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I periodically go through and clean out the old comments. This is because they refer to old situations or that the discussions are otherwise no longer current. Comments that remain for a long time are intended merely as reminders for things I need to work on someday. Those looking for my talk page archives are invited to refer to the history of this page.

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Lore Sjöberg

Thank you for putting up that quote and a link to the Wired article on your user page. It's been a while since I've laughed so much. As they say, it's funny because it's true :) §FreeRangeFrog 21:12, 3 March 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, once I saw that one I knew I had to include it.DreamGuy (talk) 15:26, 4 March 2009 (UTC)

courtesy notification

Your Canadian friends have opened a thread about you on AN/I. Looks like you might have hit a nail on the head..
⋙–Berean–Hunter—► ((⊕)) 23:28, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for the heads up. Saw that he reverted the IP talk page. The ANI post certainly doesn't help his case any. DreamGuy (talk) 23:33, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

IP blocked for two weeks as a sock of you-know-who. I think everyone is catching on by about the fourth time that this has happened. :) MuZemike 00:01, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for filing that report and letting me know the results. DreamGuy (talk) 00:19, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

Repressed memory

Hi DG,

I've undone your revert to repressed memory. I think the page is certainly problematic, but I don't think JAR is POV-pushing and I certainly don't think the page is adequate. I'd rather work towards a better version that's reflecting the majority and minority opinion than play whack-the-revert-button with various editors. I've continued to read on the topic and repressed memories are certainly debateable, but we need to reflect the debate even if it means noting the spurious pseudoscience that most of the recovered-memory crowd cites. WLU (t) (c) Misplaced Pages's rules:/_complex 14:20, 15 September 2009 (UTC)

Jack-A-Roe may not be intentionally pushing a POV (though he certainly may be -- he has a long history of questionable edits), but the edits in question certainly have that end result. He said something was a RS, we both say it's not, without other input the end result should be that the content should be removed. And we do not need to reflect spurious pseudoscience, per our WP:FRINGE standards. DreamGuy (talk) 18:39, 15 September 2009 (UTC)

Could you weigh in on the talk page, I've started a section. I've always found JAR to be reasonable even if I disagree, and since I don't see this as an issue of reliability (my points are about undue weight) there's a good chance of convincing him or at least starting a discussion. Also, your revert undid my edits to the research section, so I replaced them. Just an FYI, I figured you weren't trying to undo that as well. My replacement didn't change any of the edits where you undid my undo of JAR's undo of my doing. WLU (t) (c) Misplaced Pages's rules:/_complex 19:46, 15 September 2009 (UTC)

Montague Druitt

Hi Dreamguy, I recall that you used to edit articles related to Jack the Ripper. If you have time, would you mind taking a look at Montague Druitt? I'd be interested to know whether you feel it's comprehensive. Looking around on Google, I can see a lot of details that aren't in the article, but it could be that they're not reliable. The reason I'm asking is that it's up for featured article status; see Misplaced Pages:Featured article candidates/Montague Druitt/archive1. But if you don't have time to look, no worries. SlimVirgin 12:34, 8 February 2010 (UTC)

Thanks

Hi, just a note to say thank you for looking at that Ripper-related featured-article candidate the other week. I was out of my depth with it, so your input was really helpful. SlimVirgin 19:00, 21 February 2010 (UTC)

Copyright issue.

Hello DG.

I have a question concerning copyright and I value your knowledge on the subject.

What is the copyright status of works that are considered "illegal" (e.g. obscene)

For instance: Say during the 1950's someone published a comic book that with the implemention of the comics code became illegal to republish--would the owner of the copyright still have been allowed to renew the copyright?

Also, in the case of pulp novels, if the publisher renewed the copyright for the novel, would the copyright for the original cover have had to be renewed at the same time? I'm talking about the period during which the copyright had to be physically renewed by the original copyright holder or a legal heir.

Thanks in advance. Revmagpie (talk) 10:13, 20 June 2010 (UTC)

Responded on your talk page. DreamGuy (talk) 16:00, 12 September 2010 (UTC)

Statement analysis

Thanks for working on statement analysis. I was the one who originally created the talk page and likened statement analysis to voodoo and criticized that it seemed like a paraphrase of McClish's web site. I don't have a dog in this race and am neither for nor against statement analysis. However, I think the article was in pretty good shape as the result of a bunch of edits various users made from the time I started the talk page and I think you and another user have taken too much out of the article. Over a period of years, those editors added a lot of sourcing and examples and deleted most of the promotional material McClish or one of his boosters added to the article. I agree that more sourcing for the reliability of statement analysis is necessary and that the article should have more anti-statement analysis sources. But don't throw the baby out with the bathwater. Any tool that is widely used in law enforcement and can allow trained investigators to ACCURATELY spot WITHIN SECONDS (for example) that the Jon-Benet ransom note was fraudulent or that Susan Smith knew her kids were dead must have some merit to it. My main concern is that all of the cases presented on both McClish's web site and Sapir's web site show that people are guilty. If statement analysis is only used to gather incriminating evidence and never exculpatory evidence then that is a problem with it. I also question whether that source added recently -- Skeptics -- is a reliable one. There must be something critical written about statement analysis and CBCA in the scientific literature that would be more worthy.18.171.0.233 (talk) 19:50, 15 September 2010 (UTC)

Answered at article Talk page. - LuckyLouie (talk) 00:59, 16 September 2010 (UTC)

Lon Williams

You, sir, are a gentleman and a scholar! Thanks for the reference, now I have another book to track down!

And as one fan to another, a message board post by Mr. Williams' granddaughter indicated that there were two unpublished Deputy Marshal Winters stories in her possession. Here's hoping someone someday publishes an omnibus volume and includes them!--Roland (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 14:47, 15 April 2011 (UTC).

Random survey about verifiability, not truth

Hi, This is a random survey regarding the first sentence on the Misplaced Pages policy page Verifiability.

"The threshold for inclusion in Misplaced Pages is verifiability, not truth—whether readers can check that material in Misplaced Pages has already been published by a reliable source, not whether editors think it is true."

In your own words, what does this mean? Thank you. Regards, Bob K31416 (talk) 22:13, 19 August 2011 (UTC)

Well, personally it's (with "you" being someone we direct to the first sentence and not necessarily you you):

"If there's an idea that the best of reliable sources say is true that you do not think is true, tough. Your personal opinion doesn't trump the experts. If you believe strongly enough about it then go become an expert, get published by reliable sources, and change the world's perceptions. Then and only then will we change the Misplaced Pages article. Until that time we have no idea of whether you're just some crank who only thinks he knows what the truth is. (Well, no, actually we already do have a really good idea that you are a crank who wouldn't know truth if it snuck up and split your skull with a lamp, but it's rude to come out and say that, and Misplaced Pages as a whole usually feels it is better to be nice than honest, so we'll pretend you might be a future world expert instead of telling you to just go away like we probably ought to.)"

"Truth" for a lot of people seems to just be a code word for "what I want to believe despite all evidence to the contrary". They had to come up with that phrase to take away the argument that "truth" trumps everything else. I strongly support its inclusion there for that reason and will be one of many to fight tooth and nail to prevent anyone from removing it. DreamGuy (talk) 17:30, 21 August 2011 (UTC)

Thank you. Regards, Bob K31416 (talk) 19:01, 21 August 2011 (UTC)

ArbCom

You have been mentioned in this arbcom case: . IRWolfie- (talk) 18:41, 9 May 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for the notice. That was... odd and difficult to follow. Best as I could figure it out it was Anupam suggesting a large conspiracy of people opposing him in different ways on different articles who are all bad because they oppose his edits. With the ANI thread confirming he comes from Conservapedia I guess I shouldn't be surprised at anything he does. DreamGuy (talk) 01:08, 12 May 2012 (UTC)

Arbitration re Malleus

You have made a serious allegation about Malleus with no proof whatsoever offered. In addtion to Malleus himself, there have been two of us who have challenged this. Please respond on that page. LadyofShalott 14:47, 6 July 2012 (UTC)

Forgive me, but the "allegation" is not new, and I thought it was very well-traveled territory. Furthermore, IRWolfie had already provided evidence for it on that very page. However, I appreciate the note here to alert me to the fact that some people are acting like this is shocking new information. I can certainly clarify it further. DreamGuy (talk) 00:55, 7 July 2012 (UTC)

