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Here's a question for the ages. Is a gravity bong really a bong if the smoke is never filtered through water? Go ahead and marinate on that for a little while. ] 04:42 Dec 5, 2002 (UTC)
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Good point. I once saw a guy make a gravity bong out of one of those 5-gallon (or whatever) water jugs that you put on top of a water cooler... It was a sight to see. Needless to say, he wasn't that bright. --] 00:14 Dec 6, 2002 (UTC)
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:I've heard of people using toilets, but I think it's an urban legend. Flushing would just be too powerful unless you used a couple ounces of smokables, I think. It's a cool idea, though--add that to my list of things to do in Amsterdam. ] 00:20 Dec 6, 2002 (UTC)


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== A better diagram would make the article look nicer. ==
Maybe, to avoid the issue of if a gravity bong is still a bong, this article should be moved to ] -- it's the most commonly used term in the US, anyway. Does anybody know about bongs in other countries? ]


The cartoon style diagram used currently is unprofessional.
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A style similar to this would be ideal: https://imgur.com/a/ZtowKoI
"A water pipe or bong is a device used for smoking cannabis,"


The mathematics of the bong could be elaborated on. See www.tiny.cc/smokeDoja for some context on bong mathematics
Cannabis is a genus (and so should be capitalized). The equivalent would be to say Philip Morris makes Nicotiana cigarettes. How about we just saw marijuana, or is there some political/advocacy reason for this euphemism? ] 09:50, 16 Feb 2004 (UTC)


cheers
There are three species of ''cannabis'' that I'm aware of: ''sativa'', ''indica'', and ''ruderalis''. While the last is known as hemp and is seldom, if ever, smoked; the former two are smoked and as such it can't be referred to as one species. Marijuana does generically mean one or both species, but the word has non-NPOV connotations as far as a lot of people are concerned. Calling the plant by its genus is an elegant solution to the neutrality issue. ] 10:42, 16 Feb 2004 (UTC)
:Throughout most of the world, ''cannabis'' (lower-case c) is the common name that also happens to be identical to the scientific name for the genus. We should no more capitalize the ''c'' in ''cannabis'' than the ''p'' in ''primates'' just because it is also the Latin name for an order of mammals. ] 17:54, Feb 16, 2004 (UTC)


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:::Except that ] says, right above your comment, that he's using it not as a common name, ''but as a genus name''. And genus names, according to ] are ''always'' capitalized. ] 18:31, 16 Feb 2004 (UTC)


== A word irks me ==
::::I believe this article should refer to the plant using the common name, not the taxonomical genus. ] 19:29, Feb 16, 2004 (UTC)


''In the bong shown in the photo, the '''gas''' flows from the lower port on the left to the upper port on the right.''
:::::Yeah, me too. ;) That's why I started this thread. Now, by common name, do you mean "marijuana"? ] 19:31, 16 Feb 2004 (UTC)


The word gas sounds pretentious, smoke would be more appropriate.
::::::I prefer ''cannabis'' because it refers to any plant of the three species (while ''marijuana'' doesn't include hemp) and is used in all the English speaking countries, even the United States (''marijuana'' is an American word). ]


Don't mean to be rude.
:::::::Marijuana was a word adopted by the US the early twentieth century from Spannish American/Native American roots. It was a deliberate tactic by media moguls, in a country split by race, to add add to the mystique and fear of the substance in society. There is therefore, intrinisically, slightly racist overtones in widely applying the term marijuana, as well as it being POV. ] 10:20, 30 Nov 2004 (UTC)


:Is it ], ], ], ], or something else? What do reliable sources use? (] ]) 15:17, 29 July 2022 (UTC)
:When 'cannabis' is used to refer to a type of plant, as it is here, then it's an improper noun and doesn't take a capital C. ] 07:29, 21 Nov 2004 (UTC)


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Why is ] in "see also"? --] 04:49, Apr 22, 2004 (UTC)
Hakim Abul Fath invented the waterpipe in India, and discovered tobacco


Tobacco wasn’t discovered by this person. It was discovered in ancient Mesoamerica. ] (]) 03:41, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
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This may be a nitpick.. but I don't consider the glass pipe in the picture to be a "bong". I've always heard such pieces referred to either as simply a "pipe" or a "bubbler", if it uses water filtration, which this particular piece may or may not. Maybe I'm just looking at it wrong, though, it does look kind of weird :) ] 07:22, Jul 8, 2004 (UTC)

:This piece does use water filtration; the maker has called this kind of pipe a bubbler as well as a bong (he's my roommate). I think "bubbler" is just a colloquial name for a bong (although maybe it's only used for some kinds of bong?)
:You're right, though, that you can't really see what's going on inside - I haven't got a picture of any of the mostly-clear ones he's made. In any case, inside the can (the big part on the bottom) there's a downstem from the bowl designed to reach under water and allow the smoke to bubble through. --] 05:28, 11 Jul 2004 (UTC)
::Around my way, a bubbler is a kind of bong. It is smaller and generally shaped like a pipe, but uses water like an upright bong. The picture does not appear to be of a bubbler by this definition, since it stands upright. ] 20:06, Sep 10, 2004 (UTC)
::I think it is a bong. After all the principles involved are exactly the same ones described here. I updated the caption on the image to reflect this fact and I think it really helps bring it to light. ] 05:57, 7 Apr 2005 (UTC)

