinking of reverting you, but didn't want to be a part of what I thought was your edit war. ] (]) 19:26, 21 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
:::We can agree to disagree, but the reasons I called it IDONTLIKEIT was because the person who was reverted described the ADL, who is on the perennial sources list as being reliable, in their first edit description with the wording followed by after another editor restored the content with a different source, which is the edit I reverted. ] (]) 19:34, 21 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
::::Looks like you have seven reverts in two days in a CTOP. I've even seen admins ask someone else to revert instead of violating a revert rule themselves. ] (]) 19:48, 21 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
:::::What is a CTOP? ] (]) 19:58, 21 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
::::::A CTOP is a ]. ] (]) 19:59, 21 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
:In Ergzay's defense some of these reverts do seem to be covered under BLP, but many do not and I am concerned about the battleground attitude that Ergzay is taking. The edit summaries "Discussion ongoing and it's incorrect as well" and "Removing misinformation" also seems to be getting into righting great wrongs territory as the coverage happened whether you agree with the analysis or not. ] (]) 20:05, 21 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
::@] Thanks but at this point things are too heated and people are so confident Musk is some kind of Nazi now nothing I say is gonna change anything. It's not worth the mental exhaustion I spent over the last few hours. So I probably won't be touching the page or talk page again for several days at least unless I get pinged. The truth will come out eventually, just like the last several tempest in a teapots on the Elon Musk page that eventually got corrected. Misplaced Pages is gonna be Misplaced Pages. ] (]) 21:48, 21 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
:::{{tq|Misplaced Pages is gonna be Misplaced Pages.}} If your argument is that Misplaced Pages is wrong about things and you have to come in periodically to fix it; that’s not an argument that works very well on an administrative noticeboard -- and certainly not a good argument here at AN3. ] (]) 22:27, 21 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
:::I wouldn't worry all too much about it, 1rr for the article will slow things down and is a positive outcome all things considered. ] (]) 03:26, 22 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
:::This is an incorrect characterization of the discussion. The people you were edit warring with said, correctly, that he was accused of having made what looks like the Nazi salute. As you know from the video and the sources provided, this is objectively correct. You just don't like the fact that reliable sources said this about him. Nobody is trying to put "Elon Musk is a Nazi" in the article. ] (]) 23:34, 22 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
: Based on the comment in response to the notification for this discussion, {{tq|"I've been brought to ANI many times in the past. Never been punished for it"}}, I was quite surprised to see that the editor didn't acquire an understanding of 3RR when in 2020. That's sometime ago granted, but additionally a lack of awareness of CTOP, when there is an edit notice at Musk's page regarding BLP policy, is highly suggestive of ]. This in addition to the 3RR warning that was ignored, followed by continuing to revert other editors, and eventually arguing that it must be because I am wrong. If there is an essay based on "Everyone else must be wrong because I'm always right" I'd very much like to read it. As for this report, I primarily wanted to nip the edit war in the bud which appears to have worked for now, given the talk page warning failed to achieve anything. I otherwise remain concerned about the general ] based indicators; disruptive editing, battleground attitude, and lack of willingness to collaborate with other editors in a civil manner. ] (]) 23:55, 21 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
:: I have decided, under CTOPS and mindful of the current situation regarding the article subject, a situation that I think we can agree is unlikely to change anytime soon and is just going to attract more contentious editing, that the best resolution here, given that ''some'' of Ergzay's reverts are concededly justified on BLP grounds and that he genuinely seems ignorant of the provision in 3RR that covers ''all'' edits (a provision that, since he still wants to know, is in response to certain battleground editors in the past who would keep reverting different material within the same 24 hours so as to comply with the ''letter'', but not the ''spirit'', of 3RR (In other words, another case of ])) is to put the article under 1RR. It will be duly logged at CTOPS. ] (]) 00:02, 22 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
:::We are likely to see Ergzay at ANI at some point. But as I was thinking of asking for 1RR early today; I'm fine with that decision. ] (]) 00:25, 22 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
:::Good decision. I otherwise think a final warning for edit warring is appropriate, given the 3RR violation even excluding BLPREMOVE reverts (first 4 diffs to be specific). There's nothing else to drag out here given Ergzay intends to take a step back from the Musk article, and per above, there is always the ANI route for any future incidents. ] (]) 00:40, 22 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
::@] My statement that you quoted there is because I'm a divisive person and people often don't like how I act on Misplaced Pages and the edits I make. People have dragged me to this place several times in the past over the years and I've always found it reasonably fair against people who are emotionally involved against dragging me down. That is why I said what I did. And as to the previous warning that you claim was me "not getting it", that was 3 reverts of the same material, and with a name 3RR the association is automatic. Edit: And I'll additionally add, I'm most certainly interested in building an accurate encyclopedia. Misplaced Pages at some point in the past lost its mind and has determined that truth seeking is not the ultimate goal, but simply regurgitating sources. I'm still very happy to use sources that exist and they should be used whenever possible, but in this modern day and age of heavily politicized and biased media, editors more than ever need to have wide open eyes and use rational thinking. ] (]) 09:16, 22 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
:::"''Misplaced Pages at some point in the past lost its mind and has determined that truth seeking is not the ultimate goal, but simply regurgitating sources''" See ]. ] (]) 19:51, 22 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
::::And ], while you're at it. ] (]) 19:52, 22 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
:::::"Use wide open eyes and use rational thinking (as defined by me)" seems to implicate ], as well. ] (]) 23:40, 22 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
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== ] reported by ] (Result: Reported user had self-reverted before the report was made) == | ||
*] violation on | |||
{{Article|Nissan GT-R}}. {{3RRV|75.7.235.53}}: Time reported: 04:25, 29 December 2007 (UTC) | |||
'''Page:''' {{pagelinks|Droop quota}} | |||
*Previous version reverted to: <!-- This is MANDATORY. --> | |||
'''User being reported:''' {{userlinks|68.150.205.46}} | |||
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and/or the actual words (in bold) that are being reverted or reverted to.--> | |||
'''Previous version reverted to:''' | |||
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'''Diffs of the user's reverts:''' | |||
*1st revert: | |||
# {{diff|oldid=1271015536|diff=1271021273|label=Consecutive edits made from 08:11, 22 January 2025 (UTC) to 08:14, 22 January 2025 (UTC)}} | |||
*2nd revert: (revision warning in edit summary by another contributor) | |||
## {{diff2|1271020237|08:11, 22 January 2025 (UTC)}} "Undid revision ] by ] (])" | |||
*3rd revert: (notice of 3RR in edit summary)) | |||
## {{diff2|1271021017|08:13, 22 January 2025 (UTC)}} "Undid revision ] by ] (])" | |||
*4th revert: | |||