I've got to share this with someone

How terrible is this? It's like their literature search stopped at 1996, and their literature search for satanic ritual abuse didn't even happen. Then entire SRA section appears to be sourced almost entirely to one Jesus-freak book and Randy Noblitt. No mention of Mary DeYoung, Jean LaFontaine or Jeff Victor, not an ounce of skeptical literature, but an extensive discussion of the Extreme Abuse Surveys, ResearchEditor's little pet project. Which is described as "a cutting edge project". It's like I'm reading a Poe's law version of a MA thesis on SRA. Wow, just wow. I dare you to try to make it through the whole thing :) Friends should not let friends go to Adler Graduate School. I'm surprised the wikipedia page doesn't have the words 'diploma mill' in it. WLU (t) (c) Misplaced Pages's rules:/_complex 05:43, 21 July 2012 (UTC)

It's bad, but I have seen worse. The course I took in Adlerian Psychotherapy at a state university only had five students and was a 400 level course for me but worth graduate credits for those pursuing a Master's just by writing an extra paper or two. It wouldn't have surprised me to discover that the papers written for that were similar to this one. I think the Adlerian Graduate School is just so happy to have anyone wanting to be affiliated with Adlerian theory these days that they aren't too picky. DreamGuy (talk) 13:57, 21 July 2012 (UTC)

Hi DG, your comment at WT:MED has been replied to. I don't know if you're going to reply to it again (since you have an ounce of common sense and a ton of experience, you must realize that it will be fruitless) but just in case I'm going to ask that you don't. I've been dealing with this sort of nonsense for a very long time now, and without attention it simply withers. There is no reasonable discussion to be had here, and while I appreciate and agree with your comments, long and bitter (ha!) experience has taught me that it won't get anywhere. Since none of this affects any actual pages, I'm just ignoring it and letting it die. If it ever gets to the point of a RFC/U or AN/ANI posting, you are welcome to give your thoughts - but we both know WT:MED isn't the place to address this. WLU (t) (c) Misplaced Pages's rules:/_complex 13:01, 24 July 2012 (UTC)

Comment

Hey Dream. This comment does not add anything to the topic at hand. Thus would suggest you remove it cross it out. Cheers. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) (if I write on your talk page please reply on mine) 22:43, 29 July 2012 (UTC)

I should say I suggest you cross it out :-) Doc James (talk · contribs · email) (if I write on your talk page please reply on mine) 00:48, 30 July 2012 (UTC)

I strongly suggest you work with Doc James and other experienced medical editors to improve the article. Looking through the article talk page, I see many times when you and others have engaged in making unhelpful commentary on other editors. On an article talk page, please strongly stick to commenting on text and sources. Issues you have with a particular editor's actions don't belong there. If you can at all possible, then just keep your frustrations to yourself (or partner or stuffed toy or whatever helps you release) and try to move on. If you must comment, begin on the editors own talk page. If that fails to deal with the issue, there are other forums. But article talk pages (and WP:MED talk page) should not be used for this. If you stick to this, the article talk page remains focussed and becomes a place where other editors can help, rather than a battleground where good editors keep clear. Keeping the discussion focussed on one area rather than e.g. the whole lead or an entire section, can also help. No editor is perfect and I've lost my cool on WP too. It can help to take a break for a day or so and then when cooled down, try to find something to genuinely apologise for and something to agree on to move forward. If you can praise another editor's edits, that helps too. Colin° 08:09, 30 July 2012 (UTC)

You know, you could just as easily strongly suggest DocJames and others work with me, as I have tons of experience dealing with controversial articles and problem editors, and this one in particular. I also had a lot of experience blocking the efforts of POV pushers on the Rorschach test article for years before DocJames came along and ended up getting all the credit for it because, excuse me if I am a tad rusty on the details, one of the POV pushers there stalked him and tried to threaten his job and it made the papers. I may not get any credit for my hard work, but that doesn't mean anyone else is more important than I am.

And as far as taking a break for a day or so from the DID article -- you know, I took a break for several *months* recently, and can you guess what happened? A POV pusher whose problem edits had been successfully opposed in the past returned when he saw I wasn't active there and made close to 1,000 edits in a row (I'm serious, check the history) to turn the thing into his own personal opinion page. It stayed like that far, far longer than it should have. Somehow nobody else caught it or was willing to do anything about it. But I fixed it, and with the help of WLU and the input of others, it stayed fixed.

So, please, take your own advice and praise another editor's edits. Lecturing me like I'm some newbie to Misplaced Pages who knows nothing about DID or other psychology topics is both insulting and not a great sales pitch for anything else you have to say. If you want to help improve the article, great. If you want DocJames to help improve the article, also great. I'll work with you both, and anyone else who has a good faith desire to improve the article. But you have to work with me also, and so far that seems to be the part that is lacking. DreamGuy (talk) 01:15, 31 July 2012 (UTC)

DreamGuy, please don't get all defensive about this. Your hot-headed response above is exactly what is causing your problems at DID. There are times in that talk page where your commentary should have got you blocked. The section with the comment Doc James diffs above is particularly bad, and typical of how badly you are behaving towards Tylas and any other editor who doesn't make the article how-you-want-it. Right now, I'm just reviewing the situation at DID. I'm sure you are a fantastic editor elsewhere on WP but that doesn't concern me. I'm just responding to the request for help at WP:MED. I'm no medical expert and don't have access to the sources so I won't be much use unless you're wanting someone to peer-review the prose -- which requires a degree of stability that article can only dream of at present.

I agree that Tylas is just not getting a lot of WP policy/guidelines stuff and is difficult to work with. Either you deal with her respectfully, professionally and cool-headedly, or I suggest you find other places to apply your gifts to WP. Seriously. There are times on that page when you are the problem, and definitely not helping things. You've got to take all that frustration about other editors and release it somewhere other than the article talk page. Everyone has got to stop reverting all the time, and slow down. And if you expect Tylas to engage in a source-based discussion on article text, then you have to also. Many times in the discussion, I see the two of you just shouting your personal opinions over the top of each other. Do you realise that your belief that you are "right" is just as strong as hers? You know that what counts on WP is the sources, so use them. Don't just claim the best sources say X. Prove it. Offer example text with sources and get a discussion going round that text. I know you've done this but that needs to be the pattern. Stop claiming Tylas is POV pushing and citing WP:COMPETENCE. You might "know" or "believe" this but it is a personal attack and unhelpful. It is just a technique to dismiss and belittle your opponent.

There are two extremes of editors who deal with controversial articles. There's the OrangeMarlin wack-a-mole approach where you go round reverting and insulting all those editors who "damage" Misplaced Pages with their ignorance and delusions. Or there's the Eubulides approach where you show every editor respect; where you explain every revert with a talk page note; where you try to learn from the misguided addition to see if there's something missing or to-be-improved in the article; where you don't boast about your own qualifications to editor or shout about the other guy's incompetence. Eubulides legacy is several FAs on controversial topics that are still solid articles years after he left.

I suspect you getting hot under the collar and thinking of a biting reply to this patronising little twerp who has landed on your talk page. I'm just trying to find ways of getting those editors on DID to work successfully together. If you think you're already perfect, then fine, just delete this post. Colin° 07:56, 31 July 2012 (UTC)

Have commented here as I think you are a really good editor and want to see you continuing to edit. Your are a huge plus to Misplaced Pages. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) (if I write on your page reply on mine) 20:45, 5 October 2012 (UTC)

The problem with Misplaced Pages is a lot of the so-called established editors treat other longterm editors worse than some random know-nothing POV-pusher. If people can't deal effectively with some nutcase with a clearly stated agenda to ignore our policies to promote their own view, we've got no chance of dealing succfessfully with the POV-pushers who are better at hiding it.

I had to give up Misplaced Pages for months because I couldn't deal with this nonsense. I don't know that I'm even really back. It's just not worth it. While editors like DocJames and Casliber (no offense, Cas, you do good work, just saying...) get kudos from other editors and write ups in the Misplaced Pages Review, someone like me who has been here longer and made more substantial, direct impact fighting off really bad edits gets kicked around. It's just not worth it. DreamGuy (talk) 18:36, 28 October 2012 (UTC)

Edit summary

I was just reading the comments to the Signpost editorial on the death of Aaron Swartz, and I noticed the edit summary you used here. I'm not going to comment there directly myself, and I have some sympathy with parts of what you are saying there (there was an article in The Times by David Aaronovitch titled 'Even if everything is free, there can be a price' - Thursday 17 January 2013, that says some similar things), but the edit summary is a bit much. You might want to consider clarifying that if things get a bit heated over what you've said? Carcharoth (talk) 04:33, 18 January 2013 (UTC)

Without creating an entire essay on the topic, about the only clarification I would make is that of course Misplaced Pages is not responsible, just as the prosecutor, government, and copyright laws are obviously not responsible. Aaron Swartz killed Aaron Swartz, likely because of a long-running mental illness that distorted his perceptions of the world so that he thought the only possible response was to kill himself. If only the people who want to honor his life tried to do something about the real cause instead of exploiting the tragedy to try to advance their personal political views. DreamGuy (talk) 02:20, 19 January 2013 (UTC)

FMSF, etc.

