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	I don't see the point in listing the buses that stop at York, especially since right now it's woefully incomplete. York University's web page has a list of buses that serve the Keele campus, so perhaps one should just give an external link to that and make no attempt to copy all the info in the article?
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	* I agree. If no objections are posted here soon, I will remove that section. ] 06:08, 16 January 2006 (UTC)
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	How big is York's faculty of Arts? someone from U of T's Arts and Science faculty wants to know... ;) ] 04:02, 24 May 2004 (UTC)
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	I agree with the above comment. This page was obviously made by a staff at York trying to solicit new students. Someone needs to add in the various scandals at York such as the land deal, the Argo's stadium, the protestor police clashes, etc.
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	^ definitely! Not to mention its prominent aberration from standard campus cleanliness and verdure.
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	Changes have been made to the external links. Lets just leave the link for Yorku.ca only please. {{unsigned\|Yorkuniversity}}
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	I have made some changes that take into account some of the concerns. The article I think is still positive, but the most boastful text was edited or removed. A short section mentions the controversies, while trying to maintain neutrality. I think it could still use some work. ]
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	== From York PR... ==

	York University is the leading interdisciplinary research and teaching university in Canada. York offers a modern, academic experience at the undergraduate and graduate level in Toronto, Canada’s most international city. The third largest university in the country, York is host to a dynamic academic community of 50,000 students and 7,000 faculty and staff, as well as 180,000 alumni worldwide. York’s 10 faculties and 21 research centres conduct ambitious, groundbreaking research that is interdisciplinary, cutting across traditional academic boundaries. This distinctive and collaborative approach is preparing students for the future and bringing fresh insights and solutions to real-world challenges. York University is an autonomous, not-for-profit corporation. ]

	autonomous ...yes
	non-for-profit....??!!!!!!!!!!for god's sake be realistic JTBurman.

	== Remove POV check ==

	I believe that the article could still use some style clean-up but it is not POV. I suggest removing the tag. Any objections? ] (] 5 July 2005 02:26 (UTC)

	* I have no objections. ] 02:39, 16 July 2005 (UTC)

	== Constant Declining Reputation ==

	I removed the statement "Despite all this, York suffers from a constant declining reputation in the sciences amongst other known Universities. ". York's reputation in the Sciences has only been increasing in recent years, and they have excellent research and faculty. ] 03:51, 15 January 2006 (UTC)

	However, it is true. York University is made fun of all the time. Among university students, York is known for giving out easy marks. Whether if it is true or not, it doesn't matter much. That's how other university students view York. Science program in York is quite laughable. Even Nippissing guys make fun of the science program in York. Engineering program? I don't even want to start on that. ]

	Despite the common belief that york is the easy way to go, I have been proved wrong. As a former mechanical engineering student of UofT and current Space Engineering student of York,I can tell you that the engineering program at york is taken very seriously, as they are determined to compete with the other well established univerisities in the field. In fact in some cases in order to prove this quality, they have raised the standards so high that I almost wished I had switched to Aerospace engineering at UofT and stayed there (despite loosing a year).

	==Weasel words==
	"The Faculty of Fine Arts also enjoys an excellent reputation, offering programmes such as ethnomusicology and a degree in cultural criticism referred to as "cultural studies"; York's joint Bachelor of Design programme with Sheridan College is the first and largest such joint programme in the province of Ontario. York's Faculty of Education (also known as the "Toronto School of Liberal Education") is distinguished by the unusual amount of teaching experience that students acquire. The prestigious Osgoode Hall Law School is Canada's largest and among its oldest, having moved from a downtown location to the York campus in 1969 following the requirement that every law school affiliate with a university." ] 04:37, 10 April 2006 (UTC)

	:*And? If you have that big a problem, remove the "excellent reputation" part of it, otherwise it seems fine... certainly no reason to tag the article. ] 04:44, 10 April 2006 (UTC)

	==External links==

	I have a question. How come related links such as Schulich and Osgoode Law school are always removed? Does the person who watches this page not go to York? I do, and let me tell you, they are vital parts of the school, so I think they should be put back. Anyone else agree? {{unsigned\|130.63.18.226}}
	:They already have their own articles, why do they also need links? <span style="border: 1px solid green;"><font style="background: green" face="Arial" color="#FFFFFF">]</font></span> 21:09, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