## {{diff2|1271021273|08:14, 22 January 2025 (UTC)}} "Undid revision ] by ] (])" | |||
# {{diff2|1271014641|07:32, 22 January 2025 (UTC)}} "there is no consensus in talk. there is no government election today that uses your exact Droop. it is not what Droop says his quota was" | |||
'''Diffs of edit warring / 3RR warning:''' | |||
*Necessary for newer users: A diff of 3RR warning issued before the last reported reversion. | |||
Your report will be ignored if it is not placed properly. | |||
*Diff of 3RR warning: on user's page | |||
The debate continues on the classification of this new vehicle. Is it a "supercar" or not . ] (]) 04:25, 29 December 2007 (UTC) | |||
'''Diffs of attempt to resolve dispute on article talk page:''' | |||
===] reported by ] - resubmission - (Result:no action, malformed) === | |||
# {{diff2|1270714484|22:01, 20 January 2025 (UTC)}} "/* Inclusion of plus-one in Droop quota */ reply to Quantling" | |||
*Misplaced Pages:Three-revert rule|Three-revert rule]] violation on | |||
# {{diff2|1270714531|22:01, 20 January 2025 (UTC)}} "/* Inclusion of plus-one in Droop quota */ edit reply to Quantling" | |||
{{Article|Psychopathy }}. {{3RRV|Zeraeph}}: Time reported: 20:21, 28 December 2007 (UTC) | |||
# {{diff2|1270714949|22:04, 20 January 2025 (UTC)}} "/* Inclusion of plus-one in Droop quota */ addition" | |||
'''PLEASE RECONSIDER THIS REQUEST - i HAVE TRIED TO FOLLOW ALL RULES EVEN THE ONES YOU DO NOT TELL PEOPLE ABOUT''' | |||
# {{diff2|1270715070|22:05, 20 January 2025 (UTC)}} "/* Inclusion of plus-one in Droop quota */ edit addition" | |||
*Previous version reverted to: (I am not sure what version this means) <!-- This is MANDATORY. --> | |||
<u>'''Comments:'''</u> | |||
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User has been edit-warring for the past 9 months to try and reinsert incorrect information into the article, despite repeatedly having had this mistake corrected, and a consensus of 5 separate editors against these changes. Request page ban from ], ], ], and ]. ] (]) 22:18, 22 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
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:{{u|Closed Limelike Curves}}, the user appears to have self-reverted less than an hour after their last edit warring continuation, and 14 hours before your report. ] (]) 00:41, 23 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
(I tried to understand DIFFTIME but I do not understand what I am supposed to be doing. Please help -- is time started: 17:27, 28 December 2007 - time of Zeraeph's first edit on ] today? | |||
::Thanks, I missed that (I didn't notice the last edit was a self-revert). ] (]) 00:51, 23 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
:68.150.205.46, thanks for self-reverting. Can you agree not to re-add the same material until a real consensus is found? An ] could help. ] (]) 00:42, 23 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
== ] reported by ] (Result: Blocked indefinitely) == | |||
I submitted a 3-RRR complaint today: | |||
---] reported by ] (Result: no action, malformed report)--- | |||
*] violation on | |||
{{Article|Psychopathy }}. {{3RRV|Zeraeph}}: Time reported: 20:21, 28 December 2007 (UTC) | |||
'''Page:''' {{pagelinks|Tiwana family of Shahpur}} <br /> | |||
*Previous version reverted to: (I am not sure what version this means) <!-- This is MANDATORY. --> | |||
'''User being reported:''' {{userlinks|Farshwal}} | |||
'''Previous version reverted to:''' ] | |||
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and/or the actual words (in bold) that are being reverted or reverted to.--> | |||
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(I tried to understand DIFFTIME but I do not understand what I am supposed to be doing. Please help -- is time started: 17:27, 28 December 2007 - time of Zeraeph's first edit on ] today? | |||
*first revert 17.20 December 28 | |||
*second revert -Revision as of 17:41, 28 December 2007 | |||
*third revert - Revision as of 17:43, 28 December 2007 | |||
*fourth revert -Revision as of 17:46, 28 December 2007 | |||
*fifth revert - Revision as of 17:47, 28 December 2007 | |||
*sixth revert -Revision as of 17:55, 28 December 2007 | |||
*seventh revert - Revision as of 17:56, 28 December 2007 | |||
*eighth refert - Revision as of 17:58, 28 December 2007 | |||
*ninth revert - Revision as of 17:59, 28 December 2007 | |||
*10th revert - Revision as of 18:00, 28 December 2007 | |||
*11th revert - Revision as of 18:07, 28 December 2007 | |||
*12th revert - Revision as of 18:12, 28 December 2007 | |||
*13th revert - Revision as of 18:14, 28 December 2007 | |||
*14 revert - Revision as of 18:16, 28 December 2007 | |||
*15 revert -Revision as of 18:17, 28 December 2007 | |||
*16th revert - Revision as of 18:22, 28 December 2007 | |||
*17th revert - Revision as of 19:17, 28 December 2007 | |||
*16th revert - Revision as of 19:20, 28 December 2007 | |||
*17th revert - Revision as of 19:22, 28 December 2007 | |||
*18th revert - Revision as of 19:26, 28 December 2007 | |||
*19th revert - Current revision (19:43, 28 December 2007) | |||
'''Diff of edit warring / 3RR warning:''' ] | |||
'''Diff of attempt to resolve dispute on article talk page:''' ] (from User:Farshwal themselves) | |||
*Necessary for newer users: A diff of 3RR warning issued before the last reported reversion. | |||
Your report will be ignored if it is not placed properly. | |||
*Diff of 3RR warning: | |||
'''Diff of ANEW notice posted to user's talk page:''' ] | |||
] received a 28 day block FFOR 3-RRR ON THE SAME ARTICLE which she served. WITH IN MINUTES SHE WAS BACK DOING THE SAME THING. SHE IS KNOWLEDGEABLE ABOUT THE 3-RRR. THIS IS A TRAVESTY OF JUSTICE IF YOU DO NOT DO SOMETHING. | |||
<u>'''Comments:'''</u> <br /> | |||
]'s 28 day block was for this same behavior on the same article ], at least in part. | |||
Her answer to my article page post was in the same vein as before -- she is right, I am wrong and she does not have to discuss or compromise or come to consensus on changes. She is concentrating on my edits without consulting or trying to compromise or explain to me. She has moved and rearranged reference citations I put there, as well as misrepresented their meanings. Although she has rearranged and removed my citations and and changed or removed my wording, she will not discuss anything related to the content of the articlefwith me, other to state in edit summary that I was wrong, or other disparaging remarks about my edits in the edit summaries. I was warned the last time this happened by ] not to contact Zeraeph on her talk page. ] 20:21, 28 December 2007 (UTC) | |||
*'''PLEASE RECONSIDER MY REQUEST''' | |||
<s>{{AN3|d}} Malformed request. No 3RR violation immediately apparent from history. Please see the other reports on this page as examples on how to provide a correct report. ] (]) 22:27, 28 December 2007 (UTC)</s> | |||
Hi, I'm just an uninvolved third-party editor who came across this 3RR violation involving the change of "Parmar Rajputs" to "Jats" in the article lead sentence. The editor themself has made a post on the talk page as seen in the diff above, but they continued to edit-war without getting a consensus first at that talk page discussion. Also worth noting the editor had received a in Sep 2024 for similar disruption, such as ], where they also made an edit changing something to "Jats". — ] ] 09:02, 23 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
I looked carefully at the other reports and I cannot figure out what you want! ] 23:57, 28 December 2007 (UTC) | |||
* '''Comment''': In ] , they are using a slur against the ] caste by calling it "R***put" meaning "Son of Wh***", which is also the caste they are deliberately removing from the article. That in itself merits an indef.] (]) 12:03, 23 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
*Blocked indefinitely.--] (]) 14:16, 23 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
== ] reported by ] (Result: OP indeffed) == | |||
I'm trying again. Please consider my request. Pretty hopeless, hun?[REDACTED] is not for the likes of me. Regards, ] 04:52, 29 December 2007 (UTC) | |||
'''Page:''' {{pagelinks|Bhanot}} <br /> | |||
'''User being reported:''' {{userlinks|DoctorWhoFan91}} | |||
{{Comment}}Now what should I say, this reckless person has crossed all limits for three revert rule and spamming on user talk with thrustful comments , and he keeps bothering me repeatedly with the same fabricated nonsense. He keeps giving those mocking statements against me for commissioning an report and is persistently stuck on the same matter over and over again. I want him to be punished for his vile actions, and for the offensive things he has said in his statements, which had a bad influence on people. He is going to everyone’s talk pages | |||
