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	== Reincarnations and Sea Org ==

	:''there are, however, no reports yet of reincarnated Scientologists rejoining the Sea Org.''

			== Long footers/captions of pictures ==
	While amusing, this seems like a rather POV jab at Scientology. -- ] 05:44, Nov 21, 2003 (UTC)

			Long texts under pictures can stretch the picture frame sideways, much broader than actual pictures, and in some cases so much that on some monitors almost no text can be flowed by it's side.
	::What's more, those who died in the early days of the Sea Org would just now be coming of age - assuming they reincarnated immediately after death. ] 18:49, 21 Nov 2003 (UTC)

			I have tested putting line breaks <nowiki></br></nowiki> on suitable places in those lines and because in preview it reclaimed the wasted monitor space, published them.
	:::It can be interpreted as a jab at Scientology, yes, but it can also be a valid question: Does Scientology in fact believe that any of the people who signed contracts with the Church of Scientology promising to come back and take up the same job after they reincarnate have, in fact, done so? If they do, who, and what is their evidence? If not, how do they explain the absence? (While Mkweise's point about the timing is a good one, I don't know if that's their explanation for the absence, or if in fact they do have Sea Org members who are considered to be reincarnations of previous signers?) -- ] 17:40, 19 Feb 2005 (UTC)

			] reverted one of those with comment
	::::There have been Sea Org members who claim to be past life Sea Org. However, there are no official releases regarding them. ] 16:32, 30 August 2005 (UTC)
			Revert caption changes. they looked good on a cell phone but awful on a computer web browser. long captions automatically wrap

			It seems my solution was not suitable for every configuration, but at the same time it seems his remark is not true in all environments. I worked on comp screen; before my change (and after revert) in my case long captions didn't. (and don't) automatically revert. It seems the problem (no automatical varp for long captions), which I fudged by inserting newline tags, might be environment (e.g. browser, and maybe even version) dependant. I used and older version of firefox at the time.
	:::::C'mon people get real. Suppose for a flashing instant it was all real, that people drop a body, pick up another body and with the new identity, get active in Sea Org again. If the Church of Scientology claimed such a thing had happened, do you think anyone could keep a straight face while reading it? lol. Do you think such a person would come forth and announce himself? Does the phrase, "prove it !" come to mind? lol ] 21:37, 3 January 2006 (UTC)

			And you (Grorp) seem to have been right: in Opera on the same comp long captions do seem to get automatically warped, so I am reverting my other recent patchy picture caption changes.
	::::::Hmm these Scientologist have been playing too much Second Life by the sounds of things... <small>—Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 17:42, August 27, 2007 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
			:edit: he already reverted all of them before I could. In Firefox 115.4.0esr {{em\|on this comp long picture captions are not automatically warped}}, and are again looking awful on this version of this computer web browser. When I am at some other comp I'll see if it's just this version or FF in general.

			] (]) 16:49, 20 November 2023 (UTC)
	:::::Word to that. PS: what about that billion year contract they enter when they first go into scientology? Does the article talk about that? ] (]) 22:13, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

			: I checked 3 computer browsers (Firefox, Edge & Brave) looking at the current version (wrapping captions) and your version with the line-breaks in them. I tried it logged in and logged out, and tried two Misplaced Pages skins: Vector 2022 (default) and Vector legacy 2010 (my preference). The non-line-break version wraps correctly in all cases. <span style="text-shadow:#000 0em 0em 1em">]</span> 18:42, 20 November 2023 (UTC)
	== Who's at the top? ==

			== Unused sources from "Works cited" section ==
	I want to know more about the inner circle at the top of the CoS. Does the evidence suggest they're firm believers, or is there evidence that they know the whole thing is a scam? People pour money into the CoS. Where does that money go? Who's getting rich? Who's the CEO? Did these people rise up through the ranks (which would be evidence that they're believers) or did they skip the typical initiation phase?