	I've seen a lot of people use wikipedia, for quick info, and what do they do most often? The scroll down to related links. Most people are in a rush to get info and don't really bother reading the whole article. {{unsigned\|130.63.18.226}}
	:]. <span style="border: 1px solid green;"><font style="background: green" face="Arial" color="#FFFFFF">]</font></span> 21:22, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

	I will not edit war with you, I'll simply dispute it. One link != links. ] 20:32, 22 April 2006 (UTC)
	:Ardenn, I've seen you turn "link" to "links" on many articles without interfering before, but enough is enough. If the person who first put the section up used links, then links should stand. There is no consensus, so what makes you think your preference should prevail? You're far too free with these factual accuracy warnings. Not only is it a minor issue, but there are actually not any facts in dispute (it's just a preference we're talking about here). Also, since there is likely not going to be a ruling on an official Misplaced Pages preference here, the ugly warning would stay up indefinitely were it not for someone, like me, taking it down. -- ]] 20:44, 22 April 2006 (UTC)
	::Er, obviously I meant you turn "links" to "link". -- ]] 20:47, 22 April 2006 (UTC)

	::This is an encyclopedia, and it should be correct factually/spelling/gramatically. ] 20:48, 22 April 2006 (UTC)

	:::Some might argue that not only is always using "links" consistent (another worthy goal of an encyclopedia), but it is actually perfectly gramatically correct, as it is referring to the name of a section where links may be placed. Whether there are one or more is irrelevant. -- ]] 21:09, 22 April 2006 (UTC)

	*So let's add a second link and we can change it back to "links." does that work? ] 20:57, 22 April 2006 (UTC)
	**A relevant second link would work. ] 20:59, 22 April 2006 (UTC)
	***But that would be the wimpy way out. Clearly, if there is no policy on one use over the other, and there is obviously a good split between those who are on one side versus those on the other, then someone has to stand down, and it should be those who want the use other than the one that was originally there. -- ]] 21:09, 22 April 2006 (UTC)
	****I simply see it as a compromise so we don't have to argue over it forever. I think it's a reasonable compromise, or are you not willing to work with your fellow editors? ] 21:17, 22 April 2006 (UTC)
	*****Of course I'm willing to work with my fellow editors. The problem, however, is that there really are no facts in dispute (so the warning is itself incorrect), and without a solution to the issue in sight it would stay on the page forever. If such a warning goes up here, should it not go up on every page where one person wants "-ise" while another wants "-ize"? -- ]] 21:25, 22 April 2006 (UTC)
	******So, no, it's not a reasonable compromise, if it is to be a fixture. It's a blight on the article that should only go up if there is a reasonable expectation of the factual accuracy dispute being resolved. -- ]] 21:28, 22 April 2006 (UTC)
	*******That's not the point of the template. ]. ] 21:33, 22 April 2006 (UTC)

	*Now that I'm doing rolling my eyes at the complete absurdity of this argument. I've added a second link and removed the dispute template. I'm 100% on Osgoodelawyers side on this dispute, Ardenn, you seem to be blowing a totally unimportant issue '''way''' out of proportion. Furthermore, the title "External Links" refers to the section, a section for links to pages outside of Wiki, it does not actively describe the contents, but rather describes the intent of the section. Either way, problem solved. ] 21:41, 22 April 2006 (UTC)

	'''''FYI — policy on the "link" vs. "links" dispute is ]. — ] (] • ]) 21:56, 27 April 2006 (UTC)'''''

	===Oh, seriously===
	The passage Mike refers to is ''Some editors use the header ''External link'' if there is only one link, but others use ''External link'''s''''' in all cases. There is currently no consensus on the preferred style.''

	Please read it in conjunction with this general policy on '''disputes over style issues''' from ]: ''In June 2005, the ] ruled that, when either of two styles is acceptable, it is inappropriate for a Misplaced Pages editor to change from one style to another unless there is some substantial reason for the change. For example, with respect to British spelling as opposed to American spelling, it would only be acceptable to change from American spelling to British spelling if the article concerned a British topic. Revert warring over optional styles is unacceptable; if the article uses ] rather than ], it would be wrong to switch simply to change styles, although editors should ensure that articles are internally consistent. If in doubt, defer to the style used by the first major contributor. See ].''

	::(rolling my eyes) ] \| ] 23:24, 27 April 2006 (UTC).

