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== Exploring the Paranormal Mysteries of Portal Fernández Concha ==
== Pseudoscience ==


Greetings, fellow enthusiasts of the unexplained and the mysterious,
You may be interested in . ——''']'''</span> ] Ψ ]<span style="color:#ffffff;">——</span> 06:07, 28 January 2008 (UTC)


I'm delving into the fascinating history of Portal Fernández Concha, a building that stands as a testament to Santiago's rich cultural and paranormal tapestry. This location is not only an architectural marvel but also a hotbed for paranormal activity, making it a perfect subject for our community's expertise.
== Panspermia ==


'''Why Portal Fernández Concha?'''
Why is panspermia included in project paranormal? It's a valid scientific theory; one with little to no evidence, perhaps, but certainly not "fringe" or "paranormal." There is nothing unscientific about the idea that life might have been brought to Earth on extraterrestrial objects such as comets. I learned about the idea in high school science classes and college biology courses, and they certainly weren't treated as quasi-scientific or paranormal in any way. <small>—Preceding ] comment added by ] (] • ]) 15:40, 3 February 2008 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
:It is a recurring phenomena in UFO literature. I am surprised if there is an article on this exact subject already. --] (]) 07:30, 4 February 2008 (UTC)
::As ] said, this is a common topic in Ufology and in various conspiracy beliefs. Usually, in paranomral circles its known by other names such as Distant Origin hypothesis or "alien ancestry". Variations on the topic are also found in various stories about Atlantis and Mu, and by people such as David Icke. - ] (]) 19:04, 7 February 2008 (UTC)


# '''Variety of Paranormal Phenomena''': The building is rife with reports of unexplained noises, such as marbles rolling in the dead of night, and sightings of apparitions, including the eerie "Hat Man" and the spirits of those who met tragic ends within its walls​​.
== Another AFD ==
# '''Historical and Cultural Significance''': Beyond its paranormal aspects, Portal Fernández Concha is a microcosm of Santiago's societal evolution, housing a diverse array of residents from different walks of life and historical periods​


* .
] ]''']''' 20:06, 8 February 2008 (UTC)
* '''Community Interest''': The building is a focal point for local legend and has been included in paranormal tours, indicating a high level of public interest and engagement with its mysteries​


# .


'''Collaboration Invitation'''
== May need Help ==


I invite you to join me in expanding and refining the Misplaced Pages article on Portal Fernández Concha, with a focus on its paranormal aspects. Your insights, research skills, and passion for the paranormal can help us create a comprehensive, balanced, and captivating narrative.
I seem to have a strange vanity bent vandal (work that one out). He is quite aggressive and determined. He has come back 3 time using diff ISP addresses 144.134.48.24 144.134.71.8 and 144.134.48.159. I have reverted the changes he keeps making and this time have left his link in to see what he does. But I may need some help on this one. See http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Australian_ufology&action=history. Regards ] (]) 01:35, 15 February 2008 (UTC)
* Yep will need some help... he came back aggressive and determined... even with his link in, he will take no quarter on this - He is looking for a fight. HELP! ] (]) 02:11, 15 February 2008 (UTC)
**He is back again this time as 144.134.71.135. I have left his link in the code, but he is on a mission. Do we have any Project Paranormal Admin? ] (]) 14:16, 15 February 2008 (UTC)


'''How You Can Help:'''
:OK, first things first you've both violated the 3 reverts rule. This is not good. You could BOTH be blocked for a set period for persisting in this manner.


* '''Research and Verification''': Help in gathering and verifying accounts of paranormal activity, ensuring we rely on credible sources and eyewitness accounts.
:Secondly, in order for an admin to get involved (they are general, not project based), or for anybody her to offer you worthwhile advice, it's best that you present a clear account of what's happening. For example, what is the crux of the argument? Why do you disagree with this editor's edits? Which policies are involved?
* '''Contextual Analysis''': Provide analysis on how these paranormal phenomena fit within the broader context of Santiago's cultural and historical landscape.
* '''Article Enhancement''': Contribute to improving the article's structure and content, ensuring it meets Misplaced Pages's quality standards while captivating readers' imaginations.


This is more than just an article improvement project; it's a chance to explore the intersection of history, culture, and the paranormal in one of Santiago's most enigmatic buildings. I look forward to your contributions and insights as we delve into the mysteries of Portal Fernández Concha together.
:Thirdly, WP:NPOV requires that all significant arguments be addressed. If both of your arguments represent notable and verifiable perspectives then they could potentially both be included. Alternately, if neither of you can demonstrate notability then both of your edits could well be deleted.


