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			<code><small>''If you have the capacity to tremble with indignation every time that an injustice is committed in the world, then we are comrades.'' &ndash; Che.</code></small>
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	<font color="Red"><b>Why should poetry not be a slogan?</b></font color="Red"><br>
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			El C, contrary to your edit summary- I noticed you were gone, and missed seeing you on recent changes. You are one of my favourite editors. ] is for you. Regards, ] 04:34, 19 September 2008 (UTC)
			:Yay! Many chipthanks for the kind words. Greatly appreciated. Best, ] 06:49, 19 September 2008 (UTC)
			Well I noticed and missed you! (Official ] ). ] (]) 12:40, 30 September 2008 (UTC) Thought of you while uploading this picture ... for all of your work. ] (]) 17:35, 14 October 2008 (UTC)
	<font color="Red"><b>when life is not at all itself</b></font color="Red"><br>
			:Many thanks! ] 11:27, 3 November 2008 (UTC)
	<font color="Red"><b>For life's sake,</b></font color="Red"><br>
			:I'm sort of in a hole and am having difficulties submerging. Speaking of holes/that chippie, I got to do some visiting in its burro recently...
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			:You look really good in your purple hat! ] | ] 00:19, 4 November 2008 (UTC).
			::Free hat! Today, while cheekadeepetting, this lady who saw us from a far, came over and said: "Can I tell you something...? You're an angel of God."(!) To which I of course replied: "All hail Atheismo!" I took an especially neat cheekadeepetting photograph today: it remained visible between my thumb and index as it flew away, giving the illusion it was bee-sized! What an unexpected, and sweet, effect! ] 02:48, 5 November 2008 (UTC)
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			Wow, Capitano, where do you get a large enough sweater for a person with that hand? ] | ] 20:18, 5 November 2008 (UTC).
			:::And then there's Skunky! ] 14:00, 24 December 2008 (UTC)
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			== Oooo. Purdy! ==
			Combine obvious love of animals with photography results in photographic win! &mdash;&nbsp;]&nbsp;<sup>]</sup> 15:09, 9 December 2008 (UTC)
			:Thanks! Great to learn that peoples (plural!) like! Chickadee says hi! ] 14:00, 24 December 2008 (UTC)
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			::Hello. Thanks, ] 23:14, 24 December 2008 (UTC)
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			Thx, everyone! Happy 2009! ] 12:55, 1 January 2009 (UTC)
			== Happy Groundhog Day ==
			Happy day! ] <sup>]</sup> 19:52, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
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			El C, I've been meaning to ask for ages. What is the link between revolutionary socialism and chimpunks? Did I miss that bit in Animal Farm? Is it something to do with resting the means of damn making from beavers? --] (]) 11:39, 3 August 2009 (UTC)
			:No link; but are you referring to Groundhog? (see left) There is a Groundhog-Chippie connection, which I was trying to further cultivate (see right). ] 11:48, 3 August 2009 (UTC)
			"Love is in the air ....dooooo .....dooo.dooo ......doooo ......dooo.doooo ." --] (]) 11:55, 3 August 2009 (UTC)
			Well, I'm envious. You get to pet ALL the fuzzeh creatures! <span style="white-space:nowrap;font-family:'Trebuchet MS'"> — ] ] ] 😼 </span> 01:40, 9 November 2019 (UTC)
			== Book? ==
			Let me know when it is out, and you will up your sales by one. :-) ]<small><sup>]</sup></small> 09:22, 10 September 2012 (UTC)
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			Just for information at the moment: are you able to do revision deletions? Thanks. - ] (]) 19:47, 16 May 2019 (UTC)
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			:Affirmative. ] 20:46, 16 May 2019 (UTC)
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	Hello,
	You told me I shouldn't revert, but what am I supposed to do when Colour is going around making controversial edits to a bunch of pages. All I did was restore the status quo. For example in the case of ] he has made an entirely new edit. Why is his edit more correct than the previous version, and why must I accept that? He even admits in the discussion that none of his sources claim that these places aren't neighborhoods, and one of them, Peace Now, explicitly calls them neighborhoods. His argument seems entirely based on it making sense to him that they can't only be disputing whether or not it is a settlement, but that it must be a discussion of it not being a neighborhood, though no other option is even offered (does someone say that it is a city or town instead, in addition to being a neighborhood). What if something just made sense to me? Why are his changes somehow more legitimate? I hope that you can clear this up because I am getting quite frustrated with the idea that anyone's personal opinion can trump their sources and the reality. Thank you, --Robert] (]) <small>—Preceding ] was added at 19:00, 2 February 2008 (UTC)</small><!--Template:Undated--> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
	:Can you explain to me how you ended up in the same article to revert him? ] 00:02, 3 February 2008 (UTC)
	I don't understand your reply - there are only 5-6 Jerusalem neighborhoods that might be called settlements. Was I supposed to be somewhere else? I would still like to hear your take on why he can just come along and add anything he likes on the basis that it makes sense to him, and why the burden of proof to keep the previous and sourced version is on me. Thank you, --] (]) 17:13, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
	Hello again,
	I really wish you could reply. He's again reverted across the board, and I still don't see why his own personal argument, which is contradicted by his own partisan sources, is more legitimate than the previous version, and why I have to let that stand. --] (]) 08:22, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
	:I'm not sure about sourced. I'm actually the one who wrote the original, but I just translated what's on the Hebrew wiki article. My main concern is a revert war, not only on the article, but spilling to other ones. Each of you may wish to draft a brief report with your position and an account of this edit conflict, as I may not consistently be around, and even I am having difficulties following the timeline of your dispute. ] 03:59, 15 February 2008 (UTC)
	Thanks for your reply. I understand your concern about a revert war, but its odd that the burden of argument isn't on the new change, especially when so many people disagree with it. And I just noticed that Colour reverted four times in 24 hours on Gilo again.
			::OK, thanks. There are a couple of admins I usually contact when I see something that needs to deleted, but unfortunately they let real life interfere with their admin duties. You are online a lot at the same times I am, so it's good to have another person to contact if needed. I generally only ask personally if it's both serious and urgent. - ] (]) 02:29, 17 May 2019 (UTC)
	The articles before Colour described them started with a basic "what", this place is a neighborhood of so many people, and then a description of its disputed political status, widely considered an Israeli settlement in East Jerusalem (as opposed to the rest of the West Bank that Israel didn't annex and does consider settlements).
			:::Yes, by all means. If I'm around, please don't hesitate. ] 02:30, 17 May 2019 (UTC)
	Colour is saying that describing these places as "neighborhoods" is as disputed as calling them "Israeli settlements", and that as a "compromise" we should use both words for the basic "what". The argument seems odd to me because no source claims it is something other than a neighborhood, like a town or something, just like no one claims that Maale Admumim isn't a city because it is an Israeli settlement. He's provided no sources to support that argument, and two sources he has provided contradict him. Peace Now calls the places neighborhoods even though it also opposes them for being settlements. Global Security calls them "disputed neighborhoods". Colour is interpreting the second as meaning there is dispute about whether they are neighborhoods, as opposed to they are neighborhoods whose status is in dispute, and he's saying in the first case that they're only one group, but if Peace Now doesn't hold this strange position, then who does? This turned out to be a lot longer than I meant, but I hope that it helps to solve the problem. --] (]) 15:01, 15 February 2008 (UTC)
	:It does seem counterintuitive to call them "settlements" as opposed to "disputed neighborhoods." ] 07:13, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
	I don't understand what you've done on the various pages. I tried to explain already that the disagreement isn't "settlement" versus "neighborhood". What Colour has argued and needs to prove is that their being neighborhoods is disputed. There is no dispute that many sources call them Israeli settlements and the article already says that. --] (]) 09:27, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
	:At this point, I'd like to hear from the other side what they think the dispute is about. ] 10:24, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
	::What I'm pointing out is that you've summarized the dispute as something that neither of the sides has argued. I can save time and demonstrate use of the Israeli settlement terminology being used right now as you've asked - just look at the Peace Now link for example. That isn't what anyone is arguing against so "proving" it is a waste of time. --] (]) 12:31, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
	:::Yes, I gathered. This is really not the place the to have such a time saving/wasting debate. ] 12:40, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
	I've given you the benefit of the doubt about your methods since I'm assuming you have experience with solving disputes, but I'm very confused about why you haven't insisted on Colour pointing to sources that support his specific position, or at the very least why you haven't insisted on a concise presentation of his position. --] (]) 11:18, 19 February 2008 (UTC)
	:Benefit of the doubt as opposed to doing what? Possibly might be it. ] 11:48, 19 February 2008 (UTC)
	Benefit of the doubt about what your strategy might be since I don't see any response to anyone on the discussion. I've presented short points with direct support from sources and I'm prepared to answer any questions you might have to clarify things. Wouldn't it be productive if you had the other side do the same? Do you have a different idea? --] (]) 13:01, 19 February 2008 (UTC)
	:My strategy is for you to participate in the ] I set up. You've yet to make a single comment there, instead opting to do so here, which is making me a bit weary, I confess. ] 15:50, 19 February 2008 (UTC)
	I don't think that is very fair. I outlined my position in concise terms with sources long ago, which you copied to there. My comments here are aimed at understanding why you haven't made any move to moderate there. If you just want to see the three of us argue then read the Gilo talk page - what good would more of that do? If you meant for something else then say so, but right now I'm very confused. --] (]) 18:25, 19 February 2008 (UTC)
	:Certainly, you can choose not to participate and instead appeal for someone else whom you feel will apply an approach you deem fair to take over the case. Good luck. ] 21:06, 19 February 2008 (UTC)
	I'm confused about where what I did say was lost but I didn't say that I don't want to participate and I didn't challenge your fairness. I said that I "did" participate by providing my position as you asked and that I have no idea what else you expect since you have taken no steps to moderate. --] (]) 09:00, 20 February 2008 (UTC)
	:My answer hasn't changed: I expect you to read and participate in the centralized discussion I set up. ] 09:11, 20 February 2008 (UTC)
	Maybe the misunderstanding is because I haven't been specific enough. You said that "Long winded debate will be aggressively redacted." You asked the settlement side to provide reliable sources about usage etc. Colour left eight long paragraphs dealing with so many points. Aren't you going to "enforce" your own guidelines to get clear positions from everyone? If not then what sort of response do you expect me to make? --] (]) 09:16, 20 February 2008 (UTC)
	:That was at the ''] page''. I did aggressively redact it, there. <sup></sup> Then, I created the ''centralized discussion page'', where I moved your full comment to. I want you to read what I & others wrote, and engage in discussion, aiming at reaching a compromise. ] 09:30, 20 February 2008 (UTC)
	I'm glad that you redacted my four short paragraphs since that will make it even easier for everyone to understand my position. I was hoping you would do the same to Colour's eight long paragraphs so that everyone can understand his position too. --] (]) 09:36, 20 February 2008 (UTC)
	:I redacted your comment at ''AE'' (]), I did not touch anyone's comments at the centralized discussion, nor do I intend to at this time. ] 09:42, 20 February 2008 (UTC)
	That is what I've been trying to understand. If you aren't going to direct the discussion then how is it going to be different from the previous attempts on the article talk pages? The lengthy back-and-forth between Colour and Gil doesn't look productive at all. ] (]) 09:57, 20 February 2008 (UTC)
	:I proposed some idea (at the top of the page); hopefully, the participants will choose to, at some point, try to address and engage these. ] 10:02, 20 February 2008 (UTC)
	That's fine and I'll edit my vision in now if you think that will help, but won't that eventually bring us back to the same discussion? Right now both positions are looking at the same sources and coming to different conclusions. Wouldn't it help us along if you confirmed or denied what we saw in the sources? --] (]) 10:27, 20 February 2008 (UTC)
			::::Thanks very much. I realize.my wording above presumes you'd be willing, and that I didn't actually ''ask'', so thanks. :) - ] (]) 04:01, 17 May 2019 (UTC)
	== Suicide Note ==
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	Don't Worry, It is extremely unlikely that this was a genuine suicide note:
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			I can live with your highly arbitrary closing summary of the RfC on the Talk page, so I do not want to persuade you to change it. However, you closed other on-going debates as well. Could you open the other debates? Thank you. ] (]) 05:57, 19 May 2019 (UTC)
			:Ah, the thanks I get! ] 05:58, 19 May 2019 (UTC)
			===And all I got was a ^^^ ===
	"i am going to kill myself. i have to i am nothing anymore and i wish i was never fucking born. I have a shitload of pills and it will be ok soon. Tell Shonna I Love Her And that I'm Sorry."
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			== Precious anniversary ==
	*"I have a shitload of pills", suicide notes almost never contain references to the intended life-ending method.
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	*Contrary to popular belief, suicide notes are usually written with a calm, purposeful hand. The disparity between the style of writing at the beginning and at the end is frankly not believable.
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	:: Compare this: "i have to i am nothing anymore" with this: "Tell Shonna I Love Her", the sudden capitalization of "I" does not fit. Also, the writing style is more likely get worse as the person writes, than to get better.
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	*The final nail in the coffin, pardon the expression, is this: "I'm", first of all, this is too casual in context with the rest of the sentence. And second of all, contractions are a sign that the person is lying. It is one of the only signs of lying in written prose.
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			:Nice. Thanks, Gerda! {{smiley}} ] 08:24, 23 February 2020 (UTC)
			:: Thank you. Good day, ? Take music and flowers to your liking ;) - It's great to see your name so often on my watchlist. One area where I often wait for admin action - not now - is ], where we nominate for ''recent'' deaths to be shown on th Main page, and often the time between an article found and then is seems long to still call it recent. --] (]) 08:32, 23 February 2020 (UTC)
			:::Ah, good ol' ITNC —where I got no credit for being the first to have {{posted}} the , but upon (admittedly, perhaps somewhat prematurely) doing the same for the got a — it's a magical place! ] 11:28, 23 February 2020 (UTC)
			:::: I see, sorry for touching some wound ;) - Same for me: last year, I nominated ] for RD, after I first had create an article which took time, and then carried away to also make it decent, - and by then her death was so long ago that she wasn't mentioned at all. The more woman, and the more foreign, that danger seems imminent, and if I may bother you in case I seee it coming again, that would be great. At present, it's ], listed 20 Feb (although who knows if that was the day?), and nobody even commented yet, so nothing to be concerned about right now. --] (]) 12:27, 23 February 2020 (UTC)
			:::::Hey, by all means, if you feel ] is , let me know so I could do the honours. ] 12:53, 23 February 2020 (UTC)
			:::::: I nominated him, so am not the most independent to judge ;) - and I'm already busy with ], a woman, but mostly not foreign. - I really think we have some unintended bias there: the most prominent figures (white U.S. males) get speedy attention, and appear soon at the top position, while the female foreigners - often reported late to start with - take so long to even be noticed that they get only a place towards the end, finally, - as long as we go by date of death and not "in at the top". Result: those who are promminent ''already'' get preferred showing, more in front, and longer. --] (]) 13:04, 23 February 2020 (UTC)
			:::::::Indeed, ] is a treacherous mistress — though in the case of ], I have to admit my own affinity for his admirable work countering the ]... Anyway, ''+Peter Dreher to RD.'' ] 13:16, 23 February 2020 (UTC)
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			:::::::: Thank you, love-ly! --] (]) 07:42, 24 February 2020 (UTC)
			:::::::: I nominated the poet for ITNN. --] (]) 12:36, 24 February 2020 (UTC)
			:::::::::At the ! ] 14:48, 24 February 2020 (UTC)
			:::::::::: and posted ;) --] (]) 17:28, 24 February 2020 (UTC)
			:::::::::::That was quick! I helped? ] 17:33, 24 February 2020 (UTC)
			:::::::::::: think so ;) - today's '']'' became after yesterday's funeral. --] (]) 12:21, 28 February 2020 (UTC)
			{{od}} Next foreign women RD: ]. --] (]) 23:12, 2 March 2020 (UTC)
			:{{re|Gerda Arendt}} sorry for the belated response — I overlooked your last message. Apologies for not being able to assist with that one. Please don't hesitate to list more. I'll try to be more cognizant of this thread next time, I promise. ] 03:28, 8 March 2020 (UTC)
			===''Gerda's corner''===
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			To help me better remember! {{smiley}} ] 05:10, 8 March 2020 (UTC)
			:Gerda’s corner is lovely. When I have more time in my life and can do things beyond blocking socks, I plan to spend time there getting some of the Holy Thursday hymns on the main page. Gerda, if it’s not too late to find one, let me know. The Pange Lingua is always a first choice, but if there are any others you can think of, I’m open. ] (]) 05:26, 8 March 2020 (UTC)
			:<small>Also, El C’s talk page is lovely, especially for his hosting my musing about music he likely doesn’t care about one iota! ] (]) 05:28, 8 March 2020 (UTC)</small>
			::<small>Actually, I like all kinds of music, including of the eclectic and esoteric variaty — lately I've been ] (special thanks goes to {{u|Jasmin Ariane}}!).</small> ] 05:32, 8 March 2020 (UTC)
			::: Lovely corner, thank you! Today is ], two choirs singing. I'd like Beati improved - but it's in the evensong, perhaps I'll get to a few more lines. On IWD, I should also get ] in better shape ... - but singing comes first. Listen to Beati by ], another article needing improvement. Singing comes first ;) --] (]) 07:41, 8 March 2020 (UTC)
			::: On the ITNN page, 6 Mar, Carsten Bresch. We will possibly never know when he died, but should use 6 - when the world was informed - as the day by which we go. I may be alone with that view ;) - Lovely lively colours! --] (]) 13:24, 8 March 2020 (UTC)
			::::Expect the sky to fall at ITNC — posted with (!). ] 13:34, 8 March 2020 (UTC)
			:::: Thanks for posting, and I added "Posted", but don't want to pass credits. DYK you know that it is as easy as clicking on the words "credit" in the nom? Nice progress on the soprano, but out for singing (alto), second round. A good source for her death would be a nice addition, anyone. is all Spanish to me, and the English one is a blog. --] (]) 16:04, 8 March 2020 (UTC)
			:::: nom done, and the credits were done by someone else - bedtime --] (]) 23:19, 8 March 2020 (UTC)
			:::::Sleep tight. ] 23:27, 8 March 2020 (UTC)
			:::::: done also, and she's there - today's topic seem to be errors (3) in the OTD section of the Main page. --] (]) 09:28, 9 March 2020 (UTC)
			:::::: Amakuru took care of that! - What should I do about ]? --] (]) 09:58, 9 March 2020 (UTC)
			:::::::If you're confident it's good, I would move it to main namespace nonetheless. ] 10:07, 9 March 2020 (UTC)
			:::::::: How about you? - I asked the decliner for reasoning, but got no answer. I think it might be better if it's not a personal thing between them and me, so an independent pair of eyes might help. - I don't go via AfC, nor does my friend ], but last year many of his translations were sent to draft space, for lack of refs, just because de and fr have different ideas about referencing. I try to rescue, that's all. Then get a ridiculous template on my talk recommending the Teahouse, and still see the ridiculous decline template recommending to seek help from an experienced editor, - the things we do to voluntary contributors ... --] (]) 13:31, 9 March 2020 (UTC)
			:::::::::{{Done}}. ]. And I didn't even visit the Teahouse! ] 13:37, 9 March 2020 (UTC)
			:::::::::: pacified ;) --] (]) 14:26, 9 March 2020 (UTC)
			::::::::::: Thanks for tagging me, {{u|El_C}}! {{smiley}} Concerning Dimash: Oh wow, I really didn't expect that! But I'm happy you enjoy it! {{smiley}} It's funny, it's not even a genre I usually listen to. But the first time I heard him 2 years ago, I immediately loved his music. I love his voice, his emotional interpretation; and his vocal skill, range and versatility are just enormous. And he seems to be a very nice and humble guy, which makes it even easier to like him. {{smiley}} PS: "eclectic and esoteric variety"? Wow, that sounds interesting. ] (]) 21:55, 9 March 2020 (UTC)
			::::::::::::♫ Welcome to the corner, Jasmin! Yes, I love Dimash's Sinful Passion, New Wave, SOS d'un terrien en détresse, Ogni Pietra (Olimpico), Opera 2, and more. Indeed, music-wise, I'm all over the place. Yesterday, I was listening to the ], I'm listening to ] right now (because I love ], above all else), and I'm listening to the ] in the car currently. So, yeah, all over the place. Welcome, again! ♫ ] 16:47, 10 March 2020 (UTC)
			== Gerda's February corner ==
	''However, This does not discount the possibility that this person may be someone on the brink. These observations would likely be seen in someone who is not yet ready to take their life, which means that we may be able to do some good here''
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			Want a drink in darkness? - ] --] (]) 14:38, 3 February 2021 (UTC)
			:Somehow, I don't really see that concept spreading to other bars... Back to out previous conversation, somewhat, a different kind of '''<span style="color:green">Green</span>''': (just released). ] 14:51, 3 February 2021 (UTC)
			:: I missed Mathsci for two years. --] (]) 15:14, 3 February 2021 (UTC)
			:::Criss-crossing paths... ] 15:16, 3 February 2021 (UTC)
			:::: ] --] (]) 15:19, 3 February 2021 (UTC)
			:::::That's right, I remember seeing that. ] 15:24, 3 February 2021 (UTC)
			:::::: Did you ever click on Reformation on my user page, first occurence? --] (]) 16:02, 3 February 2021 (UTC)
			:::::::Yes, I have clicked on all of the (longstanding) links on your userpage. ] 16:08, 3 February 2021 (UTC)
			:::::::: I am impressed. ... and follow to ]? ... which was ] until 2021 when I decided people hovering over my name should see a pic I took. The last time I used it was for Cassianto, 24 May 2020. --] (]) 17:51, 3 February 2021 (UTC)
			:::::::::Sure, but otherwise, your userpage isn't easy to parse, due to the fact that you actually use it. I edit mine like once a decade. ] 18:00, 3 February 2021 (UTC)
			:::::::::: I copied that from ] including the top icon - ] on the Main page today --] (]) 18:07, 3 February 2021 (UTC)
			:::::::::::Love it when the Main page gets that much colour. I noticed that article yesterday and thought: ''wow, those birds are almost as ] as ]s , which are... well, kinda the best!'' ] 18:18, 3 February 2021 (UTC)
			:::::::::::: yes --] (]) 19:25, 3 February 2021 (UTC)
			::::::::::::: Opa is now on the Main page, ], who stood up for future with the striking school children when he was in his 90s, - a model, - . - Further down on the page, there are conversations about the current arb case request - I feel I have to stay away - in a nutshell: "... will not improve kindness, nor any article". - Yesterday, I made sure on a hike that the flowers are actually blooming ;) --] (]) 15:13, 26 February 2021 (UTC)
			::::::::::::::Yay for '''<span style="color:green">Green Opa!</span>''' This made my day!{{smiley}} ] 16:24, 26 February 2021 (UTC)
			::::::::::::::: Today, we have ] on her 97th birthday ;) --] (]) 13:34, 28 February 2021 (UTC)
			::::::::::::::::''']''' ] 15:39, 28 February 2021 (UTC)
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			] ... anticipated protest --- and listen, not to me, but the music (in the article) --] (]) 08:49, 4 February 2021 (UTC)
			... and after the music, please listen to {{ill|User talk:Nikkimaria|1004801908|1004759329|Nikkimaria}} --] (]) 13:39, 4 February 2021 (UTC)
	Hope this helps. --]] 06:48, 3 February 2008 (UTC)
	:I try not to overanalyze these, and I've encountered tens of them over the years here, as I find it counterfactual and counterproductive. I always respond the same way, with the same three words —I think the last one was November 2007 <sup>( )</sup>— largely, because I don't know that there's much else I could do, and that response on my part does leave matters openended in case said individual wishes to speak (in the odd chance the message is genuine, or at least reflects great anguish). Thanks for your note, I appreciate it. Best, ] 08:00, 3 February 2008 (UTC)
			:I don't understand. There's a YouTube video at the bottom of the page, but it's just some people talking in German (which I don't-Opa-understand) alongside some German folk music (not my cup of tea). Then, you link to Nikkimaria's talk page as an ill with numbers and stuff, but it still only links to their main user talk page. Quite confusing. ] 13:48, 4 February 2021 (UTC)
	::I have to butt in again, because what BETA just posted is wrong, wrong, wrong. Unless BETA is a professional in the field of psychiatry ''AND'' has ''observed'' the "patient" in person, BETA has no right to state the above as ''facts'' what-so-ever. They are all ''wrong'', and should be struck out or deleted!
			:: entirely my fault, I ''thought'' I had in the article, but no, only on the talk of Martinevans123, and when I'm absent-minded, I confuse ''ill'' and ''diff'', {{diff|User talk:Nikkimaria|1004801908|1004759329|Nikkimaria}}. But hurray, I just expanded the soprano, sufficiently I hope. Need fresh air now. --] (]) 15:49, 4 February 2021 (UTC)
			:::Sorry, I didn't really like that song. Didn't dislike it either. Was just kinda ''meh''. Personally, I prefer the Israeli children songs I grew up on, like , for example. ] 16:08, 4 February 2021 (UTC)
			:::: Mr. Degenhardt would have been delighted! Not a song to be liked, - did you read the quote which I translated (improving on Deeple) per the talk request. Song talk about unpleasant smells, ending with a crime and a corpse swimming ... while the surviving grubby children keep singing that you better don't play with them. - Thanks for yours. Did you read my advice for M? --] (]) 16:33, 4 February 2021 (UTC)
			:::::I did not. Quoted where? Also, after ''Opa'', I'm afraid to ask, but what's a "Deeple"? Yes, I saw it. Sound advise, but I'm still concerned that further cognizance will nonetheless be needed in order to avoid utter disaster in the future. ] 16:45, 4 February 2021 (UTC)
			:::::: my next mistake, - as you know everything about me you'll know that I am an infobox warrior who had to be restricted by arbcom to prevent utter disaster in the future. For 2 years I was too proud to appeal. I should have known SBHB's advice in the case, but then we might not have gotten to ] ;) - RfC for ], and I stay away, I stay away, I don't play that game any more - please, be never afraid to ask! --] (]) 17:03, 4 February 2021 (UTC)
			:::::::] laments about how many songs can even be created, but does so in a song he created (), so there you go. Take that, eternity! ] 17:13, 4 February 2021 (UTC)
			:::::::: Gerda doesn't lament but enjoys the {{diff|User talk:Brianboulton|1005557940||support by Brian}}, ] when others called her guilty, - always trying to mediate. --] (]) 16:56, 8 February 2021 (UTC)
			:::::::::Tis the season for bitter-sweet...? Also, trying something (top of section — ]). ] 18:45, 8 February 2021 (UTC)
			:::::::::: ] --] (]) 09:34, 9 February 2021 (UTC)
			:::::::::: did you? - ] --] (]) 22:35, 9 February 2021 (UTC)
			:::::::::::I did in passing, but I just am not in the headspace for riddles today, I'm afraid. But I did like ]. Almost-but-not-quite grand; warm but-not-quite gaudy. Sorry, I haven't heard of that translator before. Did you know her, personally? ] 23:01, 9 February 2021 (UTC)
			:::::::::::: Thank you. The church pic - as you will have seen - is in my user infobox for 2021. I don't know the singer personally, but she sang for us several times, Bach's great works (all explained if you follow the link, also (below there) that some like to receive my thanks and appreciation), and she sang recently in cantata services that I pictured (her page). On all these pictures, she is too small for "about her", and my lead is smaller "about me", of course. - I knew ''nothing'' about the translator, but she was a red link on Deaths in 2021. The bitter-sweetness is between her and her ex-husband, a novelist with an article who wrote her obit. (They had four children when they were divorced, and now he has ten.) - The delegate called me to task for the Bach cantata, so I will have to not follow spontaneous impulses for a few days, - hope no one dies whose article has to be written. In the cantata, ], I have a problem. The article was all built (and all other Bach cantatas at the time also, btw) which one user denies reliability. I wanted to keep it, supporting it for all facts - only recordings, anyway - by a second source, trying to be faithful to the article history and to retain what editors did before me. He removed it. Quite generally, I have a problem with expansions which ignore what former editors achieved, see BWV 53 and for recently mentioned examples. --] (]) 08:42, 10 February 2021 (UTC)
			:::::::::::::Ah, just read that at: https://www.theguardian.com/society/2021/feb/08/dr-vera-wulfing-leckie-obituary — I see what you mean. Right, I knew it (the church) looked familiar. Hope you're able to resolve your ] problem. I'd offer to help, but I'd probably just mess it up, anyway. ] 16:55, 10 February 2021 (UTC)
			:::::::::::::: You will not mess anything up if you look at the old ref and tell me if it looks despicable to you, just for curiosity. The article was when I began "taking over". - Did you see this ? --] (]) 17:36, 10 February 2021 (UTC)
			:::::::::::::::It does not look "despicable" to me, but I am far from an authority. This is not an area with which I am familiar. ] 18:08, 10 February 2021 (UTC)
			:::::::::::::::: Thank you, helped. I just found (having searched for Thomanerchor) and look what is bolded, and praised. --] (]) 22:08, 10 February 2021 (UTC)
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			:Thanks, for you, too. Did an English translation of a song at ], btw, and am about to submit another ("US," itself), so check it out! ] 16:23, 14 February 2021 (UTC)
			:: adding today's featured picture of February 17 - a nice match to my wild one --] (]) 23:23, 19 February 2021 (UTC)
			:::Lovely, lovely! ] 23:24, 19 February 2021 (UTC)
			== Request to put ] under ] ==
	::Not even a professional would analyze a note as such. In fact, most suicides never leave a note. Suicide idealization is serious. One where it takes many thoughts in one's mind, that no one can ever see nor know. Many people who speak of suicide, have issues. It's a "cry for help", a serious one, which can led to an attempt, which can then lead to a successful suicide. There are few that succeed on first thought and attempt.
			{{re|El_C}} {{re|Octoberwoodland}} Continuing ], I'd like to request that ] be put under ] (I guess that would be ]?). How do I make such a request? Post to ]? Or can an admin (i.e. you :-)) do that without a formal request? — ] (]) 23:59, 9 February 2021 (UTC)
	::El_C, you're response was right on. It is not nonsense and one should NEVER say that, or that it is a hoax to someone who threatens suicide, EVEN if it is and the person is talking nonsense. Any and all talk of suicide is considered serious. ANY. And to say one ''almost'' never tells how one is going to commit suicide is SO wrong. ALMOST is the key word here. Some do, some don't, some you know will, some you would never think would. I know of a successful suicide, one who laid out all her plans, ''and'' her method. Just not the date. She had said she had all the pills stashed over a period of time. She finally succeeded after attempts to stop/help her (involuntary commitment, a 72-hour-hold, etc.), were futile. Well, they kept her alive longer, but not long enough. She was determined though, nothing was stopping her. One cannot stop one who is determined, but one can help one who is not sure, and is hurting. There is always a chance one can prevent a suicide, or delay it long enough hopefully, for the suicidal person to "change one's mind", but they are always at risk forevermore. Even if they die of old age. Not even a license psychiatrist would '''ever''' say what BETA just said, EVER.
			:{{u|Chrisahn}}, right, you ask me, here, like so. But can you show that there is a lot of protracted edit warring going on? Because I'm wary of throttling a page that sees that much activity. Not sure why you pinged Octoberwoodland here. They are not an admin, so they do not have the authority to grant your request. ] 00:09, 10 February 2021 (UTC)
			:: No, there hasn't been much edit warring. Just like Octoberwoodland, I thought the page was already under 1RR, and I thought it would be useful. But if you'd rather not do it yet, that's fine with me as well. If problems do arise, I'll come back here. But I hope it won't be necessary. :-) (The ping was just because Octoberwoodland started the discussion at Alalch Emis's talk page and might want to chime in here.) — ] (]) 00:21, 10 February 2021 (UTC)
			:::Just understood that moments ago (the ping). Anyway, in general, restrictions are added by need only. The general consensus among admins is to wait and see, and only if needed add 1RR. And if that isn't enough, only then move on to additional enhancements, like ] (i.e. gradual escalation). Regards, ] 00:28, 10 February 2021 (UTC)
			:::: Thanks for the explanation! These processes are more fine-grained than I thought. Probably a good thing. Although I'm afraid I won't remember the difference between {{tl|ds/editnotice}} and {{tl|ds/talk notice}} a week from now. :-) — ] (]) 00:54, 10 February 2021 (UTC)
			:::::I just type ] (all listed at the bottom), otherwise, who can remember! ] 00:56, 10 February 2021 (UTC)
			It is time I knew more about do's and don'ts applicable to infoboxes. Could you let me have the link to any WP that applies to Infoboxes as such? ] (]) 17:52, 10 February 2021 (UTC)
	::Sorry, to bother you El_C and take up so much room on your page. I just couldn't help not saying something that I see as so wrong and irresponsible. ''No one'' should give out medical advice over the internet, nor evaluate another's "symptoms". Again, not even a ''professional'' would do that. It is very irresponsible and an arrogant thing to do. ←]♥] 10:02, 3 February 2008 (UTC)
			:Sorry, I'm far from an authority on infoboxes, {{u|Qexigator}}, so short of pointing you to the ]-obvious, I would just advise you to avoid ] at all cost! Regards, ] 18:13, 10 February 2021 (UTC)
			: Some users get hot about infoboxes, while for others it's the normal thing to have. Before adding an infobox to an article without one, check for warnings in edit mode, and for discussions on the talk page. Recent example ], nonono. Those who made the article as nice as it is today don't like it. --] (]) 18:23, 10 February 2021 (UTC)
			::Haha! See what I mean, {{u|Qexigator}}? ''*Pokes Gerda*'' ] 18:25, 10 February 2021 (UTC)
			::Thanks for the link to MOS:INFOBOX. This comfirms my experience when I have been looking at or editing other well-established articles on impottant topics: the infobox is 'to summarize (and not supplant) key facts that appear in the article (an article should remain complete with its summary infobox ignored,,,The less information it contains, the more effectively it serves that purpose, allowing readers to identify key facts at a glance,' If well done, they can be very helpful when needed.' ] (]) 18:44, 10 February 2021 (UTC)
			::: My favourite is ]. --] (]) 19:05, 10 February 2021 (UTC)
			::::The unquestionable elegance of ]. ] 19:08, 10 February 2021 (UTC)
			::::: I am so proud of that ;) - Did you know that I designed it ] ("Actually, I believe almost every article would profit from a placement like that in history and geography.")? --] (]) 21:01, 10 February 2021 (UTC)
			==Us==
	I realize that this is a murky issue with no clear precedented procedure, but why archive the discussions? As ] says, many editors feel it is appropriate to contact various authorities, and closing the reports makes it difficult to coordinate those efforts. — ] <sup>]</sup>/<sub>]</sub>\<sup>]</sup> 22:18, 3 February 2008 (UTC)
			:''''']''''' <small>(YouTube links to individual performances are at the top of the subpage, in boldface)</small>
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	:I'm not one of those "many editors" and I don't subscribe to everything in that ], much of it I find rather misguided. I will continue to archive those notices to reduce potential melodrama. If you feel that this approach on my part reduces coordination of these reports (coordination which I don't really believe is that helpful, anyway), you can try to get community consensus with a policy page to force it. ] 22:37, 3 February 2008 (UTC)
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	:To xDanielx, the archiving is not the troubling part, it was the post by BETA analyzing and advising the situation. Leaving it for the "authorities" is really good advice. ←]♥] 23:16, 3 February 2008 (UTC)
	::I don't try contacting the authorities; others should feel free. I don't believe that keeping such notices open is helpful, or related, even. ] 23:27, 3 February 2008 (UTC)
	:::El C, you're right. The best response, if one is needed, is the one you linked to above, "don't do it" and/or direct them to a "help site". That's all one can do "over the internet". Wikpedia is not the place to determine one way or the other. :) ←]♥] 23:41, 3 February 2008 (UTC)
	::::Glad you agree. I am bothered by the insinuation that I am doing something wrong here. ] 23:56, 3 February 2008 (UTC)
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	:::::I'm sorry if I contributed to you feeling bothered. That was not my intent at all. It was not you who I thought was wrong, it was the post by BETA that bothered me. I over-reacted when I saw him/her posting those "points" above on a few different pages to prove something that cannot be proven in this medium, the interent. I don't agree with the majority of that essay either, nor the "helpful" advice it gives. The ] should just say it's always serious, and do not engage as no one can determine anything online. No heckling, no accusations, no coddling etc., that's it. Then have a ''short'' list to links to online help pages, or better, just one link. That's all. I was "sucked in" by the drama because of the poor (and wrong) analysis given. Directing a person talking suicide to a with a short non-judgmental tone saying "try this link", is all that should be done -- anything more is disruptive and drama producing. That's my opinion, anyway. Best wishes. :) ←]♥] 02:21, 4 February 2008 (UTC)
	::::::Not at all. If I take issue with anyone, it's Daniel and his inexplicable statements. ] 08:36, 4 February 2008 (UTC)
	(&larr;) I'm not sure a policy page would be useful given the lack of uniformity between (suspected) suicide notes, but perhaps the idea is worth entertaining. I haven't heard of a case of repeated disruption via such notes, presumably because those who post them soon understand that it is a serious business with potential ramifications, and often they are blocked anyway. I have no strong opinion on whether notifying local authorities constitutes an appropriate response, but I think those who favor the idea would like to know if other editors have already responded.
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	Alice, I essentially agree with what you've said... but while "leave it to the authorities" sounds very passive, it really requires that we be proactive in notifying them; likewise for directing them to help sites (which is an interesting idea). I don't mean to say that those responses are necessarily appropriate, and I certainly wouldn't accuse those who oppose them as doing the wrong thing, but thus far our mixed responses as a community have been rather arbitrary and uncoordinated. Perhaps some wider discussion would be a good idea. — ] <sup>]</sup>/<sub>]</sub>\<sup>]</sup> 04:33, 4 February 2008 (UTC)
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	:Well, I doubt enough people read this talk page, so such a wider discussion should probably be initiated elsewhere (not on the incidents board, either, though); perhaps there, you will finally explain why exactly "closing the reports makes it difficult to coordinate those efforts." ] 08:36, 4 February 2008 (UTC)
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	==Countyhistorian.com==
	You can go and see that my site contains hundreds of articles, categories, etc that I've writen. To convince yourself, that I have not been ''spamming'' my links all over Misplaced Pages or whatever. It's quite silly. The most I ever do, is put something on the TALK page like "here is some more of the family tree of so-and-so" and that's it. No attempt to get any of the information into the actual article space, or ever watchlist it. Just a link in Talk, in case anyone cares to find out more. Period. Thanks for your input. ] (]) 10:03, 4 February 2008 (UTC)
	:I can't judge from that link much about anything, because I don't know what is representative (i.e. some of the entries are lengthy, some are empty, others limited to an image; it's rather sporadic going from that "all articles" basis). But thanks for summarizing your position. ] 10:13, 4 February 2008 (UTC)
	::You're right. might be a better one, you can see there under the heading ''Favorite Articles'' those articles I've worked on the most. For most of these I've never bothered posting a link to the talk page of the article in Misplaced Pages. You can review a few of them and see the great amount of detail some contain. Were you able to review A.B.'s comment that posting links, even your own, to Talk is perfectly acceptable?] (]) 10:25, 4 February 2008 (UTC)
	:::It depends how many talk pages and how many times the links are added, of course. I'll need to learn more about the specifics. ] 10:34, 4 February 2008 (UTC)
	::::Hu12 claims 18, I don't really remember, it's been over like a year-long period. At any rate I think there was only ever one link that was controversial because the situation involved a long term BLP, Npov, OR issue that eventually went to ArbCom and got the main offender Matt Sanchez/Bluemarine blocked for a year. No one else involved suffered any penalties. In fact, in specific conversation with an ArbCom member, he expressed no feeling about the link at all, even when directly presented. There was one other link that someone objected to for a while, because of RS concerns I believe, because I had included within my detailed source-based research, a speculative extension to Mike Huckabee's ancestry taking him back to King Henry I or something like that I don't quite clearly recall. It was all rather silly. The rest of the links, to my knowledge, have never even been discussed or used, let alone challenged, afaik. Of course obviously this doesn't stop anyone from trying to do it now, in retrospect.] (]) 10:38, 4 February 2008 (UTC)
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	:::::I'm more interested in finding out what happened ''recently'' than getting into all that. ] 20:49, 4 February 2008 (UTC)
	== Protecting the Wikipedian and protecting the Wiki ==
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	It strikes me that we need to apply a balancing test in this situation. {{userlinks|SqueakBox}} has been an involved party in several contentious editing issues recently, and has previously been the subject of sanction as the result of an RfAr, sanction which was violated more than once, enforced by blocking, and enforced once by blocking his sock. I've asked on AN/I for someone to look at the edit history of the page being deleted (because it was initially deleted under a pretense) and I've offered to waive my objection to the deletion if given an assurance that there were no edits worth keeping in the history. It's not my intent to keep any of Squeak's personal information on Misplaced Pages, only to avoid pruning his history here in such a way as to distort the record. We've already lost the histories from other pages he's contributed heavily to, and he's had another editor's attempt to catalog his edits speedy-deleted. For these and other reasons, I'm concerned, and I wanted to share my concerns with you in the interest of expanding your perspective on the issue. Thanks for listening. --]'']'' 19:33, 4 February 2008 (UTC)
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	:I'm not seeing any vital edits being lost, and I get the impression that you are expending too much energy into this issue. Please make a single appeal somewhere and then move on. Pressing on this seemingly indefinitely is too much. Thx. ] 20:49, 4 February 2008 (UTC)
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	::I tried that at ANI. No one has responded to my concerns, only attempted to stifle discussion by marking an unresolved issue as ''resolved''. SqueakBox has had multiple problematic edits and edit summaries deleted by repeatedly advocating for the deleteion of certain articles. He successfully got a compilation of his problematic edits deleted from another user's userspace. He proposed his userpage for deletion under a false pretense. None of the admins who've taken the time to address me have seen any problem whatsoever with an editor who is willing to make a false claim (]) in order to fraudulently induce an administrator to delete his user page & user talk page. Considering the vast history of SqueakBox's problematic edits, I'm not being unreasonable when I question the propriety of this deletion. If someone would actually address my concerns, I could do other things. By the way, you're the '''''FIRST''''' person who actually stated that nothing vital was being lost. That goes a long way toward alleviating my concerns. As long as this project insists on rewarding people for their misdeeds and shielding them from scrutiny, there's precious little reason to do any actual editing. Even if I wanted to go to dispute resolution with Squeak, I can't, because of all the people eager to delete the diffs I would be relying on. A purported death threat from November is an awfully thin reason to undermine fundamental processes like DR. A false claim of ] that morphs into a claim of a purported death threat from November is even moreso. I have actual, good-faith concerns about deleting this users editing history, page by page. I've tried to discuss them in one forum, only to get shut down. This ] has popped up all over the place, for the most part not by my hand. I'm not a crank; I've been editing here since 2005. It simply galls me terribly to see so many people willing to bend over backward when doing so effectively protects Squeak from the consequences of his edits. --]'']'' 00:20, 5 February 2008 (UTC)
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	:::One of the problems that I noticed, on the noticeboard, too, is that your comments tend to be needlessly longwinded. Nearly every one of your comments is quite lengthy. You really need to work on condensing your thoughts if you want people to be responsive. ] 00:24, 5 February 2008 (UTC)
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	::::I agree. Once I've started, I feel I need to cite evidence and work up to a conclusion, instead of presenting an unsupported assertion and expecting anyone to take it seriously. I can turn on the tap all right, but I can't seem to turn it off. --]'']'' 00:46, 5 February 2008 (UTC)
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	::::So, El, how should I do it differently? What should I leave out? Feel free to edit what I said above as mercilessly as you like; I'm looking to learn how to be more concise, if you'll give me a lesson. --]'']'' 02:48, 7 February 2008 (UTC)
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	== ] and ] ==
	I hope your criticism about posts to PHG's user talk isn't directed at me. He's more active on Misplaced Pages than on Commons, and he highlights his image uploads at his Misplaced Pages user page instead of his commons user page. So I figured the best place to contact him about that was on Misplaced Pages. If you ever do feel like I've crossed the line in some regard, please contact me with your objections. I'm pretty good about withdrawing statements and apologizing if some new angle comes to light. Regards, <font face="Verdana">]</font><sup>'']''</sup> 22:12, 4 February 2008 (UTC)
	:No, I didn't even notice you on his talk page. If you were communicating to him, that's fine, of course; that's what the talk page is there for! ] 22:16, 4 February 2008 (UTC)
	:: El C, would your concerns about my own post be addressed, if I simply changed it from third-person to second-person? By my posting on his talkpage, I'm not just "using the page", I'm also obviously trying to make him aware of concerns. Discussing an editor in the third-person is done routinely, such as when a user is blocked, and other users weigh in on the page, discussing whether or not they feel that the block was appropriate. But if my use of third-person bothers you that much, I would be happy to change the wording a bit to make it clear that the intended audience is PHG, as well as others on the page. --]]] 22:36, 4 February 2008 (UTC)
	:::It just strikes me as an overly presumptuous use of his talk page. Try to imagine how it would feel if one were to use your talk page for a couple of hundred of words-worth of a report that criticizes you. It oversteps user talk page etiquette, in my view. Thx. ] 22:43, 4 February 2008 (UTC)
	:::: I understand your concerns, and your desire to protect decorum. However, don't you perhaps think that it would do more good to protect Misplaced Pages? I understand your desire to try and be a bit of a "defense attorney" for PHG here, but you've seen for yourself the damage that he has been causing, such as with this "Mongol conquest of Jerusalem" POV. He has obviously been inserting highly-biased and misleading information into multiple articles, and is causing many other good editors to waste time cleaning up after him. As "rudeness" goes, that's pretty high on my list.
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	:::: Our job (yours and mine), as administrators, isn't just to protect exact forms of etiquette, but is instead to protect the project from damage. In my opinion, PHG's behavior has been far more damaging to the project than anything I might have done by laying out my concerns in a clear and thoroughly-diffed way.
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	:::: I understand that you and I have had disagreements in the past, but shouldn't we be agreeing on at least one goal, that of protecting Misplaced Pages from an editor who is willfully inserting false information? --]]] 23:05, 4 February 2008 (UTC)
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	:::::I'm not willing to compromise what I feel are fair practices, even toward that end. Especially since it isn't even necessary. ] 23:08, 4 February 2008 (UTC)
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	==Che quote ==
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	I really like Che's quote at the top of the page, however, i've don't really know anything about him, suggested reading/viewing? -- ] (]) 22:51, 4 February 2008 (UTC)
	:Thanks. Jon Lee Anderson's 800-page biography, '''', is probably the best and most comprehensive work to date. It is neither sympathetic nor antipathetic (and certainly, not hagiographic as some of the books printed in Cuba are), but strenuously honest, with an impressive depth and breadth, including new interview of key individuals. Amazingly, all accomplished in 5 yrs! ] 23:00, 4 February 2008 (UTC)
	::Oh good =) I'll check my uni library. -- ] (]) 23:03, 4 February 2008 (UTC)
	:::Ah poo, they only have a copy in the reference only library, so I can't borrow it, but they do have also have a copy of the FBI's dossier on him there as well =) which should be interesting reading! -- ] (]) 23:40, 5 February 2008 (UTC)
	::::Just buy it! ] 03:59, 15 February 2008 (UTC)
	== FYI ==
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	]. <span style="font-variant:small-caps"><font color="#800080">] § ]/]</font></span> 23:07, 4 February 2008 (UTC)
	:I, too, feel uneasy about a single-purpose account being created solely to make that comment. ] 23:41, 4 February 2008 (UTC)
			====Gerda loves subsections!====
	::Was that comment about me? I did create an account just to reply to you because I didn't want to be impolite... I wanted to add the links as a guest. I am completely new to this... <small>—Preceding ] comment added by ] (] • ]) 00:33, 5 February 2008 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
			: Thanks for sharing! Reminds me of my to the Hebrew Misplaced Pages. --] (]) 08:17, 11 February 2021 (UTC)
			: I would have liked to add the pic to context, but can't tell ;) --] (]) 08:46, 11 February 2021 (UTC)
			::Are you referring to ], because that is one scary dragon! ] 08:51, 11 February 2021 (UTC)
			::: yes ;) - that pic was taken by my much-missed friend who made the good version for Ian Fleming, and my illustration for the infobox wars (see the link to the workshop, and in my 2020 talk archive). - On the other topic, Bach, we have now another ANI, by Smerus, Nikkimaria is fighting, I shake my head and try to look away, and Mathsci is still blocked. How many more editors in good standing are going to be burnt? - I like the singers music, but the images best when I see him, not graphics. --] (]) 10:54, 11 February 2021 (UTC)
			::::Haha! All roads lead to ], it seems.{{=P}} Also, you're making me sound like the grim reaper, but I just want to pet a chipmunk! ] 11:03, 11 February 2021 (UTC)
			::::: "making you sound"? I just tremble with indignation - out for the day --] (]) 11:07, 11 February 2021 (UTC)
			::::::That's the second time today where I've had Che quoted back at me — looks like it's gonna be one of those days... Enjoy your outing! ] 11:13, 11 February 2021 (UTC)
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			::::::: Back from sun and snow: sorry if that landed wrong. I was a bit in a rush, and reacted to "all roads lead to IF". I don't care about IF, at all, the number of my edits to his article is zero, the number of my edits to the talk page is zero. I had not thought of him in years until the ongoing RfC, and my edits will remain zero. I use his name as an example, because - with the RfC going - I can mention it, otherwise if I mentioned a name from the group someone would come and cry "canvassing".
			::::::: I thought about the animosity, and what I can trace back (because I really don't understand it), and looked at what I wrote about Ian Fleming on ] as a call to battle. I made a note of the name, that it was infobox person (red background indicating that it was lost) and the above-mentioned diff of a good version from 2012 piped to the date. That's all. I had forgotten until I looked it up now that my friend had made the good version. When we lost him (later that year) I spread the image all over the Wikipedias, even Hebrew (with some help from a friend from Jerusalem). My first reaction had been to leave, but then I didn't want to do his enemies that favour ;) --] (]) 16:30, 11 February 2021 (UTC)
			::::::::Ooh, that is some lovley '''<span style="color:green">greenery</span>'''. So nice. Also, you can CANVASS me any day, Gerda, but should probably note my propensity to call (!)voter fraud whenever things don't go my way (). Anyway, trying to take it easy today, with the occasional bouts of ] 19:28, 11 February 2021 (UTC)
			::::::::: Fine, easy today, will explain "canvass" some other day, also why I think the animosity is inherited, because the listing described really doesn't explain it, - although I can see (now) that the red background - about as red as your top image - could be seen as inflammatory. But a reason to leave Misplaced Pages? --] (]) 20:17, 11 February 2021 (UTC)
			::::::::: Easier today, with progress on BWV 1. Back to the beginning, Hebrew: we miss ], terribly, and one of the many things she would have done for me is adding the text of a psalm to the article, compare ] and ]. The text can be found at the bottom, in External links. I could probably manage but would feel safer if someone did it who could actually read it. --] (]) 10:44, 12 February 2021 (UTC)
			::::::::::{{Done}}. Oh, good, glad to hear it. Yup, I well know Yoninah for her top-tier contributions. I wouldn't count our losses yet, though. She's only been gone less than a month. Hopefully, she'll return soon. ''*Sending positive vibes*'' ] 11:01, 12 February 2021 (UTC)
			:::::::::::Haha! Dangerous terrain (), who would have thunk it? (Seriously, I didn't.) ] 11:07, 12 February 2021 (UTC)
			::::::::::::Hmm. I confess to being puzzled (). Anyway, pinged you to ]. Hopefully, my confusion can be assuaged. ] 11:32, 12 February 2021 (UTC)
			::::::::::::: did it? (I had an edit conflict there) - thank you for a new word, "assuaged" --] (]) 11:37, 12 February 2021 (UTC)
			::::::::::::::See the trouble you get me into? Now to ''ameliorate!'' ] 11:39, 12 February 2021 (UTC)
			::::::::::::::: going out again, sun and snow, will think about amelioration when walking --] (]) 12:03, 12 February 2021 (UTC)
			::::::::::::::::Obligatory spam! ] 12:27, 12 February 2021 (UTC)
			::::::::::::::::: refreshed: for spam (subject of my first article, which was supposed to be the only one, but it had this red link ...) --] (]) 15:36, 12 February 2021 (UTC)
			::::::::::::::::::Very nice, but I still think I'm owed some Psalms-related comforting! ] 20:38, 12 February 2021 (UTC)
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			::::::::::::::::::: "no good thing will he withhold from them that walk uprightly" --] (]) 20:48, 12 February 2021 (UTC)
			::::::::::::::::::::Thanks, I like that a lot! ] 20:49, 12 February 2021 (UTC)
			::::::::::::::::::::: Sadly: more work for you, ]. --] (]) 11:02, 17 March 2021 (UTC)
			Guess what, <s>] and</s> ] make progress. You mentioned AE. I was there, last 2015. It was so awful that I dropped all pride (and it felt like ] - watch out for Psalm 110 there) and appealed (and even successfully so). ] ;) --] (]) 23:01, 15 February 2021 (UTC)
	:::No, not about you. About ] (linked above). Your new account is welcomed here, which is why I welcomed you. ] 00:42, 5 February 2008 (UTC)
			:I'll take some startlight — been flying too close to the sun lately, truth be told. ] 18:34, 16 February 2021 (UTC)
			:: You are welcome! I made a hook, also for you.
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	I've just emailed you about this too. I've wrote the specifics in the email. Please let me know at your erliest convenience. Thanks.
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	:Why, is there something confidential we can't discuss here? I'd rather do that. I don't check my email that often, I'm afraid. Thank you. ] 23:31, 4 February 2008 (UTC)
			:: One this day nine years ago, I told Voceditenore that she is a voice of opera and reason. In 2018, {{diff|User talk:Voceditenore|863729003|863687257|she said}}: "And, no, there haven't been infobox squabbles in ages. I personally use them all the time now for biographies and operas. There are a few diehards left, but the general attitude from both perspectives seems to have settled on live and let live." So why is it that some still can't settle on live and let live? - The next cookbook author is scheluded to appear as TFA (with a nice infobox btw, as the last), and I will keep the usual thanks to the creator for myself as insistent, but I don't understand. --] (]) 10:54, 17 February 2021 (UTC)
			:::''Love'' the artwork of ] — nicely done! Ah, the vicissitudes of infoboxen, its ebbs and and flow. What a peculiar thing it is. ] 14:55, 17 February 2021 (UTC)
			:::: No, it doesn't. It could just ebb. In 2018, it was no concern. Why is it now? Why can't we just edit the little boxes as other content: someone adds, and if someone reverts, consensus needs to be established. Instead, someone adding, or requesting, or just asking where it went, is considered a warrior. The question where it went often goes like this: when a certain group of editors expanded an article, they collapsed it (thinking that was a compromise, but making life harder for those having physical trouble to click the "show" button). That caused a little edit-war, which was "resolved" by taking it away completely, with ] following. Ever since, we have been reminded that there was this consensus not to have one, and we are supposed to believe that. --] (]) 16:10, 17 February 2021 (UTC)
			:::::For sure, I am like-minded with you in that interpretation. ] should generally be observed, like elsewhere. Indeed, there really isn't an excuse for not doing so. In theory, per ], ] allows admins to just straight-up make it (ONUS) a requirement by adding ] to intractable infobox disputes. My sense is that most admins just do not want to touch these because it usually ends up amounting to a ], ''at best'' — myself, I don't really engage infobox disputes in an AE capacity, because the history and politics AE topic areas keep me busy enough (). ] 16:19, 17 February 2021 (UTC)
			:::::: There are almost no "intractable infobox disputes", really, so DS serves no purpose. The problem is that ]. - I ''love'' your translations. We should have more ''us''. --] (]) 16:36, 17 February 2021 (UTC)
			:::::::Ah, understood. Admittedly, I do not have a firm grasp of what's happening on the infobox front. RE: translations. Many thanks! I appreciate your praise very much. Also ]'s. Strange how it took me hours and hours to do the first one, an hour to do the second one, and 30 minutes to do the third one. But I think I'm now finally satisfied with the final form of all three translations, so at least I'm done with the constant tinkering (though not to jinx it!). ] 16:57, 17 February 2021 (UTC)
			:::::::: For more understanding: imagine - if you can, it takes courage - for a moment that back in 2012, the infobox had been kept as it had been for years then already. Imagine. - Certainly thanks to presentation here, Arik Brauer made it to the stats, DYK? --] (]) 22:48, 18 February 2021 (UTC)
			==== Play Bach ====
			How do you like ? --] (]) 08:46, 19 February 2021 (UTC)
			Enjoy the music, and make ] last. --] (]) 11:18, 19 February 2021 (UTC)
	Ok, sure. I would like to add 2 links to the Kabbalah page. I've added them before but I guess they were deleted. They fit into the Unconventional and non-traditional sites category. You sent me a message twice about putting links across multiple entires (which I will not do anymore.) The last message was about not leaving you a comment (you mentioned it wasn't polite.) I didn't know how to send you a message otherwise I would have. I apologize.
	:Do you mind if I first ask what your relationship is with that website, if any? Thanks again.] 23:38, 4 February 2008 (UTC)		: I always do, Gerda! Yours always, ] 12:00, 19 February 2021 (UTC)
			:: Great music offer! - What do you think of the start of Reception, - the little prince never gives up a question. --] (]) 12:14, 19 February 2021 (UTC)
			:::Not usually a fan of ], but here's ] that really did music-it-up! ] 12:17, 19 February 2021 (UTC)
			:::: Agree about Johann Ernst! ] never gives up a question, "the prince has golden hair, a lovable laugh, and will repeat questions until they are answered". How do you like the ? --] (]) 16:50, 19 February 2021 (UTC)
			:::::One of my favourite books growing up... Reception looks great to me. I think he did a fine job. Top tier musicology. ] 16:54, 19 February 2021 (UTC)
			:::::: I agree, but who is "he"? --] (]) 16:56, 19 February 2021 (UTC)
			::::::: Oh, sorry, did you write that, with him just having merged it? It's a low attention span -day today, so brace yourself! ] 17:04, 19 February 2021 (UTC)
			:::::::: Nonono, I could never write such a thing (+ I'm not a "he" as the writer is, and yes, the obvious "he" just merged it). Two ways to the answer: you follow the links in the edit summary (better the second), or you look at the new article's talk page. Unless you just guess why I come to you of all people with this question, and may guess right. --] (]) 17:17, 19 February 2021 (UTC)
			:::::::::A riddle — noo! There better not be a ''math and science'' test at the end of this! ] 17:21, 19 February 2021 (UTC)
			:::::::::: test? first question in this thread has one (!) link, leading to the initial entry of a new article, with two (but I said better second) links, with the second leading to ]. - a fine job, indeed, not my style, but fine. --] (]) 17:51, 19 February 2021 (UTC)
			:::::::::::Hoping for a ''']'''. That would be about right. ] 17:57, 19 February 2021 (UTC)
			:::::::::::: An unblock would do. --] (]) 19:55, 19 February 2021 (UTC)
			:::::::::::::Gerda, for reasons which are my own, attending to this dispute, in any administrative capacity, just isn't something I wish to engage at this time. Sorry. ] 20:42, 19 February 2021 (UTC)
			:::::::::::::: Understand. Appreciation of outstanding work is better. You can tell other admins ] - my lead image until 2021 came, remember? --] (]) 21:06, 19 February 2021 (UTC)
			:::::::::::::::Of course, happy to pass on genuine positive impressions, always. Yes, I do. Breathtaking, primordial. ] 22:26, 19 February 2021 (UTC)
			:::::::::::::::: "at times heavy to carry" (quoting myself still from the same page which also has the model for Precious, did you see? - the cabal of the outcast, - I told ], feel like Cassandre) --] (]) 23:06, 19 February 2021 (UTC)
			:::::::::::::::::And that's very much okay to express. Also, we can be in diametric opposition about whatever from time to time. That is also okay. ] 23:20, 19 February 2021 (UTC)
			{{od}} ] when you have time - what happened? --] (]) 07:52, 20 February 2022 (UTC)
			==An edit request by Narky Blert==
	I've visited it a few times and have been enjoying their information. I wa ssurprised it wasn't on Misplaced Pages like the Kabbalah center's website etc. Also, they have information on mantra so I wanted to add a link to that respective page too... What would you like me to do? How should I approach this?
			I have just set up an alternative account, {{u|Narky Blert (alt)}}, so that I can edit logged-in until I can regain access to my main account, {{u|Narky Blert}}. (Condensed story - I fell ill in early December, with the result that I was admitted to hospital having being found unconscious after three days. I was discharged after a week, and consider myself recovered. An annoying side-effect was that I broke my PC, and am having trouble in recovering my PWs (that should be possible, but I'm having to rely on third parties).)
			To comply with ], I want to edit ] to add:
	:Well, the content of that website seems to be a bit too promotional and less scholarly than what we are looking for in our external links. And you added it across multiple entries, and even more than once per entry, which for those of us who review high traffic entries tends to, in the vast majority of cases, indicate a promotional effort, one which our ] and ] guard against. Hope that helps. ] 00:51, 5 February 2008 (UTC)
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			at the bottom. However, as a newly-registered user, I cannot. Could I ask you to do this for me?
			As a token of good faith, I offer you "]" - , which strikes me as right up your street. ] (]) 15:02, 6 February 2022 (UTC)
	==El C for President!==
	I just wanted to say that I admire your fairness, conviction, honesty, commitment, intelligence and calm demeanor when under stress and controversy. And to thank you for that. :) Have you ever watched the television series '']''? As you remind me of the character, ], who was the perfect US president (In my eyes, and those of many). Of course he was fictional, but I loved that man and wished he was real, for he had all those qualities with just the right amount of humility. He was able to see the value and had compassion for the individual and country as a whole -- all at the same time. <small>Of course he was eventually assassinated. ;/</small> ←]♥] 01:14, 5 February 2008 (UTC)
	:Gee, GeeAlice, where have you been all my wikilife! Thank you so much for your many kind words, they are greatly appreciated. In answer to your question, no, I have not seen ''24'', but a black US president... now I know it's fiction! Best, ] 21:14, 5 February 2008 (UTC)		:Holy shit! So sorry to hear that, but glad you're on the mend. For sure, I'll get right on that. Wow, that's nuts. Thanks for the song. Glad to have you back, but take it easy, please! Jeez. ] 15:10, 6 February 2022 (UTC)
			::Thanks! I'm feeling better now than I have for months; I must have been building up to that episode which landed me in hospital. Now, if only I could do something about the misbegotten ISP I'm currently on... ] (]) 17:34, 6 February 2022 (UTC)
	== I'm sorry... ==
			:::But you made it, that's the most important thing! '''''' {{smiley}} ] 17:47, 6 February 2022 (UTC)
			== Prayer for Ukraine ==