	*Seriously folks, who cares? Is it really an issue, ''at all''? - ] 01:23, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

	===Noted Students===
	I removed the "noted students" section, which formerly contained exactly one name, that of Daniel Freeman-Maloy. The reasons for the removal are:
	(1) there was only one student in the section. Thus, it was not a useful way of listing noted students.
	(2) Daniel Freeman-Maloy is relevant in that he has raised controversy about York. Thus, he is mentioned in the "controversy" section. He is not notable in other ways: he has not had a brilliant career, he has not made a great discovery, etc. He is not really "notable" as a student in the way that, say, students who were well-known actors or who had won Rhodes scholarships or anything else would be.


	Alumni
	Not sure exactly where to post this, but I noticed that k-os was listed under the almuni and removed him as he is not technically an "alumni" seeing as how he left the university in his first year and did not return. <small>—The preceding ] comment was added by ] (]) {{{Time\|15:05, August 20, 2007 (UTC)}}}</small><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

	==Academics==
	I'm not bold enough to make the changes myself (I'm kind of biased), however...
	"The Schulich School of Business, which figures in a number of MBA rankings, offers an International Business Administration program 'which is the first of its kind in Canada'" (emphasis mine). I have an issue with this statement, but as the York website also makes this claim, it is difficult to refute. A York student even reminded me recently that their program was modeled after the Bachelor of International Business program at Carleton (which I am currently taking, hence I'm biased), which is approximately 11 years old. -- ] 05:52, 21 July 2006 (UTC)
	:Agreed. ] 02:43, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

	==Third Largest==
	I noticed someone had changed "second largest" to "third largest". Which school has more students than York, other than U of T? ] 00:18, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
	: Université de Montréal
	: Thanks! I had no idea U de M was that big. ] 03:48, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

	==Alumni includes Osgoode?==


	I wonder if it is really fair to include pre-affiliation (and even pre founding of York) graduates of Osgoode Law School as alumni of York. I have made a small change to reflect my concerns. Feel free to solve the problem in your own way. (At the moment, it is mostly a problem of dates - people who would have been very old men at the time of York's foundation, as mentioned in the introduction, are listed as alumni; it may be acceptable to include pre-affiliation Osgoode, but I think you need to make it clear.)
	Nitangae
	: I agree that this should be made clear. I moved this comment to a line after the title rather than in the title itself. It would be nice if someone noted to which graduates this applies; I don't know which ones they are. ] 04:54, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

	=="Yeowomen" is not a real word==

	"Popular sentiment ran against the name scheme however, as many students noted that a "yeowoman" was fictitious, neither a real word nor possessed of any historical merit. After extensive internal study a polling a name change was proposed which came to fruition in 2003. York's "Yeomen" and "Yeowomen" were no more, and in their place the "Lions" emerged."

	Amazingly, I used to hear a lot of UofT students say to me and to one another that "Yeoman" is not a word (e.g. "duh! What's a Yeoman?"). In one such conversation, I also had an argument with them about the existence of the word "matriculation". I argued that it existed; they argued that it did not. "Matriculation" is obviouly something that was made up by dumb York students.
	The name 'Lions' did not "emerge". This "extensive internal study" was done by a PR agency, as part of a larger rebranding effort. This discussion should reflect this
	: If you know enough about the topic to improve the discussion, then ] and go for it! ] 03:47, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

	== Pond Road ==

	Nowhere does the article mention the different residences, just colleges. Should Pond Road Residence not be somewhere there? It's the biggest rez on campus, and the most popular/difficult to get into (or so they say). ] 04:09, 10 September 2006 (UTC)

	==Pov==
	There are many instances of promotion in the article. Please cite. ] (] • ]) 00:22, 23 September 2006 (UTC)

	== Size of campus ==

	This article claims that York has the largest campus of any Canadian university, which I don't believe is true. According to Misplaced Pages itself, York has a campus of 263 hectares, while UBC has a campus of 402 hectares. Can someone explain this discrepancy?

	As I understood it, York was the third largest in all of Canada, second to UBC and U of T. ] 02:36, 30 September 2006 (UTC)

	== Number of Students ==

	Last year I heard there were about 75,000 students at York. This year I heard, from a professor, that there are about 67,000. Does anyone have an accurate, up to date count?

	== York Commons ==

	Says "A roadway circulating the park and the buildings serves soley for use by TTC and GO buses." This is not entirely true, as the signs say (I'm not 100% sure of each word, but I am of the meaning) 'service vehicles only'. Mostly it's used by TTC and GO, but I see taxies, armoured cars, security, and a few other service vehicles around there.

