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== In appreciation ==
== ] - question about references ==


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On your latest comments in the FARC discussion, you have commented on the use of "blue link unformatted citations to personal websites" (and mentioned Joe Baugher's Phantom website. I have commented on the FARC page on the fitness for purpose of tis website - re the formatting of the reference, what would count as the publisher for such a website? Would something like:
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be appropriate?] (]) 18:51, 25 January 2008 (UTC)
:I'll do a couple of sample edits as soon as I get a free moment. ] (]) 18:53, 25 January 2008 (UTC) |style="vertical-align: middle; border-top: 1px solid gray;" | For your decades-long effort to separate the grain from the chaff. Best wishes, ] (]) 18:50, 17 July 2024 (UTC)
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::I know, Sandy, that a page can seem unencouraging. But you know the tightrope that needs to be walked at FAR. FAR closures are, sometimes, much harder than those at FAC. Nigel is still here, commenting. I want to be fair, even if it's extra generous. Can we do those publishers based on the example edits?
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|style="vertical-align: middle; border-top: 1px solid gray;" | Hi Sandy! I was assigned to the AD article a long while ago with some peers in my class and have been keeping tabs on the article since then. Similar to the previous barnstar (above), I'm honestly a huge fan of your work - you were super helpful back when I was learning the ropes of Misplaced Pages editing and I wanted to come back and say THANK YOU for all that. I hope all is well and that you know all your efforts are appreciated and remembered :) ] (]) 20:37, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
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: Thank you so much, {{u|AirshipJungleman29}} and {{u|Bharatss-SB}}; if has been a rough year and I have been unable to help out as I'd like. I hope you have a Happy New Year! ] (]) 00:10, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
::(Same thing happening at ], incidentally.) ] (]) 20:36, 25 January 2008 (UTC)
:::It will take me hours to clean up the citations: every one of them needs to be rewritten, and I don't know what to do about all the non-reliable sources. It's hard to know where to start. This Joe Baugher fellow is not a reliable source, nor is vectorsite.net, and they are cited extensively, along with other personal, hobby sites. <sigh> ] (]) 20:40, 25 January 2008 (UTC)
::::Then don't fix them. I'll wait another week; if nobody ''else'' starts to fix them, then it will be removed. ] (]) 20:57, 25 January 2008 (UTC)
:::::I'll chip away at them as I can, but it's a full-time effort. ] (]) 20:59, 25 January 2008 (UTC)
::::::I've started a discussion on the use of sites like vectorsite and Joe Baugher's site ]. You may want to comment.] (]) 21:02, 25 January 2008 (UTC)


== Thank you! ==
== One thing worth coming back for ==


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|style="vertical-align: middle; border-top: 1px solid gray;" | For protecting Misplaced Pages by proving you really are SandyGeorgia by having more class and grace than anyone should ever ask of anyone else. Sometimes, when bad things happen to good people, the good people show who's who, and everyone wins. ] (]) 22:54, 25 January 2008 (UTC) |style="vertical-align: middle; border-top: 1px solid gray;" | To SandyGeorgia on the occasion of the ] being '''kept'''. You put in years of work keeping this article honest. Thank you! -] (]) 17:36, 6 October 2024 (UTC)
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:That was quite a haul, {{u|SusanLesch}} and I commend you for your tenacity through such difficulty. I'm sorry that issues in real life have made it impossible for me to continue to help. I hope you have a Happy New Year! ] (]) 00:15, 4 January 2025 (UTC)


== A g.o.a.t. for you! ==


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PS You're still wrong about the Lassen article. Geologists study not only the sedimentary record, but the absence of the record--it's every bit as important to discuss where the stratigraphic column goes absent, as it is to describe the sediments and their history. Being wrong in this instance or any other doesn't subtract from your immense contribution to quality on Misplaced Pages. Thanks for showing everyone how it could work and how it should work if only you weren't the only SandyGeorgia. ] (]) 22:54, 25 January 2008 (UTC)
When I grow up I want to do edits like you do Sandy, you are the g.o.a.t. in my book.