	Hi El C. I was just looking at my talk page and I realised that you left me a message a couple of weeks ago and that I never responded to it. () I'm really very sorry about that. I've been on a semi-break since before Christmas for medical reasons and so I've had fairly long chunks of time where I've not being able to come online. Anyway, I just wanted to apologise to you. I wasn't ignoring your message, I guess I just didn't notice it when I got back on 30 January. I had a look at the comments and links you posted on my page and I found them quite baffling. I'm not sure what was "not clear" about your request he simply agree to consult with other admins. It seemed quite straightforward to me. Anyway, I signed the RfC earlier today, but I just wanted to apologise for not responding to you. All the best, ] 13:11, 5 February 2008 (UTC)
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			I took a pic in 2009 that was yesterday, with the song from 1885, in English ]. - "Our" next psalm is ], last week's, yesterday we had ] but that - with the guardian angels is already covered, and I added compositions today. --] (]) 11:03, 6 March 2022 (UTC)
			:Wow, did you take that picture with a Nokia flip phone or something? I can count the pixels! (No ] jokes, please! But yes ].) BTW, are you at all familiar with the teachings of ]? ] 11:30, 6 March 2022 (UTC)
			:: I don't remember - keep loosing my cameras. It's an excerpt of a larger pic, of course, and from the time when I joined Misplaced Pages. - No, not familiar, will perhaps look when dark. --] (]) 11:42, 6 March 2022 (UTC)
			:::See ]. Last bulletpoint: {{tq|He emphasized importance of music for spiritual development and religious practice}}. His was probably the most philosophically sophisticated of the ], now known as the ]. Their ] (annual pilgrimage to ], Ukraine) is a pretty big deal in both Israel and Ukraine. ] 11:59, 6 March 2022 (UTC)
			:::: Sounds interesting, but was too busy yesterday. IWD today, so I showing two who didn't make it, one from Russia and one from Ukraine. --] (]) 07:59, 8 March 2022 (UTC)
			:::::Good stuff. Happy International Women's Day! {{smiley}} ] 18:51, 8 March 2022 (UTC)
			:::::: Thank you! Wrote the translation of ] to German, and began ], for the occasion. Sang ] in rehearsal. --] (]) 21:11, 8 March 2022 (UTC)
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			I listened to the charity concert (on radio, it was soon sold out), and created the articles of the composer and the soprano. Alto to follow today. --] (]) 06:10, 11 March 2022 (UTC)
			Do you think you could provide ] (and then 14)? --] (]) 14:19, 12 March 2022 (UTC)
	Thanks for your intervention. I notice the "Shorter RfC" section seems to have been copied to talk twice now. Can you check again? Thanks, ] ] 21:44, 5 February 2008 (UTC)
	:Oh? It should not have been copied unless also removed from the project page; I'll look into it. ] 21:47, 5 February 2008 (UTC)
	::Actually, it was copied twice to talk, removed from the main page, and then added there again. Now we have three instances of it. ] ] 21:49, 5 February 2008 (UTC)
	:::Who added it again? ] 21:50, 5 February 2008 (UTC)
	::::Archtransit himself, apparently. Moved it to his original "response" section. ] ] 21:55, 5 February 2008 (UTC)
	:::::Unbelievable. You would think that one who expresses himself through such formalities, would stick to the ]. ] 22:04, 5 February 2008 (UTC)
			:Nice. It's been a while since my last concert. {{frown}} Those Psalms look dunzo'd. ] 03:03, 14 March 2022 (UTC)
	PSst! I think the word you're looking for is "]". :) ] ] 23:54, 5 February 2008 (UTC)
			::How to listen? ] 05:09, 14 March 2022 (UTC)
			::: To that concert? I don't know, there was a lot of recording going on, but I don't know if for the public. - To ]? - see article. To the Frankfurt concert? - ]! --] (]) 08:33, 14 March 2022 (UTC)
			::: sorry about not having looked "down" enough for the psalms - yesterday was 27, also "dun". --] (]) 08:35, 14 March 2022 (UTC)
			::::Dun'''ZO!''' Yeah, the latest (I'm caught up with the rest), too badzo. ] 16:33, 14 March 2022 (UTC)
			::::: , more music and today's sunset no cow--] (]) 20:49, 17 March 2022 (UTC)
			::::::Nice sunset, still, though! BTW, we've moved past cows. We're doing now. Catch up with the lore! ] 04:40, 18 March 2022 (UTC)
			::::::: : the places where I sang his Dona nobis pacem --] (]) 20:27, 21 March 2022 (UTC)
			::::::::Happy BachDay! {{awesome}} Wow, ] looks like an intergalactic spaceship, with pillars. ] 22:16, 21 March 2022 (UTC)
			::::::::: the place where ] performed first --] (]) 22:20, 21 March 2022 (UTC)
			::::::::::Very cool. It also looks like a spaceship ] but with un-rounded corners. What a twist! ] 22:26, 21 March 2022 (UTC)
			The Prayer is + new flowers, and btw: the TFA is a young writer's first --] (]) 20:01, 23 March 2022 (UTC)
	:What did I say? ] 01:42, 6 February 2008 (UTC)
			:Well done! That deserves flowers (of peace (against all odds)). ] 12:48, 24 March 2022 (UTC)
			:: today for illumination --] (]) 15:58, 25 March 2022 (UTC)
			:::Very nice, can't go wrong with the classics (classics). for yesterday's exaltation (today). ] 16:04, 25 March 2022 (UTC)
			:::: thank you ;) - back to ], it looked done but looking closer, I don't get why Hebrew is shorter, and has a different beginning, and the explanation is that it's not the complete but some sort of difference. Can you check that please? - Prayer for Ukraine: I heard it as "encore" after a live opera performance from Staatsoper Hannover, sung and played with heart by the complete ensemble. --] (]) 22:38, 25 March 2022 (UTC)
			:::: , don't miss the extraordinary marriage of the beginnings of the theme of ], and ] - ]! --] (]) 19:47, 27 March 2022 (UTC)
			:::::{{like}}. Congrats! You are a musical editing machine! In answer to your question: some of the Aramaic-derived Hebrew words combine nouns and verbs all in a single word. ] 14:04, 28 March 2022 (UTC)
			:::::: thank you, , heard on 11 March --] (]) 16:01, 29 March 2022 (UTC)
			:::::: (unless you already do) please help watching the TFA ] because the author is not active --] (]) 08:34, 31 March 2022 (UTC)
			:::::::I have virtually every major military engagement on my watchlist. But I haven't opened my watchlist in 2022 yet, so there's that. ] 12:17, 31 March 2022 (UTC)
			:::::::: Not sure if I understand. I look at my watchlist about once per hour. You could just look at editing history every now and then, or do nothing. I wanted to write about an Israeli conductor today but came a feminist - the perfect topic for women's month. Her pic is on the Main page, and I learned a lot expanding. --] (]) 13:12, 31 March 2022 (UTC)
			:::::::::Cool. Also, I love train conductors, too! RE: Watchlist, see: ] (btw, I've long surpassed 100K for some reason). ] 13:17, 31 March 2022 (UTC)
			:::::::::: now that's so funny: when I was about to pass 55.555 I decided that this was nonsense and began to reduce one by one, having reached 42k+ - this conductor leads an orchestra, but my grandfather was a train conductor --] (]) 13:24, 31 March 2022 (UTC)
			:::::::::: Could you please do me a favour regarding ]: do the Hebrew in the normal fashion. What's there is a subset, has no verse numbers, - tricky. --] (]) 13:28, 31 March 2022 (UTC)
			:::::::::::Double cool! Also, I definitely agree with you: train, orchestra conductors — basically the same thing, interchangeable. ] 13:31, 31 March 2022 (UTC)
			:::::::::::What, never! ] 13:31, 31 March 2022 (UTC)
			::::::::::::Okay, I did ] 13:41, 31 March 2022 (UTC)
			== Thanks re Myanmar ==
			Hi El C,
	== Re: Unblocking ==
			I know it was a while ago but I want to thank you for your patience with me on the Myanmar articles. I have a tendency to get flustered when coming under attack, so I made some mistakes when that happened with some new editors who happened to be from Myanmar. I have a lot of sympathy for their situation, though. I edit in that area because it's one of the most backwards regimes in the world but that gets very little attention. Anyway, thanks and happy holidays. ] (]) 18:23, 8 December 2023 (UTC)
			:Sorry for the belated reply, ], and thank you for your kind words, it means a lot. Happy hollidays to you, too! {{smiley}} ] 17:17, 24 December 2023 (UTC)
			::I'm currently watching the top gear special in Myanmar. Happy Holidays El_C! ] (]) 17:19, 24 December 2023 (UTC)
			:::Happy Holidays to you, as well, my friend! {{smiley}} ] 17:21, 24 December 2023 (UTC)
			::Hi I am back with a new name! I'm planning on focusing my work going forward more on content creation. I regret being at times insensitive in my approach to other editors in the Myanmar area, so I just wanted to ask, if you happen to notice me editing in a less-than-collaborative way, could you please give me a nudge in the right direction, even if it doesn't rise to anything actionable? I would greatly appreciate it. I will go through the normal channels from now on if there is something that I believe needs admin attention. ] (]) 18:54, 19 March 2024 (UTC)
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	Fair enough. The user was reported to AIV, which was my reason for taking action. Sorry to step on your toes ;) ] (]) 10:44, 6 February 2008 (UTC)
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	:No, not at all. That makes sense. Thanks again. ] 10:45, 6 February 2008 (UTC)
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	::Were you in fact referring to ]? I blocked him, not ]. ] (]) 10:57, 6 February 2008 (UTC)
			:A little bit strange for naive user. ] 13:04, 12 December 2023 (UTC)
	:::Oh, I got dyslexic on those two, didn't I! ] 10:59, 6 February 2008 (UTC)
	:I understand your mixup now, and the reason for the unblock (I crossed out the message on ]). I would appreciate next time you contact the blocking admin first before an unblock. ]<sup>]</sup> 11:06, 6 February 2008 (UTC)
	::As I understand yours. I would appreciate next time you read the talk page of the user you block. ] 11:08, 6 February 2008 (UTC)
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			:Many thanks, ], merry Christmas and happy new year to you too! 🎅 ] 08:48, 19 December 2023 (UTC)
	Hi, El C. Please check your email. ] 19:16, 6 February 2008 (UTC)
	:Responded to the latest, yesterday (will refactor on your talk page). ] 10:20, 9 February 2008 (UTC)
			== ] ==
	==Hello==
	] is a POV-warrior who is only here on Misplaced Pages to engage in revert wars (and nothing else beyond that). If you check his edit history, not one single edit he has made, have been constructive and of any significance. Also, in his reverts (in content disputes), he calls it vandalism when he removes information he doesn't like. I think this user needs to be receive a warning and perhaps a 24h block or something. Here are two examples: He's only here to provoke and nothing else. &mdash; <small><small>]&nbsp;(]&nbsp;'''·''' ]) 13:53, 11 February 2008 (UTC)</small></small>
	:Is this still a pressing issue? ] 03:59, 15 February 2008 (UTC)
	::Sort of. He's been off for a few days, but his last edit was quite fanatical. He'll be back soon and I suggest you keep an eye on him. &mdash; <small><small>]&nbsp;(]&nbsp;'''·''' ]) 16:12, 16 February 2008 (UTC)</small></small>
	:::Well, I can't tell what's what; and in light of our past history, I'm not that inclined to take your word for it. ] 15:55, 3 March 2008 (UTC)
	== ] has resumed canvassing. ==
			Thank you for the page protection, could you please restore the infobox image, the IP changed it right before you set the protection. Thank you, - <span style="font-family:Trebuchet MS">] <small>(])</small></span> 16:51, 19 December 2023 (UTC)
	See ] for background on this user, and ]. Blatant SPA with POV intent, probable meat puppetry if not sock puppetry, I think I put links on the RfA Talk page. Obviously, even if I had the buttons, I couldn't use them here (nor elsewhere, at all, anything touching this user, beyond comment like this, would be obvious COI for me.) Thanks for your attention. --] (]) 16:42, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
			:And you reverted 30 minutes prior to that. That's just the luck of the draw. ] 17:00, 19 December 2023 (UTC)
	:I am disappointed; having an alternate account does not mean a license to act contemptuously. I would have blocked for longer than 24 hours and banned him from the RfA page. Which may still be a good idea if he's active there. ] 03:59, 15 February 2008 (UTC)
			::Thanx for supporting an editwaring IP. - <span style="font-family:Trebuchet MS">] <small>(])</small></span> 17:07, 19 December 2023 (UTC)
			:::As opposed to an edit warring veteran editor? It takes two to edit war, and you do not get supremacy over an IP editor by virtue of being a veteran editor. So you can take your ] complaint and sarcasm elsewhere. ] 17:13, 19 December 2023 (UTC)
			::::I'm done here, you prob now. - <span style="font-family:Trebuchet MS">] <small>(])</small></span> 17:24, 19 December 2023 (UTC)
			:::::Works for me, even though I don't understand what is meant by {{tq|you prob now}} (what is a "prob"?). ] 17:28, 19 December 2023 (UTC)
			::::::I have tried to discuss this issue on the talk page, but I am met only with vague responses and rationalizations about why an obscure 1975 photo is somehow more appropriate. Instead user FlightTime seems to be giving off the feeling that he is superior and because "they said so" therefore the old photo must be sealed for eternity.
			::::::Are we serving the public on Misplaced Pages or our own interests? What would actually be more recognizable for the general public, a more recent photo of Mr. Lear (of which there are many, again just look at google image results), or a cropped and not easily identifiable one that some users are stubbornly insisting be used? ] (]) 18:50, 19 December 2023 (UTC)
			:::::::I know you tried, IP. If you end up at an impasse on the talk page, you could always try seeking a ] or even a more substantive ]. HTH. ] 18:54, 19 December 2023 (UTC)
			::::::::Thank you for your considerate responses. ] (]) 19:21, 19 December 2023 (UTC)
			::::::::What would be the process for Third Opinion or Request for Comment should it come to that? ] (]) 19:35, 19 December 2023 (UTC)
			:::::::::I already linked it. ] 19:46, 19 December 2023 (UTC)
			== ] ==
	==Toledano Tradition?==
			Hi. The EEA page keeps attracting some unwanted attention for the last month or so. I see that you've protected the page once already. Would it be possible to do it again? ] (]) 12:23, 23 December 2023 (UTC)
	Perhaps you could advise me how to deal with a problem concerning an article called ]. The term is, as far as I know, entirely the creation of ], a popular writer on Kabbalah; and I think it should probabily be merged with his article. I left the message, below, on the article's talk page.
			:] ''']'''&#32;for a period of '''6 months''', after which the page will be automatically unprotected.<!-- Template:RFPP#semi --> ] 16:33, 24 December 2023 (UTC)
			== Protection ] ==
	<blockquote>It is my understanding that the name "Toledano Tradition" is really associated with the teaching of Warren Kenton. I know of no one who referred to a specific Toledano Tradition before he started to publish his series of books. If the name was used to describe a specific Kabbalah tradition, in use previous to Kenton, you should site some sources. If it was not used previous to Kenton, you should make it clear that the article is about the views and teaching of Kenton. Malcolm Schosha (talk) 16:17, 6 February 2008 (UTC)</blockquote>
			Looks like you put an extended autoconfirmed protection at ] on the ground that it's related to the Arab-Israeli conflict because there was a minor edit war over whether to include the minor point that the role of ] in the Congressional hearing on Anti-semitism was originally given to ]. I don't follow the logic.
	There has been no reply, and I would like to know what would be the best approach for solving the problem. Thanks. ] (]) 19:46, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
	:Place a {{tl|fact}} tag on the disputed addition/passage, and, if in a week or so no ] are provided that discuss this tradition (i.e. aside from the aforementioned writer), remove it. Hope that helps. Regards, ] 03:59, 15 February 2008 (UTC)
			The edit war had nothing to do with Anti-semitism per se, and absolutely nothing to do with the Arab-Israeli conflict. It should be noted that ] is not protected at all. Please consider this a request to unprotect the article. ] (]) 17:06, 24 December 2023 (UTC)
	== Barry Jameson block review ==
			:], just because you fail to identify a connection does not make it ''absolutely'' this or that; nor am I interested in ] whataboutism. That said, I'm not inherently opposed to unprotecting in a month or so, so feel free to remind me at that time. ] 17:14, 24 December 2023 (UTC)
			== Which Indonesia-related articles that are extended protected? ==
	I had hoped that we'd get some senior admin review of my judgement in calling the situation, but it rapidly turned into the usual pedophillia related dogpile. I think you made the right call in closing and redacting it. Thanks. ] (]) 03:06, 15 February 2008 (UTC)
	:Thanks, George. I appreciate your confidence. I am drafting my note to arbcom-l at the moment, including my block of GroomingVictim. ] 03:14, 15 February 2008 (UTC)
	:: May I ask two things: 1. What exactly is a "pedophillia related dogpile"? It ''sounds'' as though George is ], but I'm sure that couldn't be correct. 2. Why is it "inappropriate" to discuss the block publicly when it was specifically requested to do so?
	:: The ''appearance'' is that a vendetta-like shutdown of anything but blind agreement is in progress. I would like to think and certainly hope and want to believe that such is not the case. There seems to be clear support for the Barry block ''not'' being indef. The SPA allegation was demonstrated false, but that was redacted.
	:: Can you see why it looks questionable? One of the strengths of Misplaced Pages has been its transparency, and I hope that we are not losing that. For the record, I agree with the block but recognize that Barry has made some and has attempted to make more decent edits. He's far from perfect and perhaps needs some mentoring, but an indef block is wholly excessive. At bare minimum, though, regardless of the final outcome, I think it would be in everyone's best interests (and Misplaced Pages's credibility) to not give ANY semblance of a sweep under the rug.
	:: And I certainly hope that the above comment was not meant as a name-calling personal attack. Some might view it that way. I'd prefer not to and would like to have confirmation as such. ] (]) 05:32, 15 February 2008 (UTC)
	:::This isn't a matter that's open to public debate. Please direct all related queries to the Arbitration Committee via email. Thanks. ] 05:45, 15 February 2008 (UTC)
	:::: Is there a manner for those of us who do not wish to disclose our email addresses? Therein lies the rub. (And I think the two questions are sufficiently unrelated to be answered irrespective of this particular block... they could be answered as they are general in nature, are they not?) ] (]) 05:48, 15 February 2008 (UTC)
	:::::To my knowledge, no, there is no other mechanism. ] 05:57, 15 February 2008 (UTC)
	: Okay, so that sortof discourages participation. The questions still remain and the implications of them is somewhat disturbing... If possible, I'd really appreciate some clarification from someone.
	:# 1. What exactly is a "pedophillia related dogpile"? It ''sounds'' as though George is ], but I'm sure that couldn't be correct.
	:#2. Why is it "inappropriate" to discuss the block publicly when it was specifically requested to do so?
	: Thank you for understanding and taking the concerns seriously enough to allay them. ] (]) 06:00, 15 February 2008 (UTC)
			Are there any Indonesia related articles on Misplaced Pages that are extended-protected? ] (]) 01:46, 26 December 2023 (UTC)
	::In answer to your first question, I don't know what George meant, you should ask him since he was the one who made the statement. In answer to your second question, the Arbitration Committee has decided to treat these issues as confidential, this notwithstanding the fact that some administrators may be unaware of this decision, thus, requesting comment as they would any other block. Thanks. ] 06:13, 15 February 2008 (UTC)
			:I'm not sure, ]. ] 12:21, 2 January 2024 (UTC)
			== 2023–24 Canadian network television schedule ==
	: 1. No problem. Hoping George will also see it and answer here (simpler centralized). 2. I think I understand. Is that the standing routine for all indef blocks and is that new? I ask because I've seen other indef blocks debated on and on before, so my brain is trying desperately to understand the nuances. ] (]) 06:20, 15 February 2008 (UTC)
			Can I get a temporary protection for ] like was done with ]? As the vandalism by 81.25.78.185 is still continuing. ] (]) 22:33, 27 December 2023 (UTC)
	::It is strictly limited to pedophilia-related blocks. It is relatively new. Since April 2007, I believe. ] 06:24, 15 February 2008 (UTC)
			:Sorry, ], I don't have time to review this at present, so please feel free direct your request to ]. ] 12:19, 2 January 2024 (UTC)
			== Request for creation-unprotection for the ']' article ==
	=== Long-winded explanation ===
	To clarify my comment - No, I don't believe that everyone opposed to the block is a pedophile. At least one of them has had a nuanced but clearly anti-Pedophile stance on stuff I've seen, and I make no sweeping generalization about the rest, though there are a couple I was concerned about.
			Can you please unprotect the ']' article (with a lowercase 'i') from creation so I can create a redirect for it to the ']' article (with an uppercase 'I')? ] (]) 03:50, 1 January 2024 (UTC)
	We've had a policy of "special handling" of problems of this nature for some time - I wasn't aware of the latest no-public-discussion wrinkle that El C cited policy for here, but I am not suprised. This is far from the first time something like this has happened.
			:] '''Done'''<!-- Template:RFPP#done -->. Downgraded to ] from ]. ] 12:18, 2 January 2024 (UTC)
			== Restore indefinite semi ==
	We have to be extremely careful with this topic on-wiki. For one, we have kids around, and we have some duty to protect them. For another, this is a Public Relations hot-button-item - online child sexual predation on internet communities is a big deal now. For another, the topic becomes an intensely hot-button item very rapidly in public discussions. Some people are so vehemently opposed to it that anyone with a nuanced point of view more grey than "burn them" is seen as pro-pedophile, and conversely anyone seeking user sanctions against anyone who is not loudly and clearly actually a pedophile is censoring and interfering with people's rights to have opinions and advocate them.
			Hi, El_C, greetings of the new year! Can you please restore indef-semi at ]? Thanks, ] (]) 12:48, 1 January 2024 (UTC)
	Add to all of this that very few of us volunteers here are in any way familiar in a proper training sense with identifying actual risk factors, so we're running a risk of making mistakes, and need to be somewhat cautious as a result.
			:] '''Done'''<!-- Template:RFPP#done -->. And thanks, same to you. ] 12:17, 2 January 2024 (UTC)
			== 2024 ==
	The policy as it stands is not really subject to public debate... Jimmy and Arbcom and senior admins imposed it by fiat. A lot of the public objections to the block started to rehash the policy debate related to that policy, which is not OK. It's not a community policy - it's an administratively imposed one, imposed by community leaders.
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	The question of whether my judgement on Barry's actions in editing was correct or not is something I hope to have reviewed. The question of whether the policy was good isn't, and was a big part of the discussion that ensued. I should have known better, because I've seen it happen several times before, but I honestly wanted more feedback on whether my indef of Barry was an accurate read on the situation. ] (]) 08:51, 15 February 2008 (UTC)
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	:Not long-winded, that was good. Thanks again for the thoughtful comments, George. ] 08:59, 15 February 2008 (UTC)
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			Same location pictured as 2019. -- ] (]) 20:52, 2 January 2024 (UTC)
			:Thanks, all the best for the coming year. ] 15:15, 3 January 2024 (UTC)
			:: Thank you! - The 2023 picture is from the Abel Fest in Köthen, celebrating the tercentenary of Carl Friedrich Abel, a viol virtuoso, composer and concert organiser in London (together with Bach's youngest son), born on 22 December 1723 in Köthen, where the new ] was introduced, - my ]. --] (]) 21:45, 5 January 2024 (UTC)
			:: New pics, those cows again - click Year and go to bottom. --] (]) 23:43, 9 January 2024 (UTC)
			:: I have a DYK, but ] would be different, about ], - . --] (]) 11:04, 12 January 2024 (UTC)
			:: On the Main page: ] who ] --] (]) 19:28, 16 January 2024 (UTC)
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			:: I remember ] on ], and the performance of ], the article in which a reviewer found nothing interesting. Yesterday: ]. On vacation, - check places. --] (]) 20:46, 26 January 2024 (UTC)
			:::Nicely done! Thanks for the updates. Hope you enjoy your vacation, and do I even need to say, take lot's of pics? {{smiley}} ] 20:48, 26 January 2024 (UTC)
			:::: Thank you, enjoying, taking tons of pictured, 23 chosen for 23 Jan, 6 uploaded, too tired for more - on my talk you see that it's the birthday of Mozart and our conductor ;) --] (]) 23:57, 27 January 2024 (UTC)
			:::: Today ], with related music and a few new vacation pics --] (]) 19:57, 30 January 2024 (UTC)
			== Could you please have a look into this? ==
	=== GV ===
	For my own edification, and because I would hate to make the same mistake unintentionally, may I ask what was "potentially problematic" about GoomingVictim's userpage? I didn't recall anything particularly unusual about it compared to any other userpage and I just read through the last version (before you blanked it for the above concerns) and still cannot figure out what's problematic about it. The only thing I could come up with was that he posted an email address, but Misplaced Pages allows email through its own system so that doesn't seem all to odd. There wasn't any sort of personal declarations (such as self-identification with forbidden groups, conditions, or beliefs), and nothing I saw as over-revealing of personal information. No advertising, and no personal attacks. What am I missing? ] (]) 05:58, 15 February 2008 (UTC)
	:The account is indefinitely blocked, and that's reason enough to blank the page. I'm not going to specify beyond that at this time, sorry. ] 06:13, 15 February 2008 (UTC)
	::Could you at least clarify to those editors that are befuddled by this block and the method in which it is being addressed why all communication regarding ] and the blocking of him is going on in private? I'm not sure why this block deserves this kind of precautions, and public discussion is less likely to feed all the conspiracy theories going around. If this editor did something inappropriate, or edited in a disruptive manner, and hard evidence is provided to corroborate this, I'm sure no one will argue against corrective action. However, as of right now, it's very unclear on what grounds this editor has been labeled as editing in a pro-pedophile activist manner. The thing is that Misplaced Pages is largely about openness, and it doesn't bode well for the project to have discussion about controversial blocks going on behind the scenes, instead of out in public. How can any kind of community or admin consensus be reached, if ArbCom is the one handling this situation? Hope you don't mind the inquiry, but blocks like these are just confusing, to say the least. ~ ] (]) 06:26, 15 February 2008 (UTC)
	:::Sorry, I cannot. Rest assured that if the Committee takes issue with my block, the consequences for me will be severe. Thanks. ] 06:32, 15 February 2008 (UTC)
	:::: That sounds too much like a "trust me to be trusted". I realize that it's not ''you'' and that it's Misplaced Pages (or at least a larger admin/policy group), but like Homologeo said, it can start the conspiracy theorists. Is there a place that, when the Committee is "done", they at least post their decisions? Like ''Misplaced Pages:Results of secret ArbCom discussions'' or something? ] (]) 06:47, 15 February 2008 (UTC)
	:::::], while the last part of your comment is funny, please be careful with the sarcasm ;-) Same goes for your comment below. ~ ] (]) 06:54, 15 February 2008 (UTC)
	:::::It is a lot me, too, as I was the one who originally asked for these measures from the Arbitration Committee on their mailing list. I think, when it comes to possible pro-pedophilia activism, we are willing to make an exception, and are far better served in being seen as censors than as moral relativists. Thanks again. ] 07:02, 15 February 2008 (UTC)
	:::::: I didn't mean for that to be (too) sarcastic. At least a page like that would make it plain that things got discussed and decided. Is there a place for peasant editors like us to find out what's going on in the WikiIvory WikiTowers? Seriously, I would love to see something like that page where at least the results, even if they were somewhat cryptic (limiting personal details, perhaps) were available. I think it would prevent a lot of repeat problems (learning from others' mistakes) and also enhance the Good Faith feeling of admins in general, for as we all know some people have a low opinion of all of them (as opposed to me... I only have a low opinion of a couple that have ''demonstrated'' their poor behaviors, and I haven't run across any like that for quite awhile, which is a good thing). ] (]) 06:58, 15 February 2008 (UTC) '':-D''
	:::::::If they do not say anything, I take it to indicate that the block stands. ] 07:02, 15 February 2008 (UTC)
			Hi @]
	=== Removing comments from ANI ===
			A user yesterday has made personal attacks against me aggressively, I brought the issue to the notice of administrators, one user happened to advice the user to strike out their personal comments on me, they still haven't done that. If possible, could you please look into this issue? -Misplaced Pages:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents#Aggressive attacks for starting a discussion on an article's talk page | Removal of template
	It would be helpful if you would cite the policy you are invoking to remove comments. Without that, it appears rather arbitrary. ] (]) 06:23, 15 February 2008 (UTC)
	:I am removing it per . ] 06:25, 15 February 2008 (UTC)
	::Try mentioning that ''when'' you remove the comments. Some little note tucked away on your talk page (which will eventually be archived) isn't really enlightening to the masses. ] (]) 06:28, 15 February 2008 (UTC)
	::Wait, so this somehow became a policy now? Pardon my expression, but what is going on with Misplaced Pages? ~ ] (]) 06:31, 15 February 2008 (UTC)
	:::Operating procedure, at least. I attached it to ]. I seem to have forgot to add to the GV, sorry about that. ] 06:34, 15 February 2008 (UTC)
	:::: I agree that if this is going to be ''policy'', it needs to be codified into an actual policy. How about ''Misplaced Pages:Don't you dare edit a pedophilia article'' or ''Misplaced Pages:Activism is not allowed, period''. (I like the latter...!) ] (]) 06:48, 15 February 2008 (UTC) '':-)''
	:::::I think that's rather hyperbolic. Rather, it is damaging for our reputation to have single-purpose accounts who almost exclusively edit these set of articles and do so in a, broadly, sympathetic manner. ] 07:06, 15 February 2008 (UTC)
	::::::That would be "]" reputation as a repository for all things pop culture related? ] ] (]) 07:13, 15 February 2008 (UTC)
	:::::::I'm not sure I understand that question. ] 07:15, 15 February 2008 (UTC)
			Thank you :) ] (]) 09:33, 5 January 2024 (UTC)
	: (Unindent after TWO Edit Conflicts...) I don't think so. I've stated before that POV-pushing should not be allowed. The thing is this: it shouldn't be allowed at all. We shouldn't allow XYZ-Activist editing but allow ABC-Activist editing. Should we allow Creationists to bias articles toward Creationism but forbid (and permaban) non-creationists from biasing articles away from it? No... Neither should be "allowed" to violate ] and both should be rebuked. Same with the pro-pedophile activism ''and'' anti-pedophile activism. One pushes to allow ] while the other pushes to vilify people for thought. Neither should be able to push for their "agenda". This applies to anything else... ] and ], ] and ], ] and ]. All I want to see is codification and an even application of true ] policies across Misplaced Pages. I think that would help to bolster even more Misplaced Pages's reputation and credibility. ] (]) 07:18, 15 February 2008 (UTC)
	: Side Note: Barry and GrooV were not Single-Purpose Accounts. They had focused edits in limited areas, but by no means edited only one track. Barry edited, among others, ]! How is THAT related to ]? Exactly.
			:], it looks like another admin is already attending to it, so I'm not sure what there is for me to do right now... ] 09:40, 5 January 2024 (UTC)
	::You don't think so what? Obviously, it was decided to treat pro-pedophilia activism differently. As for them not being single-purpose accounts, I was unable to find in ] a single edit that's unrelated to pedophilia. But even if there was a few, we do not define single-purpose editing through a rigid criteria of everything or nothing. It'd be self-defeating. ] 07:31, 15 February 2008 (UTC)
			::Ok @]
	: I can vaguely understand why one type of POV-pushing is bad (and all the others accepted?); it's a politics thing. And while GrooV has a limited focus, he's edited on both Pro- and Anti- articles... not only that, I think that , it's a little early to determine... I long for the day when a true ] will be enacted, so that it doesn't matter WHY or HOW one is pushing an agenda, the mere pushing of an agenda (bad-faith pushing, as some agenda-pushing is usually unintentional in all areas) is cause for concern. Agreed? ] (]) 07:36, 15 February 2008 (UTC)
			::I wasn't aware that another admin is attending it.
	::I'm not sure how to respond to that. But, certainly, I think your description is overly simplistic. ] 07:54, 15 February 2008 (UTC)
			::Thank you for your quick response :) ] (]) 09:42, 5 January 2024 (UTC)
	==Find Kitty==
			:::Sure np, ]. Yeah, you ] to him 3 minutes before posting here. ] 09:53, 5 January 2024 (UTC)
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	== WP:AE (2) ==		== Hey, long time no chat! ==
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	I saw your current post on WP:AE. When you step back, can you look at the two lower reports related to the same ArbComm case? The admins who have been active on the page in the 48 hours since those reports were edited all consider themselves to not meet the case's definition of "uninvolved admin". So, as far as I can tell, they haven't been investigated yet. (I'm one of the admins declining to investigate.) ] 00:14, 16 February 2008 (UTC)
	:Are you sure? Because it appears to me as if Rlevse is the one handling it, so I don't want to step on his toes (and any potential solution he has in mind) by blocking the lot of em for a while, which is almost certainly what I would opt for (''then'', with all that noise reduced, I would look into the basis for the complaint on the other, more substantive fronts). I am interested to learn what you would do, though... ] 07:09, 16 February 2008 (UTC)
	::I'm not touching it with a ten foot pole for a few reasons. Since I'm not touching it with a ten foot pole, I'm not wasting my time investigating by finding the context for the original diffs. First, back in April 2006 I was involved in a POV balancing dispute on a related article. Not that it reached the level of a dispute needing outside attention or administrative attention, but it was a content dispute - so I've got a related content dispute in my history and don't meet the case's definition of uninvolved admin. Second, I was the admin who said "I am willing to unblock" and got RFAR/Palestine Remembered accepted by the ArbComm - in the end, the blocking admin accepted that the block was wrong so the case settle amicably, but I've been active and could be seen as biased. Third, I was somewhat involved in the Allegations of Apartheid RFAR, becoming involved after that mess got quite incivil at DRV. I don't think items 2 and 3 disqualify me, but some folks could see me as biased because of them. Fourth, I've got a itchy trigger finger where Jaakabou is concerned, and am not willing to anything more active than page protections where he is involved (though I'll comment as I see fit) - I've been attacked by both Jaakabou and PR for being biased in favor of the other during the course of trying to moderate their interactions. ] 22:06, 16 February 2008 (UTC)
	:Ah. I, too, am unlikely to be "wasting my time investigating by finding the context for the original diffs," unless I know my help is sought. ] 07:13, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
	== FYI (Bishonen's image)==
			Hi ]! Do you know what's up with ] as of late? Outside of his arrest in 2022, I haven't heard anything... :-) ]<sup><small><b>] ]</b></small></sup> 06:13, 7 January 2024 (UTC)
	I've mentioned your name here. I do remember seeing you adding that template, I am sure; I remember thinking it was one less image I had to worry about. ] (]) 04:01, 17 February 2008 (UTC)
	:No, that wasn't me. But that was a strange deletion. Unfortunately, the admin behind it does not appear too inclined to discuss it, either. ] 07:13, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
	::Turns out it was Nandesuka, and s/he has gotten the image reinstated as far as I can see. I will check to make sure there is a NFUr on the image page and hopefully that will be the end of this silliness. I rather doubt it, however, given Betacommandbot's current schedule. ] (]) 07:23, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
	:: Yeah, I'm not sure what happened there. I added the NFUr template, but beta deleted it anyway. Presumably I got something wrong the first time; I wouldn't mind a second pair of eyes making sure I got the tag right. ] (]) 13:47, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
	:::Well, it turns out that it needs an additional tag that actually names the article in which the image appears, so I used one of the templates hanging around, and it shouldn't bounce back up again. The things we do to satisfy that bot... ] (]) 15:05, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
	::::I'm not really interested in the image, just keeping the talk page free of boTW/etc. noise. ] 15:24, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
			:Hey. No, no idea. Maybe he's finally staying outta trouble (unlikely). Good to see you, though. Don't be a stranger! ] 17:08, 11 January 2024 (UTC)
	== Che image ==
			== Follow up on disruptive LTA ==
			A while back I made this post on ANI regarding a long term disruptive user-.
	Greetings, El C. ] was deemed to be a non-free image, due to its restriction of being used "to propagate the memory of Ernesto 'Che' Guevara". We can still use it in article space under a fair-use claim, but non-free images aren't allowed in user space (such as at the top of this page). I know, it's a little weird, since you ''are'' using the image as allowed by the copyright holder, but Misplaced Pages's rules don't allow it, unfortunately. Sorry to bring bad news. All the best, &ndash; ] <sup>(]) (])</sup> 14:35, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
			Unfortunately they're back at it again with their trolling and nonsense with two different ranges- and this . Look at some of his most recent edits- + + . I was hoping these two ranges could also be blocked for persistent vandalism. ] (]) 21:01, 8 January 2024 (UTC)
	: We're not ]s. If the use is allowed, then we should just leave it be. If the rule is written poorly, it should be rewritten.- ] <sup>]</sup> 14:38, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
			:Hi. I take it this was resolved at ANI...? ] 17:08, 11 January 2024 (UTC)
			::Hey, unfortunately the user is back again with a different range. I filed a report at ANI but if you could look into it that would be great-. ] (]) 16:10, 19 January 2024 (UTC)
			:::], sorry, what is the link? ] 22:18, 24 January 2024 (UTC)
			==FYI==
	::Agreed. This is dumb. This is silly. El_C, ] here and keep the image if you want. (And I'm a fervent capitalist, FWIW.) ] (]) 14:41, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
			Hello, El C,
			Regarding ], just a reminder that when you draftify an article from main space to Draft space, the remaining redirect needs to be deleted as a CSD R2. You can either delete it yourself or tag it for speedy deletion and an admin who patrols CSD categories can take care of it.
	:::FYI, ] doesn't apply to our ], since it is an official Exemption Doctrine Policy as required by the ]. Changing this rule (no non-free images in userspace) would require a new resolution by the board. I sympathize, but when we play on Wikimedia's servers, we have to play by Wikimedia's rules. &ndash; ] <sup>(]) (])</sup> 15:08, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
			Thanks and have an awesome weekend! It's going to be frigid here in the Northwest U.S.. <span style="font-family:Papyrus; color:#800080;">]</span> <sup style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: #006400;">] ]</sup> 02:58, 13 January 2024 (UTC)
	::Please have a say at ], copyright paranoia gone bananas. --] (]) 14:46, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
			:Sorry, I forgot. But will do, thanks for the reminder. Hope you have a great weekend, too, Liz. Keep warm! {{emoji|2744}} {{emoji|26C4}} ] 03:04, 13 January 2024 (UTC)
	:::That link seems to be broken. &ndash; ] <sup>(]) (])</sup> 15:08, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
	::::]. That should work. ] <sup> ] ]</sup> 16:08, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
	::The rule should say that neither ], nor is ] violation is allowed in userspace. This particular image is non-free, but it is properly licensed for the existing use. This is beyond debate because the image copyright expressly permits, even encourages, this sort of use. - ] <sup>]</sup> 15:38, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
			== Block of ASmallMapleLeaf ==
	If you place the letter of the law over its spirit, the chipmunks sense that and they will refuse petting. ] 21:09, 28 December 2007 (UTC)
			I believe this is quite an inappropriate block since blocks are preventative and not punitive. With the specific incivility and personal attacks aside, I don't see a reason for why they would continue to be disruptive outside that specific instance. I would have agreed more if a temporary block was issued at that time instead. What do you think? <span style="font-family:Iosevka,monospace">0x]</span>→∞ (]) 05:22, 13 January 2024 (UTC)
	:Stop hounding me, already. ] 23:59, 17 February 2008 (UTC)
			:Also, on the ''7th edit crux'' you mentioned at their talk page, I think getting involved in administrative noticeboards while the account is new isn't an issue in and of itself. Well, they aren't new to our ]s, but I don't see that as a reason to believe that they would cause further disruption. Though I don't see it as necessary, a namespace block from WP/WT instead of a full indef would have been less BITE-y. <span style="font-family:Iosevka,monospace">0x]</span>→∞ (]) 05:36, 13 January 2024 (UTC)
	I was willing to accept the image if it was nonfree in theory but free ''de facto'', as the license tag you placed on the image page suggests. Previously, I didn't investigate the correctness of the tag, I just trusted it was correct.
			::I disagree. I think that being as abrasive (as presented in the extensive evidence) by seemingly starting an aggressive anti-UNBLOCKABLES mission in one's 7th edit ''is'' what's inappropriate. And I continue to challenge that, absent an explanation, it is suspect. But feel free to take to the matter a wider forum. ] 06:22, 13 January 2024 (UTC)
	Now I realize that Korda sued people for using the image, which contradicts the wording of the license tags on the Guevara photo images. It appears to be simply false that any use that reminds people of Guevara is acceptable. I don't see how the image can be considered "free" in any sense after the creator has sued people for using it commercially. This must have been discussed before, right? &mdash;&nbsp;Carl <small>(]&nbsp;·&nbsp;])</small> 00:42, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
	:Yes, it was discussed; I brought it up myself. It is free use, we are not making commercial use of it. ] 00:57, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
			:::As well, I believe that your position—presenting this user in the same breath as both new (i.e. {{tq|BITE-y}}) and an experienced user (i.e. {{tq|aren't new to our ]s}})—is both inconsistent and sets a bad standard. About the conduct and direction from new-not-new users. ] 06:30, 13 January 2024 (UTC)
	::In other cases, even if we have explicit permission to use an image, but the license is noncommercial, we don't classify the image as free. This is why the {{tl|withpermission}} tag looks like it does. Applying that general principle to this image, we would classify it as nonfree because it is noncommercial. It seems that Korda made it clear (based on things I see around on WP) that he did not consider the image free, but had a personal set of criteria that he would use to decide if he permitted each use. &mdash;&nbsp;Carl <small>(]&nbsp;·&nbsp;])</small> 01:16, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
			::::A little bit inconsistent, I would agree, but knowing how to cite policies and guidelines doesn't mean they are not a new user. From the comments they have made it doesn't appear to me that they have the same style of argument experienced users make. Perhaps they picked up ''some'' of the experienced-isque elements from reading internal discussions and policy pages, but they still appear new to me. <span style="font-family:Iosevka,monospace">0x]</span>→∞ (]) 06:34, 13 January 2024 (UTC)
			::::I've started a discussion at ] (hopefully that venue isn't dead) <span style="font-family:Iosevka,monospace">0x]</span>→∞ (]) 06:43, 13 January 2024 (UTC)
			:::::Copy that. ] 06:56, 13 January 2024 (UTC)
			::::::They've now asked to be unblocked on their talk page. What are your thoughts on it? <span style="font-family:Iosevka,monospace">0x]</span>→∞ (]) 03:22, 18 January 2024 (UTC)
			== January 2024 ==
	:::It's quite clear that it's conditional free use: free to use according to the conditions he set; that's why I uploaded it, to fulfill those. ] 01:23, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
			] This is your '''only warning'''; if you constructively do admin tasks again, like you did at ], '''you may be given a ] without further warning.''' <!-- Template:Uw-constructive4im --> ] (]) 14:46, 13 January 2024 (UTC)
	::::How is that different than {{tl|withpermission}}? That applies when we have direct written permission to use an image, but we consider it inadequate for noncommercial images. &mdash;&nbsp;Carl <small>(]&nbsp;·&nbsp;])</small> 01:27, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
			:''].'' ] 09:51, 14 January 2024 (UTC)
			== Overhumility ==
	:::::That wiki-legal-speak is not pertinent. He gave general permission to freely use it if it propagates the memory of Che, which I am doing. ] 01:31, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
			People whose English is inelegant don't use the word "inelegant". &#8213;]&nbsp;] 22:46, 24 January 2024 (UTC)
	:Perhaps technically the image is not allowed, but a) I don't see any harm, b) it is not illegal, c) ]. ] 01:33, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
			:'''''''''' ] 22:57, 24 January 2024 (UTC)
			::Homer Simpson: one of history's great philosophers. &#8213;]&nbsp;] 23:00, 24 January 2024 (UTC)
			== Re: ] ==
	::Well, I am not removing it yet, to give El C a chance to explain. But I am less concerned here with the spirit of Che than the spirit of WP. Our spirit is to be a free content project, which means we refuse to accept special permission to use image the authors won't permit everyone else to use. Honestly - how is this different than {{tl|withpermission}}? &mdash;&nbsp;Carl <small>(]&nbsp;·&nbsp;])</small> 01:40, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
			The two intermediate IP edits from 194.125.77.219 should probably be revdel'd as well, because they currently allow some of the problematic changes to be seen. <span style="color:Purple">''' - '''</span>]<span style="color:Purple">'''. '''</span><sub>]</sub> 05:00, 26 January 2024 (UTC)
	::(ec)This is a user talk page, not part of the 💕 we are producing, so once again while I agree there may be a rule against it, I so no harm to the spirit of our goals. ] 01:57, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
			:Got it. Thanks ]. ] 05:03, 26 January 2024 (UTC)
			== Revert Reason ==
	:::I already explained. The spirit of WP is common sense, the ''spirit'' of rules superseding legalistic absolutist application of its letter. ] 01:46, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
			Hi, El_C,
	::::Can I get back to editing now, or am I still waiting? ] 01:57, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
			Just wanted to clear it up, the reason I reverted here was not because it wasn't an inline citation, it was because of ] where an RfC came to the consensus that SimpleFlying is not a reliable source and should not be used in articles. Just wanted to clear that up.
	:::::The spirit of WP is to be a free content project. So it's the spirit of WP that goes against using nonfree images, not the rules, which permit us to use nonfree images in many contexts. I looked at , where the image was discussed before. My main question at the moment is which forum is appropriate for discussing these images more broadly. I'll let you know when I figure it out. &mdash;&nbsp;Carl <small>(]&nbsp;·&nbsp;])</small> 02:05, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
			Thanks! ] (]) 05:58, 26 January 2024 (UTC)
	::::::I've used this image for four years without incident. Lately, it has come under attack every two months or so. It's getting tiresome. Only in the Kafkaeque, Orwellian mindset of Misplaced Pages image philosophy, a conditionally free image like this is somehow not free enough because it cannot be exploited commercially, against the authors wishes. I wouldn't be too eager to call that the spirit of anything, unless you're just, robotically, reciting rhetoric, aimlessly. ] 06:33, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
			:This was already ] by the time you've written the above, VenFlyer98. Can we move on? ] 17:51, 26 January 2024 (UTC)
	:::::::Not hard to imagine what Che would have thought of this. Thanks, ] 06:39, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
			::I wasn’t trying to start anything again, I was literally just explaining myself since you initially responded that the source was good and wanted to make sure my reasoning was understood. Was just explaining myself, I already moved on…
			::Have a good one. ] (]) 19:11, 26 January 2024 (UTC)
			:::You started by explaining to the IP how to cite inline, so I thought that meant ''you'' viewed their source as good. Otherwise why would you open with that and not with: 'sorry, it's a bad source, but if you have a good one, you do is this way'? So, yeah, I missed the second part, ''WP:RSPSIMPLEFLYING'', which probably read like gibberish to me late last night. {{np|Coastie43}}'s quoting it in full (with words), ''Misplaced Pages:Reliable_sources/Perennial_sources#SimpleFlying'' — that by contrast was immediately readable to me. Anyway, this entire conversation just seems so needless. But no biggie. See ya. ] 20:09, 26 January 2024 (UTC)
			== January 2024 ==
	-----
	It's fine, nobody is going to sue. I'm only using the images on my userpage (I'm entitled to the 30k in total, no? Do I not do enough to be allowed that much of images that are only for my page?) Obviously, I am following the freeuse conditions that the copyright holder stipulates: "to propagate the memory of Che" and am doing so as a sympathizer. There are plenty of pressing image issue for folks to expend their energies on then a zero risk one such as this. A bureaucratic effort, or one aiming to make an unrelated point (hopefully, certainly not simply to target me so as to cause me grief), are a waste of energy, too. Thanks, everyone, for reading carefully. ] 12:18, 20 February 2008 (UTC)
			] There is currently a discussion at ] regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you.<!--Template:Discussion notice--><!--Template:ANI-notice--> ] (]) 19:41, 31 January 2024 (UTC)
	:The issue with nonfree images is not at all related to the risk of us being sued. I assume you are already familiar with the free-content arguments, and are simply ignoring them. The aren't bureaucratic arguments about policy; they are arguments about the mission and purpose of Misplaced Pages to be a free content project. Images which can only be used by certain people, or only for certain purposes, are not free images, and pull us away from that mission.
			:{{re|SwiftFan2024}} left a ] there, though that report was already closed. But you could have asked me about it at any time, and I'd have explained why semi was chosen over pc (or any other protection level). Oh well. Well, now you know. ] 04:33, 1 February 2024 (UTC)
	:I have rarely interacted with you and have no desire specifically to cause you grief. I'm planning to nominate the Che images on ] to clarify the license situation, but it won't be until next week, since I will be traveling for several days this weekend. I'll add nonfree use rationales to the images at the same time, for the articles in which they are used. &mdash;&nbsp;Carl <small>(]&nbsp;·&nbsp;])</small> 13:43, 20 February 2008 (UTC)
			== February music ==
	::They have already been nominated on ]; so the constant repetition does seem suspect. On your part, too. But I did have low expectations in being able to reason with you, having seen your conduct on the IRC/RfAr (in fact, I suspect, this is somehow related). ] 13:47, 20 February 2008 (UTC)
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			My ] is about ] celebrating his birthday. -- ] (]) 22:13, 4 February 2024 (UTC)
			Today I am happy about ] on ] (at least for the first hours), after ]. --] (]) 15:24, 7 February 2024 (UTC)
	:::Do you have a link? I saw the previous discussion on FUR, which came out in favor of calling them nonfree (that's what Quadell came here to report). I'll look for a link, too. This is unrelated to IRC; I am much more idealistic about free content than about online chatting. &mdash;&nbsp;Carl <small>(]&nbsp;·&nbsp;])</small> 13:51, 20 February 2008 (UTC)
	::::I think you're idealistic about targeting me. But what goes around comes around. ] 13:53, 20 February 2008 (UTC)		] to ]. --] (]) 21:46, 12 February 2024 (UTC)
			:I applaud your efforts. Another legend gone. R.I.P. ] 21:43, 17 February 2024 (UTC)
			:: Thank you. - I put some effort now into the article for ], marked ready last day ]. --] (]) 22:54, 18 February 2024 (UTC)
			:::Nice, yeah for sure. That page was already {{posted}}, though. TTYS. ] 04:08, 19 February 2024 (UTC)
			:::: Thanks for trying! - The image, taken on a cemetery last year after the funeral of a distant but dear family member, commemorates today, with thanks for their achievements, four subjects mentioned on the Main page and ], a friend here. Listen to ] (an article where ] is pictured), (whose performance on stage I enjoyed two days ago). --] (]) 16:02, 20 February 2024 (UTC)
			:::: Listen to if you like, - I ], and the November concert (at a different church) raised a truckload of winter clothes. My story today is also from my life: I heard the singer in 3 of the 4 mentioned musical items. I ]. --] (]) 10:32, 24 February 2024 (UTC)
			:::::Will do, thanks for the recommend. I'm away for a bit, but hopefully will be back in a few weeks. Talk to you then. All the best, ] 16:25, 26 February 2024 (UTC)
			::::: more music and flowers on ] --] (]) 15:08, 29 February 2024 (UTC)
			== Turkey ==
	:::::Please stop the polemics and any veiled threats. I'm not interested in you personally.
	:::::I don't believe that the image was discussed on PUI, but I could be wrong. Mike Rosoft seems to have thought about nominating it on PUI, but changed his mind and put it at ] instead. Here is the . It appears from that short discussion that the consensus was that the image is not under a free license, that the use on articles is acceptable under our nonfree use criteria, and that use on user pages would need to be discontinued. I notice that you didn't participate in that discussion. &mdash;&nbsp;Carl <small>(]&nbsp;·&nbsp;])</small> 14:08, 20 February 2008 (UTC)
			Прошу снизить уровень защиты страницы. ] (]) 17:53, 10 February 2024 (UTC)
	::::::Karma is not a veiled threat, but it does not surprise me that you would assume such bad faith to deem it to be that. I think your irrational quest to follow rules blindly, because you feel it fulfills some abstract ideals, will prove self-defeating for you. Just the time that took me to I write this comment, I often get rid of ''many'' real copyrights issues, risky issues, not ones with zero-risk and harm. But your disproportionate, non-realist, rigid and dogmatic approach seems to favour some imaginary gains over what is real, attainable progress for the project. I think that's most of it (though, I also suspect I represent in your mind the side you fought against in the IRCRfAr). I find it sad. ] 14:20, 20 February 2008 (UTC)
			== Ivan Katchanovski's deletion ==
	:::::::I don't identify you with anyone else, and I don't associate you with the parties of the IRC arbcom case. I think that reducing the number of nonfree image uses on WP is a real gain for the project, not an imaginary one. There's a difference between following rules blindly and making concrete actions to advocate for abstract ideals - I'm sure that your use of the Che image here is evidence you can appreciate that. &mdash;&nbsp;Carl <small>(]&nbsp;·&nbsp;])</small> 14:29, 20 February 2008 (UTC)
			== Deletion review for ] ==
	::::::::Your immediate assumption of bad faith above tends to cause me to doubt your ... disassociation. I think my usage of the two images is fine; if it makes me more productive and poses no risk or real harm, why would you expend so much energy to the contrary? I find it highly suspect. And judging from that assumption of bad faith, now you're so upset at me, you are going to make it a mission to cause me maximum harm. There was no way for me to avoid it, however. ] 14:34, 20 February 2008 (UTC)
			An editor has asked for ] of ]. Because you closed the deletion discussion for this page, speedily deleted it, or otherwise were interested in the page, you might want to participate in the deletion review.<!-- Template:DRV notice --> ]<sub>]</sub> 13:11, 17 February 2024 (UTC)
			:You usually go straight to DRV without discussion, ]? That's a thing that you do? ] 18:21, 17 February 2024 (UTC)
			::This is the first deletion review I've initiated in a long time (possibly ever). I didn't notice the instructions which are under the 15-item list of cases in which DRV should and shouldn't be used. Will definitely do this next time. Cheers! ]<sub>]</sub> 22:06, 17 February 2024 (UTC)
			:::I see. Please note, though, that this is a general maxim (of ]) that goes beyond the realm of deletion discussions. And it's just common sense, because I could have made the arguments that the two participants have made in the DRV discussion (both endorse) right here, you could have responded, etc. But you never gave such discussion a chance. The reasoning is that I might have convinced you of my position, thus, you could have spared the extra work for the folks at DRV. HTH. ] 22:14, 17 February 2024 (UTC)
			== Spam-only accounts, cont'd ==
	:::::::::I'd like to avoid any ''quid pro quo'' about assumptions of bad faith or each of our motives here. Can we stick to the matter at hand, which is the Che images? As you must know, "risk" and "harm" are not relevant factors in deciding whether the use of nonfree images is acceptable on WP. Our goal is not to use nonfree images only when it's safe - it's to use nonfree images as little as possible while writing an encyclopedia. &mdash;&nbsp;Carl <small>(]&nbsp;·&nbsp;])</small> 14:43, 20 February 2008 (UTC)
			Hi El C, a couple of days ago you blocked two spammer accounts that I ]. Well today they are back again under a new name, ']'. Could you have a look at it? Thanks in advance! —&nbsp;] ] 13:42, 20 February 2024 (UTC)
	::::::::::I'm not sure I find you claiming that inclination to be credible, since how many time did I repeat myself? Our goal is to write a 💕, not sacrifice that by applying our rules inflexibly. ] 14:50, 20 February 2008 (UTC)
			:{{an3|b|indef}}. Lucky, you got me right as I'm out the door. TTYS. ] 13:44, 20 February 2024 (UTC)
			== ] ==
	:::::::::::At least we agree the goal is related to writing a 💕; that's something. My motivation for nominating the images at ] is to have a discussion to try to resolve whether the images are under a free license or a nonfree license. That question seems to be at the heart of the disagreement over both the tags on the image description pages and the use of the images on several users' personal pages. But I won't be able to do that until next week. I'll let you know when I get everything written up. Until then, I won't bother you more about the images. &mdash;&nbsp;Carl <small>(]&nbsp;·&nbsp;])</small> 15:22, 20 February 2008 (UTC)
			The edit summary of ]s latest 4 reverts might also need to be redacted. ] (]) 06:16, 23 February 2024 (UTC)
	== Israeli-Palestinian conflict sanctions ==
			:Damn, I thought I got em all. {{frown}} ] '''Done'''<!-- Template:RFPP#done -->. Thank you! ] 06:20, 23 February 2024 (UTC)
			== Precious anniversary ==
	Just wanted to write and commend you for your work at WP:AE (and elsewhere) in dealing with the I-P editing battles. I noticed that you wrote: "There's no "someone," there's only moi. I highly doubt anyone else would be willing to look into this. These disputes are too time consuming and the Arbitration Committee strict criteria of "uninvolved" means that few admins looking into these issues have the necessary familiarity with the content to speed things up enough. Anyway, both sides are allowed one revert per day, including a talk page comment. .... El_C 07:36, 18 February 2008 (UTC)" I hope the situation isn't so dire that it's really only you, but in any case, your work is appreciated. I am curious, meanwhile -- what did you mean by ''including a talk page comment''? Were they reverting each other's comments? Be well, ] | ] 03:25, 20 February 2008 (UTC)
			{{User QAIbox/auto|years=Seven}}
	:Thx, HG. I appreciate your kind words. By that, I meant accompanying every revert with an explanation on the talk page (a fairly standard practice for revert limitation formulas). Anyway, not only did I create ] as a central venue for discussion, I also created ] as a central article about the dispute. How many admins do that for arbitration enforcement? Still, I guess some people no matter what. בברכה, ] 08:54, 20 February 2008 (UTC)
			--] (]) 09:18, 23 February 2024 (UTC)
			== About your comment on ANI==
	==On AN/I, Titles, Retitling, and Justice Delayed==
			I saw your response on ANI. I probably should have clarified, but when I said about bringing your block of Bobak to XRV, I meant '''you yourself bringing it there''' if '''you''' were concerned it would be against consensus (Which as of now it is ''not''). I am aware my suggestion could have come accross as 'anyone can/should bring it to XRV', which was ''not'' what I was attempting to state and definitely ''not'' attempting or encouraging others to do so.
	thus that you think that civility concerns are a misuse of AN/I? ] (]) 14:47, 20 February 2008 (UTC)
	:That's the best title you could think of? Not good... He already made the same complaint a few weeks ago; it was no longer an incident. ] 14:53, 20 February 2008 (UTC)
	::Sorry for the title, my imagination does run out a bit.... yes, I understand that. I admit to thinking that an unclosed incident does not cease to be an incident, particularly when it appears to be part of a pattern. Still, I understand the point you were making now. ] (]) 15:20, 20 February 2008 (UTC)
	== DONT ==
			I sincerely apologise. ] (]) 16:28, 23 February 2024 (UTC)
	Don't GIVE me warning mr. Do a favor, remove yourself from Wiki. <small>—Preceding ] comment added by ] (] • ]) 16:23, 20 February 2008 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
	:Get in line. :) ] 16:55, 20 February 2008 (UTC)		:Oh, I see. But no need to apologize, though I appreciate it. It's just a rather obscure venue that is used seldom and not many know about. Take care. ] 16:36, 23 February 2024 (UTC)
			:Also, in my pre-coffee state, I might have conflated you with {{np|A smart kitten}}, who was actively involved in that discussion (you were of course the user whose block was being reviewed there at the time) — shh, don't tell anyone! ] 16:46, 23 February 2024 (UTC)
			== Apology for reverting good faith edits ==
	== Your rollback ==
			@] You reverted my edits a while ago, and I did not notice until now. I thought that IP was subtly vandalizing, but I have now just realized that I misread the sentence multiple times and did not realize that IP was trying to fix a grammatical error. I apologize for the foolish edits I made and am sorry for the inconvenience.
	This shows your abuse of rollback. User:Miltopia may likely be a sock puppet of Blu Aardvark and this was never disproven, only the evidence inconclusive so it should be left as suspected sock puppet as it is possible Blu Aardvark is renting an IP address or using a botnet to hide his IP. Blu Aardvark has done many of these types of things in the past (User:Arkalochori's sock farm are Blu Aardvark socks, too, coming from the same location Oregon as him and sharing the same POV and editing styles) and if User:Archtransit (administrator recently banned for sockpuppetry) resides in the USA then this very well could be Blu Aardvark. Blu Aardvark is known for having many white hat and black hat identities that pretend to be different people but are all him. Blu Aardvark someitmes even talks to themselves with his socks, but many socks are known to do such as Amorrow's socks and this sock of someone else that Fred Bauder proved as a sock and this other sock . The Runcorn socks also talked to themselves. In conclusion, I believe Blu Aardvark has large numbers of sock puppets not blocked and is admin farming, too. ] (]) 13:45, 22 February 2008 (UTC)
	:They are not the same person, I know that for a fact. ] 15:55, 3 March 2008 (UTC)
	==Heads up==
	FYI . Thanks, ] 19:38, 27 February 2008 (UTC)
	:Thanks. I use five or six images for my userspace that are mainspace-orphaned (e.g. ], etc.). I guess I have to protect those that get targetted by this orphaned-images bot... Oh well; at least it isn't the legal-technicality argument, that was getting too much. ] 15:55, 3 March 2008 (UTC)
	::Oh my goodness! That cat looks exactly like Moy (amor), my wife's most beloved of our 3 cats. Not just black-and-white but the markings seem all the same. Moy is, well, your classic black-and-white mega-friendly puss. Thanks, ] 23:11, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
			Thank you, ] (]) 00:27, 26 February 2024 (UTC)
	==Comments needed==
	If you have the time, would love to hear your . ] (]) 21:17, 27 February 2008 (UTC)
	:Hi. Still an issue? ] 15:55, 3 March 2008 (UTC)
			:Sure, {{u|ItsCheck}}, but please make sure you learn from this, by double and triple checking your edits, and by treating any given IP editor in ] until proven otherwise. Because obviously changing "married with two children" into "married ''to'' two children" in a ] is a very serious violation. Thanks for reaching out. ] 16:22, 26 February 2024 (UTC)
	== Profoundest apologies ==
			::Of course. I thought it was the other way around, so that is why I did it. ] (]) 23:33, 26 February 2024 (UTC)
			== ]: Case opened ==
	When one clicks the (+) at the top of the page to create a new section, one is not permitted to enter an edit summary. One assumes that the section header is used as the edit summary, but when one is posting an entire conversation with section header intact, one does not get an edit summary at all unless one makes the extra effort to take the section header off of the conversation and put it in the box provided. One begs forgiveness for this . ] 22:34, 4 March 2008 (UTC)
			Hello {{u|El C}},
			You recently offered a statement in a request for arbitration. The Arbitration Committee has accepted that request for arbitration and an arbitration case has been opened at ]. Evidence that you wish the arbitrators to consider should be added to the evidence subpage, at ]. '''Please add your evidence by March 20, 2024, which is when the evidence phase closes.''' You can also contribute to the case workshop subpage, ]. For a guide to the arbitration process, see ].
	== Trolling on talk page ==
			For the Arbitration Committee,<br>] (]) 20:03, 6 March 2024 (UTC)
	Howdy El C, I wanted to let you know that I have someone trolling me on my talk page here. I wouldn't really mind, but I don't want it to go unanswered, lest it gets worse. Thanks. ] (]) 23:22, 4 March 2008 (UTC)
	== Jews and Socialism ==		== Question ==
			In regards to your response on my ] how would you recommend I go about initiating a discussion with an IP user who's IP is different every time they edit? ] (]) 17:13, 9 March 2024 (UTC)
	Just read a couple of interesting essays on Jewish radicalism in the early 20th century--for example, the American Federation of Teachers was a "Jewish" labor organization. I belonged to it when I taught some college courses, but I had no idea. The things I didn't know. I come from a long line of Jewish Radicals and Jewish Military leaders. I'm complex. Now I want to find a good book about Jews fighting for the US (or the Allies) in WWII, combine that with Jewish labor leaders of the 20th century, and I'll be even more complex!!!! I'm sure you have some suggestions? ] <small><sup>] ]</sup></small> 00:20, 5 March 2008 (UTC)
			:On the article talk page, which stays the same regardless. ] 17:53, 9 March 2024 (UTC)
			::What I'm saying is doesn't it seem pointless to attempt to communicate with an individual who's sole purpose is to return to an account and revert my edit, each time from a different IP? Or perhaps it's a group of people since the IPs are in fact unique? ] (]) 18:29, 9 March 2024 (UTC)
			:::I don't know about any of that (not mentioned at the protection request), but what I do know is that the article talk page has not been meaningfully used by anyone since 2016. HTH. ] 18:52, 9 March 2024 (UTC)
			== Being Fired Upon Over Contributions ==
	:My knowledge of US history, in general, is rather dismal. And articles here, on Misplaced Pages, about the ] or the ] leave a lot to be desired. But you don't want to hear me talkings, anyway, you want readings: so, on the flip side, then, is Joseph W. Bendersky's (history professor and head of graduate studies at ]) 500+ page '''' (Basic Books, 2000; ISBN 0465006183), which is probably/not what you were looking for (see especially the bibliography); see also his ('']'', Vol. 89, No. 4, Dec. 2001, pp. 411-436). '' (Oxford University Press US, 2004; ISBN 0195182243), which although I have disagreements with, still recommends for a broader overview.] So that could work for complexity / complexion / complexes! ] 17:06, 6 March 2008 (UTC)
			Hi