'''Previous version reverted to:''' | |||
*Necessary for newer users: A diff of 3RR warning issued before the last reported reversion. | |||
Your report will be ignored if it is not placed properly. | |||
*Diff of 3RR warning: | |||
'''Diffs of the user's reverts:''' | |||
] received a 28 day block which she served and it was lifted today, a few hours ago. | |||
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]'s 28 day block was for this same behavior on the same article ], at least in part. | |||
Her answer to my article page post was in the same vein as before -- she is right, I am wrong and she does not have to discuss or compromise or come to consensus on changes. She is concentrating on my edits without consulting or trying to compromise or explain to me. She has moved and rearranged reference citations I put there, as well as misrepresented their meanings. Although she has rearranged and removed my citations and and changed or removed my wording, she will not discuss anything related to the content of the articlefwith me, other to state in edit summary that I was wrong, or other disparaging remarks about my edits in the edit summaries. I was warned the last time this happened by ] not to contact Zeraeph on her talk page. ] 20:21, 28 December 2007 (UTC) | |||
<s>{{AN3|d}} Malformed request. No 3RR violation immediately apparent from history. Please see the other reports on this page as examples on how to provide a correct report. ] (]) 22:27, 28 December 2007 (UTC)</s> MINUTES BEFORE SHE HAD COMPLETED A 28 DAU BLOCK FOR THE SAME EXACT BEHAVIOR ON THE SAME ARTICLE. | |||
*Necessary for newer users: A diff of 3RR warning issued before the last reported reversion. | |||
Your report will be ignored if it is not placed properly. | |||
*Diff of 3RR warning: | |||
If I had made 19 contested edits without discussion or consensus in the space of two hours, having just come off a 28 day block for doing the same thing, I know I would have received a block. In this case, nothing happened. One person explained that if you do 19 in a row, then that is considered only one edit. Is this true. I would have interrupted the editting with one of my own but I did not want to get the 3-RRR. I guess I should take the rules more casually. ] 05:43, 29 December 2007 (UTC) | |||
**Matisse, this report is still malformed. For one thing, consecutive edits are nearly always treated as one edit for the purpose of counting reverts. Secondly, I can't really see what's so hard about this. I'm no techie, either (look at the history of this page and you'll see it took me three edits to put the sample report back on bottom), and I've never had trouble with it. The point of these reports is to make it abundantly clear to admins how the user has violated 3RR. As this report fails to do that, I have no reason to act on it. Sorry. ] ] 16:35, 29 December 2007 (UTC) | |||
'''Diff of edit warring / 3RR warning:''' | |||
*Mattisse, I've looked at the history of the article pretty thoroughly and there simply doesn't seem to be a 3RR violation here. That's probably the reason you're having such a hard time filling out a report properly. Each of you have made a number of changes to the article, but they seem to be attempts at constructive editing rather than simple reverts. The only thing I see is a very minor content-related edit war in which ''both'' of you are equally at fault. If you have a disagreement about the content, this isn't the place to discuss it or seek support for your opinion. Take it to a talk page—either the article's talk page or one of your user talk pages—and discuss the problem with Zeraeph. ] <sup>]</sup> 17:22, 29 December 2007 (UTC) | |||
'''Diff of attempt to resolve dispute on article talk page:''' | |||
* The user Z is now enganged in discussion with Admins, and a block might interrupt the conversation so a block might be interrupted. Maybe this event should be set aside, and if the editor does another 3RR then report the new event. People have offered on User talk to help with a report, so you could just wait for a new violation to report. Admins in present discussion on Admin board would find it interesting for a violation to happen during the discussion. -- ] (]) 17:51, 29 December 2007 (UTC) | |||
'''Diff of ANEW notice posted to user's talk page:''' | |||
=== ] (Result:malformed)=== | |||
User created page ]. Tagged as speedy for non-notability by another editor. This user removed the tag, instead of using the hangon tag. I reverted it, but he continues to remove it instead of following proper procedure. Warned on his talk page: he ignores the warning. See history . ] <sup>]</sup> 14:30, 29 December 2007 (UTC) | |||
<u>'''Comments:'''</u> <br /> | |||
Wrong.<br> | |||
I removed the tag only once as I felt it was added way too fast and completely without just cause, I was planning to make the article far bigger today but it seems that wouldn't be a wise move. With the first re-addition of the tag I realised it wasn't just someone being overly busy and tagging every single new page as for deletion so I added hangon. The first thing to appear on my talk page after the speedy deletion notice was the information that this had been added to the notice board, no warnings or anything of the sort.--] (]) 14:36, 29 December 2007 (UTC) | |||
:I suspect a ] is coming here, but for now I'll say to OP, don't make personal attacks . Bafflingly, you linked to the NPA policy in the same edit summary. — ''']''' <sup>''(])''</sup> 11:11, 23 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
It seems now that part of my further edits have meant the original maker of the tag has also decided it makes the band notable. I've grown a bit sick of[REDACTED] for the day though to add much more yet.--] (]) 14:41, 29 December 2007 (UTC) | |||
:Please format this report properly per the example below, including diffs of the reverts. ] ] 20:11, 29 December 2007 (UTC) | |||
:The OP account has been reported to AIV by ] with the suspicion that it's yet another sockpuppet account of User:Truthfindervert: ]. — ] ] 11:14, 23 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
===] reported by ] (Result: 84 hours)=== | |||
:Yeah, kinda funny isn't it, a sockpuppet accusing others of edit-warring after move-vandalising. OP has been reported to AIV and SPI btw, so this will just led to them being blocked faster lol. ] (]) 11:15, 23 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
*] violation on | |||
::Could somone move the page back after OP is blocked, they have done it again. ] (]) 11:18, 23 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
{{Article|House demolition in the Israeli-Palestinian conflict}}. {{3RRV|Jaakobou}}: 19:41, 29 December 2007 (UTC) | |||
:::Yeah let's give the bots that fix the double-redirects a break and stop move-warring the page until the account is blocked. It's only gonna clutter the page histories and logs more and more, and the title the person is trying to move the page to isn't an unconstructive title anyway. — ] ] 11:21, 23 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
::::Apologies, I got carried away trying to stop the bot. ] (]) 11:24, 23 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
:::::Sock, not bot, sorry. ] (]) 11:25, 23 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
:I will now direct any visiting mods to Tested account , so yes, this should be a ]. I do not know this user but there are multiple accusations of this being an LTA sock. — ''']''' <sup>''(])''</sup> 11:21, 23 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
::The account is a suspected sock of ], see ]. Pinging {{Ping|Ivanvector|zzuuzz|Izno}}. - ] (]) 11:25, 23 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
:::I had said this before as well—you are the same people @]@] who want to manipulate the article in your own way and keep editing it to portray it in the same context of that past misunderstanding and conflict. So, I have nothing for you. You just keep putting in your efforts, but the consequences of your violative actions will come to you eventually. I have no answers for that, but when you are found guilty, you will have to deal with them on your own. | |||