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Don't. Give us 24 hrs. Its fine. ] (]) 00:26, 26 January 2008 (UTC)
:I actually brought up my concerns on the U2 talk page and the editors are receptive to further cleanup. So while I don't plan to clean it up in 24 hours like our Irish friend promised, you shouldn't worry about it. ] (]) 00:44, 26 January 2008 (UTC)
::Tomorrow, or they the day after, or whenever, whatever. The main thing is nobody dies. And I'm thinking of you paticular WesleyDodds, when I say that. ] (]) 00:51, 26 January 2008 (UTC)
:::Cool beans: I can work on Marskell's Otter. ] (]) 00:53, 26 January 2008 (UTC)
::::I propose we move ] to ]. Or better yet, move ] to ]. ] (]) 00:56, 26 January 2008 (UTC)
:::::Move ] to ], ] to ] and ] to ]. Then my day will be perfect. ] (]) 00:59, 26 January 2008 (UTC)


:{{U|Oscar_.}} mil gracias por las palabras tan amables, y espero que 2025 te trata bien. Saludos, ] (]) 00:16, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
==Who makes bad articles good and good articles awesome?==
SandyGeorgia, of course. It's so great to have you back; the project literally suffers without your involvement. I don't have any pretty pictures or awards to bestow upon you, but I admire your resilience and energy, and I'm happy to see you doing what you enjoy once again.--] (]) 01:17, 26 January 2008 (UTC)
:aw, just seeing your name grace my talk page makes my day !! ] (]) 01:18, 26 January 2008 (UTC)


== ] == == Request for input ==


Sandy, I know you're quite busy, but I was wondering if you could spare the time sometime to look over ]. I either slipped a substandard article through FAC in 2020, or my perfectionism is flaring up again. Or maybe a mix of the two. ] <sub> '']''</sub> 03:01, 22 October 2024 (UTC)
Dear Raul654,
There is a problem with the ].
The name was chosen as "thirtysomething" not "Thirtysomething."
] state that it should be always capital when it's a Proper noun even if it was accepted "officially."
I object that rule and changed it, because it was causing too many problems.
I saw back-and-forth discussions about it on the talk page from a year-ago.
The majority agreed with it being lowercase.
I changed everything in the article that said it capitalized -- from "Thirtysomething" to "thirtysomething."
But, there is a problem I can't fix, the title.
I tried changing it and it said that it was typed the same and it didn't work.
So I tried typing "thirtysomething (TV Series)" instead of "thirtysomething (TV series)."
I was thinking maybe Misplaced Pages would pick "t" up and then I would of just changed "(TV Series)" back to "(TV series).
But, it came out like this --> "Thirtysomething (TV Series)" so I had to change it back.
Do you know why it isn't working? ] (]) 04:05, 26 January 2008 (UTC)


== A barnstar for you! ==
There is a problem someone reverted the edit on ]. ] (]) 04:11, 26 January 2008 (UTC)
:Hey ATC, how are you? Raul is pretty busy, so maybe I can help you on my talk page? I think Wiki articles have to start with a cap, even when the actual word doesn't; I had the same issue with the song by Nirvana, "tourette's". I don't think there's anything you can do about it, although correcting it within the article is the right thing to do. ] (]) 04:20, 26 January 2008 (UTC)


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Check out the article, ] it's not using correct grammer and was accepted.
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"Ebay" would not look right. ] (]) 04:39, 26 January 2008 (UTC)
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:Ah, good point, ATC. It's late for me to work on this tonight; will see what I can do tomorrow. Probably someone else who reads my talk page will have the answer. ] (]) 04:44, 26 January 2008 (UTC)
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::Found the relevant Annie, this Manual of Style page explains the difference between something like ] or ] and ] or ], where we do follow normal capitalization rules. It looks like the cap on Thirtysomething has to stay. Will see if someone else differs. ] (]) 04:59, 26 January 2008 (UTC) :Thank you, {{u|LaughingManiac}} and I hope you have a Happy New Year! ] (]) 00:16, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
:::] should remain capitalized due to the MOS paragraph found by Sandy. It is reasonable for encyclopedia style to rule even when the inventors of trademarks try to create catchy anomalies. We even have the poet ] with capitals. I think that each occurrence of ''thirtysomething'' within the article should be changed to Thirtysomething. ] (]) 06:19, 26 January 2008 (UTC)


==Invitation to provide feedback==
I understand. But if I made a book or news article on "thirtysomething." I would do it lowercase. But, I understand your point if view and will change it back. (P.S. A lot of articles on this TV series would normally write it like, "Thirtysomething", but every now and then I saw it written like, "thirtysomething", "thirty-something", and very rarely like this "thirty something.") This looks like news article journalists even made these mistakes. Thanx everyone! ] (]) 22:02, 26 January 2008 (UTC)
Inspired by Worm That Turned's ] where he noted administrators don't get a lot of feedback or suggestions for improvement, I have decided to solicit feedback. I'm reaching out to you as you are currently one of the users I've selected as part of my ]. I hope you will consider taking a few moments to fill out my ''''''. Clicking on the link will load the questions and create a new section on my user talk. Thanks for your consideration. Best, ] (]) 16:03, 2 December 2024 (UTC)
I am going to add this section to the ] talk page. ] (]) 22:09, 26 January 2008 (UTC)
:Feel free to copy it all over (you should say where it came from). ] (]) 22:11, 26 January 2008 (UTC)