Sorry. You're absolutely correct in further reverting. I thought the two (apparently) new editors had cancelled each other out. — Arthur Rubin (talk) 19:32, 2 February 2013 (UTC)

Dracula

Hi Dream, having accepted your puristic view on Dracula, have a look at a new refernece that has popped up to http://www.amazon.com/Ultimate-Dracula-Bram-Stoker/dp/3943559009/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1360082007&sr=1-1&keywords=Hans+Corneel+de+Roos#reader_3943559009. As far as I can see that is an illustrated version of Bram Stoker's Dracula done by a photographer and thus hardly a reliable source in the WikiPedia sense. I'll rather you have a look than I get myself into further trouble! - Jens Jens sn (talk) 16:40, 5 February 2013 (UTC)

I don't see it on the article. Maybe someone removed it already? DreamGuy (talk) 02:40, 6 February 2013 (UTC)

Ref 43, at the very end of the Bram Stoker section. Is still there. Check it on Amazon :-) Jens sn (talk) 20:58, 6 February 2013 (UTC)

Oh, when you said Dracula I looked at Dracula, because I don't consider Vlad the Impaler to be the same thing. Should have realized you were talking about the article I met you on. DreamGuy (talk) 01:51, 7 February 2013 (UTC)

Yep :-) I see you have removed it. I have done some serious editting on the site, documented in a new Talk Section. I am far from done, but basically I ahve also looked at teh refernces and the following are most definitely not Credible Sources in teh WikiPedia sense:

Count Dracula's Legend". Romaniatourism.com. Retrieved 2012-08-17 (4)

"The young Dracula environment and education". Exploringromania.com. Retrieved 2012-08-17.(9)

"Vlad Tepes Dracula's internal policy". Exploringromania.com. Retrieved 2012-08-17. (13)

"Vlad Tepes". Retrieved April 24, 2012.(15)

"Vlad the Impaler second rule ". Exploringromania.com. Retrieved 2012-08-17. (16)

"Vlad Tepes". Guide-to-castles-of-europe.com. Retrieved 2012-08-17. (19)

"The Life and Deaths of Vlad the Impaler". Tabula-rasa.info. Retrieved 2012-08-17 (20)

Rezachevici, Constantin (2002). The tomb of Vlad Tepes: the most probable hypothesis. Journal of Dracula Studies, Number 4. (22)

"Top 10 Royals Who Would Have Been Terrible On Facebook". Time. 9 November 2010. (23)

"Story". Library.thinkquest.org. Retrieved 2012-08-17. (34)

Miho Bučinjelić (Michael Bocignolus Raguseus). "Epistula Michaelis Bocignoli Ragusei". Mudrac.ffzg.hr. Retrieved 2012-08-17. (35)

"Epistula Michaelis Bocignoli Ragusei in multiple languages". Archive.org. Retrieved 2012-08-17. (36)

Letopisetul cantacuzinesc" (in (Romanian)). Ro.wikisource.org. Retrieved 2012-08-17. (37)

Prof. Ioan Scurtu, historian (39)

Nicu Parlog (2009-11-30). "Vlad Tepes - the first victim of a press campaign". Descopera.ro. Retrieved 2012-08-17. (40)

"Stefan Andreescu - Vlad Tepes Dracula". Scribd.com. Retrieved 2012-08-17. (41)

They are mainly webpages, blogs and other "stuff".

I am looking for your advice. Should I delete them and if so, what do you do with all the crap that has them as sources?Jens sn (talk) 14:49, 7 February 2013 (UTC)

Oh, that's a mess. I'd suggest you not remove these yourself because you obviously have a source in mind that you believe would be more credible. And you're probably right, because a good number of those above are clearly not appropriate at all.

Some of the above sources are probably fine by our WP:RS standards. For example, wikisource.org and archive.org have some good material, though they have to be judged on a case by case basis on the merits of the individual source posted there (haven't looked at the ones you cite yet). Scribd.com is almost never appropriate (can't recall any time it was) because it's either just personal stuff or a copyright violation (in which case a reference to the original text but without a scribd.com link might be fine, if it met RS rules).

I'll probably have to go through those myself sometime when I can focus my attention on it. You should probably post those to the talk page of the article if you haven't already just in case someone else comes along to see them and act on them before I get a chance. The more people independently agreeing sources aren't good enough to keep the more likely they are to stay out of the article. DreamGuy (talk) 15:41, 9 February 2013 (UTC)

Actually I was not going to replace any of them, I accept my book it not a credible source until someone else says so :-) I'll do some work on the Talk Page. Thanks for your advice. 94.76.238.116 (talk) 19:23, 12 February 2013 (UTC)

Thanks

Thank you! TJRC (talk) 17:25, 16 February 2013 (UTC)

Killdeer

Please see Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Birds#Guidelines for layout of bird articles. See also the archive links in that section for past discussion of the policy. Jimfbleak - talk to me? 14:44, 4 April 2013 (UTC)

Sorry, project guidelines are not policy, and you should stop pretending they are. Actual policy is to use lowercase for nouns that are not proper nouns. This is how Misplaced Pages and the whole English-speaking world does it. It's really ridiculous some silly project guidelines are being cited to overrule the standards of the project as a whole and the real world. DreamGuy (talk) 13:00, 5 April 2013 (UTC)

Savage Land

Can you give a better explanation of why you reverted my edits to Savage Land? What concerns do you have, exactly? You called one of the sources banned. Which one did you mean? Do you have any evidence to back up that assertion? My understanding is that banned sources can not be inserted into articles, as the changes will not save. Finally, you questioned the notability of the section. I don't understand that. Out of universe reception sections are one of the few ways to actually establish notability for fictional plot elements. What notability concerns do you have, exactly? I'm not sure I understand your complaint. Are you saying that the sources themselves are not notable enough to quote? USA Today and CraveOnline are notable. The other one, whatculture.com, I'm not really sure about. NinjaRobotPirate (talk) 23:32, 29 October 2013 (UTC)

The "compared to Skull Island" isn't exactly Reception, just a bit of trivia. It might be worth mentioning somewhere, but on its own it makes no sense. WhatCulture.com is not a reliable source nor a notable commentator -- the fact that it mentions something in one of its many pointless lists isn't worth commenting on pretty much anywhere, let alone an encyclopedia. It's an ad-delivery site, basically, providing no content worthy of an external link, let alone our more stringent reliable sources rules. I thought it was supposed to be in Misplaced Pages's blacklist, but perhaps it's just one of many sites discussed as being bad that never got blacklisted (the people who run that list are hesitant to add too many sites, as every edit to Misplaced Pages has to be run against every URL in the list). DreamGuy (talk) 14:23, 30 October 2013 (UTC)

File source problem with File:SirRobertAnderson.jpg

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What a freaking waste of time. I uploaded that before the new rules for documenting sources were instituted, so didn't include details that were not asked for at that time. Use some common sense. This is extremely public domain. People going around tagging old images without knowing what they are doing are going to undo countless years of effort from hundreds of users and cause a lot of articles to lack good, historical images. DreamGuy (talk) 15:18, 8 December 2013 (UTC)

File source problem with File:Faust and Margaret in the Summer House-Willy Pogany.jpg

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Not this guy again. It's CLEARLY public domain. It's bizarre that anyone would question it. But at least someone read the description and saved it from knee-jerk deletion. DreamGuy (talk) 01:51, 24 May 2014 (UTC)

WP:JSTOR access

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Queen of Swords Lawsuit

As the CEO of Zorro Productions, I was involved in this lawsuit. Judge Collins made two rulings in that case, one favorable and one not so favorable. In the end she vacated (i.e., threw out) both rulings, such that neither has the force of law. The proper way to handle this in Misplaced Pages is to treat the incident as a non-incident, in other words, the entire episode should be disallowed as though it had never happened. However, if you insist on including only one of the two rulings (and even if you cited both), then the disclaimer that the ruling was vacated must be added. Otherwise, it is as if you cited, say, a murder case without noting whether it resulted in a conviction or an acquittal. I appreciate that you enjoyed the Queen of Swords, but, in our opinion, it really was not only a rip off of The Legend of Zorro (as well as Lady Rawhide), but it was marketed by the producers as such. We believe that their marketing campaign was the smoking gun. In the end, Paramount, Sony and Zorro Productions entered into a settlement that we regarded as fair and favorable, though the details must remain confidential. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.87.223.190 (talk) 21:42, 3 September 2014 (UTC)