:::This is my last reply, requesting administrative intervention as the accuser under the three-revert rule. ] (]) 11:31, 23 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
* I have '''indefinitely blocked''' ]; almost certainly a sock but even if they aren't, they're being wildly disruptive and attacking others. ] 11:36, 23 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
:The page has also been move-protected for 2 days following a ] I made at RPP/I. — ] ] 11:37, 23 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
== ] reported by ] (Result: Warned ) == | |||
The user has made two sets of reverts. In set 1 the user made one revert, in set 2 the user made 3 reverts, to a total of 4 reverts in 24 hours. WP:3rr says "''An editor does not have to perform the same revert on a page more than three times to breach this rule; all reverts made by an editor on a particular page within a 24 hour period are counted.''" | |||
'''Page:''' {{pagelinks|United States Board on Geographic Names}} <br /> | |||
Set 1. | |||
'''User being reported:''' {{userlinks|Wamalotpark}} | |||
*Previous version reverted to: <!-- This is MANDATORY. --> | |||
*1st revert: | |||
**The user removed a category that Timeshifter added. In the edit summary the user admits the edit is a revert. | |||
'''Previous version reverted to:''' | |||
Set 2. | |||
*Previous version reverted to: <!-- This is MANDATORY. --> | |||
'''Diffs of the user's reverts:''' | |||
*2nd revert: | |||
# , using their IP, which is ] | |||
# | |||
# | |||
In each of the reverts the user is removing | |||
# | |||
<blockquote>], the punishment of an innocent Palestinian "for an offence he or she has not personally committed."<ref name="Geneva-article33">, International Committee of the Red Cross</ref><ref name="Amnesty-rubble"/></blockquote> | |||
and replacing it with | |||
<blockquote>], Amnesti International stated that, while the Israeli authorities contend destroyed structures were used or could be used by Palestinian armed groups to shoot or launch attacks against Israelis, such demolitions are often also manifestly carried out in retaliation for Palestinian attacks and therefore represent a form of collective punishment.<ref name="Amnesty-rubble"/></blockquote> | |||
'''Diff of edit warring / 3RR warning:''' | |||
**This warning was given after Jaakobou made 3 reverts in 24 hours, but before his fourth revert. The warning has a link to ] as well. Jaakobou read this warning and before making the fourth revert. | |||
*Please note: in , the user him/herself alleges another user of violating WP:3rr. | |||
'''Diff of attempt to resolve dispute on article talk page:''' | |||
All 4 reverts are on December 29, thus within a 24 hour period.] (]) 19:41, 29 December 2007 (UTC) | |||
'''Diff of ANEW notice posted to user's talk page:''' | |||
* He is actually up to 4 reverts on the "Amnesti" text alone () making this an even clearer violation (5 reverts in total). <]/]]> 19:48, 29 December 2007 (UTC) | |||
:*Actually, that is the previous version he/she reverted to, as stated in the request.] (]) 19:51, 29 December 2007 (UTC) | |||
<u>'''Comments:'''</u> <br /> | |||
'''comment''' - i believe Eleland has misunderstood that two different issues are not a single compilable issue. As for violations, if anything, Eleland has violated ] and ] while being uninvolved on talk and ] on the article's history . This after he's been asked to stop this type of behavior . <b><font face="Arial" color="teal">]</font><font color="1F860E"><sup>'']''</sup></font></b> 20:00, 29 December 2007 (UTC) | |||
:Please note this is the noticeboard for violations of the 3rr rule. If eleland is disruptive, you should take it to WP:ANI (or a more appropriate place).] (]) 20:09, 29 December 2007 (UTC) | |||
:Please also note that Jaakobou has been blocked for 3rr violations before. Check out the user's .] (]) 20:12, 29 December 2007 (UTC) | |||
::I agree with both Bless sins's report and with Jaakobou's comment. The three-revert rule is not an entitlement, but an electric fence, and Eleland is most certainly edit warring, even though he hasn't exceeded three reverts in 24 hours. I am not willing to block only one party here: only to block both or neither. ] ] 20:17, 29 December 2007 (UTC) | |||
*Wamalotpark is edit warring with multiple editors across multiple articles, and are making the same edits .-- ]<sup>]</sup> 00:13, 24 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
'''Comment''' - I have spoken to jaakobou and he's willing to settle this edit war in a civil manner on the article's talk page, rather than continue this nonsense. The question is whether Eleland, who is well-known for countless bad faith assumptions and personal attacks, can do the same. If he agrees, then I don't think there's a need to block anyone just yet. -- ] <sup>(])</sup> 20:43, 29 December 2007 (UTC)<br /> | |||
*The charge is obviously correct. ], I reverted you because no advantage should go to the edit warrior. If you revert again you will be blocked. The logged-out editing is another matter, a more serious matter, and as it happens I can see just how much of it you have been doing. You should stop doing that esp. if, as you did here, you seem to be doing it to avoid scrutiny, because it's abusive and you are going to get blocked for it. ] (]) 00:19, 24 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
Also, considering the first edit given was not a revert per se, but the original insertion of this information, you could say that jaakobou hasn't actually violated the dry rule of WP:3RR, although both parties are guilty of edit-warring. -- ] <sup>(])</sup> 20:45, 29 December 2007 (UTC) | |||
== ] reported by ] (Result: No violation) == | |||
**This is offtopic, but there's a difference between ''assuming'' bad faith and ''concluding'' that somebody is just not a productive editor. Essentially all of Jaakobou's edits fall into one of two categories: | |||
::#Adding contentious, unsourced or inappropriately sourced, and awkwardly written "pro-Israel" information to articles about that country | |||
::#Reverting edits on articles about that country, often edits which repair the damage caused by #1. | |||
**No matter how hard one tries to reach him, Jaakobou remains aloof to the ideas of reliable sources, neutral point of view, and consensus building. When he bothers to explain his actions, it's generally in the form of "This version is better," or "More NPOV this way," with no indication that he has even read the statements made by others. Actually, he doesn't seem to read a lot of things, including the edits which he reverts and the sources which he cites. Obviously, this leads to an exasperated reaction. Jaakobou then seizes on this reaction with cries of ] and ], allowing him to further evade discussion. | |||
**I do not know whether this reflects a conscious strategy on Jaakobou's part, but for the purposes of improving the project, I really don't think it matters. Sooner or later, he has to be dealt with. And it starts with taking WP:3RR seriously; there is a disturbing trend whereby Jaakobou slips through 3RR, or is unblocked, on seemingly ''ad hoc'' reasoning. <]/]]> 20:54, 29 December 2007 (UTC) | |||
:::The problem is that if you replace 'jaakobou' with 'Eleland' in your post, the statements would still pretty much be correct (with a few tweaks). Please don't take this as a personal attack against you, just know that not all Wikipedians consider jaakobou a 'problem that has to be dealt with'. So far it seems to me like you are the one deleting jaakobou's sincere and civil comments from your talk page, not vice versa, and assuming bad faith. If you laid back a little and agreed to look at jaakobou as an equal, maybe there wouldn't be nearly as many edit wars between you two. Just for the records, I can show you at least one instance where you have made a very insulting bad-faith assumption against me (so it's not just jaakobou). -- ] <sup>(])</sup> 21:13, 29 December 2007 (UTC) | |||
*Blocked for eighty-four hours, for edit-warring across multiple articles. I see a pattern of edit-warring behavior – at ], ], ], ], and, to a lesser degree, at other articles – that simply needs to stop. -- ''']''' 21:10, 29 December 2007 (UTC) | |||
'''Page:''' {{pagelinks|Hindi–Urdu controversy}} <br /> | |||
'''Comment''' - just for the record, I don't think it's appropriate that an administrator highly involved in Israel and Palestine-related articles should make a decision in this case. It should be an impartial admin. -- ] <sup>(])</sup> 21:14, 29 December 2007 (UTC) | |||
