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It also mean Ignorant according to Websters. Which I belive needs to be added to this page to give it neutrality. |
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Many people from the U.S. use the word "nigger" to describe anyone (regardless of skin color) who is an ignorant, disrespectful, or a disadvantaged person. |
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Many people have adopted this term because they believe it puts the word to use in a less racist way. People who use the word "nigger" referring all races are generally of a younger generation that has not lived through slavery or segregation. They do not wish to hold grudges for something that happened before their life time, so they've recycled an old, commonly used word and put it to a better, less racist use. ] (]) 06:35, 10 December 2007 (UTC) |
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== Al Sharpton == |
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Why is al sharpton not mentioned once in this article? You people disgust me. ] (]) <small>—Preceding ] was added at 05:15, 19 December 2007 (UTC)</small><!--Template:Undated--> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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== Ligger == |
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"In other words - the term "ligger" evolved as a derivative of the other words rooted in the word "lig" and NOT as a variant of "nigger". However - the fact that it is a "near-homophone" of the word "nigger" has led to it being less used." |
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This is nonsense. Add evidence that usage has decreased for this reason or remove the assertion. ] 20:18, 19 August 2007 (UTC) |
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== Popular Culture == |
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I don't really understand why this section was removed? It thought it was a good section, and people are going to constantly attempt to add references in films, music, books ... (as has already happened!) I think it should be restored IMHO. --] 15:43, 25 July 2007 (UTC) |
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:The section was a horrible mess, but it did contain some important stuff about the evolution and application of the word over time. Deletion of such a large chunk of text normally requires discussion. Will reinstate it - subject to editors pitching in to clean it up and retain the significant bits. --] 21:13, 25 July 2007 (UTC) |
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::I think it needs to be redone entirely to belong in the article. A section on the evolution of the word in popular culture would definitely be nice, but as it stands (just a list of uses of "nigger" in popular culture with no real context), it's useless and unencyclopedic. -] 22:34, 25 July 2007 (UTC) |
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:::No editor worth his salt is going to claim that mess was salvageable. If someone here is volunteering to take the precious little useful information from the chunk I deleted and spin it into readable, relevant prose, I will bow to that editor. Failing that, I can't see how its removal is in anyway controversial (other than to trivia hounds who enjoy contributing to the section's bloated-ness.)--] 23:35, 25 July 2007 (UTC) |
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::::I think there is some massivly important information in there. The stuff about the UK Big Brother this year was a huge event circling around the use of this word. Without reference to this event I feel it's being ignored, which it definately shouldn't be! --] 09:10, 26 July 2007 (UTC) |
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:::::Spin it into encyclopedic prose (independent of that rambling list), source it, and you'll be improving the article.--] 09:18, 26 July 2007 (UTC) |
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== "The N-word" == |
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What does it mean by it saying that "S-word" became the "S-word". It doesn't make sense. |
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== Etymology == |
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''Negro'' is BOTH a portuguese/spanish word for the same meaning. not only the last one, as in the article states. |
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This is a really problematic statement: "Charles Dickens, and Joseph Conrad (who published The Nigger of the 'Narcissus' in 1897) used the word without racist intent." First, on what basis are speculations about the intentions of these writers made? It's not hard to find passages in either writer that don't use the word "nigger" but almost anyone would consider racist. Second, just what does "racist intent" mean? Just because the word isn't used as a direct insult to a particular person doesn't mean there's not racism behind it. And |
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where does the idea that racism is primarily a matter of intention come from anyway? ] 15:29, 15 August 2007 (UTC) |
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:As ] states, "Racism is a belief or concept that inherent differences between people (such as those upon which the concept of race is based) determine cultural or individual achievement, and may involve the idea that one's own 'race' is superior." "Intent" clearly plays in in a big way there: if you're simply saying "nigger" because that's the term in use in your era and not to disparage black people, that's not racist. Your other complaints are valid enough though; there should be a source regarding their "intents." -] 01:27, 16 August 2007 (UTC) |