	::You're better than Google for me on this stuff. When I was doing Officer training back in the late 70's, there were a lot of officers still around from WWII and the Korean War. I didn't wear my a big yellow Star of David on my uniform, and my last name is not even slightly Jewish, and I would hear all kinds of anti-semitic and overt racism and sexism from the other officers. I didn't think about it until I saw the recent PBS documentary about Jews in America. ] <small><sup>] ]</sup></small> 18:13, 6 March 2008 (UTC)
			I could really use your input at ANI: https://en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/Incidents "Editor Lau737 "contributions."
	:::Which documentary? As an aside, I notice we have no article on the ]. Perhaps I'll translate it for the English wiki when I get a chance (no mention of it at ]). ] 18:20, 6 March 2008 (UTC)
			Best regards ] (]) 11:27, 10 March 2024 (UTC)
	::::I thought you would have seen it. Here's a link . It is a typical PBS documentary, very well done. There is a companion book that I picked up which I actually enjoyed much more {{cite book |author=Wenger, Beth S. |title=The Jewish Americans: Three Centuries of Jewish Voices in America |publisher=Doubleday |location=Garden City, N.Y |year= |pages= |isbn=0-385-52139-1 |oclc= |doi=}}. I need to look at that article. ] <small><sup>] ]</sup></small> 18:35, 6 March 2008 (UTC)
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	:::::Thanks, I'll for those (looks like the soundtrack has been posted ). I'll keep an eye for it. Sounds interesting! ] 18:44, 6 March 2008 (UTC)
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	== You may not like this ==
			==]==
	many lebaneese civilians were killed when their homes were bombed. about 100 homes were bombed in the first day of the war. Those bombed homes belonged to Hzbulla operatives who hide missiles in their homes. Since those are large families we can assume that there were 4-5 fatalities per such home if not more. ] (]) 22:43, 6 March 2008 (UTC)
	:That's a strange way to start a sentence/paragraph, Zeq. Anyway, I'm not that interested in the content of the claim itself here, so much as I take exception to the method whereby a claim is placed before a citation —used for another claim— in an edit ] addition. ] 08:12, 7 March 2008 (UTC)
			]
	==] ==
			::<big>See also: '''''], ]'''''</big>
			:<small>A '''''' (circa 2002). ] 08:40, 15 February 2021 (UTC)
			:Longing for '''''' (circa 2008). ] 11:34, 15 February 2021 (UTC)
	Thanks for closing the debate. I guess the issue is too controversial and it struck a nerve. As to what you said that only the author understands its meaning, you might be right about that. It is like a joke told buy a guy which no one understands. Why they do not understand it, is because they were not in the situation where the commedy occurred. So goes the wikidrama of social engineering. Unless you are part of it, it does not make sense. So the WikiCommonSense is not to have wiki social engineering! ] (]) 09:52, 7 March 2008 (UTC)
	:You lost me at "for" (i.e. I'm not sure what this "the issue" is). Certainly, you're welcome. Regards, ] 09:57, 7 March 2008 (UTC)
	::What is your native language, Igor? <small style="font:bold 10px Arial;display:inline;border:#009 1px dashed;padding:1px 6px 2px 7px;white-space:nowrap">] ]/] ''15:50, 7 Mar 2008 (UTC)''</small>
			:For when just plain '''''' are afoot. ] 16:54, 21 February 2021 (UTC)
	==RE: Notice ==
			:'''''' over simple things. ] 08:17, 26 February 2021 (UTC)</small>
	Why was the name of Dpotop removed from the subtitle (and mine was kept) ? Also, the restriction is effective when?] (]) 12:41, 7 March 2008 (UTC)
	:Nothing is removed; you are both mentioned ]. Starting now. ] 12:43, 7 March 2008 (UTC)
	::I meant on Talk:Moldova, but now I've noticed another user did the edit I was talking about. Sorry.] (]) 12:53, 7 March 2008 (UTC)
	:::No problem. Please report at ] if there are problems, or if I'm not around and you have questions. ] 13:06, 7 March 2008 (UTC)
			<big><big>]</big></big>
	:Question: If I reinstate this edit ( ), would I violate the restriction?] (]) 20:46, 7 March 2008 (UTC)
			<small>
	::Yes, you get one revert per two days and you reverted yesterday, so you need to wait another day. I should have added that a talk page comment be added per every revert, but I forgot. Let's see if you guys can manage it, anyway. ] 00:54, 8 March 2008 (UTC)
			:'''''' ] 23:02, 12 March 2021 (UTC)
			{{Collapse|1=
			(''Intro'')
			:Somehow I found myself here today
	::Does this apply to moving articles?] (]) 02:18, 13 March 2008 (UTC)
			:Awakened to these thoughts and feelings
			:Or an oceanic sense of lucid dreaming?
			----
			:A strange sort of spherical sensation
			:With an overwhelming sense of apprehension
			:An emptiness that thunders out
			:From beyond the mind's horizon
			----
			:So far beyond our reach
			:Where consciousness coalesces
			:Like the billowing loom of thunder clouds
			:The streaming runs of thought goes
			:'Round and 'round and 'round
			----
			:Till the dancing funnels of wind touch down
			:And the earth bows down in reverence
			:Lest it should be torn to pieces
			:And blown into oblivi-essence
			----
			:And all who live will run and hide
			:And do what we’ve done since the dawn of time
			:Everyone flees from the cyclone winds of
			:One's own mind
			----
			:But if one day we should stand on the canyon’s edge
			:Peer out through the beating rain, the pounding wind
			:You'll find that everyone is everyone
			:And everything is everything
			----
			(''Verse one'')
			:Open up
			:Your hearts and minds
			:'Cause I remember
			:Nothing
			----
			:One day now
			:It all falls down
			:But love must keep on
			:Loving
			----
			:So start the show
			:Here we go
			----
			(''Chorus'')
			:Dark to light
			:The day from night
			:A roll of a mountain
			:A rip in the sky
			----
			:Turning the dust to flesh
			:And ashes to breath
			:A pull of a muscle
			:A pin in the eye
			----
			:An initial spark
			:To get this heart of mine pumping
			:And another
			:To get these feet of mine running
			----
			:But sadly they've just taken me
			:To a place
			:Where all is devoid
			:Of your embrace
			----
			:So baby now we're falling
			:Baby now you're falling
			:Baby yeah, yeah
			:Baby now we're falling, baby yeah
			----
			:Tripping and tumbling
			:Flipping and fumbling
			:Flowing on the rivers of sadness
			:That have been forever rumbling
			----
			:But from dawn until now
			:Of all the paths that I could have gone down
			:Of all the valleys
			:That I could have been flowing through
			----
			:In spite of all the chaos
			:And all that has come between us
			:How is it I still find myself
			:Here with you
			----
			(''Outro'')
			:So somehow we find ourselves here today
			:A feeling in this oceanic sense of lucid dreaming
			----
			:A strange sort of spherical sensation
			:An emptiness that thunders out
			:From beyond the mind's horizon
			----
			:And all of us, we run and hide
			:Do what we've done since the dawn of time
			----
			:Peering out through the beating rain
			:The pounding wind
			:Everyone is everyone
			:And everything is everything
			|2=Lyrics:}}
			:'''''' ] 23:33, 12 March 2021 (UTC)
			:'''''' ] 23:52, 12 March 2021 (UTC)
	:::Yes, I consider a move to be a revert, by definition, in that something is supplanted (undone) by something else. ] 02:26, 15 March 2008 (UTC)
			:'''''' ] 00:05, 13 March 2021 (UTC)</small>
	::I assume the restriction period ends without an official notification.] (]) 13:15, 21 March 2008 (UTC)
			<big><big>Memories of ]</big></big>
	== Xasha ==
			:<small>''''''
	I still don't think is quite right. It repeats the same sentence twice. ] (]) 11:49, 8 March 2008 (UTC)
			:'''
	:So why didn't you just fix it, like with me adding the "think" to your sentence above? ] 11:59, 8 March 2008 (UTC)
			:''''''
	==Bias==
			:''''''
	I suspect you of being bias. It's vey suspecting the way you came and 'close' very quickly the debate. ] (]) 19:18, 8 March 2008 (UTC)
	:Tread lightly, BereTuborg. ] 19:20, 8 March 2008 (UTC)
			:''''''
	Are you able to have a civil conversation or not? Tell me. ] (]) 19:26, 8 March 2008 (UTC)
			:''' / '''
	:As my closing statement reads, the argument — which I need not nor will I be involved in— is to be undertaken at the article's talk page, not at the deletion debate for or anything relating to the userbox. It's impertinent to anything, at this time. ] 19:30, 8 March 2008 (UTC)
	::Aw, c'mon, can it be more obvious that it's Bonny having a spring aggravation? --] (]) 21:53, 8 March 2008 (UTC)
			:] 23:29, 23 March 2021 (UTC)
	==Protection==
	Hi, as a request, could you please add {{tl|protected}} after you protect a page? Otherwise it tends to mess up people's watchlists. :/ For some reason, protection tends to mask any other recent edits from showing up on watch, unless a template is also placed to reactivate things. Thanks, --]]] 20:41, 8 March 2008 (UTC)
			:'''''' my 2p. regards. -] ] 16:20, 27 March 2021 (UTC)</small>
	==Template or warning notice for clarity?==
	Hi El C - I wonder if you think it a good idea to also add a warning notice and appropriate edit summary at Igorberger's talk page - for the benefit of him understanding exactly what the topic ban is and the duration of that ban? Such a warning notice might also help us if/when he ever says he did not understand the extent or true extent of the ban. I would do it myself but I am trying my best to keep at arm's distance whilst he vents his wrath at me all over wikipedia.--] <sup>]</sup> 23:19, 8 March 2008 (UTC)
	:Hi. Done and done. ] 19:44, 9 March 2008 (UTC)
	:*Hi back - a well put message - I hope he heeds.--] <sup>]</sup> 20:15, 9 March 2008 (UTC)
			<big><big>Resting: a compilation</big></big>
	== Please unprotect my user page ==
			:<small>'''''' — ] 10:06, 29 March 2021 (UTC)
	I wrote on my user page that ''Misplaced Pages is censored'' and ''Misplaced Pages totalitarian regime''. That is my POV and it may be others and maybe not. NPOV is a collection of POVs that is how a consensus is built for NPOV. There is no need for orotection of my user page. If you would have came to my talk page and asked me to remove that I would listen to your argument and other editor's POV to establish a consensus if that should be kept or deleted. I am not edit warring with you or anyone else. I also will not put this back on my user page untill a consesus is established that it can be put back. Please unprotect my user page. Thank you, ] (]) 03:16, 10 March 2008 (UTC)
	:No, I'm sorry, I'm not gonna play these tautological games. I'll unprotect the page, but if you continue to add bits to it that attack other contributors — yes, including by insinuation and timing— it will be reprotected. I'd prefer it if you were to not waste anyone's time with this. ] 20:16, 10 March 2008 (UTC)
	::Thank you! You misunderstud what I meant. Protecting the whole Misplaced Pages from any controversy is a totalitarianism, it is martial law. I am not pointing fingers but talking about how the Internet community percieves us. You have a picture of ] on your user page. Are you not making a statment? ] (]) 22:44, 10 March 2008 (UTC)
	:::] This is my concern ] not a nude picture on a user page, or a political statement on a user page. My consern is some editors come to Misplaced Pages to impose their social and cultural believes on this project without understanding the governing principles of the project being an encyclopedia, which is not censored and NPOV! I hung out on ANI to watch the discussion and to figure out who is the real disruptive editor. I posted some comment and the disruptive editor would get in an argument with me. It is really a hard job to separate the good from the bad, to keep the project NPOV. I tried to protect the good faith editors from false accusations that some SPA editors have brought to ANI. Was I always right? Well most of the editors that I investigated have been blocked indef. When I entered the ANI discussion, I might have been seen out of place, with what I said, by other good faith editors. Because their first interpertation, was who is this guy! Also not knowing the whole story, I might have even defended the bad faith editor, but as I looked at the case, and examined diferent editor's history I proceeded in the right direction, which many of the admins participating in ANI, might not have time or the dilegence to do. So they are quick to come up with judgement. Anyway I tried to help, thinking of the project and no COI. But maybe I got in the way, and I appologize for that. Actually I am happy that I got banned from Misplaced Pages namespace for 30 days. I got envolved too much, trying to help, and it has been very consuming. I have neglected important things in my life just to help Misplaced Pages project. Misplaced Pages is very adictive! So I hope you understand my envolvement and do not think bad of me. Thank you, ] (]) 03:04, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
			:'''''' — ] 15:01, 29 March 2021 (UTC)
	::::Even though I mentioned at the announcement of your restrictions that you can appeal at the arbitration page (at ANI: stating at the very end of the announcement that you have <tt>''unrestricted access'' to make such an appeal at the RfAr page, ''of course''</tt>, and then on your own talk page: <tt>If you really object to these restrictions strongly, ''feel free'' to appeal at ''the arbitration page''.</tt> <sup>emphasis added</sup>), you still go ask Jehochman to launch an arbitration page on your behalf, claiming you <tt>do not want to file the ArbCom hearing request because I fear that will be used as excuse that I violated the imposed ban</tt>. It's not adding up. ] 22:41, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
	:::::There is no need for appeal. It does not matter if I am right or wrong. The community asked me not to edit WP: namespace for 30 days and I will respect that. ] (]) 23:34, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
	::::::It hardly responds to ''unrestricted access-excuse that I violated the imposed ban''! ] 08:04, 12 March 2008 (UTC)
	:::::::So I Soaped, I am only human..:) You understand how I felt when I was in ANI, right? So I had some ] and got some common sense! We not here to trash someone are we? Just help them out during hard times of wikidrama! ] (]) 08:48, 12 March 2008 (UTC)
	::::::::Human works both ways, so a little acknowledgment, and perhaps even, I dare say, an expression of remorse toward those primarily targeted by that assumption of bad faith... ] 08:53, 12 March 2008 (UTC)
	:::::::::May apology to you, and I have never assumed bad faith about you or considered you "totalitarian". ] (]) 09:00, 12 March 2008 (UTC)
	::::::::::Sorry, what? I'm just saying, I'd have appreciated a note about that, because it just looked bad. ] 09:02, 12 March 2008 (UTC)
	:::::::::::I am sorry if I came up in the wrong way towards you, my issue was never with you, but how many users have been treated on Misplaced Pages, sometimes not intentionally, but it does look like strong-armed. Maybe in the heat of the moment it is really hard to figure out who is the bad guy, and we just want to prevent disruption to the project. I hope we can get to know each other and put this whole mess behind us. ] (]) 09:07, 12 March 2008 (UTC)
	::::::::::::Indeed there are quite a few of us around here that deserve a sincere expression of remorse from you Igor - and if given and then coupled with you changing your editing behaviour and lucidity, would go a damn long way to us starting to change our opinions. I mean none of us like to feel as if we are the bad guy simply because we are assisting (read directing) a new editor such as yourself.--] <sup>]</sup> 09:12, 12 March 2008 (UTC)
	(undent) Well Steve, if you can see me as a good faith editor I would love to work with you, because I am here to help the project and nothing else. I really do not give two hoots about SEI essay or any other articles I tried to write. ] (]) 09:15, 12 March 2008 (UTC)
	*(Sorry to user your pixel space El_C - I won't be too wordy) Igor - for me I take a long time to lose my good faith and then some time to gain it back. If you are writing the truth here - and you stay on point (not ramble on) - then I am sure that over a shortish period of time I will see some different edits from you and come to a different conclusion than the one you have forced upon me at this stage. Personally - if I can be bold - I note that when you are stopping (perhaps with ]) to think about what you are writing - your spelling and grammar improves and you are calm enough to write things that do not grate nor inflame. For me then you have potential and on the proviso given here I am sure I will, in time(!), see you as a good faith editor.--] <sup>]</sup> 09:24, 12 March 2008 (UTC)
	**Steve, I really hope so, because my intent from day one was about the prject, nothing else. ] (]) 09:38, 12 March 2008 (UTC)
			:'''''' — ] 18:16, 29 March 2021 (UTC)
	== Some help ==
			:'''''' — ] 10:53, 30 March 2021 (UTC)
	I accidently encountered {{User|Merechriolus}} while I did my usual editing of medical articles, in this particular case, ]. The first time I reverted their edits, it was because the citations supported the statement (and it was a minor statement at that) that conservatives are less inclined to accept the cause of AIDS. The number of reliable and verifiable references (both primary and secondary) that support this contention are large. But honestly, it was minor to me, because I try to focus on the medical aspects of articles, cleaning up citations and all.
			:'''''' — ] 10:03, 31 March 2021 (UTC)
	Since that time, he has posted uncivil commentary and ] in various locations including , , and . He has called me and others (and since I edit a bunch of different articles on a wide-variety of subjects, usually in cleaning up references, style, spelling and language, I'd hardly qualify as tendentious), , and .
			:'''''' — ] 22:25, 30 March 2021 (UTC)
	I never claim to be the most civil of editors, but mostly I try to do the right thing around here, given some of the BS that I see all the time. However, this editor is testing my patience, and I'm about ready to give him the figurative finger soon. I'm hoping you can get him under control. If not, then I've got to move to the really frustrating and difficult to use RfC process, which I have found to rarely actually effect a change when necessary. ] <small><sup>] ]</sup></small> 22:24, 10 March 2008 (UTC)
	:Hi. Is this still a pressing issue? I do notice at a glance that a few established editors are now on the scene (Raul654, etc.)... Regards, ] 22:41, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
			:'''''' — ] 10:05, 1 April 2021 (UTC)
	::Yes, he's getting worse. See . I usually do my own battles with difficult editors, but I've been asked to be more civil. It's not in my nature, so I'm hoping someone can kick his tendentious little fanny for me. :) ] <small><sup>] ]</sup></small> 22:52, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
	:::Okay, I'll try to look into it soon, but it looks like others are already there. I doubt I'm as well oriented as the about what's going on. ] 08:04, 12 March 2008 (UTC)
	::::Alright, I dropped the user ] about the removal. We'll see what happens from there. ] 08:41, 12 March 2008 (UTC)
			:'''''' — ] 10:08, 2 April 2021 (UTC)
	== Censorship? ==
			:'''''' — ] 02:02, 2 April 2021 (UTC)
	Here is our problem ] ] Is running around the whole project wanting to delete all images from user pages that do not support his conservative POV. I hope he does not MfD your Guevara because it maybe seen as your support for ]..:) That is why I got involved in the ] Because Prester John tried to delete ] image. Yes, Misplaced Pages is not censored, and we should not be policing user pages! Just policing user pages is censoring Misplaced Pages and disrupting the project. Do you think I care who has what on their user page? Do you think I need to say Misplaced Pages is censored on my user page? Just tell this guy to leave everybody alone and go edit some articles and not disrupt Misplaced Pages to prove his ]. I hope you understand I am just standing up for Misplaced Pages to protect NPOV. Thank you, ] (]) 07:06, 12 March 2008 (UTC)
	:It does not concern you specifically; please do not edit that page. Find something else to do. Thanks. ] 08:04, 12 March 2008 (UTC)
	::I am not going to edit anytihng. I just brought the matter to your attention. If we as a community do not want nude, political, religious images on user pages we should add it to our policy. It could be amended to say "While Wikiepdia is not censored, images on user pages that are put to make a statement of sexualtiy, politics, and religion are not allowed; still user boxes that make such references are allowed." This way we do not have to ad hoc censor and police user pages. So if the community by consesus decides to amend the policy it should be amended. Otherwise it looks like selective censorship. This I like this I do not like! ] (]) 08:16, 12 March 2008 (UTC)
	:::If you want me to give serious consideration to your thoughts, you will have to do the same with mine, see two sections up. Thx. ] 08:25, 12 March 2008 (UTC)
	:::These type of issues come up every once in a while. Sometimes, if there's something specific that offends enough people at the given time, it gets removed; other times it doesn't. It's fairly arbitrary, in a sense, and, overall, at the end of the day, not much is changed. I wouldn't worry about it, the discussion will probably be over in a few days; lot's of other things to do, involving articles. ] 09:12, 12 March 2008 (UTC)
			:''' <small>( ''')</small> — ] 10:11, 3 April 2021 (UTC)
	=== Sockpuppet case ] and ] ===
			:'''''' — ] 10:14, 4 April 2021 (UTC)
	] filed the case because I brought the suspicion
	to his attention, but now ] has filed an ANI case against him. I have left the evidence here. ] ] seems to know a lot about Misplaced Pages system, even being that she is a new user, she has participated in AfD for ] eventhough she never edited the article. I would like to submit the evidence to ANI so it can be further investigated. Bsharvy nominated the article for deletion, and even after a keep decission she is warring with all editors to have the article deleted. And slowly deleting large chunks of the article. Please let me know if I can add the evidence to ANI or SSP, whichever you think is better. ] (]) 11:11, 12 March 2008 (UTC)
	:Whatever Equazcion thinks is okay with me. ] 11:15, 12 March 2008 (UTC)
	::Thanks. I will ask him if he needs me in the discussion. ] (]) 11:17, 12 March 2008 (UTC)
	:::I didn't make the report because of you, but because of Theo Pardilla, the editor who actually raised the original concern. Igor, you don't need to go around informing everyone whenever something happens. Please cool it. <small style="font:bold 10px Arial;display:inline;border:#009 1px dashed;padding:1px 6px 2px 7px;white-space:nowrap">] ]/] ''11:20, 12 Mar 2008 (UTC)''</small>
	::::It is getting a bit much, Igor. ] 11:22, 12 March 2008 (UTC)
	:::::Equazcion, well nice to know other editors have the same consern, just let me know if you need help. I will leave it in your hands. El C, I will just let Equazcion take care of it. Thanks, ] (]) 11:25, 12 March 2008 (UTC)
			:'''''' — ] 10:04, 5 April 2021 (UTC)
	== Hi ==
			:'''''' — ] 10:06, 6 April 2021 (UTC)</small>
	How are you? --]</font> <small> ]</small> 21:24, 12 March 2008 (UTC)
	:I'm well. Long time no C! ] 14:03, 13 March 2008 (UTC)
			<big><big>The return of Remix surfing</big></big>
	==Jaakobou==
			:<small>'''''' — ] 22:47, 12 June 2021 (UTC)
	Thankyou for taking a principled stand re the Jaakobou incident. You may not be aware of all the nuances of Jaakobou's offence, some of which Nishidani has elucidated at his . I must also agree with you regarding Durova's apparent obliviousness to this offence, and her totally inappropriate and irrelevant over Jaakobou's image manipulation skills.
			:'''''' — ] 22:47, 12 June 2021 (UTC)
	But basically I just wanted to say that I hope you will not interpret my failure to add my voice to your comments at AE to indicate a lack of support. It's not that I think Jaakobou's actions wouldn't warrant AE intervention, but since he has not restored his offensive notices, and as I prefer not to dramatize misbehaviour, I am now disinclined to pursue the matter any further. Regards, ] (]) 09:26, 15 March 2008 (UTC)
	:Thanks, I appreciate the support. ] 11:26, 15 March 2008 (UTC)		:'''''' — ] 22:47, 12 June 2021 (UTC)
			:'''''' — ] 22:47, 12 June 2021 (UTC)
	== Israel-Gaza conflict ==
			:'''''' — ] 16:51, 15 June 2021 (UTC)
	Hi El_C: Because of your interest in this subject, and based on your observations and questions closing ], I have created a new NPOV (long overdue) lead article for the ] as well as ] that should contain the major articles related to this topic. Feel free to add to or improve the new article. Thanks, ] (]) 05:55, 17 March 2008 (UTC)
	:I'm impressed, Izak. Well done! I will try to review it closely soon. ] 06:18, 17 March 2008 (UTC) ,בברכה		:'''''' — ] 16:42, 16 June 2021 (UTC)
			:'''''' — ] 11:40, 18 June 2021 (UTC)
	== Poetry ==
			:'''''' — ] 18:52, 20 June 2021 (UTC)
	The poem at the bottom of your page is beautiful. Who wrote it? -- ] · ] 21:48, 17 March 2008 (UTC)
	:Thanks, indeed. It is by Iranian revolutionary poet ]. Best, ] 02:23, 19 March 2008 (UTC)		:'''''' — ] 05:46, 21 June 2021 (UTC)
	==It seems you have a fan...==
	...With a dynamic address, I have already blocked two, but it seems like this is somebody with a grudge against you, any idea who is behind them? - ] 23:44, 18 March 2008 (UTC)
	:No idea. Yeah, I don't think it wants to be my friend. Thanks for staying on top of it during my absence. ] 02:23, 19 March 2008 (UTC)
			:'''''' — ] 15:42, 26 June 2021 (UTC)
	== image captions ==
			:'''''' — ] 15:11, 27 June 2021 (UTC)
	Generally, species-level infobox images don't need a caption. I think for a lithograph, it's a decent idea to put one, but "sitting in a tree, happy" is far from encyclopedic. - ] ] 13:10, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
	:I just used "happy" for the edit summary, actually. ] 13:11, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
	::Even so, the caption of "Pygmy Mouse Lemur on a branch" does not add anything to the image. - ] ] 13:17, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
	:::Please stop following me around. ] 13:19, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
	::::I'm not following you. I have those articles on my watch list. Please don't add those captions. I'm reverting again. - ] ] 13:26, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
	:::::I will continue to add the captions; I'm reverting again. ] 13:28, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
	::::::Please do not. They are against common practice. I'm removing them again. Please don't make me give you an edit block. - ] ] 13:33, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
	:::::::You are not allowed to block users whom you are involved in an edit dispute with. You seem to have breached the 3RR in one of the articles. ] 13:34, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
	::::::::]. You are blocked for 3 hours. Cool off and come back later. - ] ] 13:37, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
	:::::::::Why would I not block you, if I hit the block button first, see the logic? You reverted ] in all the articles now. And you blocked me? Wow. ] 13:42, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
	::::::::::Oh, and you undid all the resizes? That has nothing to do with caption. Please don't block me so you can undo all my changes. You do know that I have the physical ability to unblock myself, right? But I wouldn't use it. Just like you should not block users whom you are engaged in edit dsipute with. ] 13:47, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
	:::::::::::That's a preference of yours. The other image size is a preference of mine. And in fact, 230px is the standard image size for the taxobox. - ] ] 13:51, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
	::::::::::::I don't have a single preference; I tend to increase the size when the image is difficult to see. ] 14:05, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
	Why did you block me? You reverted more times than me. I'm also an admin; why would I not block you, for reverting even more times? ] 13:36, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
			:'''''' — ] 13:23, 29 June 2021 (UTC)
	Can I help here? ] | ] 13:38, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
	:Perhaps. Common practice is to not have captions on species-level articles. - ] ] 13:39, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
	::Agreed. Is it really necessary to block him over it though? ] | ] 13:41, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
			:'''''' — ] 16:36, 1 July 2021 (UTC)
	:Could you unblock me so I can launch an arbitration request to desysop UtherSRG? He blocked me in an edit dispute ''he was involved in(!)'' ] 13:40, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
			:'''''' — ] 13:01, 2 July 2021 (UTC)
	::Arbitration! Is that really necessary? ] | ] 13:41, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
			:'''''' — ] 00:56, 4 July 2021 (UTC)
	:::Well, he blocked me in an edit dispute he was part of; now he violated 3RR? This is an unrestrained admin. Imagine if he was face with greater stress. ] 13:44, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
			:'''''' — ] 11:33, 4 July 2021 (UTC)
	::::This is how it looks to me. Two sensible and normally calm admins got into a tiff over nothing. You reverted against normal practice, he blocked when he shouldn't have. Escalating a spat to arbcom would be counterproductive and I will not assist in that. I am willing to unblock if you agree not to go to the AC and stop edit warring. I'll also post a note on his talk page chastising him. Deal ? ] | ] 13:48, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
	::::Your actions are as unrestrained. I issued the block to halt the edit warring. -] ] 13:47, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
	::::And, ] allows me to do that. - ] ] 13:47, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
	:::::No it doesn't. It would allow me to do it but not you as you are involved. ] | ] 13:50, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
	::::::No, it doens't mean that. It means just what it says it means. "If a rule prevents you from improving or maintaining Misplaced Pages, ignore it." The rule preventing me from blocking an editor I'm in dispute with prevents me from maintaining Misplaced Pages, so I am free to ignore it. - ] ] 13:51, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
	:::::::::There's no caption policy. If you don't see what you did wrong, you need to be desysoped. ] 14:05, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
	::::::::::There doesnt' need to be a policy. I told you it is NOT STANDARD for species-level articles to include captions, unless it clarifies the image. "X sitting in a tree" does not do this. You were wrong to restore the caption after I correctly removed it and told you about the standard. - ] ] 14:09, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
	:::::::::::Standard is not policy. You are not allowed to block for that. ] 14:10, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
	::::::::::::No policy is needed. You were in the wrong to continue when you are told to not put captions up. - ] ] 14:12, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
	:::::::::::::If only I could block everytime I felt a content opponent was "wrong." Wow. How did you become an admin again? ] 14:44, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
			:'''''' — ] 11:33, 4 July 2021 (UTC)
	::::::::I disagree. El C was adding an image caption not vandalising the article. Whislt a agree that an image caption isn't necessary it isn't a disater either. You were not maintaining wikipedia your were getting into a pettry revert war over nothing. You had no right to block. ] | ] 13:55, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
	:::::::::That's why I only gave a 3 hour block, it was only a minor issue. The block was given for him to go cool off. - ] ] 13:57, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
			:'''''' ] 11:33, 4 July 2021 (UTC)
	And that all said: El C, take 3 hours. Go grab something to eat. Come back later. - ] ] 13:53, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
			:'''''' — ] 13:50, 6 July 2021 (UTC)
	:Pardon me for butting in, but I disagree with the block and its rationale. Please do not ever block someone with whom you are in a dispute; this isn't right. Never, ever block an established user except in the most extreme of circumstances, and especially not one with whom you are in a dispute. Uther, I strongly suggest you lift the block yourself. Thank you, ] ] 13:57, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
	::I shall, but I disagree with you. A cool off time is always acceptable. - ] ] 13:58, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
	:::Thank you. ] | ] 13:59, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
	::::Done. You're welcome. - ] ] 14:00, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
			:'''''' — ] 06:22, 7 July 2021 (UTC)
	What about a cool off period for you. It look like you needed it more. You block someone whom you are involved in a content dispute with (there is no caption policy), and, unlike myself, you violate the revert electric fence that is the 3RR. It's easy to just criticize others. ] 14:02, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
			:'''''' — ] 09:13, 8 July 2021 (UTC)
	:He's has two other admins tell him he was wrong and has undone his block. ] | ] 14:04, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
	::He's going to do it again to someone else, though. That's the problem. ] 14:11, 20 March 2008 (UTC)		:'''''' — ] 20:47, 8 July 2021 (UTC)
	:::I don't think so. I think he is saving face that's all. I'm confident that when he is next in a dispute he will remember this and decide against blocking. ] | ] 14:13, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
	::::He's daring me to do it, outright. I don't think we're dealing with someone who is familiar wit policy, beyond applying IAR to suit his immediate (trivial!) needs. ] 14:15, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
	:::::I'm hardly daring you to do it. I think you are in the wrong and I stand by my actions. - ] ] 14:17, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
	::::::So you're willing to block users whom you are in an edit dspute with over something as trivial as a caption, and violate 3RR? Then you patronize me about being cool, when I kept to both those rule while you lacked the restraint to adhere to them. Sounds alarming to me. ] 14:20, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
	:::::::Was asking you to stop working? No. Did this get you to stop? Yes. Did my actions harm the encyclopedia? No. Seems to be reasonable to me. Were there other actions I could have taken? Sure. Some would have been effective, but taken longer. Others would not have been. I took a gamble. What was lost? I pissed you off. The world is coming to an end if that's so terrible. - ] ] 14:24, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
	::::::::Did you revert yourself? Yes. Is it a content dispute? Yes. Did you block someone whom you were engaged in a content dispute? Yes. Did you violate 3RR? Yes, yes, yes, and yes. ] 14:44, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
	Could I make a suggestion. As feelings are still running high could you two stop talking to each other until tomorrow. ] | ] 14:29, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
			:'''''' — ] 13:57, 10 July 2021 (UTC)
	:He already reverted all my changes; so I guess he's the one who ] those articles, because I refuse to block for trivial reasons or to get an edge in a content dispute. ] 14:41, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
	::Take comfort in that. ] | ] 14:47, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
	:::I will, later. I'm bothered that he is reverting other minor additions of mine, just to try to get to me (and using a as an edit summary — how's that for a blatantly abusive summary!). ] 14:54, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
	::::I agree that the edit summary wasn't nice. I suspect that he wrote it without thinking. We've all done that (me more than most). But, as you say you didn't use admin tools, so whatya say - forgive him? ] | ] 14:58, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
	:::::He's not saying sorry, he is effectively daring me to take steps to have him desysoped (sure, I'll oblige). And now he gets to keep all his versions, because he is abusive with the block button? That's not cool. ] 15:04, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
	::::::: He's trying to save face, that's all. ] | ] 15:11, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
	::::::::I wish I could find that reassuring. But it'd only go to further reaffirm to me his aggressive predisposition. ] 15:37, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
	OK lets take it to my talk page. ] | ] 15:13, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
	:::::::I'm alright with that. ] 15:37, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
			:'''''' — ] 14:06, 11 July 2021 (UTC)
	==ROARR==
	Bishzilla extremely regret arriving too late to undo bad block of little user El C. Would have enjoyed first admin action unblocking little user! See how block violate policy ] times? Content dispute against policy, cool-down block also against policy. See UtherSRG admit cooldown block, ? Boo, lousy block. UtherSRG need go read ]. (Read ] while about it.) Where apology? ] '']'' 16:22, 20 March 2008 (UTC).
	:Hi!! Indeed. Regretfully, I get the impression that UtherSRG is not accustomed to issuing apologies. ] 16:25, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
			:'''''' — ] 10:42, 12 July 2021 (UTC)
	== Image sizing ==
			:'''''' — ] 01:14, 13 July 2021 (UTC)
	Hello, El C! I have several mammal articles watchlisted and noticed your re-sizing the images in the taxoboxes. I wanted to ask why is the larger size necessary? If a user has low resolution, the larger image size increases the taxobox size to approx. one-half of the screen. I think the default size is sufficient; when one wishes to view to image more closely, usually they would just click on the image to see a full-screen version. That's my logic, anyway. I would suggest initiating discussion on ] maybe.<br />
	Also, some of the captions seem rather obvious. If there is a picture of an animal standing, the caption need not state "An animal, standing." However, if the action is puzzling and needs to be clarified ("An animal, scent marking" for ex.), or if the environment is known (such as the London Zoo, Serengeti plains, etc.), that can be helpful. But otherwise, some of the captions seem, well, cutesy. That's just my opinion, of course. Keep on keepin' on. Rgrds. --] (]) 16:59, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
	:I presume the average reader has a certain size monitor/resolution, that's not the point — in some of the images, it was too difficult to see the creature in question because they take up a small area of the image. For example, see Uther's two days ago that arguably started the whole thing: you can see that in the high-quality image, the creature is taking 1/10th of the size, whereas in the low-quality closeup they take up most of the space (I liked the full-size for perspective of the rocks ad so on). I don't feel too strongly about situational captions, although what harm to they do (I think we come across as taking ourselves too seriously, it's not an article about a funeral)? Also, I think it's significant to tell the reader the country, etc., as on his talk page. ] 17:11, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
	::Thanks for the quick response! I was not referring to cropping, I was referring to the 299px re-sizing. The different images are always bickered about and are a matter of opinion, but the pixel sizing is more of a functional thing, if you will. I agreed in my initial post that location in the caption is helpful, BTW. Not to poke you, but maybe the mammal articles being taken too seriously is a good thing, in a way, you know? Anyway, I just wanted to touch base with you regarding the image sizing in the taxoboxes — I think the default sizing is sufficient, IMO. :) Rgrds. --] (]) 17:36, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
	:::Well, I was refereeing to it, then (the cropping illustrates the point I made about how much of the picture is taken by the creature itself). Seriousness is good; I'm referring merely to some captions, not the underlying content and structure. Even encyclopedias sometimes aim at a light touch at certain areas. Yes, infobox image_width, sometimes at 299px, sometimes at 277px, sometimes at 244px, one or two times even at 333px. It isn't a big deal for me, I just got upset by being treated so aggressively, and unkindly, by Uther, beyond all proportion to this. I'd never have expected such an extreme and unstable reaction, from him. ] 17:46, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
	::::OK. I hope cooler heads can prevail. Best. --] (]) 18:18, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
	:::::Thanks, let's hope. I've certainly been driven out of that set of articles with astounding abuse that is rarely seen. Regards, ] 18:20, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
			:'''''' — ] 09:13, 14 July 2021 (UTC)
	== Time for some help ==
			:'''''' — ] 15:27, 14 July 2021 (UTC)
	{{User|EBDCM}} is getting out of hand. is filled with threats against editors, including myself. And I'm pretty certain he's a sock. Since you're uninvolved, can you kick some butt? Or get your cat to shed all over his carpet? ] <small><sup>] ]</sup></small> 19:24, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
			:'''''' — ] 18:40, 15 July 2021 (UTC)
	:I'll try to look into it, but, to be honest: ''I'' need all the help I can get — see ] and ]. ] 19:28, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
			:'''''' — ] 05:41, 16 July 2021 (UTC)
	::You guys seriously put up with a lot of shit that I would never do. And I get the feeling the shit is getting deeper. Anything you can do will be appreciated. I used to go to Guy with these requests, but he's being thrown to the wolves. ] <small><sup>] ]</sup></small> 19:33, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
			:''' <sup>'''</sup> — ] 15:05, 16 July 2021 (UTC)
	:::I'm running on somewhat depleted energy reserves right this moment, but I'll try to look into in the immediate future. In the meantime, can you write a brief summary (i.e. report with diffs)? What does Jehochman think? I notice lately he has been involved in ]. If there's compelling evidence, I am one who is willing to issue a topic ban without a full arbitration case. ] 19:46, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
			:'''''' — ] 16:20, 17 July 2021 (UTC)
	::::See what I posted on ANI: I hate getting involved with this stuff, but here you go EBDCM. Here is your that is both ] and a ]. This is which clearly states that I have never reverted anything you've written, nor did I call anything that I reverted as "vandalism." I would ask that {{User|EBDCM}} be blocked for an extended period of time for personal attacks, against me| and ] along with claiming that Fyslee sent an email to Arthur Rubin, which AR specifically denies happening . Why do we tolerate this crap? ] <small><sup>] ]</sup></small> 20:31, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
			:'''''' — ] 01:48, 19 July 2021 (UTC)
	== apology ==
			:'''''' — ] 06:03, 21 July 2021 (UTC)
	El C, I apologize for going over the line and blocking you. That was uncalled for. I was reacting to your reaction to me. I hadn't realized you were holding negative feelings about ] (nor had I even had that article's edits in mind when I reverted your captions today). I also hadn't realized that you were a fellow admin, or I wouldn't have even thought of blocking you.
			:'''''' — ] 18:13, 22 July 2021 (UTC)</small>
	Now then. Please. Do not add extraneous captions to taxobox images. No matter what lack of policy, the standard is that species-level articles do not get captions unless circumstances demand them. - ] ] 22:20, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
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	==As promised I'm back==
			:<small>'''→''' — ] 23:02, 22 July 2021 (UTC)
	Right I said I help with any articles, so what would you like done? ] | ] 19:57, 21 March 2008 (UTC)
			:'''''' — ] 14:36, 23 July 2021 (UTC)
	==Maybe worth a look?==
	I thought that - as you have commented numerous times as to how folk are seemingly unable to present to you specific diffs of DreamGuy's violations of his ArbCom restrictions and incivility - that you might want to take a look at the complaint submitted . - ] ] 17:41, 22 March 2008 (UTC)
			:'''''' — ] 14:50, 24 July 2021 (UTC)
	== Something serious ==
			:'''''' — ] 04:32, 27 July 2021 (UTC)
	Please take a look at to my user talk page. Also, review the edits for ]. I, like Mr. Rubenstein, am very sensitive to anti-semitic sniping by editors. I might overreact. However, reading over the talk page replies and some of the edit summaries (there was no need to utilize Hitler's twin in a summary), there is a general attack by one or two editors against Slr. Moreover, this article is, by any definition, pseudoscience, and should be marked as such. I absolutely despise racism in any form, including those forms that attempt to prove itself with fake science. You and I may be on different sides of the same political tent, but we can use your help here with edits and/or policing (I know you almost have to make a choice between being an editor and being an admin for controversial articles). Thanks. ] <small><sup>] ]</sup></small> 23:55, 23 March 2008 (UTC)
			:'''''' — ] 12:51, 27 July 2021 (UTC)
	:If there's an editor promoting racialism in that article in a manner which all the other participants find to be ] and exhaustive; presenting views which are outside mainstream scientific norms ], then perhaps a topic ban would be best. To hasten the review process on my part, write me a brief report and I'll consider whether we've reached the point of applying such extreme measures. ] 18:53, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
	== POV problems at ] ==
			:'''''' — ] 14:33, 27 July 2021 (UTC)
	See ], so do these paragraphs really falls within ]? The article is basically abandoned, and edited only by a few pro-Falun Gong editors. I tried to remove such paragraphs and quotes which I consider a neutrality violation, but has been reverted several times, accusing me of "removing sourced content"--] (]) 04:40, 24 March 2008 (UTC)
	:The reversions seem to almost exclusively be coming from Falun Gong-related single-purpose (or otherwise alternate) accounts. I will remind them of the need to adhere to the terms set by ] (to start with, no reverts without substantive discussion; certainly no automatic ones). So, let me know if such problematic editing continues and we'll take it from there. ] 18:53, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
			:'''''' — ] 15:18, 27 July 2021 (UTC)
	== Scrolling refs ==
			:'''''' — ] 18:56, 27 July 2021 (UTC)
	Hi El C,
	per ], we may not use scrolling lists. Thanks, ] (]) 22:07, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
	:I have an idea: let's do it anyway. Let me know what you think. ] 23:08, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
	::Please don't. Previous discussion, including the ] for {{tl|scrollref}}, has determined it isn't a good idea. If you'd like a scroll ref, there is a monobook script you can add to your individual monobook.js page. - ] ] 00:08, 27 March 2008 (UTC)
			:''', ''' — ] 21:37, 27 July 2021 (UTC)
	I don't care about my own convenience, I care about the Misplaced Pages readership (perhaps, here, in somewhat contradistinction to readers of the mirrors). It has been a year now — haven't those technical glitches been fixed? There's quite a few articles that it will markedly improve. Thx. ] 01:27, 27 March 2008 (UTC)
			:'''''' — ] 22:16, 27 July 2021 (UTC)
	==History of Poland==
	Would you be willing to help in finding an acceptable compromise? --] 07:47, 27 March 2008 (UTC)
	:I'm a bit overextended at the moment, I'm afraid. But I'll try to keep an eye on developments. And please keep me updated. Best regards, ] 07:49, 27 March 2008 (UTC)
			:'''''' — ] 22:46, 27 July 2021 (UTC)
	I am afraid this won't be good enough. This mess needs full attention of a mutually respected user (who is also equipped with the stick). If you can help finding one, I am open to suggestions. This article has been subjected to too much torture. --] 07:54, 27 March 2008 (UTC)
			:'''''' — ] 05:19, 28 July 2021 (UTC)
	:I hear ya. I'm afraid, however, that the disputes at ], ], and ] entries, which I engaged today, tend to preclude my ''full'' attention, at least for the immediate next few days. I'm not sure I can find someone else (''i.e.'' I'm a bit uneasy volunteering other people), but perhaps someone reading this talk page... G'luck! ] 08:05, 27 March 2008 (UTC)
			:'''''' — ] 13:14, 28 July 2021 (UTC)
	Thanks. This was going on for too long. If you, or whoever is reading this page just look a the most recent back and forth at talk ] on (or even from the ] (whoever has patience). Note the date of this endless discussion, February 200'''6'''. Thanks anyway, --] 08:41, 27 March 2008 (UTC)
			:'''''' — ] 13:32, 28 July 2021 (UTC)
	:Yikes. I agree, that's unacceptable. My apologies again for being unable to offer immediate assistance. ] 08:45, 27 March 2008 (UTC)
			:'''''' <sup>'''''' — ] 16:44, 28 July 2021 (UTC)
	== Israeli-Palestine ==
			:'''''' — ] 22:08, 28 July 2021 (UTC)
	You asked for a summary however unfortunately the issues are complex, and both sides have made significant efforts to argue their case, thus to even attempt to reduce this would not do the debate justice. ] (])
	:Reduce what? What is ''this''? Who is reducing what to what? Only one side has provided a summary. ] 13:21, 27 March 2008 (UTC)
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	== ] ==
			:'''''' — ] 23:59, 29 July 2021 (UTC)
	Hi El C, I reverted your changes and began a discussion in the talk page. I do feel that, in this case, a shorter plot summary makes for a higher quality article. In order to understand the film's context, the reader only needs to understand the main points of the movie since the large majority of the film's notability/context revolves around the film maker's dishonest journalistic research and reporting, rather than the content of the film itself. It doesn't make sense for the criticism section to be shorter than the summary, since the film is only notable via criticism. I was the one that rewrote the article and got it unsalted from Misplaced Pages and I'd like to keep the content as notable, valuable, and encyclopedic as possible. Let's continue this discussion on the article's talk page. ] (]) 01:16, 29 March 2008 (UTC)
			:'''''' → '''''' — ] 13:42, 30 July 2021 (UTC)
	:Conversely, I am the admin who kept the last AfD (edit conflict notwithstanding); irrespectively, I think you removed some key detail: the exact content that readers would go to the article to read about, including links to articles that help to better clarify the film, which as per the guide, does have a complicated plot. So, I am inclined to restore most if not all of what you removed. I will try to explain in greater detail, point-by-point, on the article talk page when I get a chance. Because I do not find this redaction is reasonable. Thanks. Regards, ] 15:09, 29 March 2008 (UTC)
	== uninvolved ? ==
			:'''''' — ] 03:25, 31 July 2021 (UTC)
	Shalom, I maybe misunderstanding all together but I think there was a discussion if you are uninvolved in disputes in the area of the Israel-palestine arbitration. I think given your deep involvment in such issues you can not be considered uninvolved and I would suggest you let others deal with policy violations. I appologize if I misuderstood what takes place. Best, ] (]) 12:37, 29 March 2008 (UTC)
	:The truth is, your record of trying to label me an involved admin in this area goes back years, and it always failes — I always end up being vindicated. But dealing with you in my capacity as admin does not magically makes me involved so as to allow you to have an admin unfamiliar with your history, which, while I'm sure you would find advantages, is hardly in the interest of the project. The fact is that I am unaffiliated with either group; I think that I am fair and evenhanded, and I intend to continue acting as an admin in all areas, unrestricted. ] 15:09, 29 March 2008 (UTC)
			:'''''' — ] 12:07, 31 July 2021 (UTC)
	::So I see that I understood the issue correctly and all that remain is to show that you are involved in editing conflicts in that area - which you did in the past. I must admit that yor involvment with me was short. I think this was in some of the Gaza or Lebanon articles articles. Are you denying editing articles about the conflict in Gaza or do you deny geting into edit conflicts with me and other editors on the subject of the war in Lebanon ? ] (]) 03:15, 30 March 2008 (UTC)
	:::El C is a pretty neutral editor on Israel-Palestine issues, and not involved in these disputes. The real issue is not El C, but a set of like-minded editors who edit from a specific POV, and gang up on and reflexively revert Jaakobou (and you), then take him to WP:AE for "enforcement", pretending to be both neutral and representing some sort of consensus. I suggest you focus on their policy violations and WP:AE gaming, rather than El C's interventions. ]<sup><small><font color="DarkGreen">]</font></small></sup> 04:45, 30 March 2008 (UTC)
			:'''''' — ] 03:05, 2 August 2021 (UTC)
	::::El C is indeed a very good editor. The issue is his function as an admin. The arbCom rulling asks for uninvolved admin to take action. There are at least 200 admins who could do the Job and El C should accept the fact that he had in the past have been involved in such disputes and that he have strong involvment in this area. As such I madea friendly suggestion to him to avoif using his admin power in place where the rulling calls for an uninvolved admin.
	::::As for the policy violation you mention. I agree there is a gang of reverters and I expect that a truely uninvolved admin (you can not, El C can since both of you are involved) will place restrictions on the gang of reverters. ] (]) 19:43, 30 March 2008 (UTC)
			:'''''' — ] 00:26, 3 August 2021 (UTC)
	:::::I am also committed to enforcing ], which I was key in crystallizing as an uninvolved admin, whenever needed. This preemptive attack on the part of Zeq (which is ]) has failed before, and will now. ] 19:47, 30 March 2008 (UTC)
			:'''''', '''''' — ] 00:49, 3 August 2021 (UTC)
	::::::you are welcome to enforce ]. Your charaterization of my polite request from you to refrain from acting in place where a different ArbCom rulling require an univolved admin as a "preemptive attack" clearly demonstrate your inability to deal with the issue at the needed level of univolvment.
			:'''''' — ] 03:06, 3 August 2021 (UTC)
	::::::The issue at hand is not at all my concern about an old rulling (I am live with those restrictions for 2 years now) the issue is a new ArbCom rulling and you will need to obied by that rulling. ] (]) 20:21, 30 March 2008 (UTC)
	:::::::I have nothing further to add at this time. ] 20:24, 30 March 2008 (UTC)		:'''''' — ] 12:51, 3 August 2021 (UTC)
			:'''''' — ] 20:36, 4 August 2021 (UTC)
	::::::::I ask that you appologize for charterizing my rquest as an attack. This chaterization is a violation of ]. Please avoid meking charterization of other editors and especially don't attribute to them motives based on a hidden assumation that they are stupid. If I was at all concerned by you suddenly trying to enforce ] the last thing I would need is to draw your attention to my edits. I am not stupid . I had enouigh intercation with you to know that If I was concerned about you using your admin power the best thing would be to lay low and not do what you falsly claim is "preemptive attack".
			:'''''' — ] 02:07, 5 August 2021 (UTC)
	By the way : You are indeed welcome to review each of my edits. You will not be the 1st one. many people have enough specific and general arbCom rulling they can apply and they are more than welcome to do so. (and occuasinaly do so at ]. I edit with extreme good faith and welcome any review. For now what you are erquested is to appoogize. ] (]) 20:28, 30 March 2008 (UTC)
			:'''''' — ] 12:59, 6 August 2021 (UTC)
	:Zeq, in my experience, El C tends to act neutrally in this area. I've seen him come down on both "sides," depending on the context, and he's very generous in helping editors who are having problems, which will include you if he sees you're trying to stick to the policies. In your shoes, I'd try to find a way to work with him. <font color="Brown">]</font> <small><sup><font color="darkgreen">]</font><font color="Light green">]</font></sup></small> 04:01, 31 March 2008 (UTC)
			:'''''' — ] 02:01, 7 August 2021 (UTC)
	::Slim, with all respect (and there is a lot) I disagree. However the issue is not his neutrality in this area but his involvment. He is involved there is no other way to describe it.
	::As for him "coming down" on both sides - I don't think this is the issue. The bigger issue for El C editing in this area is his inability to deal with conflicts. El C hardly if ever participate in mediations over the area of Israel-palestine conflict. When he is involved in such editing conflict the editor on the other side may find himself very quickly subject of El C administrative action. - maybe this is what you describe as "come down on" on both sides.
			:'''''' — ] 02:20, 7 August 2021 (UTC)
	::So the issue is not that he does that "come down" on both sides but the fact that he should refrain from using his admin powers in this area.
			:'''''', '''''' — ] 12:08, 7 August 2021 (UTC)
	::As for working with him: Of course I will welcome that. I am not against any editor or admin and you knmow I am willing to learn from everyone and cooprate with everyone. (including you:-) Best, --] (]) 06:39, 31 March 2008 (UTC)
	:::What you appear to be saying is not that El C is involved or that El C is biased but that he is an admin using his admin powers in this inevitably disputed area (because the dispute is a real life one). Which makes El Cs actions sounds fair enough, by your own words. As users editing in areas of conflict we don't get to choose the admins who intervene if we stray over the line. Your own statement, I am afraid, merely reinforces that El C should stay as an admin in this area, and be glad you have this admin to help you. Thanks, ] 06:44, 31 March 2008 (UTC)
			:'''''' — ] 20:59, 7 August 2021 (UTC)
	*exactly because we don't get to choose there should not be a problem if one specific involved admin will refrain taking action. Surly you are not suggesting that an action El C might take is one that he alone would take and no other admin ? btw, I was not suggesting that he refrain from the whole area but that he refrain from being an admin in a specific arbCom rulling that specified "uninvolved admin" ] (]) 14:45, 31 March 2008 (UTC)
			:'''''' — ] 16:42, 8 August 2021 (UTC)
	Zeq: So far, you are not winning the argument here about the standard of "uninvolvement" required of an admin to the "nth" degree that you are citing and then throwing in El C's direction. This might be a good time for you to take stock, think through what your are really trying to achieve and come up with a more reasonable and relaxed presentation. It would be unfortunate to see an escalation of this "war of words" between such two outstanding and highly knowledgeable and active editors like you and El_C. You need to give him the benefit of the doubt and to ] because even admins are human and one cannot drive them insane with counterproductive demands. So please, relax and take a few steps back and try to see how you can come up with a line of reasoning that will convince rather than unconvince others. Sincerely, ] (]) 10:28, 31 March 2008 (UTC)
			:'''''' — ] 02:27, 9 August 2021 (UTC)
	#I do give El C the beefit of ] on his edits as well as all his actions in wikipedia- but that is not the issue here.
	#The issue here (despite the fact that all of you disagree) is still very simple: There are enough admins who can take action to enforce an arbitration which require an <u> uninvolved </u> admin. If there is even the <b> apearance </b> of involvment than it is bad. Justice should not only be fair but apear to be fair.
	#it is by far simpler not to fight with me on this issue and simply acknowledge that other admins could enforce the arbcom if needed. There is something that is not right in arguing for the right of a <u>specific</u> admin to take action. The good of the project is before all of us and violations as well as ArbCom rullings are such that hopelly <u> any </u> admin will arrive to the same conclusions about a possible future violation by this or that party.
	#I suggest that you all give those who see El C as involved the benefit of ] and recognize that there are really enough admins to atke action if needed while this one should refrain from taking action on that arbitration.
	#If the issue was just that of Good faith (which I am sure El C has in all his capacity as editor and as admin) or that of being neutral or that of being "coming down" on both sides - arbcom could have used those words. Instead they used "uninvolved". clearly the apearnace of involvment is key here.
	] (]) 14:38, 31 March 2008 (UTC)
			:''' (masks save lives)''' — ] 13:11, 9 August 2021 (UTC)
	*Hmm, hi Zeq, seems that you are veering into ]ering here, but why? I am worried that you are having trouble with points 2 and 3 on that page, see "(2) Abiding by the letter of a policy or guideline while violating its spirit; (3) Asserting that the technical interpretation of Misplaced Pages:Policies and guidelines should override the principles they express;" Is it worth it for you to ] like this? Just some thoughts. Thanks, ] (]) 21:42, 31 March 2008 (UTC)
			:'''''' — ] 22:26, 9 August 2021 (UTC)
	Izak,
			:'''''' — ] 12:51, 10 August 2021 (UTC)
	#It is exectly the spirit that bothered me here. uninloved is a very categoric word. Not "lightly involved" but uninvolved. Record is clear and it is important that any one with even the <u> apearance</u> of being involved will not be acting as an admin in an area that require an uninvolved admin. This is not lawyering this is common sense. It is also common sense that 200 other admins could be contacted if the need arrive to take a decision based on that Arb Com rulling.
			:'''''', '''''' — ] 02:30, 11 August 2021 (UTC)
	#If there is anyone "wikilayering" here is El C who accused me of taking a "prehamtive attack" to prevent him from taking any future action against me based on a different arbCopm rulling. This is an NPA violation, it is ridiculus (why would go and bother him if I am afrid of him...) and it has nothing to do with the issue at hand. In any case he is free to take action in my case as he did in the past. ] (]) 04:21, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
			:'''''', '''''' — ] 14:09, 11 August 2021 (UTC)
	Hi Zeq: Thanks for the feedback. I just wish the two of you would stop being at loggerheads. I do not have much more to add at this time. ] (]) 05:33, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
			:'''''', '''''' / '''''' — ] 09:17, 12 August 2021 (UTC)
	Hi Izak, I wish that too. I look forward to cooperate with El C in editing any article. it was not me who made this issue to be such "loggerheads". It is common sense that an involved admin will not be enforcing an arbitration that asked for "uninvolved admin". A simple answer from El C could be: "OK I will ask that any enforcment will be refered to one of the many other admins". The one who made this issue to be what it is now was the attcks on me by El C - attcks that he is yet to appologize on them. ] (]) 06:22, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
			:'''''' — ] 17:02, 12 August 2021 (UTC)
			:'''''' — ] 20:09, 12 August 2021 (UTC)
	Here is an opportunity for El C to act as editor or admin to enforce policy or correct articles based on policy.
	Misplaced Pages is not a venue for self publicity. Yet this person: http://en.wikipedia.org/Hisham_Zreiq has been adding links to his art gallery, writing articles about his movie, linkspaming links to the movie and the article in many other wikipedia article. I am surprized that no one has done anything to stop it. ] (]) 07:03, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
			:'''''' — ] 03:46, 13 August 2021 (UTC)
	== Horrible Mistake ==
			:'''''' — ] 14:26, 13 August 2021 (UTC)
	We just let a sock off with a welcome. ] is the LBHS vandal take a look at the usernames. <font style="font-family: Papyrus, sans-serif"><font color="#775ca8">]</font></font>&nbsp; 22:37, 30 March 2008 (UTC)
	:Always better to play it on the safe side. But if that's the worse mistake we make ''today'', it's time for a party. You bring the cake! Regards, ] 22:42, 30 March 2008 (UTC)
	::It is my first mistake this day so I got the perfect ].<font style="font-family: Papyrus, sans-serif"><font color="#775ca8">]</font></font>&nbsp; 22:46, 30 March 2008 (UTC)
	:::Question, should I tag her as a suspected sock or wait to see her edits? O by the way, just in case I have no admin abilities except rollback <font style="font-family: Papyrus, sans-serif"><font color="#775ca8">]</font></font>&nbsp; 22:53, 30 March 2008 (UTC)
	::::Valve has a second game now? Wow, I thought they'd be a one-steam pony forever. ] 22:57, 30 March 2008 (UTC)
	:::::Let's be resolute and do nothing, for now! ] 22:57, 30 March 2008 (UTC)
	::::::] then. Yeah I was surprised to. <font style="font-family: Papyrus, sans-serif"><font color="#775ca8">]</font></font>&nbsp; 22:59, 30 March 2008 (UTC)
	:::::::More like WP:LAZYNESS. Update me if anything happens, though. ] 23:02, 30 March 2008 (UTC)
	::::::::Will do, if that does not exist..would make a good humor essay. <font style="font-family: Papyrus, sans-serif"><font color="#775ca8">]</font></font>&nbsp; 23:03, 30 March 2008 (UTC)
	:::::::::Just redirect it here; I could use the distraction! ] 23:06, 30 March 2008 (UTC)
	::::::::::It does not exist by the way. When I get bored I will start it. <font style="font-family: Papyrus, sans-serif"><font color="#775ca8">]</font></font>&nbsp; 23:21, 30 March 2008 (UTC)
	:::::::::::Which, ironically, is not as lazy (as redirecting it here)! ] 23:29, 30 March 2008 (UTC)
	::::Actually..you are so right on that one. I think I will. <font style="font-family: Papyrus, sans-serif"><font color="#775ca8">]</font></font>&nbsp; 00:43, 31 March 2008 (UTC)
	:::::::] may be deleted. But as long as you back this one. Have fun with that joke. <font style="font-family: Papyrus, sans-serif"><font color="#775ca8">]</font></font>&nbsp; 00:46, 31 March 2008 (UTC)
	::::::::Hah! It has my full backing! :D ] 00:47, 31 March 2008 (UTC)
	:::::::::Have a good one mate. <font style="font-family: Papyrus, sans-serif"><font color="#775ca8">]</font></font>&nbsp; 00:50, 31 March 2008 (UTC)
	::::::::::Thanks! ] 00:53, 31 March 2008 (UTC)
	Hey I moved ] TO ] as Laziness is the proper spelling. Though the irony is..a lazy person wouldn't have bothered to correct the spelling. <font style="font-family: Papyrus, sans-serif"><font color="#775ca8">]</font></font>&nbsp; 18:37, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
			:'''''' → '''''' — ] 18:23, 13 August 2021 (UTC)
	== Pacino's overacting!!! ==
			:'''''' → '''''' — ] 14:52, 15 August 2021 (UTC)
	Just want to tell you that I had to smile when I read your comment in the edit summary. Yeah, Pacino tends to overact quite a bit. But he's a great actor. Loved him in '']''. Maybe you happen to remember the great ]. Another legend of overacting. And ], and his hilarious overacting in '']''... But somehow overactors (or should we say: ''uber''-actors?) have become an ]. Nowadays we have all those mumbling people, obviously imitating ]. And their voices are often so unremarkable. When you see them at the Academy Awards, you are just appalled at how ordinary some of those actors are. Sometimes those rascals have a hard time even talking properly into the camera! Best wishes, --] (]) 01:48, 31 March 2008 (UTC)
			:'''''' — ] 14:24, 16 August 2021 (UTC)
	:<big>''I know the laws of the state of Mississippi!''</big> Speaking of Jewison, I was considering watching '']'' (Michael Caine, definitely one of the greats), but the reviews I read were so scathing, I need to muster my courage here, if anything! Yeah, Heat was great. You know what else I liked? '']''. Some fine performances there, despite the perpetual Keanu Reeves dumbfoundedness. ] 21:23, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
			:'''''' — ] 12:01, 17 August 2021 (UTC)
	== Cute, fuzzy animals ==
	]
	]
	Is there a catgory somewhere of all the adorable little critters pictures on wikipedia? Seeing ] on Bish's page totally made my day! ''']''' <sup>]</sup> 17:20, 31 March 2008 (UTC)
	:Yes! '']''! ] 21:23, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
	::Damn thats a cute <s>squirrel</s> chipmunk! ''']''' <sup>]</sup> 22:23, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
	:::Chipmunk; chipetting! ] 22:24, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
	::::I def want him on the mainpage as a featured picture. ''']''' <sup>]</sup> 03:57, 4 April 2008 (UTC)
	:::::Good idea, MBisanz. I'd suggest ], I think. ] (]) 04:10, 4 April 2008 (UTC)
	::::::I like ] but its too light. ] might acceptable. ''']''' <sup>]</sup> 04:38, 4 April 2008 (UTC)
	:::::::Done at ]. ''']''' <sup>]</sup> 04:52, 4 April 2008 (UTC)
			:'''''' — ] 12:58, 18 August 2021 (UTC)
	Thanks for the thought, but I don't think that image is FP quality, it's pretty ordinary for the collection. My favourites are when the chippies interact ], ], ], ], ], and of course, ]. ] 21:30, 4 April 2008 (UTC)
			:'''''' — ] 00:09, 19 August 2021 (UTC)</small>
	== cooperation ==
			<big><big>Air</big></big>
	Based on Izak suggestions I wonder if you would like us to translate ] ? i did not see an english wikipedia article on this. ] (]) 12:00, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
	:The English translation is at '']''. ] 21:23, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
			:<small>'''''' — ] 15:36, 19 August 2021 (UTC)
	== WikiProject Beijing ==
			:'''''' — ] 23:55, 19 August 2021 (UTC)
	Hey {{pagename}}! I'm currently planning the launch of the WikiProject Beijing, depending on if enough other editors would be interested in such a project. I saw you have edited the main Beijing page recently or in several times in the past and therefor might be interested. If you are, please sign: ]. As I am posting this to quite a few editors, I am ''not'' watching your page and would ask you to reply with any comment or questions on my talk page. Cheers, ] (]) 21:46, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
			:'''''' — ] 00:29, 20 August 2021 (UTC)
	: Sorry, Poeloq, I am not a member of any wikiproject, though at times I participate in such activities. Thanks for letting me know, though. ] 21:23, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
			:'''''' — ] 09:06, 20 August 2021 (UTC)
	== PHG ==
			:''' → ''' — ] 16:42, 20 August 2021 (UTC)
	Please belay the unblock a few minutes if I catch you in time. See my talk. &mdash;&nbsp;]&nbsp;<sup>]</sup> 00:10, 5 April 2008 (UTC)
	:I blocked 30 seconds ago, so you're too late, I'm afraid. ] 00:12, 5 April 2008 (UTC)