No, that is original conclusion on your own of the legal situation to try to advance your own specific legal claim: to claim ownership over an intellectual property. What you consider to be the proper way for Misplaced Pages to handle this situation is obviously biased. Your editing of the article is a clear violation of WP:COI rules. DreamGuy (talk) 23:18, 4 September 2014 (UTC)

And, for the record, I am not editing the article because I "enjoyed Queen of Swords", I am editing it because I don't like when people with a bias put misleading or downright false information into an article, especially when they hope to profit financially off of it. I don't think I even ever saw anything of Queen of Swords except some TV commercials many years back. DreamGuy (talk) 23:51, 4 September 2014 (UTC)

Per request, we have now footnoted the appropriate court document vacating (i.e., rendering null and void) the Queen of Swords ruling. Because Judge Collins’ ruling is null and void, it is a non-fact, and really has no place on Misplaced Pages. May we remove it? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.87.223.190 (talk) 21:58, 16 September 2014 (UTC)

It's like you didn't even read anything I said. DreamGuy (talk) 00:37, 21 September 2014 (UTC)

You have, once again, removed our properly cited and accurate statement that the Sony v. Fireworks judgment was vacated. Your removal is misguided for two reasons: 1) As required by yourself and Revupminster, ZPI cited the court order from that legal action which states, unequivocally and without any subjective interpretation, that the court’s order has been vacated. There can be no clearer or objective evidence offered. This is legal fact, not interpretation. Maybe you privately disagree with the court, but that is your opinion and you should keep it off the pages of Misplaced Pages. Sometimes, I disagree with legal results. For example, I don’t believe that OJ Simpson should have been acquitted of murder. But he was and that is the simple Misplaced Pages-worthy fact. No legal practitioner would or could interpret the courts order to vacate to have any other possible meaning than that the original ruling was voided. If you feel that it means something else, cite your source. 2) Zorro Productions has dealt on this issue in an honest, transparent manner. We could have easily gone into the Misplaced Pages system as a third party in order to avoid the very claim that you hide behind – that as a company asserting copyright rights we must be considered biased and our veracity suspect. We at Zorro Production exercise the highest of business ethics and for that very reason declined to hide our identity.

We hope that you understand why your position is erroneous and that you will stop removing our insertion that we will now reinsert. If you do not, we will seek third party mediation. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.87.223.190 (talk) 17:30, 23 September 2014 (UTC)

Here we go again. The vacated judgment in that one particular case doesn't change the fact that Zorro is clearly and undeniably in the public domain by publication date alone, and the knowledge the judge shared based upon that fact are still valid even if you settled out of court to avoid the judge's ruling. Editing the article to make the results of this case sound like something published in 1919 is still under copyright is outright deceptive, and you are clearly doing it to try to trick the world into believing you own something you don't so you can make money off of it. I don't know how you can claim to "exercise the highest of business ethics" when your entire business model is based upon fraud. DreamGuy (talk) 16:13, 5 October 2014 (UTC)

Find a Grave

I noticed your edit here and the edit summary. I'm just wondering what it is about Find a Grave that violates WP:EL? (This is a good faith question). Thanks! Kindzmarauli (talk) 19:05, 27 October 2014 (UTC)

It's edited by the public in general and does not necessarily contain authoritative information. It's just some one on the Internet, essentially. See points 11 and 12 in links to be avoided. As we are supposed to link to good sources of information instead of merely providing a web directory of random links, it doesn't meet our standards. It was also mass spammed to this encyclopedia in the past and really should not be included anywhere. DreamGuy (talk) 03:33, 30 October 2014 (UTC)

I actually had the same question about Barbara Nichols. Given that this link is so commonplace, shouldn't this be adjudicated somewhere, perhaps wherever it is that spam links are blacklisted? Coretheapple (talk) 20:36, 1 February 2015 (UTC)

DreamGuy - It seems you could be mischaracterizing WP:EL regarding FindAGrave since Perennial websites:FindAGrave states:

• As an external link: * Rarely. Sometimes, a link is acceptable because of a specific, unique feature or information that is not available elsewhere, such as valuable images and location information of graves.

The FindAGrave link in this car is not situated within the article and conveys information - photo of gravemarkers, GPS of grave location and so on - that are not included within the article itself. If you think that FindAGrave links should not be allowed within WIkipedia's content then an WP:RFC should be opened in the appropriate venue. Shearonink (talk) 21:33, 1 February 2015 (UTC)

FindAGrave links can exist - but mainly just on the article about FindAGrave. They absolutely cannot be used as reliable sources and almost never as external links. DreamGuy (talk) 00:14, 3 February 2015 (UTC)

Global account

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examiner.com

Hi. I am thinking of reopening the question of whether examiner.com should be blacklisted. The reason is that I think it's just another unreliable source. Nothing will ever stop editors from adding unreliable sources to WP, and the blacklist hasn't stopped them from adding examiner.com – they simply list the article title and omit the URL. Which is a pain in the neck for conscientious AfD participants, because it forces us to search for the article title and read it from Google. It would be much easier if we could just click a link in the WP article that is up for AfD. And then deal with it the same way as say blogs, gawker, and other non-blacklisted unreliable sources.

What I am wondering about is this post from May 2009, where you reported seeing links to pages on examiner.com as if they were published stories from the San Francisco Examiner. This seems to be the source for one long-standing argument for keeping it blacklisted – that it masquerades as the San Francisco Examiner. But actual examples of this happening have never been provided. If you went back through your editing history for May 2009, do you think you could remember the articles where that happened? I would like to find out whether there was a pattern to this, or whether (as I suspect) it was simply a mistake by an inexperienced editor. Thanks. – Margin1522 (talk) 03:29, 21 January 2015 (UTC)

2009? These days I'm lucky if I remember 2014. I don't know when I'd get a chance to go digging back that far, and I think it's better off remaining blacklisted to prevent mass spamming of links again. People who list examiner.com articles at AFD seem like they would obviously be providing weak evidence of notability and would seem to be easy to see through. Any small convenience to people checking these sources in AFD does not make up for the chaos that would reign if people were able to link to their own blog posts to make money. DreamGuy (talk) 00:45, 22 January 2015 (UTC)

OK, you have more experience in clean-up work than I do. I do think that examiner.com may be stepping in to fill the gap caused by the crisis in local news. A lot of local newspapers are gone, and even if they are surviving they have downsized to the point where they don't have an art critic anymore. It's been a while and I think that could be revisited. I am also wondering if there was ever any evidence of link spamming actually happening. The potential is there, of course, but to a certain extent all online journalists are under pressure to bring in page views. I don't think we should blacklist because of the potential for abuse. We should blacklist when we have proof that abuse has happened. – Margin1522 (talk) 06:57, 22 January 2015 (UTC)

I really get what you're about!!

Hey DreamGuy, I can really get the message of your struggle. People like you make Misplaced Pages the World's best research source. Would you mind me reposting 'The eternal struggle'?? If not, let me know. :) Hridith Sudev Nambiar (talk) 17:50, 4 February 2015 (UTC)

Feel free. DreamGuy (talk) 18:55, 8 February 2015 (UTC)

Q

Hi, just a quick question: having seen it in a lot of external links-sections, what's wrong with findagrave.com? Thanks, regards, --Gott (talk) 20:35, 10 August 2015 (UTC)

I just found the answer myself. Sry, --Gott (talk) 20:37, 10 August 2015 (UTC)

Citation concerns

They reference a PDF file, which is the book itself. The book in this file is in public domain and does not contain any identification number. I am in no way affiliated with this website, only used this as a source for research purposes as it is an easy source to verify the references directly without actually needing to go and purchase a separate book for verification purposes. I specifically referenced quotes and page numbers in the document because I read the book myself. I also have not contributed any other cites to any other books from this website, nor do I plan to, unless I happen to find a source that is also easily referenced. BrettWarr1 (talk) 10:09, 10 November 2015 (UTC)

Edit,

Wouldn't referencing Project Gutenberg also be promotion if all documents are "required" to be referenced from their cite? Seems a little hypocritical. 'Planetebook' is a free online source of online e-books that does not ask for donations. Project Gutenberg does. BrettWarr1 (talk) 10:25, 10 November 2015 (UTC)

So cite the original, not the spam link. 01:59, 11 November 2015 (UTC)