			== Proposed merge with ] ==
	== Jealousy ==

			University department section fits better in university's own article, rather than separately. ] (]) 21:24, 26 February 2018 (UTC)
	There should be more in this article about the jealousy that York students have towards U of T, their intellectual superior. Also how it's full of people who couldn't get into U of T in the first place... <small>—Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 22:10, 10 September 2007 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
			* '''Oppose''' - While this page needs much better sourcing and formatting, it is independently notable from the university. ] (]) 23:43, 8 March 2018 (UTC)
			* '''Merge or improve''' - the Faculty of Health article is seriously short of citations, to the extent that it would probably not survive an AfD without a major face-lift. It could be that such a face-lift is possible, in which case that would be an alternative to merging. It can't stand separately in its current form though. ]<sup><small>]</small></sup> 00:42, 9 March 2018 (UTC)
			* '''Merge or improve'''. I had independently come to the same conclusion as User:Zero0000. ] (]) 14:03, 15 April 2018 (UTC)
			* '''Oppose''' - subject meets notability criteria. Other faculties have their articles (], ], ] and ]) and other subject lower on the hierarchy and less-known have their articles: such as ] or ]. On the other hand, the article could use more well-sourced information.--] (]) 11:53, 10 July 2018 (UTC)

			== References ==
	York has world renowned Law and MBA schools. Does U of T even begin to compare in that department? What jealousy is there? ] <small>—Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 14:56, 31 December 2007 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

			== Transit section removal ==
	==FREEMASONRY?==

	My ~~friend~~ ~~that~~ ~~goes~~ to ~~York~~ ~~tells~~ me of a ~~York~~ ~~Rite~~ ~~Freemasonic~~ ~~Lodge~~ on ~~Campus...is~~ it ~~really~~ ~~true?~~ ~~Could~~ ~~someone~~ ~~please~~ ~~confirm~~ ~~this,~~ ~~and~~ ~~add~~ this to ~~the~~ ~~list~~ of ~~secret~~ ~~societies/fraternities~~ ~~that~~ ~~operate~~ on ~~York~~ Campus? ~~<small>—Preceding~~ ] ~~comment~~ ~~added~~ by --] (]) 17:30, 14 ~~March~~ ~~2008~~ (UTC)~~]</small>~~		This was removed as "advertorial". It seems to me to be both relevant and useful information that it would be quite likely many readers would come to this article specifically in search of. I can see thinking it would be more appropriate to the Keele Campus article, but to get rid of it altogether seems over the top. ] (]) 23:11, 28 August 2018 (UTC)
	:I ~~have no idea but~~ it ~~could~~ be ~~someone~~ is ~~confusing~~ ] ~~with~~ ], ~~different~~ ~~Yorks~~. ] (] 17:48, 14 ~~March~~ ~~2008~~ (UTC)		: I think it can be kept, but all promotionalism should be excised before re-adding similar content. ] (]) 00:43, 29 August 2018 (UTC)

			== Possible Addition to Controversies Section ==
	== Underground Exploration ==

			I think this article about a York University faculty member being fired for anti-Semitic social media posts is relevant and should be included. This individual is not a student, but a faculty member of York University. Therefore his actions represent the university as he is employed by them. Does anyone agree or disagree with including this article? Input is welcome. <ref>{{cite web \|url=https://globalnews.ca/news/2945561/york-university-fires-faculty-member-after-alleged-anti-semitic-social-media-posts/}}</ref>
	I have added this to external ref's in accordance with ] and ]. It may be controversial but it seems notable - and somewhat cool, hope it stays! ] (]) 09:07, 30 January 2008 (UTC)
			:Thanks for opening the discussion! As you can see from my edits, I am opposed to including this information. We have to be very selective about what we include in this article and this seems like just a one-off event without significant or lasting importance for the university. If it develops into something more then of course we can revisit the issue and reconsider it. ] (]) 14:58, 16 August 2019 (UTC)
	:Throwing in that link is a good idea, I was actually thinking of adding a section dealing with the underground network and throwing up some of my own pictures. Not that it is particularly important or anything but it does make the article just a little more comprehensive if anything. ] (]) 07:02, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

	== Keele Campus Expansion ==

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	The article dealing with the buildings located at the ] needs to be further expanded, about half the buildings or more are missing, the history behind many of the buildings is also not comprehensive. Please help to expand it and visit the for images etc. ] (]) 07:10, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