== The Dones == ==Io Saturnalia!==


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I think I cleaned up the dones on the FA page for Introduction to Evolution. It certainly is easier to follow now. The mass transfer of text to the discussion page was done by an admin. because it was impossible to separate article issues from allegation against the editors. Sorry if that created a problem. If I was FA director I would take one look at that mess and flunk it. I am very much a newbie at this; all 10,000 edits have been on that one page. I would walk now, but I invested way too much time to bail and a lot of very good people have contributed so much. I am amazed how one negative force can create so many confrontations with so many different individuals. A wall of supports reflecting numerous compromises; yet it reads like theres been a bloody edit war since it started. Many good editors have left; rather than bog down in the constant strife. I can't wait until this is over so I can get out too.--] (]) 22:51, 26 January 2008 (UTC)
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:It reads fine; it's decipherable now, and I've seen worse. I thought a summary was better than a restart in this case. Any progress on the page nos? ] (]) 23:39, 26 January 2008 (UTC)
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:Thank you, {{u|Ealdgyth}}, and a Happy New Year to you! ] (]) 00:17, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
::An interesting change in formating on the books. Havard style? I trust my peers to the citation department; but I'm not certain, in that the new format is so different. I did track down all the page numbers for the books I used; unfortnately, there are still 3-4 which came from other editors. I've asked. All of the cited sections with books and no page #'s could be validated through other sources, which is my last option--- but I guess its getting close to mid-night on this FA. I'm personally biased toward web sites for accessability as the initial goal was to be a gateway. Not many visiting our place will be tracking down Journals to expand their horizons. Well off to address the undones!--] (]) 00:40, 27 January 2008 (UTC)


== What an inspired idea == == Season's Greetings ==
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I had been wondering where these kinds of articles were hiding - the ones that are important but need improvement - and now I know! I see a few that might well be within my scope of competence; they may not wind up achieving FA status again right away, but it gives me a chance to focus on something a bit more intellectual than the children's books and popular music I've been spending my time on. Thanks! ] (]) 00:36, 27 January 2008 (UTC)
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:Great; I always like to see an FFA save. ] (]) 00:38, 27 January 2008 (UTC)
|style="vertical-align: middle; border-top: 1px solid gray;" | Wishing everybody a Happy Holiday Season, and all best wishes for the New Year! The '']'' (1563) by ] is my Wiki-Christmas card to all for this year. ] (]) 17:36, 17 December 2024 (UTC)
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:Thank your for you beautiful card, as always, {{u|Johnbod}}; I'm sorry I've been so absent this year and didn't get a chance to reciprocate, and I hope you have a Happy New Year! ] (]) 00:18, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
== Happyme22 ==


==Merry Christmas!==
Please accept my apology for .
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:Thank you, {{u|SchroCat}}; keep up the good work, and Happy New Year! ] (]) 00:18, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
I still believe this article was written in a Non NPOV and that you can accept my sincerest apology for the attack post in order to move forward in addresing the more relevant issue at hand: the Nancy Reagan article. Multiple Non NPOV's have been detailed on that discussion page.


== Season's Greetings ==
Thank you. ] (]) 07:14, 27 January 2008 (UTC)


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|style="vertical-align: middle; border-top: 1px solid gray;" | <blockquote>When he took up his hat to go, he gave one long look round the library. Then he turned ... (and Saxon took advantage of this to wag his way in and join the party), and said, "It's a rare privilege, the free entry of a book chamber like this. I'm hoping ... that you are not insensible of it." </blockquote>


(Text on page 17 illustrated in the ] in ]'s ''Mary's Meadow and Other Tales of Fields and Flowers'', illustrated by ], London: G. Bell and Sons, 1915.)
Hi SandyGergia, so glad to see you back and active. Sorry to bother you, but ] and I are going to nominate ] at ] on Monday or Tuesday and there is a small potential problem. The article was already nominated once (see ]). The nominator was a user who had never edited it, but was later banned as a sockpuppet of the banned ], who started the article and made one more edit.