'''User being reported:''' {{userlinks|Augmented Seventh}} | |||
'''Previous version reverted to:''' https://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Hindi–Urdu_controversy&diff=1271389468&oldid=1269162140 | |||
:Oh please... give me a break. -- ''']''' 21:32, 29 December 2007 (UTC) | |||
::I wonder if you would say the same if an admin like Jayjg or SlimVirgin would block a pro-Palestinian editor while ignoring the pro-Israeli, after an edit war. -- ] <sup>(])</sup> 21:39, 29 December 2007 (UTC) | |||
:::That's quite an unhelpful comment to make, Jayjg and SlimVirgin are not involved with the issue here, if you are genuinely concerned about a conflict of interest, I would ask that you take the issue to ] to canvass for further opinions from uninvolved parties on the block, instead of making such comments here. That way, if the block is unwarranted or unfair, it might stand a chance of being overturned, if it's endorsed by other users, then we know the decision was correct. ] (]) 21:42, 29 December 2007 (UTC) | |||
'''Diffs of the user's reverts:''' | |||
===] reported by ] (Result:both blocked)=== | |||
# https://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Hindi–Urdu_controversy&diff=1271341767&oldid=1269162140 | |||
*] violation on | |||
# https://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Hindi–Urdu_controversy&diff=1271342146&oldid=1271341767 | |||
{{Article|Londonderry, North Yorkshire}}. {{3RRV|Traditional unionist}}: Time reported: 16:29, 29 December 2007 (UTC) | |||
# https://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Hindi–Urdu_controversy&diff=1271342693&oldid=1271342146 | |||
# https://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Hindi–Urdu_controversy&diff=1271346369&oldid=1271342693 | |||
# https://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Hindi–Urdu_controversy&diff=1271384695&oldid=1271346369 | |||
# https://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Hindi–Urdu_controversy&diff=1271389468&oldid=1271384695 | |||
*Previous version reverted to: <!-- This is MANDATORY. --> | |||
<!--For more complex reverts it may be necessary to provide a previous version for each revert | |||
and/or the actual words (in bold) that are being reverted or reverted to.--> | |||
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'''Diff of edit warring / 3RR warning:''' https://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=User_talk%3AAugmented_Seventh&diff=1271427280&oldid=1271423082 | |||
*2nd revert: | |||
*3rd revert: | |||
*4th revert: | |||
'''Diff of attempt to resolve dispute on article talk page:''' https://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=User_talk%3AAugmented_Seventh&diff=1271423082&oldid=1271392849 | |||
This user has been asked to stop edit warring and introducing content which reflects their stated POV. The name was used before partition, and they want it to reflect todays political condition. This is only the latest series of reverts, , . This is addressed per WP:IMOS, and they know it. | |||
:I dispute that I am guilty of damaging[REDACTED] - certainly I am not guilty to the extent that the reporting user is on this matter. I stand my by rationale] (]) 20:03, 29 December 2007 (UTC) | |||
'''Diff of ANEW notice posted to user's talk page:''' https://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=User_talk%3AAugmented_Seventh&diff=1271428457&oldid=1271428288 | |||
The name was devised before partition, that is before Northern Ireland existed, and you what to change the context as if it had always been there. I never said you were damaging wikipedia, I'm saying you breached the 3rr and stand my your rationale (POV). By breaching the policies, you damaging wikipedia, and just to make a ].--] (]) 20:12, 29 December 2007 (UTC) | |||
:Nonsense. My rationale is that it is more useful to state that what the situation is now, rather at a date we do not know, which you are assuming was before 1921. This is not the first time that 2 or more nationalist editors have considently seen me fall outside the rules while they stay within them] (]) 20:15, 29 December 2007 (UTC) | |||
*Both editors are edit warring, even though only one has exceeded the arbitrary limit of three reverts in 24 hours. Furthermore, both clearly know better, as they've both been blocked for this in the past. Blocking both for 24 hours. ] ] 20:25, 29 December 2007 (UTC) | |||
<u>'''Comments:'''</u> <br /> | |||
You fall outside the rules because dispite this report, you are doing the same right now on a . Please stop, I've asked you already. --] (]) 20:21, 29 December 2007 (UTC) | |||
:On the troubles article, I've been reverting changes made while a discussion is ongoing about it on the talk page. I have made edits to this article which I stand over, that you have not adequately argued your reasons for reverting.] (]) 20:23, 29 December 2007 (UTC) | |||
The article in question presents one-sided information, and that too sometimes using unsourced and questionable sources. The language Urdu is part of the Pakistani identity, and this article does not engage with the perspectives of Pakistanis who argue that the language Urdu has its own identity, distinct from Hindi. It's culturally insensitive to dismiss the cultural identity of another community and dismiss their perspecitives entirely to push one-sided claims that only serve to undermine their identity. | |||
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User:Ergzay reported by User:CommunityNotesContributor (Result: 1RR imposed on article)
Page: Elon Musk (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
User being reported: Ergzay (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
Previous version reverted to:
Diffs of the user's reverts:
- 18:31, 21 January 2025 (UTC) "Undid revision 1270884092 by RodRabelo7 (talk) Reverting for user specifying basically WP:IDONTLIKETHIS as their reasoning"
- 18:12, 21 January 2025 (UTC) "Undid revision 1270880207 by EF5 (talk) I believe you have reverted this edit in error so I am adding it back. Rando tweet from a random organization? The Anti-defamation league is cited elsewhere in this article and this tweet was in the article previously. I simply copy pasted it from a previous edit. ADL is a trusted source in the perennial source list WP:Reliable_sources/Perennial_sources#Anti-Defamation_League"
- 17:52, 21 January 2025 (UTC) "Undid revision 1270877579 by EF5 (talk) Removing misinformation"
- 17:30, 21 January 2025 (UTC) "Undid revision 1270854942 by Citing (talk) Discussion ongoing and it's incorrect as well"
- 23:07, 20 January 2025 (UTC) "Revert, this is not the purpose of the short description"
- 22:28, 20 January 2025 (UTC) "Undid revision 1270715109 by Fakescientist8000 (talk) Elon is not a multinational"
Diffs of edit warring / 3RR warning:
- 17:57, 21 January 2025 (UTC) "Warning: Three-revert rule on Elon Musk." (edit: corrected diff)
Diffs of attempt to resolve dispute on article talk page:
- 18:32, 21 January 2025 (UTC) "stop edit warring now or it all goes to ANI" (edit: added diff, fix date)
Comments:
Breach of WP:3RR (added comment after 18:49, 21 January 2025 (UTC) comment added below). CNC (talk) 18:52, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
User:CommunityNotesContributor seems to be making a mistake here as several of those edits were of different content. You can't just list every single revert and call it edit warring. And the brief edit warring that did happen stopped as I realized I was reverting the wrong thing. https://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Talk:Elon_Musk&diff=prev&oldid=1270879523 Ergzay (talk) 18:49, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
- Read the bright read box at WP:3RR (. O3000, Ret. (talk) 18:54, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
- @Objective3000 So let me get this straight, you're saying making unrelated reverts of unrelated content in a 24 hour period hits 3RR? You sure you got that right? As people violate that one all the darn time. Never bothered to report people as it's completely innocent. If you're heavily involved on a page and reverting stuff you'll hit that quick and fast for a rapidly updated page. Ergzay (talk) 18:59, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
- WP:3RR:
An editor must not perform more than three reverts on a single page—whether involving the same or different material—within a 24-hour period.