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::NIGGER WAS ORIGINALLY A TERM USED TO DEGRADE PEOPLE WHO WER ILLITERATE, IGNORANT, AND LAZY NOT JUST USED TO DEMEAN THA BLACK RACE I DONT PERSONALLY LIKE THE WORD BUT IT WASNT JUST BLACK PEOPLE THAT COULD BE CALLED A NIGGER ANYONE CAN BE IGNORANT ILLITERATE AND LAZY SO THEREFORE THE STUPID WHIT SLAVE OWNERS WHO KEPT THIER SLAVES IG NORANT LAZY AND ILLITERATE CALLED THEM THAT BECAUSER THEY WERE NIGGERS FOR MAKING SOME NOT LEARN HOW TO READ AND THEN CALL THEM SOMETHING CUZ THEY WERE STUPID NOT TO TEACH EM -] 13:43, 11 September 2007 (UTC) |
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::(I just dragged the above comment out of the middle of a paragraph above ... hope I'm not breaking any protocols? ] 06:11, 12 September 2007 (UTC) ) |
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== GNAA == |
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Should these guys have anything to do with this page? |
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:Yes. --] 08:47, 16 August 2007 (UTC) |
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Go back to ED you unfunny morons <small>—Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) {{{Time|02:18, August 26, 2007 (UTC)}}}</small><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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==References -- formatting== |
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I've added some new info, and the reference format needs cleaning up. I don't have the time (or the patience) to get it right, so it'd be great if someone so inclined would do so. Thanks. ] 23:45, 11 August 2007 (UTC) |
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== Pacific Northwest== |
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California is not the pacific northwest. <small>—The preceding ] comment was added by ] (] • ]){{#if:{{{2|}}}| {{{2}}}}}.</small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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: I agree. I've lived in Washington State all my life, and I haven't generally heard of Northern California as being part of the Pacific Northwest. Each of those four references to the PNW in the article are about places in California, so wouldn't it be better to use the name California instead?Klassica 02:39, 24 October 2007 (UTC) <small>—Preceding ] comment added by ] (] • ]) {{{2|}}}</small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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==Protection== |
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Why aren't there any buttons to edit the actual page itself? That hardly seems fair. <small>—Preceding ] comment added by ] (] • ]) 05:53, 24 August 2007</small><!-- Template:Unsigned2 --> |
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:The page is currently ] due to ongoing problems with vandalism. --] 05:59, 24 August 2007 (UTC) |
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I tried to edit the article but could not, so I came here. I think the first paragraph should make it clear that we use it among ourselves and in that case it is not pejorative. Though some of us think it should not be used EVER, even by ourselves. Me, I use it. ] 14:25, 29 August 2007 (UTC) |
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:The lead section needs to be expanded anyway - it's too short. I'm well aware that some ] use "nigger" to refer to each other. This information should be included in the lead.-''']''' <sup>'']''</sup> <sub>''']'''</sub> 18:48, 1 September 2007 (UTC) |
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==Problem with Non-human uses section== |
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I'm not sure that nigger was used to mean a defect, more like a hot coal or something. |
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'nigger was sometimes used as a synonym for "defect."' 'For example'...'‘a nigger’ would get into the armature, and burn it so as to destroy its service."' |
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== Removed tag == |
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I removed the tag <nowiki>{{Wikify|date=July 2007}}</nowiki> from the references section. Since that section is generated automatically by the <nowiki>{{reflist}}</nowiki> template, the tag serves no purpose on the section even if further wikification is desired elsewhere. - ] 16:14, 12 September 2007 (UTC) |
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== Canada == |
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Please edit the section that describes the "nigger brown" sofa in Canada. The paragrahp is written in a way that implies that it's a canaidan policy to have lables that include nigger; this is entirely false. |
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] 00:59, 9 October 2007 (UTC)] 18:57, October 8th, 2007 |
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:You're welcome to fix it yourself, you know. -]<sup>(])</sup> 01:01, 9 October 2007 (UTC) |
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:] ] ] 01:30, 9 October 2007 (UTC) |
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::Tricky when the page is semi-protected and it's a new account :) Anyway, the paragraph doesn't imply that at all. It does imply that it's a common descriptor for a shade of brown in ''China'', but nothing about its use being common on ''Canadian'' labels. — ] <sup>(] • ])</sup> 15:42, 9 October 2007 (UTC) |