	== ~~Journals~~ ~~section?~~ ==		== Undue weight ==
	Several eminent journals are edited by York faculty, including ] and ]. I believe a prominent economics journal is about to move to York as well and there are bound to be others. Is there interest in developing a sub-section listing these? It would be useful information for graduate students who wish to get work experience at a journal in their field.... -] (]) 10:23, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

			{{re\|Sportsfan 1234}} You reverted my edit of adding antisemitism to student life for being ]. I included about 14 different independent and reliable sources. This is more than literally the entire rest of the student life section. Could you elaborate on your issues so I can address them? ] (]) <small>(please ] ] me on reply)</small><!--Template:Please ping--> 00:22, 16 October 2023 (UTC)
	== More controversy ==

			:this is a useful section to include about this university ] (]) 14:58, 23 October 2023 (UTC)
	I'm surprised there is zero mention regarding the ongoing security issues York is facing, such as sexual assaults that take place on campus and the resulting complains brought by many student groups over poorly lit areas.

			== Moving information under Antisemitism section to 2024 Pro-Palestinian protests on University campuses page ==
	If anything, someone needs to add the recent racist graffiti that was scrawled at York, the resulting student reactions and the notable length of time it took for the administration to respond. ] (]) 19:37, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

			The antisemitism section has problems with ] and even ]. As comparison, the page for ] has one short paragraph about protests over the ]. Yet, protests on Columbia University's campuses have been - and continue to be - covered numerously in the media. I propose that part of the Antisemitism section, especially parts related to the ], be moved to ], where it is more appropriate.] (]) 20:54, 23 May 2024 (UTC)
	== Hm? ==

			:{{re\|Pillarfog}} The claims of antisemitism at York University dates back over a decade before the current conflict. In fact, only one part of that section (the January 2024 letter from CUPE 3903) even occurred in 2024. Since the 2024 pro-Palestinian protests on university campuses article cover events from April 2024 onwards, I'm not sure how this fits in there, especially given that York University doesn't even have an encampment.
	Do not get me wrong, I'm a York student and I LOVE my university, but I'm curious, is it me, or does this article look like an ad? <small>—Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 14:28, 20 February 2008 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
			:I'm not sure how this is ] either. I could understand that claim if you felt that there was too much emphasis on recent events, but the section covers antisemitic incidents dating back to 2009. It's a major part of the university's history and reputation.
			:The comparison with Columbia University doesn't make sense given that York's section isn't about recent protests relating to the Israel-Hamas war but instead about a several events dating back to 2009. <span class="nowrap">] (]) <small>(please ] me on reply)</small></span> 21:36, 23 May 2024 (UTC)
			::The ] page is redirected from a non-dated Pro-Palestinian protests on university campuses (https://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Pro-Palestinian_protests_on_university_campuses&redirect=no) page and therefore parts of the Antisemitism section could apply to ]. But, the broader issue is that though antisemitism is important and deserving of some mention on the page, it's being given ] weight as it currently stands.
			::The Antisemitism section is of similar size and prominence on the page as the Notable people section. Having a section this large that impacts the ] of the page is unprecedented in other university pages that I researched. Example: ]. This is a school which has had antisemitism issues covered in mainstream media, but has a more balanced antisemitism section on their page. Also: ], which is another school that has had antisemitism issues covered prominently in the media, but with nothing mentioned on their page. My recommendation is that the Antisemitism section be reduced to appropriate ] or at the least return it back to the Student life section. ] (]) 18:42, 20 June 2024 (UTC)

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Proposed merge with York University Faculty of Health

University department section fits better in university's own article, rather than separately. Tacyarg (talk) 21:24, 26 February 2018 (UTC)

Oppose - While this page needs much better sourcing and formatting, it is independently notable from the university. Isingness (talk) 23:43, 8 March 2018 (UTC)
Merge or improve - the Faculty of Health article is seriously short of citations, to the extent that it would probably not survive an AfD without a major face-lift. It could be that such a face-lift is possible, in which case that would be an alternative to merging. It can't stand separately in its current form though. Zero 00:42, 9 March 2018 (UTC)
Merge or improve. I had independently come to the same conclusion as User:Zero0000. Narky Blert (talk) 14:03, 15 April 2018 (UTC)
Oppose - subject meets notability criteria. Other faculties have their articles (Business, Glendon, Engineering and Law) and other subject lower on the hierarchy and less-known have their articles: such as Las Nubes Rainforest Preserve or Robarts Centre for Canadian Studies. On the other hand, the article could use more well-sourced information.--Jetam2 (talk) 11:53, 10 July 2018 (UTC)