Marvel Comics image

Hi, DreamGuy. You reverted my edit at Marvel Comics and you said "Can't understand rationale for not applying Fair Use here- would apply to nearly all images." Please consult the links in my edit summary to find out what a use rationale means in this context, and if you think all the NFC can be met, write one. Only then it is permissible to restore the image. Finnusertop (talk | guestbook | contribs) 01:49, 11 November 2015 (UTC)

Are you a bot? Because the image file already has fair use rationale in it AND is OBVIOUS. 01:55, 11 November 2015 (UTC)

I'm not a bot. The image File:Secretwars1.png has on its description page a fair use rationale for the article Secret Wars only, not for article Marvel Comics. Each use must be accompanied by a separate rationale. Even 'obvious' rationales must be spelled out on the image description page. Please don't revert the edits until valid rationales (if applicable) are on the image description pages. Finnusertop (talk | guestbook | contribs) 02:01, 11 November 2015 (UTC)

You should stop until you get it. The image ALREADY HAS fair use rationale for all three articles. And I repeat: the fair use is obvious if you'd take half a second to think about it. That makes your edits worse than a bot, especially with you trying to pretend like you're following rules. DreamGuy (talk) 02:06, 11 November 2015 (UTC)

The policy calls for separate rationales for each use. Naming the articles is not enough. I've split the rationale into three. Thanks. Finnusertop (talk | guestbook | contribs) 02:16, 11 November 2015 (UTC)

Fair use has a specific meaning in the real world. You'd be better served adding the text to fit the policy for all the images, where possible, than deleting stuff willy-nilly. DreamGuy (talk) 02:20, 11 November 2015 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages's image use policy is stricter than fair use is legally. Writing detailed rationales is a part of that. You are absolutely correct in that Misplaced Pages would be better if people (including me) would provide those rationales instead of removing images. Unfortunately, I don't have time for that. If someone wants to use an image in an article, it's their burden of proof to provide the rationale (see WP:NFCCE). Finnusertop (talk | guestbook | contribs) 02:32, 11 November 2015 (UTC)

Talkback

Request to revisit the discussion per sources presented there. I pinged users there, but the ping may not have worked (per a comment at the discussion). North America 08:16, 6 December 2015 (UTC)

Already closed as Keep before I saw that. DreamGuy (talk) 14:18, 6 December 2015 (UTC)

Colorado Springs shooting

Where was there an RfC? I see a RM discussion ("Requested move 29 November 2015") that's still open and has plenty of opposition. – Muboshgu (talk) 21:48, 6 December 2015 (UTC)

Some opposition, but it says seven days right on it, and now it's over. The consensus is to move it. And not to do other things extremists want to do. DreamGuy (talk) 00:56, 7 December 2015 (UTC)

When I saw it, it was still open. Nobody had closed it or determined what the consensus was. – Muboshgu (talk) 02:56, 7 December 2015 (UTC)

The people participating even said what the consensus was and waited a few hour for the official time stamp. Guess you didn't see that. DreamGuy (talk) 03:33, 7 December 2015 (UTC)

Post card images of Perth, Western Australia

Please give a good explanation in your edit summaries. They are in most cases not needed, as there are already images that are contemporaneous with the post card images. Not Gallery and a few other issues also. And if you are going to leave the sort of edit summaries that you have - look at https://en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/Incidents#Tucks_Post_Card_Edits at least. The images are not necessarily of any benefit to most of the articles JarrahTree 03:20, 7 December 2015 (UTC)

Disagree. And I saw it on an admin board. Did you see the same board? The actions taken by the person who removed them were massive overreach. DreamGuy (talk) 03:32, 7 December 2015 (UTC)

Matter of opinion, it started at arbcom and went on from there, that in itself suggests that there are many newbies that need not just kid gloves, but very clear understanding of how to work things out, I differ with the closing at the noticeboard, the reaction of the uploader clearly showed total lack of attempt at mediation or direct communication with the other person...that could have solved a lot of things. JarrahTree 03:39, 7 December 2015 (UTC)

OK lets try an example of how things can be interpreted - this new user https://en.wikipedia.org/Special:Contributions/Cenfin8 was posting agt the rate of 3 edits a minute early this am. Australian rail edits are notorious sites for sock accounts. So fully formed articles with refs and legitimate subjects arrive on the watchlist after a flurry. Some very telling spelling problems, and also a few oher tell-tale signature issues for a known sock in the edit summary. What to do? advise the editor it all looks strange? accuse of sock activity? I wonder. JarrahTree 03:46, 7 December 2015 (UTC)

The images look fine to me. That's what we're talking about, right? You're talking about text edits by a different user above, and the ones I looked at looked fine too. Is this some sort of conspiracy? Because one of these accounts has to do something bad before you assume they're up to no good. DreamGuy (talk) 04:05, 7 December 2015 (UTC)

OK, so you're looking at the images, I am looking at the process - we are on two very different things. A new user with no apparent on wiki history does certain things. We have very clear guidelines of WP:AGF abd WP:DONTBITE. However I find dumping new material at relative speed nothing to do with conspiracy or assumptions. It is something that requires a certain level of skepticism I would say, where AGF and DONTBITE are trumped by the duck test for possible issues. If you think it is ok for a totally new user can dump at 3 edits a minute is ok then we are very definitely on different pages, nice talking with you - cheers JarrahTree 07:39, 7 December 2015 (UTC)

Images are the process, in this case. You've got some whole other scenario thought up. I can't address that. It's even a different user. I am a firm believer in the duck test, but, again, that means someone did something wrong, which I don't see, and you've never given evidence of. DreamGuy (talk) 23:57, 7 December 2015 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of File:Robert Dear in a mugshot.jpg ‎

You removed the deletion notice but you still haven't produced any evidence that this image is in the public domain. Jonathunder (talk) 02:32, 8 December 2015 (UTC)

No one has said it wasn't. Mugshots default to PD. Even if not it's clearly PD, and even the person who put the notice there had originally said that, so the deletion is false. DreamGuy (talk) 02:35, 8 December 2015 (UTC)

I am saying the file is not public domain. Please prove me wrong, if you can. Jonathunder (talk) 02:40, 8 December 2015 (UTC)

So you want to prove your assertion? I've been pretty clear all over Misplaced Pages. Choosing not believe something is not the same thing as proving them wrong. I've said a lot more than you, and you just say then "prove me wrong". Already did. DreamGuy (talk) 02:49, 8 December 2015 (UTC)

Ok, fine. But despite your handwaving, it looks like the file is headed for deletion. Jonathunder (talk) 15:50, 8 December 2015 (UTC)

Possibly unfree File:Robert Dear in a mugshot.jpg

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Surprise. surprise. The editor who deleted it off Commons is trying to do the same here.DreamGuy (talk) 02:50, 8 December 2015 (UTC)

If it is deleted, shall you contact an administrator who will delete it? --George Ho (talk) 19:46, 8 December 2015 (UTC)

It is now kept as fair-use image. Don't try to violate consensus. --George Ho (talk) 21:39, 24 December 2015 (UTC)

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• Op-ed: Hard work needed to address Wikimedia’s leadership challenges

• Discussion report: Is an interim WMF executive director inherently notable?

• Featured content: This week's featured content

• Technology report: Watchlists, watchlists, watchlists!

• Traffic report: Donald Trump, the 45th President of the United States

• Misplaced Pages Weekly: Podcast #119: The Foundation and the departure of Lila Tretikov

• Blog: It “revolutionized the way German-speaking people inform themselves about the world”: Fifteen years of the German Misplaced Pages

Johnny Garrett

Johnny Garrett may need to be re-evaluated. In South by Southwest they released a movie loosely based on the case The Last Word of Johnny Frank Garrett http://schedule.sxsw.com/2016/events/event_FS19784 and there had been previously a documentary and a fictional novel based on his case http://www.thelastworddocumentary.com/nl.php WhisperToMe (talk) 04:59, 21 March 2016 (UTC)

The Signpost: 23 March 2016

• Interview: Exclusive: interview with interim ED Katherine Maher

• News and notes: Lila Tretikov a Young Global Leader; Wikipediocracy blog post sparks indefinite blocks

• In the media: Angolan file sharers cause trouble for Misplaced Pages Zero; the 3D printer edit war; a culture based on change and turmoil

• Traffic report: Be weary on the Ides of March

• Editorial: "God damn it, you've got to be kind."

• Featured content: Watch out! A slave trader, a live mascot and a crested serpent awaits!