– Muboshgu (talk) 19:01, 21 January 2025 (UTC)- Well TIL on that one as that's the first time I've ever heard of that use case and I've been on this site for 15+ years. 3RR in every use I've ever seen it is about back and forth reverting of the _same content_ within a short period of time. It's a severe rule break where people are clearly edit warring the same content back and forth. Reverting unrelated content on the page (edits that are often clearly vandalism-like edits, like the first two listed) would never violate 3RR in my experience. Ergzay (talk) 19:04, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
- I'd honestly love an explanation on that rule as I can't figure out why it makes sense. You don't want to limit people's ability to fix vandalism on a fast moving page. Ergzay (talk) 19:08, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
- WP:3RR:
There are certain exemptions to the three-revert rule, such as reverting vandalism or clear violations of the policy on biographies of living persons
. – RodRabelo7 (talk) 19:11, 21 January 2025 (UTC)- No I mean even in the wider sense. Like why does it make sense to limit the ability to revert unrelated content on the same page? I can't figure out why that would make sense. The 3RR page doesn't explain that. Ergzay (talk) 19:13, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
- Vandalism is an exemption. But vandalism has a narrow definition. O3000, Ret. (talk) 19:12, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
- WP:3RR:
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- @Objective3000 So let me get this straight, you're saying making unrelated reverts of unrelated content in a 24 hour period hits 3RR? You sure you got that right? As people violate that one all the darn time. Never bothered to report people as it's completely innocent. If you're heavily involved on a page and reverting stuff you'll hit that quick and fast for a rapidly updated page. Ergzay (talk) 18:59, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
- Should be added, that I was in the process of reverting my own edit after the above linked comment, but someone reverted it before I could get to it.
- The 18:12 edit was me undoing what was presumed to be a mistaken change by EF5 that I explained in my edit comment as they seemed to think that "some random twitter account" was being used as a source. That revert was not reverted. The 18:31 edit was a revert of an "i don't like it" edit that someone else made, it was not a revert of a revert of my own change. Ergzay (talk) 19:17, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
- Frankly, I thought your characterization of IDONTLIKEIT in your edit summary was improper and was thinking of reverting you, but didn't want to be a part of what I thought was your edit war. O3000, Ret. (talk) 19:26, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
- We can agree to disagree, but the reasons I called it IDONTLIKEIT was because the person who was reverted described the ADL, who is on the perennial sources list as being reliable, in their first edit description with the wording "LMAO, this is as trustworthy as Fox News" followed by "cannot see the pertinence of this" after another editor restored the content with a different source, which is the edit I reverted. Ergzay (talk) 19:34, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
- Looks like you have seven reverts in two days in a CTOP. I've even seen admins ask someone else to revert instead of violating a revert rule themselves. O3000, Ret. (talk) 19:48, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
- What is a CTOP? Ergzay (talk) 19:58, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
- A CTOP is a WP:CTOP. RodRabelo7 (talk) 19:59, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
- What is a CTOP? Ergzay (talk) 19:58, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
- Looks like you have seven reverts in two days in a CTOP. I've even seen admins ask someone else to revert instead of violating a revert rule themselves. O3000, Ret. (talk) 19:48, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
- We can agree to disagree, but the reasons I called it IDONTLIKEIT was because the person who was reverted described the ADL, who is on the perennial sources list as being reliable, in their first edit description with the wording "LMAO, this is as trustworthy as Fox News" followed by "cannot see the pertinence of this" after another editor restored the content with a different source, which is the edit I reverted. Ergzay (talk) 19:34, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
- Frankly, I thought your characterization of IDONTLIKEIT in your edit summary was improper and was thinking of reverting you, but didn't want to be a part of what I thought was your edit war. O3000, Ret. (talk) 19:26, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
- In Ergzay's defense some of these reverts do seem to be covered under BLP, but many do not and I am concerned about the battleground attitude that Ergzay is taking. The edit summaries "Discussion ongoing and it's incorrect as well" and "Removing misinformation" also seems to be getting into righting great wrongs territory as the coverage happened whether you agree with the analysis or not. Horse Eye's Back (talk) 20:05, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
- @Horse Eye's Back Thanks but at this point things are too heated and people are so confident Musk is some kind of Nazi now nothing I say is gonna change anything. It's not worth the mental exhaustion I spent over the last few hours. So I probably won't be touching the page or talk page again for several days at least unless I get pinged. The truth will come out eventually, just like the last several tempest in a teapots on the Elon Musk page that eventually got corrected. Misplaced Pages is gonna be Misplaced Pages. Ergzay (talk) 21:48, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
Misplaced Pages is gonna be Misplaced Pages.