]] 04:36, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
Both Awadewit and I asked that the nomination be withdrawn and Awadewit removed the {{tl|fac}} tag from the talk page (which took it off the FAC page). Since the "drive by nomination" was withdrawn, we have expanded the article considerably and cleaned it up too.
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:Thank you, {{u|Fowler&fowler}}; I hope you are well and that the New Year is kind to you! ] (]) 00:19, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
My question is what should we do with the old nomination? I see two possibilities: 1) blank the page (perhaps moving the current content to the talk page?) or 2) delete the page (I am an admin now and could do this). There may well be other options here, but I thought it best to ask you before doing anything and before we nominate the article for real. Thanks in advance for your input here,
] ''']''' 12:55, 27 January 2008 (UTC)
:I archived it in the standard way premature withdrawn FACs are handled; normally I do that when they are withdrawn, but apparently this one was withdrawn without my knowledge. I'm not sure how I missed that one, but if withdraws are left to me, I can archive them correctly. It's good to go now. ] (]) 13:30, 27 January 2008 (UTC)
::Thanks very much - I believe that you were on Wikibreak at the time and we did not want to bother Raul with it. Sorry for any extra work and thanks again, ] ''']''' 13:57, 27 January 2008 (UTC)


== Tel Aviv == == Happy Holidays ==


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Hi. I nominated this article last week and was working on it along with those who commented on it, and it was refused. Other articles have been in the FAC status for longer. I dont know why it was rejected so quickly. I have now managed to address every issue which the comments came up with so feel it is ready. Im not sure what to do.--] (]) 14:25, 27 January 2008 (UTC)
:Other articles which have been at FAC longer have garnered some support. On just a quick glance, I see that Tel Aviv is still sparsely cited, has reference format issues and MOS issues. I suggest you take a few weeks to work on improving it with another experienced reviewer or writer, and re-nominate when it's closer to ready. It's normal to take a few weeks between FAC noms. Best of luck, ] (]) 14:29, 27 January 2008 (UTC)
:OK thanks-] (]) 14:59, 27 January 2008 (UTC)


== Quick word of thanks... ==


] (]) is wishing you ]! This greeting (and season) promotes ] and hopefully this note has made your day a little better. Spread the WikiLove by wishing another user ], whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past, a good friend, or just some random person. Happy New Year! <br />
...on ]. As you can see, my flailing attempts to MOSize the article haven't been altogether too successful. :-D &mdash;] <span style="font-size:x-small">(</span>]<span style="font-size:x-small">)</span> 17:44, 27 January 2008 (UTC)
:It's too bad no one jumped in to help you :-) Done now? ] (]) 17:45, 27 January 2008 (UTC)
::Yes, I think I'm about ready to take a break from that particular article. Just in time to get into two more controversies! &mdash;] <span style="font-size:x-small">(</span>]<span style="font-size:x-small">)</span> 00:13, 28 January 2008 (UTC)


''Spread the cheer by adding {{tls|Happy holidays}} to their talk page with a friendly message.''
== Otter ==
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In a happy coincidence, Pharos has just added a mythology paragraph. It was the only real absence. I'll check the sandbox. ] (]) 20:55, 27 January 2008 (UTC) :It's wonderful to hear from you, {{u|Spicy}}; I'm sorry I've been so absent, hope you are well, and wish you the Happiest of New Years! ] (]) 00:20, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
:I'm almost done, just have to add the Surinam woman (forgot her name). A lot of it may not be usable, and you'll have to massage my prose. It is what it is; copy over whatever you want as soon as I'm done, although you may not want to use it all. Almost done. ] (]) 20:58, 27 January 2008 (UTC)
::Can I ask a stupid question that I should already know the answer to: why does & nbsp; matter? I have yet to open the browser where it makes any difference whatsoever.] (]) 21:13, 27 January 2008 (UTC)
::: Go back to a very old version of ] and see if you pick up any of those 7's on one line, rest of the address on the next :-) ] (]) 21:15, 27 January 2008 (UTC)
::::I don't get it. I just went back to five early versions of 7 World Trade Center and I see absolutely no difference in the numbers versus current. I know I should do it; but I often forget, because I've never noticed a visual cue. Maybe it's my eyes!
::::Your sandbox is excellent! Thank you. I need to wait 'til tomorrow to process it. ] (]) 21:34, 27 January 2008 (UTC)


== Confused == == Happy Holidays ==
Sorry, Sandy, I don't understand what the friction is over in ]. I suspect a POV. One thing is for sure; no article on Evolution can ignore that Nature paper by W&C. I seem to have caused a problem.--]] 23:21, 27 January 2008 (UTC) PS. Nice to have you back.
:Hey. Several things happened there. It appears from a distance that the article just wasn't nearly ready when it came to FAC (remind you of another recent article?), and while Raul and I weren't looking, things got really out of hand and people got bruised, so there's a lot of tension. It looks like people are trying their best now, and people are listening to suggestions. There is consensus, and I hope they'll all get along and work together to iron out differences so we don't see the article at FAR or AN/I, as often happens in that editing area, which isn't known for exemplary civility. ] (]) 23:31, 27 January 2008 (UTC)