References

Transit section removal

This was removed as "advertorial". It seems to me to be both relevant and useful information that it would be quite likely many readers would come to this article specifically in search of. I can see thinking it would be more appropriate to the Keele Campus article, but to get rid of it altogether seems over the top. 207.107.159.242 (talk) 23:11, 28 August 2018 (UTC)

I think it can be kept, but all promotionalism should be excised before re-adding similar content. Isingness (talk) 00:43, 29 August 2018 (UTC)

Possible Addition to Controversies Section

I think this article about a York University faculty member being fired for anti-Semitic social media posts is relevant and should be included. This individual is not a student, but a faculty member of York University. Therefore his actions represent the university as he is employed by them. Does anyone agree or disagree with including this article? Input is welcome.

Thanks for opening the discussion! As you can see from my edits, I am opposed to including this information. We have to be very selective about what we include in this article and this seems like just a one-off event without significant or lasting importance for the university. If it develops into something more then of course we can revisit the issue and reconsider it. ElKevbo (talk) 14:58, 16 August 2019 (UTC)

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https://globalnews.ca/news/2945561/york-university-fires-faculty-member-after-alleged-anti-semitic-social-media-posts/. {{cite web}}: Missing or empty |title= (help)

Undue weight

@Sportsfan 1234: You reverted my edit of adding antisemitism to student life for being WP:UNDUE. I included about 14 different independent and reliable sources. This is more than literally the entire rest of the student life section. Could you elaborate on your issues so I can address them? Chess (talk) (please mention me on reply) 00:22, 16 October 2023 (UTC)

this is a useful section to include about this university QQQspadesQQQ (talk) 14:58, 23 October 2023 (UTC)

Moving information under Antisemitism section to 2024 Pro-Palestinian protests on University campuses page

The antisemitism section has problems with WP:UNDUE and even WP:POV forking. As comparison, the page for Columbia University has one short paragraph about protests over the Israel-Hamas war. Yet, protests on Columbia University's campuses have been - and continue to be - covered numerously in the media. I propose that part of the Antisemitism section, especially parts related to the Israel-Hamas war, be moved to 2024 pro-Palestinian protests on university campuses, where it is more appropriate.Pillarfog (talk) 20:54, 23 May 2024 (UTC)

@Pillarfog: The claims of antisemitism at York University dates back over a decade before the current conflict. In fact, only one part of that section (the January 2024 letter from CUPE 3903) even occurred in 2024. Since the 2024 pro-Palestinian protests on university campuses article cover events from April 2024 onwards, I'm not sure how this fits in there, especially given that York University doesn't even have an encampment.

I'm not sure how this is WP:UNDUE either. I could understand that claim if you felt that there was too much emphasis on recent events, but the section covers antisemitic incidents dating back to 2009. It's a major part of the university's history and reputation.

The comparison with Columbia University doesn't make sense given that York's section isn't about recent protests relating to the Israel-Hamas war but instead about a several events dating back to 2009. Chess (talk) (please mention me on reply) 21:36, 23 May 2024 (UTC)

The 2024 pro-Palestinian protests on university campuses page is redirected from a non-dated Pro-Palestinian protests on university campuses (https://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Pro-Palestinian_protests_on_university_campuses&redirect=no) page and therefore parts of the Antisemitism section could apply to 2024 pro-Palestinian protests on university campuses. But, the broader issue is that though antisemitism is important and deserving of some mention on the page, it's being given WP:UNDUE weight as it currently stands.

The Antisemitism section is of similar size and prominence on the page as the Notable people section. Having a section this large that impacts the WP:BALANCE of the page is unprecedented in other university pages that I researched. Example: City University of New York. This is a school which has had antisemitism issues covered in mainstream media, but has a more balanced antisemitism section on their page. Also: Concordia University, which is another school that has had antisemitism issues covered prominently in the media, but with nothing mentioned on their page. My recommendation is that the Antisemitism section be reduced to appropriate WP:BALANCE or at the least return it back to the Student life section. Pillarfog (talk) 18:42, 20 June 2024 (UTC)

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