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The result was '''Keep''' --] 23:31, 1 May 2008 (UTC)
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He appears unlikely to make the major league roster anytime soon if he does, failing that part of ]. While his college career was good, it is not impressive enough to satisfy notability. If anything his notability has decreased in the past two years with a very unimpressive minor league career. ] 01:40, 20 April 2008 (UTC) He appears unlikely to make the major league roster anytime soon if he does, failing that part of ]. While his college career was good, it is not impressive enough to satisfy notability. If anything his notability has decreased in the past two years with a very unimpressive minor league career. ] 01:40, 20 April 2008 (UTC)
* '''Keep''' google search and show his notability. <span style="border:1px dashed Grey;padding:1px;"><small>&nbsp;]&nbsp;|&nbsp;]&nbsp;</small></span> 03:57, 20 April 2008 (UTC) * '''Keep''' google search and show his notability. <span style="border:1px dashed Grey;padding:1px;"><small>&nbsp;]&nbsp;|&nbsp;]&nbsp;</small></span> 03:57, 20 April 2008 (UTC)
* '''Keep''' by simply being an elite college baseball player, he has already played at the "highest level of amateur sports". There are also numerous reliable sources which provide great detail on his life and career. He hasn't lost notability by being drafted in the first round of the MLB Draft and played professionally.--] (]) 06:32, 20 April 2008 (UTC) * '''Keep''' by simply being an elite college baseball player, he has already played at the "highest level of amateur sports". There are also numerous reliable sources which provide great detail on his life and career. He hasn't lost notability by being drafted in the first round of the MLB Draft and played professionally.--] (]) 06:32, 20 April 2008 (UTC)
:Actually, he hasn't played professionally. That's the point I was trying to make. ] 14:20, 20 April 2008 (UTC) :Actually, he hasn't played professionally. That's the point I was trying to make. ] 14:20, 20 April 2008 (UTC)
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*'''Note'''He has played professionally, just not in the Major Leagues yet. There is a big difference.--] (]) 19:43, 20 April 2008 (UTC) *'''Note'''He has played professionally, just not in the Major Leagues yet. There is a big difference.--] (]) 19:43, 20 April 2008 (UTC)
:So, you're saying we should have an article on every minor league player ever, basically. ] 21:39, 20 April 2008 (UTC) :So, you're saying we should have an article on every minor league player ever, basically. ] 21:39, 20 April 2008 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' Minor league records show no all-star appearances. At this time, he doesnt meet the qualifications. ] (]) 23:57, 20 April 2008 (UTC)
:I think all first round picks in the MLB Draft are considered high prospects, especially ones that have multiple independent sources such as this one--] (]) 09:47, 21 April 2008 (UTC)
::The only sources listed on his article are the Red Sox site and his college team website. How does that equate with "multiple independent sources"? The Google news link listed in this afd contains mostly trivial mentions. ] (]) 15:36, 21 April 2008 (UTC)
::A simple google search reveals articles by , and . Also, the external link to soxprospects.com is an independent web site, not an affiliate of the Red Soxl. See what I mean about multiple non-trivial independent sources?--] (]) 16:25, 21 April 2008 (UTC)
*'''Keep:''' The main point of confusion as I see it is that this individual has had two distinct careers in baseball. His current professional career has not been notable yet by ] standards, but his amateur career was distinguished and noteworthy. Numerous national awards are evidence of his play at the "highest level of amateur sports". A valid comparison would be someone who had played in the Olympics but then never played professionally or had a very brief uneventful professional career. Olympians are automatically notable regardless of whatever else they pursue in life. His lackluster professional career would not cancel out his already established amateur notability. ] (]) 17:01, 21 April 2008 (UTC)
**I dunno if that's a valid comparison, his college career was certainly not Olympian good. ] 00:07, 26 April 2008 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' ]. ] (]) 17:34, 23 April 2008 (UTC)
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*'''Keep''' - per ], the subjects college career was notable even though his professional career hasn't been (yet). ] ] 03:27, 26 April 2008 (UTC)
*'''Keep''' Who cares if he fails the criteria for professional sportspeople? He's been named an All-American multiple times: that's surely sufficient. It's like politicians: local politicians aren't notable, but if Bill Clinton decided to run for local office and won it, that wouldn't make him nonnotable. ] (]) 20:44, 26 April 2008 (UTC)
*'''Keep''' The article needs more sources and some actual information about his professional career wouldn't hurt, but he clearly passes ] - competed at both the highest level of amateur sports and in a fully-professional league. ] (]) 23:03, 27 April 2008 (UTC)
*'''Keep:''' He's in his second season of professional baseball. That's a ''prima facie'' pass. ] 15:29, 28 April 2008 (UTC)


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The result was Keep --JForget 23:31, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

Daniel Bard

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He appears unlikely to make the major league roster anytime soon if he does, failing that part of WP:BIO. While his college career was good, it is not impressive enough to satisfy notability. If anything his notability has decreased in the past two years with a very unimpressive minor league career. Wizardman 01:40, 20 April 2008 (UTC)

Actually, he hasn't played professionally. That's the point I was trying to make. Wizardman 14:20, 20 April 2008 (UTC)
So, you're saying we should have an article on every minor league player ever, basically. Wizardman 21:39, 20 April 2008 (UTC)
I think all first round picks in the MLB Draft are considered high prospects, especially ones that have multiple independent sources such as this one--Thomas.macmillan (talk) 09:47, 21 April 2008 (UTC)
The only sources listed on his article are the Red Sox site and his college team website. How does that equate with "multiple independent sources"? The Google news link listed in this afd contains mostly trivial mentions. Spanneraol (talk) 15:36, 21 April 2008 (UTC)
A simple google search reveals articles by Baseball America, The Boston Globe and Sons of Sam Horn. Also, the external link to soxprospects.com is an independent web site, not an affiliate of the Red Soxl. See what I mean about multiple non-trivial independent sources?--Thomas.macmillan (talk) 16:25, 21 April 2008 (UTC)
  • Keep: The main point of confusion as I see it is that this individual has had two distinct careers in baseball. His current professional career has not been notable yet by WP:BASEBALL standards, but his amateur career was distinguished and noteworthy. Numerous national awards are evidence of his play at the "highest level of amateur sports". A valid comparison would be someone who had played in the Olympics but then never played professionally or had a very brief uneventful professional career. Olympians are automatically notable regardless of whatever else they pursue in life. His lackluster professional career would not cancel out his already established amateur notability. Kinston eagle (talk) 17:01, 21 April 2008 (UTC)
  • Delete WP:BIO. Wishtoremainanon (talk) 17:34, 23 April 2008 (UTC)
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  • Keep - per Kinston eagle, the subjects college career was notable even though his professional career hasn't been (yet). Doc Tropics 03:27, 26 April 2008 (UTC)
  • Keep Who cares if he fails the criteria for professional sportspeople? He's been named an All-American multiple times: that's surely sufficient. It's like politicians: local politicians aren't notable, but if Bill Clinton decided to run for local office and won it, that wouldn't make him nonnotable. Nyttend (talk) 20:44, 26 April 2008 (UTC)
  • Keep The article needs more sources and some actual information about his professional career wouldn't hurt, but he clearly passes WP:ATHLETE - competed at both the highest level of amateur sports and in a fully-professional league. Mlaffs (talk) 23:03, 27 April 2008 (UTC)
  • Keep: He's in his second season of professional baseball. That's a prima facie pass.  Ravenswing  15:29, 28 April 2008 (UTC)


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