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== Lead == |
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I discovered that references Answers.com, which of course references Misplaced Pages, but there's some great info on the page in the other sections. Specifically, I added it because it provides a secondary account of the Oprah episode where they discussed "the N-word" in addition to other discussion of the word's connotation. It seemed like an injustice not to at least mention other uses of the word given how prevalent the word is (like it or not). ] 21:50, 9 October 2007 (UTC) |
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== MY FRIEND SEZ == |
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"Nigger" isn't only a slander to 'blacks' you know. Germans called Ukrainians (used to anyway) Niggers. Just look up the meaning. |
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I DONT KNOW IF THATS TRUE OR NOT. BUT I LOOKED INTO IT AND IT DOESNT SEEM TO BE ON THIS PAGE. IF ANY YALL LOOK UP THE MEANING AND THE HISTORY AND FIND THATS TRUE ADD THAT IF NOT THEN HE IS A FUCKING LIAR. ] 12:31, 10 October 2007 (UTC) |
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::It does actually mention this fact (not specifically the German thing though) more than once throughout the article. ] 14:40, 10 October 2007 (UTC) |
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::: That sounds like a really deprecated use, I lived in Germany for two years and never heard anyone use the term Nigger in relation to anything but black people, and then it isn't considered offensive. Even among black Germans, of which there are a reasonable number in the Rhine area. ] (]) 23:02, 18 November 2007 (UTC) |
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==The word nigga as a pronoun== |
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When I search the web for "nigga pronoun", the first Google hit is: |
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:http://72.14.205.104/search?q=cache:_yNtYBsPq0MJ:www.engl.niu.edu/rthompson/nigga.ppt+nigga+pronoun&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=1&gl=us&client=firefox-a |
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This appears to be a serious scholarly attempt to examine the linguistics and usage of the n-word. --] 18:07, 13 October 2007 (UTC) |
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== wrong/fault/less documentation on page == |
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'''Nigger is also a country name...!!!''' |
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but there reported just as criminal word. |
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its just effectively criminal.and hawe different meanings for some different peoples. <small>—Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 18:50, 19 October 2007 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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:Erm ... do you mean ]?? Only one "g" in that there word fella! |
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] 20:27, 19 October 2007 (UTC) |
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lol, |
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but actually there is a point, the Nigerien and Nigerian country names also mean black and obviously have a similar etymology. <small>—Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 22:20, 3 December 2007 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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==Fair use rationale for Image:BossNiggerPoster.jpg== |
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Please go to ] and edit it to include a ]. Using one of the templates at ] is an easy way to insure that your image is in compliance with Misplaced Pages policy, but remember that you must complete the template. Do not simply insert a blank template on an image page. |
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] 08:19, 27 October 2007 (UTC) |
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==DELETION vs WIKIALITY== |
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I am not an editor but I think that this section should be deleted and replaced with a simple definition entry because this word should be consigned to history; to be left unused and obsolete. |
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To have a whole article on a pejorative on a site such as this, which is used by so many people, is just advertisement in its use. |
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Besides there has been a general drive, of late, to delete all pejorative articles and replace them with single dictionary entries. |
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However, and I apologise for the ], I think the main failure for Misplaced Pages is that article prevalence, importance and content only comes down to a consensus in belief or Wikiality, the truth is what the majority of us says it is. |
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This article should go the way of all slur-words and racial epithets on Misplaced Pages and be deleted down to a single one-line definition. |
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In that way, it's noted but not promoted. <small>—Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 10:03, 29 October 2007 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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:Misplaced Pages is ] and is ]. Contrary to what Stephen Colbert believes, we're here to document verifiable information, not create our own truths by consensus, and it's not our place to encourage or discourage the use of any word - pejorative or not. — ] <sup>(] • ])</sup> 10:44, 29 October 2007 (UTC) |