	::I'm going to be writing a more complete analysis in the AfD presently, but the short of it is that even the (very non-notable) rank of Officier de L'Ordre National du M&eacute;rite is unverifiable. The very best we can assume PHG did was improperly use a source he did not understand in order to make an unverifiable claim to stave off deletion of an article. &mdash;&nbsp;]&nbsp;<sup>]</sup> 00:22, 5 April 2008 (UTC)
	:::Sounds good; looking forward to reviewing it. I would, however, request that no blocks be issued until the AfD is closed (so as to allow PHG to participate). Depending on how it's closed, we should reopen the AE report and see what formula, if any, is needed. ] 00:25, 5 April 2008 (UTC)
			:'''''' — ] 13:07, 21 August 2021 (UTC)
	== Thank you ==
			:'''''' — ] 14:20, 22 August 2021 (UTC)
	Hi, thank you for your arbitration closing note as that was the information I was looking for pretty much from the beginning (that only the Arbcom board could overrule an admin). ]] 04:00, 5 April 2008 (UTC)
	:My pleasure. I'm glad I was able to answer your question. ] 04:08, 5 April 2008 (UTC)
			:'''''' — ] 22:06, 22 August 2021 (UTC)
	== Thanks! ==
			:'''''' — ] 10:54, 23 August 2021 (UTC)
	Thank you for the adjustments! Best regards. ] (]) 05:11, 5 April 2008 (UTC)
	:Certainly. And I appreciate your understanding. ] 05:12, 5 April 2008 (UTC)		:'''''' — ] 12:47, 23 August 2021 (UTC)
			:'''''' — ] 13:13, 24 August 2021 (UTC)
	== LC RFA ==
			:'''''' — ] 21:22, 24 August 2021 (UTC)
	Umm, ], he hasn't even accepted yet, and the 7 day clock hasn't started yet. But its your perogative. ''']''' <sup>]</sup> 05:56, 5 April 2008 (UTC)
	:Sorry, couldn't resist! ] 05:59, 5 April 2008 (UTC)
			:'''''' — ] 11:22, 25 August 2021 (UTC)
	== A proposal ==
	Hi El C,
			:'''''' — ] 19:24, 25 August 2021 (UTC)
	Could you please take a look at my proposal here .
			:'''''' — ] 10:36, 26 August 2021 (UTC)
	I think this is important. You know how much Bible has come under criticism.... Thanks in advance.--] (]) 07:50, 5 April 2008 (UTC)
	:Hi. It's rather lengthy, so it may take me a while, but I'll try to review it soon. Regards, ] 06:26, 7 April 2008 (UTC)		:'''''' — ] 15:56, 26 August 2021 (UTC)
	==Open proxy==
	Hi El C, {{user|82.193.7.203}} and {{user|86.96.226.13}} look like open proxies. I hope you don't mind me extending the blocks? ] (]) 18:00, 5 April 2008 (UTC)
	:Of course not; in the future, feel free to just go ahead and do it without consulting me. Regards, ] 06:26, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
			:'''''' — ] 00:25, 27 August 2021 (UTC)
	== Thanks for your support ==
			:'''''' — ] 11:41, 27 August 2021 (UTC)</small>
	I'm pretty radical about racism, especially here. I get offended by slightly anti-Semitic comments, racist apologists and overt racism. ] <small><sup>] ]</sup></small> 07:06, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
			<big><big>Water</big></big>
	:It's unfortunate that, seemingly, KKK members can get an unblock from a new admin, so long as they take the effort and request it on IRC. ] 07:09, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
			:<small>''' → ''' — ] 18:19, 27 August 2021 (UTC)
	::You're kidding. Please tell me you're kidding. ] <small><sup>] ]</sup></small> 07:27, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
	::I too am curious as to what part, if any, IRC played in either the unblock of GSTS or the block of OM. Care to elaborate? ] (]) 07:31, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
	:::Isn't that what happened? Maybe I'm mis-recollecting. ] 07:32, 7 April 2008 (UTC)		:'''''' — ] 05:54, 28 August 2021 (UTC)
			:'''''' — ] 11:28, 28 August 2021 (UTC)
	:::Yeah, I read about it . ] 07:34, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
	::::I vaguely remembered it being mentioned, but couldn't recall the context. Still, I don't care for sentiments being arrived at on IRC, and then carried out here with minimal foundation. ] (]) 07:38, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
	:::::Indeed. Compared to on-wiki, IRC-only decision-making tends to produce more inexplicably-bad results by a factor of ten. ] 07:43, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
	::::::I'm fairly certain you're misunderstanding. Lucas isn't saying that this blocked editor came on IRC to request an unblock. There is a channel set up on IRC with a bot that alerts admins in real time when a user uses an {{tl|unblock}} template on their talk page. From how I understand his comment, all he means is that he is verifying that they were on the channel and that the admin asked the other admins there about it before unblocking. (I haven't been following this debate, though; no opinion in that.) ]·] 08:03, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
	::::::::Thanks for the correction. It is a bit difficult to make out what happened. ] 08:11, 7 April 2008 (UTC)		:'''''' — ] 18:34, 28 August 2021 (UTC)
			:'''''' — ] 23:27, 28 August 2021 (UTC)
	== ANI ==
			:'''''' — ] 09:56, 29 August 2021 (UTC)
	- I will definitely do as you've suggested. '']'' <small>(])</small> 09:30, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
	:Glad to hear it. Appreciate the note. Regards, ] 09:31, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
			:'''''' — ] 17:45, 29 August 2021 (UTC)
	== Please clarify ==
			:''' → ''' — ] 00:04, 30 August 2021 (UTC)
	I'm still waiting for a clarification on your previous comments .
			:'''''' — ] 11:45, 30 August 2021 (UTC)
	With respect, <b><font face="Arial" color="teal">]</font><font color="1F860E"><sup>'']''</sup></font></b> 13:21, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
	:I didn't realize any was sought. But okay, I'll have a look. ] 20:57, 9 April 2008 (UTC)		:'''''' — ] 23:37, 30 August 2021 (UTC)
	== Arafat lock ==
			:'''''' — ] 11:16, 31 August 2021 (UTC)</small>
	Hello, thanks for adding the lock to the ] article. I was wondering if you could re-add it with perhaps an expiration date of 3-7 days. After the lock was expired, the page two more times. It wasn't even outright vandalism like "Arafat was bloodthirsty terrorist", they changed the Arabic scripts and slightly moved his year of birth, things other users wouldn't have identified as vandalism. --] (]) 21:39, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
	:Unless you show it's part of a concerted attack, I'm unsure it'll help. High exposure entries are subject to a steady stream of vandalism. ] 20:57, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
			<big><big>Fall songspam</big></big>
	== What do you think? ==
			:<small>'''''' — ] 04:10, 6 September 2021 (UTC)
	Maybe I'm smoking dope ]? When there's someone who has been recently blocked for crap, who is a single purpose account for editing KKK, and who uses the anti-Semitic "Jew Comedian", am I just so supposed to ignore it and move on? I guess I'm a "Jew Doctor", and I should live with it. ] <small><sup>] ]</sup></small> 01:37, 11 April 2008 (UTC)
	:I'm tempted to take unilateral action, but I'm hesitant in undermining Raymond Arritt. I would have acted more heavy handedly, certainly. ] 04:41, 11 April 2008 (UTC)
	::I trust Raymond too. He's one of the good guys. I just hate racism. ] <small><sup>] ]</sup></small> 05:22, 11 April 2008 (UTC)
	:::Yeah, I'm with you, on both fronts. ] 06:12, 11 April 2008 (UTC)
	::::I'm getting frustrated with this issue. Do your realize there are admins and editors who think that calling a card-carrying member of the KKK a racist is uncivil??? I hate to say this, but I have fired individuals who have made racist comments, I fired a sales rep whose myspace had pictures of her Neo-Nazi skinhead boyfriend, and I slugged a superior officer in the Navy for calling me a Jew Doctor (yeah, I got into trouble, but you can't allow that crap). I don't just say I fight racism, I fight racism with a passion. If I were 10 years younger, I would have been walked with ], and maybe died with him. Oh, yeah, he was killed by the KKK too. When I see other editors (see ]) supporting this evil, just because he "may be nice" and I should "assume good faith", I want to scream. OK, I'm ranting. It's not like I can call up my fellow "Jew Doctors" and chat with them about anti-Semitism on Misplaced Pages, because it would take hours to explain. :) Thanks for listening. What would Che do? ] <small><sup>] ]</sup></small> 18:09, 11 April 2008 (UTC)
	:::::It's a disgrace. While on the one hand, it useful to know who these enablers are instead of having them lurk under a shadow; on the other hand, how does one interact with such persons after? Better not to, under any circumstance. ] 17:40, 13 April 2008 (UTC)
	::::::This is a huge disgrace. Did you see what was written on my user talk page? I had a very pointed reply, but I would hope someone would kick this guy's ass. Uber. Hmmmm. Very German. Living in California, I just don't hear much anti-Semitism. Hearing it again from enablers and racists and idiots is just sad.] <small><sup>] ]</sup></small> 18:16, 13 April 2008 (UTC)
	:::::::Enablers are, at best, morally weak; they don't deserve the dignity of a direct response, although that's what they're after. ] 19:35, 13 April 2008 (UTC)
	<RI>I'm going to look at your cat pictures. Cats are never racists!!!! That will make me feel better. ] <small><sup>] ]</sup></small> 03:19, 14 April 2008 (UTC)
	:I can't find your cat pictures. Now I'm sad. :( ] <small><sup>] ]</sup></small> 03:21, 14 April 2008 (UTC)
	::Pics of kitty can always be found at '']''! ] 19:25, 14 April 2008 (UTC)
	:::Thanks, I feel much better. And I'll get some dolphin-safe tuna for the cats. :) ] <small><sup>] ]</sup></small> 19:39, 14 April 2008 (UTC)
	::::Just don't pay ] for it. I had a dream a friend who has vineyard gave me a $7.50 cents grape to eat (yes, a single grape). It was delicious! ] 19:53, 14 April 2008 (UTC)
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	== 2008 Summer Olympics torch relay ==
			:'''''' — ] 12:05, 7 September 2021 (UTC)
	Hi. I changed the caption on the photo of Jin Jing because the first reference was to a video clip, and its interpretation qualifies as ]. The second reference is to a very biased news story. Therefore, I thought it best to merely state the facts - Jin Jing, with the torch, pro-Tibet protester being restrained. What do you reckon? ] (]) 11:38, 11 April 2008 (UTC)
	:That's fine, so long as there's substantive reasoning, I have no objection. ] 11:41, 11 April 2008 (UTC)
	::OK. I've undone your edit, noting to see here for details in the summary. ] (]) 11:55, 11 April 2008 (UTC)
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	== Re: Avigdor Lieberman ==
			:'''''' — ] 14:25, 8 September 2021 (UTC)
	Hi El_C! As you have probably noticed, I try to stay away from controversial articles in the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, mainly because editors today ain't what they used to be. I have noticed that everyone nowadays prefers to edit-war instead of reaching compromises and settling things on the talk page. However, as someone who voted for Lieberman and plans to do so again, I will try to balance out the article, which I think is unfair overall. Hope to avoid any edit wars. Anyway, I'm glad to hear from you again, maybe we can improve this aritcle together. -- ] <sup>(])</sup> 13:48, 11 April 2008 (UTC)
			:'''''' — ] 00:34, 9 September 2021 (UTC)
	:Good to have you back. For now, I'm limiting my role to keeping the edit wars at bay, with limited success. That, and some, apparently, terrible translation skills! ] 14:00, 11 April 2008 (UTC)
			:'''''' — ] 11:17, 9 September 2021 (UTC)
	::I'll take that as an admission! (joking) <b><font face="Arial" color="teal">]</font><font color="1F860E"><sup>'']''</sup></font></b> 17:42, 13 April 2008 (UTC)
			:''' → ''' — ] 10:31, 10 September 2021 (UTC)
	:::I stand behind all my translations, including that one sentence/word which I contend is perfectly fine (I was not persuaded by —nor was I able to even entirely follow— your rather eclectic argument, I'm afraid). For a very partial list of some of my translations, see ]. ] 17:47, 13 April 2008 (UTC)
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	== Giano II ==
			:'''''' — ] 23:13, 10 September 2021 (UTC)
	Yes maybe you can lend a hand - I've never been more insulted by what a Wikipedian has said. Giano II has indeed made some very degrading and slurring remarks. <span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS,sans-serif">]]</span> 17:16, 11 April 2008 (UTC)
			:'''''' — ] 12:30, 11 September 2021 (UTC)
	:Well, you tell him that the matter has been decided, but it hasn't been decided. So why can't he participate in the decisionmaking? ] 17:40, 13 April 2008 (UTC)
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	== RFA thanks ==
			:'''''' — ] 05:27, 12 September 2021 (UTC)
	Thanks for your support in my ], that didn't quite make it and ended at 120/47/13. There was a ton of great advice there, that I'm going to go on. Maybe someday. If not, there are articles to write! Thanks for your support. <span style="font-variant:small-caps"><font color="#800080">] § ]/]</font></span> 17:39, 12 April 2008 (UTC)
	:No problem. Better luck next time. ] 17:40, 13 April 2008 (UTC)
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	==]==
	The additions and move look great. I don't have the time at the moment to expand this to where it needs to be, so I'm glad you've taken this under your wing! I hope to pitch in again at some later date. Cheers, ] (]) 19:36, 13 April 2008 (UTC)
	:Thanks, I appreciate the encouragement! Regards, ] 19:39, 13 April 2008 (UTC)
			:'''''' — ] 00:17, 13 September 2021 (UTC)
	I explained the error in my edit summary. The Senators sent him a letter on Apr. 10 asking him to resign within two days (did not vote). Then, on Apr. 12, they voted to remove him. Add to that the fact that one of the sources supposedly covering these events is dated Apr. 7! Given that I don't think particularly think his removal merits mention in an article on the global food crisis, and certainly not pride of place in the paragraph, I didn't see why I should go to the trouble to clean up that mess, so instead I reworked it the way I thought best: mention that prices have risen by about 50%, that this led to rioting in Apr. 2008, and that Preval announced a price cut for rice backed by international aid subsidies. Those are the details that seem relevant to me in the context of that article. ] (]) 11:31, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
			:''' {{kitty}} → ''' — ] 11:33, 13 September 2021 (UTC)
	:What do you mean? It took me 10 seconds to correct that error. Yes, it is a global crisis, but this was a section about Haiti, specifically. ] 11:35, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
			:''' → ''' ] 01:46, 14 September 2021 (UTC)
	:The source cited is dated April 13, not 7, I already mentioned it on your talk page, it is (AFP). ] 11:40, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
	::There was another source being used, from Al Jazeera, that was Apr. 7, but you removed it. If you want this detail in the article, that's fine by me, but I do think you should give it less priority in the paragraph. I think the rise in prices, outbreak of rioting and reduction of rice prices are all more significant for the purposes of the article. ] (]) 12:05, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
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	:::I think starting off with that benefits the structure, it doesn't necessarily give it priority. But by all means, feel free reorder it, if you wish. *** Okay, I see what you mean now; it looks like that source was a left over copy-paste from the ]. I've since removed it as less than pertinent for our immediate purposes. ] 12:49, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
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	== ] ==
			:''' → ''' — ] 08:53, 16 September 2021 (UTC)
	You may not be aware of this, but this article - to which you are a major contributor - has been nominated as a featured article candidate by ] - though it does not yet appear to be ready for FAC. Perhaps you could comment on the FAC page? Thanks, --]&nbsp;<sup>]</sup> 15:00, 14 April 2008 (UTC)
			:''' → ''' — ] 13:40, 16 September 2021 (UTC)
	:Thx, I don't usualy participate in these processes, but I'll be glad to respond if asked something specific. ] 19:25, 14 April 2008 (UTC)
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	==FYI==
	--]]] 02:20, 19 April 2008 (UTC)
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	== Notability (fiction) ==
			:'''''' — ] 02:42, 19 September 2021 (UTC)
	Thanks for sorting that out - I was editing while the vandalism happened and got myself tied in knots. ] (]) 09:10, 29 April 2008 (UTC)
	:For sure. No worries. ] 09:12, 29 April 2008 (UTC)		:'''''' — ] 14:16, 20 September 2021 (UTC)
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	== Thanks... ==
			:'''''' — ] 17:11, 21 September 2021 (UTC)
	Thanks for all your vandal reverts - work that is much appreciated. regards --] (]) 12:54, 29 April 2008 (UTC)
	:Anytime! Best, ] 12:56, 29 April 2008 (UTC)		:'''''' — ] 13:55, 22 September 2021 (UTC)
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	== "]" vs. "]" ==
			:'''''' — ] 21:26, 24 September 2021 (UTC)
	"]" → "]"
	Need I say more? Do you follow WP capitalization policy? --] (]) 21:57, 29 April 2008 (UTC)
			:'''''' — ] 18:28, 26 September 2021 (UTC)
	:Although I did not author it, as the name of the policy, it makes sense for it to be capitalized as such. Hope that answers your question. ] 22:03, 29 April 2008 (UTC)
			:'''''' — ] 02:10, 28 September 2021 (UTC)
	'''] → ].''' What say you on that? --] (]) 22:06, 29 April 2008 (UTC)
	:I say pretty much the same thing. See ]. ] 22:07, 29 April 2008 (UTC)		:'''''' — ] 14:06, 30 September 2021 (UTC)
			:'''''' — ] 21:58, 30 September 2021 (UTC)
	::With all due respect, I think you do not understand WP policy regarding Capitalization. Please go back and Read it. You will then, I think acknowledge that I'm correct. ] (]) 22:15, 29 April 2008 (UTC)
	:::I understand it fine. I have almost 40,000 articles on my watchlist, I would have noticed. ] 22:17, 29 April 2008 (UTC)		:'''''' — ] 14:08, 7 October 2021 (UTC)
			:'''''' — ] 03:25, 10 October 2021 (UTC)
	::::Generalization is not helpful. Didn't you notice that (1) the 2nd word of an expression is not capitalized on Misplaced Pages? And (2) that only a proper name, or title of a book, movie, etc. is? The titles of Misplaced Pages article are not to have their 2nd word capitalized. If you disagree, at least show me that you understand me, please. --] (]) 23:04, 29 April 2008 (UTC)
			:''' → → → ''' — ] 16:39, 10 October 2021 (UTC)
	:::::It also covers more ''specific'' themes, theories, policies (such as Final Solution), and so on. This is why ] (specific theme) is capitalized —or was until you moved it(?)— and ] is not. Or, let's look at cosmology: consider for example, ] (or ], ], ], ], etc.); or the capitalization in ]. Now, compare that with the capitalization in more generalized processes, such as ] or ]. Hope that clarifies things a bit. Not that I really care about capitalization style conventions all that much (it's just that you asked if I follow the policy, somewhat out-of-the-blue). ] 08:45, 1 May 2008 (UTC)
			:'''''' — ] 13:54, 13 October 2021 (UTC)
	===''"]"''===
	], ''Wannsee House and the Holocaust, p.143:
	:::''"Complementing the task already assigned to you in the directive of January 24, 1939, to undertake, by emigration or evacuation, a solution to the Jewish question as advantageous as possible under the conditions at the time, I hereby charge you with making all necessary organizational, functional, and material preparations for a complete solution of the Jewish question in the German sphere of influence in Europe. Insofar as the jurisdiction of other central agencies may be touched thereby, they are to be involved. I charge you furthermore with submitting to me in the near future an overall plan of the organizational, functional, and material measures to be taken in preparing for the implementation of the aspired ]".''
	:*That's an exact quote I'm supplying. --] (]) 23:51, 29 April 2008 (UTC)
	:I'm not sure I understand what I'm asked to address here. ] 08:45, 1 May 2008 (UTC)		:'''''' — ] 13:21, 15 October 2021 (UTC)
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	=== ] ===
			:'''''' — ] 15:09, 17 October 2021 (UTC)
	Can't you please fix the Talk page of this? The way it's it feels like I'm talking ti the wall? --] (]) 01:12, 30 April 2008 (UTC)
	:Earlier today you moved moved ] to ] and left an edit summary that said "fix double redirect". That is '''not''' how you fix double redirects. Since you immediately moved the page again, you severely complicated the process of moving the page back to where the MOS says it should be. If you don't know how to fix double redirects, please find someone who does. Moving pages inadvisedly, especially repeated moves can cause problems that are hard to fix. --] (]) 03:07, 30 April 2008 (UTC)
	:I notice it's been moved multiple times by other admins since my original move. I'll let them handle it, then. ] 08:45, 1 May 2008 (UTC)
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	=== ] ===
			:'''''' — ] 11:48, 20 October 2021 (UTC)
	I notice that you spent no time on the above. If you work on it, as I hope too also, maybe we can resolve some misunderstandings. It seems to me that this is related to at least 3 concepts/notions/ideas/terms whatever you want to call them. But here they are as I see them: (1) Jewish ] which were inheritated from the Middle Ages, (2) Jewish ] of the Ninteenth Century wereby Jews were in the process of acquiring civil and citizenship rights rights mostly in response to the French Revolution, and (3) the ] sense associated with ]. This is the sense of the question: "what is to be done with the Jews"? I don't know what you think on all that - but if you work on the related article this related artcle much friction can be avoided. --] (]) 04:09, 30 April 2008 (UTC)
	:I'm not sure I read it, at least recently. Sure, I may look in to it. In answer to your question: some of my own thoughts with respect to the Jewish Question, and in particular, the reasons Jews tend to be overrepresented both in capitalist and socialist circles, can be read '']''. ] 08:45, 1 May 2008 (UTC)
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	=== ] ===
			:''' → ''' — ] 20:25, 21 October 2021 (UTC)
	*The above FIFTY books is my Gift/Present to you, ]. I hope it will help you get over your suspicions regarding myself. Remember that Misplaced Pages requires by its policy that we Assume Good Faith. I hope you enjoy "reading" these 50 books (so to speak). And I give you a little puzle: where, among of these 50 volumes, is the text '']''?
	*I'm so proud of this article that I want to tell you that I wrote it all by myself.
	*Any contribution to it by you would be, of course, more than welcomed! --] (]) 14:29, 30 April 2008 (UTC)
	:Thx, I'm pleased you authored that entry, but I don't see how I failed to assume good faith. It is featured in , specifically, . ] 08:45, 1 May 2008 (UTC)
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	=== ] ===
			:'''''' — ] 12:58, 23 October 2021 (UTC)
	I suspect you're unaware of the discussion bearing on the article(s) in question. I would welcome your views there whether or not they happen to agree with mine. But I do not appreciate your simply removing a tag/notice of mine because you do not agree with me. --] (]) 21:26, 1 May 2008 (UTC)
	:I don't what you referring to? What tag? ] 21:28, 1 May 2008 (UTC)
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	=== On talking to the wall, or should I say, On Talking to The Wall? ===
			:''' → → ''' — ] 20:19, 24 October 2021 (UTC)
	*Just punning. Or maybe not (there may be something to the above relevant to us).
	*I've only now discovered that you were talking to me in the middle of the page. I wish would have let me know earlier. Anyway, I'll study more carefully what you have written above later.
	*It seems we've failed to communicate.
	*I would like it very much if you visit all the relevant pages and consider what bearing they have with respect to one another. --] (]) 22:03, 1 May 2008 (UTC)
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	:You keep adding sections to my talk page at a fairly high rate, and largely in succession (all of which I have responded to, incidentally), so I'd rather keep those centralized. A cursory glance at the page's table of content would reveal this, however. ] 22:09, 1 May 2008 (UTC)
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	=== ] ===
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	What do you think of the above? Did you know about it? --] (]) 01:53, 2 May 2008 (UTC)
	:I'm not sure I understand. You mean your changes? I'm afraid I don't find them to be of high-quality. In order of appearence:
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	#You add this "''The'' Final Solution" as bold word alongside the first bolded word: "Final Solution" — that seems redundant and confusing.
	#You use italics for "solution of the Jewish question in Europe," failing to stop at the ref, also leaving the quotes in place (i.e. instead of using one or the other). Also, the wikified use of "Führer" is not necessary.
	#Most signfiicantly, you break the flow of the lead paragraph, but superimposing the whole textual topic. Even though an English translation is provided in the caption, you just add that lengthy bit in there (if anything, it belongs in a section later in the body of the article).
	#You add that fact tag to "there was a discussion held by a group of German Nazi officials to decide on the 'Final Solution of the Jewish Question'" — what's that about.
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	:As a result, the article looks much more sloppy, disjointed and confusing. Sorry. I'll try to fix it, however. Hope it will meet your approval ] 11:41, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
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	=== ] ===
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	{{tl|Marxism}}
	#Is the work titled ''above'' neglected.
	#Is it, or is it not, a Marxist work?
	#If it is, why is it not listed on the Template to the ''right''?
	#Should it be listed on said template?
	#It's an 1844 published text.
	#Very much interested in your views on the matter, ]! --] (]) 17:33, 3 May 2008 (UTC)
	PS: Beautiful redecoration of your User Page. --] (]) 17:33, 3 May 2008 (UTC)
			:'''''' — ] 18:01, 29 October 2021 (UTC)
	:#Neglected from what? In Misplaced Pages? In academia? What?
	:#It's debtable; because it was written prior to the development of what conventionally is seen as Marxist theory.
	:#Because, I suspect, in the overall body of works by Marx —especally as seen by himself— it wasn't a work of gerat significance.
	:#That's up to consensus to determine; but in my opinion, not there so much.
	:#Thanks, I'm glad you like. We're back to the original design now (it only changes anually), however. ] 11:41, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
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	=== '']'' ===
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	Can you ckeck out my latest? It's on Bruno Bauer's essay. I'm very interested in your observations/contributions. Please check it out. --] (]) 01:01, 2 May 2008 (UTC)
	:At a glance, looks like a good start, thanks for authoring it. Incidnetally, do you think the ] link is pertinent (<sub>lowercase, again?</sub>)? ] 11:41, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
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	=== ]'s letter ===
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	But you didn't Move it down the Page, you Deleted it. Why? --] (]) 22:25, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
	:That's incorrect. I didn't remove it, I changed the quotation format to the more conventional {{tl|blockquote}}. ] 22:28, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
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	=== "]" vs. "]" ===
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	*Greetings, ] (not a ] I hope, though it doesn't matter. --] (]) 23:59, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
	*That's a minor point you raise at the moment. But what's with ]? Have you overlooked what he's done while focusing on my little "t"? --] (]) 23:59, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
			:'''''' — ] 13:54, 8 November 2021 (UTC)
	*I've started a discussion on it (the above) here: ] (])
			:''' → ''' — ] 12:02, 9 November 2021 (UTC)
	:You removed (or rather, hid as well as inexplicably added nowiki tags to) my disambiguation note, which everyone else seemed to have agreed with, and then you re-add your own note, which has seen some objections. Immediately prior, you changed ] in said disambig note to lowercase (]), which is a mistake. All without a proper explanation. So, when User:The way, the truth, and the light reverted back to my version, but neglected to the fix the lowercase t, well, in that event, I fixed just what's remained in need of fixing. Thus, my agreement with him reverting back to my dismbig note, which you hid without comment, should be seen to be implied. ] 21:46, 7 May 2008 (UTC)
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	===Proposed deletion of ]===
	{{tl|dated prod|}} — ]&nbsp;(]&nbsp;'''·''' ]) 06:18, 6 May 2008 (UTC)
	:<small>''Template text redacted''</small>Listen, Ludvikus, you simply cannot copy and paste correspondence sent to you by another contributors without proper attrbution. Sorry, but it's just common sense. Here I was about to ask Malik Shabazz why he is sending me a prod template for an article I never edited nor commented on its talk page, only to realize on second glance that he didn't send it to me, but you dod. Please don't do this again. As an aside, myself, I prefer personal notes, anyway, such as 'remember this article I mentioned to you? It has been prod'ed'. ] 21:46, 7 May 2008 (UTC)
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			:''' → → ''' — ] 15:58, 11 February 2022 (UTC)
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			:''' → ''' — ] 10:07, 24 February 2022 (UTC)
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			:''' → / ''' — ] 05:18, 5 March 2022 (UTC)
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			<big><big>]</big></big>
			<small>
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			:''' → ''' — ] 11:58, 24 April 2022 (UTC)
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			:'''''' — ] 15:39, 30 April 2022 (UTC)
			:''' → ''' — ] 10:41, 12 May 2022 (UTC)
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			:'''''' — ] 12:52, 18 June 2022 (UTC)
			:''' → → ''' — ] 14:44, 19 June 2022 (UTC)</small>
			<big><big>And the livin' is EZ</big></big>
			<small>
			:''' → ''' <small>←''Shut up, me!''</small> — ] 00:57, 22 June 2022 (UTC)
			:'''''' — ] 13:12, 22 June 2022 (UTC)
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			:''' → → → ''' — ] 14:38, 23 July 2022 (UTC)
			:''' → → → ''' — ] 14:23, 3 August 2022 (UTC)
			:''' → ''' — ] 16:11, 4 August 2022 (UTC)
			:'''''' — ] 11:53, 10 August 2022 (UTC)
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			:'''''' — ] 16:53, 19 August 2022 (UTC)
			:''' → ''' — ] 17:15, 29 August 2022 (UTC)
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			</small>
			<big><big>Falleaves</big></big>
			:<small>'''''' — ] 02:40, 22 September 2022 (UTC)
			:'''''' — ] 16:43, 28 September 2022 (UTC)
			:''' → ''' — ] 22:04, 4 October 2022 (UTC)
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			</small>
			<big><big>A Hazy Shade of Winter</big></big>
			:<small>'''''' — ] 22:21, 21 December 2022 (UTC)
			:'''''' — ] 21:57, 24 December 2022 (UTC)
			:'''''' — ] 03:31, 31 December 2022 (UTC)
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			:'''''' — ] 11:38, 3 March 2023 (UTC)
			:'''''' — ] 10:00, 5 March 2023 (UTC)
			:'''''' — ] 08:04, 18 March 2023 (UTC)</small>
			<big><big>Spring springs</big></big>
			<small>
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			:'''''' — ] 04:49, 1 April 2023 (UTC)
			:'''''' → '''''' → '''''' — ] 07:25, 19 April 2023 (UTC)
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			:'''''' ← '''''' → '''''' — ] 09:24, 22 April 2023 (UTC)
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			:'''''' — ] 14:19, 19 September 2023 (UTC)</small>
			<big><big>Twenty Twenty Four</big></big>
			'''''' — ] 15:24, 28 January 2024 (UTC)
			'''''' — ] 21:21, 27 February 2024 (UTC)
			'''''' → '''''' — ] 18:36, 13 March 2024 (UTC)
			'''''' — ] 06:24, 15 March 2024 (UTC)
			----
			:<small>]: '''''' (December 27, 2020). ] 23:50, 21 February 2021 (UTC)
			:Ordinary Things: '''''' (December 31, 2021). ] 14:21, 4 January 2022 (UTC)</small>
			Ordinary Things: '''''' (December 31, 2022). ] 01:32, 22 March 2023 (UTC)
			----
			:<big><big>Sorry, everyone, with very few exceptions, I will '''not''' be accepting any new requests for administrative intervention on my talk page for the foreseeable future. In the meantime, enjoy the music! ] 18:33, 16 February 2021 (UTC)</big></big>
			::<small>''Now also introducing ''']''', security guard'' (challenging times ahead!). ] 12:46, 24 February 2021 (UTC)</small>
			:::So much good music! River Man in particular is always a favourite of mine. ] • ] 19:02, 20 February 2022 (UTC)
			::::''//bows'' {{smiley}} ] 12:39, 21 February 2022 (UTC)
			== March flowers ==
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			in memory of the birthday of a friend who showed me art ] --] (]) 13:18, 7 March 2024 (UTC)
			... and ] - I always wanted to go to that theatre where Idomeneo premiered, and they played Mozart! --] (]) 21:10, 9 March 2024 (UTC)
			:Booksellers let's go! ] 18:24, 13 March 2024 (UTC)
			:: Especially booksellers who give a peace prize. I was there when ] reveived it. - Rossini's ] was ], - when I I think of ]. Dona nobis pacem - give us peace. --] (]) 22:26, 14 March 2024 (UTC)
			:::♬♫♪♩ Very nice. That rendition of the ''Little solemn Mass'' really took me places. ♩♪♫♬ {{smiley}} ] 05:57, 15 March 2024 (UTC)
			:::: love to hear that! - vacation pics uploaded (back home), at least the first day, - and ]. --] (]) 19:35, 20 March 2024 (UTC)
			:::: Some days later, a calf in the mist (for you to pet) and chocolate cake, and ] --] (]) 20:27, 27 March 2024 (UTC)
			== How to request recusals ==
			El C one day I'd like to better understand what caused your loss of trust in Arbcom because that has been apparent to me for quite some time. For now though I thought I would point you to where the ] for how to request recusals lives. ] (]) 10:29, 19 March 2024 (UTC)
			== ] ==
			Could you reduce the protection level on this page? The problem-causing user has been indeffed and I’d like to be able to edit the article. ] (]) 01:40, 21 March 2024 (UTC)
			:Before making substantive edits, I'd recommend taking a good look at the talk page discussions, including those concerning a proposed new draft. ] (]) 02:26, 21 March 2024 (UTC)
			::In any case, the protection has now expired. ] 20:47, 21 March 2024 (UTC)
			== Arbcom appeal for SwissArmyGuy ==
			Just like I did this before, but I have to appeal {{user|SwissArmyGuy}} for wrongdoing, instead of email at ]. But I opted {{u|Kingerikthesecond}} for asking their social media accounts, but it is cogent and coherent answers to a number of questions. Recently but I have to do something right, and please let me appeal as a clean start. ] (]) 16:43, 22 March 2024 (UTC)
			:Do not mention me or talk to me ever again. I want nothing to do with you. --] <b>(])</b> 16:45, 22 March 2024 (UTC)
			:{{tpw}} SwissArmyGuy, El C's block was taken over by the ]. You need to email them if you want to appeal; it cannot be made onwiki or towards El C. ]] 16:54, 22 March 2024 (UTC)
			:: {{tpw}} Not even the ArbCom can do this as the account is globally locked; they will need to appeal to stewards@wikimedia.org. ] 09:18, 23 March 2024 (UTC)
			== Notification of arbitration enforcement sanction ==
			There is an arbitration enforcement discussion at ] concerning you. If you wish to comment, you may comment there. ] (]) 12:48, 30 March 2024 (UTC)
			==Not just black and white!==
			Thanks for defending my yellowness there :) "They call him ]"... ] 18:17, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
			:There can only be one. ]! ] 18:19, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
			== My Declined Requests At RFPP ==
			You declined 4/5 of my RFPP requests? Why? You said "Pages are not protected preemptively" but GS/RUSUKR says "If a page (other than a "Talk:" page) mostly or entirely relates to the topic area, broadly construed, this restriction is preferably enforced through extended confirmed protection," and "Only extended-confirmed editors may make edits related to the topic area".@] ] (]) 00:12, 3 April 2024 (UTC)
			:{{re|Me Da Wikipedian}} per ], there needs to be recent issues before protecting. The last edit in one of the pages you nominated was 9 months ago, so that is quite {{an3|s}}. ] 00:35, 3 April 2024 (UTC)
			::Would ] qualify? @] ] (]) 00:41, 3 April 2024 (UTC)
			::How about ]@] ] (]) 00:43, 3 April 2024 (UTC)
			:::{{re|Me Da Wikipedian}} those would not. We're looking for days or a couple of weeks at most. For the most part, anything that's in the weeks or months would not qualify. ] 00:52, 3 April 2024 (UTC)
			::::If added 3 more requests do those work @] ] (]) 20:51, 3 April 2024 (UTC)
			== Help needed ==
			Hello El C, having some .
			I wanted to remedy my mistake (missing '''}}''', but apparantly there is the ''new'' link to about.com which I never made. Would you be so kind as to take a closer look ? Thank you ever so much. Cheers ] (]) 12:33, 4 April 2024 (UTC)
			:Hi. Not sure, not seeing any relevant new filters or new additions to the blacklist (local or global). Maybe ask at ] or ]. Should have some more tech-inclined folks than myself who can shed light on this. HTH. ] 17:58, 4 April 2024 (UTC)
			== Rationale for extending extended-confirmed protection to the entire ] article? ==
			Hi. I'm not very familiar with the custom of topic-based page protections. The policy states "all pages broadly related to a topic, as well as parts of other pages that are related to the topic". The page was already partially protected in regards to any information regarding the incident in Gaza, and there has been no vandalism.
			Is this the norm of topic-based protections? E.g. it is not banned to edit the article ] because of the "gender-related contentious topics; or the biography of ] merely because it contains information about him criticising ]. I was about to add some information regarding past World Central Kitchen responses to natural disasters. ] (]) 01:53, 5 April 2024 (UTC)
			:Hello. First, protection that is ] is against the norms (not sure if that's clear to you). As for this ]-enforcement sanction regime (the ] topic area) its ] requirement is split into two types of affected pages: ] which represent a permanent and close connection to the topic area, and ], whose connection is temporary and/or lesser. But as for the examples you pointed to above, neither ] nor ] feature the ECR requirement. Still, in a broader sense, if a dispute pertaining to any applicable topic area becomes acute on any page, that sanction regime could be invoked (and regardless if it's a ] or ] one). HTH. ] 02:54, 5 April 2024 (UTC)
			::Thank you for the information. So as I understand it from the ], you applied ECR as you deem ] to be a "primary article" under that regime? I would appreciate a confirmation. Thanks again for the explanation. ] (]) 03:12, 5 April 2024 (UTC)
			:::No, it's not ''primary,'' it's ''related,'' because that organization is active elsewhere in the world, like Ukraine. If it was only focused on its Gaza mission, then it would be deemed ''primary.'' ] 03:36, 5 April 2024 (UTC)
			::::Ah okay. Then can you please remove the current form of protection which is applied to the entire page? The ] "area of conflict" is defined as
			::::4) For the purposes of editing restrictions in the ARBPIA topic area, the "area of conflict" shall be defined as encompassing
			::::a. the entire set of articles whose topic relates to the Arab-Israeli conflict, broadly interpreted ("primary articles"), and
			::::b. edits relating to the Arab-Israeli conflict, to pages and discussions in all namespaces with the exception of userspace ("related content")
			::::if I understand it correctly. ] (]) 04:02, 5 April 2024 (UTC)
			:::::Sorry, I don't follow. You don't provide a reasoning as to why I should "remove the current form of protection which is applied to the entire page," you just quote from that case. To what end? So, no, I don't think you understand it correctly, but I'm not sure if I can explain it better. ] 04:14, 5 April 2024 (UTC)
			::::::According to the "ARBPIA general sanctions" {{endash}} ''Extended confirmed restriction: The extended confirmed restriction is imposed on the '''area of conflict'''.''
			::::::Since you mentioned your rationale for the imposition of protection was that you deemed the article to contain ''related content'', the general sanctions would not cover the imposition of whole-page protection. The ''related content'' was already explicitly protected as per the article talkpage. I am not an extended-confirmed user and I want to add information about past responses of WCK to natural disasters. ] (]) 04:22, 5 April 2024 (UTC)
			:::::::The only difference between ''primary'' and ''related'' is that ] isn't applied indefinitely for the latter. Because in the future that org may be in the news and experience active editing disputes about, say, Haiti, which is not currently deemed a ]. But a page can only be protected in its entirety. I don't have discretion about the protection level itself. If you think you have a convincing case, you could request to get your ] status expedited at ], though. ] 04:45, 5 April 2024 (UTC)
			::::::::The "area of conflict" concept was introduced in ] following confusion about ] which included controversies regarding operation in West Bank settlements. So even though the article still contains the company's settlements controversy, the protection is not extended to the whole article. I might ask for a third opinion on this. ] (]) 05:16, 5 April 2024 (UTC)
			:::::::::Again, I'm not sure I follow. It's a standard action. But sure, maybe someone else can explain it better than I. The latest disputes at ] are ''related'' to the recent ] (which I also protected, as it happens). Both actions have been logged at ]. HTH. ] 05:25, 5 April 2024 (UTC)
			{{od|:::::::::}}
			{{tpw}} Protection of any article related to the topic area, broadly construed, is permitted by the protection policy and the contentious topic procedures. In my experience, it is common practice to only temporarily protect pages which are only partially related. El C's protection was aligned with policy and practice. ] (] / ]) 12:26, 5 April 2024 (UTC)
			== Gavin Menzies ==
			I got an email explaining it was a student project. ". Students were told explicitly not to vandalize articles, although we do not have the class time for students to learn what constitutes a good Misplaced Pages edit before they complete the assignment. I hope the disruption caused by the assignment was minimal—at the very least, it should inspire a future generation of Misplaced Pages editors." ] ] 13:18, 6 April 2024 (UTC)
			:Thanks, Doug, that's interesting and a bit unexpected, but I should emphasize that I approached this from a wider lense. As in the long term issues the page has experienced intermittently, resulting in multiple protections from 2010 to the present day. Usually, these protections have been in the months, but the last two were for one year each (2017-2018 and 2019-2020, respectively), so I went for 2 years this time. But next time that page experiences major problems, whatever that reason may be, I think that the protection should be set not to expire. Best, ] 01:19, 7 April 2024 (UTC)
			== TFA ==
			]
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			I like to see ] on the Main page today (not by me, just interested and reviewed), and I also made it ]. - How do you like the statue (look up places)? - I was undecided so show three versions ;) - Did you "pet" the calf (see March)? Did I tell you that the psalms are now done in Hebrew, even with translations into English?? Thanks to someone tireless. --] (]) 16:30, 6 April 2024 (UTC)
			The statue is of ], and as it happens, her ] is on the Main page today, and ] as ] (by NBC, 1939), and below (on my talk) three people with raised arms, - and the place is the cherry blossom in Frauenstein --] (]) 14:56, 9 April 2024 (UTC)
			plum tree blossom for Kalevi Kiviniemi in the snow - see my talk --] (]) 20:44, 11 April 2024 (UTC)
			:Ballet in and of ] — now I (haven't) seen it all! ] 14:17, 14 April 2024 (UTC)
			:: My ] is about a piece composed for the Second Sunday after Easter 300 years ago, about a shepherd, and then I saw plenty of sheep from the bike, and I just returned from a (long) opera about the same age, with soprano ]. --] (]) 23:07, 14 April 2024 (UTC)
			:::O' Euroland, where one could ride their {{emoji|1F6B5}} to the opera (which is to say, at all). ] 07:01, 16 April 2024 (UTC)
			:::: relief: the last of six RD articles in one week is now on the Main page - yesterday ] with many anti-war songs by Jewish composers whose music banned by the Nazis. --] (]) 19:17, 18 April 2024 (UTC)
			:::: images of a flock of sheep - some to pet - that I met by chance on the 300th birthday of cantata ] --] (]) 19:40, 21 April 2024 (UTC)
			:::: ] a sad task - memory of ] - turned into entertainment (yt at the bottom of his article, actually both) -- the latest pictures capture extreme weather --] (]) 21:11, 23 April 2024 (UTC)
			:::::The juveniles' eyes — okay. But the adult one — how is that forward facing? 🐑 ] 12:24, 28 April 2024 (UTC)
			:::::: please help: when did I say "forward facing"? (my memory ...) - today you can look at the ] or "music" on my talk: the same topics, ], ] and (pictured) one row of 8 double basses and another of 5 bassists ;) --] (]) 20:12, 30 April 2024 (UTC)
			:::::::It was a rhetorical question to the sky! RIP '']''. ] 20:34, 30 April 2024 (UTC)
			== A kitten for you! ==
			]
			Thanks for being so positive and active on the wiki, may you continue finding it rewarding and something you enjoy :3
			— ♠ ] <sup>( ] / ] ) </sup> &#8258; <small> ]. </small> ♠ 22:10, 10 April 2024 (UTC)
			:Thanks, ], that's very kind of you. {{smiley}} ] 14:14, 14 April 2024 (UTC)
			== Order of the Arrow ==
			Would like a reference for "previously known as" - that change has not been made. I would be happy to help maintain this page. {{smiley}} ] 16 April 2024 (UTC)
			:Sorry, what is the question? Are you unable to edit ], but would like to do so? Is that the issue? ] 12:47, 16 April 2024 (UTC)
			::Yes or would at least like a reference for the "Previously Known As" statement. @] ] (]) 13:56, 16 April 2024 (UTC)
			:::I'm not exactly sure what is meant by that (it's been many years since that article has even crossed my mind), but you should be good to go now. ] 14:02, 16 April 2024 (UTC)
			== User:Shoot for the Stars ==
			FYI, on being unblocked this user has immediately re-created ], which was redirected a significant time ago and was the subject of a number of discussions. ] 07:27, 17 April 2024 (UTC)
			:Belatedly: the page/redirect you linked to above has not been edited by anyone in years, so you lost me. ] 11:12, 23 April 2024 (UTC)
			== ] ==
			You semi'd the page indefinitely, but you appear to have forgotten to reset the pending changes. With indef semi now in place, this obviously is not needed anymore. ] (]) 00:58, 23 April 2024 (UTC)
			:Got it. ] 11:12, 23 April 2024 (UTC)
			== Notification of ArbCom enforcement appeal ==
			This is to inform you I appealed the topic ban you originally imposed in April 2022. The discussion can be found at ]. ] (]) 17:17, 23 April 2024 (UTC)
			:Your appeal is incomplete because it only links to a previously failed appeal, but not to anything I did (the original enforcement action). ] 17:35, 23 April 2024 (UTC)
			== Reverting the edit of Maratha Empire article ==
			Hi, it appears that you recently reverted the article on the ] to a previous version. However, the prior version indicated a date of 1758, not 1760. Additionally, other articles about historical empires include maps from when they were at their peak, so the map from 1758 would be accurate in this context. The statement "Maratha Empire at its peak in 1760" contradicts the earlier map date. The map from 1758 is available on Wikimedia That's why I edited the map of 1760 to 1758 because the description under it was wrong. Seems like Misplaced Pages editors are biased. Also, there is a talk section about this topic in that article but no one discussed before editing. ] (]) 12:11, 24 April 2024 (UTC)
			:You have used multiple IPs to ] that change, some of which while ], and you wonder why no one wishes to engage your brief yet confusing and poorly-written ] from April 22? In this context, your {{tq|Seems like Misplaced Pages editors are biased}} seems unsubstantive and falls short. There may be a language barrier that at this time is insurmountable. This is the ], which means that there is a requirement that one would be ] in its use in order to ]. ] 13:41, 24 April 2024 (UTC)
			== Question ==
			Hi El C, I just want to bump the question I asked you last month up at ]. I thought maybe you didn't see it because I added it all the way up there. ] (]) 00:57, 26 April 2024 (UTC)
			:Hey. Sorry, I did indeed miss your comment at that time. In answer to your question: no, nothing recent comes to mind. HTH. Regards, ] 04:22, 26 April 2024 (UTC)
			== Can the ] be reduced in protection? ==
			I believe you are the Misplaced Pages administrator who added Extended Confirmation Protection to ]. <u>Can the protection for this page be reduced to semi-protected,</u> due to the need for updates related to the topic (the banner has been there since February 2024) and the reduced news coverage and controversy about the event.
			Side-note: I have extended confirmation protection editing power (500+ edits, more than 30 days). ] (]) 01:56, 26 April 2024 (UTC)
			:The protection overall is gonna expire soon'ish (July), but sure, sounds good <small>(])</small>. ] 04:22, 26 April 2024 (UTC)
			== Siege of Szigetvár and Nikola IV Zrinski ==
			HI El C. I made a couple of edits on Misplaced Pages. I think I'm right, maybe I'm not. Two users disagree with me, one from the Battle for Sigetvar, the other from Nikola IV Zrinski, but no one else. I think that unverified images with unknown authors have no place on Misplaced Pages. Then everyone can post unverified pictures with unknown authors. I think there must be a rule for that in wikipedia, maybe there isn't. So I would like your opinion on that. See my Misplaced Pages edits. Thank you. ] (]) 16:07, 28 April 2024 (UTC)
			:Hello. Yeah, sorry, I do think you're wrong here. Just because the 16th century author is unknown, doesn't mean the painting is "unverified." See https://en.mng.hu/artworks/34295 — I personally am inclined to trust the curators of the ]. But you can always bring any concerns or issue to the ]. That is where that discussion belongs. ] 21:36, 28 April 2024 (UTC)
			== Thanks for protecting those templates :) ==
			For context, I was going through ] and finding the ones with >5k transclusions that MusikBot hadn't yet upgraded to TPE. I started listing them at RFPP/I before it occurred to me that -- if I added them all in one set -- I might accidentally cause people to be annoyed with me for flooding the page. Having said that, if you don't mind protecting some more, would it be okay if I listed the remaining ones from that list with >5k transclusions here? (If you do mind, it's not a problem of course!)
			All the best, <span style="color:#595959">&zwj;—&zwj;</span>]<sub style="color:#595959">]]</sub> 22:00, 28 April 2024 (UTC)
			:Hey, no worries, {{u|A smart kitten}}. Go for it. Regards, ] 22:20, 28 April 2024 (UTC)
			:Thanks :)
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			:(Courtesy ping {{u|MusikAnimal}} - there might be nothing wrong with the bot, but thought I should ping you just in case, due to the number of templates with >5k transclusions that MusikBot II hadn't yet upgraded the protection of.) All the best, <span style="color:#595959">&zwj;—&zwj;</span>]<sub style="color:#595959">]]</sub> 23:00, 28 April 2024 (UTC)
			::] '''Done'''<!-- Template:RFPP#done -->. Regards, ] 23:58, 28 April 2024 (UTC)
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			== Reminder to vote now to select members of the first U4C ==
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			== Possible removal of semi-protection at ] ==
			I don't know if the vandal is still active or not, but regardless, I believe the time since the page was protected is long enough for them to not vandalize again. Could you remove the semi protection on the page? ] (]) 23:57, 2 May 2024 (UTC)
			:] '''Done'''<!-- Template:RFPP#done -->. ] 23:11, 3 May 2024 (UTC)
			== Lower protection of ] ==
			From what I’ve seen the game has declined in popularity, meaning it won’t be as much of a target for vandalism. Plus, edits on the page have even very infrequent and there hasn’t been much talk page vandalism. I suggest semi protection and maybe pending changes if semi is also overkill, but semi is probably the best thing to do for now. ] (]) 01:01, 3 May 2024 (UTC)
			:] '''Done'''<!-- Template:RFPP#done -->. ] 23:12, 3 May 2024 (UTC)
			::Also do the same thing at ]. 🥒]🥒 (]) 13:31, 5 May 2024 (UTC)
			:::Sorry, but for the most part, I prefer to only attend to such requests when they concern protections that I myself have imposed. I'd send you to that admin, but they are no longer one, so the venue to request that would be @]. HTH. ] 17:59, 5 May 2024 (UTC)
			== Lower protection of ] ==
			The conversation has closed, with a consensus in favor of alphabetical order. ] (]) 21:20, 3 May 2024 (UTC)
			:Protection was already lowered for that page on ]. ] 23:14, 3 May 2024 (UTC)
			== You've got mail ==
			{{You've got mail|dashlesssig=] ] 07:18, 5 May 2024 (UTC)}}
			== UCLA protest articles extended confirmation ==
			Hi, I am a prof at UCLA and user https://en.wikipedia.org/User:Kd9806 is my student (see userpage). The extended confirmation lock on the ] is preventing her and many of my student editors who are newer but on the ground from contributing. Is it possible to make a case by case basis exception so some of them can edit? I assume you are an admin and have these privileges. ] (]) 15:52, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
			:Hello. Briefly, requests to expedite the ] are made @]. Yes, any admin may grant or decline these requests. ] 18:31, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
			::I made a request to reduce protection. Any chance you could review it in there? There's a backlog :) ] (]) 18:35, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
			:::That page has no backlog currently. It doesn't even have any outstanding requests. My sense is that you would need more experience to qualify. Sorry, I'm writing in haste. ] 18:47, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
			::::Sorry, I'm very busy, but ], I mentioned ], not a protection reduction. Regardless, no, I can't review it. The rule is that you gotta ask the protecting admin first, who is... <small>''*checking*''</small>... {{u|Daniel Case}}. But since this is a ] ] action, it's highly unlikely that that protection will be reduced. ] 22:03, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
			== Request for remove edit lock ==
			Please remove pp-30-500 ] ] (]) 23:09, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
			:Sorry, no, that's a ] protection. A topic area under special consideration. ] 23:16, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
			== May music ==
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			On the bicentenary of Beethoven's ], I remember our recent uplifting choral concert in pictures, on my user page and ] (leading to the two at the church's article). --] (]) 21:14, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
			] is the Feast of the Ascension for which Bach composed his oratorio, - perhaps how the closing movement was performed in Bach's church. The second piece in our program begins with first line from ], which made us sing "Israel" often. --] (]) 21:51, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
			] is on the Main page ], together with an opera that reviewers deemed not interesting and too obscure for our general readers. The soprano thought differently, - . - Also on the Main page: a TFA by sadly missed Vami_IV. --] (]) 10:17, 10 May 2024 (UTC)
			did you listen and see? - today's story has a pic of a woman holding her cat, a DYK of 5 years ago - the recent pics show 2 orange tip butterflies --] (]) 14:44, 14 May 2024 (UTC)
			] mentions a concert I loved to hear and a piece I loved to sing in choir, 150 years old OTD. --] (]) 14:31, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
			:I enjoyed listening to ''Juliette Journaux for piano'', thanks as always for the recommends! ] 06:28, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
			:: I liked her playing also, to the point. Today's story about ] still needs support for ]. - "places" have goslings. --] (]) 13:01, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
			:: 29 May 1913: ] - ] - Brokmeier is on the Main page also --] (]) 09:59, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
			:: ] is about ], one of five items on the Main page - more musing on my talk --] (]) 22:59, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
			:: last offer in May: photos of the river Rhine, and the adjacent Eltville rose garden, - high water and interesting weather --] (]) 18:59, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
			== U&A Reversion ==
			Hello. I saw that you were involved with the reversion of my post on the “Universities and Antisemitism” page, specifically about MIT. I was wondering if you could provide me with some clarification on why my edit was reverted. I see that this page is protected, meaning one would have to be above 500 edits, but I am curious about the comment on Palestine-Israel articles. I understand that that these incidents at MIT have been influenced by the I-P conflict, but is there a way I can acknowledge that fact without being in violation of these rules? I would really appreciate any suggestions that could improve to fit Misplaced Pages standards. Thank you so much! ] (]) 16:45, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
			:Hi. I actually was not involved in any reversions and know little to nothing about those. Rather, I protected the page (]) in response to a protection request (]). Unfortunately, since you lack the required tenure (the ] one of 30 days and 500 edits), you cannot presently edit the article due these restrictions (]). Restrictions the ] has imposed on the ] topic area. In short, this was a procedural protection that aligns with these rules. Sorry I don't have better news for you. Regards, ] 17:30, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
			::So, ], either you are able to reach to the ] tenure (which must happen organically) so that the ] threshold is met, or ] only permits you to participate as follows (quoting): {{tq|''Non-extended-confirmed editors may use the "Talk:" namespace only to make ] related to articles within the topic area, provided they are not disruptive''}}. ] 17:37, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
			:::This is super helpful, thanks so much! So sorry to make any false accusations, I was just looking at the edit history and wanted more information. ] (]) 18:21, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
			::::Not at all, glad you found it informative.{{smiley}} All the best, ] 19:15, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
			== Question from Clovermoss ==
			Hi El C, I have a question. I noticed what you did . I was kind of ambivalent on whether or not I should revoke talk page access but the idea of protecting the page itself didn't occur to me. Is it because of the sockpuppetry? I'm still getting the hang of nuance surrounding admin stuff and I try to use confusing situations as learning opportunities. ] ] 10:12, 12 May 2024 (UTC)
			:Hey. So I revoked TPA because this user continued spamming after being indeffed. Only after that did I notice that they also replied to their own spam as an IP for some reason <sup>(])</sup>. So I also semiprotected, an action that, granted, renedres the TPA revocation moot. Anyway, since this is a spam-only account with less than 20 edits, my overall position is: ''who cares?'' Best wishes, ] 10:28, 12 May 2024 (UTC)
			== Can you admin delete an edit from page history ==
			Some new (apparently agenda-driven) user has realised they can't edit most Israel-Palestine related articles and so has decided to hit related ones. While most of this can/has just been removed, is, well, read it yourself. A paragraph ranting about Israel being justified. Absolutely not appropriate to be hosted by Misplaced Pages even just in edit history. ] (]) 11:12, 12 May 2024 (UTC)
			:Sorry, in my view, that is not a suitable candidate for ]. But one's mileage may vary, so feel free to get a 2nd opinion. ] 11:17, 12 May 2024 (UTC)
			::I'm a little surprised that wikivoice apologism for what is accepted as ] isn't suitable for deletion, to be honest, but thank you for considering. ] (]) 11:24, 12 May 2024 (UTC)
			:::{{tps}}], will tell me which section of ] you believe applies to the linked diff? Sorry ] for taking your space to ask the question. ] (]) 16:43, 12 May 2024 (UTC)
			::::Sure, no.2 - using wikivoice to present apologism for at least war crimes, seems to me as {{tq|Grossly insulting, degrading, or offensive material}}. Regardless of whatever side of any particular conflict, any comment anywhere that tries justifying what are widely considered war crimes is just so out of line.
			::::What makes it cross the line, for me, is the presentation of this comment in wikivoice as if it's authoritative. I mean, the content was not relevant at the article and had a poor source anyway, but say it was relevant and well-sourced, saying "organisations X and Y think..." is good. But not wikivoice saying it. And, beyond NPOV as I see it, there are likely to be some affected people who would take that as Misplaced Pages, as a large organisation, taking an offensive stance. ] (]) 16:56, 12 May 2024 (UTC)
			== Deleting my userpage? ==
			Hullo El_C, long time no interact! Sorry to be a bother, but I'm writing this to ask if there's a way you or another administrator may "delete" my user page? Looking back, I'm quite uncomfortable with how I revealed both my general location and age in previous revisions (what happens when you're young, dumb, and very dumb!) and was wondering if there was a way for the edit history to be deleted? Or at least not publicly available for other contributors to see? Hope you're having a nice day, many thanks :) ] (]) 07:50, 15 May 2024 (UTC)
			:Hey ], sorry I missed you. But it looks like someone else helped you with that request. Hope all is well. Yours, ] 22:10, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
			== Allison McAtee article ==
			@]
			Hi, just thought I should let you know, the user you blocked from editing that article didn't waste any time making another account so they could keep removing information. This time claiming it's a request from the actress. Which I highly doubt. Is is possible for you to prevent that page from being edited not only from accounts that haven't made many edits, but also from IPs since even if an editor gets blocked, they could also log out and make edits? ] (]) 23:03, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
			:]. Thanks, ]. ] 23:11, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
			==Good News & Bad News==
			Hi. I just wanted to let you know that:
			*'''Bad News''': The "lulzsters" struck ] once again, despite a long history of protection settings in the page log. Can you protect the page for ''even'' a longer period?
			*'''Good News''': The ] from ] the disambiguation page for a couple of years now. However, I could not chat with the protecting admin due to their prolonged inactivity on Misplaced Pages. Is it ok for you instead to reset pending changes?
			In conclusion, sorry for disturbing you.] (]) 20:16, 23 May 2024 (UTC)
			:Hi. I don't know who {{tq|little T}} is, but it looks like I protected ] back in 2022. It was protected by another admin earlier in 2024 (an admin who is active now, or was a few of hours ago, at least). Doesn't matter, I see that there's a lot of disruption to the page, so sure: ] ''']'''&#32;for a period of '''6 months''', after which the page will be automatically unprotected.<!-- Template:RFPP#semi --> ] 01:48, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
			::Thank you very much in advance! As for ], it is currently pending-protected indefinitely. My concern is: there are barely any edits, whether anonymous or autoconfirmed, which defeats the purpose of protecting such disambiguation page beyond this point. Do you mind '''reset'''ing '''pending changes'''?] (]) 01:59, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
			:::No problem. Yeah, that's odd about that disambiguation page, but reset it to what end? It hasn't been edited in years, so I don't think it really matters. ] 02:03, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
			Hi. Can you look after ] for a while? I once reverted an edit under another IP address but that revision persisted on coming back. At this point, I am uncertain who on earth is right. Furthermore, I am unwilling to get involved again to contribute for the time being due to excessive false accusations by ] for being a ] of ] (just because I showed up in ] under the 197.::/16 range and/or the 102.::/16 range). Please keep an eye on the page history and decide which is best.] (]) 17:44, 26 May 2024 (UTC)
			:Hi again, IP. Unfortunately, I can't spare the time to investigate this, but {{np|ohnoitsjamie}} (''this user'') is an experienced admin, so you might wish to try to explain yourself better to him, or submit a query to ] if you truly believe it to be a legit (and intractable) problem. Sorry I couldn't be of more help, but here's hoping the matter gets resolved amicably. Regards, ] 21:47, 26 May 2024 (UTC)
			::With the tone he uses to respond to my complaints or in his edit summaries:
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			::I don't think it is worth bringing such issue to ]. Plus, ]. My only solution is to bear such situation and take a break (even for up to 3 months, one of my blocked former IP ranges).
			::He may be one of the majority of, if not all, admins who would disbelieve how my editing behaviour differs from the telly vandal(s), aside from the IP ranges which I've mentioned earlier that I edit with (I don't literally hop from one range to another, it is just the poor quality of my internet connection which periodically disconnects, and that every reconnection comes with a different IP address under those IP ranges without the possibility of enforcing a static IP address).
			::*I don't blank notices on my talk pages.
			::*I leave edit summaries occassionally, including a period at the end.
			::*I may revert to my revision, but not to the extent of warring (]).
			::Signed.] (]) 23:33, 26 May 2024 (UTC)
			== Confused ==
			Hi ], What's the about? ] (]) 06:09, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
			:Hello. It is about you being mindful with your edits, as stated. ] 06:12, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
			::Oh, I just noticed the diffs. Sorry, there was no edit conflict warning when I published. ] (]) 06:18, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
			:::No worries, these things happen. ] 06:18, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
			== MEK moderation ==
			Hi {{u|El C}}: I know you stepped away from moderating MEK discussions, but I wonder if you are still considering this kind of work? If not, I'll note it and make sure I don't ping you again about this. If you are up for it, I'm workshopping an RFC in the talk page, and I would appreciate any uninvoved feedback to make it fair. Whatever the result is, I would like to avoid a "Bad RFC" outcome. Thank you. Best, ] (]) 14:41, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
			:Hey Mario. I'm afraid that's a ''not.'' I helped establish ] so that I never have to do that again. But I wish you success in your efforts. Regards, ] 15:44, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
			::Makes sense. Best, ] (]) 15:50, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
			== Care and feeding of bots ==
			Hi El,
			A comment from the busybody in residence, regarding ]: the bot was only waiting for three requests to become eligible for archiving, which would have happened at 14:38 (UTC). The reason why it wasn't willing to do its chore before was the absence of a {{tl|pagelinks}} at the top of the section. I ], a little while ago. ] (]) 14:31, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
			:Thanks, ]. I thought the bot had gained sentience and did that to fuck with me, but your explanation is better! ] 16:58, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
			== My signature ==
			I find this funny more than anything, but can you eleborate by what makes my signature being “jarring”? I would be up to redesigning it. I made it three years ago when I pretty much never edited. ]] 15:14, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
			:I'm not engaging with this. ] 16:58, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
			== Laken Riley ==
			Hello again! You and I had a brief discussion yesterday when I asked for an article about Laken Riley's killing to be semi-protected. It seems that even after the protection, multiple editors have been insistent on calling it a "murder", and one of them even moved the page to ], in violation of ]. There is a discussion on the Talk page going on about this, and since you were involved in this area when you and I talked yesterday, I think the discussion on the Talk page could use your valuable input. Thank you. ] (]) 12:56, 26 May 2024 (UTC)
			:Hey, I see it's now been moved back. I'm gonna move-protect it momentarily (] only) so as at to remove all temptation. ] 21:43, 26 May 2024 (UTC)
			::Thanks! If you'd like to contribute, I think your input on the language used on the rest of the page could benefit from your input as well (since I changed a few instances of the word "murder" to other things, but that got reverted by someone else). We're discussing it on the Talk page. ] (]) 22:01, 26 May 2024 (UTC)
			:::No problem, but sorry, no time. ] 22:03, 26 May 2024 (UTC)
			::::No worries! I figured I might as well ask, but I understand. ] (]) 22:06, 26 May 2024 (UTC)
			== Paula Vennells - FP ==
			Hi El_C. There is no reason given on the article talk page (or anywhere else I can see that justifies the Full Protection). It is a controversial subject article, but that in itself, does not warrant full protection. I understood that a rationale for article full protection on the talk page or elsewhere is required? Can you please review or add something to the TP? ] (]) 21:02, 26 May 2024 (UTC)
			:The protection notice can be viewed at the following ]. The reason should be self-explanatory: an edit war between like 8 users. Sorry, I can't spare the time today for an additional note, but feel free to link my answer here if you think it might help. ] 21:42, 26 May 2024 (UTC)