== changed picture, old one is archived here ==

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I changed the image to one that is more clear about the technical nature of this device. It was adopted from the German Misplaced Pages article of the same title. The old picture is archived here in case anyone in the future can use it. ] 03:18, 6 Apr 2005 (UTC)

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has that anything to do with ] ? etymology or smthn? (] 18:13, 21 Apr 2005 (UTC))

== Terminology ==

There is a huge disconnection in terminology between different readers and editors of this article; I suggest we try to find some way to consolidate it all, find unique terms for this article, and document the variants that are known. This should help keep the article more consistent and at the same time also illustrate how terms/slang for a bong can change depending on location. I'll start it off; this list is organized with the term from the article listed first and then alternate names and location listed under it. ] 18:34, 29 Apr 2005 (UTC)

* '''Gravity bong'''
** The same thing as a ''']''' in this article. Southern California, United States. ] 18:34, 29 Apr 2005 (UTC)

* '''Waterfall bong'''
** This was called a ] bong in Southern California, United States. ] 18:34, 29 Apr 2005 (UTC)

* '''Carb'''
** Anything that helps the user purge the bong of smoke. This can either be a simple hole in the bong or the removable bowl style (slide carb as mentioned in the article). Southern California, United States. ] 18:34, 29 Apr 2005 (UTC)

This list should be split into '''Bongs''' and '''Parts of a Bong''' --] 03:55, 16 August 2005 (UTC)

:"Carb" - also: Shotty, Shotgun, Rush-Hole, Choke
:"Bowlpiece" - also: Bowl, Conepiece, Cone, Coney, C.P.
:"Stem" - also: Hose

What confused me for a long time whilst listening to Cypress and other bonging musicians was the use of the word bowl. In Aus, the "mull-bowl" or "bowl" is where the cannabis is chopped up, and picked from whilst packing cones. --] 04:41, 16 August 2005 (UTC)

== History ==

Someone on the peer review page asked for some history; I noticed in the American Heritage Dictionary that the word '''bong''' comes from the Thai word, ''baung''. Maybe one of the bong experts here could add some explanation how the thing we know as a bong developed out of the thing known in Thai as a baung. --] 21:57, July 20, 2005 (UTC)

== Why replace the patents section? ==

I don't see why the patent section belongs in here; I don't know of any other article that has a list like that and it really makes this article ugly while contributing little. From the ] of this article: ''Don't quite understand what the serial numbers are. Deryck C. 14:32, 21 July 2005 (UTC)'' I believe this refers to the patents; I'm going to move them to their own article: ].

== Peer review comments ==

This is a copy/paste of the peer review comments just for ease of reference.

*The article could benefit from a history (or development) section, it doesn't say when, where, or who created the bong. In addition, inline citations are recommended. Finally, the lead section is a bit short- maybe another paragraph? ] |<small> ]</font color>| ] 22:29, 23 Jun 2005 (UTC)

*A ''Bong'' is also colloquial for a ], a resident of ]. ] ] 18:22, Jun 24, 2005 (UTC)
**This has yet to be confirmed ] 01:41, August 5, 2005 (UTC)

*<s>The first picture is beautiful, but I think is a little confusing for the unitiated. Maybe the lead picture should be a simple, achetypal bong. You should definently keep the current picture though, because it is really nice. Maybe further down to illustrate bongs as a form of art. ] June 28, 2005 21:23 (UTC)</s>
**I moved it down to the bubbler section; it does work much better there. A better picture of a bong at the start of the article would be nice but the current picture will do for now. ] 01:41, August 5, 2005 (UTC)

*Considering there's only one in-line link in the whole article it almost doesn't seem worth it, but if you want this to be featured it has to employ the <nowiki>{{ref}} and {{note}}</nowiki> system. Thanks. ] July 8, 2005 23:16 (UTC)

*<s>Don't quite understand what the serial numbers are. ] 14:32, 21 July 2005 (UTC)</s>
**I'm pretty sure this comment is about the patent numbers. I moved that particular section to ] and I think the page looks better now. ] 01:41, August 5, 2005 (UTC)

== sound file of a bong hit ==

This file has a .ogg extension which is some crazy thing. Can't it be made to a normal file i.e. .wav or .mp3. I have a recording of a bong hit in .wav, but it is most likely a copyright breach to be pasted on here. (cut from "shake your rump" by the ]
:The present sound file is copyright problem free (courtesy of me) and ] is the standard file format for Misplaced Pages. I can't find the media-help page to link to but it talks about how to use Ogg/Vorbis. Additionally, if you can find a better recording of a bong hit (including the glass bowl sliding back into the stem at the end, turn your speakers up loud), I'd love to hear it. ] 18:22, August 14, 2005 (UTC)
:Ah ha, I found the media page, it is at ] and ]. It describes why Ogg/Vorbis is the choice for audio formats at Misplaced Pages. ] 18:04, August 15, 2005 (UTC)

== bowls and conepieces ==

Hey triddle, you look to be running this page, so can you (or anyone else) explain.
In ], we don't use the word '''Bowl'''. I'm guessing it is the equvalent to a '''Conepiece''', the part where the weed is packed and ignited and sits at the top of the stem.