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'''Hello SandyGeorgia, may you be surrounded by peace, success and happiness on this ]. Spread the ] by wishing another user a ] and a ], whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past, a good friend, or just some random person. Sending you heartfelt and warm greetings for Christmas and New Year 2025. <br />Happy editing,'''<br />
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Why on earth was my entry removed? It is better sourced than most of the rest of the entry, and less biased - imagine using Time magazine as the sole arbiter of the motives of Chavez, ignoring what he actually said, and regarding this as 'neutral'! Bizarre.
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:Thank you, {{u|Abishe}}; I hope you have a wonderful 2025 ! ] (]) 00:20, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
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:Please use the article talk page, thanks, ] (]) 23:28, 27 January 2008 (UTC)


== Hello again ==
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Would it be appropriate for someone to nominate these for deletion? It seems like more and more these days the consensus is ''not'' to uses these at all in FACs, Peer Reviews, etc. One can just make their own bolded "'''Done.'''" manually, if so desired, but since as you say, the graphic clogs things up - why not have a discussion to delete it? ] (]) 00:33, 28 January 2008 (UTC) Hello again. Apologies for leaving this random message, especially since I know you are more semi-retired on here, but I just wanted to say that I hope you are doing well and having a great end of the year! I just wanted to send some kind words your way. ] (]) 17:59, 25 December 2024 (UTC)
:I believe they're used elsewhere. I tried to reduce their size once, and someone screamed. You'd have to check what links here. ] (]) 00:35, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
::], you're right, it's linked to from lots and lots of pages. Oh well, just an idea. Later, ] (]) 00:44, 28 January 2008 (UTC)


:Just popping by to echo Aoba47's sentiment. I'm glad to see you're around here and there, and I hope I continue seeing you around. Wishing you and your family all the best for 2025, leaving behind what sounds like it has been a challenging 2024. ] (]) 13:03, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
== Introduction to evolution ==
::Happy New Year, {{u|Ajpolino}}! I am around as I'm able, but I'm not anticipating that 2025 will be any less challenging than 2024. It is wonderful to hear from you, and when/if I next get a breather, I will send you an email to update you on my absence. All the best, ] (]) 00:23, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
:{{u|Aoba47}} it is always so nice to hear from you. This year has been quite rough for me, and your random words of kindness always bring good cheer. I hope the coming year is kind to you! Best regards, ] (]) 00:21, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
:: Thank you for the kind words. I am sorry to hear that your year has been rough, but I am glad that I am able to help in any small way. Your words do the same for me. I am trying my best to remain optimistic and focused about the future. Just keeping my attention on things that I can control and ideally improve. It is always great to hear from you as well. ] (]) 01:59, 4 January 2025 (UTC)


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I will try to, but I only have blocks of time on weekends that I can look at it. It would help if there were a general area on Misplaced Pages where a science article can be reviewed, instead of relying upon individual drop-in editors. A lot of what needs corrected is basic evolutionary science, or fundamental misunderstandings about the importance of certain events in the timeline of science. This might be what concerns the poster above (Graham), namely dropping the Watson and Crick paper, when it's an event in the timeline as big as Darwin, Mendel, Morgan, Huxley/Dobzhansky/Mayr/Simpson/et al. I don't think the proposal was to drop the Watson and Crick paper, but it's sometimes hard to figure out what is going on when the Wiki article mentions the double helix shape but not Watson and Crick's bombshell, A-T, G-C. It's like an A-bomb going off over your city and someone asking you to look at a flame. It is difficult maintaining a certain level of discussion about the article when editors keep throwing in omissions to that are fundamental to science, and every mention of the problem is either dismissed or attacked or seen as personal criticism. That sentence I quoted from Watson and Crick's paper is one of the most famous sentences from all of the 20th century's scientific literature. There's not an evolutionary biologist alive today who would not recognize its importance to their work. So, having to correct it is frustrating. But I tried to do it in a straight-forward manner, and when it was corrected, I accepted the correction, although I thought it was a bit complex.
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:Thank you, {{u|Jo-Jo Eumerus}}; that is such a nice thought! May you have a wonderful 2025! ] (]) 00:24, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
I disagree with some parts of the format or topics outline, but I don't know enough about Misplaced Pages articles or have the time to correct that myself. And I'm not sure it matters as long as there is an excellent article that introduces evolution in a scientifically accurate manner. So I haven't posted these issues.