Thank you for considering this collaboration. I'm excited to see where our combined efforts will lead us in uncovering the stories hidden within the walls of Portal Fernández Concha.
:Lastly, you're both citing blogs. This is strongly discouraged under Wiki-regs. Try to find book with good sales figures and a notable author.


] (]) 21:16, 17 February 2008 (UTC) Best regards, ] (]) 18:15, 27 January 2024 (UTC)
*** Thanks ] for the feedback. Firstly I reverted the ISP changes as per the Wiki rules and with the Wiki Warnings. Next If the unlisted ISP is not going to play the Wiki game, either in the comments section or at their own talk then how does a member of the Paranormal group keep the integrity of the original text in place until the dispute is settled. The only way out that I can see is to endlessly keep editing until the ISP gives up or talks?] (]) 03:35, 19 February 2008 (UTC)
:::As it's an anonymous editor you could ask for the page to be . ] (]) 16:10, 19 February 2008 (UTC)
::::Good Call. That may be the way to go. Would you believe all is quite at this time? He may have taken the hint? I have been in a few semi edit wars and was able to get them into the talk area, but these encounters cause/create endless grief. The odd thing about trying to maintain the status quo against a determined edit freak is that it brings down the reversers credentials. On many occasions I have had no interest in the issue etc. It’s like a form of ego vandalism or pigheaded vandalism, the culprit thinks that he is absolutely right and will take no medium road or advice. ] (]) 03:09, 20 February 2008 (UTC)


== ] == == Richard C. Doty ==


Howdy! I've been editing Misplaced Pages for a few years, but most of editing activities have focused on ]. I've recently started perusing some UFO literature, and I've noticed that ] comes up repeatedly in a variety of sources, but he does not have a ] article. (The bluelinked article is a placeholder redirect I created after a recent RfD discussion revealed that there is a ] article on Misplaced Pages and consensus emerged to redirect ] there. End of sidetrack.)
Howdy folks, I accidentally stumbled on this article, and about died. Maybe someone here cares enough to add inline cites to it, and rewrite it so it doesn't seem to state that Winged cats actually exist? ] (]) 10:37, 15 February 2008 (UTC)


I'm thinking about creating an article but my major concern is sourcing, particularly given that Doty seems to have acquired an unsavory reputation in the UFO community, mostly relating to ]. As this is a BLP article, I'm cautious of giving ] weight to ] views, or using information that has been debunked since its publication, which seems to happen frequently in ufology. To this end, I'd welcome any input on the following potential sources, in no particular order:
::Well, they may exist in so much as belief in them exists. Most things in the paranormal don't actually exist, not in the sense that you could study one in a lab. - ] (]) 09:25, 17 February 2008 (UTC)
*''Project Beta: The Story of Paul Bennewitz, National Security, and the Creation of a Modern UFO Myth'' by Greg Bishop. Seems to be the most in-depth source of info directly relating to Paul Bennewitz, and it's published by a reputable company. My main concern is whether it's up-to-date and whether its content is disputed.
:::''Au contraire''! Winged cats exist as a rare genetic mutation. for details. ] (]) 14:13, 17 February 2008 (UTC)
*''UFO Highway 2.0: Revisiting the Hidden Expanse'' by Anthony F. Sanchez. <u>Possible red flag:</u> clearly self-published; Strange Lights Publishing seems to exist primarily as a vehicle for Sanchez's work, and openly describes itself as such on . (At least it's forthright.)
::::Isn't this just further proof of the myth? - ] (]) 14:54, 17 February 2008 (UTC)
*''The Trickster and the Paranormal'' by George P. Hansen. <u>Possible red flag:</u> published by Xlibris USA, reputed to be a self-publishing service with minimal editorial oversight. Furthermore, excerpts on Google Books seem to use lots of ], although they are extensively footnoted.
:::::If you prove a myth, doesn't that make it a fact? Anyway, the point about inline cites is good, so shall we do that instead of arguing? ] (]) 15:01, 17 February 2008 (UTC)
*''Mirage Men: A Journey into Disinformation, Paranoia and UFOs'' by ]. The documentary based on this book alerted me to the topic. Author seems legitimate, book published by a major, well-reputed house. Main concern is whether the information is up-to-date.
:::Actually, perfectblue...a lot of them ''do'' exist. --] (]) 06:32, 6 March 2008 (UTC)
*''The Unidentified: Mythical Monsters, Alien Encounters, and Our Obsession with the Unexplained'' by ]. Author seems legitimate, book published by a major, well-reputed house.
::Feel free to add some inline citations. In relation to the above, what I meant was that the link that you provided demonstrated that there was a myth and suggested a source for it. That's no the same as proving that a myth is fact. In order to demonstrate that this was fact you'd basically need to find a cat with actual wings (bone, muscle, etc). - ] (]) 21:02, 17 February 2008 (UTC)
*''UFOs and the Deep State: A History of the Military and Shadow Government's War Against the Truth'' by ]. Prolific author, reputable publisher, but some of his claims are disputed, particularly with regard to Roswell.
*''The UFO Book: Encyclopedia of the Extraterrestrial'' by ]. Seems well-researched and reasonably objective (I have it in front of me) and the publisher is reputable, but it's also over 25 years old, so I'm concerned it's not up-to-date.
I'm aware that Doty himself is co-author of ''Exempt from Disclosure'' and that he's discussed in ''Alien Harvest'' by ], but the first is clearly a ] source and the second seems to be one as well, so I'm cautious of relying on them for anything remotely controversial.