			All of the sources mentioned in the "Works cited" section are not actually referenced in the article itself. I'm putting them here in case anyone needs to use or restore them. I'm leaving one, Lamont 1986, in "Further reading" because it is focused on the organization(s) and most closely matches the subject material.
	== Tottenham Court Road photo ==

			* {{Cite book \|last1=Corydon \|first1=Bent \|last2=Hubbard \|first2=L. Ron Jr. \|author-link2=Ronald DeWolf \|year=1987 \|title=L. Ron Hubbard: Messiah Or Madman? \|place=New Jersey \|publisher=Lyle Stuart \|isbn=0-8184-0444-2 \|oclc=16130709 \|title-link=L. Ron Hubbard: Messiah Or Madman? }}
	The photo of the Scientology Centre on Tottenham Court Road is out of date. The centre has since been refurbished and the front of it looks rather different - red sign rather than blue and a glassier doorway.
			* {{Cite book \|last=Lamont \|first=Stewart \|year=1986 \|title=Religion Inc.: The Church of Scientology \|place=London \|publisher=Harrap \|isbn=0-245-54334-1 \|oclc=23079677 \|title-link=Religion Inc. }}
			* {{cite book \|last=Melton \|first=J. Gordon \|author-link=J. Gordon Melton \|title=The Church of Scientology \|publisher=Signature Press \|year=2000 \|location=Salt Lake City \|isbn=978-1-56085-139-4 \|url=https://archive.org/details/churchofscientol00meltrich/}}
			* {{Cite book \|last=Partridge \|first=Christopher Hugh \|title=UFO Religions \|publisher=Routledge \|year=2003 \|isbn=0-415-26324-7 \|oclc=51342721}}
			* {{Cite book \|last1=Savino \|first1=John \|first2=Marie D. \|last2=Jones \|title=Supervolcano: The Catastrophic Event That Changed the Course of Human History \|publisher=Career Press \|year=2007 \|isbn=978-1-56414-953-4 \|oclc=123539673 \|url-access=registration \|url=https://archive.org/details/supervolcanocata0000savi }}

			<span style="text-shadow:#000 0em 0em 1em">]</span> 06:27, 3 April 2024 (UTC)
	== Germany Seeks to Ban Scientology ==

			== German “Sekte” mistranslated as “sect”; false friend; should be “cult” ==
	*{{cite news \| last =Staff \| first = \| coauthors = \| title =German Official Wants Scientology Ban \| work =] \| pages = \| language = \| publisher = \| date =], ]
	\| url =http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5hfOzwpRMc_JIbmJomTjkyJCbEfWAD8TA4EU00 \| accessdate = 2007-12-04 }}
	*{{cite news \| last =Staff \| first = \| coauthors = \| title =Germany Seeks to Ban Scientology \| work =] \| pages = \| language = \| publisher = \| date =], ]
	\| url =http://www.denverpost.com/nationworld/ci_7659965 \| accessdate = 2007-12-07 }}
	*{{cite news \| last =Charbonneau \| first =Louis \| coauthors = \| title =German ministers say Scientology unconstitutional \| work =] \| pages = \| language = \| publisher = \| date =], ] \| url =http://www.reuters.com/article/filmNews/idUSL0767062220071207 \| accessdate = 2007-12-07 }}
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	This source info should be mentioned in the article. ] 10:04, 4 December 2007 (UTC).

			Please change the word “sect” in the top summary in the sentence of how the German Government defines COS to “cult”.
	== Vandalism ==

			This is a false friend: the German word “Sekte” is translated as “cult”, not “sect”. “Sect” means something different in English (as in a subgroup, an offshoot of smth.) - the German gov. actually sees COS as a full on “cult” (i.e. fanatic high-control-group working against liberal-democratic fundamental order). ] (]) 16:45, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
	I just undid some vandalism. Someone added in a sentence of offensive obscenities in the article. Is this article vandalized often? When you undo something, does it automatically sent a message to the wikipedia moderators who look over offensive things, and ban the person making them? Or does it record the IP address and if someone gets their additions undone a few times, then they look into it? Any ideas? ] (]) 14:25, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

			== Semi-protected edit request on 7 June 2024 ==
	== Beliefs ==

			{{Edit semi-protected\|Church of Scientology\|answered=yes}}
	I think a brief section explaining exactly what the beliefs of the Church of Scientology are. It can reference the main article "Scientology", but I think an article on a church is incomplete without what its beliefs. <small>—Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 07:48, 15 December 2007 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
			Thomas Cruise should be added to the Celebrity Section to bring awareness on powerful people who are associated with the church. ] (]) 16:23, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
	::I agree. What kind of article wouldn't include that? I just checked the articles for the Roman Catholic religion and for the religion of Islam and both of those articles clearly define the beliefs of those religions. ] (]) 00:48, 23 December 2007 (UTC)
			:] '''Not done:'''<!-- Template:ESp --> There's already a main article at ], which does mention Tom Cruise. Per ], it's unnecessary to replicate all the contents of the article in this section. ] (]) 16:27, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
	:::I believe we already have an article about ]. <small>—Preceding ] comment added by ] (] • ]) 02:54, 23 December 2007 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