			::I disagree that the disruption meets the criteria for full protection. There is next to no current activity on the article or talk page. The participant you mentioned has not recently contributed. I think if you are willing, it would be appropriate to review the protection in light of the narrow area of dispute and current limited level of disruption. Thanks. ] (]) 07:18, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
			:::I count nearly 20 reverts in the 2 days alone prior to my full protection, so, no, that makes no sense and is wholly divorced from the facts. <small>Obviously, {{tq|'''''current'''''}} would not include the 2 days that it's been fully-protected since, when no one could edit the page aside from admins (fulfilling edit requests) and bots (with sysop permissions).</small> I honestly am at a loss here. ] 07:34, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
			::::RE: {{tq|''The participant you mentioned has not recently contributed''}} — I didn't mention any participants, but if you mean the requestor of that protection request, they did indeed edit (revert) the article recently, <u>less than an hour</u> prior to my protecting it. And their revert itself was reverted 6 minutes later (9:22-9:28), which is a bit longer than the 4 minutes between reverts prior to these (9:18-9:22).
			:::::''']''': <small>'''9:22''', 25 May 2024 {{np|Gaia Octavia Agrippa}} (talk | contribs | block) ''Reverted 1 edit by Localhistorian2024 (talk): WP:NPOV'' </small>
			:::::''']''':<small> '''9:28''', 25 May 2024 {{np|Localhistorian2024}} (talk | contribs | block) ''The London Gazette has stated...'' </small>
			:::::''']''': <small>'''10:11''', 25 May 2024 {{np|El C}} (talk | contribs | block) Protected "Paula Vennells": ''Edit warring / content dispute'' ( (expires 14:11, 29 May 2024 (UTC)) (expires 14:11, 29 May 2024 (UTC)))</small>
			::::So obviously the facts align with my description rather than your own. Facts which are provable and easily verifiable (per directly above). ] 08:15, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
			== Lowering Protection Level on ] ==
			Hi EL_C. I was wondering when you will lower the protection level on Ebrahim Raisi since it is no longer a highly visible page. ] (]) 13:54, 28 May 2024 (UTC)
			:Hey. ] '''Done'''<!-- Template:RFPP#done -->, thanks for the reminder. Still, noting as of earlier today it is no longer listed at ]. So that's keeping it pretty tight, but I think it's probably fine (unless famous last jinx). ] 14:31, 28 May 2024 (UTC)
			== ] ==
			Hello! On March 31, 2023, you semi-protected ] (now a redirect) under ]. This then went to ] (redirect), then ] (redirect), then ], and back then forth again with ] to remain at the current title. As it has been over a year since the original sanction, I would like to ask if you would be willing to reconsider the page protection placed upon the page (and by extension the other pages listed). ] <sup>(]) </sup> 02:35, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
			:] '''Unprotected'''<!-- Template:RFPP#unpr -->. Regards, ] 18:14, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
			== Revdel request Mexico ==
			Hello! Do you mind if I ask for a revdel on this abominably sexist edit: on ]? The offending user has been warned on talk by someone but I have doubts on whether the warning was serious enough. I was also considering page protection but the edit seems to occur every three weeks or so, so the request might not be granted. Thanks! ] (]) 03:18, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
			:] '''Done'''<!-- Template:RFPP#done -->. Regards, ] 18:16, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
			== June music ==
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			] is about the TFA, by sadly missed ]. In my support in 2018, I hoped to do justice to ] next - which I will begin today, finally, promised. Its Bachsaal was pictured to begin ]. For more related thoughts and music, look on my talk for ]. --] (]) 12:14, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
			] died 100 years ago OTD, hence the story. I uploaded a few pics from the visit of ]. --] (]) 15:30, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
			] is about a tune used by ] and ], and Bach's text is base on ]. --] (]) 19:56, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
			Today is "the day" for ], also for Bach's ], based on a hymn based on ] (and why does it come before the third?) - the new pics have a mammal I had to look up. --] (]) 16:04, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
			:Says ], but maybe ]? ]? ]? Also, when the last time you've read '']'' cover to cover? ] 13:14, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
			:: I looked at the other two, and groundhog (high mountains) and capybara (much bigger) are out. The habitat described in nutria matched where I saw it, right next to the river, in the middle of town btw, and ignoring me. - Joyce: never. Tough enough for native English speakers. I read what Graham Waterhouse set to music ("Bulbulone" from Finnegans Wake, "Arise" from Chamber Music, #14, "Buzzard" again from Finnegans Wake), who was also inspired by ]. --] (]) 13:25, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
			:::A river in the middle of town? What town was this again? *** Yeah, understandable, no doubt a tough read. I personally am not a fan. ] 13:32, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
			:::: ] lies along the Lahn, northern side, and the trail is along the Lahn, and where I saw the animal was in the middle of the trail, well, yes, there's a little park on the other side of the trail. The road to Geilnau is a dead-end, which makes the valley quiet, with the train tracks in a tunnel in a distance. --] (]) 15:36, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
			:::::Either Nutria or Muskrat, then. All four are originally from the Americas, but those two were introduced into Eurasia. Capybara (which was a joke nomination) is South America only, while Groundhog—see my petting one at the top of this talk page (though maybe it's actually a Muskrat!)—is North America only. ] 15:47, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
			:::::: New pics of food and flowers come with ] of Noye's Fludde (premiered on 18 June), written by ]. I nominated ] because he died, and it needs support today! I nominated ] for GA in the Women in Green June run, - review welcome, and more noms planned. --] (]) 13:25, 18 June 2024 (UTC)
			:::::: The nom for Tappy has now a lot of support, but needs an admin to post it. Anybody looking here? --] (]) 20:00, 18 June 2024 (UTC)
			:::::: ] is a feast day for which Bach composed a chorale cantata in 1724 (and we had a DYK about it in 2012). Can't believe that ] had to die, - don't miss her video from the Opéra-Comique at the end, - story to come. The weekend brought ] sung (one based on ] and one based on ]) and listened to, and some of it is reflected in the last two stories! + pics of good food with good company --] (]) 14:04, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
			:::::: ] --] (]) 15:43, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
			== Jordan ==
			Hello, I just noticed the ] article had been placed under indef ECP in April, could you please tell me why this was done? Noting that there was an that stated the Jordan article does not fall under ARBPIA, and also that there was not much disruption to the article beyond a single week in April. ] (]) 14:08, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
			:Hey. So when attending to ], I saw excessive ARBPIA editing (disruptive or otherwise) by non-] accounts. That's the reason. As for that 2018 AE discussion: for our immediate purposes, it's somewhat academic whether the protection defines ] as a ] or as ]. There's also the issue of that page having been protected <u>over 25 times</u> prior. For the longer term, though, there could be a case to downgrade it to (indef) semi as ''related content'' only, say, in a few months from now. ] 18:08, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
			== a very cute duck ==
			{| style="background-color: #fdffe7; border: 1px solid #fceb92;"
			|rowspan="2" style="vertical-align: middle; padding: 5px;" | ]
			|style="font-size: x-large; padding: 3px 3px 0 3px; height: 1.5em;" | '''a very cute duck '''
			|-
			|style="vertical-align: middle; padding: 3px;" | I just felt kind today ;P ] (]) 02:58, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
	|}		|}
	Cheers from Canada! ;-) --]] 07:06, 1 May 2008 (UTC)
	:Thanks! ]! ] 08:45, 1 May 2008 (UTC)		:Thank you for the duck, ]! {{smiley}} ] 13:15, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
	== Re: Rama block ==		== Subject ==
			Thank you ] for closing the (]) page due to repeated vandalism. if possible, close it in general from fake accounts. ] (]) 12:57, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
	Hi. Are you sure blocking Rama was the best course of action? Although use of rollback during edit disputes has been increasingly frowned upon, to block a fellow admin over it without warning is excessive, I feel. Best, ] 12:33, 1 May 2008 (UTC)
			:No problem, glad I could help, ]. If further issues arise, feel free to relist at ] or drop me a note here. ] 13:16, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
	:It could be excessive and I have no problem with unblocking him of course since he's not involved with the issues there. We've just had a friendly exchange of emails where I explained to him my reasons (why using rollback for reverting a content dispute is not a good idea). However, since blocks are preventive (assuming Rama is not causing disruption- the case of Jaakobou and PR is apart) I believe that there is no reason why to keep him blocked. -- ] - <small>]</small> 12:50, 1 May 2008 (UTC)
			::] The page has been vandalized again. Please close it permanently ] (]) 00:29, 23 June 2024 (UTC)
	::Thanks. Sounds sensible. I'll unblock, then. Incidentally, I support the two other blocks, good call. I'd likely have done the same thing. ] 12:52, 1 May 2008 (UTC)
			:::] ''']'''&#32;for a period of '''2 weeks''', after which the page will be automatically unprotected.<!-- Template:RFPP#semi --> Permanent protection often gets imposed after dozens of previous protection actions (of escalated durations) over the course of years had proven insufficient. So this page isn't a candidate for that at this time, I'm afraid, since this is only its second protection. ] 06:46, 23 June 2024 (UTC)
			::::It's okay. I want you see it again in two weeks, to see if it was vandalized ] (]) 12:25, 23 June 2024 (UTC)
			:::::Honestly, I'm unlikely to remember unless given a reminder. But, again, feel free to drop me a line if there's further problems, and it'll be, I dunno, 2 months next, and many months after that. Unlike some admins, I don't usually allow a page to be protected tens of times before making it indef (permanent), but it still won't be twice or thrice from now. ] 12:46, 23 June 2024 (UTC)
			::::::There is nothing wrong with making the page permanently protected if it is always vulnerable due to frequent modifications, thank you ] (]) 12:51, 23 June 2024 (UTC)
			:::::::Requests for indef protections for pages of similar and even higher levels of disruption are extremely common, but the ]'s ethos stresses exhausting all options, and within reason, going through the motions. Which I'm not really the biggest fan of, but I can't act by fiat contra that unless there's something truly egregious. ] 12:59, 23 June 2024 (UTC)
	== ] ==		== ] ==
			Hiya, you asked for a reminder to restore the page's indef semi protection once the full protection lapses. Here you are! ] (]) 14:47, 20 June 2024 (UTC)
	The problem with your undiscussed move is that there are many other Umm Kulthums, including her namesake, a daughter of ]. Thus, it wasn't clear who was the most notable, although at this moment the singer is very famous. ] (]) 18:25, 1 May 2008 (UTC)
			:Beat me to it! :-) ]<sup>]</sup> 15:04, 20 June 2024 (UTC)
	:If you had a problem with my uncontroversial move you should have said so months ago (all you said was ''h''), instead of now g<s>r</s>asping <s>at straws</s> with "at this moment" , and omitting '''most'' famous' (by far). Obviously, the main name should go to this person. ] 20:15, 1 May 2008 (UTC)
			::] '''Done'''<!-- Template:RFPP#done --> — thanks for the reminder, guys! ] 00:38, 22 June 2024 (UTC)
	:I mean, what's next? Moving ] to ''Churchill (British Prime Minister)'' and making the former a redirect to ]? ] 20:26, 1 May 2008 (UTC)
			== My signature ==
	I apolgoize to you for having come across more aggressively and forecfuly than I intended. That said, those other names tend to be known in translated languages as "Umm Kulthum+." Usage in all other language Wikipedias conforms to this. ] 11:41, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
			Thank you for reminding me to add my signature to my comments. Somehow, I forgot to do it in that ArbCom discussion because usually, when commenting on an article talk page, the website automatically provides our signature for us. I have just added the <nowiki>{{unsigned}}</nowiki> template to each of them. Thank you. 🙂 — ] ] 23:51, 21 June 2024 (UTC)
	== Best way of doing it? ==
			:No worries, thanks for following up. I didn't realize that was a thing, but that makes sense. Incidentally, some have taken '']'' to '']'' reminder, but the truth is that I'm annoying about sigs in general. At least once monthly, ''].'' Oh well. Regards, ] 00:34, 22 June 2024 (UTC)
			== Edit request ==
	Hi,
			Hello. You semi protected the page on the ] for a number of days, and its talk page is also semi-protected.
	What is the best way of catching the readers' attention to the potential dangers?
			Previously, consistent with the wp norm, the first line of that article began contained bolded language. In this case, saying:
	Kindest Regards,
			:::"On 23 June 2024, the '''2024 Dagestan attack''' took place, when coordinated terrorist attacks were launched ..."
	Tony Liu <small>—Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 20:37, 1 May 2008 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
			That has now been changed. It now says "On 23 June 2024, coordinated terrorist attacks were launched ..." There is no bolded language in the lede, matching the title. And I cannot fix that, or ask on the article talk page that it be fixed, as those pages are semi-protected.
	:Hello. First, writing about it calmly, with a neutral tone, as is the case in the ] section and citing ]. ''If'' the dangers are somehow greatly overlooked (which I'm not convinced they are), then maybe add a bit more about these to the ]. But emphases that look urgent, alarmist, or even hysterical, are inherently problematic. Thanks in advance. ] 20:46, 1 May 2008 (UTC)
			Can you please restore the former format, consistent with out norms across the project?
	== ] ==
			I leave my request here as I am unable to do so on the article talk page, given that it has been semi-protected. ] (]) 03:40, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
	This ] may have been discussed before, but as the only Jewish Marxist I know, I thought you should weigh in with an opinion. I believe that there is insufficient reason to remove the discussion regarding Karl Marx. I've had a bad day. I had an Indian physician accuse me of "Jewing" on a contract. I've always had a strong distaste for that type of language.] <small><sup>] ]</sup></small> 06:39, 3 May 2008 (UTC)
			:Hi. Sorry, I'm precluded from doing that due to ]. You can submit that request to '']'', though. HTH. ] 04:48, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
	It's been discussed many times; I no longer have the strengh to engage in it for te 20th time. Any mention, if at all, should be brief. Because:
	#The ''mature Marx'' did not revisit to this topic, not even in a brief study. So, why should Misplaced Pages devote many lengthy paragarphs to it.
	#Why should these paragraphs (mostly quote; entire paragraphs of quotes) be so one-sided, shouldn't there be balance are afraid of revolution"? Or, wouldn't the qualification that Marx brings up in "On the Jewish Question," that he is not speaking about the religious ("Sabbath") Jews, be worth including?]
	#More professional bourgois encyclopedias, such Britannica or Columbia, which are of course anti-Marx, wouldn't even have a mention of this topic, due to the fact that Marx, in tens upon tens of thousands of pages of published work, barely touched on the topic. The only time he did was either in his youth, in scarce mention (that can really be coutned on one hand) scattered in two-three personal letters.
			== Request renewing a block for persistent BATTLEGROUND ==
	All that as per reason. As for the anti-Marx POVs dominating the article and section, it is axiomatic that they... this sentence finishes itself. ] 11:41, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
			I'd rather not go through ANI all over again when an editor immediately returned to the behavior that got them blocked there previously. In short, {{noping|Elinruby}} has continued their personal attacks and other BATTLEGROUND tactics across multiple discussions both on- and off-Wiki since their most recent block. When I reverted a removal of content on ], they
	==New Project==
			#Twice again removed the content
	Myself and several other editors have been compiling a list of very active editors who would likely be available to help new editors in the event they have questions or concerns. "-" The table can be found at ], as it has yet to have been moved into the Misplaced Pages namespace. Thank you for your help. ] (]) 17:22, 3 May 2008 (UTC)
			#Initiated a talk page discussion mischaracterizing me as claiming Portland is in Canada, a false statement they {{diff2|1230766486|repeated}} on their talk page
	:Sorry, I cannot commit to being available every day or even every week, and when I am around, I tend be already flooded with requests. ] 11:41, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
			#Opened a discussion at ] only 15 minutes after discussion began on the article talk page, but used {{diff2|1230764985|such a non-neutral statement}} that it had to be reverted
			#Began a further ''eight'' different talk sections on the ]
			#{{diff2|1231006092|Wrote}} {{tq|crickets}} when I didn't have time to immediately respond, following up with {{diff2|1231191892|this}} when I finally had a moment to begin catching up
			They've also taken to posting ''numerous'' discussions at NPOVN and RSN recently, including at least one where they {{diff2|1230209560|admitted}} to not even reading the source they were reporting ({{tq|I didn't actually check the text}}). Another editor has also {{diff2|1230968812|recently complained}} regarding Elinruby's behavior. I request you restore the block with an escalated duration. ~ ] (]) 02:55, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
			:<big>''Pass!''</big> <small>Sorry, at this time above all else, I can't commit to the follow ups, certainly if blocking was determined the correct course of action. So noticeboard does seem like your best bet (such as it is, but what can you do?).</small> ] 09:03, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
	== Amor's paw ==		== Derby Subj ==
	]
	Amor, our black and white cat, whom I have mentioned, sneaked into our bedroom when my wife opened the door at 6am. An hour later I heard the faintest '''squeak, squeak''' but kept my counsel. As we got up an hour later I heard sensed more '''squeakishness''' but still remained silent. Now everyone knows and they have been moved to the baby suite. Thanks, ] 23:30, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
	:I know how you feel! ] has been sleeping in (and/or '']'') our bed for years now. Best, ] 21:46, 7 May 2008 (UTC)
	::It gets worse. She now has her own bedroom, just for her and her kittens. Thanks, ] 23:13, 7 May 2008 (UTC)
	:::Now that is feline luxury! ] 02:34, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
	Very nice pic! So kissable! (Almost looks like a miniature version of ]) ] 21:42, 12 May 2008 (UTC)		Hi ] this ] needs to be closed after the continuous destruction, thank you. ] (]) 01:43, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
			== July music ==
	:Yes well gatito2 is the one who looks like her Mum, and Kitty and Amor are dead ringers, IMHO, as I mentioned before, but apparently Amor didn't want her pic taken this morning. Anyway consider this a mission in process. Thanks, ] 21:45, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
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			The ] about the first published composition by Arnold Schönberg which I was ]. Listen, and perhaps read what ] (to-be-Mahler at the time, to be precise, who was present at the first performance) said, and yes that was too much for the Main page ;) -- ] (]) 12:23, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
			] is about a Bach cantata premiered 300 years ago OTD. --] (]) 16:28, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
	::Awesome, looking forward to the rest. I just want to kissy him right now! Keep up the great work! ] 21:47, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
			3 July is the birthday of ], and I'm happy I had ]. It's also the birthday of ], and I uploaded pics from his family's album ]. --] (]) 13:30, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
	==Email blocks==
	Hey, El C. Just a reminder that email should not be disabled as a default when blocking accounts. Per the ], email should only be disabled in response to abuse of the email function. Thanks, - ] ] 20:10, 7 May 2008 (UTC)
	:I tend to automatically block email in the case of vandalism-only accounts with no substantive contributions. The odds of them suddenly deciding to send emails that serve a purpose are nearly nil. The odds of them spamming the email account of the person blocking them with ream upon ream of hate mail is relatively high. (I know... I get it regularly.) ] 21:46, 7 May 2008 (UTC)
	::Unfortunately this is stated quite explicitly in the blocking policy. If you believe we should change our approach to disabling email, I suggest opening a discussion on one of the ]s or on the blocking policy talk page. Until then, however, it is against policy to preemptively disable the email function. Thanks, - ] ] 22:06, 7 May 2008 (UTC)
	:::Sure, I can amend the policy to make it a bit less inflexible, if the discrepancy bothers you so much (and I gather it has, since you've been mentioning a lot lately). But, I'm going to use my discretion ]. Thanks for your concern, have a good day. ] 02:18, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
			], the subject of yesterday's story, would have turned 100 today, but I missed that ;) - Overnight, ] became GA and ] went to the Main page. I made my story about his almost unbelievable career, from Luigi in ] in Philadelphia in 1968 (with a nod to ]) up to Calaf in ] in Beijing in 1999 ;) - 4 July is also the birthday of ] who was a pioneer of {{diff|Percyc Grainger|579193399||a concise infobox}} in 2013. --] (]) 12:10, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
	==Country links==
	Hi El C., i'm very sorry for adding these links to the Wikpedia country sites. I didn't know that there are other wikipedia's in other languages! If I find any country websites that are in other languages other than english, i'll make sure they have an english link to it, if not I won't add them. Once again, i'm sorry. Take care.
	:Thanks. Just make sure to add a more descriptive title. Basically, just state who the author/entity is behind the site and what its purpose. ] 09:04, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
			Pictured on the Main page: Brian's ], my ], and ] related to all three items of ] on my talk: our 2023 concert, an opera in a theatre where a Mozart premiere took place, and those remembered, ], a bass, and ], a violinist from Georgia, (whose article would be better with more details about her music-making). --]
	==Kabul==
			(]) 10:05, 9 July 2024 (UTC)
	I added a more appropiate pictur to Eduction section in ] article but you are reverting my edits because your brains are misleading you to think that I did the change of the pic for Islam reason. This is not the case. The older picture is appropiate inside ] because it shows the indside of Kabul University and the same picture is included already there. Mines, however, shows the outside of Kabul Medical University, and the Education section is too small to add 2 pics. Since the main article is about "Kabul" it looks good if we add images that show buildings from the outside if such are available. The inside pics look good in articles that are about the buildings. The Kabul article already has a close-up picture of Afghan women at "Demographic" section, it looks bad to keep showing women's faces in every section. My purpose is to help make articles look professional.--] (]) 12:25, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
	:Please do not call my edits vandalism. You replace a picture of female university students with uncovered faces, to one with females covered from head-to-toe and you use the edit summary: . You gotta stop now. Thx. ] 20:33, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
			Found a bit more. ] is about her, an outstanding violinist from Georgia, which is a sad story in the end. --] (]) 13:52, 11 July 2024 (UTC)
			My ] is - because of the anniversary of the premiere OTD in 1782 - about ], opera by ], while ] was - because of the TFA - about ], opera by ], - so 3 times Mozart again if you click on "music" ;) - and a small deer pictured in the new pics --] (]) 11:50, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
			Today's story is ], in honour of the friend from Israel whose birthday is today. --] (]) 22:19, 18 July 2024 (UTC)
			] is about a photographer who took iconic pictures, especially ], yesterday's was ], and on Thursday ]. If that's not enough my talk offers the chamber music from two amazing concerts. The latest pics have a juxtaposition of cattle (moving their ears at a wild speed) and their meat on a plate - a bit cruel perhaps. --] (]) 10:55, 20 July 2024 (UTC)
			... and ] begins with ], paraphrased in 1524, and put to five (!) ]s in 1724, for this Sunday. Nominated for GA. --] (]) 19:36, 21 July 2024 (UTC)
			== Remove protection from ] ==
			I see no reason for the page to continue being protected since there is no controversy or anything surrounding it unlike ] ]. Plus, edits are so infrequent that protection is most likely useless. ''Maybe'' if vandalism returns there could be some pending changes or maybe semi, but there’s no way a 5-year-long ECP is worth it anymore. ] (]) 01:59, 8 July 2024 (UTC)
			:It was an LTA years-long obsession (not just with this page) rather than real-world controversy or incident. Anyway ] '''Unprotected'''<!-- Template:RFPP#unpr -->. ] 06:05, 8 July 2024 (UTC)
			== Remove protection ==
			Hi ELC, After opened the page ] after you closed it for a week, it was vandalized again. Can you close it permanently. ] (]) 14:30, 9 July 2024 (UTC)
			== Profile syntax ==
			Hello! I'm cleaning up various pages with tracked syntax errors and ran across your userpage this evening. Wondered if you'd be willing to update it with changes to correct the misnested and obsolete tag issues? If these meet your approval, you can copy the entirety (minus the first two lines) for simplicity. Best wishes, and hope you are staying cool this hot summer! ] (]) 05:36, 17 July 2024 (UTC)
			:] '''Done'''<!-- Template:RFPP#done --> — thank you for your diligence. Best, ] 09:57, 17 July 2024 (UTC)
			== List of highest grossing films protection ==
			Hi, I asked you a question ], but I don't know if you saw the ping, can you give back to the page the EC protection? Thanks. Today another edit was reverted to a registered user--] (]) 17:05, 24 July 2024 (UTC)
			:Hey. No, I didn't see it, but you should not edit archives (from a year ago and in general), since those discussions are no longer live. Sorry, but a single user (now blocked) is not enough for ] that would effect many. And I don't have the time to look into this in depth, sort of in-the-blind, as I don't remember much about this page a year ago. ] 18:56, 24 July 2024 (UTC)
			::But it is not only a user, I told you about also in December 2023, there are many reverted edits from registered users, you can see some of them , but there are another without the tag. Since the user that asked you to reduce the protection didn't know anything about the page situation, I think that is pretty unfair, for months me, Betty Logan and other users have to revert many edits because of that, so maybe you can put back the ECP even without knowing the page too much, like that user did in September 2023, if you "accepted" that request from a user that doesn't follow, doesn't edit and doesn't know the page, you can trust me, one of the main contributor, when I say that the page still needs the ECP, thanks--] (]) 19:11, 24 July 2024 (UTC)
			:::Sure, let's see what {{u|Betty Logan}} says (I see you've notified her of this). Sorry, I've protected many hundreds of pages since then, so again, I simply do not recall any of these details. ] 20:04, 24 July 2024 (UTC)
			::::There is currently an underlying issue with Box-Office Mojo double-counting re-release grosses. This has led to many editors "correcting" figures to incorrect values. These edits are carried out entirely in good faith, but they do generally come from newer, more inexperienced editors who are not familiar with the issue. We are tracking the problem at ] which most of the regular Film project editors are familiar with. I think extending the protection would probably help. It would mean that new/inexperienced editors would need to request the change on the talk page where the problem could be explained to them (if applicable). I don't think it would be detrimental to updating the article because it has several dedicated editors from a wide geographic span. ] (]) 10:03, 25 July 2024 (UTC)
			:::::] '''Done'''<!-- Template:RFPP#done --> — thank you both. ] 15:37, 25 July 2024 (UTC)
			== List of CNN Personnel vandal ==
			Hey, El C!
			A couple days ago you protected ] after an Israeli IP vandal engaged in several days of constant vandalism. Well, the protection is off and he's back. Would you mind taking look cat the situation and see what might be done? He's IP-hopping, so a range block, maybe? You know what's best. Thanks for any help! ] (]) 02:55, 5 August 2024 (UTC)
			== August music ==
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			Today I have two "musicians" on the Main page, one is also the topic of ], watch and listen, - I like today's especially because you see him at work, hear him talk about his work and the result of his work - rare! -- ] (]) 15:08, 7 August 2024 (UTC)
			... and ], like 22 July but with interview and the music to be played today --] (]) 14:23, 8 August 2024 (UTC)
			On 13 August, ], and the image one. The cantata is an extrordinary piece, using the chorale's text and famous melody more than others in ]. It's nice to have not only a recent death, but also this "birthday" on the Main page. And a rainbow in my places. --] (]) 11:54, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
			... adding 4 animals from 30 July --] (]) 14:48, 18 August 2024 (UTC)
			:Hey. Thank you. Sorry for my absence. Hope to be back soon, though. All the best, ] 12:31, 6 September 2024 (UTC)
			== IP vandalism again ==
			Ip ] and ] are vandalizing movie pages by changing budget and boxoffice numbers. You blocked IP ] and all these IPs come from one person. I think a block on a range will be helpful. ] (]) 11:33, 8 August 2024 (UTC)
			==Happy First Edit Day!==
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			== Invitation to join the Twenty Year Society ==
			] Dear {{PAGENAME}},
			I'd like to extend a cordial invitation to you to join the ''']''', an informal group for editors who've been participating in the Misplaced Pages project for twenty years or more. &#x200B;
			Best regards, ] (]) 07:02, 9 August 2024 (UTC)
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			== Unblocking from editing ==
			Why did you unblock me from editing? ] (]) 03:34, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
			:That didn't happen. ] 12:31, 6 September 2024 (UTC)
			==One of the saddest songs I know==
			"", by ]. ] (]) 16:34, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
			:Hey. More Ted Hawkins, nice. But, sorry, I am denying sadness for the moment (somehow). {{smiley}} Hope you've been well. Best wishes, ] 12:35, 6 September 2024 (UTC)
			== Question about a close ==
			Hi El C. In your close ] you used the phrase {{tqq|with prejudice}}. This wording has come up in a few different places I've seen regarding appeals and so I was just wondering what you meant by it. Thanks, ] (]) 21:02, 6 September 2024 (UTC)
			:Hey. This is over a year ago, but probably aligning with such comments as {{tq|''Hell no and reconsider after the heat death of the universe''}}, and so on. HTH. ] 21:56, 6 September 2024 (UTC)
			::While I have no eagerness to see this person unblocked (probably ever) it's been taken by a few admins to mean that the person can literally never appeal again, which strikes me as beyond the consensus of that conversation (and truthfully likely beyond policy consensus, at least as policy is written). Was it your intent to permanently close all future appeals? ] (]) 22:03, 6 September 2024 (UTC)
			:::No, no, that was not my intent. I think at the time I was just, like, ''fuck that guy''. But I agree with what you say and, in any case, I would not have stood in the way of any future appeals. ] 22:18, 6 September 2024 (UTC)
			::::Thanks. I certainly can't argue with the sentiment you had at the time. Best, ] (]) 22:20, 6 September 2024 (UTC)
			=== Request to reconsider a close on "with prejudice" ===
			Hi El C. I know it's been a while, but you closed ], and since then I think the impact of your wording has been perhaps broader than intended. Your wording stated that the appeal was denied "with prejudice." While I understand the sentiment of the thread was that this user was unwelcome, the "with prejudice" wording suggests that we will never, ever unban them. While that might be true, it might not be, and telling someone to never come back just encourages sockpuppeting. This has created a problem at UTRS where it's unclear if this user can appeal at all. So in the interest of resolving this issue, I wonder if you might reconsider your choice of wording in the close. I don't think the community has authorized the sort of decision to permaban people without any further chance of appeal. ] <sup>]</sup>] 20:25, 13 September 2024 (UTC)
			:Hello. Please refer to the (now main) thread directly above, which I feel suffices for this singular incidence. If you need more from me, let me know. ] 02:36, 14 September 2024 (UTC)
			::@] Ah, my bad, I didn't see that @] had also raised the issue. ] <sup>]</sup>] 06:19, 14 September 2024 (UTC)
			:::{{re|CaptainEek|Barkeep49}} To expand a bit (sorry, been pressed for time recently), I think there are ways in which future appeals ''can'' be limited by a closing admin in the course of a consensus for a CBAN, which is when reoccurring appeals are the subject of that consensus expressly. I've done this before. Two years probably tops (five unlikely). Indef denial of considering appeals ''is'' possible, but that'd be the exclusive domain of ARBCOM (project-wise, of course it could also happen at the Foundation level). This was reflexive on my part, which I do regret in so far as it inconveniencing my colleagues. And for that I apologize, {{u|Deepfriedokra}}, {{u|Jpgordon}}, and {{u|Yamla}}. Yours truly, ] 06:54, 15 September 2024 (UTC)
			::::Thanks y'all. {{pinging|JBW|}} who was very articulate at utrs. ] (]) 09:30, 15 September 2024 (UTC)
			:::::Thanks sorry to put you all through that. I guess that now means I get to (reluctantly) carry his appeal to the community-- but not on a Sunday, for that is my day of prayer. ] (]) 09:35, 15 September 2024 (UTC)
			== September music ==
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			Today is ]! On display his portrait by ], music from ], and two DYK hooks, one from 2010 and another from 2014; the latter, about his 40th birthday, appeared on his 140th birthday ;) - See ''places'' for a stunning sunrise, on the day ]'s 200th birthday was celebrated (just a few days late). -- ] (]) 20:52, 13 September 2024 (UTC)
			] is about a man who played jazz when it was banned by the Nazis, - you can listen to how they played it later. --] (]) 20:53, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
			] features a pic I took from my position in the choir, I can also offer varied delightful ], some from Venice, also with pics I took, - note the rose in the clarinet ;) --] (]) 12:22, 25 September 2024 (UTC)
			== Abdul Hannan ==
			Hello, could you protect this ] so that only self-confirmed editors participate and not anonymous IPs. Thank you. ] (]) 07:57, 15 September 2024 (UTC)
			:Sorry, I'm declining your request, ]. One disruptive user (now indef blocked) is insufficient grounds for protection (i.e. there needs to be a few). ] 14:26, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
			== Edward Windsor, Lord Downpatrick ==
			Hello there! I'm just reaching out to inform you that troll editors are back trying to mess with this page, since the protections were recently taken down. They removed a more recent picture of the guy to use an image from nearly 20 years ago, and I worry that there may be more vandalization to come.
			Could you restore the protection template please? I'm happy to update the image again, if needed, and stay on the lookout for disruptive editing. Thanks so much. ] (]) 16:28, 1 October 2024 (UTC)
			:It looks like someone deleted the more recent image altogether actually. Not sure why, since there's no justification for it... ] (]) 16:33, 1 October 2024 (UTC)
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			You may remember ], my ] as ]. ] was unusual: last compositions and eternal light, with ] mentioned in story and music. --] (]) 11:57, 3 October 2024 (UTC)
			I made Leif Segerstam my ] story today. -] (]) 09:06, 16 October 2024 (UTC)
			My ] is a cantata 300 years old, based on a hymn 200 years old when the cantata was composed, based on ''']''' some thousand years old, - so said the 2015 DYK hook. I had forgotten the discussion on the talk. --] (]) 17:17, 20 October 2024 (UTC)
			Happy whatever you celebrate today, - more who died, more to come, and they made the world ]. Greetings from Madrid where I took the pic of assorted ] in 2016. --] (]) 15:52, 31 October 2024 (UTC)
			== Question ==
			Hi, El C. Regarding the "" edit summary, can you suggest what I could have done differently here? I a talk page discussion elaborating on this, but it seems that my approach was not good enough here. Do you suggest a more descriptive edit summary? Thank you. ] (]) 15:39, 18 October 2024 (UTC)
			:Hello. It doesn't touch on that being the prevailing convention. You need to address ''that'' directly. ] 15:43, 18 October 2024 (UTC)
			::Oh, I see. Makes sense, I should have referred to something like ] or ] then. Thanks for clarifying. ] (]) 15:48, 18 October 2024 (UTC)
			== Thanks for the info ==
			Hello @] thank you for the reply and the info in the post and don't worry for writing in haste, I was thinking that page was intended for quick comments which is why I didn't contribute when I initially saw the post. Thanks for the info you provided I'm gonna try and see what I can do about it. ] (]) 20:25, 19 October 2024 (UTC)
			:You're welcome, ], glad I could help. Good luck. ] 20:30, 19 October 2024 (UTC)
			::], in the interest of completeness, I forget if you commented at the latest ANI report <small>(])</small>, but I ended up blocking Steven indefinitely <small>(]).</small> Hope this message finds you well. Best, ] 20:31, 21 October 2024 (UTC)
			:::@] I was watching it but never got the time to write out my full opinion on the matter, in the end it wasn't needed I suppose. Thanks for letting me know and thanks for the help! ] (]) 21:14, 21 October 2024 (UTC)
			== Ukrainian election vandalism ==
			Hello! Unfortunately, the user I mentioned at ], whom you partially blocked for two weeks, appears to be back under the new IP ]; they are continuing the pattern of inserting 2025 as the next election date with no source and the edit summary "election proposed". I've reverted the latest edits again - the three articles affected are ], ], and ].
			Thank you for your help! ] (]) 15:21, 21 October 2024 (UTC)
			:Sorry, I've just noticed that the same thing was done on ], which I have reverted as well. This one is by ] (), I don't know if they are the same person behind the two IPs. ] (]) 15:33, 21 October 2024 (UTC)
			::Hey. So I've just semiprotected all of them under ]. Obviously, there's also a ] undercurrent there as well, but we'll cross that bridge if and/or when that protection level falls short. Sorry, I'm writing in haste and do not have time to look into that named account (or anything else) right now, but they have only two edits at the time of writing, so the semiprotection should work against them, at least for the time being. Best, ] 15:42, 21 October 2024 (UTC)
			:::@] that's great, thank you so much for your help and swift action! ] (]) 15:47, 21 October 2024 (UTC)
			::::You're welcome, happy to help. Please feel free to continue to update me if any further issues arise. ] 15:50, 21 October 2024 (UTC)
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			== Another controversy with Mellk ==
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			Hi, once again I have an issue with this user Mellk, who created another controversy seemingly out of nowhere and don't want to explain a proper reason for their reverts, regarding this they were already formally warned about by you.
			First, they reverted me in Kievan Rus' article , with a summary like this "'''"Land of Rus" not mentioned in source, WP:OR and other unexplained changes'''". I reverted them , and pointed out that it Rus' land is mentioned with sources literally above the section I edited (In ], go to the "names" section and see an image with a sentence below:"Rus' land in narrow sense", which is sourced!), I also pointed out that I have already given an explanation for my changes in my last summary. They continued to persist and reverted my changes again, with a summary:"'''Image alone is not RS and overall this does not look like an improvement, you can start a talk page discussion about this'''.
			I didn't revert them again, as this is what other administrator suggested, so I wasn't doing any edit warring, and instead I decided to address this issue to them in a discussion in History of Ukraine talk page, expecting to solve the issue quickly , yet here they greeted me with this comment:"'''This talk page is only about improving this article. This does not count as spam. If you create a new topic there, I will explain my reasoning there in more detail'''". They basically told that it is I who must create new topic on Kievan Rus' talk page and only then they will give a proper explanation, as if it's not what they are supposed to do from the beginning .
			I addressed them this and after few responses, they eventually moved to the talk page of Kievan Rus' article, but answered under completely different topic created by another person, which they associated with me for some reason. I created a new topic for them, where
			they continued to write me this :"'''There is also no mention of "Land of Rus" in Encyclopedia of Ukraine, and really, we should be using better sources than this. If this is based on the image, then this looks like synth. The other changes do not look like an improvement. For example, what is "the first Rus' people" supposed to mean? Also, changing "Vladimir the Great and Yaroslav the Wise tried to associate the name with all of the extended princely domains" to "the name was as well denoting all of the Kievan domains" changes the meaning'''". They continued to ignore the fact that the sentence below the image was sourced and I addressed them this. They also didn't know what Rus' people meant at different times, yet still addressed this as my issue. Seeing the lack of proper reasoning yet a persistent denial of my edits, I tried to ask for further details about why they see my changes as a WP:synth,, and also told them to not waste time of other editors with a minor nitpicking or because of their own dull understanding of a subject. Instead of giving me a further proper response, they wrote me this :"'' 'Since you are resorting to personal attacks once again, I have lost interest in discussing' ''".
			Then they headed to the Talk page of other administrator and began to complain :"'''Hi asilvering, I am still finding it impossible to discuss edits with Shahray, already less than a day after their block expired'''". I obviously noticed this and addressed their childish behavior and unwillingness to cooperate.
			Surprisingly, other administrator wrote this :"'''Nah, I think you're fine to go to ANI about it. They've been blocked twice for this already, and now they might be doing WP:LOUTSOCK stuff'''".
			] supported them and suggested to report me on notice board, with absolutely no evidence of my guilt given, giving me some further nonsensical accusations like "sock puppetary", even though I wrote all my messages to Mellk from my personal account. Furthermore, Asilvering ignored my comment and my concerns about Mellk and wrote:"'''Go ahead and use that reply above as evidence ¯\_(ツ)_/¯'''".
			Viewing this overall, a deliberate attempt to target me might take place, so I ask for a suggestion from you about how can we solve this situation and should Mellk receive a temporary block for a behavior they have been already warned about? Because they don't seem to want a peaceful solution and quickly drop out of the discussion after a few responses, persisting on deleting my changes at the same time. ] (]) 17:44, 26 October 2024 (UTC)
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			=== Notifying people in an edit summary ===
			{{tpw}} I'm not sure if you meant to ] anyone in the edit summary with ]. I just wanted to pint out that it's possible, but you have to link the persons' userspace in the edit summary. So, if you wanted to notify me in an edit summary, you'd have to put in <nowiki>]</nowiki> somewhere within it. ] ] ] 20:23, 1 November 2024 (UTC)
			:It was intentional. ] 21:11, 1 November 2024 (UTC)
			::@], I believe this topic ban isn't justified enough, I explained the reason here . If you don't want to go into details or unban, then I ask you to at least adjust this ban for now so I can edit talk pages, and can ask community broadly regarding my changes. I don't think this should create any issues. Further editing is pointless without getting consensus first anyway. ] (]) 06:59, 3 November 2024 (UTC)
			:::], I'm not involved in imposing this ban and unfortunately can't spare the time to review it, sorry. ] 07:51, 3 November 2024 (UTC)
			::::@], I know you shouldn't necessarily look into this, but it would be helpful if you make an adjustment that allows to edit talk pages, I don't think it wastes much time or is controversial. Admin who imposed this ban said they are "happy for other admins to make whatever adjustments they feel are reasonable". Cheers. ] (]) 08:48, 3 November 2024 (UTC)
			:::::You misunderstand the admin who made that comment after saying "go straight to AE as described at ]". The admin is saying that the AE admins at ] will make adjustments they feel are reasonable. That does not apply to individual admins at their talk pages. El_C has made it clear that they are busy and you should post at ] if seeking an adjustment, not here. ] (]) 09:27, 3 November 2024 (UTC)
			== Twin Flames ==
			Thanks for the page protection and revdels. If you get a chance, there are two more IP edits that could use revdel too. ] (]) 21:43, 1 November 2024 (UTC)
			:Ugh, pattern recognition fail. :( ] '''Done'''<!-- Template:RFPP#done -->. ] 22:36, 1 November 2024 (UTC)
			== RE: Sarah Jama Page ==
			Good evening El C,
			I want to start off by thanking you for protecting the Sarah Jama page! It's badly needed. Also, I love the chipmunk pictures - I live near the Niagara Escarpment and one of my favourite things is hiking and finding all the wildlife on the trail, very much including quite a few chipmunks.
			I'm having a lot of difficulty with the page for Sarah Jama. I'll send you a link to the version I created, which has been repeatedly sabotaged:
			<nowiki>https://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Sarah_Jama&oldid=1254559532</nowiki>
			Some of my formatting isn't perfect, especially around dates for citations and so forth. But I think you'll agree that my content is objective, impartial, and well-substantiated.
			I see that you locked the page and required that extended confirmed users alone are allowed to make edits. While I applaud the protection, the problem is that the version implemented contains multiple very serious omissions, most notably MPP Sarah Jama's legislative work, which you'll see in my version, but not the page's current version.
			Any help will be much appreciated, I only want the truth to be represented.
			Pat ] (]) 01:31, 2 November 2024 (UTC)
			:Hello ]. Unfortunately, even if the edits (which I did not examine closely) are indeed {{tq|''objective, impartial, and well-substantiated}}'', that isn't pertinent to this action and also not for me to decide. The account restriction (to ]) is an arbitration remedy (], ]) that is meant as a ''technical'' limitation imposed by the ]. And not for me to decide even beyond that, per ]. So the edits being correct—which short of ] outright is sorta in the eye of the beholder—would not be seen as a mitigating factor. Well, to a point. Say you had a good record of well-sourced edits and were at ~450 edits (50 short of the XC tenure)... in that instance, I might manually upgrade your permissions (and most admins wouldn't even do that as we have so little discretion in that area). But you're ] at the time of writing, so not even close. So my suggestion would be for you to prioritize what you deem most pressing and formulate that through the ''''']''''' feature. Which is ''all'' you're allowed to do for this topic area until meeting the 30 days 500 edits requirement (]). Sorry I don't have better news for you, but that's just how the system has been set up over the years, mostly to avoid canvassing and brigading in some of these especially ]. Thank you. ] 03:10, 2 November 2024 (UTC)
			::], as an afterthought, you can see from a ''']''' (for the article ]) from earlier today that, for my part, I at least try to avoid topic area edits by un-tenured users from being rejected offhand simply on the basis of lacking that tenure. Like the editor in that request who effectively said: ''I agree with the edits and think they're good, but I still undid them for lacking the tenure'' (i.e. on that basis only). It does sometimes feel like I'm fighting a losing battle, though. But I still try. Yours, ] 09:42, 3 November 2024 (UTC)
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			Hey El C: I thought you might want to be aware of ] (which includes not just the linked to thread, but a much larger one further above on VP/WMF). In summary, it appears that the WMF is prepared to imminently disclose personally identifying information about volunteers in a controversial Indian court case, where a news agency is attempting to suppress Misplaced Pages's tertiary coverage of the content of secondary sources (which it considers unflattering) by going after a number of individual editors as defendants. In order to comply with court orders in the case, it seems the WMF is prepared to share this information in what a number of us consider a pretty seismically bad idea and a betrayal of community priorities and values (the WMF has also already used an office action to remove an article reporting on the case, at the direction of the court for what said court regards as legitimate ] reasons).
			While the deletion of the article has been framed by the WMF as temporary step to preserve appeal on the overall case, and there are mixed feelings in the community response as to that so far, there is a much more uniform opposition to throwing the individual editors (at least one of whom is located in India and has profound apprehension about what this could mean for his life with regard to litigation and beyond) under the bus. And yet the WMF appears to be prepared to share the information in question, as soon as Nov. 8. Can I impose upon you to take a look at the matter and share your perspective? '']]'' 00:51, 6 November 2024 (UTC)
			:Hey. I'm sorry, but whatever this is, it is summarized poorly. Particularly, I've yet to see where it is expressly stated that {{tq|''the WMF is prepared to imminently disclose personally identifying information''}}, as soon as Nov. 8, that could then be subject to possible discovery or leaking. Of crouse, I'd strongly oppose such a gross overreach and betrayal by the Foundation. And of course, I'd rather the Foundation as representing the English Misplaced Pages refuse to cooperate with that Indian court, even if that means letting India (with its mass number of English speakers) go by the wayside like Russia, China, Turkey, etc. If only to avoid the likely class-action suit ''in America'' that could spell the demise of the WMF and by extension, its flagship English Misplaced Pages project. But the facts of the matter are unclear (within the thousands of words) and my time is limited by necessity as of late, notwithstanding even the potential gravity of such a measure. ] 05:41, 6 November 2024 (UTC)
			::Well, as to the certainty that a disclosure is imminent that is driving so much of the concern just now, it comes from one of the involved editors/potential defendants, who reached out to Valereee with a series of posts they wished Val to deliver into the thread on their behalf. In those messages, this editor (anonymous to the broader community at the present time) disclosed that they have been in touch with the WMF over the last few days and that the current WMF plan seems to be to disclose the PII to the court on the 8th. So, not really much doubt at this moment in time, unfortunately. '']]'' 06:13, 6 November 2024 (UTC)
			:::On her talk page or privately? Also, I just realized that the WPO's thread titled is about this. I've yet to look at that thread and didn't connect between ''Asian News International'' and India until now. Anyway, maybe that thread can offer a better summary. As mentioned, my time is very limited lately, but I'll try giving that thread at least a cursory read. Yours, ] 06:18, 6 November 2024 (UTC)
			::::That's all that can be asked, and then some, when I consider the general state of things at this moment. ;) '']]'' 07:47, 6 November 2024 (UTC)
			:::::{{u|Snow Rise}}, I'm writing in haste, but in the interest of completeness, I've yet to read that thread, but I did find a ''Singpost'' summary (by way of WPO) '''].''' So I'm somewhat up to date, but {{u|Yngvadottir}}, help a brother out! I also found out that '']'' is considering a similar suit (you know, the leftists and shit), and guess which admin indef semi'd that page as ]? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ ] 02:33, 7 November 2024 (UTC)
			::::::In response to ping, I was about to recommend that Wikipediocracy thread; if you can stand to wade through the bloviations from people like me, I think the informational posts there summarize the evolving situation, with links, better than anything else including the '']''. Sorry. ] (]) 02:59, 7 November 2024 (UTC)
			:::::::Fair enough, will do. Thanks for taking the time and for the prompt response. Btw, you might not be as longwinded as Snow Rise (''*poke*''), but I rarely if ever fail to find it worthwhile reading (either of) your writings in full. But time, you know, a harsh mistress. Thanks again. Yours, ] 03:22, 7 November 2024 (UTC)
			== ] ==
			Could you please reinstate the page protection for this redirect? It went off two weeks ago, and the IP reversals have already started up again. Cheers --<span style="font-family:Courier">]</span> <small>(] · ])</small> 12:06, 7 November 2024 (UTC)
			:], the page you directly-linked is not a redirect, so all I have in front of me is the ] page that was never protected and was last edited 06:14, 5 July 2022. ] 01:02, 10 November 2024 (UTC)
			::Sorry, wrong link - I intended ]. --<span style="font-family:Courier">]</span> <small>(] · ])</small> 08:10, 10 November 2024 (UTC)
			:::] ''']'''&#32;for a period of '''6 months''', after which the page will be automatically unprotected.<!-- Template:RFPP#semi --> ] 11:23, 10 November 2024 (UTC)
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			For a surprise, ] is on the Main page today, where it was last year for the 300th anniversary, and they were too lazy to find something new ;) - Look at my story, and listen to the 3 whole-tone steps and the dialogues of Fear and Hope. - An ] open to be signed (more info on the talk), - I haven't checked if you did, please ignore then. --] (]) 21:07, 7 November 2024 (UTC)
			] relates to 2 meanings of 9 Nov, - imagine: I found a DYK I liked from 2006, before my time here. --] (]) 21:07, 9 November 2024 (UTC)
			I uploaded more pics, on a mountain in the sun above the fog. - ] - ]. --] (]) 15:13, 11 November 2024 (UTC)
			I uploaded pics of a trip that was a 10-day celebration of a 16 November event, but the day was also when a dear friend died. We sang ] at his funeral yesterday, and it was good. He helped me in the Hebrew Misplaced Pages. --] (]) 18:53, 30 November 2024 (UTC)
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			@], in ] you mentioned that ''the result was merge with an option to split in the near future''. Now after two years the articles ] and ] have been split specially that Mahsa Amini has received ]. But some users once again are determined to remove Mahsa Amini article because of personal and political reasons. They are wrongly going to merge article ] into ] whereas these articles need necessarily to be separated because both of them are notable and Mahsa Amin has received ]. I think a person who has received this important prize must have an article independently. Unfortunately some users are determined to remove her article just because of political reasons which is not acceptable in Misplaced Pages. Please help to stop merging these articles. ] (]) 19:24, 12 November 2024 (UTC)
			:Sorry, ], but I lack the spare time to give this even a cursory review right now, so I leave it to be decided by others. I notice you already posted ] <small>(])</small>, so however that concludes is fine with me. Thank you. ] 00:42, 13 November 2024 (UTC)
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			== Page Protection (Talk:2024 United States presidential election) ==
			Hi El :) It was recommended that I reach out to you directly to request that you roll back the protection on ]. I understand protecting the main page and do not think that should change at the moment, but the talk page is becoming one-sided as a small handful of editors/administrators repeatedly shut down and archive certain topics, with outside voices being unable to even participate in the discussion. Thank you for your consideration. ] (]) 21:00, 3 December 2024 (UTC)
			:Hi. The protection expires in a couple of weeks anyway, but I'm alright with lifting it early, especially since the outcome is uncontested. ] '''Unprotected'''<!-- Template:RFPP#unpr -->. ] 05:34, 4 December 2024 (UTC)
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			== Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Mashiding Lomandong ==
			Hi El C. I'm asking you about this since you protected ]. Should the two "keep" !votes now be struck based on ]? -- ] (]) 21:42, 6 December 2024 (UTC)
			:Hey. Sorry for the delay in replying (which may render the matter moot). But in answer to your question: personally, I'm not a fan of using strikethrough, especially when the {{tl|canvassed}} or {{tl|spa}} tag/s have already been applied. That's just my own general preference, though. HTH. All the best, ] 08:01, 11 December 2024 (UTC)
			::I guess it was moot since they were CU-blocked since. Anyway, this is to note that I closed the discussion with ''unanimous consensus to delete''. ] 14:29, 11 December 2024 (UTC)
			== Vandalism ==
			Hi. ] insistly violates ] and ]. Before, he did his vandalistic changes with another account. Please block him and his IP address, and if possible, please take the pages that he vandalize under protection. Thank you. ] (]) 07:02, 11 December 2024 (UTC)
			:Hello ]. I've left them a warning about observing the ethos of ] (etc.) by refraining from adding these honourifics ''en masse'' ('']''), so hopefully this will suffice. Blocking is a last resort, though, and these, technically, do not count as vandalism, at least not yet (please refer to ]) for the definition). Thank you. ] 08:07, 11 December 2024 (UTC)
			== December music ==
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			Listen today to ]'s 3rd cello sonata, on his birthday - it was a hook in the ] when his 250th birthday was remembered. I picked a recording with ], because he was on my ] this year, and I was in Brazil (see places), and I love his playing. --] (]) 21:51, 16 December 2024 (UTC)
			I come to fix the cellist's name, with ] and new pics - look for red birds --] (]) 18:41, 18 December 2024 (UTC)
			:Merry Christmas! Sorry, I've been largely away as of late. Also, I scrolled and scrolled but couldn't find the birds! (I'm sure they're in the last place I didn't look, though.) ] 04:14, 26 December 2024 (UTC)
			: Happy Hannukah, and thanks for being around! Yes, the last place, the last pic of 23 Dec. They were far away but closer than ever. My ] was about Bach's BWV 91, and the second (not yet written, will simply follow there) about ], also 300 years old about a 500-years-old song by Luther. --] (]) 07:12, 26 December 2024 (UTC)
			==Abusive IP==
			Here is their range ], their edits on & may also need revdeletion. - ] (]) 05:38, 17 December 2024 (UTC)
			:Definitely. That's pretty bad. Anyway: ] '''Done'''<!-- Template:RFPP#done -->. Thank you. ] 05:42, 17 December 2024 (UTC)
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			:Thanks, {{u|Freedoxm}}, that's very kind of you. {{smiley}} Best wishes, ] 16:29, 18 December 2024 (UTC)
			==Io Saturnalia!==
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			:Thanks, and wishing the same to you! ] 04:15, 26 December 2024 (UTC)
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			:Many thanks! Merry Christmas and a happy new year to you too! {{smiley}} ] 04:17, 26 December 2024 (UTC)
	==What's happening on my talk page?==
	What's happening? I cannot find the text, or use the "undo", so I don't know what's happening. Can you inform me please? --] (]) 20:46, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
	:The "lynching" comment has been removed at my discretion and the editor in question was warned not to repeat such attacks. ] 20:49, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
			== "extraordinary circumstances" ==
	=== ] ===
			May i ask what makes this BLP perpetrator extraordinary when compared to every other accused murderer on Misplaced Pages? ] (]) 01:23, 22 December 2024 (UTC)
	Did I exaggerate at ]? Imagine him playing these games at the Talk pages of half a dozen articles (because he wants to rename them all) and on the Talk pages of 4 or 5 editors. — ]&nbsp;(]&nbsp;'''·''' ]) 23:14, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
			:The target and circumstances. ] 02:58, 22 December 2024 (UTC)
	:I am increasingly troubled with his conduct, especially his where I attempted to deal with the "techno-lynching" attack. ] 23:17, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
			== Happy Holidays! ==
	==Your input requested regarding reliable sources==
	Any insights you might offer to would be helpful and appreciated. : ) --] 03:50, 11 May 2008 (UTC)
	:Have you tried contacting Ashok Tilak (is there contract info?)? That could answer a lot of the questions. ] 14:00, 11 May 2008 (UTC)
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	== ] apparently violating move probation ==
			] (]) is wishing you a ] ]! This greeting (and season) promotes ] and hopefully this note has made your day a little better. Spread the WikiLove by wishing another user a ], whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past, a good friend, or just some random person. Happy New Year!
	] is continuing his incessant attempts to create confusing article, DABS,, etc and proposing a stream of confusing merges, moves etc, plus the usual disruptions of talk pages trying to force his unusual ideas through. In any case, he seems to be violating the move probation ] <sup>'']''</sup> 00:33, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
	:Certainly, it doesn't inspire confidence. I'm willing to overlook moves of entries where he is the only contributor (still, he should have asked). ] 00:47, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
	::I haven't Moved anything. What are you talking about? The only restriction you gave me was - don't Move! What have I Moved? Oh - you mean rename my own Article? Is that it? --] (]) 00:52, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
	:::There is no ] — a ]. You should have cleared it with me first. ] 00:57, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
	:::: Of course. I understand that. However, there was no one working on it yet. Do you mean that if I make a mistake in the name of a stub I create, I cannot change it any more? --] (]) 01:00, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
	:::::Moving to fix a typo, etc., is not the same as changing the title of an article, '''', while ] is taking place. ] 01:25, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
			''Spread the cheer by adding {{tls|Xmas5}} to their talk page with a friendly message.''
	== {{User|WikiSkeptic}}'s extreme incivility ==
			</div></div> ] (]) 08:50, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
			:Thanks for the well wishing and a Merry Christmas to you too! ] 04:18, 26 December 2024 (UTC)
	I need your attention on {{User|WikiSkeptic}}'s incivility and personal attacks toward other editors. I first noticed him for his personal attack comment pointing at me at the talk page of the indefinitely banned user's ] case which I filed.] Then he suddenly appeared to take interests in Japan-Korea related articles which I also edited earlier and has been also on my watchlist. I also noticed that he also attacked {{User|Flying tiger}} not only at edit summaries of articles and at other user's page. This user has been warned for his extreme incivility and personal attacks. So I need admin's attention. Thanks.--] (]) 17:59, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
	:I'm on it. ] 21:29, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
	::Thank you for the caring. I had to report the case at ANI for seeking an immediate action after I reported here to you and found that he searched for his help from admins and an editor who is not related to his case. I really appreciate your time and effort.--] (]) 21:38, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
			== RFP ==
	== ] ==
			Hello! I updated an RFP nominee ] which you declined at the time with some comments. But I'd like to ask if it would be necessary to move them under a new filing? ] (]) 10:04, 26 December 2024 (UTC)
	Can you help me with the move below?
			:No, it's okay, I got to it in time (before the request got archived), so all good. Thanks. ] 12:10, 26 December 2024 (UTC)
	*''' ] → ]''' - The reasons are obvious. --] (]) 02:53, 13 May 2008 (UTC)
			== I need your help mate ==
	::Before moving the article, please see ]. Thank you. — ]&nbsp;(]&nbsp;'''·''' ]) 03:52, 13 May 2008 (UTC)
			Hi, my former account on Misplaced Pages has been banned so i started editing with this IP. Recently you blocked ] page. Im using SOHR as a neutral source. Can you please remove that blockade i can't edit, thanks. ] (]) 18:16, 26 December 2024 (UTC)
	:::Revised request: '''] → ]'''. You are certainly welcome to examine my talk page. --] (]) 04:10, 13 May 2008 (UTC)
			:Hello. While I appreciate you being honest about that, you can't be ], in general. So you'd need to sort that out at the original account's talk page with an ] or an ] appeal (which ever's applicable for you in this instance). And needless to say, watch out for any excesses, especially ones of an ethno-national nature. HTH. Thank you. ] 18:56, 26 December 2024 (UTC)
			== Requesting reduction of protection on ] ==
	:This is not ], and anyway, this article seem redundant, a duplicate — unless it's is used to as an ] vehicle to promote your ''World Without Jews'' title. ] 21:23, 13 May 2008 (UTC)
	== ] ==
	I'm extremely surprised you have not expressed yourself on the current issue of the "t"'s in the above article! Are you for, or against the Move: '''... T ...''' → ''' t '''? --] (]) 09:48, 13 May 2008 (UTC)
	:Why are you still adding (]) edits that have been reverting over and over again? This is becoming highly disruptive. I have not expressed myself about the T vs. t because I have no opinion, or much interest, about the matter. ] 21:23, 13 May 2008 (UTC)
			Page was protected 6 years ago due to sockpuppetry, probably safe to reduce to semi or remove protection altogether ] (]) 00:12, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
	== Invasion of Goa ==
			:Sounds like a bad idea. There's an active LTA currently targeting Whopper-related articles — see the page history of ], for example. <span style="padding:2px 5px;border-radius:5px;font-family:Arial black;white-space:nowrap;vertical-align:-1px">] <span style=color:red>F</span> ]</span> 22:29, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
	You just deleted ] to make room for a move. Note that there is extensive history underneath, which was cut and paste moved to the current article I believe. ] (]) 09:57, 14 May 2008 (UTC)
			::I don’t know what’s so controversial about a whopper…. ] (]) 02:04, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
	:No problem, I restored it. Thanks. ] 10:05, 14 May 2008 (UTC)
	== Block of Ludvikus ==		== January music ==
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	Curious: Was there a specific reason you chose 2 years? Or just that it was "more than 6 months"? - ] 10:18, 14 May 2008 (UTC)
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	:No, no specific reason. Something along those (latter) lines. ] 10:22, 14 May 2008 (UTC)
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			Happy new year 2025, opened with ] that first sounded OTD in 1725 (as the Main page has). -- ] (]) 16:02, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
			], my ] 300 years after the first performance, is up for GAN. ] will be my story tomorrow. --] (]) 21:14, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
	::Oh, ok.
	::I was going to suggest that it either be a single year or indef, deferring to your experience of the editor in question. 2 years seems like a bit of a jump.
	::But thinking about it now, (and since I'm somewhat "late-to-the-game"), I think I'll just directly defer to your experience : )
	::Please feel free to let me know of any noteworthy further developments. - ] 10:31, 14 May 2008 (UTC)
			My ] is about a composer who influenced music history also by writing. Did you watch Masilo talk and dance? --] (]) 09:55, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
	:::Thanks. Certainly, I will keep you updated. ] 10:33, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