• Arbitration report: Palestine-Israel article 3 case amended

• Misplaced Pages Weekly: Podcast #120: Status of Wikimania 2016

The Signpost: 1 April 2016

• News and notes: Trump/Wales 2016

• In the media: Saskatoon police delete Misplaced Pages content about police brutality

• WikiProject report: Why should the Devil have all the good music? An interview with WikiProject Christian music

• Traffic report: Donald v Daredevil

• Featured content: A slow, slow week

• Technology report: Browse Misplaced Pages in safety? Use Telnet!

• Recent research: "Employing Misplaced Pages for good not evil" in education; using eyetracking to find out how readers read articles

• Misplaced Pages Weekly: Podcast #121: How April Fools went down

• Blog: Growing hashtags: Expanding outreach on Misplaced Pages

The Signpost: 14 April 2016

• Op-ed: Should prison inmates be permitted to edit Misplaced Pages?

• News and notes: Denny Vrandečić resigns from Wikimedia Foundation board

• In the media: Wikimedia Sweden loses copyright case; Tex Watson; AI assistants; David Jolly biography

• Featured content: This week's featured content

• Traffic report: A welcome return to pop culture and death

• Arbitration report: The first case of 2016—Wikicology

• Gallery: A history lesson

The Signpost: 24 April 2016

• News and notes: Lunar project; steering group formed to search for next executive director

• Op-ed: Knowledge Engine and the Wales–Heilman emails

• Special report: Update on EranBot, our new copyright violation detection bot

• Traffic report: Two for the price of one

• Featured content: The double-sized edition

• Arbitration report: Amendments made to the Race and intelligence case

The Signpost: 2 May 2016

• News and notes: Wikimedia Switzerland's board and paid-editing firm; passing of Ed Dravecky

• In the media: Misplaced Pages Zero piracy in Bangladesh; bureaucracy; chilling effects; too few cooks; translation gaps

• Traffic report: Purple

• Featured content: The best ... from the past two weeks

• Arbitration report: Two editors unbanned; Wikicology case enters workshop phase; Gamaliel restricted from Gamergate at his own request

• Recent research: The eight roles of Wikipedians; do edit histories expose social relations among editors?

The Signpost: 17 May 2016

• News and notes: Affiliates' nomination of WMF trustees announced; FDC's straight talking to WMF

• Op-ed: Swiss chapter in turmoil

• In the media: Wikimedia's Dario Taraborelli quoted on Google's Knowledge Graph in The Washington Post

• Featured content: Two weeks for the prize of one

• Traffic report: Oh behave, Beyhive / Underdogs

• Arbitration report: "Wikicology" ends in site ban; evidence and workshop phases concluded for "Gamaliel and others"

• Wikicup: That's it for WikiCup Round 2!

The Signpost: 28 May 2016

• News and notes: Upcoming Wikimedia conferences in the US and India; May Metrics and Activities Meeting

• Special report: Compensation paid to Sue Gardner increased by almost 50 percent after she stepped down as executive director

• In the media: The perils of Misplaced Pages's monopoly; Wikipedians' fragility; Street Sharks hoax

• Featured content: Eight articles, three lists and five pictures

• Op-ed: Journey of a Wikipedian

• Arbitration report: Gamaliel resigns from the arbitration committee

• Recent research: English as Misplaced Pages's Lingua Franca; deletion rationales; schizophrenia controversies

• Traffic report: Splitting (musical) airs / Slow Ride

• Blog: Freely licensed magic at Eurovision

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The Signpost: 05 June 2016

• News and notes: WMF cuts budget for 2016-17 as scope tightens

• In the media: Jimmy Wales on net neutrality—"It's complicated"—and his $100m fundraising challenge

• Featured content: Overwhelmed ... by pictures

• Traffic report: Pop goes the culture, again.

• Arbitration report: ArbCom case "Gamaliel and others" concludes

• WikiProject report: WikiProject Video Games

The Signpost: 15 June 2016

• News and notes: Clarifications on status and compensation of outgoing executive directors Sue Gardner and Lila Tretikov

• Special report: Wikiversity Journal—A new user group

• Featured content: From the crème de la crème

• In the media: Biography disputes; Craig Newmark donation; PR editing

• Op-ed: Commons Picture of the Year; Wikidata licensing

• Traffic report: Another one with sports; Knockout, brief candle

• Blog: Why I proofread poetry at Wikisource

The Signpost: 04 July 2016

• News and notes: Board unanimously appoints Katherine Maher as new WMF executive director; Wikimedia lawsuits in France and Germany

• Op-ed: Two policies in conflict?

• In the media: Terrorism database cites Misplaced Pages as a source

• Featured content: Triple fun of featured content

• Traffic report: Goalposts; Oy vexit

• Blog: Jimmy Wales names Emily Temple-Wood and Rosie Stephenson-Goodknight as Wikipedians of the Year

The Signpost: 21 July 2016

• News and notes: Board faces diversity and skill-base issues in new FDC appointments

• Discussion report: Busy month for discussions

• In the media: Women in science editathon gets national press; Misplaced Pages "shockingly biased"

• Featured content: A wide variety from the best

• Traffic report: Sports and esports

• Arbitration report: Script writers appointed for clerks

• Recent research: Using deep learning to predict article quality

The Signpost: 04 August 2016

• Editorial: Misplaced Pages policy suppresses sharing of information

• News and notes: Foundation presents results of harassment research, plans for automated identification; Wikiconference submissions open

• In the media: Paid editing service announced; Commercial exploitation of free images; Misplaced Pages as a crystal ball; Librarians to counter systemic bias

• Obituary: Kevin Gorman, who took on Misplaced Pages's gender gap and undisclosed paid advocacy, dies at 24

• Traffic report: Summer of Pokémon, Trump, and Hillary

• Featured content: Women and Hawaii

• Recent research: Easier navigation via better wikilinks

• Blog: All-new notifications page helps Wikimedians focus on what matters most

• Technology report: User script report (January to July 2016, part 1)

The Signpost: 18 August 2016

• News and notes: Focus on India—WikiConference produces new apps; state government adopts free licenses

• Special report: Engaging diverse communities to profile women of Antarctica

• In the media: The ugly, the bad, the playful, and the promising

• Featured content: Simply the best ... from the last two weeks

• Traffic report: Olympic views

• Technology report: User script report (January–July 2016, part 2)

• Arbitration report: The Michael Hardy case

The Signpost: 06 September 2016

• News and notes: AffCom still grappling with WMF Board's criteria for new chapters

• Special report: Olympics readership depended on language

• In the media: Librarians, Wikipedians, and a library of Misplaced Pages coverage

• WikiProject report: Watching Misplaced Pages

• Featured content: Entertainment, sport, and something else in-between

• Traffic report: From Phelps to Bolt to Reddit

• Technology report: Wikimedia mobile sites now don't load images if the user doesn't see them

• Recent research: Ethics of machine-created articles and fighting vandalism

• Blog: Upload of free photos from Swiss library underway

The Signpost: 29 September 2016

• News and notes: Misplaced Pages Education Program case study published; and a longtime Wikimedian has made his final edit

• In the media: Misplaced Pages in the news

• Featured content: Three weeks in the land of featured content

• Arbitration report: Arbcom looking for new checkusers and oversight appointees while another case opens

• Traffic report: From Gene Wilder to JonBenét

• Technology report: Category sorting and template parameters

The Signpost: 14 October 2016

• News and notes: Fundraising, flora and fauna

• Discussion report: Cultivating leadership: Wikimedia Foundation seeks input

• In the media: A news columnist on the frustrations of tweaking his Misplaced Pages bio

• Technology report: Upcoming tech projects for 2017

• Featured content: Variety is the spice of life

• Traffic report: Debates and escapes

• Recent research: A 2011 study resurfaces in a media report

The Signpost: 4 November 2016

• News and notes: Finally, a new CTO; trustee joins Quora; copyright upgrade impending

• In the media: Washington Post continues in-depth Misplaced Pages coverage

• Wikicup: WikiCup winners

• Discussion report: What's on your tech wishlist for the coming year?

• Technology report: New guideline for technical collaboration; citation templates now flag open access content

• Featured content: Cream of the crop

• Traffic report: Un-presidential politics

• Arbitration report: Recapping October's activities

• Recent research: Why women edit less, and where they are overrepresented; article importance and quality; predicting elections from Misplaced Pages

ArbCom Elections 2016: Voting now open!

Hello, DreamGuy. Voting in the 2016 Arbitration Committee elections is open from Monday, 00:00, 21 November through Sunday, 23:59, 4 December to all unblocked users who have registered an account before Wednesday, 00:00, 28 October 2016 and have made at least 150 mainspace edits before Sunday, 00:00, 1 November 2016.