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::Thanks for the reply. I have mentioned that I believe that there is a problem (that there are a substantial number of pejorative articles on this site - posing as fact) should be seen as a positive - not a negative. This article stays because enough people say it should but in recent times many U.K. swear words have been deleted (into dictionary form) by editors from America, Asia and Australia. |
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::And so it will go on, philosophically Misplaced Pages should either be a encyclopedia that is wholly based in the physical world (i.e. only containing dry, scientifically verifiable, measurable facts) or it opens its doors and lets anybody express their views on the world in a free, open domain. Misplaced Pages rules create belief in a system, a belief in a system creates interpretation of that system and the interpretation of that system is down to a person's own opinion (see ]). The more individuals who agree on the same opinion - the more Wikiality you get!! It's only time or a radically different perspective that ultimately alters things. |
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::Yours with regards Philip James |
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::PS I would still like this onerous page to be deleted down to a single line entry because in that way |
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it's not our place to encourage or discourage the use of any word - pejorative or not. |
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*This article is not about the denotation of 'nigger' but so much more. An encyclopedia will often delve into the historical significance of colloquial terms and 'nigger' is a word that has such a history that one line will not do at all. This article is the history and usage - not an interpretation. I think you are thinking of it as a swear word, but it's really not. It was a common term used to describe an entire race of people which transcended into something entirely different. I think of ] as a swear word, as it is used when 'swearing.' Nigger is not an expletive, but it is a racial slur. Ignoring its history in American usage is like brushing information under the carpet - which is not our job. It's an inherent bad thing, but its exploration belongs here, as long as it adheres to NPOV and is well sourced. ] ] 01:06, 31 October 2007 (UTC) |
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== China == |
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"Nigger" may be a descriptor for brown in China (although I would not say common), but only because of the translation programs they use. Practically all Chinese in China speak English as a second language, so it doesn't make sense to judge this language usage based on a few famous examples of mistranslation. |
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http://digg.com/world_news/Chinese_translation_error_blamed_for_slur_on_sofa_label |
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Kingsoft Corp (famous for its program "Kingsoft Powerword", a free Chinese-English translation program) was blamed for this error. |
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I believe that this part is fine to be left in, but it should be noted that it is due to mistranslation, as is most English/Engrish in East Asia. |
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== Why does "long face" redirect here? == |
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Why does "long face" redirect here??? <small>—Preceding ] comment added by ] (] • ]) 07:28, 6 November 2007 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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:I fixed the vandalism... it's been that way for several months, thanks for pointing it out.--] 10:37, 6 November 2007 (UTC) |
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== General John "Black Jack" Pershing == |
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Pershing, a white man, was nicknamed "Nigger Jack" at West Point because he had served with the all-black 10th Calvary (Patton: A Genius For War, Carlo D'Este, ISBN 0-06-016455-7, p.157) <small>—Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 03:05, 9 November 2007 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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== Australian entry == |
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The addition of an Australian section on this topic is not relevant because:<br /><br /> |
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:a) Comparisons are only made with reference to the United States use of the word covered elsewhere in the article. |
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:b) The discussion is tangential and refers more to other derogatory terms, not on topic. |
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:c) There is no evidence, reference citation or factual basis included for any of the section.<br /><br /> |
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The section should therefore be flagged for removal. --] 15:34, 9 November 2007 (UTC) |
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== The new use of an old word == |