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My concerns about basic science in the article, and references matching sources should be addressed, imo, before it goes on the main page. I've read some of the main page articles over the past month and they tend toward rigorous referencing. They're well done, in fact, even the popular culture articles.
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The writers of this article are also at a disadvantage because of the one commentator who requested primary sources, which won't work well for an article of this nature. The attempt to appease everyone won't work.

I will try to check the use of primary sources, but I won't have time until next weekend, I work and go to school 72 hours a week.

I like the idea behind the article, and it looks like it could be rather good which is the only reason I'm putting up with the pile on shit directed at me every step of the way. Please don't include yourself in that. I raised an issue, it was addressed adequately, I crossed it out, RR indented to indicate he was addressing the same issue, after you had chided me about improperly indenting, and you obviously sided with him. I assume that everyone will side against me as has been happening. But Misplaced Pages has a lot of influence in web search engines and needs to be accountable to this. And, Misplaced Pages won't be publishing crap about evolutionary biology if I can help it. --] (]) 01:10, 28 January 2008 (UTC)


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Thank you for correcting the hyphens in the article. I'll try to ensure that the articles I edit in the future are correct in that regard. Thanks again. ] (]) 03:26, 28 January 2008 (UTC)


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No more ]. I am pretty sure I know why.--] (]) 03:47, 28 January 2008 (UTC) ''<span style="color:crimson;">'''Hello SandyGeorgia:''' Happy new year, and thanks for your work to maintain, improve and expand Misplaced Pages. Cheers, --] (]) 14:18, 1 January 2025 (UTC)</span>''
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:It's too bad it got so heated. I've left a note for Raul. Darn, ] (]) 03:48, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
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::I knew better than to be too involved. And I warned RR as well by email, but oh well.--] (]) 03:50, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
:Thank you, {{u|Dustfreeworld}} -- what a beautiful card. I'm sorry I've not been able to help anywhere, and hope you have a wonderful 2025. ] (]) 00:24, 4 January 2025 (UTC)


== RFC Notice ==
== Back - comment on intro to evolution ==


Hello, this notice is for everyone who took part in the ]. I have started a new RfC on the subject. If you would like to participate please follow this link: {{slink|Misplaced Pages talk:What Misplaced Pages is not|RfC on WP:NOT and British Airways destinations}}. ] (]) 01:22, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
While I cannot comment on the scientific accuracy of ] (I also asked ] for an opinion on that matter - I guess he doesn't want to get involved), I can offer my opinion on the state of the debate on the page. There seems to be a push and a pull between those who want greater accuracy and those who want greater accessibility. These goals are rarely commensurate. It is difficult, for example, to use scientific terms accurately as well as to explain their meaning precisely in an introductory article. I think that initially the editors of the article had envisioned sacrificing accuracy for accessibility (I always thought of the article like the planetary model of the atom - in many ways wildly inaccurate, but a good heuristic). However, over the course of the article's development, it became increasingly sophisticated - partly as a result of some writing choices and partly as a result of some additional material. During the FAC this came to a head as even greater accuracy was demanded and other editors pushed back, demanding that the accessibility be at least held at the current level or increased. In my opinion, this tension is the root of the problem. Each editor has a different idea of how much accuracy and accessibility they are willing to sacrifice. I don't know if this helps you at all - perhaps you realize all of this already. If you have any other questions, feel free to drop a note on my talk page or email me. ] | ] 04:07, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

:I think it is time to put ] up for deletion. Enough is enough. It was never wanted anyway, to be honest.--] (]) 04:10, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
:: A lot of editors worked very hard to get this far; it's time to have a beer :-) ] (]) 04:13, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

:::I believe it would be for the best, given what I have learned.--] (]) 04:16, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

==Miserable time==
I have never had as miserable time on Misplaced Pages as these last few weeks. I saw ] on the FA Candidate page and 'supported' it. I then contributed my time to tweak it further. I have never experienced a page go sideways so badly. I believe that the artilce should be deleted because of inevitable ] as the article is constantly under pressure to converge to the sophistication of the main article ]. There is - almost - no natural constituency on Misplaced Pages to maintain - let alone to write - a simple straightforward explanation of evolution. 'Introduction to Evolution' is not supposed to duplicate 'Evolution'. I think we are re-writing 'Evolution'. I can not see this article ever being stable. It is unnecessary and grief causing. ] (]) 06:40, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

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My will to participate in Misplaced Pages has waned due to the harassment it brings, both on and off Misplaced Pages, with real consequences to living persons and their families. I am following only those articles I have contributed to extensively, and issues or content areas where bullies predominate. I receive pings by email only; I may continue to occasionally check my watchlist and email, but please don't count on me to regularly respond to queries or to keep up with the work I once did. This user is no longer very active on Misplaced Pages.