The Arbitration Committee is the panel of editors responsible for conducting the Misplaced Pages arbitration process. It has the authority to impose binding solutions to disputes between editors, primarily for serious conduct disputes the community has been unable to resolve. This includes the authority to impose site bans, topic bans, editing restrictions, and other measures needed to maintain our editing environment. The arbitration policy describes the Committee's roles and responsibilities in greater detail.

If you wish to participate in the 2016 election, please review the candidates' statements and submit your choices on the voting page. Mdann52 (talk) 22:08, 21 November 2016 (UTC)

The Signpost: 4 November 2016

• News and notes: Arbitration Committee elections commence

• In the media: Roundup of news related to U.S. presidential election and more

• Blog: The top fifteen winning photos from Wiki Loves Earth

• Gallery: Around the world with Wiki Loves Monuments 2016

• Featured content: Featured mix

• Special report: Taking stock of the Good Article backlog

• Op-ed: Fundraising data should be more transparent

• Traffic report: President-elect Trump

The Signpost: 22 December 2016

• Year in review: Looking back on 2016

• News and notes: Strategic planning update; English ArbCom election results

• Special report: German ArbCom implodes

• In focus: Active user page filter prevents vandalism and harassment

• Op-ed: Operation successful, patient dead: Outreach workshops in Namibia

• In the media: In brief: Coverage of gender gap initiatives, banner fundraising, and more

• Featured content: The Christmas edition

• Technology report: Labs improvements impact 2016 Tool Labs survey results

• Traffic report: Post-election traffic blues

• Blog: Wiki Loves Monuments contest winners announced

• Recent research: One study and several abstracts

The Signpost: 17 January 2017

• From the editor: Next steps for the Signpost

• News and notes: Surge in RFA promotions—a sign of lasting change?

• Interview: What is it like to edit Misplaced Pages when you're blind?

• In the media: Year-end roundups, Misplaced Pages's 16th birthday, and more

• Featured content: One year ends, and another begins

• Arbitration report: Concluding 2016 and covering 2017's first two cases

• Traffic report: Out with the old, in with the new

• Technology report: Tech present, past, and future

• Recent research: Female Wikipedians aren't more likely to edit women biographies; Black Lives Matter in Misplaced Pages

Nomination of Deltopia for deletion

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The Signpost: 6 February 2017

• Arbitration report: WMF Legal and ArbCom weigh in on tension between disclosure requirements and user privacy

• Special report: Wolves nip at Misplaced Pages's heels: A perspective on the cost of paid editing

• News and notes: Official WMF rebuke to Trump policy; WMF secures restricted funds

• In focus: WMF strategy consultant brings background in crisis reputation management; Team behind popular WMF software put "on pause"

• WikiProject report: For the birds!

• Op-ed: How to make editing workshops useful, even if participants don't stick around

• In the media: Presidential politics, periodic table, and our periodic roundup of updates

• Technology report: Better PDFs, backup plans, and birthday wishes

• Traffic report: Cool It Now

• Featured content: Three weeks dominated by articles

• Forum: Productive collaboration around coordinated protest marches; Media and political personalities comment on Misplaced Pages at its 16th birthday celebration

The Signpost: 27 February 2017

• From the editors: Results from our poll on subscription and delivery, and a new RSS feed

• Recent research: Special issue: Misplaced Pages in education

• Technology report: Responsive content on desktop; Offline content in Android app

• In the media: The Daily Mail does not run Misplaced Pages

• Gallery: A Met montage

• Special report: Peer review – a history and call for reviewers

• Op-ed: Misplaced Pages has cancer

• Featured content: The dominance of articles continues

• Traffic report: Love, football, and politics

• Blog: WikiIndaba 2017: A continent gathers to chart a path forward

The Signpost: 9 June 2017

• From the editors: Signpost status: On reserve power, help wanted!

• News and notes: Global Elections

• Arbitration report: Cases closed in the Pacific and with Magioladitis

• Op-ed: Misplaced Pages's lead sentence problem

• Featured content: Three months in the land of the featured

• In the media: Did Misplaced Pages just assume Garfield's gender?

• Recent research: Misplaced Pages bot wars capture the imagination of the popular press

• Technology report: Tech news catch-up

• Traffic report: Film on Top: Sampling the weekly top 10

The Signpost: 23 June 2017

• News and notes: Departments reorganized at Wikimedia Foundation, and a month without new RfAs (so far)

• In the media: Kalanick's nipples; Episode #138 of Drama on the Hill

• Op-ed: Facto Post: a fresh take

• Featured content: Will there ever be a break? The slew of featured content continues

• Traffic report: Wonder Woman beats Batman, The Mummy, Darth Vader and the Earth

• Recent research: Utopian bubbles: Can Wikipedians create value outside of the capitalist system?

• Technology report: Improved search, and WMF data scientist tells all

The Signpost: 15 July 2017

• News and notes: French chapter woes, new affiliates and more WMF team changes

• Featured content: Spectacular animals, Pine Trees screens, and more

• In the media: Concern about access and fairness, Foundation expenditures, and relationship to real-world politics and commerce

• Recent research: The chilling effect of surveillance on Misplaced Pages readers

• Op-ed: Why Task Forces are Dying in 2017

• Gallery: A mix of patterns

• Humour: The Infobox Game

• Traffic report: Film, television and Internet phenomena reign with some room left over for America's birthday

• Technology report: New features in development; more breaking changes for scripts

• Wikicup: 2017 WikiCup round 3 wrap-up

The Signpost: 5 August 2017

• News and notes: Non-English special edition! 99% no news about English-based wiki communities!

• Recent research: Misplaced Pages can increase local tourism by +9%; predicting article quality with deep learning; recent behavior predicts quality

• WikiProject report: Comic relief

• In the media: Misplaced Pages used to judge death penalty, arms smuggling, Indonesian governance, and HOTTEST celebrity

• Traffic report: Swedish countess tops the list

• Blog: Canadian Supreme Court rules against Google in favor of worldwide court orders

• Special report: Sharing Misplaced Pages offline medical information in the Dominican Republic

• Featured content: Everywhere in the lead

• Technology report: Introducing TechCom

• Humour: WWASOHs and ETCSSs

The Signpost: 6 September 2017

• From the editors: What happened at Wikimania?

• News and notes: Basselpedia; WMF Board of Trustees appointments

• Featured content: Warfighters and their tools or trees and butterflies

• Traffic report: A fortnight of conflicts

• Special report: Biomedical content, and some thoughts on its future

• Recent research: Discussion summarization; Twitter bots tracking government edits; extracting trivia from Misplaced Pages

• In the media: Google's Ideological Echo Chamber; What makes someone successful?

• WikiProject report: WikiProject YouTube

• Technology report: Latest tech news

• Wikicup: 2017 WikiCup round 4 wrap-up

• Humour: Bots

The Signpost: 25 September 2017

• News and notes: Chapter updates; ACTRIAL

• In the media: Monkey settlement; Misplaced Pages used to give AI context clues

• Humour: Chickenz

• Recent research: Misplaced Pages articles vs. concepts; Misplaced Pages usage in Europe

• Technology report: Flow restarted; Wikidata connection notifications

• Gallery: Chicken mania

• Special report: Two steps forward, one step backward: The Sustainability Initiative

• Traffic report: Fights and frights

• Featured content: Flying high

The Signpost: 23 October 2017

• News and notes: Money! WMF fundraising, Wikimedia strategy, WMF new office!

• Featured content: Don, Marcel, Emily, Jessica and other notables

• Humour: Guys named Ralph

• In focus: Offline Misplaced Pages developed at OFF.NETWORK Content Hackathon

• Blog: The future of offline access to Misplaced Pages: The Kiwix example

• In the media: Facebook and poetry

• Special report: Working with GLAMs in the UK

• Traffic report: Death, disaster, and entertainment

The Signpost: 24 November 2017

• News and notes: Cons, cons, cons

• Arbitration report: Administrator desysoped; How to deal with crosswiki issues; Mister Wiki case likely

• Technology report: Searching and surveying

• Interview: A featured article centurion

• WikiProject report: Recommendations for WikiProjects

• In the media: Open knowledge platform as a media institution

• Traffic report: Strange and inappropriate

• Featured content: We will remember them

• Recent research: Who wrote this? New dataset on the provenance of Misplaced Pages text

• Humour: Good faith (but still incomprehensible)

The Signpost: 18 December 2017

• Special report: Women in Red World Contest wrap-up

• Blog: Close encounters of the Misplaced Pages kind

• Featured content: Featured content to finish 2017

• In the media: Stolen seagulls, public domain primates and more

• Arbitration report: Last case of 2017: Mister Wiki editors

• Gallery: Wiki loving

• Interview: Interview with Charlesjsharp, regular contributor of Misplaced Pages's Featured Pictures

• Recent research: French medical articles have "high rate of veracity"

• Technology report: Your wish lists and more Wikimedia tech

• Traffic report: Notable heroes and bad guys

• Humour: On their way to the WMF Incubator

The Signpost: 16 January 2018

• News and notes: Communication is key

• In the media: The Paris Review, British Crown and British Media

• Featured content: History, gaming and multifarious topics

• Interview: Interview with Ser Amantio di Nicolao, the top contributor to English Misplaced Pages by edit count

• Technology report: Dedicated Wikidata database servers

• Humour: Why don't we have an article about _________?