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Many people from certain areas of the U.S. use the word "nigger" to describe anyone who is an ignorant, disrespectful, or disadvantaged person. This modern use does not refer to just to the black people alone. It refers to everyone - Black, White, Red, Yellow, or Olive. The use of the word "nigger" in this manner usually comes from areas of the United States where many races interact on non-racial basis. |
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Many people have adopted this term because they believe it makes the use of the word less racist. Many people who use the word "nigger" for all races are of a younger generation that has not lived through slavery or segregation. They don't wish to hold grudges, so they recycled an old, commonly used word and put it to a better, less racist use. |
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] (]) 05:28, 10 December 2007 (UTC) |
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:Please bring some ] here to ] your claim. Thanks, ] 05:30, 10 December 2007 (UTC) |
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==Neeger== |
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In Estonia the word "neeger" is used for black people. But it isn't pejorative, it is a neutral word. – ] (]) 12:41, 11 December 2007 (UTC) |
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:The situation is similiar in most countries that aren't exposed to massive black immigration. For instance, Poland, Russia, Serbia, etc. --] (]) 12:06, 31 January 2008 (UTC) |
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== POV / vandalism? == |
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This part clearly shows POV: |
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In "Non-human uses" |
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It is also used to describe something undesirable or bad. In rapper Ice Cube's first album; "Amerikkka's Most Wanted", he said "Paybacks a muthafuckin' NIGGER". |
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In his album Loyal to the Game, rapper 2pac uses nigga as an acrynom in the title of his song N.I.G.G.A which stands for Never Ignorant about Gettin' Goals Accomplished. |
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Does a rapper using an expression automatically make it a fact? Or is it just some fanboy putting their interpretation in wikipedia and presenting it as fact? I think it's the latter, I will remove this garbage as it is clearly based on POV. Presenting lyrics as the basis for an argument is actually so stupid I'd almost suspect vandalism (at least in the case of the Ice Cube quote which on its own makes no sense at all) |
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I've removed these lines, see page history. ] (]) 15:58, 23 December 2007 (UTC)UltimateEnd |
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== Literary Uses == |
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'''Factually Incorrect''' The statement under Literary Uses that "Ian Fleming makes use of the term in his novel Live and Let Die. One of the chapters is called "Nigger Heaven" and two of the main characters, James Bond and Felix Leiter, make regular use of the word." is factually incorrect. There is indeed a chapter called "Nigger Heaven", but this is only 1 of 2 instances of the word in the book. The other is by the character Solitair when she states, "I've been shut up with him and his nigger gangsters for nearly a year." |
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== N-word should redirect to the slang term. == |
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From the text it is obvious that Bond and Leiter believe in racist stereo-types, but unless the text has been changed, those are the only 2 instances of the usage of the word in the book. |
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Popular consensus is the n-word is typically referring to the slang word rather than the slur. ] (]) 07:19, 23 October 2023 (UTC) |
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== Wigger == |
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As well as being a portmanteau of "white" and "nigger" as stated in the article, "wigger" is often considered a portmanteau of "wanabe" and "nigger. ] (]) 21:06, 20 January 2008 (UTC) |
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:: If by "slang word" you're referring to the colloquialism "nigga", then you are incorrect: "N-word" refers to the slur, not the colloquialism. Thanks and happy editing.] (]) 22:26, 14 September 2024 (UTC) |
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== South Asian Usage == |
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== Guidance for Misplaced Pages editors == |
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I arrived here after finding the full N-word quoted in another article. My personal understanding is that it would be more appropriate to euphemize as "N-word", or replace in a direct quote as "" when it appears in article content. To anchor my opinion in the article itself, the section "In an academic setting" illustrates a close analogue to the Misplaced Pages context, in which 80% of a class on hate speech unenrolled after hearing the lecturer use the word. I'm sure context was relevant in that case, but it's relevant here as well: nobody is paying attention to the article's authors using the word in an intra- or inter-group sense, they simply know that it's disgusting to come across egregious usages. Is there already a discussion thread about recommended writing style (and moving this article to "N-word" with a redirect back to it, for that matter)? ] (]) 14:55, 1 January 2025 (UTC) |