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If you have the capacity to tremble with indignation every time that an injustice is committed in the world, then we are comrades. – Che.

Archived Discussions

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For you

El C, contrary to your edit summary- I noticed you were gone, and missed seeing you on recent changes. You are one of my favourite editors. This is for you. Regards, dvdrw 04:34, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

Yay! Many chipthanks for the kind words. Greatly appreciated. Best, El_C 06:49, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

Well I noticed and missed you! (Official circular here). Novickas (talk) 12:40, 30 September 2008 (UTC) Thought of you while uploading this picture ... for all of your work. Novickas (talk) 17:35, 14 October 2008 (UTC)

Many thanks! El_C 11:27, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

I'm sort of in a hole and am having difficulties submerging. Speaking of holes/that chippie, I got to do some visiting in its burro recently...

Later, adding even more festive decorations, and inspected the whiskers:

And some drinky-drinky as well as rubbing under chin:

Also, two days ago I got to rub a cheekadee's tummy(!); for a handsome reward, of course:

Love, El_C 11:27, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

You look really good in your purple hat! Bishonen | talk 00:19, 4 November 2008 (UTC).

Free hat! Today, while cheekadeepetting, this lady who saw us from a far, came over and said: "Can I tell you something...? You're an angel of God."(!) To which I of course replied: "All hail Atheismo!" I took an especially neat cheekadeepetting photograph today: it remained visible between my thumb and index as it flew away, giving the illusion it was bee-sized! What an unexpected, and sweet, effect! El_C 02:48, 5 November 2008 (UTC)

Wow, Capitano, where do you get a large enough sweater for a person with that hand? Bishonen | talk 20:18, 5 November 2008 (UTC).

And then there's Skunky! El_C 14:00, 24 December 2008 (UTC)

Oooo. Purdy!

Combine obvious love of animals with photography results in photographic win! — Coren  15:09, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

Thanks! Great to learn that peoples (plural!) like! Chickadee says hi! El_C 14:00, 24 December 2008 (UTC)

Seasons Greetings

Hello. Thanks, SqueakBox 23:14, 24 December 2008 (UTC)

Thx, everyone! Happy 2009! El_C 12:55, 1 January 2009 (UTC)

Happy Groundhog Day

Happy day! Jehochman 19:52, 2 February 2009 (UTC)

Chippies

El C, I've been meaning to ask for ages. What is the link between revolutionary socialism and chimpunks? Did I miss that bit in Animal Farm? Is it something to do with resting the means of damn making from beavers? --Joopercoopers (talk) 11:39, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

No link; but are you referring to Groundhog? (see left) There is a Groundhog-Chippie connection, which I was trying to further cultivate (see right). El_C 11:48, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

"Love is in the air ....dooooo .....dooo.dooo ......doooo ......dooo.doooo ." --Joopercoopers (talk) 11:55, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

Well, I'm envious. You get to pet ALL the fuzzeh creatures!  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  01:40, 9 November 2019 (UTC)

Book?

Let me know when it is out, and you will up your sales by one. :-) KillerChihuahua 09:22, 10 September 2012 (UTC)

4Tality Fractal

1. Four Facets of existence: 1. Matter 2. Energy 3. Space 4. Time

2. Four Dimensions: 1. 1D 2. 2D 3. 3D 4. 4D (temporal)

3. Four Fundamental interactions: 1. Strong 2. EM 3. Weak 4. Gravity

4. Four States of matter: 1. Solid 2. Liquid 3. Gas 4. Plasma

El_C 07:19, 2 February 2017 (UTC)

Rev-dels

Just for information at the moment: are you able to do revision deletions? Thanks. - BilCat (talk) 19:47, 16 May 2019 (UTC)

Affirmative. El_C 20:46, 16 May 2019 (UTC)

OK, thanks. There are a couple of admins I usually contact when I see something that needs to deleted, but unfortunately they let real life interfere with their admin duties. You are online a lot at the same times I am, so it's good to have another person to contact if needed. I generally only ask personally if it's both serious and urgent. - BilCat (talk) 02:29, 17 May 2019 (UTC)

Yes, by all means. If I'm around, please don't hesitate. El_C 02:30, 17 May 2019 (UTC)

Thanks very much. I realize.my wording above presumes you'd be willing, and that I didn't actually ask, so thanks. :) - BilCat (talk) 04:01, 17 May 2019 (UTC)

Romania

I can live with your highly arbitrary closing summary of the RfC on the Talk page, so I do not want to persuade you to change it. However, you closed other on-going debates as well. Could you open the other debates? Thank you. Borsoka (talk) 05:57, 19 May 2019 (UTC)

Ah, the thanks I get! El_C 05:58, 19 May 2019 (UTC)

And all I got was a ^^^

• Talk:And Then There Were None#RfC: And Then There Were None and racial language
• Misplaced Pages talk:WikiProject Politics#Request for comments on the 'political position' parameter of the political party infobox
• Talk:Romania#RfC
• Misplaced Pages:Reliable sources/Noticeboard#RfC: HispanTV
• Misplaced Pages talk:Requests for adminship#Is RfX a vote, or a consensus discussion? (RfC)
• Talk:Civil Rights Act of 1968#Merger of Fair Housing Act and Indian Civil Rights Act of 1968 into this article
• Talk:WikiLeaks#RFC: Murder Of Seth Rich content dispute
• Talk:Athens News#Request for comment
• Talk:SNC-Lavalin affair#RfC: LavScam
• Talk:Christchurch mosque shootings#RfC: Change "white supremacist" to "white nationalist"

El_C 06:06, 19 May 2019 (UTC)

Precious anniversary

Precious

Three years!

--Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:11, 23 February 2020 (UTC)

Nice. Thanks, Gerda! El_C 08:24, 23 February 2020 (UTC)

Thank you. Good day, see? Take music and flowers to your liking ;) - It's great to see your name so often on my watchlist. One area where I often wait for admin action - not now - is WP:ITNN, where we nominate for recent deaths to be shown on th Main page, and often the time between an article found and then is seems long to still call it recent. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:32, 23 February 2020 (UTC)

Ah, good ol' ITNC —where I got no credit for being the first to have  Posted the Corona virus outbreak, but upon (admittedly, perhaps somewhat prematurely) doing the same for the Kirk Douglas RD got a what-the-fuck-barbeque— it's a magical place! El_C 11:28, 23 February 2020 (UTC)

I see, sorry for touching some wound ;) - Same for me: last year, I nominated a great pianist for RD, after I first had create an article which took time, and then carried away to also make it decent, - and by then her death was so long ago that she wasn't mentioned at all. The more woman, and the more foreign, that danger seems imminent, and if I may bother you in case I seee it coming again, that would be great. At present, it's a man, listed 20 Feb (although who knows if that was the day?), and nobody even commented yet, so nothing to be concerned about right now. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:27, 23 February 2020 (UTC)

Hey, by all means, if you feel Peter Dreher is , let me know so I could do the honours. El_C 12:53, 23 February 2020 (UTC)

I nominated him, so am not the most independent to judge ;) - and I'm already busy with the next, a woman, but mostly not foreign. - I really think we have some unintended bias there: the most prominent figures (white U.S. males) get speedy attention, and appear soon at the top position, while the female foreigners - often reported late to start with - take so long to even be noticed that they get only a place towards the end, finally, - as long as we go by date of death and not "in at the top". Result: those who are promminent already get preferred showing, more in front, and longer. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:04, 23 February 2020 (UTC)

Indeed, countering systemic bias is a treacherous mistress — though in the case of Kirk Douglas, I have to admit my own affinity for his admirable work countering the Hollywood blacklist... Anyway, +Peter Dreher to RD. El_C 13:16, 23 February 2020 (UTC)

February flowers

Alte Liebe

Thank you, love-ly! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:42, 24 February 2020 (UTC)

I nominated the poet for ITNN. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:36, 24 February 2020 (UTC)

At the ! El_C 14:48, 24 February 2020 (UTC)

and posted ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:28, 24 February 2020 (UTC)

That was quick! I helped? El_C 17:33, 24 February 2020 (UTC)

think so ;) - today's Alte Liebe became especially meaningful after yesterday's funeral. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:21, 28 February 2020 (UTC)

Next foreign women RD: Odile Pierre. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:12, 2 March 2020 (UTC)

@Gerda Arendt: sorry for the belated response — I overlooked your last message. Apologies for not being able to assist with that one. Please don't hesitate to list more. I'll try to be more cognizant of this thread next time, I promise. El_C 03:28, 8 March 2020 (UTC)

Gerda's corner

To help me better remember! El_C 05:10, 8 March 2020 (UTC)

Gerda’s corner is lovely. When I have more time in my life and can do things beyond blocking socks, I plan to spend time there getting some of the Holy Thursday hymns on the main page. Gerda, if it’s not too late to find one, let me know. The Pange Lingua is always a first choice, but if there are any others you can think of, I’m open. TonyBallioni (talk) 05:26, 8 March 2020 (UTC)

Also, El C’s talk page is lovely, especially for his hosting my musing about music he likely doesn’t care about one iota! TonyBallioni (talk) 05:28, 8 March 2020 (UTC)

Actually, I like all kinds of music, including of the eclectic and esoteric variaty — lately I've been Dimashing it up (special thanks goes to Jasmin Ariane!). El_C 05:32, 8 March 2020 (UTC)

Lovely corner, thank you! Today is The day of music, two choirs singing. I'd like Beati improved - but it's in the evensong, perhaps I'll get to a few more lines. On IWD, I should also get Elinor Ross in better shape ... - but singing comes first. Listen to Beati by voces8, another article needing improvement. Singing comes first ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:41, 8 March 2020 (UTC)

On the ITNN page, 6 Mar, Carsten Bresch. We will possibly never know when he died, but should use 6 - when the world was informed - as the day by which we go. I may be alone with that view ;) - Lovely lively colours! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:24, 8 March 2020 (UTC)

Expect the sky to fall at ITNC — posted with Mar 0? (!). El_C 13:34, 8 March 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for posting, and I added "Posted", but don't want to pass credits. DYK you know that it is as easy as clicking on the words "credit" in the nom? Nice progress on the soprano, but out for singing (alto), second round. A good source for her death would be a nice addition, anyone. this is all Spanish to me, and the English one is a blog. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:04, 8 March 2020 (UTC)

nom done, and the credits were done by someone else - bedtime --Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:19, 8 March 2020 (UTC)

Sleep tight. El_C 23:27, 8 March 2020 (UTC)

done also, and she's there - today's topic seem to be errors (3) in the OTD section of the Main page. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:28, 9 March 2020 (UTC)

Amakuru took care of that! - What should I do about this decline? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:58, 9 March 2020 (UTC)

If you're confident it's good, I would move it to main namespace nonetheless. El_C 10:07, 9 March 2020 (UTC)

How about you? - I asked the decliner for reasoning, but got no answer. I think it might be better if it's not a personal thing between them and me, so an independent pair of eyes might help. - I don't go via AfC, nor does my friend LouisAlain, but last year many of his translations were sent to draft space, for lack of refs, just because de and fr have different ideas about referencing. I try to rescue, that's all. Then get a ridiculous template on my talk recommending the Teahouse, and still see the ridiculous decline template recommending to seek help from an experienced editor, - the things we do to voluntary contributors ... --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:31, 9 March 2020 (UTC)

 Done. Mainspacified. And I didn't even visit the Teahouse! El_C 13:37, 9 March 2020 (UTC)

pacified ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:26, 9 March 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for tagging me, El_C! Concerning Dimash: Oh wow, I really didn't expect that! But I'm happy you enjoy it! It's funny, it's not even a genre I usually listen to. But the first time I heard him 2 years ago, I immediately loved his music. I love his voice, his emotional interpretation; and his vocal skill, range and versatility are just enormous. And he seems to be a very nice and humble guy, which makes it even easier to like him. PS: "eclectic and esoteric variety"? Wow, that sounds interesting. Jasmin Ariane (talk) 21:55, 9 March 2020 (UTC)

♫ Welcome to the corner, Jasmin! Yes, I love Dimash's Sinful Passion, New Wave, SOS d'un terrien en détresse, Ogni Pietra (Olimpico), Opera 2, and more. Indeed, music-wise, I'm all over the place. Yesterday, I was listening to the Mahavishnu Orchestra, I'm listening to Charlie Byrd right now (because I love bossa nova, above all else), and I'm listening to the China Philharmonic Orchestra in the car currently. So, yeah, all over the place. Welcome, again! ♫ El_C 16:47, 10 March 2020 (UTC)

Gerda's February corner

Hellebore

Want a drink in darkness? - Schloss Freudenberg --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:38, 3 February 2021 (UTC)

Somehow, I don't really see that concept spreading to other bars... Back to out previous conversation, somewhat, a different kind of Green: "MARJORIE TAYLOR GREENE - A Randy Rainbow Song Parody" (just released). El_C 14:51, 3 February 2021 (UTC)

I missed Mathsci for two years. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:14, 3 February 2021 (UTC)

Criss-crossing paths... El_C 15:16, 3 February 2021 (UTC)

BWV 1, concertante violin 1 --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:19, 3 February 2021 (UTC)

That's right, I remember seeing that. El_C 15:24, 3 February 2021 (UTC)

Did you ever click on Reformation on my user page, first occurence? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:02, 3 February 2021 (UTC)

Yes, I have clicked on all of the (longstanding) links on your userpage. El_C 16:08, 3 February 2021 (UTC)

I am impressed. ... and follow to what the first 2 had discussed, and used, and then one of them needed it, and probably had known that all the time? ... which was my user page lead until 2021 when I decided people hovering over my name should see a pic I took. The last time I used it was for Cassianto, 24 May 2020. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:51, 3 February 2021 (UTC)

Sure, but otherwise, your userpage isn't easy to parse, due to the fact that you actually use it. I edit mine like once a decade. El_C 18:00, 3 February 2021 (UTC)

I copied that from BarkingMoon including the top icon - a bird on the Main page today --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:07, 3 February 2021 (UTC)

Love it when the Main page gets that much colour. I noticed that article yesterday and thought: wow, those birds are almost as iridescent as Hummingbirds , which are... well, kinda the best! El_C 18:18, 3 February 2021 (UTC)

yes --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:25, 3 February 2021 (UTC)

Opa is now on the Main page, Wilhelm Knabe, who stood up for future with the striking school children when he was in his 90s, - a model, - see here. - Further down on the page, there are conversations about the current arb case request - I feel I have to stay away - in a nutshell: "... will not improve kindness, nor any article". - Yesterday, I made sure on a hike that the flowers are actually blooming ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:13, 26 February 2021 (UTC)

Yay for Green Opa! This made my day! El_C 16:24, 26 February 2021 (UTC)

Today, we have Doris Stockhausen on her 97th birthday ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:34, 28 February 2021 (UTC)

Till 120! El_C 15:39, 28 February 2021 (UTC)

Birds of a feather

External videos
Bitter-sweet groove (translation unavailable on request!)

Spiel nicht mit den Schmuddelkindern ... anticipated protest --- and listen, not to me, but the music (in the article) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:49, 4 February 2021 (UTC)

... and after the music, please listen to User talk:Nikkimaria --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:39, 4 February 2021 (UTC)

I don't understand. There's a YouTube video at the bottom of the page, but it's just some people talking in German (which I don't-Opa-understand) alongside some German folk music (not my cup of tea). Then, you link to Nikkimaria's talk page as an ill with numbers and stuff, but it still only links to their main user talk page. Quite confusing. El_C 13:48, 4 February 2021 (UTC)

entirely my fault, I thought I had the video in the article, but no, only on the talk of Martinevans123, and when I'm absent-minded, I confuse ill and diff, Nikkimaria. But hurray, I just expanded the soprano, sufficiently I hope. Need fresh air now. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:49, 4 February 2021 (UTC)

Sorry, I didn't really like that song. Didn't dislike it either. Was just kinda meh. Personally, I prefer the Israeli children songs I grew up on, like הילדה הכי יפה בגן, for example. El_C 16:08, 4 February 2021 (UTC)

Mr. Degenhardt would have been delighted! Not a song to be liked, - did you read the quote which I translated (improving on Deeple) per the talk request. Song talk about unpleasant smells, ending with a crime and a corpse swimming ... while the surviving grubby children keep singing that you better don't play with them. - Thanks for yours. Did you read my advice for M? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:33, 4 February 2021 (UTC)

I did not. Quoted where? Also, after Opa, I'm afraid to ask, but what's a "Deeple"? Yes, I saw it. Sound advise, but I'm still concerned that further cognizance will nonetheless be needed in order to avoid utter disaster in the future. El_C 16:45, 4 February 2021 (UTC)

my next mistake, DeepL - as you know everything about me you'll know that I am an infobox warrior who had to be restricted by arbcom to prevent utter disaster in the future. For 2 years I was too proud to appeal. I should have known SBHB's advice in the case, but then we might not have gotten to Beethoven ;) - RfC for Ian Fleming, and I stay away, I stay away, I don't play that game any more - please, be never afraid to ask! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:03, 4 February 2021 (UTC)

Matti Caspi laments about how many songs can even be created, but does so in a song he created (כמה שירים אפשר להמציא בכלל), so there you go. Take that, eternity! El_C 17:13, 4 February 2021 (UTC)

Gerda doesn't lament but enjoys the support by Brian, continued when others called her guilty, - always trying to mediate. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:56, 8 February 2021 (UTC)

Tis the season for bitter-sweet...? Also, trying something (top of section — EEng uncredited mention). El_C 18:45, 8 February 2021 (UTC)

look --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:34, 9 February 2021 (UTC)

did you? - interesting bitter-sweet today --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:35, 9 February 2021 (UTC)

I did in passing, but I just am not in the headspace for riddles today, I'm afraid. But I did like File:Idstein,_Unytsjerke._Oersjoch_ynterieur.jpg. Almost-but-not-quite grand; warm but-not-quite gaudy. Sorry, I haven't heard of that translator before. Did you know her, personally? El_C 23:01, 9 February 2021 (UTC)

Thank you. The church pic - as you will have seen - is in my user infobox for 2021. I don't know the singer personally, but she sang for us several times, Bach's great works (all explained if you follow the link, also (below there) that some like to receive my thanks and appreciation), and she sang recently in cantata services that I pictured (her page). On all these pictures, she is too small for "about her", and my lead is smaller "about me", of course. - I knew nothing about the translator, but she was a red link on Deaths in 2021. The bitter-sweetness is between her and her ex-husband, a novelist with an article who wrote her obit. (They had four children when they were divorced, and now he has ten.) - The delegate called me to task for the Bach cantata, so I will have to not follow spontaneous impulses for a few days, - hope no one dies whose article has to be written. In the cantata, BWV 1, I have a problem. The article was all built on one source (and all other Bach cantatas at the time also, btw) which one user denies reliability. I wanted to keep it, supporting it for all facts - only recordings, anyway - by a second source, trying to be faithful to the article history and to retain what editors did before me. He removed it. Quite generally, I have a problem with expansions which ignore what former editors achieved, see BWV 53 and Ian Fleming for recently mentioned examples. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:42, 10 February 2021 (UTC)

Ah, just read that at: https://www.theguardian.com/society/2021/feb/08/dr-vera-wulfing-leckie-obituary — I see what you mean. Right, I knew it (the church) looked familiar. Hope you're able to resolve your BWV 1 problem. I'd offer to help, but I'd probably just mess it up, anyway. El_C 16:55, 10 February 2021 (UTC)

You will not mess anything up if you look at the old ref and tell me if it looks despicable to you, just for curiosity. The article was like this when I began "taking over". - Did you see this trying to revert a takeover? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:36, 10 February 2021 (UTC)

It does not look "despicable" to me, but I am far from an authority. This is not an area with which I am familiar. El_C 18:08, 10 February 2021 (UTC)

Thank you, helped. I just found this (having searched for Thomanerchor) and look what is bolded, and praised. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:08, 10 February 2021 (UTC)

Helleborus orientalis

happy Valentine's! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:14, 14 February 2021 (UTC)

Thanks, for you, too. Did an English translation of a song at User_talk:El_C#Us, btw, and am about to submit another ("US," itself), so check it out! El_C 16:23, 14 February 2021 (UTC)

adding today's featured picture of February 17 - a nice match to my wild one --Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:23, 19 February 2021 (UTC)

Lovely, lovely! El_C 23:24, 19 February 2021 (UTC)

Request to put 2021 storming of the United States Capitol under WP:1RR

@El C: @Octoberwoodland: Continuing this discussion, I'd like to request that 2021 storming of the United States Capitol be put under WP:1RR (I guess that would be Template:American politics AE?). How do I make such a request? Post to WP:AN? Or can an admin (i.e. you :-)) do that without a formal request? — Chrisahn (talk) 23:59, 9 February 2021 (UTC)

Chrisahn, right, you ask me, here, like so. But can you show that there is a lot of protracted edit warring going on? Because I'm wary of throttling a page that sees that much activity. Not sure why you pinged Octoberwoodland here. They are not an admin, so they do not have the authority to grant your request. El_C 00:09, 10 February 2021 (UTC)

No, there hasn't been much edit warring. Just like Octoberwoodland, I thought the page was already under 1RR, and I thought it would be useful. But if you'd rather not do it yet, that's fine with me as well. If problems do arise, I'll come back here. But I hope it won't be necessary. :-) (The ping was just because Octoberwoodland started the discussion at Alalch Emis's talk page and might want to chime in here.) — Chrisahn (talk) 00:21, 10 February 2021 (UTC)

Just understood that moments ago (the ping). Anyway, in general, restrictions are added by need only. The general consensus among admins is to wait and see, and only if needed add 1RR. And if that isn't enough, only then move on to additional enhancements, like Consensus required (i.e. gradual escalation). Regards, El_C 00:28, 10 February 2021 (UTC)

Thanks for the explanation! These processes are more fine-grained than I thought. Probably a good thing. Although I'm afraid I won't remember the difference between {{ds/editnotice}} and {{ds/talk notice}} a week from now. :-) — Chrisahn (talk) 00:54, 10 February 2021 (UTC)

I just type T:DSA (all listed at the bottom), otherwise, who can remember! El_C 00:56, 10 February 2021 (UTC)

It is time I knew more about do's and don'ts applicable to infoboxes. Could you let me have the link to any WP that applies to Infoboxes as such? Qexigator (talk) 17:52, 10 February 2021 (UTC)

Sorry, I'm far from an authority on infoboxes, Qexigator, so short of pointing you to the MOS:INFOBOX-obvious, I would just advise you to avoid WP:ARBINFOBOX2 at all cost! Regards, El_C 18:13, 10 February 2021 (UTC)

Some users get hot about infoboxes, while for others it's the normal thing to have. Before adding an infobox to an article without one, check for warnings in edit mode, and for discussions on the talk page. Recent example Ian Fleming, nonono. Those who made the article as nice as it is today don't like it. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:23, 10 February 2021 (UTC)

Haha! See what I mean, Qexigator? *Pokes Gerda* El_C 18:25, 10 February 2021 (UTC)

Thanks for the link to MOS:INFOBOX. This comfirms my experience when I have been looking at or editing other well-established articles on impottant topics: the infobox is 'to summarize (and not supplant) key facts that appear in the article (an article should remain complete with its summary infobox ignored,,,The less information it contains, the more effectively it serves that purpose, allowing readers to identify key facts at a glance,' If well done, they can be very helpful when needed.' Qexigator (talk) 18:44, 10 February 2021 (UTC)

My favourite is Beethoven. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:05, 10 February 2021 (UTC)

The unquestionable elegance of less is more. El_C 19:08, 10 February 2021 (UTC)

I am so proud of that ;) - Did you know that I designed it in the workshop of Teh Case ("Actually, I believe almost every article would profit from a placement like that in history and geography.")? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:01, 10 February 2021 (UTC)

Us

User:El C/Songs from the homeland (YouTube links to individual performances are at the top of the subpage, in boldface)

"You See Far, You See Clear"

"Us"

"I Want Us To Be Realized"

"Didn't Know You'd Walk Away From Me"

"You Put My Hand In Yours"

"A Place Of Worry"

What Is Love?

"How Is It That A Star"

"A Love Song (Like A Wheel)"

"Sitting On The Fence"

"Fragile"

"In Praise Of Samba"

"Where Are You?"

"Poogy Tales"

"Tell Me"

"There Were Nights"

"It Happens"

"Drawing"

"Yes, It Has No Chance, But Between Myself And I Everything Is Allowed"

Last updated: El_C 09:05, 28 February 2021 (UTC)

Gerda loves subsections!

Thanks for sharing! Reminds me of my one and only contrib to the Hebrew Misplaced Pages. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:17, 11 February 2021 (UTC)

I would have liked to add the pic to context, but can't tell ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:46, 11 February 2021 (UTC)

Are you referring to he:קובץ:Ubud_Cremation_4.jpg, because that is one scary dragon! El_C 08:51, 11 February 2021 (UTC)

yes ;) - that pic was taken by my much-missed friend who made the good version for Ian Fleming, and my illustration for the infobox wars (see the link to the workshop, and in my 2020 talk archive). - On the other topic, Bach, we have now another ANI, by Smerus, Nikkimaria is fighting, I shake my head and try to look away, and Mathsci is still blocked. How many more editors in good standing are going to be burnt? - I like the singers music, but the images best when I see him, not graphics. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:54, 11 February 2021 (UTC)

Haha! All roads lead to Ian Fleming, it seems. Also, you're making me sound like the grim reaper, but I just want to pet a chipmunk! El_C 11:03, 11 February 2021 (UTC)

"making you sound"? I just tremble with indignation - out for the day --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:07, 11 February 2021 (UTC)

That's the second time today where I've had Che quoted back at me — looks like it's gonna be one of those days... Enjoy your outing! El_C 11:13, 11 February 2021 (UTC)

Innisfree Garden

Back from sun and snow: sorry if that landed wrong. I was a bit in a rush, and reacted to "all roads lead to IF". I don't care about IF, at all, the number of my edits to his article is zero, the number of my edits to the talk page is zero. I had not thought of him in years until the ongoing RfC, and my edits will remain zero. I use his name as an example, because - with the RfC going - I can mention it, otherwise if I mentioned a name from the group someone would come and cry "canvassing".

I thought about the animosity, and what I can trace back (because I really don't understand it), and looked at what I wrote about Ian Fleming on the page deleted as a call to battle. I made a note of the name, that it was infobox person (red background indicating that it was lost) and the above-mentioned diff of a good version from 2012 piped to the date. That's all. I had forgotten until I looked it up now that my friend had made the good version. When we lost him (later that year) I spread the image all over the Wikipedias, even Hebrew (with some help from a friend from Jerusalem). My first reaction had been to leave, but then I didn't want to do his enemies that favour ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:30, 11 February 2021 (UTC)

Ooh, that is some lovley greenery. So nice. Also, you can CANVASS me any day, Gerda, but should probably note my propensity to call (!)voter fraud whenever things don't go my way (diff). Anyway, trying to take it easy today, with the occasional bouts of critical drinking. El_C 19:28, 11 February 2021 (UTC)

Fine, easy today, will explain "canvass" some other day, also why I think the animosity is inherited, because the listing described really doesn't explain it, - although I can see (now) that the red background - about as red as your top image - could be seen as inflammatory. But a reason to leave Misplaced Pages? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:17, 11 February 2021 (UTC)

Easier today, with progress on BWV 1. Back to the beginning, Hebrew: we miss Yoninah, terribly, and one of the many things she would have done for me is adding the text of a psalm to the article, compare Psalm 45 and Psalm 43. The text can be found at the bottom, in External links. I could probably manage but would feel safer if someone did it who could actually read it. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:44, 12 February 2021 (UTC)

 Done. Oh, good, glad to hear it. Yup, I well know Yoninah for her top-tier contributions. I wouldn't count our losses yet, though. She's only been gone less than a month. Hopefully, she'll return soon. *Sending positive vibes* El_C 11:01, 12 February 2021 (UTC)

Haha! Dangerous terrain (diff), who would have thunk it? (Seriously, I didn't.) El_C 11:07, 12 February 2021 (UTC)

Hmm. I confess to being puzzled (diff). Anyway, pinged you to User_talk:Veverve#Psalm_43_query. Hopefully, my confusion can be assuaged. El_C 11:32, 12 February 2021 (UTC)

did it? (I had an edit conflict there) - thank you for a new word, "assuaged" --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:37, 12 February 2021 (UTC)

See the trouble you get me into? Now to ameliorate! El_C 11:39, 12 February 2021 (UTC)

going out again, sun and snow, will think about amelioration when walking --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:03, 12 February 2021 (UTC)

Obligatory Here Comes Sunshine spam! El_C 12:27, 12 February 2021 (UTC)

refreshed: spam for spam (subject of my first article, which was supposed to be the only one, but it had this red link ...) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:36, 12 February 2021 (UTC)

Very nice, but I still think I'm owed some Psalms-related comforting! El_C 20:38, 12 February 2021 (UTC)

"no good thing will he withhold from them that walk uprightly" --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:48, 12 February 2021 (UTC)

Thanks, I like that a lot! El_C 20:49, 12 February 2021 (UTC)

Sadly: more work for you, in her memory. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:02, 17 March 2021 (UTC)

Guess what, BWV 1 and BWV 159 make progress. You mentioned AE. I was there, last 2015. It was so awful that I dropped all pride (and it felt like giving up walking uprightly - watch out for Psalm 110 there) and appealed (and even successfully so). Starlight on top of that archive ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:01, 15 February 2021 (UTC)

I'll take some startlight — been flying too close to the sun lately, truth be told. El_C 18:34, 16 February 2021 (UTC)

You are welcome! I made a hook, also for you.

Did you know ...

... that Universalkünstler
Arik Brauer
created paintings in Fantastic Realism,
songs in Austropop,
stage sets for the Paris Opera,
and house facades in Austria and Israel?

(17 February 2021)

One this day nine years ago, I told Voceditenore that she is a voice of opera and reason. In 2018, she said: "And, no, there haven't been infobox squabbles in ages. I personally use them all the time now for biographies and operas. There are a few diehards left, but the general attitude from both perspectives seems to have settled on live and let live." So why is it that some still can't settle on live and let live? - The next cookbook author is scheluded to appear as TFA (with a nice infobox btw, as the last), and I will keep the usual thanks to the creator for myself as insistent, but I don't understand. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:54, 17 February 2021 (UTC)

Love the artwork of Arik Brauer — nicely done! Ah, the vicissitudes of infoboxen, its ebbs and and flow. What a peculiar thing it is. El_C 14:55, 17 February 2021 (UTC)

No, it doesn't. It could just ebb. In 2018, it was no concern. Why is it now? Why can't we just edit the little boxes as other content: someone adds, and if someone reverts, consensus needs to be established. Instead, someone adding, or requesting, or just asking where it went, is considered a warrior. The question where it went often goes like this: when a certain group of editors expanded an article, they collapsed it (thinking that was a compromise, but making life harder for those having physical trouble to click the "show" button). That caused a little edit-war, which was "resolved" by taking it away completely, with a discussion like this on the talk following. Ever since, we have been reminded that there was this consensus not to have one, and we are supposed to believe that. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:10, 17 February 2021 (UTC)

For sure, I am like-minded with you in that interpretation. WP:ONUS should generally be observed, like elsewhere. Indeed, there really isn't an excuse for not doing so. In theory, per WP:ARBINFOBOX2, WP:ACDS allows admins to just straight-up make it (ONUS) a requirement by adding Consensus required to intractable infobox disputes. My sense is that most admins just do not want to touch these because it usually ends up amounting to a zero-sum game, at best — myself, I don't really engage infobox disputes in an AE capacity, because the history and politics AE topic areas keep me busy enough (diff). El_C 16:19, 17 February 2021 (UTC)

There are almost no "intractable infobox disputes", really, so DS serves no purpose. The problem is that a newcomer who has no idea of a minefield is treated as a warrior. - I love your translations. We should have more us. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:36, 17 February 2021 (UTC)

Ah, understood. Admittedly, I do not have a firm grasp of what's happening on the infobox front. RE: translations. Many thanks! I appreciate your praise very much. Also Val's. Strange how it took me hours and hours to do the first one, an hour to do the second one, and 30 minutes to do the third one. But I think I'm now finally satisfied with the final form of all three translations, so at least I'm done with the constant tinkering (though not to jinx it!). El_C 16:57, 17 February 2021 (UTC)

For more understanding: imagine - if you can, it takes courage - for a moment that back in 2012, the infobox had been kept as it had been for years then already. Imagine. - Certainly thanks to presentation here, Arik Brauer made it to the stats, DYK? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:48, 18 February 2021 (UTC)

Play Bach

How do you like this? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:46, 19 February 2021 (UTC)

Enjoy the music, and make it last. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:18, 19 February 2021 (UTC)

(As) I always do, Gerda! Yours always, El_C 12:00, 19 February 2021 (UTC)

Great music offer! - What do you think of the start of Reception, - the little prince never gives up a question. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:14, 19 February 2021 (UTC)

Not usually a fan of princes, but here's one that really did music-it-up! El_C 12:17, 19 February 2021 (UTC)

Agree about Johann Ernst! The Little Prince never gives up a question, "the prince has golden hair, a lovable laugh, and will repeat questions until they are answered". How do you like the beginning of reception? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:50, 19 February 2021 (UTC)

One of my favourite books growing up... Reception looks great to me. I think he did a fine job. Top tier musicology. El_C 16:54, 19 February 2021 (UTC)

I agree, but who is "he"? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:56, 19 February 2021 (UTC)

"You know, that guy — who always wore a shirt." Oh, sorry, did you write that, with him just having merged it? It's a low attention span -day today, so brace yourself! El_C 17:04, 19 February 2021 (UTC)

Nonono, I could never write such a thing (+ I'm not a "he" as the writer is, and yes, the obvious "he" just merged it). Two ways to the answer: you follow the links in the edit summary (better the second), or you look at the new article's talk page. Unless you just guess why I come to you of all people with this question, and may guess right. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:17, 19 February 2021 (UTC)

A riddle — noo! There better not be a math and science test at the end of this! El_C 17:21, 19 February 2021 (UTC)

test? first question in this thread has one (!) link, leading to the initial entry of a new article, with two (but I said better second) links, with the second leading to where an estimated 95% of the content came from. - a fine job, indeed, not my style, but fine. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:51, 19 February 2021 (UTC)

Hoping for a D-. That would be about right. El_C 17:57, 19 February 2021 (UTC)

An unblock would do. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:55, 19 February 2021 (UTC)

Gerda, for reasons which are my own, attending to this dispute, in any administrative capacity, just isn't something I wish to engage at this time. Sorry. El_C 20:42, 19 February 2021 (UTC)

Understand. Appreciation of outstanding work is better. You can tell other admins where the clue is - my lead image until 2021 came, remember? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:06, 19 February 2021 (UTC)

Of course, happy to pass on genuine positive impressions, always. Yes, I do. Breathtaking, primordial. El_C 22:26, 19 February 2021 (UTC)

"at times heavy to carry" (quoting myself still from the same page which also has the model for Precious, did you see? - the cabal of the outcast, - I told Bus stop four years ago, feel like Cassandre) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:06, 19 February 2021 (UTC)

And that's very much okay to express. Also, we can be in diametric opposition about whatever from time to time. That is also okay. El_C 23:20, 19 February 2021 (UTC)

Psalm 12 when you have time - what happened? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:52, 20 February 2022 (UTC)

An edit request by Narky Blert

I have just set up an alternative account, Narky Blert (alt), so that I can edit logged-in until I can regain access to my main account, Narky Blert. (Condensed story - I fell ill in early December, with the result that I was admitted to hospital having being found unconscious after three days. I was discharged after a week, and consider myself recovered. An annoying side-effect was that I broke my PC, and am having trouble in recovering my PWs (that should be possible, but I'm having to rely on third parties).)

To comply with WP:ALTACC, I want to edit User:Narky Blert to add:

{{User alternative account name|Narky Blert (alt)}}

{{-}}

at the top, and

]

at the bottom. However, as a newly-registered user, I cannot. Could I ask you to do this for me?

As a token of good faith, I offer you "Bella ciao" - , which strikes me as right up your street. Narky Blert (alt) (talk) 15:02, 6 February 2022 (UTC)

Holy shit! So sorry to hear that, but glad you're on the mend. For sure, I'll get right on that. Wow, that's nuts. Thanks for the song. Glad to have you back, but take it easy, please! Jeez. El_C 15:10, 6 February 2022 (UTC)

Thanks! I'm feeling better now than I have for months; I must have been building up to that episode which landed me in hospital. Now, if only I could do something about the misbegotten ISP I'm currently on... Narky Blert (alt) (talk) 17:34, 6 February 2022 (UTC)

But you made it, that's the most important thing! I love you, bwo! El_C 17:47, 6 February 2022 (UTC)

Prayer for Ukraine

I took a pic in 2009 that was on the German MP yesterday, with the song from 1885, in English Prayer for Ukraine. - "Our" next psalm is Psalm 92, last week's, yesterday we had Psalm 91 but that - with the guardian angels is already covered, and I added compositions today. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:03, 6 March 2022 (UTC)

Wow, did you take that picture with a Nokia flip phone or something? I can count the pixels! (No NoPixel jokes, please! But yes latest music.) BTW, are you at all familiar with the teachings of Rabbi Nachman? El_C 11:30, 6 March 2022 (UTC)

I don't remember - keep loosing my cameras. It's an excerpt of a larger pic, of course, and from the time when I joined Misplaced Pages. - No, not familiar, will perhaps look when dark. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:42, 6 March 2022 (UTC)

See Nachman_of_Breslov#Teachings. Last bulletpoint: He emphasized importance of music for spiritual development and religious practice. His was probably the most philosophically sophisticated of the Hasidic Movement, now known as the Breslov (Hasidic group). Their Rosh Hashana kibbutz (annual pilgrimage to Uman, Ukraine) is a pretty big deal in both Israel and Ukraine. El_C 11:59, 6 March 2022 (UTC)

Sounds interesting, but was too busy yesterday. IWD today, so I decorated my talk showing two who didn't make it, one from Russia and one from Ukraine. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:59, 8 March 2022 (UTC)

Good stuff. Happy International Women's Day! El_C 18:51, 8 March 2022 (UTC)

Thank you! Wrote the translation of Anna Korsun to German, and began Zofia Kilanowicz, for the occasion. Sang an extra song for peace in rehearsal. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:11, 8 March 2022 (UTC)

March songs

I listened to the charity concert mentioned here (on radio, it was soon sold out), and created the articles of the composer and the soprano. Alto to follow today. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:10, 11 March 2022 (UTC)

Do you think you could provide Psalm 92 (and then 14)? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:19, 12 March 2022 (UTC)

Nice. It's been a while since my last concert. Those Psalms look dunzo'd. El_C 03:03, 14 March 2022 (UTC)

How to listen? El_C 05:09, 14 March 2022 (UTC)

To that concert? I don't know, there was a lot of recording going on, but I don't know if for the public. - To Prayer for Ukraine? - see article. To the Frankfurt concert? - composer on the Main page now! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:33, 14 March 2022 (UTC)

sorry about not having looked "down" enough for the psalms - yesterday was 27, also "dun". --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:35, 14 March 2022 (UTC)

DunZO! Yeah, the latest (I'm caught up with the rest), too badzo. El_C 16:33, 14 March 2022 (UTC)

St. Patrick's Day, more music and today's sunset no cow--Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:49, 17 March 2022 (UTC)

Nice sunset, still, though! BTW, we've moved past cows. We're doing sloth wizards now. Catch up with the lore! El_C 04:40, 18 March 2022 (UTC)

on Bach's birthday: the places where I sang his Dona nobis pacem --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:27, 21 March 2022 (UTC)

Happy BachDay! Wow, Evangelische Marktkirche in Wiesbaden looks like an intergalactic spaceship, with pillars. El_C 22:16, 21 March 2022 (UTC)

the place where Reger-Chor performed first --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:20, 21 March 2022 (UTC)

Very cool. It also looks like a spaceship from the outside, but with un-rounded corners. What a twist! El_C 22:26, 21 March 2022 (UTC)

The Prayer is on the Main page, finally + new flowers, and btw: the TFA is a young writer's first --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:01, 23 March 2022 (UTC)

Well done! That deserves flowers (of peace (against all odds)). El_C 12:48, 24 March 2022 (UTC)

Bach's No. 1 today for illumination --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:58, 25 March 2022 (UTC)

Very nice, can't go wrong with the classics (classics). Funk No. 1, for yesterday's exaltation (today). El_C 16:04, 25 March 2022 (UTC)

thank you ;) - back to Psalm 14, it looked done but looking closer, I don't get why Hebrew is shorter, and has a different beginning, and the explanation is that it's not the complete but some sort of difference. Can you check that please? - Prayer for Ukraine: I heard it as "encore" after a live opera performance from Staatsoper Hannover, sung and played with heart by the complete ensemble. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:38, 25 March 2022 (UTC)

Sunday flowers and sounds, don't miss the extraordinary marriage of the beginnings of the theme of Wie schön leuchtet der Morgenstern, BWV 1, and Prayer for Ukraine - here! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:47, 27 March 2022 (UTC)

Like. Congrats! You are a musical editing machine! In answer to your question: some of the Aramaic-derived Hebrew words combine nouns and verbs all in a single word. El_C 14:04, 28 March 2022 (UTC)

thank you, exquisite voice today, heard on 11 March --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:01, 29 March 2022 (UTC)

(unless you already do) please help watching the TFA Operation Mincemeat because the author is not active --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:34, 31 March 2022 (UTC)

I have virtually every major military engagement on my watchlist. But I haven't opened my watchlist in 2022 yet, so there's that. El_C 12:17, 31 March 2022 (UTC)

Not sure if I understand. I look at my watchlist about once per hour. You could just look at editing history every now and then, or do nothing. I wanted to write about an Israeli conductor today but came a feminist - the perfect topic for women's month. Her pic is on the Main page, and I learned a lot expanding. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:12, 31 March 2022 (UTC)

Cool. Also, I love train conductors, too! RE: Watchlist, see: File:77,777.jpeg (btw, I've long surpassed 100K for some reason). El_C 13:17, 31 March 2022 (UTC)

now that's so funny: when I was about to pass 55.555 I decided that this was nonsense and began to reduce one by one, having reached 42k+ - this conductor leads an orchestra, but my grandfather was a train conductor --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:24, 31 March 2022 (UTC)

Could you please do me a favour regarding Psalm 14: do the Hebrew in the normal fashion. What's there is a subset, has no verse numbers, - tricky. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:28, 31 March 2022 (UTC)

Double cool! Also, I definitely agree with you: train, orchestra conductors — basically the same thing, interchangeable. El_C 13:31, 31 March 2022 (UTC)

What, never! El_C 13:31, 31 March 2022 (UTC)

Okay, I did the thing. El_C 13:41, 31 March 2022 (UTC)

Thanks re Myanmar

Hi El C, I know it was a while ago but I want to thank you for your patience with me on the Myanmar articles. I have a tendency to get flustered when coming under attack, so I made some mistakes when that happened with some new editors who happened to be from Myanmar. I have a lot of sympathy for their situation, though. I edit in that area because it's one of the most backwards regimes in the world but that gets very little attention. Anyway, thanks and happy holidays. 25stargeneral (talk) 18:23, 8 December 2023 (UTC)

Sorry for the belated reply, 25stargeneral, and thank you for your kind words, it means a lot. Happy hollidays to you, too! El_C 17:17, 24 December 2023 (UTC)

I'm currently watching the top gear special in Myanmar. Happy Holidays El_C! ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 17:19, 24 December 2023 (UTC)

Happy Holidays to you, as well, my friend! El_C 17:21, 24 December 2023 (UTC)

Hi I am back with a new name! I'm planning on focusing my work going forward more on content creation. I regret being at times insensitive in my approach to other editors in the Myanmar area, so I just wanted to ask, if you happen to notice me editing in a less-than-collaborative way, could you please give me a nudge in the right direction, even if it doesn't rise to anything actionable? I would greatly appreciate it. I will go through the normal channels from now on if there is something that I believe needs admin attention. TEMPO156 (talk) 18:54, 19 March 2024 (UTC)

You've got mail!

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A little bit strange for naive user. -Lemonaka‎ 13:04, 12 December 2023 (UTC)

Merry Christmas!

	A very happy Christmas and New Year to you!
	Have a great Christmas, and may 2024 bring you joy, happiness – and no trolls, vandals or visits from Krampus! Cheers SchroCat (talk) 15:20, 18 December 2023 (UTC)

Many thanks, SchroCat, merry Christmas and happy new year to you too! 🎅 El_C 08:48, 19 December 2023 (UTC)

Norman Lear

Thank you for the page protection, could you please restore the infobox image, the IP changed it right before you set the protection. Thank you, - FlightTime (open channel) 16:51, 19 December 2023 (UTC)

And you reverted 30 minutes prior to that. That's just the luck of the draw. El_C 17:00, 19 December 2023 (UTC)

Thanx for supporting an editwaring IP. - FlightTime (open channel) 17:07, 19 December 2023 (UTC)

As opposed to an edit warring veteran editor? It takes two to edit war, and you do not get supremacy over an IP editor by virtue of being a veteran editor. So you can take your Wrong version complaint and sarcasm elsewhere. El_C 17:13, 19 December 2023 (UTC)

I'm done here, you prob now. - FlightTime (open channel) 17:24, 19 December 2023 (UTC)

Works for me, even though I don't understand what is meant by you prob now (what is a "prob"?). El_C 17:28, 19 December 2023 (UTC)

I have tried to discuss this issue on the talk page, but I am met only with vague responses and rationalizations about why an obscure 1975 photo is somehow more appropriate. Instead user FlightTime seems to be giving off the feeling that he is superior and because "they said so" therefore the old photo must be sealed for eternity.

Are we serving the public on Misplaced Pages or our own interests? What would actually be more recognizable for the general public, a more recent photo of Mr. Lear (of which there are many, again just look at google image results), or a cropped and not easily identifiable one that some users are stubbornly insisting be used? 2604:3D09:6A85:6000:AC47:C232:AFD7:7802 (talk) 18:50, 19 December 2023 (UTC)

I know you tried, IP. If you end up at an impasse on the talk page, you could always try seeking a Third opinion or even a more substantive Request for comment. HTH. El_C 18:54, 19 December 2023 (UTC)

Thank you for your considerate responses. 2604:3D09:6A85:6000:AC47:C232:AFD7:7802 (talk) 19:21, 19 December 2023 (UTC)

What would be the process for Third Opinion or Request for Comment should it come to that? 2604:3D09:6A85:6000:AC47:C232:AFD7:7802 (talk) 19:35, 19 December 2023 (UTC)

I already linked it. El_C 19:46, 19 December 2023 (UTC)

European Economic Area

Hi. The EEA page keeps attracting some unwanted attention for the last month or so. I see that you've protected the page once already. Would it be possible to do it again? Budsalone (talk) 12:23, 23 December 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected for a period of 6 months, after which the page will be automatically unprotected. El_C 16:33, 24 December 2023 (UTC)

Protection Saturday Night Live (season 49)

Looks like you put an extended autoconfirmed protection at Saturday Night Live (season 49) on the ground that it's related to the Arab-Israeli conflict because there was a minor edit war over whether to include the minor point that the role of Elise Stefanik in the Congressional hearing on Anti-semitism was originally given to Cecily Strong. I don't follow the logic.

The edit war had nothing to do with Anti-semitism per se, and absolutely nothing to do with the Arab-Israeli conflict. It should be noted that the article on the hearing in question is not protected at all. Please consider this a request to unprotect the article. Isabela ciao (talk) 17:06, 24 December 2023 (UTC)

Isabela ciao, just because you fail to identify a connection does not make it absolutely this or that; nor am I interested in WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS whataboutism. That said, I'm not inherently opposed to unprotecting in a month or so, so feel free to remind me at that time. El_C 17:14, 24 December 2023 (UTC)

Which Indonesia-related articles that are extended protected?

Are there any Indonesia related articles on Misplaced Pages that are extended-protected? JustYourImaginaryGuy (talk) 01:46, 26 December 2023 (UTC)

I'm not sure, JustYourImaginaryGuy. El_C 12:21, 2 January 2024 (UTC)

2023–24 Canadian network television schedule

Can I get a temporary protection for 2023–24 Canadian network television schedule like was done with 2023–24 United States network television schedule? As the vandalism by 81.25.78.185 is still continuing. Xeditboy (talk) 22:33, 27 December 2023 (UTC)

Sorry, Xeditboy, I don't have time to review this at present, so please feel free direct your request to WP:RFPP/I. El_C 12:19, 2 January 2024 (UTC)

Request for creation-unprotection for the 'Ashton irwin' article

Can you please unprotect the 'Ashton irwin' article (with a lowercase 'i') from creation so I can create a redirect for it to the 'Ashton Irwin' article (with an uppercase 'I')? PK2 (talk) 03:50, 1 January 2024 (UTC)

Done. Downgraded to WP:ECP from WP:FULL. El_C 12:18, 2 January 2024 (UTC)

Restore indefinite semi

Hi, El_C, greetings of the new year! Can you please restore indef-semi at Vikram Sampath? Thanks, TrangaBellam (talk) 12:48, 1 January 2024 (UTC)

Done. And thanks, same to you. El_C 12:17, 2 January 2024 (UTC)

2024

Die Zeit, die Tag und Jahre macht

Happy New Year

2024

Same location pictured as 2019. -- Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:52, 2 January 2024 (UTC)

Thanks, all the best for the coming year. El_C 15:15, 3 January 2024 (UTC)

Thank you! - The 2023 picture is from the Abel Fest in Köthen, celebrating the tercentenary of Carl Friedrich Abel, a viol virtuoso, composer and concert organiser in London (together with Bach's youngest son), born on 22 December 1723 in Köthen, where the new catalogue of his works was introduced, - my story today. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:45, 5 January 2024 (UTC)

New pics, those cows again - click Year and go to bottom. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:43, 9 January 2024 (UTC)

I have a DYK, but my story would be different, about Figaro, - this Figaro. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:04, 12 January 2024 (UTC)

On the Main page: the person who made the pictured festival possible --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:28, 16 January 2024 (UTC)

story · music · places

I remember Ewa Podleś on the Main page, and the performance of Anna Nekhames, the article in which a reviewer found nothing interesting. Yesterday: Shalom chaverim. On vacation, - check places. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:46, 26 January 2024 (UTC)

Nicely done! Thanks for the updates. Hope you enjoy your vacation, and do I even need to say, take lot's of pics? El_C 20:48, 26 January 2024 (UTC)

Thank you, enjoying, taking tons of pictured, 23 chosen for 23 Jan, 6 uploaded, too tired for more - on my talk you see that it's the birthday of Mozart and our conductor ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:57, 27 January 2024 (UTC)

Today a friend's birthday, with related music and a few new vacation pics --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:57, 30 January 2024 (UTC)

Could you please have a look into this?

Hi @El C

A user yesterday has made personal attacks against me aggressively, I brought the issue to the notice of administrators, one user happened to advice the user to strike out their personal comments on me, they still haven't done that. If possible, could you please look into this issue? -Misplaced Pages:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents#Aggressive attacks for starting a discussion on an article's talk page | Removal of template

Thank you :) Thewikizoomer (talk) 09:33, 5 January 2024 (UTC)

Thewikizoomer, it looks like another admin is already attending to it, so I'm not sure what there is for me to do right now... El_C 09:40, 5 January 2024 (UTC)

Ok @El C

I wasn't aware that another admin is attending it.

Thank you for your quick response :) Thewikizoomer (talk) 09:42, 5 January 2024 (UTC)

Sure np, Thewikizoomer. Yeah, you replied to him 3 minutes before posting here. El_C 09:53, 5 January 2024 (UTC)

Hey, long time no chat!

Hi El C! Do you know what's up with Jeremy Dewitte as of late? Outside of his arrest in 2022, I haven't heard anything... :-) ~Oshwah~ 06:13, 7 January 2024 (UTC)

Hey. No, no idea. Maybe he's finally staying outta trouble (unlikely). Good to see you, though. Don't be a stranger! El_C 17:08, 11 January 2024 (UTC)

Follow up on disruptive LTA

A while back I made this post on ANI regarding a long term disruptive user-.

Unfortunately they're back at it again with their trolling and nonsense with two different ranges-this 93.36 range and this 93.32 range. Look at some of his most recent edits- + + . I was hoping these two ranges could also be blocked for persistent vandalism. Southasianhistorian8 (talk) 21:01, 8 January 2024 (UTC)

Hi. I take it this was resolved at ANI...? El_C 17:08, 11 January 2024 (UTC)

Hey, unfortunately the user is back again with a different range. I filed a report at ANI but if you could look into it that would be great-. Southasianhistorian8 (talk) 16:10, 19 January 2024 (UTC)

Southasianhistorian8, sorry, what is the link? El_C 22:18, 24 January 2024 (UTC)

FYI

Hello, El C,

Regarding Indie soul, just a reminder that when you draftify an article from main space to Draft space, the remaining redirect needs to be deleted as a CSD R2. You can either delete it yourself or tag it for speedy deletion and an admin who patrols CSD categories can take care of it.

Thanks and have an awesome weekend! It's going to be frigid here in the Northwest U.S.. Liz 02:58, 13 January 2024 (UTC)

Sorry, I forgot. But will do, thanks for the reminder. Hope you have a great weekend, too, Liz. Keep warm! El_C 03:04, 13 January 2024 (UTC)

Block of ASmallMapleLeaf

I believe this is quite an inappropriate block since blocks are preventative and not punitive. With the specific incivility and personal attacks aside, I don't see a reason for why they would continue to be disruptive outside that specific instance. I would have agreed more if a temporary block was issued at that time instead. What do you think? 0xDeadbeef→∞ (talk to me) 05:22, 13 January 2024 (UTC)

Also, on the 7th edit crux you mentioned at their talk page, I think getting involved in administrative noticeboards while the account is new isn't an issue in and of itself. Well, they aren't new to our WP:P&Gs, but I don't see that as a reason to believe that they would cause further disruption. Though I don't see it as necessary, a namespace block from WP/WT instead of a full indef would have been less BITE-y. 0xDeadbeef→∞ (talk to me) 05:36, 13 January 2024 (UTC)

I disagree. I think that being as abrasive (as presented in the extensive evidence) by seemingly starting an aggressive anti-UNBLOCKABLES mission in one's 7th edit is what's inappropriate. And I continue to challenge that, absent an explanation, it is suspect. But feel free to take to the matter a wider forum. El_C 06:22, 13 January 2024 (UTC)

As well, I believe that your position—presenting this user in the same breath as both new (i.e. BITE-y) and an experienced user (i.e. aren't new to our WP:P&Gs)—is both inconsistent and sets a bad standard. About the conduct and direction from new-not-new users. El_C 06:30, 13 January 2024 (UTC)

A little bit inconsistent, I would agree, but knowing how to cite policies and guidelines doesn't mean they are not a new user. From the comments they have made it doesn't appear to me that they have the same style of argument experienced users make. Perhaps they picked up some of the experienced-isque elements from reading internal discussions and policy pages, but they still appear new to me. 0xDeadbeef→∞ (talk to me) 06:34, 13 January 2024 (UTC)

I've started a discussion at Misplaced Pages:Administrative action review#Block of ASmallMapleLeaf (hopefully that venue isn't dead) 0xDeadbeef→∞ (talk to me) 06:43, 13 January 2024 (UTC)

Copy that. El_C 06:56, 13 January 2024 (UTC)

They've now asked to be unblocked on their talk page. What are your thoughts on it? 0xDeadbeef→∞ (talk to me) 03:22, 18 January 2024 (UTC)

January 2024

This is your only warning; if you constructively do admin tasks again, like you did at Misplaced Pages:Requests for page protection, you may be given a barnstar without further warning. CactiStaccingCrane (talk) 14:46, 13 January 2024 (UTC)

Oops!... I Did It Again. El_C 09:51, 14 January 2024 (UTC)

Overhumility

People whose English is inelegant don't use the word "inelegant". ―Mandruss ☎ 22:46, 24 January 2024 (UTC)

We request the pleasure of your company for a free exchange of ideas. El_C 22:57, 24 January 2024 (UTC)

Homer Simpson: one of history's great philosophers. ―Mandruss ☎ 23:00, 24 January 2024 (UTC)

Re: Billboard Year-End Hot 100 singles of 1961

The two intermediate IP edits from 194.125.77.219 should probably be revdel'd as well, because they currently allow some of the problematic changes to be seen. - Sumanuil. _{(talk to me)} 05:00, 26 January 2024 (UTC)

Got it. Thanks Sumanuil. El_C 05:03, 26 January 2024 (UTC)

Revert Reason

Hi, El_C,

Just wanted to clear it up, the reason I reverted here was not because it wasn't an inline citation, it was because of WP:RSPSIMPLEFLYING where an RfC came to the consensus that SimpleFlying is not a reliable source and should not be used in articles. Just wanted to clear that up.