In appreciation

The Winnowing Fan Barnstar
For your decades-long effort to separate the grain from the chaff. Best wishes, ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 18:50, 17 July 2024 (UTC)
The Helping Hand Barnstar
Hi Sandy! I was assigned to the AD article a long while ago with some peers in my class and have been keeping tabs on the article since then. Similar to the previous barnstar (above), I'm honestly a huge fan of your work - you were super helpful back when I was learning the ropes of Misplaced Pages editing and I wanted to come back and say THANK YOU for all that. I hope all is well and that you know all your efforts are appreciated and remembered :) Bharatss-SB (talk) 20:37, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
Thank you so much, AirshipJungleman29 and Bharatss-SB; if has been a rough year and I have been unable to help out as I'd like. I hope you have a Happy New Year! SandyGeorgia (Talk) 00:10, 4 January 2025 (UTC)

Thank you!

The Original Barnstar
To SandyGeorgia on the occasion of the Minneapolis FA being kept. You put in years of work keeping this article honest. Thank you! -SusanLesch (talk) 17:36, 6 October 2024 (UTC)
That was quite a haul, SusanLesch and I commend you for your tenacity through such difficulty. I'm sorry that issues in real life have made it impossible for me to continue to help. I hope you have a Happy New Year! SandyGeorgia (Talk) 00:15, 4 January 2025 (UTC)

A g.o.a.t. for you!

When I grow up I want to do edits like you do Sandy, you are the g.o.a.t. in my book.

Oscar_. (talk) 04:11, 13 October 2024 (UTC)

Oscar_. mil gracias por las palabras tan amables, y espero que 2025 te trata bien. Saludos, SandyGeorgia (Talk) 00:16, 4 January 2025 (UTC)

Request for input

Sandy, I know you're quite busy, but I was wondering if you could spare the time sometime to look over Talk:Landis's Missouri Battery#Revamping. I either slipped a substandard article through FAC in 2020, or my perfectionism is flaring up again. Or maybe a mix of the two. Hog Farm Talk 03:01, 22 October 2024 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

The Barnstar of Diligence
Went through some of the J. K. Rowling archived discussions from the past few months, out of curiosity. Your diligence in trying to clean up the article, your tireless attempts to keep a civil environment all-around, and most of all your continued efforts to remain impartial and mindful of proper policies and guidelines, impressed me, regardless of whether I agreed or not with your suggested changes. Thanks for your work. LaughingManiac (talk) 23:00, 24 October 2024 (UTC)
Thank you, LaughingManiac and I hope you have a Happy New Year! SandyGeorgia (Talk) 00:16, 4 January 2025 (UTC)

Invitation to provide feedback

Inspired by Worm That Turned's re-RfA where he noted administrators don't get a lot of feedback or suggestions for improvement, I have decided to solicit feedback. I'm reaching out to you as you are currently one of the users I've selected as part of my recall process. I hope you will consider taking a few moments to fill out my feedback form. Clicking on the link will load the questions and create a new section on my user talk. Thanks for your consideration. Best, Barkeep49 (talk) 16:03, 2 December 2024 (UTC)

Io Saturnalia!

Io, Saturnalia!
Wishing you and yours a Happy Holiday Season, from the horse and bishop person. May the year ahead be productive and distraction-free. Ealdgyth (talk) 15:25, 17 December 2024 (UTC)
Thank you, Ealdgyth, and a Happy New Year to you! SandyGeorgia (Talk) 00:17, 4 January 2025 (UTC)

Season's Greetings

Season's Greetings
Wishing everybody a Happy Holiday Season, and all best wishes for the New Year! The Adoration of the Magi in the Snow (1563) by Pieter Bruegel the Elder is my Wiki-Christmas card to all for this year. Johnbod (talk) 17:36, 17 December 2024 (UTC)
Thank your for you beautiful card, as always, Johnbod; I'm sorry I've been so absent this year and didn't get a chance to reciprocate, and I hope you have a Happy New Year! SandyGeorgia (Talk) 00:18, 4 January 2025 (UTC)

Merry Christmas!

A very happy Christmas and New Year to you!


Have a great Christmas, and may 2025 bring you joy, happiness – and no trolls or vandals!

Cheers

SchroCat (talk) 08:27, 21 December 2024 (UTC)

Thank you, SchroCat; keep up the good work, and Happy New Year! SandyGeorgia (Talk) 00:18, 4 January 2025 (UTC)

Season's Greetings

Season's Greetings

When he took up his hat to go, he gave one long look round the library. Then he turned ... (and Saxon took advantage of this to wag his way in and join the party), and said, "It's a rare privilege, the free entry of a book chamber like this. I'm hoping ... that you are not insensible of it."