Feel free to suggest additional sources or anything else that might be helpful. Additionally, as I'm new to this field, please let me know if there's a better place to post these questions. Thanks, ] (]) 20:48, 2 December 2024 (UTC)
Poor dirty deformed genetically altered critters. The article isn't promoting the paranormal, looks to me. The opposite. And perfectblue, it looks to me like they have pics of cats with extra limbs or furr extensions. ——''']'''</span> ] Ψ ]<span style="color:#ffffff;">——</span> 05:27, 19 February 2008 (UTC)


:Great project. I don't know if we can have a standalone BLP, but we certainly find SOMEWHERE to cover all the notable content about Doty, who is pivotal figure to 20th century UFO folklore.
::I can find pics of Bigfoot, but that doesn't mean that it's real. As ever the question here should not be whether winged cats are "real", but as to whether there is a real and sustained (verifiable and notable) myth about them, and 1) what the contents of the myth are 2) what it's origins are. Things would go much smoother if on Misplaced Pages if people stopped seeing things as to do with the paranormal as being things/object/happenings and viewed them more as beliefs/myths about things/objects/happenings. for example, it's near impossible to prove that somebody was abducted by aliens no matter how notable the story has become in popular culture (The hill abductions, for example), it's far more productive to record the fact that they believe that they were abducted and why/what happened in relation to it. The paranormal is 90% believing and 10% proving. - ] (]) 13:04, 23 February 2008 (UTC)
:The biggest roadblock is finding documentations about who "the real Doty is". Lots of books cover his notable UFO claims, but it'd be really important to pin down every autobiographical claim as well, rather than naively repeating a seemingly-innocuous claim.
:::The Sourcebook Project has enough reports of unexplained hominids that ''something'' is real, alright. Also, your argument seems to be at direct odds with discovering things, objectively, via empirical science. By such science, I am quite convinced UFOs, for instance, ''do'' exist...as well as people believing that they've seen such objectively real things. --] (]) 06:35, 6 March 2008 (UTC)
:For example, do we really even know if he was in the Air Force?
:In terms of books, Project Beta and Mirage Men are both very high-quality sources as to the role he had played in cattle mutilation and UFO folklore, the stuff that we really should cover somewhere. Randle is fringe, but often notable fringe. ] (]) 21:14, 4 December 2024 (UTC)

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    • Exploring the Paranormal Mysteries of Portal Fernández Concha

    Greetings, fellow enthusiasts of the unexplained and the mysterious,

    I'm delving into the fascinating history of Portal Fernández Concha, a building that stands as a testament to Santiago's rich cultural and paranormal tapestry. This location is not only an architectural marvel but also a hotbed for paranormal activity, making it a perfect subject for our community's expertise.

    Why Portal Fernández Concha?

    1. Variety of Paranormal Phenomena: The building is rife with reports of unexplained noises, such as marbles rolling in the dead of night, and sightings of apparitions, including the eerie "Hat Man" and the spirits of those who met tragic ends within its walls​​.
    2. Historical and Cultural Significance: Beyond its paranormal aspects, Portal Fernández Concha is a microcosm of Santiago's societal evolution, housing a diverse array of residents from different walks of life and historical periods​
    • .
    • Community Interest: The building is a focal point for local legend and has been included in paranormal tours, indicating a high level of public interest and engagement with its mysteries​
    1. .

    Collaboration Invitation

    I invite you to join me in expanding and refining the Misplaced Pages article on Portal Fernández Concha, with a focus on its paranormal aspects. Your insights, research skills, and passion for the paranormal can help us create a comprehensive, balanced, and captivating narrative.