Thanks! VenFlyer98 (talk) 05:58, 26 January 2024 (UTC)

This was already settled by the time you've written the above, VenFlyer98. Can we move on? El_C 17:51, 26 January 2024 (UTC)

I wasn’t trying to start anything again, I was literally just explaining myself since you initially responded that the source was good and wanted to make sure my reasoning was understood. Was just explaining myself, I already moved on…

Have a good one. VenFlyer98 (talk) 19:11, 26 January 2024 (UTC)

You started by explaining to the IP how to cite inline, so I thought that meant you viewed their source as good. Otherwise why would you open with that and not with: 'sorry, it's a bad source, but if you have a good one, you do is this way'? So, yeah, I missed the second part, WP:RSPSIMPLEFLYING, which probably read like gibberish to me late last night. Coastie43's quoting it in full (with words), Misplaced Pages:Reliable_sources/Perennial_sources#SimpleFlying — that by contrast was immediately readable to me. Anyway, this entire conversation just seems so needless. But no biggie. See ya. El_C 20:09, 26 January 2024 (UTC)

January 2024

There is currently a discussion at Misplaced Pages:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you. SwiftFan2024 (talk) 19:41, 31 January 2024 (UTC)

@SwiftFan2024: left a note there, though that report was already closed. But you could have asked me about it at any time, and I'd have explained why semi was chosen over pc (or any other protection level). Oh well. Well, now you know. El_C 04:33, 1 February 2024 (UTC)

February music

story · music · places

My calendar story today is about Michael Herrmann celebrating his birthday. -- Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:13, 4 February 2024 (UTC)

Today I am happy about a singer on the Main page (at least for the first hours), after TFA the same day last year. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:24, 7 February 2024 (UTC)

Thanks to Seiji Ozawa. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:46, 12 February 2024 (UTC)

I applaud your efforts. Another legend gone. R.I.P. El_C 21:43, 17 February 2024 (UTC)

Thank you. - I put some effort now into the article for Ladislav Burlas, marked ready last day WP:ITNN. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:54, 18 February 2024 (UTC)

Nice, yeah for sure. That page was already  Posted, though. TTYS. El_C 04:08, 19 February 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for trying! - The image, taken on a cemetery last year after the funeral of a distant but dear family member, commemorates today, with thanks for their achievements, four subjects mentioned on the Main page and Vami_IV, a friend here. Listen to music by Tchaikovsky (an article where one of the four is pictured), sung by today's subject (whose performance on stage I enjoyed two days ago). --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:02, 20 February 2024 (UTC)

Listen to music from Ukraine if you like, - I heard it in 2022, and the November concert (at a different church) raised a truckload of winter clothes. My story today is also from my life: I heard the singer in 3 of the 4 mentioned musical items. I sang in yesterday's. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:32, 24 February 2024 (UTC)

Will do, thanks for the recommend. I'm away for a bit, but hopefully will be back in a few weeks. Talk to you then. All the best, El_C 16:25, 26 February 2024 (UTC)

more music and flowers on Rossini's rare birthday --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:08, 29 February 2024 (UTC)

Turkey

Прошу снизить уровень защиты страницы. Making signs (talk) 17:53, 10 February 2024 (UTC)

Ivan Katchanovski's deletion

Deletion review for Ivan Katchanovski

An editor has asked for a deletion review of Ivan Katchanovski. Because you closed the deletion discussion for this page, speedily deleted it, or otherwise were interested in the page, you might want to participate in the deletion review. Alaexis_¿question? 13:11, 17 February 2024 (UTC)

You usually go straight to DRV without discussion, Alaexis? That's a thing that you do? El_C 18:21, 17 February 2024 (UTC)

This is the first deletion review I've initiated in a long time (possibly ever). I didn't notice the instructions which are under the 15-item list of cases in which DRV should and shouldn't be used. Will definitely do this next time. Cheers! Alaexis_¿question? 22:06, 17 February 2024 (UTC)

I see. Please note, though, that this is a general maxim (of WP:CLOSECHALLENGE) that goes beyond the realm of deletion discussions. And it's just common sense, because I could have made the arguments that the two participants have made in the DRV discussion (both endorse) right here, you could have responded, etc. But you never gave such discussion a chance. The reasoning is that I might have convinced you of my position, thus, you could have spared the extra work for the folks at DRV. HTH. El_C 22:14, 17 February 2024 (UTC)

Spam-only accounts, cont'd

Hi El C, a couple of days ago you blocked two spammer accounts that I reported to ANI. Well today they are back again under a new name, 'Bharatbarsha'. Could you have a look at it? Thanks in advance! — AP 499D25 (talk) 13:42, 20 February 2024 (UTC)

Blocked indefinitely. Lucky, you got me right as I'm out the door. TTYS. El_C 13:44, 20 February 2024 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Administrators'_noticeboard/Incidents#"<redacted>""-20240223061600">

The edit summary of CapnJackSps latest 4 reverts might also need to be redacted. Nobody (talk) 06:16, 23 February 2024 (UTC)""> "">

Damn, I thought I got em all. Done. Thank you! El_C 06:20, 23 February 2024 (UTC)

Precious anniversary

Precious

Seven years!

--Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:18, 23 February 2024 (UTC)

About your comment on ANI

I saw your response on ANI. I probably should have clarified, but when I said about bringing your block of Bobak to XRV, I meant you yourself bringing it there if you were concerned it would be against consensus (Which as of now it is not). I am aware my suggestion could have come accross as 'anyone can/should bring it to XRV', which was not what I was attempting to state and definitely not attempting or encouraging others to do so.

I sincerely apologise. ASmallMapleLeaf (talk) 16:28, 23 February 2024 (UTC)

Oh, I see. But no need to apologize, though I appreciate it. It's just a rather obscure venue that is used seldom and not many know about. Take care. El_C 16:36, 23 February 2024 (UTC)

Also, in my pre-coffee state, I might have conflated you with A smart kitten, who was actively involved in that discussion (you were of course the user whose block was being reviewed there at the time) — shh, don't tell anyone! El_C 16:46, 23 February 2024 (UTC)

Apology for reverting good faith edits

@El C You reverted my edits here a while ago, and I did not notice until now. I thought that IP was subtly vandalizing, but I have now just realized that I misread the sentence multiple times and did not realize that IP was trying to fix a grammatical error. I apologize for the foolish edits I made and am sorry for the inconvenience.

Thank you, ItsCheck (talk) 00:27, 26 February 2024 (UTC)

Sure, ItsCheck, but please make sure you learn from this, by double and triple checking your edits, and by treating any given IP editor in good faith until proven otherwise. Because obviously changing "married with two children" into "married to two children" in a biography of a living person is a very serious violation. Thanks for reaching out. El_C 16:22, 26 February 2024 (UTC)

Of course. I thought it was the other way around, so that is why I did it. ItsCheck (talk) 23:33, 26 February 2024 (UTC)

Conflict of interest management: Case opened

Hello El C,

You recently offered a statement in a request for arbitration. The Arbitration Committee has accepted that request for arbitration and an arbitration case has been opened at Misplaced Pages:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Conflict of interest management. Evidence that you wish the arbitrators to consider should be added to the evidence subpage, at Misplaced Pages:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Conflict of interest management/Evidence. Please add your evidence by March 20, 2024, which is when the evidence phase closes. You can also contribute to the case workshop subpage, Misplaced Pages:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Conflict of interest management/Workshop. For a guide to the arbitration process, see Misplaced Pages:Arbitration/Guide to arbitration.

For the Arbitration Committee,
~ ToBeFree (talk) 20:03, 6 March 2024 (UTC)

Question

In regards to your response on my request for page protection how would you recommend I go about initiating a discussion with an IP user who's IP is different every time they edit? skarz (talk) 17:13, 9 March 2024 (UTC)

On the article talk page, which stays the same regardless. El_C 17:53, 9 March 2024 (UTC)

What I'm saying is doesn't it seem pointless to attempt to communicate with an individual who's sole purpose is to return to an account and revert my edit, each time from a different IP? Or perhaps it's a group of people since the IPs are in fact unique? skarz (talk) 18:29, 9 March 2024 (UTC)

I don't know about any of that (not mentioned at the protection request), but what I do know is that the article talk page has not been meaningfully used by anyone since 2016. HTH. El_C 18:52, 9 March 2024 (UTC)

Being Fired Upon Over Contributions

Hi

I could really use your input at ANI: https://en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/Incidents "Editor Lau737 "contributions."

Best regards Lau737 (talk) 11:27, 10 March 2024 (UTC)

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Destiny

See also: User:El C/Songs from new lands, User:El C/Songs from the homeland

A blast from the past! (circa 2002). El_C 08:40, 15 February 2021 (UTC)

Longing for Home (circa 2008). El_C 11:34, 15 February 2021 (UTC)

For when just plain Distractions are afoot. El_C 16:54, 21 February 2021 (UTC)

Spinning over simple things. El_C 08:17, 26 February 2021 (UTC)

Oceanic feeling

Everyone is Everyone (and Everything is Everything). El_C 23:02, 12 March 2021 (UTC)

Lyrics:

(Intro) Somehow I found myself here today Awakened to these thoughts and feelings Or an oceanic sense of lucid dreaming? A strange sort of spherical sensation With an overwhelming sense of apprehension An emptiness that thunders out From beyond the mind's horizon So far beyond our reach Where consciousness coalesces Like the billowing loom of thunder clouds The streaming runs of thought goes 'Round and 'round and 'round Till the dancing funnels of wind touch down And the earth bows down in reverence Lest it should be torn to pieces And blown into oblivi-essence And all who live will run and hide And do what we’ve done since the dawn of time Everyone flees from the cyclone winds of One's own mind But if one day we should stand on the canyon’s edge Peer out through the beating rain, the pounding wind You'll find that everyone is everyone And everything is everything (Verse one) Open up Your hearts and minds 'Cause I remember Nothing One day now It all falls down But love must keep on Loving So start the show Here we go (Chorus) Dark to light The day from night A roll of a mountain A rip in the sky Turning the dust to flesh And ashes to breath A pull of a muscle A pin in the eye An initial spark To get this heart of mine pumping And another To get these feet of mine running But sadly they've just taken me To a place Where all is devoid Of your embrace So baby now we're falling Baby now you're falling Baby yeah, yeah Baby now we're falling, baby yeah Tripping and tumbling Flipping and fumbling Flowing on the rivers of sadness That have been forever rumbling But from dawn until now Of all the paths that I could have gone down Of all the valleys That I could have been flowing through In spite of all the chaos And all that has come between us How is it I still find myself Here with you (Outro) So somehow we find ourselves here today A feeling in this oceanic sense of lucid dreaming A strange sort of spherical sensation An emptiness that thunders out From beyond the mind's horizon And all of us, we run and hide Do what we've done since the dawn of time Peering out through the beating rain The pounding wind Everyone is everyone And everything is everything

Serrado. El_C 23:33, 12 March 2021 (UTC)

Live with Me. El_C 23:52, 12 March 2021 (UTC)

River Man. El_C 00:05, 13 March 2021 (UTC)

Memories of Spain

Tomatito & Michel Camilo (2000)

Hooni (2012)

Olivier Castellat (2010)

Stevie Wonder (2008 live)

Gary Valenciano (2017 vocals)

Chick Corea and Return to Forever (1973 original) / Live performance (date unknown, but laterer)

El_C 23:29, 23 March 2021 (UTC)

Chick and Hiromi my 2p. regards. -Roxy the sycamore. wooF 16:20, 27 March 2021 (UTC)

Resting: a compilation

Flite — El_C 10:06, 29 March 2021 (UTC)

Void — El_C 15:01, 29 March 2021 (UTC)

What Is This — El_C 18:16, 29 March 2021 (UTC)

WhipTail — El_C 10:53, 30 March 2021 (UTC)

Tell Me Where — El_C 10:03, 31 March 2021 (UTC)

Nothing Nice — El_C 22:25, 30 March 2021 (UTC)

Posição — El_C 10:05, 1 April 2021 (UTC)

Quiet Nights — El_C 10:08, 2 April 2021 (UTC)

Feel Free — El_C 02:02, 2 April 2021 (UTC)

Dear Limmertz (Hello, guitar! Hello, Good Waves) — El_C 10:11, 3 April 2021 (UTC)

Que Se Sepa — El_C 10:14, 4 April 2021 (UTC)

Mina Do Condominio — El_C 10:04, 5 April 2021 (UTC)

On Sight — El_C 10:06, 6 April 2021 (UTC)

The return of Remix surfing

Be Honest — El_C 22:47, 12 June 2021 (UTC)

Wade in the Water — El_C 22:47, 12 June 2021 (UTC)

Summertime Ride — El_C 22:47, 12 June 2021 (UTC)

This Thing — El_C 22:47, 12 June 2021 (UTC)

Barrio — El_C 16:51, 15 June 2021 (UTC)

Maybe I'll be Tracer... — El_C 16:42, 16 June 2021 (UTC)

O Mary Don't You Weep — El_C 11:40, 18 June 2021 (UTC)

Love Intersection — El_C 18:52, 20 June 2021 (UTC)

Inside — El_C 05:46, 21 June 2021 (UTC)

Cosmix — El_C 15:42, 26 June 2021 (UTC)

Let Me In — El_C 15:11, 27 June 2021 (UTC)

Find You — El_C 13:23, 29 June 2021 (UTC)

Bossa 31 — El_C 16:36, 1 July 2021 (UTC)

Recado Bossa Nova — El_C 13:01, 2 July 2021 (UTC)

Just The Two Of Us — El_C 00:56, 4 July 2021 (UTC)

Unless You Love Me — El_C 11:33, 4 July 2021 (UTC)

A New Born Day — El_C 11:33, 4 July 2021 (UTC)

Inspiration Zone El_C 11:33, 4 July 2021 (UTC)

Elektric City — El_C 13:50, 6 July 2021 (UTC)

Kiss from a Rose — El_C 06:22, 7 July 2021 (UTC)

Golden — El_C 09:13, 8 July 2021 (UTC)

Mozalounge — El_C 20:47, 8 July 2021 (UTC)

Sorrow — El_C 13:57, 10 July 2021 (UTC)

Be With You — El_C 14:06, 11 July 2021 (UTC)

Everybody Knows — El_C 10:42, 12 July 2021 (UTC)

Butterfly — El_C 01:14, 13 July 2021 (UTC)

Guilty Pleasure — El_C 09:13, 14 July 2021 (UTC)

Blue Bossa — El_C 15:27, 14 July 2021 (UTC)

Legend — El_C 18:40, 15 July 2021 (UTC)

Who — El_C 05:41, 16 July 2021 (UTC)

Losing My Way — El_C 15:05, 16 July 2021 (UTC)

Love Forever — El_C 16:20, 17 July 2021 (UTC)

Brother to Brother — El_C 01:48, 19 July 2021 (UTC)

'Round Midnight — El_C 06:03, 21 July 2021 (UTC)

Close Your Eyes — El_C 18:13, 22 July 2021 (UTC)

Shut Up 'n Play Yer Guitar

Whipping Post→Mountain Jam — El_C 23:02, 22 July 2021 (UTC)

Into the Sun — El_C 14:36, 23 July 2021 (UTC)

April — El_C 14:50, 24 July 2021 (UTC)

Desire And The Comforter — El_C 04:32, 27 July 2021 (UTC)

Fire on the Mountain — El_C 12:51, 27 July 2021 (UTC)

A Go Go — El_C 14:33, 27 July 2021 (UTC)

Broken Promised Land — El_C 15:18, 27 July 2021 (UTC)

Mediterranean Sundance / Rio Ancho — El_C 18:56, 27 July 2021 (UTC)

Eternity's Breath, Pt. 1, Pt. 2 — El_C 21:37, 27 July 2021 (UTC)

Say the Brother's Name — El_C 22:16, 27 July 2021 (UTC)

Drifting — El_C 22:46, 27 July 2021 (UTC)

The Epic — El_C 05:19, 28 July 2021 (UTC)

Little Wing — El_C 13:14, 28 July 2021 (UTC)

Bold As Love — El_C 13:32, 28 July 2021 (UTC)

Moonlight Sonata (3rd Movement), Tina S

Reba, Brother, Glide, Rift — El_C 22:08, 28 July 2021 (UTC)

How Insensitive (Wes Montgomery), Pat Martino, Grant Green — El_C 02:35, 29 July 2021 (UTC)

White Rabbit — El_C 13:00, 29 July 2021 (UTC)

Telegraph Road — El_C 21:47, 29 July 2021 (UTC)

Yours Is the Light — El_C 23:59, 29 July 2021 (UTC)

Burning Bridges → Mudmen — El_C 13:42, 30 July 2021 (UTC)

16/16 — El_C 03:25, 31 July 2021 (UTC)

Achilles Last Stand — El_C 12:07, 31 July 2021 (UTC)

La Grange — El_C 03:05, 2 August 2021 (UTC)

White Room — El_C 00:26, 3 August 2021 (UTC)

Tupelo (Albert King, Pops Staples, Steve Cropper), JLH — El_C 00:49, 3 August 2021 (UTC)

Mr. Soul — El_C 03:06, 3 August 2021 (UTC)

My Inspiration — El_C 12:51, 3 August 2021 (UTC)

Our Spanish Love Song — El_C 20:36, 4 August 2021 (UTC)

Change of Life — El_C 02:07, 5 August 2021 (UTC)

Reunion — El_C 12:59, 6 August 2021 (UTC)

Montevideo — El_C 02:01, 7 August 2021 (UTC)

Recado Bossa Nova — El_C 02:20, 7 August 2021 (UTC)

Treacherous Cretins (studio), Copenhagen (1979) — El_C 12:08, 7 August 2021 (UTC)

Arabia→Hasta Siempre, Comandante→Arabia — El_C 20:59, 7 August 2021 (UTC)

Dark Star — El_C 16:42, 8 August 2021 (UTC)

Tangled Up in Blue — El_C 02:27, 9 August 2021 (UTC)

Face to Face (masks save lives) — El_C 13:11, 9 August 2021 (UTC)

Blue Bossa — El_C 22:26, 9 August 2021 (UTC)

Under the Milky Way — El_C 12:51, 10 August 2021 (UTC)

Wish You Were Here (studio), Pulse — El_C 02:30, 11 August 2021 (UTC)

Albert's Shuffle, His Holy Modal Majesty — El_C 14:09, 11 August 2021 (UTC)

Cārukeśī, Sunset Road (studio) / Sunset Road (Live Art) — El_C 09:17, 12 August 2021 (UTC)

Gimme Shelter — El_C 17:02, 12 August 2021 (UTC)

The Great Gig in the Sky (Pulse) — El_C 20:09, 12 August 2021 (UTC)

Eyes of The World — El_C 03:46, 13 August 2021 (UTC)

Morning Dew — El_C 14:26, 13 August 2021 (UTC)

Blue Sky → Kind of Bird — El_C 18:23, 13 August 2021 (UTC)

I'm Troubled → Been All Around This World — El_C 14:52, 15 August 2021 (UTC)

While My Guitar Gently Weeps (JHB) — El_C 14:24, 16 August 2021 (UTC)

La Sirena — El_C 12:01, 17 August 2021 (UTC)

The Landlady — El_C 12:58, 18 August 2021 (UTC)

Dope-A-Licious — El_C 00:09, 19 August 2021 (UTC)

Air

Unveiled — El_C 15:36, 19 August 2021 (UTC)

Portia — El_C 23:55, 19 August 2021 (UTC)

El Niño — El_C 00:29, 20 August 2021 (UTC)

Jungle Strut — El_C 09:06, 20 August 2021 (UTC)

Dialogos → San Lazaro — El_C 16:42, 20 August 2021 (UTC)

Love Has Come Around — El_C 13:07, 21 August 2021 (UTC)

In a Sentimental Mood — El_C 14:20, 22 August 2021 (UTC)

Blue Rondo à la Turk — El_C 22:06, 22 August 2021 (UTC)

La Fiesta — El_C 10:54, 23 August 2021 (UTC)

Yes, It Has No Chance (etc.) — El_C 12:47, 23 August 2021 (UTC)

Mr. Skin — El_C 13:13, 24 August 2021 (UTC)

Manhã de Carnaval — El_C 21:22, 24 August 2021 (UTC)

Dawn: Dawn Is A Feeling — El_C 11:22, 25 August 2021 (UTC)

In My Own Way — El_C 19:24, 25 August 2021 (UTC)

Caged Bird — El_C 10:36, 26 August 2021 (UTC)

Around the Bend — El_C 15:56, 26 August 2021 (UTC)

House of the Rising Sun — El_C 00:25, 27 August 2021 (UTC)

Prism #1 — El_C 11:41, 27 August 2021 (UTC)

Water

Deep down → Secret Blue — El_C 18:19, 27 August 2021 (UTC)

Familiar — El_C 05:54, 28 August 2021 (UTC)

Feel It All Around — El_C 11:28, 28 August 2021 (UTC)

What If This Storm Ends? — El_C 18:34, 28 August 2021 (UTC)

Promise — El_C 23:27, 28 August 2021 (UTC)

Breathless — El_C 09:56, 29 August 2021 (UTC)

Waves — El_C 17:45, 29 August 2021 (UTC)

Power of Love → Vision is a Naked Sword — El_C 00:04, 30 August 2021 (UTC)

Running Away — El_C 11:45, 30 August 2021 (UTC)

On a Clear Day (You Can See Forever) — El_C 23:37, 30 August 2021 (UTC)

Jack-A-Roe — El_C 11:16, 31 August 2021 (UTC)

Fall songspam

All Along the Watchtower — El_C 04:10, 6 September 2021 (UTC)

Oh My God! — El_C 00:25, 7 September 2021 (UTC)

Poetry — El_C 12:05, 7 September 2021 (UTC)

Paroles, paroles ("Words, words") — El_C 02:02, 8 September 2021 (UTC)

Ebatule — El_C 14:25, 8 September 2021 (UTC)

Europa (Earth's Cry Heaven's Smile) — El_C 00:34, 9 September 2021 (UTC)

Booty Step — El_C 11:17, 9 September 2021 (UTC)

Gymnopédie No. 1 → Arabesque No. 1 — El_C 10:31, 10 September 2021 (UTC)

Raat Ne Main Baandhi Chhe — El_C 15:34, 10 September 2021 (UTC)

Reza, Meu Bem — El_C 23:13, 10 September 2021 (UTC)

Because — El_C 12:30, 11 September 2021 (UTC)

Noite Longa — El_C 18:03, 11 September 2021 (UTC)

Voce Me Apereceu — El_C 05:27, 12 September 2021 (UTC)

Lodger → It Starts When We Disappear — El_C 15:50, 12 September 2021 (UTC)

One More Day — El_C 00:17, 13 September 2021 (UTC)

Sing Song Kitty → Bonaparte's Retreat — El_C 11:33, 13 September 2021 (UTC)

Girls Love Kehlani → Table El_C 01:46, 14 September 2021 (UTC)

Kkwy — El_C 01:11, 15 September 2021 (UTC)

Convoy — El_C 15:43, 15 September 2021 (UTC)

Black Water (studio) → Live (1974) — El_C 08:53, 16 September 2021 (UTC)

Summertime → The House of the Rising Sun — El_C 13:40, 16 September 2021 (UTC)

Bossa Esfera — El_C 13:06, 17 September 2021 (UTC)

Down Man — El_C 13:36, 18 September 2021 (UTC)

The High Road — El_C 02:42, 19 September 2021 (UTC)

Found You — El_C 14:16, 20 September 2021 (UTC)

Quero ver — El_C 01:22, 21 September 2021 (UTC)

Raag Gawati (Dhan Dhan Bhag Hamare) — El_C 17:11, 21 September 2021 (UTC)

I Adore You — El_C 13:55, 22 September 2021 (UTC)

Angola Anthem — El_C 18:40, 23 September 2021 (UTC)

Dopesnotfunkae — El_C 21:26, 24 September 2021 (UTC)

Descarga for Tito — El_C 18:28, 26 September 2021 (UTC)

Positive Notions — El_C 02:10, 28 September 2021 (UTC)

One — El_C 14:06, 30 September 2021 (UTC)

Secret Sun — El_C 21:58, 30 September 2021 (UTC)

Back Where It All Begins — El_C 14:08, 7 October 2021 (UTC)

Riflessività — El_C 03:25, 10 October 2021 (UTC)

Title 1 → 2 → 3 → 4 — El_C 16:39, 10 October 2021 (UTC)

Tudo Que Você Podia Ser — El_C 13:54, 13 October 2021 (UTC)

Necessary Discrepancy — El_C 13:21, 15 October 2021 (UTC)

Way Star — El_C 09:09, 16 October 2021 (UTC)

Lament — El_C 15:09, 17 October 2021 (UTC)

Lovely Day — El_C 14:00, 18 October 2021 (UTC)

Alter Ego — El_C 11:48, 20 October 2021 (UTC)

עמוד האש — El_C 13:24, 21 October 2021 (UTC)

Won't Pray Adagio → Angel's Serenade — El_C 20:25, 21 October 2021 (UTC)

The Distance — El_C 18:10, 22 October 2021 (UTC)

Toxic — El_C 12:58, 23 October 2021 (UTC)

I'm the Man Who Loves You → Poor Places — El_C 07:09, 24 October 2021 (UTC)

Money Trees (original) → Sembari Edit → DJ Dahi & DJ Rahki: Sample masters — El_C 20:19, 24 October 2021 (UTC)

Creation & Destruction — El_C 14:50, 25 October 2021 (UTC)

Fuck the System — El_C 22:56, 25 October 2021 (UTC)

Esperar Pra Ver — El_C 10:13, 26 October 2021 (UTC)

New Coat Of Paint — El_C 12:04, 27 October 2021 (UTC)

The Ecstasy of Gold — El_C 13:25, 28 October 2021 (UTC)

One Way — El_C 13:52, 28 October 2021 (UTC)

A Little Less Conversation — El_C 15:16, 29 October 2021 (UTC)

Power in the Darkness — El_C 18:01, 29 October 2021 (UTC)

תמונה → Guitar — El_C 15:12, 30 October 2021 (UTC)

Smokestack Lightning — El_C 11:42, 31 October 2021 (UTC)

Ann River, Mn → Bibio Remix — El_C 10:43, 4 November 2021 (UTC)

Mirror Temple — El_C 01:37, 5 November 2021 (UTC)

Zoiks — El_C 15:24, 5 November 2021 (UTC)

Tuyo — El_C 14:56, 6 November 2021 (UTC)

Exogenesis: Symphony Pt. 1 (Overture) — El_C 13:54, 8 November 2021 (UTC)

Lotus Land → A Lotus On Irish Streams — El_C 12:02, 9 November 2021 (UTC)

Romance del Diablo — El_C 13:23, 13 November 2021 (UTC)

Enemy → (Worlds 2021 version → Radio edit → Orchestral/instrumental) → Guns for Hire → Goodbye — El_C 10:39, 14 November 2021 (UTC)

Floral Fury — El_C 18:40, 16 November 2021 (UTC)

Waking Up → VIP Extended Mix — El_C 10:00, 18 November 2021 (UTC)

Solução Edit — El_C 13:30, 20 November 2021 (UTC)

אפילו דקה → Trem das Onze — El_C 14:13, 21 November 2021 (UTC)

Knives Out — El_C 16:23, 22 November 2021 (UTC)

Child in Time — El_C 01:16, 23 November 2021 (UTC)

Free Bird (extended studio) — El_C 12:09, 24 November 2021 (UTC)

Nobody Speak → Nobody Move — El_C 11:53, 25 November 2021 (UTC)

Be Alright (Live at One Love Manchester) — El_C 11:39, 27 November 2021 (UTC)

Victory Theme (SHADOWFOX2 Remix) → Funk Fiction Remix — El_C 14:15, 1 December 2021 (UTC)

Everywhere at the End of Time (Nexpo 4-min summary) → Full album (6.5 hours) — El_C 02:14, 3 December 2021 (UTC)

Intimidated — El_C 15:00, 4 December 2021 (UTC)

Seoul — El_C 11:24, 6 December 2021 (UTC)

Fiona — El_C 14:52, 7 December 2021 (UTC)

Sun — El_C 14:18, 8 December 2021 (UTC)

Parole parole — El_C 15:10, 10 December 2021 (UTC)

Breathe (2 AM) (Live) — El_C 13:11, 11 December 2021 (UTC)

Dodole — El_C 16:57, 12 December 2021 (UTC)

Sacred Moment → Ammonia Clouds — El_C 11:56, 14 December 2021 (UTC)

Enemy (guitar heavy) — El_C 11:17, 15 December 2021 (UTC)

Every Day Is Exactly the Same (Acoustic cover) → Sam Fog vs. Carlos D Mix — El_C 12:00, 17 December 2021 (UTC)

After You — El_C 16:06, 18 December 2021 (UTC)

Estate — El_C 11:07, 19 December 2021 (UTC)

Prelude → Victory Fanfare (Evil Needle X OriJanus Remix) — El_C 13:51, 20 December 2021 (UTC)

Winter Nights

Winter Nights (full album): Greensleeves → Inverno — El_C 05:05, 21 December 2021 (UTC)

Ready To Fly — El_C 13:42, 21 December 2021 (UTC)

Sunny (Papik w Wendy Lewis) → Francesco Cofano Remix → w Peter De Girolamo (instrumental) → Bobby Hebb original — El_C 10:24, 23 December 2021 (UTC)

Crazy — El_C 05:13, 25 December 2021 (UTC)

Crazy — El_C 20:26, 25 December 2021 (UTC)

The Hanukkah Waltz →Christmas Oratorio (BVW 248 #41, Aria (tenor)) — El_C 14:15, 26 December 2021 (UTC)

Since I've Been Loving You — El_C 21:49, 26 December 2021 (UTC)

Lupin — El_C 02:01, 29 December 2021 (UTC)

Une Sulased → Kiik Tahab Kindaid — El_C 18:47, 29 December 2021 (UTC)

The Star Spangled Banner — El_C 00:40, 31 December 2021 (UTC)

Wonderland — El_C 10:48, 31 December 2021 (UTC)

Souffles H (Souffle Your Wig) — El_C 17:35, 31 December 2021 (UTC)

2 Hearts Together (Absolute Contrast) — El_C 10:20, 1 January 2022 (UTC)

Este Amor — El_C 17:47, 1 January 2022 (UTC)

Samba De Luar — El_C 11:53, 2 January 2022 (UTC)

Can't Hide Love — El_C 03:19, 3 January 2022 (UTC)

Nice & Slow — El_C 12:32, 3 January 2022 (UTC)

Living For The Night — El_C 13:05, 4 January 2022 (UTC)

In The Morning — El_C 06:45, 5 January 2022 (UTC)

Nos Vida — El_C 20:21, 5 January 2022 (UTC)

One Dream — El_C 12:04, 6 January 2022 (UTC)

Secret of the Forest (Flite) → Jordan Chin → Contraband Reloaded → Kara Comparetto — El_C 07:06, 7 January 2022 (UTC)

Grand Central Boogie — El_C 22:04, 7 January 2022 (UTC)

No Mercy → Instrumental — El_C 01:20, 9 January 2022 (UTC)

Delight → Slow Down El_C 05:24, 9 January 2022 (UTC)

Head Over Heels → Sowing the Seeds Of Love — El_C 13:44, 10 January 2022 (UTC)

Surrender — El_C 10:32, 11 January 2022 (UTC)

No Stress →Get Down → Human Nature → Dreamy → Flowers — El_C 11:40, 12 January 2022 (UTC)

The Well-Tempered Clavier, Prelude 1 in C Major (BWV 846) — El_C 10:18, 15 January 2022 (UTC)

Concerto No. 2 in F Minor, Op. 21: I. Maestoso — El_C 23:10, 15 January 2022 (UTC)

I Put A Spell On You — El_C 09:47, 17 January 2022 (UTC)

High Tide — El_C 02:00, 20 January 2022 (UTC)

פרדי על הבוקר — El_C 07:41, 21 January 2022 (UTC)

Decisions (AM Intro) → You Could Be (ft. George Riley) → Quest Select (AM Outro) — El_C 15:32, 26 January 2022 (UTC)

Slavery Days → I And I Survive — El_C 12:29, 27 January 2022 (UTC)

Dare — El_C 16:19, 28 January 2022 (UTC)

Kiss from a Rose (Heidi Jutras) → Joe McBride → Trinití → David Simmons, Jr. — El_C 16:00, 29 January 2022 (UTC)

Kiss from a Rose (studio version) → Rick explains (feat. Seal) — El_C 13:18, 30 January 2022 (UTC)

Crazy — El_C 15:05, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

Deepstar — El_C 11:20, 2 February 2022 (UTC)

All By Myself (Glee) → w David Foster — El_C 15:29, 5 February 2022 (UTC)

Infralow — El_C 13:42, 6 February 2022 (UTC)

Jericho — El_C 12:11, 8 February 2022 (UTC)

I Guess You Get What's Coming — El_C 18:10, 10 February 2022 (UTC)

In Memory Of Elizabeth Reed (acoustic, live 1992) → Studio version → Fillmore East, 1971 — El_C 15:58, 11 February 2022 (UTC)

Open Up → Open Up (Reimagined) — El_C 00:03, 12 February 2022 (UTC)

Keep Me In Mind — El_C 11:47, 15 February 2022 (UTC)

Yellow Moon (w John Hiatt & Herbie Hancock) — El_C 01:01, 17 February 2022 (UTC)

True Faith — El_C 16:00, 18 February 2022 (UTC)

בא אלייך בלילה El_C 14:41, 19 February 2022 (UTC)

The Theme That Got Left in the Car — El_C 10:38, 20 February 2022 (UTC)

Lotus Feet → India — El_C 10:07, 24 February 2022 (UTC)

Revival — El_C 00:31, 26 February 2022 (UTC)

Unfuckwitable — El_C 09:57, 2 March 2022 (UTC)

Breathing — El_C 11:27, 4 March 2022 (UTC)

Prune Gang Revival Tour → Darkseid / FULL (Soundcloud) — El_C 05:18, 5 March 2022 (UTC)

Gleam → Glim → Mystic — El_C 13:18, 6 March 2022 (UTC)

Bullets — El_C 10:38, 7 March 2022 (UTC)

Them Changes — El_C 19:09, 8 March 2022 (UTC)

Thoughts — El_C 15:29, 9 March 2022 (UTC)

Eyesdown → U Just R — El_C 03:27, 14 March 2022 (UTC)

A New Life — El_C 21:03, 14 March 2022 (UTC)

Press Garden Zone — El_C 15:34, 16 March 2022 (UTC)

Fish — El_C 17:15, 18 March 2022 (UTC)

I'll Find My Way — El_C 07:01, 19 March 2022 (UTC)

Lean On — El_C 10:01, 19 March 2022 (UTC)

Weird Bed — El_C 03:39, 20 March 2022 (UTC)

Hope Springs E

Morning Dew — El_C 00:09, 21 March 2022 (UTC)

Delight Earth — El_C 10:36, 23 March 2022 (UTC)

Funk No.1 — El_C 12:53, 24 March 2022 (UTC)

Children Of The World — El_C 05:42, 25 March 2022 (UTC)

Sometimes I Feel Like a Motherless Child — El_C 22:02, 28 March 2022 (UTC)

Lay Down — El_C 14:09, 1 April 2022 (UTC)

Colorless — El_C 16:13, 3 April 2022 (UTC)

Viva L'amore — El_C 02:58, 7 April 2022 (UTC)

Riviera Paradise El_C 10:53, 9 April 2022 (UTC)

Plexus — El_C 13:12, 10 April 2022 (UTC)

Virtual Insanity (Wilson remix) — El_C 12:30, 11 April 2022 (UTC)

Time Paradox (Choma41 final mix) — El_C 01:00, 12 April 2022 (UTC)

Love and Happiness — El_C 16:58, 12 April 2022 (UTC)

& — El_C 10:35, 13 April 2022 (UTC)

Shake Down — El_C 10:50, 14 April 2022 (UTC)

Fingerflowing — El_C 11:14, 15 April 2022 (UTC)

The Cat Came Back — El_C 10:18, 18 April 2022 (UTC)

In the Morning of the Magicians — El_C 22:31, 20 April 2022 (UTC)

Mellow → Voyage — El_C 11:58, 24 April 2022 (UTC)

The Search for Optimism — El_C 13:02, 25 April 2022 (UTC)

On The Move — El_C 15:39, 30 April 2022 (UTC)

Transmissionnn → Txt (MSGS) — El_C 10:41, 12 May 2022 (UTC)

Phenomenal → To Forgive (Letting Go Is Hard) — El_C 18:07, 13 May 2022 (UTC)

Gypsy Woman — El_C 22:02, 14 May 2022 (UTC)

Guardian Angel — El_C 13:56, 15 May 2022 (UTC)

Looking for the Sun → Cheers! — El_C 15:46, 16 May 2022 (UTC)

לך תזדיין (Go Fuck Yourself) — El_C 11:37, 19 May 2022 (UTC)

Heartbreak In Paradise — El_C 12:29, 22 May 2022 (UTC)

Jessica — El_C 22:44, 23 May 2022 (UTC)

You Enjoy Myself — El_C 12:37, 25 May 2022 (UTC)

Stash — El_C 15:37, 28 May 2022 (UTC)

Nsu Na Kwan (Water and Stone) — El_C 21:49, 4 June 2022 (UTC)

The Magic — El_C 12:29, 8 June 2022 (UTC)

Twilight Voyage — El_C 18:15, 9 June 2022 (UTC)

Dear And Soul — El_C 13:41, 10 June 2022 (UTC)

Far Away → L'Uomo Invisible (The Invisible Man) — El_C 12:53, 12 June 2022 (UTC)

Wolf Totem — El_C 14:08, 14 June 2022 (UTC)

Jell-O — El_C 12:54, 15 June 2022 (UTC)

My Name Is James (Soundcloud) — El_C 12:52, 18 June 2022 (UTC)

Time solo → Another Brick In The Wall solo → Comfortably Numb solo — El_C 14:44, 19 June 2022 (UTC)

And the livin' is EZ

Comfortably Numb (Sophie Lloyd) → Shorts shorts (shorts) ←Shut up, me! — El_C 00:57, 22 June 2022 (UTC)

First Day Of Summer — El_C 13:12, 22 June 2022 (UTC)

Brazilian Summer — El_C 19:17, 23 June 2022 (UTC)

Valse triste (Sad Waltz), Op. 44 — El_C 17:06, 24 June 2022 (UTC)

No Turning Back — El_C 14:01, 25 June 2022 (UTC)

Come Together — El_C 17:52, 30 June 2022 (UTC)

Miles Away — El_C 23:37, 1 July 2022 (UTC)

Tuesday — El_C 14:32, 5 July 2022 (UTC)

Can't Hide Love — El_C 14:29, 17 July 2022 (UTC)

Noche de San Juan → Pra Joao → Yoruba → Semblanza de un Gigante — El_C 14:38, 23 July 2022 (UTC)

Children Say → La Mer → Sound Of Blue → People Have A Right Of Pursuing Happiness — El_C 14:23, 3 August 2022 (UTC)

Ready To Freak → When Are You Gonna Tell Your Woman (About Me)? / Sign of the Times — El_C 16:11, 4 August 2022 (UTC)

El Mechánico — El_C 11:53, 10 August 2022 (UTC)

Anomalous Hedges — El_C 14:28, 13 August 2022 (UTC)

The Runaway (Icon West Remix) — El_C 16:53, 19 August 2022 (UTC)

Where Did The Time Go? → Time's Blur — El_C 17:15, 29 August 2022 (UTC)

Turn On Your Love Light — El_C 19:30, 2 September 2022 (UTC)

Going Home — El_C 01:31, 10 September 2022 (UTC)

Severance (title sequence) — El_C 19:14, 11 September 2022 (UTC)

Diz pra Mim (Tell Me) — El_C 15:35, 15 September 2022 (UTC)

Reminisce — El_C 17:03, 17 September 2022 (UTC)

怨恨白昼夢 — El_C 03:19, 19 September 2022 (UTC)

Falleaves

Autumn — El_C 02:40, 22 September 2022 (UTC)

Let's Get Blown — El_C 16:43, 28 September 2022 (UTC)

Rest → Reset — El_C 22:04, 4 October 2022 (UTC)

Trip to the Stix — El_C 16:43, 9 October 2022 (UTC)

Blunt — El_C 18:06, 11 October 2022 (UTC)

It Will Work Out — El_C 10:55, 12 October 2022 (UTC)

Festa Cante — El_C 01:56, 13 October 2022 (UTC)

Into the Fire → Into the Fire (Combat) — El_C 15:34, 13 October 2022 (UTC)

Just a Feeling — El_C 16:06, 14 October 2022 (UTC)

Fallin' (Francesco Cofano Remix) — El_C 05:55, 15 October 2022 (UTC)

It's Not My Cross To Bear — El_C 16:23, 17 October 2022 (UTC)

A Man and a Woman (Extended Mix) — El_C 00:09, 19 October 2022 (UTC)

Name Your Price — El_C 19:56, 19 October 2022 (UTC)

The Water's Fine! — El_C 23:07, 24 October 2022 (UTC)

Midnight Rider — El_C 07:27, 28 October 2022 (UTC)

One Thing Leads to Another (Extended Version) — El_C 07:26, 31 October 2022 (UTC)

Tabula Rasa — El_C 16:42, 2 November 2022 (UTC)

paradise — El_C 15:39, 4 November 2022 (UTC)

History — El_C 04:04, 5 November 2022 (UTC)

bossa uh → i'll be okay — El_C 17:54, 6 November 2022 (UTC)

Chrono Suite — El_C 09:24, 8 November 2022 (UTC)

Intelligent Design — El_C 03:57, 9 November 2022 (UTC)

Mississippi Half-Step Uptown Toodleloo — El_C 00:33, 12 November 2022 (UTC)

Brasil — El_C 19:32, 13 November 2022 (UTC)

Flowers — El_C 01:28, 15 November 2022 (UTC)

Local Forecast → +tempo — El_C 00:00, 17 November 2022 (UTC)

Into the Ether — El_C 07:34, 18 November 2022 (UTC)

Mirrors — El_C 06:36, 6 December 2022 (UTC)

Rise — El_C 18:45, 7 December 2022 (UTC)

Hopeless Romantic — El_C 17:46, 9 December 2022 (UTC)

Dream On (Morgan James) — El_C 15:21, 10 December 2022 (UTC)

FTW — El_C 17:18, 11 December 2022 (UTC)

Dreamin — El_C 14:32, 12 December 2022 (UTC)

Pleasure — El_C 05:47, 17 December 2022 (UTC)

A Hazy Shade of Winter

Hazy Shade of Winter (Radio Edit) — El_C 22:21, 21 December 2022 (UTC)

Golden Hour — El_C 21:57, 24 December 2022 (UTC)

Money, Money, Money (Joel Dickinson Remix Radio Edit) — El_C 03:31, 31 December 2022 (UTC)

Rites Of Passage — El_C 18:45, 31 December 2022 (UTC)

Pumped (Pumping the House All Night Long Extend-o-mix) — El_C 11:38, 3 March 2023 (UTC)

I Remember — El_C 10:00, 5 March 2023 (UTC)

Babydoll — El_C 08:04, 18 March 2023 (UTC)

Spring springs

Brucia La Terra — El_C 01:26, 22 March 2023 (UTC)

It Was a Very Good Year — El_C 22:22, 22 March 2023 (UTC)

Chess — El_C 04:49, 1 April 2023 (UTC)

CSGO Theme (Official) → (VMU Chamber Orchestra) → (Johnny Hua) — El_C 07:25, 19 April 2023 (UTC)

Light Velocity — El_C 06:49, 20 April 2023 (UTC)

Apho (feat. Bongeziwe Mabandla) ← Variables → BC — El_C 09:24, 22 April 2023 (UTC)

Lady (Hear Me Tonight) — El_C 10:17, 16 May 2023 (UTC)

Sonic Boom — El_C 13:37, 27 May 2023 (UTC)

Rolling Star (Yuri's Mixx) — El_C 06:55, 18 August 2023 (UTC)

Above the Clouds — El_C 14:18, 28 August 2023 (UTC)

Set Me Free — El_C 14:19, 19 September 2023 (UTC)

Twenty Twenty Four

Bright Purity — El_C 15:24, 28 January 2024 (UTC)

My Star — El_C 21:21, 27 February 2024 (UTC)

Xiaoyu Stage → Xiaoyu Carnival (Quick Mix) — El_C 18:36, 13 March 2024 (UTC)

Balatro — El_C 06:24, 15 March 2024 (UTC)

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Chris Hedges: "The Meaning of Christmas" (December 27, 2020). El_C 23:50, 21 February 2021 (UTC)

Ordinary Things: "The Evil Business of 2021" (December 31, 2021). El_C 14:21, 4 January 2022 (UTC)

Ordinary Things: "The Bankrupt Business of 2022" (December 31, 2022). El_C 01:32, 22 March 2023 (UTC)

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Sorry, everyone, with very few exceptions, I will not be accepting any new requests for administrative intervention on my talk page for the foreseeable future. In the meantime, enjoy the music! El_C 18:33, 16 February 2021 (UTC)

Now also introducing Buck Flower, security guard (challenging times ahead!). El_C 12:46, 24 February 2021 (UTC)

So much good music! River Man in particular is always a favourite of mine. Jr8825 • Talk 19:02, 20 February 2022 (UTC)

//bows El_C 12:39, 21 February 2022 (UTC)

March flowers

story · music · places

in memory of the birthday of a friend who showed me art such as this --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:18, 7 March 2024 (UTC)

... and the premiere of Nabucco - I always wanted to go to that theatre where Idomeneo premiered, and they played Mozart! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:10, 9 March 2024 (UTC)

Booksellers let's go! El_C 18:24, 13 March 2024 (UTC)

Especially booksellers who give a peace prize. I was there when Amoz Oz reveived it. - Rossini's Petite messe solennelle was premiered on 14 March 1864, - when I listen to the desolate Agnus Dei I think of Vami_IV. Dona nobis pacem - give us peace. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:26, 14 March 2024 (UTC)

♬♫♪♩ Very nice. That rendition of the Little solemn Mass really took me places. ♩♪♫♬ El_C 05:57, 15 March 2024 (UTC)

love to hear that! - vacation pics uploaded (back home), at least the first day, - and Aribert Reimann remembered. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:35, 20 March 2024 (UTC)

Some days later, a calf in the mist (for you to pet) and chocolate cake, and a story of collaboration --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:27, 27 March 2024 (UTC)

How to request recusals

El C one day I'd like to better understand what caused your loss of trust in Arbcom because that has been apparent to me for quite some time. For now though I thought I would point you to where the policy for how to request recusals lives. Barkeep49 (talk) 10:29, 19 March 2024 (UTC)

Liberland

Could you reduce the protection level on this page? The problem-causing user has been indeffed and I’d like to be able to edit the article. Dronebogus (talk) 01:40, 21 March 2024 (UTC)

Before making substantive edits, I'd recommend taking a good look at the talk page discussions, including those concerning a proposed new draft. AndyTheGrump (talk) 02:26, 21 March 2024 (UTC)

In any case, the protection has now expired. El_C 20:47, 21 March 2024 (UTC)

Arbcom appeal for SwissArmyGuy

Just like I did this before, but I have to appeal SwissArmyGuy (talk · contribs) for wrongdoing, instead of email at Misplaced Pages:Administrators' noticeboard/IncidentArchive1034#User:SwissArmyGuy keeps asking for my social media accounts and refuses to tell me why. But I opted Kingerikthesecond for asking their social media accounts, but it is cogent and coherent answers to a number of questions. Recently but I have to do something right, and please let me appeal as a clean start. 95.73.84.105 (talk) 16:43, 22 March 2024 (UTC)

Do not mention me or talk to me ever again. I want nothing to do with you. --KingErikII (Talk page) 16:45, 22 March 2024 (UTC)

(talk page watcher) SwissArmyGuy, El C's block was taken over by the Arbitration Committee. You need to email them if you want to appeal; it cannot be made onwiki or towards El C. Moneytrees🏝️(Talk) 16:54, 22 March 2024 (UTC)

(talk page watcher) Not even the ArbCom can do this as the account is globally locked; they will need to appeal to stewards@wikimedia.org. Black Kite (talk) 09:18, 23 March 2024 (UTC)

Notification of arbitration enforcement sanction

There is an arbitration enforcement discussion at Misplaced Pages:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement#Arbitration_enforcement_action_appeal_by_Interstellarity concerning you. If you wish to comment, you may comment there. Interstellarity (talk) 12:48, 30 March 2024 (UTC)

Not just black and white!

Thanks for defending my yellowness there  :) "They call him Mellow Yellow"... ——Serial Number 54129 18:17, 2 April 2024 (UTC)

There can only be one. Don't Eat the Yellow Snow! El_C 18:19, 2 April 2024 (UTC)

My Declined Requests At RFPP

You declined 4/5 of my RFPP requests? Why? You said "Pages are not protected preemptively" but GS/RUSUKR says "If a page (other than a "Talk:" page) mostly or entirely relates to the topic area, broadly construed, this restriction is preferably enforced through extended confirmed protection," and "Only extended-confirmed editors may make edits related to the topic area".@El C Me Da Wikipedian (talk) 00:12, 3 April 2024 (UTC)

@Me Da Wikipedian: per WP:PREEMPTIVE, there needs to be recent issues before protecting. The last edit in one of the pages you nominated was 9 months ago, so that is quite Stale. El_C 00:35, 3 April 2024 (UTC)

Would this qualify? @El C Me Da Wikipedian (talk) 00:41, 3 April 2024 (UTC)

How about this@El C Me Da Wikipedian (talk) 00:43, 3 April 2024 (UTC)

@Me Da Wikipedian: those would not. We're looking for days or a couple of weeks at most. For the most part, anything that's in the weeks or months would not qualify. El_C 00:52, 3 April 2024 (UTC)

If added 3 more requests do those work @El C Me Da Wikipedian (talk) 20:51, 3 April 2024 (UTC)

Help needed

Hello El C, having some problems here. I wanted to remedy my mistake (missing }}, but apparantly there is the new link to about.com which I never made. Would you be so kind as to take a closer look ? Thank you ever so much. Cheers Lotje (talk) 12:33, 4 April 2024 (UTC)

Hi. Not sure, not seeing any relevant new filters or new additions to the blacklist (local or global). Maybe ask at WP:VPT or WP:EFN. Should have some more tech-inclined folks than myself who can shed light on this. HTH. El_C 17:58, 4 April 2024 (UTC)

Rationale for extending extended-confirmed protection to the entire World Central Kitchen article?

Hi. I'm not very familiar with the custom of topic-based page protections. The policy states "all pages broadly related to a topic, as well as parts of other pages that are related to the topic". The page was already partially protected in regards to any information regarding the incident in Gaza, and there has been no vandalism.

Is this the norm of topic-based protections? E.g. it is not banned to edit the article Legality of conversion therapy because of the "gender-related contentious topics; or the biography of Wang Zhi'an merely because it contains information about him criticising Falun Gong. I was about to add some information regarding past World Central Kitchen responses to natural disasters. Y. Dongchen (talk) 01:53, 5 April 2024 (UTC)

Hello. First, protection that is WP:PREEMPTIVE is against the norms (not sure if that's clear to you). As for this arbitration-enforcement sanction regime (the WP:PIA topic area) its WP:ECR requirement is split into two types of affected pages: "primary articles," which represent a permanent and close connection to the topic area, and "related content", whose connection is temporary and/or lesser. But as for the examples you pointed to above, neither WP:ARBFLG nor WP:ARBGS feature the ECR requirement. Still, in a broader sense, if a dispute pertaining to any applicable topic area becomes acute on any page, that sanction regime could be invoked (and regardless if it's a community-authorized or Arbitration Committee-authorized one). HTH. El_C 02:54, 5 April 2024 (UTC)

Thank you for the information. So as I understand it from the WP:PIA page, you applied ECR as you deem World Central Kitchen to be a "primary article" under that regime? I would appreciate a confirmation. Thanks again for the explanation. Y. Dongchen (talk) 03:12, 5 April 2024 (UTC)

No, it's not primary, it's related, because that organization is active elsewhere in the world, like Ukraine. If it was only focused on its Gaza mission, then it would be deemed primary. El_C 03:36, 5 April 2024 (UTC)

Ah okay. Then can you please remove the current form of protection which is applied to the entire page? The WP:PIA "area of conflict" is defined as

4) For the purposes of editing restrictions in the ARBPIA topic area, the "area of conflict" shall be defined as encompassing

a. the entire set of articles whose topic relates to the Arab-Israeli conflict, broadly interpreted ("primary articles"), and

b. edits relating to the Arab-Israeli conflict, to pages and discussions in all namespaces with the exception of userspace ("related content")

if I understand it correctly. Y. Dongchen (talk) 04:02, 5 April 2024 (UTC)

Sorry, I don't follow. You don't provide a reasoning as to why I should "remove the current form of protection which is applied to the entire page," you just quote from that case. To what end? So, no, I don't think you understand it correctly, but I'm not sure if I can explain it better. El_C 04:14, 5 April 2024 (UTC)

According to the "ARBPIA general sanctions" – Extended confirmed restriction: The extended confirmed restriction is imposed on the area of conflict.

Since you mentioned your rationale for the imposition of protection was that you deemed the article to contain related content, the general sanctions would not cover the imposition of whole-page protection. The related content was already explicitly protected as per the article talkpage. I am not an extended-confirmed user and I want to add information about past responses of WCK to natural disasters. Y. Dongchen (talk) 04:22, 5 April 2024 (UTC)

The only difference between primary and related is that WP:ECP isn't applied indefinitely for the latter. Because in the future that org may be in the news and experience active editing disputes about, say, Haiti, which is not currently deemed a contentious topic. But a page can only be protected in its entirety. I don't have discretion about the protection level itself. If you think you have a convincing case, you could request to get your WP:XC status expedited at WP:PERM#Extended confirmed, though. El_C 04:45, 5 April 2024 (UTC)

The "area of conflict" concept was introduced in WP:ARBPIA4 following confusion about Airbnb which included controversies regarding operation in West Bank settlements. So even though the article still contains the company's settlements controversy, the protection is not extended to the whole article. I might ask for a third opinion on this. Y. Dongchen (talk) 05:16, 5 April 2024 (UTC)

Again, I'm not sure I follow. It's a standard action. But sure, maybe someone else can explain it better than I. The latest disputes at World Central Kitchen are related to the recent World Central Kitchen drone strikes (which I also protected, as it happens). Both actions have been logged at WP:AELOG/2024#PIA. HTH. El_C 05:25, 5 April 2024 (UTC)

(talk page watcher) Protection of any article related to the topic area, broadly construed, is permitted by the protection policy and the contentious topic procedures. In my experience, it is common practice to only temporarily protect pages which are only partially related. El C's protection was aligned with policy and practice. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 12:26, 5 April 2024 (UTC)

Gavin Menzies

I got an email explaining it was a student project. ". Students were told explicitly not to vandalize articles, although we do not have the class time for students to learn what constitutes a good Misplaced Pages edit before they complete the assignment. I hope the disruption caused by the assignment was minimal—at the very least, it should inspire a future generation of Misplaced Pages editors." Doug Weller talk 13:18, 6 April 2024 (UTC)

Thanks, Doug, that's interesting and a bit unexpected, but I should emphasize that I approached this from a wider lense. As in the long term issues the page has experienced intermittently, resulting in multiple protections from 2010 to the present day. Usually, these protections have been in the months, but the last two were for one year each (2017-2018 and 2019-2020, respectively), so I went for 2 years this time. But next time that page experiences major problems, whatever that reason may be, I think that the protection should be set not to expire. Best, El_C 01:19, 7 April 2024 (UTC)

TFA

story · music · places

I like to see Appalachian Spring on the Main page today (not by me, just interested and reviewed), and I also made it my story. - How do you like the statue (look up places)? - I was undecided so show three versions ;) - Did you "pet" the calf (see March)? Did I tell you that the psalms are now done in Hebrew, even with translations into English?? Thanks to someone tireless. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:30, 6 April 2024 (UTC)

The statue is of Hildegard of Bingen, and as it happens, her Physica is on the Main page today, and Marian Anderson as my top story (by NBC, 1939), and below (on my talk) three people with raised arms, - and the place is the cherry blossom in Frauenstein --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:56, 9 April 2024 (UTC)

plum tree blossom for Kalevi Kiviniemi in the snow - see my talk --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:44, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

Ballet in and of Appalachia — now I (haven't) seen it all! El_C 14:17, 14 April 2024 (UTC)

My story today is about a piece composed for the Second Sunday after Easter 300 years ago, about a shepherd, and then I saw plenty of sheep from the bike, and I just returned from a (long) opera about the same age, with soprano Pretty Yende. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:07, 14 April 2024 (UTC)

O' Euroland, where one could ride their to the opera (which is to say, at all). El_C 07:01, 16 April 2024 (UTC)

relief: the last of six RD articles in one week is now on the Main page - yesterday a great recital with many anti-war songs by Jewish composers whose music banned by the Nazis. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:17, 18 April 2024 (UTC)

images of a flock of sheep - some to pet - that I met by chance on the 300th birthday of cantata Du Hirte Israel, höre, BWV 104 --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:40, 21 April 2024 (UTC)

today a sad task - memory of Andrew Davis - turned into entertainment (yt at the bottom of his article, actually both) -- the latest pictures capture extreme weather --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:11, 23 April 2024 (UTC)

The juveniles' eyes — okay. But the adult one — how is that forward facing? 🐑 El_C 12:24, 28 April 2024 (UTC)

please help: when did I say "forward facing"? (my memory ...) - today you can look at the last three stories or "music" on my talk: the same topics, Youth Symphony Orchestra of Ukraine, Samuel Kummer and (pictured) one row of 8 double basses and another of 5 bassists ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:12, 30 April 2024 (UTC)

It was a rhetorical question to the sky! RIP Daniel Kern Manufacture d'Orgues. El_C 20:34, 30 April 2024 (UTC)

A kitten for you!

Thanks for being so positive and active on the wiki, may you continue finding it rewarding and something you enjoy :3

— ♠ Ixtal ⁂ Non nobis solum. ♠ 22:10, 10 April 2024 (UTC)

Thanks, Ixtal, that's very kind of you. El_C 14:14, 14 April 2024 (UTC)

Order of the Arrow

Would like a reference for "previously known as" - that change has not been made. I would be happy to help maintain this page. dugbrown 16 April 2024 (UTC)

Sorry, what is the question? Are you unable to edit Order of the Arrow, but would like to do so? Is that the issue? El_C 12:47, 16 April 2024 (UTC)

Yes or would at least like a reference for the "Previously Known As" statement. @El C Doug (talk) 13:56, 16 April 2024 (UTC)

I'm not exactly sure what is meant by that (it's been many years since that article has even crossed my mind), but you should be good to go now. El_C 14:02, 16 April 2024 (UTC)

User:Shoot for the Stars

FYI, on being unblocked this user has immediately re-created Elliott Rodger, which was redirected a significant time ago and was the subject of a number of discussions. Black Kite (talk) 07:27, 17 April 2024 (UTC)

Belatedly: the page/redirect you linked to above has not been edited by anyone in years, so you lost me. El_C 11:12, 23 April 2024 (UTC)

Romania

You semi'd the page indefinitely, but you appear to have forgotten to reset the pending changes. With indef semi now in place, this obviously is not needed anymore. Lynch44 (talk) 00:58, 23 April 2024 (UTC)

Got it. El_C 11:12, 23 April 2024 (UTC)

Notification of ArbCom enforcement appeal

This is to inform you I appealed the topic ban you originally imposed in April 2022. The discussion can be found at Misplaced Pages:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement#Arbitration_enforcement_action_appeal_by_Anonimu. Anonimu (talk) 17:17, 23 April 2024 (UTC)

Your appeal is incomplete because it only links to a previously failed appeal, but not to anything I did (the original enforcement action). El_C 17:35, 23 April 2024 (UTC)

Reverting the edit of Maratha Empire article

Hi, it appears that you recently reverted the article on the Maratha Empire to a previous version. However, the prior version indicated a date of 1758, not 1760. Additionally, other articles about historical empires include maps from when they were at their peak, so the map from 1758 would be accurate in this context. The statement "Maratha Empire at its peak in 1760" contradicts the earlier map date. The map from 1758 is available on Wikimedia That's why I edited the map of 1760 to 1758 because the description under it was wrong. Seems like Misplaced Pages editors are biased. Also, there is a talk section about this topic in that article but no one discussed before editing. 2402:8100:387D:609D:AC52:E91E:48D4:A649 (talk) 12:11, 24 April 2024 (UTC)

You have used multiple IPs to edit war that change, some of which while block evading, and you wonder why no one wishes to engage your brief yet confusing and poorly-written talk page comment from April 22? In this context, your Seems like Misplaced Pages editors are biased seems unsubstantive and falls short. There may be a language barrier that at this time is insurmountable. This is the English Misplaced Pages, which means that there is a requirement that one would be sufficiently competent in its use in order to communicate clearly. El_C 13:41, 24 April 2024 (UTC)

Question

Hi El C, I just want to bump the question I asked you last month up at #Thanks re Myanmar. I thought maybe you didn't see it because I added it all the way up there. TEMPO156 (talk) 00:57, 26 April 2024 (UTC)

Hey. Sorry, I did indeed miss your comment at that time. In answer to your question: no, nothing recent comes to mind. HTH. Regards, El_C 04:22, 26 April 2024 (UTC)

Can the Standoff at Eagle Pass be reduced in protection?

I believe you are the Misplaced Pages administrator who added Extended Confirmation Protection to Standoff at Eagle Pass. Can the protection for this page be reduced to semi-protected, due to the need for updates related to the topic (the banner has been there since February 2024) and the reduced news coverage and controversy about the event.