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Unless it can be referenced, delete the section about "Nigger" refering to South Asians in the UK. In the mainstream `Paki' is used to identify South Asians. Italians have been called Nigger as well in U.S. history and they are usually classed as "white" by most census definitions. Pakistanis are mostly Caucasoid not Negroid. We shouldn't let one off incidents of dark skinned people being called Nigger the rule! <small>—Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 21:29, 31 January 2008 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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:Unfortunately, ] Or alter direct quotes. ]<span style="color:Purple">'''. '''</span><sub>]</sub> 20:33, 1 January 2025 (UTC) |
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== Redirect == |
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== Quotation source == |
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I think nigger should redirect to black people.{{unsigned|Soldior60}} |
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:un, no. This article is about the term, and its usage, not black people themselves. '''] ]''' 05:21, 15 February 2008 (UTC) |
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{{user|Hairy Dude}} quite rightly the {{tl|attribution needed}} tag to the text: |
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== Nigger == |
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:Because the word ''nigger'' has historically "wreaked symbolic violence, often accompanied by physical violence"... |
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It is a derogatory term, although not originally, referred to black people. It is now referred to indolent, immoral, or violent people (whether black or white). I have never heard it used as a term referred to people of brown or darker skinned people. Never heard it used for Indian people (after checking all the sources). Please remove the phrase, "anyone with brown or darker skin, such as an Indian". It is not used for an Indian. All the other derogatory terms for Indians listed there are true, but not this one. PLEASE REMOVE IT IMMEDIATELY!! |
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The quoted material appears to originate in the article: |
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== Something's wrong == |
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:{{cite journal |last1=Rahman |first1=Jacquelyn |title=The N Word: Its History and Use in the African American Community |journal=Journal of English Linguistics |date=June 2012 |volume=40 |issue=2 |pages=137–171 |doi=10.1177/0075424211414807}}. |
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The words are found in more than one legal case, all citing back to this academic paper. Unfortunately, I don't have access to the article itself (it's not in the free abstract) to either verify the quotation or to get a specific page cite, but perhaps another editor, armed with the cite above, can. |
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For whatever reason, the article only covers the word. Shouldn't it actually be about ''niggers''? ] (]) 16:53, 20 February 2008 (UTC) |
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The quote was without attribution by {{user|Alcaios}}, so perhaps that editor has access and can provide the missing attribution. ] (]) 02:33, 8 January 2025 (UTC) |
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:I see now that this article is cited, currently as reference #3 in the article, so all it really needs is for someone to verify and attach the reference to the quotation; it is on the full sentence itself, but not in a way that clarifies it as attribution for the quotation. ] (]) 02:41, 8 January 2025 (UTC) |
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::page 142: {{tq|Because nigger has historically wreaked symbolic violence (Butler 1997; Coupland 2007; Zizek 2007), often accompanied by physical violence, the negative meaning of nigger, which for some African Americans includes nigga, remains an active part of consciousness. For them, the racist meaning obliterates and disallows the legitimacy of any positive meanings that African Americans may claim for the term (Kennedy 2002; Asim 2007; Larkins 2006, qtd. in Echegoyen 2006).}} ] (]) 09:41, 8 January 2025 (UTC) |
I arrived here after finding the full N-word quoted in another article. My personal understanding is that it would be more appropriate to euphemize as "N-word", or replace in a direct quote as "" when it appears in article content. To anchor my opinion in the article itself, the section "In an academic setting" illustrates a close analogue to the Misplaced Pages context, in which 80% of a class on hate speech unenrolled after hearing the lecturer use the word. I'm sure context was relevant in that case, but it's relevant here as well: nobody is paying attention to the article's authors using the word in an intra- or inter-group sense, they simply know that it's disgusting to come across egregious usages. Is there already a discussion thread about recommended writing style (and moving this article to "N-word" with a redirect back to it, for that matter)? Adamw (talk) 14:55, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
The words are found in more than one legal case, all citing back to this academic paper. Unfortunately, I don't have access to the article itself (it's not in the free abstract) to either verify the quotation or to get a specific page cite, but perhaps another editor, armed with the cite above, can.