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Long footers/captions of pictures

Long texts under pictures can stretch the picture frame sideways, much broader than actual pictures, and in some cases so much that on some monitors almost no text can be flowed by it's side.

I have tested putting line breaks </br> on suitable places in those lines and because in preview it reclaimed the wasted monitor space, published them.

User: Grorp reverted one of those with comment

Revert caption changes. they looked good on a cell phone but awful on a computer web browser. long captions automatically wrap

It seems my solution was not suitable for every configuration, but at the same time it seems his remark is not true in all environments. I worked on comp screen; before my change (and after revert) in my case long captions didn't. (and don't) automatically revert. It seems the problem (no automatical varp for long captions), which I fudged by inserting newline tags, might be environment (e.g. browser, and maybe even version) dependant. I used and older version of firefox at the time.

And you (Grorp) seem to have been right: in Opera on the same comp long captions do seem to get automatically warped, so I am reverting my other recent patchy picture caption changes.

edit: he already reverted all of them before I could. In Firefox 115.4.0esr on this comp long picture captions are not automatically warped, and are again looking awful on this version of this computer web browser. When I am at some other comp I'll see if it's just this version or FF in general.

Marjan Tomki SI (talk) 16:49, 20 November 2023 (UTC)

I checked 3 computer browsers (Firefox, Edge & Brave) looking at the current version (wrapping captions) and your version with the line-breaks in them. I tried it logged in and logged out, and tried two Misplaced Pages skins: Vector 2022 (default) and Vector legacy 2010 (my preference). The non-line-break version wraps correctly in all cases. ▶ I am Grorp ◀ 18:42, 20 November 2023 (UTC)

Unused sources from "Works cited" section

All of the sources mentioned in the "Works cited" section are not actually referenced in the article itself. I'm putting them here in case anyone needs to use or restore them. I'm leaving one, Lamont 1986, in "Further reading" because it is focused on the organization(s) and most closely matches the subject material.

Corydon, Bent; Hubbard, L. Ron Jr. (1987). L. Ron Hubbard: Messiah Or Madman?. New Jersey: Lyle Stuart. ISBN 0-8184-0444-2. OCLC 16130709.
Lamont, Stewart (1986). Religion Inc.: The Church of Scientology. London: Harrap. ISBN 0-245-54334-1. OCLC 23079677.
Melton, J. Gordon (2000). The Church of Scientology. Salt Lake City: Signature Press. ISBN 978-1-56085-139-4.
Partridge, Christopher Hugh (2003). UFO Religions. Routledge. ISBN 0-415-26324-7. OCLC 51342721.
Savino, John; Jones, Marie D. (2007). Supervolcano: The Catastrophic Event That Changed the Course of Human History. Career Press. ISBN 978-1-56414-953-4. OCLC 123539673.

▶ I am Grorp ◀ 06:27, 3 April 2024 (UTC)

German “Sekte” mistranslated as “sect”; false friend; should be “cult”

Please change the word “sect” in the top summary in the sentence of how the German Government defines COS to “cult”.

This is a false friend: the German word “Sekte” is translated as “cult”, not “sect”. “Sect” means something different in English (as in a subgroup, an offshoot of smth.) - the German gov. actually sees COS as a full on “cult” (i.e. fanatic high-control-group working against liberal-democratic fundamental order). 2A0C:D242:3880:B500:89A3:75E8:92EE:5839 (talk) 16:45, 1 June 2024 (UTC)

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Thomas Cruise should be added to the Celebrity Section to bring awareness on powerful people who are associated with the church. 205.215.209.250 (talk) 16:23, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

Not done: There's already a main article at Scientology and celebrities, which does mention Tom Cruise. Per WP:SUMMARY, it's unnecessary to replicate all the contents of the article in this section. Liu1126 (talk) 16:27, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

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