If your argument is that Misplaced Pages is wrong about things and you have to come in periodically to fix it; that’s not an argument that works very well on an administrative noticeboard -- and certainly not a good argument here at AN3. O3000, Ret. (talk) 22:27, 21 January 2025 (UTC)- I wouldn't worry all too much about it, 1rr for the article will slow things down and is a positive outcome all things considered. Horse Eye's Back (talk) 03:26, 22 January 2025 (UTC)
- This is an incorrect characterization of the discussion. The people you were edit warring with said, correctly, that he was accused of having made what looks like the Nazi salute. As you know from the video and the sources provided, this is objectively correct. You just don't like the fact that reliable sources said this about him. Nobody is trying to put "Elon Musk is a Nazi" in the article. MilesVorkosigan (talk) 23:34, 22 January 2025 (UTC)
- @Horse Eye's Back Thanks but at this point things are too heated and people are so confident Musk is some kind of Nazi now nothing I say is gonna change anything. It's not worth the mental exhaustion I spent over the last few hours. So I probably won't be touching the page or talk page again for several days at least unless I get pinged. The truth will come out eventually, just like the last several tempest in a teapots on the Elon Musk page that eventually got corrected. Misplaced Pages is gonna be Misplaced Pages. Ergzay (talk) 21:48, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
- Based on the comment in response to the notification for this discussion,
"I've been brought to ANI many times in the past. Never been punished for it"
, I was quite surprised to see that the editor didn't acquire an understanding of 3RR when previously warned for edit warring in 2020. That's sometime ago granted, but additionally a lack of awareness of CTOP, when there is an edit notice at Musk's page regarding BLP policy, is highly suggestive of WP:NOTGETTINGIT. This in addition to the 3RR warning that was ignored, followed by continuing to revert other editors, and eventually arguing that it must be because I am wrong. If there is an essay based on "Everyone else must be wrong because I'm always right" I'd very much like to read it. As for this report, I primarily wanted to nip the edit war in the bud which appears to have worked for now, given the talk page warning failed to achieve anything. I otherwise remain concerned about the general WP:NOTHERE based indicators; disruptive editing, battleground attitude, and lack of willingness to collaborate with other editors in a civil manner. CNC (talk) 23:55, 21 January 2025 (UTC)- I have decided, under CTOPS and mindful of the current situation regarding the article subject, a situation that I think we can agree is unlikely to change anytime soon and is just going to attract more contentious editing, that the best resolution here, given that some of Ergzay's reverts are concededly justified on BLP grounds and that he genuinely seems ignorant of the provision in 3RR that covers all edits (a provision that, since he still wants to know, is in response to certain battleground editors in the past who would keep reverting different material within the same 24 hours so as to comply with the letter, but not the spirit, of 3RR (In other words, another case of why we can't have nice things)) is to put the article under 1RR. It will be duly logged at CTOPS. Daniel Case (talk) 00:02, 22 January 2025 (UTC)
- We are likely to see Ergzay at ANI at some point. But as I was thinking of asking for 1RR early today; I'm fine with that decision. O3000, Ret. (talk) 00:25, 22 January 2025 (UTC)
- Good decision. I otherwise think a final warning for edit warring is appropriate, given the 3RR violation even excluding BLPREMOVE reverts (first 4 diffs to be specific). There's nothing else to drag out here given Ergzay intends to take a step back from the Musk article, and per above, there is always the ANI route for any future incidents. CNC (talk) 00:40, 22 January 2025 (UTC)
- @CommunityNotesContributor My statement that you quoted there is because I'm a divisive person and people often don't like how I act on Misplaced Pages and the edits I make. People have dragged me to this place several times in the past over the years and I've always found it reasonably fair against people who are emotionally involved against dragging me down. That is why I said what I did. And as to the previous warning that you claim was me "not getting it", that was 3 reverts of the same material, and with a name 3RR the association is automatic. Edit: And I'll additionally add, I'm most certainly interested in building an accurate encyclopedia. Misplaced Pages at some point in the past lost its mind and has determined that truth seeking is not the ultimate goal, but simply regurgitating sources. I'm still very happy to use sources that exist and they should be used whenever possible, but in this modern day and age of heavily politicized and biased media, editors more than ever need to have wide open eyes and use rational thinking. Ergzay (talk) 09:16, 22 January 2025 (UTC)
- "Misplaced Pages at some point in the past lost its mind and has determined that truth seeking is not the ultimate goal, but simply regurgitating sources" See WP:VNT. Daniel Case (talk) 19:51, 22 January 2025 (UTC)
- And WP:KNOW, while you're at it. Daniel Case (talk) 19:52, 22 January 2025 (UTC)
- "Use wide open eyes and use rational thinking (as defined by me)" seems to implicate Misplaced Pages:No original research, as well. MilesVorkosigan (talk) 23:40, 22 January 2025 (UTC)
- And WP:KNOW, while you're at it. Daniel Case (talk) 19:52, 22 January 2025 (UTC)
- "Misplaced Pages at some point in the past lost its mind and has determined that truth seeking is not the ultimate goal, but simply regurgitating sources" See WP:VNT. Daniel Case (talk) 19:51, 22 January 2025 (UTC)
- I have decided, under CTOPS and mindful of the current situation regarding the article subject, a situation that I think we can agree is unlikely to change anytime soon and is just going to attract more contentious editing, that the best resolution here, given that some of Ergzay's reverts are concededly justified on BLP grounds and that he genuinely seems ignorant of the provision in 3RR that covers all edits (a provision that, since he still wants to know, is in response to certain battleground editors in the past who would keep reverting different material within the same 24 hours so as to comply with the letter, but not the spirit, of 3RR (In other words, another case of why we can't have nice things)) is to put the article under 1RR. It will be duly logged at CTOPS. Daniel Case (talk) 00:02, 22 January 2025 (UTC)
User:68.150.205.46 reported by User:Closed Limelike Curves (Result: Reported user had self-reverted before the report was made)
Page: Droop quota (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
User being reported: 68.150.205.46 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
Previous version reverted to:
Diffs of the user's reverts:
- Consecutive edits made from 08:11, 22 January 2025 (UTC) to 08:14, 22 January 2025 (UTC)
- 08:11, 22 January 2025 (UTC) "Undid revision 1271015371 by 68.150.205.46 (talk)"
- 08:13, 22 January 2025 (UTC) "Undid revision 1271015536 by 68.150.205.46 (talk)"
- 08:14, 22 January 2025 (UTC) "Undid revision 1271014641 by 68.150.205.46 (talk)"
- 07:32, 22 January 2025 (UTC) "there is no consensus in talk. there is no government election today that uses your exact Droop. it is not what Droop says his quota was"
Diffs of edit warring / 3RR warning:
Diffs of attempt to resolve dispute on article talk page:
- 22:01, 20 January 2025 (UTC) "/* Inclusion of plus-one in Droop quota */ reply to Quantling"
- 22:01, 20 January 2025 (UTC) "/* Inclusion of plus-one in Droop quota */ edit reply to Quantling"
- 22:04, 20 January 2025 (UTC) "/* Inclusion of plus-one in Droop quota */ addition"
- 22:05, 20 January 2025 (UTC) "/* Inclusion of plus-one in Droop quota */ edit addition"
Comments:
User has been edit-warring for the past 9 months to try and reinsert incorrect information into the article, despite repeatedly having had this mistake corrected, and a consensus of 5 separate editors against these changes. Request page ban from Droop quota, Hare quota, electoral quota, and single transferable vote. – Closed Limelike Curves (talk) 22:18, 22 January 2025 (UTC)
- Closed Limelike Curves, the user appears to have self-reverted less than an hour after their last edit warring continuation, and 14 hours before your report. ~ ToBeFree (talk) 00:41, 23 January 2025 (UTC)
- Thanks, I missed that (I didn't notice the last edit was a self-revert). – Closed Limelike Curves (talk) 00:51, 23 January 2025 (UTC)
- 68.150.205.46, thanks for self-reverting. Can you agree not to re-add the same material until a real consensus is found? An RfC could help. ~ ToBeFree (talk) 00:42, 23 January 2025 (UTC)
User:Farshwal reported by User:AP 499D25 (Result: Blocked indefinitely)
Page: Tiwana family of Shahpur (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
User being reported: Farshwal (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
Previous version reverted to: diff
Diffs of the user's reverts:
- 10:20–10:32, 22 January 2025 (UTC)
- 10:38, 22 January 2025 (UTC)
- 13:59, 22 January 2025 (UTC)
- 15:24, 22 January 2025 (UTC)
Diff of edit warring / 3RR warning: diff
Diff of attempt to resolve dispute on article talk page: diff (from User:Farshwal themselves)
Diff of ANEW notice posted to user's talk page: diff
Comments:
Hi, I'm just an uninvolved third-party editor who came across this 3RR violation involving the change of "Parmar Rajputs" to "Jats" in the article lead sentence. The editor themself has made a post on the talk page as seen in the diff above, but they continued to edit-war without getting a consensus first at that talk page discussion. Also worth noting the editor had received a prior 7-day block in Sep 2024 for similar disruption, such as this, where they also made an edit changing something to "Jats". — AP 499D25 (talk) 09:02, 23 January 2025 (UTC)
- Comment: In Special:Diff/1271043038 , they are using a slur against the Rajput caste by calling it "R***put" meaning "Son of Wh***", which is also the caste they are deliberately removing from the article. That in itself merits an indef.ArvindPalaskar (talk) 12:03, 23 January 2025 (UTC)
- Blocked indefinitely.--Bbb23 (talk) 14:16, 23 January 2025 (UTC)
User:DoctorWhoFan91 reported by User:Tested account (Result: OP indeffed)
Page: Bhanot (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
User being reported: DoctorWhoFan91 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
Comment:Now what should I say, this reckless person has crossed all limits for three revert rule and spamming on user talk with thrustful comments , and he keeps bothering me repeatedly with the same fabricated nonsense. He keeps giving those mocking statements against me for commissioning an report and is persistently stuck on the same matter over and over again. I want him to be punished for his vile actions, and for the offensive things he has said in his statements, which had a bad influence on people. He is going to everyone’s talk pages
Diffs of the user's reverts:
Diff of edit warring / 3RR warning:
Diff of attempt to resolve dispute on article talk page:
Diff of ANEW notice posted to user's talk page:
Comments:
- I suspect a WP:BOOMERANG is coming here, but for now I'll say to OP, don't make personal attacks as you did here. Bafflingly, you linked to the NPA policy in the same edit summary. — Czello 11:11, 23 January 2025 (UTC)
- The OP account has been reported to AIV by User:Ratnahastin with the suspicion that it's yet another sockpuppet account of User:Truthfindervert: diff. — AP 499D25 (talk) 11:14, 23 January 2025 (UTC)
- Yeah, kinda funny isn't it, a sockpuppet accusing others of edit-warring after move-vandalising. OP has been reported to AIV and SPI btw, so this will just led to them being blocked faster lol. DoctorWhoFan91 (talk) 11:15, 23 January 2025 (UTC)
- Could somone move the page back after OP is blocked, they have done it again. DoctorWhoFan91 (talk) 11:18, 23 January 2025 (UTC)
- Yeah let's give the bots that fix the double-redirects a break and stop move-warring the page until the account is blocked. It's only gonna clutter the page histories and logs more and more, and the title the person is trying to move the page to isn't an unconstructive title anyway. — AP 499D25 (talk) 11:21, 23 January 2025 (UTC)
- Apologies, I got carried away trying to stop the bot. DoctorWhoFan91 (talk) 11:24, 23 January 2025 (UTC)
- Sock, not bot, sorry. DoctorWhoFan91 (talk) 11:25, 23 January 2025 (UTC)
- Apologies, I got carried away trying to stop the bot. DoctorWhoFan91 (talk) 11:24, 23 January 2025 (UTC)
- Yeah let's give the bots that fix the double-redirects a break and stop move-warring the page until the account is blocked. It's only gonna clutter the page histories and logs more and more, and the title the person is trying to move the page to isn't an unconstructive title anyway. — AP 499D25 (talk) 11:21, 23 January 2025 (UTC)
- Could somone move the page back after OP is blocked, they have done it again. DoctorWhoFan91 (talk) 11:18, 23 January 2025 (UTC)
- I will now direct any visiting mods to Tested account clearly edit warring, so yes, this should be a WP:BOOMERANG. I do not know this user but there are multiple accusations of this being an LTA sock. — Czello 11:21, 23 January 2025 (UTC)
- The account is a suspected sock of Truthfindervert, see Misplaced Pages:Sockpuppet investigations/Summerbreakcooldown. Pinging @Ivanvector, Zzuuzz, and Izno:. - Ratnahastin (talk) 11:25, 23 January 2025 (UTC)
- I had said this before as well—you are the same people @Czello@DoctorWhoFan91 who want to manipulate the article in your own way and keep editing it to portray it in the same context of that past misunderstanding and conflict. So, I have nothing for you. You just keep putting in your efforts, but the consequences of your violative actions will come to you eventually. I have no answers for that, but when you are found guilty, you will have to deal with them on your own.
- This is my last reply, requesting administrative intervention as the accuser under the three-revert rule. Tested account (talk) 11:31, 23 January 2025 (UTC)
- The account is a suspected sock of Truthfindervert, see Misplaced Pages:Sockpuppet investigations/Summerbreakcooldown. Pinging @Ivanvector, Zzuuzz, and Izno:. - Ratnahastin (talk) 11:25, 23 January 2025 (UTC)
- I have indefinitely blocked User:Tested account; almost certainly a sock but even if they aren't, they're being wildly disruptive and attacking others. Black Kite (talk) 11:36, 23 January 2025 (UTC)
- The page has also been move-protected for 2 days following a request for move protection I made at RPP/I. — AP 499D25 (talk) 11:37, 23 January 2025 (UTC)
User:Wamalotpark reported by User:Ponyo (Result: Warned )
Page: United States Board on Geographic Names (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
User being reported: Wamalotpark (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
Previous version reverted to: First edit to change the capitalization
Diffs of the user's reverts:
- First revert, using their IP, which is very obviously the same editor
- Second revert
- Third revert
- Fourth revert
Diff of edit warring / 3RR warning: warning
Diff of attempt to resolve dispute on article talk page:
Diff of ANEW notice posted to user's talk page: Notification
Comments:
- Wamalotpark is edit warring with multiple editors across multiple articles, and are making the same edits while logged out.-- Ponyo 00:13, 24 January 2025 (UTC)
- The charge is obviously correct. User:Wamalotpark, I reverted you because no advantage should go to the edit warrior. If you revert again you will be blocked. The logged-out editing is another matter, a more serious matter, and as it happens I can see just how much of it you have been doing. You should stop doing that esp. if, as you did here, you seem to be doing it to avoid scrutiny, because it's abusive and you are going to get blocked for it. Drmies (talk) 00:19, 24 January 2025 (UTC)
User:Augmented Seventh reported by User:Recyclethispizzabox (Result: No violation)
Page: Hindi–Urdu controversy (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
User being reported: Augmented Seventh (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
Previous version reverted to: https://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Hindi–Urdu_controversy&diff=1271389468&oldid=1269162140
Diffs of the user's reverts:
- https://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Hindi–Urdu_controversy&diff=1271341767&oldid=1269162140
- https://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Hindi–Urdu_controversy&diff=1271342146&oldid=1271341767
- https://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Hindi–Urdu_controversy&diff=1271342693&oldid=1271342146
- https://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Hindi–Urdu_controversy&diff=1271346369&oldid=1271342693
- https://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Hindi–Urdu_controversy&diff=1271384695&oldid=1271346369
- https://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Hindi–Urdu_controversy&diff=1271389468&oldid=1271384695
Diff of edit warring / 3RR warning: https://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=User_talk%3AAugmented_Seventh&diff=1271427280&oldid=1271423082
Diff of attempt to resolve dispute on article talk page: https://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=User_talk%3AAugmented_Seventh&diff=1271423082&oldid=1271392849
Diff of ANEW notice posted to user's talk page: https://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=User_talk%3AAugmented_Seventh&diff=1271428457&oldid=1271428288
Comments:
The article in question presents one-sided information, and that too sometimes using unsourced and questionable sources. The language Urdu is part of the Pakistani identity, and this article does not engage with the perspectives of Pakistanis who argue that the language Urdu has its own identity, distinct from Hindi. It's culturally insensitive to dismiss the cultural identity of another community and dismiss their perspecitives entirely to push one-sided claims that only serve to undermine their identity.
- No violation Bbb23 (talk) 01:00, 24 January 2025 (UTC)
- Left CTOPS notice on talk page. Daniel Case (talk) 01:41, 24 January 2025 (UTC)