I wanted to add this to your ] section, but maybe it should be labelled Bowl/Conepiece:
* '''Conepiece'''
** A usually removable metal piece of the bong where the chopped Marijuana is placed and ignited. Varying amounts are placed or 'packed in' the conepiece, which sits at the top of the stem. Over time it collects a (soft) resin on the bottom, and encrusted resin within the conepiece

If you put the picture of the labelled red bong back onto the main page, it could be referenced as part (4).

Thakns for listening, --] 06:43, 15 August 2005 (UTC)
:Hi Ballchef, I had no idea terms could be so diverse. I've got a good idea of what you are referring to (nice description btw). That addition to the ] section would be great and leads me to think about another page, something like ]. ] 17:59, August 15, 2005 (UTC)

:Yeah, I'd be up for contributing to that. I'll post some stuff later. No, I'll do it now... --] 03:11, 16 August 2005 (UTC)

I noticed the header ] is an oxymoron. Demotivated! --] 03:11, 16 August 2005 (UTC)

== Description of the red bong ==

The numbers in this correspond to ]. It should be put under the heading of ]
What i have put in "these" should also go in to the terminology section.
The editing notes are open to reply, feedback is good --] 04:27, 16 August 2005 (UTC)

===Description of a Bong===

A typical bong is made of few components, as noted on the picture:

:1. A '''Mouthpiece''', where the user's mouth is placed over, sealing out air through that hole. Thus the Bong is "Airtight" (Providing there is also an airtight seal around the stem. If a "carb" is present, it must also be covered). When "airtight" it has but one small source of air, which comes into effect when the user inhales through the mouth piece.
::If a cone has not yet been "punched"(i.e. all smoke removed from the bong in a single hit), the user can place their mouth again over the bong to again inhale, or hover their mouth closely over the bong to slowly inhale the smoke (sometimes nessecary after a big hit, to avoid "greening out"
:::''Editing Note: Do you use any of these terms in the USA? Instead of carb I would rather write "Shottie" which is the only term we use for the hole covered by a finger. And we say "hose" instead of "stem", mainly because we often use a few inches of the backyard hose. A perfect fit, but get easily filled with resin.''
:2. A '''Chamber''', where smoke collects upon inhilation, after being "filtered" through the water. When enough smoke has been built up or the user has finished burning the cone, the chamber then releases the smoke through the mouth piece. This is accelerated by using a "Carb" which allows smoke to be emptied much faster from the chamber when uncovered.
The height of the chamber can vary, from a few inches to some of ridiculous length. See ]
:::''Editing Note: Again, carb is not the word i would like to use. And can someone find the world's longest bong?''
:3. A '''Base''', which holds the water, is usually wider than the chamber so it can stand-alone without tipping (see the ] of a spillage.) The bottom of the "stem" sits in the water, on an angle as shown. The opening at the bottom of the stem must be completely in water to bubble the water. The water's temperature will affect the temperature of the smoke inhaled (see ])
:::''Editing Note: I made up the word "base" as bong terminology, I don't actually have a word for it. Is there a term for (3). "Base" is a dull word.''
:4. A '''Conepiece''' is a usually removable metal piece of the bong where the chopped Marijuana is placed and ignited. Varying amounts are placed or 'packed in' the conepiece, which sits at the top of the stem. Over time it collects a (soft) resin on the bottom, and encrusted resin within the conepiece

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A better diagram would make the article look nicer.

The cartoon style diagram used currently is unprofessional. A style similar to this would be ideal: https://imgur.com/a/ZtowKoI

The mathematics of the bong could be elaborated on. See www.tiny.cc/smokeDoja for some context on bong mathematics

cheers

some british stoner tryin 2 help ur wiki page

A word irks me

In the bong shown in the photo, the gas flows from the lower port on the left to the upper port on the right.

The word gas sounds pretentious, smoke would be more appropriate.

Don't mean to be rude.

Is it gas, smoke, vapour, aerosol, or something else? What do reliable sources use? (Hohum ) 15:17, 29 July 2022 (UTC)

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Hakim Abul Fath invented the waterpipe in India, and discovered tobacco

Tobacco wasn’t discovered by this person. It was discovered in ancient Mesoamerica. 2001:5A8:611A:2000:41F9:A215:4646:A1D0 (talk) 03:41, 25 June 2024 (UTC)

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