• Arbitration report: Mister Wiki is first arbitration committee decision of 2018

• Traffic report: The best and worst of 2017

The Signpost: 5 February 2018

• Op-ed: Do editors have the right to be forgotten?

• Featured content: Wars, sieges, disasters and everything black possible

• Recent research: Automated Q&A from Misplaced Pages articles; Who succeeds in talk page discussions?

• Blog: New monthly dataset shows where people fall into Misplaced Pages rabbit holes

• Interview: Interview with The Rambling Man, Misplaced Pages's top contributor of Featured Lists

• Traffic report: TV, death, sports, and doodles

• Special report: Cochrane–Misplaced Pages Initiative

• Arbitration report: New cases requested for inter-editor hostility and other collaboration issues

• In the media: Solving crime; editing out violence allegations

• Humour: You really are in Wonderland

The Signpost: 20 February 2018

• News and notes: The future is Swedish with a lack of administrators

• Recent research: Politically diverse editors write better articles; Reddit and Stack Overflow benefit from Misplaced Pages but don't give back

• Arbitration report: Arbitration committee prepares to examine two new cases

• Traffic report: Addicted to sports and pain

• Featured content: Entertainment, sports and history

• Technology report: Paragraph-based edit conflict screen; broken thanks

• Humour: Impossible and unexplained traffic report

Signpost issue 4 – 29 March 2018

• Op-ed: Death knell for The Signpost?

• News and notes: Wiki Conference roundup and new appointments.

• Arbitration report: Ironing out issues in infoboxes; not sure yet about New Jersey; and an administrator who probably wasn't uncivil to a sockpuppet.

• In the media: The media on Misplaced Pages's workings: the good and not-so-good

• Traffic report: Real sports, real women and an imaginary country: what's on top for Misplaced Pages readers

• Featured content: Animals, Ships, and Songs

• Technology report: Timeless skin review by Force Radical.

• Special report: ACTRIAL wrap-up.

• Humour: WikiWorld Reruns

The Signpost: 26 April 2018

• From the editors: The Signpost's presses roll again

• Signpost: Future directions for The Signpost

• News and notes: Photo of Kim Jong-un. Stephen Hawking death tops hits on many Wikipedias.

• In the media: The rise of Misplaced Pages as a disinformation mop

• In focus: Admin reports board under criticism

• Special report: ACTRIAL results adopted by landslide

• Opinion: Guideline for Organization Notability revised

• Op-ed: World War II Myth-making and Misplaced Pages

• Community view: It's time we look past Women in Red to counter systemic bias

• Discussion report: The future of portals

• Arbitration report: No new cases, and one motion on administrative misconduct

• WikiProject report: WikiProject Military History

• Blog: Why the world reads Misplaced Pages

• Humour: Our Favorite Places to Whine About Stuff

• Traffic report: A quiet place to wrestle with the articles of March

• Technology report: Coming soon: Books-to-PDF, interactive maps, rollback confirmation

• Featured content: Featured content selected by the community

• Gallery: A look at some famous and not as well-known border tripoints

The Signpost: 24 May 2018

• From the editor: Another issue meets the deadline

• Op-ed: Has the wind gone out of the AdminShip's sails?

• Opinion: Integrating my many lives on Misplaced Pages

• WikiProject report: WikiProject Portals

• Discussion report: User rights, infoboxes, and more discussion on portals

• Featured content: Featured content selected by the community

• Arbitration report: Managing difficult topics

• News and notes: Lots of Wikimedia

• In the media: Misplaced Pages in Turkish politics; COI politics in Misplaced Pages; most cited work

• Traffic report: We love our superheroes

• Technology report: A trove of contributor and developer goodies

• Blog: Why I write about women on Misplaced Pages

• Recent research: Why people don't contribute to Misplaced Pages; using Misplaced Pages to teach statistics, technical writing, and controversial issues

• Humour: Play with your food

• Gallery: Wine not?

• From the archives: The Signpost scoops The Signpost

The Signpost: 29 June 2018

• From the editor: The Admin Ship is still barely afloat, while a Foundation project risks sinking

• Special report: NPR and AfC – The Marshall Plan: an engagement and a marriage?

• Op-ed: What do admins do?

• Opinion: Google isn't responsible for Misplaced Pages's mistakes

• News and notes: Money, milestones, and Wikimania

• In the media: Much wikilove from the Mayor of London, less from Paekākāriki or a certain candidate for U.S. Congress

• Discussion report: Deletion, page moves, and an update to the main page

• Featured content: New promotions

• Arbitration report: WWII, UK politics, and a user deCrat'ed

• Traffic report: Endgame

• Technology report: Improvements piled on more improvements

• Gallery: Wiki Loves Africa

• Blog: Misplaced Pages should be open for editors in Turkey

• Recent research: How censorship can backfire and conversations can go awry

• Humour: Television plot lines

• Misplaced Pages essays: This month's pick by The Signpost editors

• From the archives: Wolves nip at Misplaced Pages's heels: A perspective on the cost of paid editing

The Signpost: 31 July 2018

• From the editor: If only if

• Op-ed: The last leg of the Admin Ship's current cruise

• Opinion: Wrestling with Misplaced Pages reality

• News and notes: Another newspaper for Misplaced Pages; Wikimania 2018 ends; changes at NPR

• In the media: Blackouts in Europe; Misplaced Pages and capitalists; WMF Jet Set

• Discussion report: Wikipedias take action against EU copyright proposal, plus new user right proposals

• Featured content: Misplaced Pages's best content in images and prose

• Arbitration report: Status quo processes retained in two disputes

• Traffic report: Soccer, football, call it what you like – that and summer movies leave room for little else

• Technology report: New bots, new prefs

• Gallery: Independence days, national holidays, and football – all in July

• Blog: Motivation of two editors

• Recent research: Different Wikipedias use different images; editing contests more successful than edit-a-thons

• Humour: It's all the same

• Essay: Misplaced Pages does not need you

• From the archives: The pending changes fiasco: how an attempt to answer one question turned into a quagmire

The Signpost: 30 August 2018

• From the editor: Today's young adults don't know a world without Misplaced Pages

• Interview: 2018 Wikimedian of the Year, Farkhad Fatkullin

• News and notes: Flying high; low practice from Misplaced Pages 'cleansing' agency; where do our donations go? RfA sees a new trend

• In the media: Quicksilver AI writes articles

• Discussion report: Drafting an interface administrator policy

• Featured content: Featured content selected by the community

• Special report: Wikimania 2018

• Traffic report: Aretha dies – getting just 2,000 short of 5 million hits

• Technology report: Technical enhancements and a request to prioritize upcoming work

• Gallery: Leapfrog, historic Thai cave, and a rhythmic beat

• Recent research: Wehrmacht on Misplaced Pages, neural networks writing biographies

• Humour: Signpost editor censors herself

• Essay: Principle of Some Astonishment

• From the archives: Playing with Misplaced Pages words

The Signpost: 1 October 2018

• From the editor: Is this the new normal?

• News and notes: European copyright law moves forward

• In the media: Knowledge under fire

• Discussion report: Interface Admin policy proposal, part 2

• Arbitration report: A quiet month for Arbcom

• Traffic report: John McCain's death generates over 7 million hits, followed by historical low

• Technology report: Paying attention to your mobile

• Gallery: A pat on the back

• Blog: After a catastrophic fire at the National Museum of Brazil, a drive to preserve what knowledge remains

• Recent research: How talk page use has changed since 2005; censorship shocks lead to centralization; is vandalism caused by workplace boredom?

• Humour: Signpost Crossword Puzzle

• Essay: Expressing thanks

The Signpost: 28 October 2018