(Text on page 17 illustrated in the frontispiece in Juliana Horatia Ewing's Mary's Meadow and Other Tales of Fields and Flowers, illustrated by Mary Wheelhouse, London: G. Bell and Sons, 1915.)

Fowler&fowler«Talk» 04:36, 23 December 2024 (UTC)

Thank you, Fowler&fowler; I hope you are well and that the New Year is kind to you! SandyGeorgia (Talk) 00:19, 4 January 2025 (UTC)

Happy Holidays


Spicy (talk) is wishing you Happy Holidays! This greeting (and season) promotes WikiLove and hopefully this note has made your day a little better. Spread the WikiLove by wishing another user Happy Holidays, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past, a good friend, or just some random person. Happy New Year!

Spread the cheer by adding {{subst:Happy holidays}} to their talk page with a friendly message.

Spicy (talk) 11:25, 24 December 2024 (UTC)

It's wonderful to hear from you, Spicy; I'm sorry I've been so absent, hope you are well, and wish you the Happiest of New Years! SandyGeorgia (Talk) 00:20, 4 January 2025 (UTC)

Happy Holidays

Merry Christmas and a Prosperous 2025!

Hello SandyGeorgia, may you be surrounded by peace, success and happiness on this seasonal occasion. Spread the WikiLove by wishing another user a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past, a good friend, or just some random person. Sending you heartfelt and warm greetings for Christmas and New Year 2025.
Happy editing,
Abishe (talk) 23:46, 24 December 2024 (UTC)

Spread the love by adding {{subst:Seasonal Greetings}} to other user talk pages.

Abishe (talk) 23:46, 24 December 2024 (UTC)

Thank you, Abishe; I hope you have a wonderful 2025 ! SandyGeorgia (Talk) 00:20, 4 January 2025 (UTC)

Hello again

Hello again. Apologies for leaving this random message, especially since I know you are more semi-retired on here, but I just wanted to say that I hope you are doing well and having a great end of the year! I just wanted to send some kind words your way. Aoba47 (talk) 17:59, 25 December 2024 (UTC)

Just popping by to echo Aoba47's sentiment. I'm glad to see you're around here and there, and I hope I continue seeing you around. Wishing you and your family all the best for 2025, leaving behind what sounds like it has been a challenging 2024. Ajpolino (talk) 13:03, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
Happy New Year, Ajpolino! I am around as I'm able, but I'm not anticipating that 2025 will be any less challenging than 2024. It is wonderful to hear from you, and when/if I next get a breather, I will send you an email to update you on my absence. All the best, SandyGeorgia (Talk) 00:23, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
Aoba47 it is always so nice to hear from you. This year has been quite rough for me, and your random words of kindness always bring good cheer. I hope the coming year is kind to you! Best regards, SandyGeorgia (Talk) 00:21, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
Thank you for the kind words. I am sorry to hear that your year has been rough, but I am glad that I am able to help in any small way. Your words do the same for me. I am trying my best to remain optimistic and focused about the future. Just keeping my attention on things that I can control and ideally improve. It is always great to hear from you as well. Aoba47 (talk) 01:59, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
Merry Christmas and a Prosperous 2025!

Hello SandyGeorgia, may you be surrounded by peace, success and happiness on this seasonal occasion. Spread the WikiLove by wishing another user a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past, a good friend, or just some random person. Sending you heartfelt and warm greetings for Christmas and New Year 2025.
Happy editing,
Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 10:16, 26 December 2024 (UTC)

Thank you, Jo-Jo Eumerus; that is such a nice thought! May you have a wonderful 2025! SandyGeorgia (Talk) 00:24, 4 January 2025 (UTC)

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Greetings of the season


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Hello SandyGeorgia: Happy new year, and thanks for your work to maintain, improve and expand Misplaced Pages. Cheers, --Dustfreeworld (talk) 14:18, 1 January 2025 (UTC)

Thank you, Dustfreeworld -- what a beautiful card. I'm sorry I've not been able to help anywhere, and hope you have a wonderful 2025. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 00:24, 4 January 2025 (UTC)

RFC Notice

Hello, this notice is for everyone who took part in the 2023 RfC on lists of airline destinations. I have started a new RfC on the subject. If you would like to participate please follow this link: Misplaced Pages talk:What Misplaced Pages is not § RfC on WP:NOT and British Airways destinations. Sunnya343 (talk) 01:22, 8 January 2025 (UTC)