    How You Can Help:

    • Research and Verification: Help in gathering and verifying accounts of paranormal activity, ensuring we rely on credible sources and eyewitness accounts.
    • Contextual Analysis: Provide analysis on how these paranormal phenomena fit within the broader context of Santiago's cultural and historical landscape.
    • Article Enhancement: Contribute to improving the article's structure and content, ensuring it meets Misplaced Pages's quality standards while captivating readers' imaginations.

    This is more than just an article improvement project; it's a chance to explore the intersection of history, culture, and the paranormal in one of Santiago's most enigmatic buildings. I look forward to your contributions and insights as we delve into the mysteries of Portal Fernández Concha together.

    Thank you for considering this collaboration. I'm excited to see where our combined efforts will lead us in uncovering the stories hidden within the walls of Portal Fernández Concha.

    Best regards, TraceySear840 (talk) 18:15, 27 January 2024 (UTC)

    Richard C. Doty

    Howdy! I've been editing Misplaced Pages for a few years, but most of editing activities have focused on WP:AVIATION. I've recently started perusing some UFO literature, and I've noticed that Richard C. Doty comes up repeatedly in a variety of sources, but he does not have a WP:BLP article. (The bluelinked article is a placeholder redirect I created after a recent RfD discussion revealed that there is a Richard L. Doty article on Misplaced Pages and consensus emerged to redirect Richard Doty there. End of sidetrack.)

    I'm thinking about creating an article but my major concern is sourcing, particularly given that Doty seems to have acquired an unsavory reputation in the UFO community, mostly relating to Paul Bennewitz. As this is a BLP article, I'm cautious of giving WP:UNDUE weight to WP:FRINGE views, or using information that has been debunked since its publication, which seems to happen frequently in ufology. To this end, I'd welcome any input on the following potential sources, in no particular order:

    • Project Beta: The Story of Paul Bennewitz, National Security, and the Creation of a Modern UFO Myth by Greg Bishop. Seems to be the most in-depth source of info directly relating to Paul Bennewitz, and it's published by a reputable company. My main concern is whether it's up-to-date and whether its content is disputed.
    • UFO Highway 2.0: Revisiting the Hidden Expanse by Anthony F. Sanchez. Possible red flag: clearly self-published; Strange Lights Publishing seems to exist primarily as a vehicle for Sanchez's work, and openly describes itself as such on its website. (At least it's forthright.)
    • The Trickster and the Paranormal by George P. Hansen. Possible red flag: published by Xlibris USA, reputed to be a self-publishing service with minimal editorial oversight. Furthermore, excerpts on Google Books seem to use lots of weasel words, although they are extensively footnoted.
    • Mirage Men: A Journey into Disinformation, Paranoia and UFOs by Mark Pilkington. The documentary based on this book alerted me to the topic. Author seems legitimate, book published by a major, well-reputed house. Main concern is whether the information is up-to-date.
    • The Unidentified: Mythical Monsters, Alien Encounters, and Our Obsession with the Unexplained by Colin Dickey. Author seems legitimate, book published by a major, well-reputed house.
    • UFOs and the Deep State: A History of the Military and Shadow Government's War Against the Truth by Kevin D. Randle. Prolific author, reputable publisher, but some of his claims are disputed, particularly with regard to Roswell.
    • The UFO Book: Encyclopedia of the Extraterrestrial by Jerome Clark. Seems well-researched and reasonably objective (I have it in front of me) and the publisher is reputable, but it's also over 25 years old, so I'm concerned it's not up-to-date.

    I'm aware that Doty himself is co-author of Exempt from Disclosure and that he's discussed in Alien Harvest by Linda Moulton Howe, but the first is clearly a WP:PRIMARY source and the second seems to be one as well, so I'm cautious of relying on them for anything remotely controversial.

    Feel free to suggest additional sources or anything else that might be helpful. Additionally, as I'm new to this field, please let me know if there's a better place to post these questions. Thanks, Carguychris (talk) 20:48, 2 December 2024 (UTC)

    Great project. I don't know if we can have a standalone BLP, but we certainly find SOMEWHERE to cover all the notable content about Doty, who is pivotal figure to 20th century UFO folklore.
    The biggest roadblock is finding documentations about who "the real Doty is". Lots of books cover his notable UFO claims, but it'd be really important to pin down every autobiographical claim as well, rather than naively repeating a seemingly-innocuous claim.
    For example, do we really even know if he was in the Air Force?
    In terms of books, Project Beta and Mirage Men are both very high-quality sources as to the role he had played in cattle mutilation and UFO folklore, the stuff that we really should cover somewhere. Randle is fringe, but often notable fringe. Feoffer (talk) 21:14, 4 December 2024 (UTC)
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