Side-note: I have extended confirmation protection editing power (500+ edits, more than 30 days). JohnAdams1800 (talk) 01:56, 26 April 2024 (UTC)

The protection overall is gonna expire soon'ish (July), but sure, sounds good (log update). El_C 04:22, 26 April 2024 (UTC)

Siege of Szigetvár and Nikola IV Zrinski

HI El C. I made a couple of edits on Misplaced Pages. I think I'm right, maybe I'm not. Two users disagree with me, one from the Battle for Sigetvar, the other from Nikola IV Zrinski, but no one else. I think that unverified images with unknown authors have no place on Misplaced Pages. Then everyone can post unverified pictures with unknown authors. I think there must be a rule for that in wikipedia, maybe there isn't. So I would like your opinion on that. See my Misplaced Pages edits. Thank you. 78.2.236.99 (talk) 16:07, 28 April 2024 (UTC)

Hello. Yeah, sorry, I do think you're wrong here. Just because the 16th century author is unknown, doesn't mean the painting is "unverified." See https://en.mng.hu/artworks/34295 — I personally am inclined to trust the curators of the Hungarian National Gallery. But you can always bring any concerns or issue to the article talk page. That is where that discussion belongs. El_C 21:36, 28 April 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for protecting those templates :)

For context, I was going through these and finding the ones with >5k transclusions that MusikBot hadn't yet upgraded to TPE. I started listing them at RFPP/I before it occurred to me that -- if I added them all in one set -- I might accidentally cause people to be annoyed with me for flooding the page. Having said that, if you don't mind protecting some more, would it be okay if I listed the remaining ones from that list with >5k transclusions here? (If you do mind, it's not a problem of course!)

All the best, ‍—‍a smart kitten 22:00, 28 April 2024 (UTC)

Hey, no worries, A smart kitten. Go for it. Regards, El_C 22:20, 28 April 2024 (UTC)

Thanks :)

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(Courtesy ping MusikAnimal - there might be nothing wrong with the bot, but thought I should ping you just in case, due to the number of templates with >5k transclusions that MusikBot II hadn't yet upgraded the protection of.) All the best, ‍—‍a smart kitten 23:00, 28 April 2024 (UTC)

Done. Regards, El_C 23:58, 28 April 2024 (UTC)

Happy Adminship Anniversary!

Happy adminship anniversary! Hi El C! On behalf of the Birthday Committee, I'd like to wish you a very happy anniversary of your successful request for adminship. Enjoy this special day! The Herald (Benison) (talk) 02:53, 1 May 2024 (UTC)

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Possible removal of semi-protection at Friendly's

I don't know if the vandal is still active or not, but regardless, I believe the time since the page was protected is long enough for them to not vandalize again. Could you remove the semi protection on the page? MessageApp (talk) 23:57, 2 May 2024 (UTC)

Done. El_C 23:11, 3 May 2024 (UTC)

Lower protection of Dota 2

From what I’ve seen the game has declined in popularity, meaning it won’t be as much of a target for vandalism. Plus, edits on the page have even very infrequent and there hasn’t been much talk page vandalism. I suggest semi protection and maybe pending changes if semi is also overkill, but semi is probably the best thing to do for now. CharlieEdited (talk) 01:01, 3 May 2024 (UTC)

Done. El_C 23:12, 3 May 2024 (UTC)

Also do the same thing at Yuri Lowell. 🥒Greenish Pickle!🥒 (🔔) 13:31, 5 May 2024 (UTC)

Sorry, but for the most part, I prefer to only attend to such requests when they concern protections that I myself have imposed. I'd send you to that admin, but they are no longer one, so the venue to request that would be @WP:RFPP/D. HTH. El_C 17:59, 5 May 2024 (UTC)

Lower protection of Republican Party (United States)

The conversation has closed, with a consensus in favor of alphabetical order. Bettering the Wiki (talk) 21:20, 3 May 2024 (UTC)

Protection was already lowered for that page on 22:22, 1 May 2024. El_C 23:14, 3 May 2024 (UTC)

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UCLA protest articles extended confirmation

Hi, I am a prof at UCLA and user https://en.wikipedia.org/User:Kd9806 is my student (see userpage). The extended confirmation lock on the 2024 University of California, Los Angeles pro-Palestinian campus occupation is preventing her and many of my student editors who are newer but on the ground from contributing. Is it possible to make a case by case basis exception so some of them can edit? I assume you are an admin and have these privileges. Noopur28 (talk) 15:52, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

Hello. Briefly, requests to expedite the Extended confirmed tenure are made @Misplaced Pages:Requests for permissions/Extended confirmed. Yes, any admin may grant or decline these requests. El_C 18:31, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

I made a request to reduce protection. Any chance you could review it in there? There's a backlog :) Noopur28 (talk) 18:35, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

That page has no backlog currently. It doesn't even have any outstanding requests. My sense is that you would need more experience to qualify. Sorry, I'm writing in haste. El_C 18:47, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

Sorry, I'm very busy, but Noopur28, I mentioned Misplaced Pages:Requests for permissions/Extended confirmed, not a protection reduction. Regardless, no, I can't review it. The rule is that you gotta ask the protecting admin first, who is... *checking*... Daniel Case. But since this is a WP:PIA WP:ECR action, it's highly unlikely that that protection will be reduced. El_C 22:03, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

Request for remove edit lock

Please remove pp-30-500 Ahirwar Dhirendra Singh bundela (talk) 23:09, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

Sorry, no, that's a WP:CASTE protection. A topic area under special consideration. El_C 23:16, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

May music

story · music · places

On the bicentenary of Beethoven's Ninth Symphony, I remember our recent uplifting choral concert in pictures, on my user page and in my concerts (leading to the two at the church's article). --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:14, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

Today is the Feast of the Ascension for which Bach composed his oratorio, - perhaps watch a bit how the closing movement was performed in Bach's church. The second piece in our program begins with first line from Psalm 80, which made us sing "Israel" often. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:51, 9 May 2024 (UTC)

Magdalena Hinterdobler is on the Main page today, together with an opera that reviewers deemed not interesting and too obscure for our general readers. The soprano thought differently, - listen and see. - Also on the Main page: a TFA by sadly missed Vami_IV. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:17, 10 May 2024 (UTC)

did you listen and see? - today's story has a pic of a woman holding her cat, a DYK of 5 years ago - the recent pics show 2 orange tip butterflies --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:44, 14 May 2024 (UTC)

today's story mentions a concert I loved to hear and a piece I loved to sing in choir, 150 years old OTD. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:31, 22 May 2024 (UTC)

I enjoyed listening to Juliette Journaux for piano, thanks as always for the recommends! El_C 06:28, 25 May 2024 (UTC)

I liked her playing also, to the point. Today's story about Willi Brokmeier still needs support for RD. - "places" have goslings. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:01, 25 May 2024 (UTC)

29 May 1913: The Rite of Spring - today's story - Brokmeier is on the Main page also --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:59, 29 May 2024 (UTC)

Today's story is about Samuel Kummer, one of five items on the Main page - more musing on my talk --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:59, 30 May 2024 (UTC)

last offer in May: photos of the river Rhine, and the adjacent Eltville rose garden, - high water and interesting weather --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:59, 31 May 2024 (UTC)

U&A Reversion

Hello. I saw that you were involved with the reversion of my post on the “Universities and Antisemitism” page, specifically about MIT. I was wondering if you could provide me with some clarification on why my edit was reverted. I see that this page is protected, meaning one would have to be above 500 edits, but I am curious about the comment on Palestine-Israel articles. I understand that that these incidents at MIT have been influenced by the I-P conflict, but is there a way I can acknowledge that fact without being in violation of these rules? I would really appreciate any suggestions that could improve to fit Misplaced Pages standards. Thank you so much! Topiguana (talk) 16:45, 9 May 2024 (UTC)

Hi. I actually was not involved in any reversions and know little to nothing about those. Rather, I protected the page (link) in response to a protection request (link). Unfortunately, since you lack the required tenure (the extended confirmed one of 30 days and 500 edits), you cannot presently edit the article due these restrictions (WP:ECR). Restrictions the Arbitration Committee has imposed on the WP:PIA topic area. In short, this was a procedural protection that aligns with these rules. Sorry I don't have better news for you. Regards, El_C 17:30, 9 May 2024 (UTC)

So, Topiguana, either you are able to reach to the WP:XC tenure (which must happen organically) so that the WP:30-500 threshold is met, or WP:ECR only permits you to participate as follows (quoting): Non-extended-confirmed editors may use the "Talk:" namespace only to make edit requests related to articles within the topic area, provided they are not disruptive. El_C 17:37, 9 May 2024 (UTC)

This is super helpful, thanks so much! So sorry to make any false accusations, I was just looking at the edit history and wanted more information. Topiguana (talk) 18:21, 9 May 2024 (UTC)

Not at all, glad you found it informative. All the best, El_C 19:15, 9 May 2024 (UTC)

Question from Clovermoss

Hi El C, I have a question. I noticed what you did here. I was kind of ambivalent on whether or not I should revoke talk page access but the idea of protecting the page itself didn't occur to me. Is it because of the sockpuppetry? I'm still getting the hang of nuance surrounding admin stuff and I try to use confusing situations as learning opportunities. Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 10:12, 12 May 2024 (UTC)

Hey. So I revoked TPA because this user continued spamming after being indeffed. Only after that did I notice that they also replied to their own spam as an IP for some reason . So I also semiprotected, an action that, granted, renedres the TPA revocation moot. Anyway, since this is a spam-only account with less than 20 edits, my overall position is: who cares? Best wishes, El_C 10:28, 12 May 2024 (UTC)

Can you admin delete an edit from page history

Some new (apparently agenda-driven) user has realised they can't edit most Israel-Palestine related articles and so has decided to hit related ones. While most of this can/has just been removed, this edit is, well, read it yourself. A paragraph ranting about Israel being justified. Absolutely not appropriate to be hosted by Misplaced Pages even just in edit history. Kingsif (talk) 11:12, 12 May 2024 (UTC)

Sorry, in my view, that is not a suitable candidate for WP:REVDEL. But one's mileage may vary, so feel free to get a 2nd opinion. El_C 11:17, 12 May 2024 (UTC)

I'm a little surprised that wikivoice apologism for what is accepted as at least war crimes isn't suitable for deletion, to be honest, but thank you for considering. Kingsif (talk) 11:24, 12 May 2024 (UTC)

(talk page stalker)User:Kingsif, will tell me which section of Misplaced Pages:Revision deletion#Criteria for redaction you believe applies to the linked diff? Sorry User:El C for taking your space to ask the question. BusterD (talk) 16:43, 12 May 2024 (UTC)

Sure, no.2 - using wikivoice to present apologism for at least war crimes, seems to me as Grossly insulting, degrading, or offensive material. Regardless of whatever side of any particular conflict, any comment anywhere that tries justifying what are widely considered war crimes is just so out of line.

What makes it cross the line, for me, is the presentation of this comment in wikivoice as if it's authoritative. I mean, the content was not relevant at the article and had a poor source anyway, but say it was relevant and well-sourced, saying "organisations X and Y think..." is good. But not wikivoice saying it. And, beyond NPOV as I see it, there are likely to be some affected people who would take that as Misplaced Pages, as a large organisation, taking an offensive stance. Kingsif (talk) 16:56, 12 May 2024 (UTC)

Deleting my userpage?

Hullo El_C, long time no interact! Sorry to be a bother, but I'm writing this to ask if there's a way you or another administrator may "delete" my user page? Looking back, I'm quite uncomfortable with how I revealed both my general location and age in previous revisions (what happens when you're young, dumb, and very dumb!) and was wondering if there was a way for the edit history to be deleted? Or at least not publicly available for other contributors to see? Hope you're having a nice day, many thanks :) Sisuvia (talk) 07:50, 15 May 2024 (UTC)

Hey Sisuvia, sorry I missed you. But it looks like someone else helped you with that request. Hope all is well. Yours, El_C 22:10, 18 May 2024 (UTC)

Allison McAtee article

@El C Hi, just thought I should let you know, the user you blocked from editing that article didn't waste any time making another account so they could keep removing information. This time claiming it's a request from the actress. Which I highly doubt. Is is possible for you to prevent that page from being edited not only from accounts that haven't made many edits, but also from IPs since even if an editor gets blocked, they could also log out and make edits? Kcj5062 (talk) 23:03, 22 May 2024 (UTC)

Got it. Thanks, Kcj5062. El_C 23:11, 22 May 2024 (UTC)

Good News & Bad News

Hi. I just wanted to let you know that:

• Bad News: The "lulzsters" struck Tony Ferguson once again, despite a long history of protection settings in the page log. Can you protect the page for even a longer period?
• Good News: The coast is clear from little T the disambiguation page for a couple of years now. However, I could not chat with the protecting admin due to their prolonged inactivity on Misplaced Pages. Is it ok for you instead to reset pending changes?

In conclusion, sorry for disturbing you.197.2.14.219 (talk) 20:16, 23 May 2024 (UTC)

Hi. I don't know who little T is, but it looks like I protected Tony Ferguson back in 2022. It was protected by another admin earlier in 2024 (an admin who is active now, or was a few of hours ago, at least). Doesn't matter, I see that there's a lot of disruption to the page, so sure: Semi-protected for a period of 6 months, after which the page will be automatically unprotected. El_C 01:48, 24 May 2024 (UTC)

Thank you very much in advance! As for little T, it is currently pending-protected indefinitely. My concern is: there are barely any edits, whether anonymous or autoconfirmed, which defeats the purpose of protecting such disambiguation page beyond this point. Do you mind reseting pending changes?197.2.14.219 (talk) 01:59, 24 May 2024 (UTC)

No problem. Yeah, that's odd about that disambiguation page, but reset it to what end? It hasn't been edited in years, so I don't think it really matters. El_C 02:03, 24 May 2024 (UTC)

Hi. Can you look after special:history/nickelodeon on CBS for a while? I once reverted an edit under another IP address but that revision persisted on coming back. At this point, I am uncertain who on earth is right. Furthermore, I am unwilling to get involved again to contribute for the time being due to excessive false accusations by this user for being a WP:SOCK of WP:LTA/TVFT (just because I showed up in WP:RFPP under the 197.::/16 range and/or the 102.::/16 range). Please keep an eye on the page history and decide which is best.197.3.236.189 (talk) 17:44, 26 May 2024 (UTC)

Hi again, IP. Unfortunately, I can't spare the time to investigate this, but ohnoitsjamie (this user) is an experienced admin, so you might wish to try to explain yourself better to him, or submit a query to WP:ANI if you truly believe it to be a legit (and intractable) problem. Sorry I couldn't be of more help, but here's hoping the matter gets resolved amicably. Regards, El_C 21:47, 26 May 2024 (UTC)

With the tone he uses to respond to my complaints or in his edit summaries:

• special:diff/1178752518
• special:diff/1129084008
• special:diff/1225468207
• special:diff/1225159203

I don't think it is worth bringing such issue to WP:ANI. Plus, I am still unwilling to sign up. My only solution is to bear such situation and take a break (even for up to 3 months, one of my blocked former IP ranges).

He may be one of the majority of, if not all, admins who would disbelieve how my editing behaviour differs from the telly vandal(s), aside from the IP ranges which I've mentioned earlier that I edit with (I don't literally hop from one range to another, it is just the poor quality of my internet connection which periodically disconnects, and that every reconnection comes with a different IP address under those IP ranges without the possibility of enforcing a static IP address).

• I don't blank notices on my talk pages.
• I leave edit summaries occassionally, including a period at the end.
• I may revert to my revision, but not to the extent of warring (User talk:197.3.156.48).

Signed.197.3.236.189 (talk) 23:33, 26 May 2024 (UTC)

Confused

Hi El C, What's the edit summary about? Jeraxmoira🐉 (talk) 06:09, 24 May 2024 (UTC)

Hello. It is about you being mindful with your edits, as stated. El_C 06:12, 24 May 2024 (UTC)

Oh, I just noticed the diffs. Sorry, there was no edit conflict warning when I published. Jeraxmoira🐉 (talk) 06:18, 24 May 2024 (UTC)

No worries, these things happen. El_C 06:18, 24 May 2024 (UTC)

MEK moderation

Hi El C: I know you stepped away from moderating MEK discussions, but I wonder if you are still considering this kind of work? If not, I'll note it and make sure I don't ping you again about this. If you are up for it, I'm workshopping an RFC in the talk page, and I would appreciate any uninvoved feedback to make it fair. Whatever the result is, I would like to avoid a "Bad RFC" outcome. Thank you. Best, MarioGom (talk) 14:41, 24 May 2024 (UTC)

Hey Mario. I'm afraid that's a not. I helped establish WP:GS/IRANPOL so that I never have to do that again. But I wish you success in your efforts. Regards, El_C 15:44, 24 May 2024 (UTC)

Makes sense. Best, MarioGom (talk) 15:50, 24 May 2024 (UTC)

Care and feeding of bots

Hi El, A comment from the busybody in residence, regarding this bit of house keeping: the bot was only waiting for three requests to become eligible for archiving, which would have happened at 14:38 (UTC). The reason why it wasn't willing to do its chore before was the absence of a {{pagelinks}} at the top of the section. I added one, pro forma, a little while ago. Favonian (talk) 14:31, 25 May 2024 (UTC)

Thanks, Favonian. I thought the bot had gained sentience and did that to fuck with me, but your explanation is better! El_C 16:58, 25 May 2024 (UTC)

My signature

I find this funny more than anything, but can you eleborate by what makes my signature being “jarring”? I would be up to redesigning it. I made it three years ago when I pretty much never edited. -1ctinus📝🗨 15:14, 25 May 2024 (UTC)

I'm not engaging with this. El_C 16:58, 25 May 2024 (UTC)

Laken Riley

Hello again! You and I had a brief discussion yesterday when I asked for an article about Laken Riley's killing to be semi-protected. It seems that even after the protection, multiple editors have been insistent on calling it a "murder", and one of them even moved the page to Murder of Laken Riley, in violation of Misplaced Pages:Naming conventions (violence and deaths). There is a discussion on the Talk page going on about this, and since you were involved in this area when you and I talked yesterday, I think the discussion on the Talk page could use your valuable input. Thank you. Gottagotospace (talk) 12:56, 26 May 2024 (UTC)

Hey, I see it's now been moved back. I'm gonna move-protect it momentarily (WP:RM only) so as at to remove all temptation. El_C 21:43, 26 May 2024 (UTC)

Thanks! If you'd like to contribute, I think your input on the language used on the rest of the page could benefit from your input as well (since I changed a few instances of the word "murder" to other things, but that got reverted by someone else). We're discussing it on the Talk page. Gottagotospace (talk) 22:01, 26 May 2024 (UTC)

No problem, but sorry, no time. El_C 22:03, 26 May 2024 (UTC)

No worries! I figured I might as well ask, but I understand. Gottagotospace (talk) 22:06, 26 May 2024 (UTC)

Paula Vennells - FP

Hi El_C. There is no reason given on the article talk page (or anywhere else I can see that justifies the Full Protection). It is a controversial subject article, but that in itself, does not warrant full protection. I understood that a rationale for article full protection on the talk page or elsewhere is required? Can you please review or add something to the TP? Leaky caldron (talk) 21:02, 26 May 2024 (UTC)

The protection notice can be viewed at the following RfPP diff. The reason should be self-explanatory: an edit war between like 8 users. Sorry, I can't spare the time today for an additional note, but feel free to link my answer here if you think it might help. El_C 21:42, 26 May 2024 (UTC)

I disagree that the disruption meets the criteria for full protection. There is next to no current activity on the article or talk page. The participant you mentioned has not recently contributed. I think if you are willing, it would be appropriate to review the protection in light of the narrow area of dispute and current limited level of disruption. Thanks. Leaky caldron (talk) 07:18, 27 May 2024 (UTC)

I count nearly 20 reverts in the 2 days alone prior to my full protection, so, no, that makes no sense and is wholly divorced from the facts. Obviously, current would not include the 2 days that it's been fully-protected since, when no one could edit the page aside from admins (fulfilling edit requests) and bots (with sysop permissions). I honestly am at a loss here. El_C 07:34, 27 May 2024 (UTC)

RE: The participant you mentioned has not recently contributed — I didn't mention any participants, but if you mean the requestor of that protection request, they did indeed edit (revert) the article recently, less than an hour prior to my protecting it. And their revert itself was reverted 6 minutes later (9:22-9:28), which is a bit longer than the 4 minutes between reverts prior to these (9:18-9:22).

Diff: 9:22, 25 May 2024 Gaia Octavia Agrippa (talk | contribs | block) Reverted 1 edit by Localhistorian2024 (talk): WP:NPOV

Diff: 9:28, 25 May 2024 Localhistorian2024 (talk | contribs | block) The London Gazette has stated...

Diff: 10:11, 25 May 2024 El C (talk | contribs | block) Protected "Paula Vennells": Edit warring / content dispute ( (expires 14:11, 29 May 2024 (UTC)) (expires 14:11, 29 May 2024 (UTC)))

So obviously the facts align with my description rather than your own. Facts which are provable and easily verifiable (per directly above). El_C 08:15, 27 May 2024 (UTC)

Lowering Protection Level on Ebrahim Raisi

Hi EL_C. I was wondering when you will lower the protection level on Ebrahim Raisi since it is no longer a highly visible page. ImTheAvidPheasant (talk) 13:54, 28 May 2024 (UTC)

Hey. Done, thanks for the reminder. Still, noting as of earlier today it is no longer listed at WP:ITN. So that's keeping it pretty tight, but I think it's probably fine (unless famous last jinx). El_C 14:31, 28 May 2024 (UTC)

Prosecution of Donald Trump in New York

Hello! On March 31, 2023, you semi-protected Indictment of Donald Trump (now a redirect) under WP:AP2. This then went to New York Indictment of Donald Trump (redirect), then First indictment of Donald Trump (redirect), then Prosecution of Donald Trump in New York, and back then forth again with New York Indictment of Donald Trump to remain at the current title. As it has been over a year since the original sanction, I would like to ask if you would be willing to reconsider the page protection placed upon the page (and by extension the other pages listed). EggRoll97 02:35, 31 May 2024 (UTC)

Unprotected. Regards, El_C 18:14, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

Revdel request Mexico

Hello! Do you mind if I ask for a revdel on this abominably sexist edit: on 2024 Mexican general election? The offending user has been warned on talk by someone but I have doubts on whether the warning was serious enough. I was also considering page protection but the edit seems to occur every three weeks or so, so the request might not be granted. Thanks! Borgenland (talk) 03:18, 1 June 2024 (UTC)

Done. Regards, El_C 18:16, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

June music

story · music · places

Today's story is about the TFA, by sadly missed Vami_IV. In my support in 2018, I hoped to do justice to Schloss Köthen next - which I will begin today, finally, promised. Its Bachsaal was pictured to begin the year. For more related thoughts and music, look on my talk for 1 June. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:14, 1 June 2024 (UTC)

Franz Kafka died 100 years ago OTD, hence the story. I uploaded a few pics from the visit of Graham87. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:30, 3 June 2024 (UTC)

Today's story is about a tune used by Bach and Mozart, and Bach's text is base on Psalm 12. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:56, 9 June 2024 (UTC)

Today is "the day" for James Joyce, also for Bach's fourth chorale cantata, based on a hymn based on Psalm 6 (and why does it come before the third?) - the new pics have a mammal I had to look up. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:04, 16 June 2024 (UTC)

Says Nutria, but maybe Muskrat? Groundhog? Capybara? Also, when the last time you've read Ulysses cover to cover? El_C 13:14, 17 June 2024 (UTC)

I looked at the other two, and groundhog (high mountains) and capybara (much bigger) are out. The habitat described in nutria matched where I saw it, right next to the river, in the middle of town btw, and ignoring me. - Joyce: never. Tough enough for native English speakers. I read what Graham Waterhouse set to music ("Bulbulone" from Finnegans Wake, "Arise" from Chamber Music, #14, "Buzzard" again from Finnegans Wake), who was also inspired by today's birthday child. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:25, 17 June 2024 (UTC)

A river in the middle of town? What town was this again? *** Yeah, understandable, no doubt a tough read. I personally am not a fan. El_C 13:32, 17 June 2024 (UTC)

Geilnau lies along the Lahn, northern side, and the trail is along the Lahn, and where I saw the animal was in the middle of the trail, well, yes, there's a little park on the other side of the trail. The road to Geilnau is a dead-end, which makes the valley quiet, with the train tracks in a tunnel in a distance. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:36, 17 June 2024 (UTC)

Either Nutria or Muskrat, then. All four are originally from the Americas, but those two were introduced into Eurasia. Capybara (which was a joke nomination) is South America only, while Groundhog—see my petting one at the top of this talk page (though maybe it's actually a Muskrat!)—is North America only. El_C 15:47, 17 June 2024 (UTC)

New pics of food and flowers come with the story of Noye's Fludde (premiered on 18 June), written by Brian Boulton. I nominated Éric Tappy because he died, and it needs support today! I nominated another women for GA in the Women in Green June run, - review welcome, and more noms planned. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:25, 18 June 2024 (UTC)

The nom for Tappy has now a lot of support, but needs an admin to post it. Anybody looking here? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:00, 18 June 2024 (UTC)

Today is a feast day for which Bach composed a chorale cantata in 1724 (and we had a DYK about it in 2012). Can't believe that Jodie Devos had to die, - don't miss her video from the Opéra-Comique at the end, - story to come. The weekend brought plenty of music sung (one based on Psalm 100 and one based on Psalm 96) and listened to, and some of it is reflected in the last two stories! + pics of good food with good company --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:04, 24 June 2024 (UTC)

the sad story today --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:43, 26 June 2024 (UTC)

Jordan

Hello, I just noticed the Jordan article had been placed under indef ECP in April, could you please tell me why this was done? Noting that there was an ARBCOM ruling that stated the Jordan article does not fall under ARBPIA, and also that there was not much disruption to the article beyond a single week in April. Makeandtoss (talk) 14:08, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

Hey. So when attending to your protection request, I saw excessive ARBPIA editing (disruptive or otherwise) by non-WP:XC accounts. That's the reason. As for that 2018 AE discussion: for our immediate purposes, it's somewhat academic whether the protection defines Jordan as a primary article or as related content. There's also the issue of that page having been protected over 25 times prior. For the longer term, though, there could be a case to downgrade it to (indef) semi as related content only, say, in a few months from now. El_C 18:08, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

a very cute duck

	a very cute duck
	I just felt kind today ;P Daisytheduck (talk) 02:58, 12 June 2024 (UTC)

Thank you for the duck, Daisytheduck! El_C 13:15, 17 June 2024 (UTC)

Subject

Thank you El_C for closing the (Botola) page due to repeated vandalism. if possible, close it in general from fake accounts. زكرياء نوير (talk) 12:57, 17 June 2024 (UTC)

No problem, glad I could help, زكرياء نوير. If further issues arise, feel free to relist at WP:RFPP/I or drop me a note here. El_C 13:16, 17 June 2024 (UTC)

user:El_C The page has been vandalized again. Please close it permanently زكرياء نوير (talk) 00:29, 23 June 2024 (UTC)

Semi-protected for a period of 2 weeks, after which the page will be automatically unprotected. Permanent protection often gets imposed after dozens of previous protection actions (of escalated durations) over the course of years had proven insufficient. So this page isn't a candidate for that at this time, I'm afraid, since this is only its second protection. El_C 06:46, 23 June 2024 (UTC)

It's okay. I want you see it again in two weeks, to see if it was vandalized زكرياء نوير (talk) 12:25, 23 June 2024 (UTC)

Honestly, I'm unlikely to remember unless given a reminder. But, again, feel free to drop me a line if there's further problems, and it'll be, I dunno, 2 months next, and many months after that. Unlike some admins, I don't usually allow a page to be protected tens of times before making it indef (permanent), but it still won't be twice or thrice from now. El_C 12:46, 23 June 2024 (UTC)

There is nothing wrong with making the page permanently protected if it is always vulnerable due to frequent modifications, thank you زكرياء نوير (talk) 12:51, 23 June 2024 (UTC)

Requests for indef protections for pages of similar and even higher levels of disruption are extremely common, but the protection policy's ethos stresses exhausting all options, and within reason, going through the motions. Which I'm not really the biggest fan of, but I can't act by fiat contra that unless there's something truly egregious. El_C 12:59, 23 June 2024 (UTC)

National Party (Ireland, 2016)

Hiya, you asked for a reminder to restore the page's indef semi protection once the full protection lapses. Here you are! Boardwalk.Koi (talk) 14:47, 20 June 2024 (UTC)

Beat me to it! :-) Bastun 15:04, 20 June 2024 (UTC)

Done — thanks for the reminder, guys! El_C 00:38, 22 June 2024 (UTC)

My signature

Thank you for reminding me to add my signature to my comments. Somehow, I forgot to do it in that ArbCom discussion because usually, when commenting on an article talk page, the website automatically provides our signature for us. I have just added the {{unsigned}} template to each of them. Thank you. 🙂 — Kaalakaa 23:51, 21 June 2024 (UTC)

No worries, thanks for following up. I didn't realize that was a thing, but that makes sense. Incidentally, some have taken umbrage to my is annoying reminder, but the truth is that I'm annoying about sigs in general. At least once monthly, seemingly. Oh well. Regards, El_C 00:34, 22 June 2024 (UTC)

Edit request

Hello. You semi protected the page on the 2024 Dagestan attack for a number of days, and its talk page is also semi-protected.

Previously, consistent with the wp norm, the first line of that article began contained bolded language. In this case, saying:

"On 23 June 2024, the 2024 Dagestan attack took place, when coordinated terrorist attacks were launched ..."

That has now been changed. It now says "On 23 June 2024, coordinated terrorist attacks were launched ..." There is no bolded language in the lede, matching the title. And I cannot fix that, or ask on the article talk page that it be fixed, as those pages are semi-protected.

Can you please restore the former format, consistent with out norms across the project?

I leave my request here as I am unable to do so on the article talk page, given that it has been semi-protected. 2603:7000:2101:AA00:78CD:917F:7124:8DC3 (talk) 03:40, 25 June 2024 (UTC)

Hi. Sorry, I'm precluded from doing that due to WP:UNINVOLVED. You can submit that request to Misplaced Pages:Requests for page protection/Edit, though. HTH. El_C 04:48, 25 June 2024 (UTC)

Request renewing a block for persistent BATTLEGROUND

I'd rather not go through ANI all over again when an editor immediately returned to the behavior that got them blocked there previously. In short, Elinruby has continued their personal attacks and other BATTLEGROUND tactics across multiple discussions both on- and off-Wiki since their most recent block. When I reverted a removal of content on 2021 Canadian church burnings, they

1. Twice again removed the content
2. Initiated a talk page discussion mischaracterizing me as claiming Portland is in Canada, a false statement they repeated on their talk page
3. Opened a discussion at WP:NPOVN only 15 minutes after discussion began on the article talk page, but used such a non-neutral statement that it had to be reverted
4. Began a further eight different talk sections on the article talk page
5. Wrote crickets when I didn't have time to immediately respond, following up with this when I finally had a moment to begin catching up

They've also taken to posting numerous discussions at NPOVN and RSN recently, including at least one where they admitted to not even reading the source they were reporting (I didn't actually check the text). Another editor has also recently complained regarding Elinruby's behavior. I request you restore the block with an escalated duration. ~ Pbritti (talk) 02:55, 27 June 2024 (UTC)

Pass! Sorry, at this time above all else, I can't commit to the follow ups, certainly if blocking was determined the correct course of action. So noticeboard does seem like your best bet (such as it is, but what can you do?). El_C 09:03, 27 June 2024 (UTC)

Derby Subj

Hi El_C this Casablanca derby needs to be closed after the continuous destruction, thank you. Ji Soôo97 (talk) 01:43, 1 July 2024 (UTC)

July music

story · music · places

The story is today about the first published composition by Arnold Schönberg which I was blessed to hear. Listen, and perhaps read what Alma Mahler (to-be-Mahler at the time, to be precise, who was present at the first performance) said, and yes that was too much for the Main page ;) -- Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:23, 1 July 2024 (UTC)

Today's story is about a Bach cantata premiered 300 years ago OTD. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:28, 2 July 2024 (UTC)

3 July is the birthday of Leoš Janáček, and I'm happy I had a meaningful DYK in 2021. It's also the birthday of Franz Kafka, and I uploaded pics from his family's album seen in Berlin. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:30, 3 July 2024 (UTC)

Libuše Domanínská, the subject of yesterday's story, would have turned 100 today, but I missed that ;) - Overnight, Tamara Milashkina became GA and Lando Bartolini went to the Main page. I made my story about his almost unbelievable career, from Luigi in Il tabarro in Philadelphia in 1968 (with a nod to Liberty) up to Calaf in Turandot in Beijing in 1999 ;) - 4 July is also the birthday of Brian Boulton who was a pioneer of a concise infobox in 2013. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:10, 4 July 2024 (UTC)

Pictured on the Main page: Brian's Mozart family grand tour, my story today, and Mozart related to all three items of music on my talk: our 2023 concert, an opera in a theatre where a Mozart premiere took place, and those remembered, Martti Wallén, a bass, and Liana Isakadze, a violinist from Georgia, (whose article would be better with more details about her music-making). --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:05, 9 July 2024 (UTC)

Found a bit more. Today's story is about her, an outstanding violinist from Georgia, which is a sad story in the end. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:52, 11 July 2024 (UTC)

My story today is - because of the anniversary of the premiere OTD in 1782 - about Die Entführung aus dem Serail, opera by Mozart, while yesterday's was - because of the TFA - about Les contes d'Hoffmann, opera by Offenbach, - so 3 times Mozart again if you click on "music" ;) - and a small deer pictured in the new pics --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:50, 16 July 2024 (UTC)

Today's story is Hevenu shalom aleichem, in honour of the friend from Israel whose birthday is today. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:19, 18 July 2024 (UTC)

Today's story is about a photographer who took iconic pictures, especially View from Williamsburg, Brooklyn, on Manhattan, 9/11, yesterday's was a great mezzo, and on Thursday we watched a sublime ballerina. If that's not enough my talk offers the chamber music from two amazing concerts. The latest pics have a juxtaposition of cattle (moving their ears at a wild speed) and their meat on a plate - a bit cruel perhaps. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:55, 20 July 2024 (UTC)

... and today's story begins with Psalm 124, paraphrased in 1524, and put to five (!) chorale settings in 1724, for this Sunday. Nominated for GA. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:36, 21 July 2024 (UTC)

Remove protection from Big N' Tasty

I see no reason for the page to continue being protected since there is no controversy or anything surrounding it unlike with some other food items. Plus, edits are so infrequent that protection is most likely useless. Maybe if vandalism returns there could be some pending changes or maybe semi, but there’s no way a 5-year-long ECP is worth it anymore. CharlieEdited (talk) 01:59, 8 July 2024 (UTC)

It was an LTA years-long obsession (not just with this page) rather than real-world controversy or incident. Anyway Unprotected. El_C 06:05, 8 July 2024 (UTC)

Remove protection

Hi ELC, After opened the page Botola after you closed it for a week, it was vandalized again. Can you close it permanently. 160.177.131.79 (talk) 14:30, 9 July 2024 (UTC)

Profile syntax

Hello! I'm cleaning up various pages with tracked syntax errors and ran across your userpage this evening. Wondered if you'd be willing to update it with these changes to correct the misnested and obsolete tag issues? If these meet your approval, you can copy the entirety (minus the first two lines) here for simplicity. Best wishes, and hope you are staying cool this hot summer! Zinnober9 (talk) 05:36, 17 July 2024 (UTC)

Done — thank you for your diligence. Best, El_C 09:57, 17 July 2024 (UTC)

List of highest grossing films protection

Hi, I asked you a question here, but I don't know if you saw the ping, can you give back to the page the EC protection? Thanks. Today another edit was reverted to a registered user--Luke Stark 96 (talk) 17:05, 24 July 2024 (UTC)

Hey. No, I didn't see it, but you should not edit archives (from a year ago and in general), since those discussions are no longer live. Sorry, but a single user (now blocked) is not enough for WP:ECP that would effect many. And I don't have the time to look into this in depth, sort of in-the-blind, as I don't remember much about this page a year ago. El_C 18:56, 24 July 2024 (UTC)

But it is not only a user, I told you about also in December 2023, there are many reverted edits from registered users, you can see some of them here, but there are another without the tag. Since the user that asked you to reduce the protection didn't know anything about the page situation, I think that is pretty unfair, for months me, Betty Logan and other users have to revert many edits because of that, so maybe you can put back the ECP even without knowing the page too much, like that user did in September 2023, if you "accepted" that request from a user that doesn't follow, doesn't edit and doesn't know the page, you can trust me, one of the main contributor, when I say that the page still needs the ECP, thanks--Luke Stark 96 (talk) 19:11, 24 July 2024 (UTC)

Sure, let's see what Betty Logan says (I see you've notified her of this). Sorry, I've protected many hundreds of pages since then, so again, I simply do not recall any of these details. El_C 20:04, 24 July 2024 (UTC)

There is currently an underlying issue with Box-Office Mojo double-counting re-release grosses. This has led to many editors "correcting" figures to incorrect values. These edits are carried out entirely in good faith, but they do generally come from newer, more inexperienced editors who are not familiar with the issue. We are tracking the problem at Misplaced Pages:WikiProject_Film/Film_finance_task_force#Box_Office_Mojo which most of the regular Film project editors are familiar with. I think extending the protection would probably help. It would mean that new/inexperienced editors would need to request the change on the talk page where the problem could be explained to them (if applicable). I don't think it would be detrimental to updating the article because it has several dedicated editors from a wide geographic span. Betty Logan (talk) 10:03, 25 July 2024 (UTC)

Done — thank you both. El_C 15:37, 25 July 2024 (UTC)

List of CNN Personnel vandal

Hey, El C!

A couple days ago you protected List of CNN personnel after an Israeli IP vandal engaged in several days of constant vandalism. Well, the protection is off and he's back. Would you mind taking look cat the situation and see what might be done? He's IP-hopping, so a range block, maybe? You know what's best. Thanks for any help! Drmargi (talk) 02:55, 5 August 2024 (UTC)

August music

story · music · places

Today I have two "musicians" on the Main page, one is also the topic of my story, watch and listen, - I like today's especially because you see him at work, hear him talk about his work and the result of his work - rare! -- Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:08, 7 August 2024 (UTC)

... and a third, like 22 July but with interview and the music to be played today --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:23, 8 August 2024 (UTC)

On 13 August, Bach's cantata was 300 years old, and the image one. The cantata is an extrordinary piece, using the chorale's text and famous melody more than others in the cycle. It's nice to have not only a recent death, but also this "birthday" on the Main page. And a rainbow in my places. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:54, 13 August 2024 (UTC)

... adding 4 animals from 30 July --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:48, 18 August 2024 (UTC)

Hey. Thank you. Sorry for my absence. Hope to be back soon, though. All the best, El_C 12:31, 6 September 2024 (UTC)

IP vandalism again

Ip Special:Contributions/103.131.213.43 and Special:Contributions/103.131.212.131 are vandalizing movie pages by changing budget and boxoffice numbers. You blocked IP Special:Contributions/103.131.213.151 and all these IPs come from one person. I think a block on a range will be helpful. RangersRus (talk) 11:33, 8 August 2024 (UTC)

Happy First Edit Day!

Happy First Edit Day! Hi El C! On behalf of the Birthday Committee, I'd like to wish you a very happy anniversary of the day you made your first edit and became a Wikipedian! The Herald (Benison) (talk) 07:01, 9 August 2024 (UTC)

Invitation to join the Twenty Year Society

Dear El C,

I'd like to extend a cordial invitation to you to join the Twenty Year Society, an informal group for editors who've been participating in the Misplaced Pages project for twenty years or more. ​

Best regards, The Herald (Benison) (talk) 07:02, 9 August 2024 (UTC)

— The Herald (Benison) (talk) 07:02, 9 August 2024 (UTC)

Unblocking from editing

Why did you unblock me from editing? Countscarter (talk) 03:34, 14 August 2024 (UTC)

That didn't happen. El_C 12:31, 6 September 2024 (UTC)

One of the saddest songs I know

"The Lost Ones", by Ted Hawkins. Narky Blert (talk) 16:34, 1 September 2024 (UTC)

Hey. More Ted Hawkins, nice. But, sorry, I am denying sadness for the moment (somehow). Hope you've been well. Best wishes, El_C 12:35, 6 September 2024 (UTC)

Question about a close

Hi El C. In your close here you used the phrase with prejudice. This wording has come up in a few different places I've seen regarding appeals and so I was just wondering what you meant by it. Thanks, Barkeep49 (talk) 21:02, 6 September 2024 (UTC)

Hey. This is over a year ago, but probably aligning with such comments as Hell no and reconsider after the heat death of the universe, and so on. HTH. El_C 21:56, 6 September 2024 (UTC)

While I have no eagerness to see this person unblocked (probably ever) it's been taken by a few admins to mean that the person can literally never appeal again, which strikes me as beyond the consensus of that conversation (and truthfully likely beyond policy consensus, at least as policy is written). Was it your intent to permanently close all future appeals? Barkeep49 (talk) 22:03, 6 September 2024 (UTC)

No, no, that was not my intent. I think at the time I was just, like, fuck that guy. But I agree with what you say and, in any case, I would not have stood in the way of any future appeals. El_C 22:18, 6 September 2024 (UTC)

Thanks. I certainly can't argue with the sentiment you had at the time. Best, Barkeep49 (talk) 22:20, 6 September 2024 (UTC)

Request to reconsider a close on "with prejudice"

Hi El C. I know it's been a while, but you closed Misplaced Pages:Administrators'_noticeboard/Archive351#Unblock_request_of_Cognition, and since then I think the impact of your wording has been perhaps broader than intended. Your wording stated that the appeal was denied "with prejudice." While I understand the sentiment of the thread was that this user was unwelcome, the "with prejudice" wording suggests that we will never, ever unban them. While that might be true, it might not be, and telling someone to never come back just encourages sockpuppeting. This has created a problem at UTRS where it's unclear if this user can appeal at all. So in the interest of resolving this issue, I wonder if you might reconsider your choice of wording in the close. I don't think the community has authorized the sort of decision to permaban people without any further chance of appeal. CaptainEek ⚓ 20:25, 13 September 2024 (UTC)

Hello. Please refer to the (now main) thread directly above, which I feel suffices for this singular incidence. If you need more from me, let me know. El_C 02:36, 14 September 2024 (UTC)

@El C Ah, my bad, I didn't see that @Barkeep49 had also raised the issue. CaptainEek ⚓ 06:19, 14 September 2024 (UTC)

@CaptainEek and Barkeep49: To expand a bit (sorry, been pressed for time recently), I think there are ways in which future appeals can be limited by a closing admin in the course of a consensus for a CBAN, which is when reoccurring appeals are the subject of that consensus expressly. I've done this before. Two years probably tops (five unlikely). Indef denial of considering appeals is possible, but that'd be the exclusive domain of ARBCOM (project-wise, of course it could also happen at the Foundation level). This was reflexive on my part, which I do regret in so far as it inconveniencing my colleagues. And for that I apologize, Deepfriedokra, Jpgordon, and Yamla. Yours truly, El_C 06:54, 15 September 2024 (UTC)

Thanks y'all. Pinging @JBW who was very articulate at utrs. -- Deepfriedokra (talk) 09:30, 15 September 2024 (UTC)

Thanks sorry to put you all through that. I guess that now means I get to (reluctantly) carry his appeal to the community-- but not on a Sunday, for that is my day of prayer. -- Deepfriedokra (talk) 09:35, 15 September 2024 (UTC)

September music

story · music · places

Today is Schoenberg's 150th birthday! On display his portrait by Egon Schiele, music from Moses und Aron, and two DYK hooks, one from 2010 and another from 2014; the latter, about his 40th birthday, appeared on his 140th birthday ;) - See places for a stunning sunrise, on the day Bruckner's 200th birthday was celebrated (just a few days late). -- Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:52, 13 September 2024 (UTC)

My story today is about a man who played jazz when it was banned by the Nazis, - you can listen to how they played it later. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:53, 17 September 2024 (UTC)

My story today features a pic I took from my position in the choir, I can also offer varied delightful music, some from Venice, also with pics I took, - note the rose in the clarinet ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:22, 25 September 2024 (UTC)

Abdul Hannan

Hello, could you protect this deletion query so that only self-confirmed editors participate and not anonymous IPs. Thank you. Alon9393 (talk) 07:57, 15 September 2024 (UTC)

Sorry, I'm declining your request, Alon9393. One disruptive user (now indef blocked) is insufficient grounds for protection (i.e. there needs to be a few). El_C 14:26, 17 September 2024 (UTC)

Edward Windsor, Lord Downpatrick

Hello there! I'm just reaching out to inform you that troll editors are back trying to mess with this page, since the protections were recently taken down. They removed a more recent picture of the guy to use an image from nearly 20 years ago, and I worry that there may be more vandalization to come.

Could you restore the protection template please? I'm happy to update the image again, if needed, and stay on the lookout for disruptive editing. Thanks so much. Doctorstrange617 (talk) 16:28, 1 October 2024 (UTC)

It looks like someone deleted the more recent image altogether actually. Not sure why, since there's no justification for it... Doctorstrange617 (talk) 16:33, 1 October 2024 (UTC)

October music

story · music · places

You may remember Maryvonne Le Dizès, my story today as on 28 August. Some September music was unusual: last compositions and eternal light, with Ligeti mentioned in story and music. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:57, 3 October 2024 (UTC)

I made Leif Segerstam my big story today. -Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:06, 16 October 2024 (UTC)

My story today is a cantata 300 years old, based on a hymn 200 years old when the cantata was composed, based on a psalm some thousand years old, - so said the 2015 DYK hook. I had forgotten the discussion on the talk. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:17, 20 October 2024 (UTC)

Happy whatever you celebrate today, - more who died, more to come, and they made the world richer. Greetings from Madrid where I took the pic of assorted Cucurbita in 2016. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:52, 31 October 2024 (UTC)

Question

Hi, El C. Regarding the "pointless addition" edit summary, can you suggest what I could have done differently here? I started a talk page discussion elaborating on this, but it seems that my approach was not good enough here. Do you suggest a more descriptive edit summary? Thank you. Mellk (talk) 15:39, 18 October 2024 (UTC)

Hello. It doesn't touch on that being the prevailing convention. You need to address that directly. El_C 15:43, 18 October 2024 (UTC)

Oh, I see. Makes sense, I should have referred to something like MOS:REDUNDANCY or MOS:AVOIDBOLD then. Thanks for clarifying. Mellk (talk) 15:48, 18 October 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for the info

Hello @El C thank you for the reply and the info in the post and don't worry for writing in haste, I was thinking that page was intended for quick comments which is why I didn't contribute when I initially saw the post. Thanks for the info you provided I'm gonna try and see what I can do about it. Galdrack (talk) 20:25, 19 October 2024 (UTC)

You're welcome, Galdrack, glad I could help. Good luck. El_C 20:30, 19 October 2024 (UTC)

Galdrack, in the interest of completeness, I forget if you commented at the latest ANI report (permalink), but I ended up blocking Steven indefinitely (diff). Hope this message finds you well. Best, El_C 20:31, 21 October 2024 (UTC)

@El C I was watching it but never got the time to write out my full opinion on the matter, in the end it wasn't needed I suppose. Thanks for letting me know and thanks for the help! Galdrack (talk) 21:14, 21 October 2024 (UTC)

Ukrainian election vandalism

Hello! Unfortunately, the user I mentioned at WP:ANI#IP user re-adding unsubstantiated dates for next Ukrainian elections, whom you partially blocked for two weeks, appears to be back under the new IP User:109.245.225.6; they are continuing the pattern of inserting 2025 as the next election date with no source and the edit summary "election proposed". I've reverted the latest edits again - the three articles affected are 2019 Ukrainian presidential election, 2019 Ukrainian parliamentary election, and next Ukrainian parliamentary election.

Thank you for your help! Helpful Cat (talk) 15:21, 21 October 2024 (UTC)

Sorry, I've just noticed that the same thing was done on Next Ukrainian presidential election, which I have reverted as well. This one is by User:Stankemanual (diff), I don't know if they are the same person behind the two IPs. Helpful Cat (talk) 15:33, 21 October 2024 (UTC)

Hey. So I've just semiprotected all of them under WP:ARBEE. Obviously, there's also a WP:RUSUKR undercurrent there as well, but we'll cross that bridge if and/or when that protection level falls short. Sorry, I'm writing in haste and do not have time to look into that named account (or anything else) right now, but they have only two edits at the time of writing, so the semiprotection should work against them, at least for the time being. Best, El_C 15:42, 21 October 2024 (UTC)

@El C that's great, thank you so much for your help and swift action! Helpful Cat (talk) 15:47, 21 October 2024 (UTC)

You're welcome, happy to help. Please feel free to continue to update me if any further issues arise. El_C 15:50, 21 October 2024 (UTC)

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Another controversy with Mellk

This lengthy note—with its many bold passages and many links—is not something I wish to engage with at this time, sorry. El_C 19:51, 1 November 2024 (UTC)
The following discussion has been closed. Please do not modify it.
Hi, once again I have an issue with this user Mellk, who created another controversy seemingly out of nowhere and don't want to explain a proper reason for their reverts, regarding this they were already formally warned about by you. First, they reverted me in Kievan Rus' article , with a summary like this ""Land of Rus" not mentioned in source, WP:OR and other unexplained changes". I reverted them , and pointed out that it Rus' land is mentioned with sources literally above the section I edited (In Kievan Rus', go to the "names" section and see an image with a sentence below:"Rus' land in narrow sense", which is sourced!), I also pointed out that I have already given an explanation for my changes in my last summary. They continued to persist and reverted my changes again, with a summary:"Image alone is not RS and overall this does not look like an improvement, you can start a talk page discussion about this. I didn't revert them again, as this is what other administrator suggested, so I wasn't doing any edit warring, and instead I decided to address this issue to them in a discussion in History of Ukraine talk page, expecting to solve the issue quickly , yet here they greeted me with this comment:"This talk page is only about improving this article. This does not count as spam. If you create a new topic there, I will explain my reasoning there in more detail". They basically told that it is I who must create new topic on Kievan Rus' talk page and only then they will give a proper explanation, as if it's not what they are supposed to do from the beginning . I addressed them this and after few responses, they eventually moved to the talk page of Kievan Rus' article, but answered under completely different topic created by another person, which they associated with me for some reason. I created a new topic for them, where they continued to write me this :"There is also no mention of "Land of Rus" in Encyclopedia of Ukraine, and really, we should be using better sources than this. If this is based on the image, then this looks like synth. The other changes do not look like an improvement. For example, what is "the first Rus' people" supposed to mean? Also, changing "Vladimir the Great and Yaroslav the Wise tried to associate the name with all of the extended princely domains" to "the name was as well denoting all of the Kievan domains" changes the meaning". They continued to ignore the fact that the sentence below the image was sourced and I addressed them this. They also didn't know what Rus' people meant at different times, yet still addressed this as my issue. Seeing the lack of proper reasoning yet a persistent denial of my edits, I tried to ask for further details about why they see my changes as a WP:synth,, and also told them to not waste time of other editors with a minor nitpicking or because of their own dull understanding of a subject. Instead of giving me a further proper response, they wrote me this :" 'Since you are resorting to personal attacks once again, I have lost interest in discussing' ". Then they headed to the Talk page of other administrator and began to complain :"Hi asilvering, I am still finding it impossible to discuss edits with Shahray, already less than a day after their block expired". I obviously noticed this and addressed their childish behavior and unwillingness to cooperate. Surprisingly, other administrator wrote this :"Nah, I think you're fine to go to ANI about it. They've been blocked twice for this already, and now they might be doing WP:LOUTSOCK stuff". Asilvering supported them and suggested to report me on notice board, with absolutely no evidence of my guilt given, giving me some further nonsensical accusations like "sock puppetary", even though I wrote all my messages to Mellk from my personal account. Furthermore, Asilvering ignored my comment and my concerns about Mellk and wrote:"Go ahead and use that reply above as evidence ¯\_(ツ)_/¯". Viewing this overall, a deliberate attempt to target me might take place, so I ask for a suggestion from you about how can we solve this situation and should Mellk receive a temporary block for a behavior they have been already warned about? Because they don't seem to want a peaceful solution and quickly drop out of the discussion after a few responses, persisting on deleting my changes at the same time. Shahray (talk) 17:44, 26 October 2024 (UTC)

Notifying people in an edit summary

(talk page watcher) I'm not sure if you meant to notify anyone in the edit summary with this edit. I just wanted to pint out that it's possible, but you have to link the persons' userspace in the edit summary. So, if you wanted to notify me in an edit summary, you'd have to put in ] somewhere within it. I dream of horses (Hoofprints) (Neigh at me) 20:23, 1 November 2024 (UTC)

It was intentional. El_C 21:11, 1 November 2024 (UTC)

@El C, I believe this topic ban isn't justified enough, I explained the reason here . If you don't want to go into details or unban, then I ask you to at least adjust this ban for now so I can edit talk pages, and can ask community broadly regarding my changes. I don't think this should create any issues. Further editing is pointless without getting consensus first anyway. Shahray (talk) 06:59, 3 November 2024 (UTC)

Shahray, I'm not involved in imposing this ban and unfortunately can't spare the time to review it, sorry. El_C 07:51, 3 November 2024 (UTC)

@El C, I know you shouldn't necessarily look into this, but it would be helpful if you make an adjustment that allows to edit talk pages, I don't think it wastes much time or is controversial. Admin who imposed this ban said they are "happy for other admins to make whatever adjustments they feel are reasonable". Cheers. Shahray (talk) 08:48, 3 November 2024 (UTC)

You misunderstand the admin who made that comment after saying "go straight to AE as described at WP:CTOP#Appeals and amendments". The admin is saying that the AE admins at WP:AE will make adjustments they feel are reasonable. That does not apply to individual admins at their talk pages. El_C has made it clear that they are busy and you should post at WP:AE if seeking an adjustment, not here. Johnuniq (talk) 09:27, 3 November 2024 (UTC)

Twin Flames

Thanks for the page protection and revdels. If you get a chance, there are two more IP edits that could use revdel too. KoA (talk) 21:43, 1 November 2024 (UTC)

Ugh, pattern recognition fail. :( Done. El_C 22:36, 1 November 2024 (UTC)

RE: Sarah Jama Page

Good evening El C,

I want to start off by thanking you for protecting the Sarah Jama page! It's badly needed. Also, I love the chipmunk pictures - I live near the Niagara Escarpment and one of my favourite things is hiking and finding all the wildlife on the trail, very much including quite a few chipmunks.

I'm having a lot of difficulty with the page for Sarah Jama. I'll send you a link to the version I created, which has been repeatedly sabotaged:

https://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Sarah_Jama&oldid=1254559532

Some of my formatting isn't perfect, especially around dates for citations and so forth. But I think you'll agree that my content is objective, impartial, and well-substantiated.

I see that you locked the page and required that extended confirmed users alone are allowed to make edits. While I applaud the protection, the problem is that the version implemented contains multiple very serious omissions, most notably MPP Sarah Jama's legislative work, which you'll see in my version, but not the page's current version.

Any help will be much appreciated, I only want the truth to be represented.

Pat PatHamilton47 (talk) 01:31, 2 November 2024 (UTC)

Hello PatHamilton47. Unfortunately, even if the edits (which I did not examine closely) are indeed objective, impartial, and well-substantiated, that isn't pertinent to this action and also not for me to decide. The account restriction (to WP:XC) is an arbitration remedy (WP:PIA, WP:ECR) that is meant as a technical limitation imposed by the Arbitration Committee. And not for me to decide even beyond that, per WP:INVOLVED. So the edits being correct—which short of WP:LIBEL outright is sorta in the eye of the beholder—would not be seen as a mitigating factor. Well, to a point. Say you had a good record of well-sourced edits and were at ~450 edits (50 short of the XC tenure)... in that instance, I might manually upgrade your permissions (and most admins wouldn't even do that as we have so little discretion in that area). But you're at 20 at the time of writing, so not even close. So my suggestion would be for you to prioritize what you deem most pressing and formulate that through the edit request feature. Which is all you're allowed to do for this topic area until meeting the 30 days 500 edits requirement (WP:30/500). Sorry I don't have better news for you, but that's just how the system has been set up over the years, mostly to avoid canvassing and brigading in some of these especially contentious topics. Thank you. El_C 03:10, 2 November 2024 (UTC)

PatHamilton47, as an afterthought, you can see from a protection request (for the article Ongoing Nakba) from earlier today that, for my part, I at least try to avoid topic area edits by un-tenured users from being rejected offhand simply on the basis of lacking that tenure. Like the editor in that request who effectively said: I agree with the edits and think they're good, but I still undid them for lacking the tenure (i.e. on that basis only). It does sometimes feel like I'm fighting a losing battle, though. But I still try. Yours, El_C 09:42, 3 November 2024 (UTC)

Notice of a discussion I think you'd be interested in knowing about

Hey El C: I thought you might want to be aware of this discussion (which includes not just the linked to thread, but a much larger one further above on VP/WMF). In summary, it appears that the WMF is prepared to imminently disclose personally identifying information about volunteers in a controversial Indian court case, where a news agency is attempting to suppress Misplaced Pages's tertiary coverage of the content of secondary sources (which it considers unflattering) by going after a number of individual editors as defendants. In order to comply with court orders in the case, it seems the WMF is prepared to share this information in what a number of us consider a pretty seismically bad idea and a betrayal of community priorities and values (the WMF has also already used an office action to remove an article reporting on the case, at the direction of the court for what said court regards as legitimate sub judice reasons).

While the deletion of the article has been framed by the WMF as temporary step to preserve appeal on the overall case, and there are mixed feelings in the community response as to that so far, there is a much more uniform opposition to throwing the individual editors (at least one of whom is located in India and has profound apprehension about what this could mean for his life with regard to litigation and beyond) under the bus. And yet the WMF appears to be prepared to share the information in question, as soon as Nov. 8. Can I impose upon you to take a look at the matter and share your perspective? SnowRise 00:51, 6 November 2024 (UTC)

Hey. I'm sorry, but whatever this is, it is summarized poorly. Particularly, I've yet to see where it is expressly stated that the WMF is prepared to imminently disclose personally identifying information, as soon as Nov. 8, that could then be subject to possible discovery or leaking. Of crouse, I'd strongly oppose such a gross overreach and betrayal by the Foundation. And of course, I'd rather the Foundation as representing the English Misplaced Pages refuse to cooperate with that Indian court, even if that means letting India (with its mass number of English speakers) go by the wayside like Russia, China, Turkey, etc. If only to avoid the likely class-action suit in America that could spell the demise of the WMF and by extension, its flagship English Misplaced Pages project. But the facts of the matter are unclear (within the thousands of words) and my time is limited by necessity as of late, notwithstanding even the potential gravity of such a measure. El_C 05:41, 6 November 2024 (UTC)

Well, as to the certainty that a disclosure is imminent that is driving so much of the concern just now, it comes from one of the involved editors/potential defendants, who reached out to Valereee with a series of posts they wished Val to deliver into the thread on their behalf. In those messages, this editor (anonymous to the broader community at the present time) disclosed that they have been in touch with the WMF over the last few days and that the current WMF plan seems to be to disclose the PII to the court on the 8th. So, not really much doubt at this moment in time, unfortunately. SnowRise 06:13, 6 November 2024 (UTC)

On her talk page or privately? Also, I just realized that the WPO's thread titled "Asian News International sues Misplaced Pages for Defamation" is about this. I've yet to look at that thread and didn't connect between Asian News International and India until now. Anyway, maybe that thread can offer a better summary. As mentioned, my time is very limited lately, but I'll try giving that thread at least a cursory read. Yours, El_C 06:18, 6 November 2024 (UTC)

That's all that can be asked, and then some, when I consider the general state of things at this moment. ;) SnowRise 07:47, 6 November 2024 (UTC)

Snow Rise, I'm writing in haste, but in the interest of completeness, I've yet to read that thread, but I did find a Singpost summary (by way of WPO) here. So I'm somewhat up to date, but Yngvadottir, help a brother out! I also found out that Republic TV is considering a similar suit (you know, the leftists and shit), and guess which admin indef semi'd that page as WP:ARBIND? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ El_C 02:33, 7 November 2024 (UTC)

In response to ping, I was about to recommend that Wikipediocracy thread; if you can stand to wade through the bloviations from people like me, I think the informational posts there summarize the evolving situation, with links, better than anything else including the Signpost. Sorry. Yngvadottir (talk) 02:59, 7 November 2024 (UTC)

Fair enough, will do. Thanks for taking the time and for the prompt response. Btw, you might not be as longwinded as Snow Rise (*poke*), but I rarely if ever fail to find it worthwhile reading (either of) your writings in full. But time, you know, a harsh mistress. Thanks again. Yours, El_C 03:22, 7 November 2024 (UTC)

Crank

Could you please reinstate the page protection for this redirect? It went off two weeks ago, and the IP reversals have already started up again. Cheers --Elmidae (talk · contribs) 12:06, 7 November 2024 (UTC)

Elmidae, the page you directly-linked is not a redirect, so all I have in front of me is the WP:DAB page that was never protected and was last edited 06:14, 5 July 2022. El_C 01:02, 10 November 2024 (UTC)

Sorry, wrong link - I intended Crank (person). --Elmidae (talk · contribs) 08:10, 10 November 2024 (UTC)

Semi-protected for a period of 6 months, after which the page will be automatically unprotected. El_C 11:23, 10 November 2024 (UTC)

November music

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For a surprise, a Bach cantata is on the Main page today, where it was last year for the 300th anniversary, and they were too lazy to find something new ;) - Look at my story, and listen to the 3 whole-tone steps and the dialogues of Fear and Hope. - An open letter open to be signed (more info on the talk), - I haven't checked if you did, please ignore then. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:07, 7 November 2024 (UTC)

Today's story relates to 2 meanings of 9 Nov, - imagine: I found a DYK I liked from 2006, before my time here. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:07, 9 November 2024 (UTC)

I uploaded more pics, on a mountain in the sun above the fog. - Madeleine Riffaud - remember. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:13, 11 November 2024 (UTC)

I uploaded pics of a trip that was a 10-day celebration of a 16 November event, but the day was also when a dear friend died. We sang Hevenu shalom aleichem at his funeral yesterday, and it was good. He helped me in the Hebrew Misplaced Pages. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:53, 30 November 2024 (UTC)

Mahsa Amini

@El C, in Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Mahsa Amini you mentioned that the result was merge with an option to split in the near future. Now after two years the articles Mahsa Amini and Death of Mahsa Amini have been split specially that Mahsa Amini has received Sakharov Prize. But some users once again are determined to remove Mahsa Amini article because of personal and political reasons. They are wrongly going to merge article Mahsa Amini into Death of Mahsa Amini whereas these articles need necessarily to be separated because both of them are notable and Mahsa Amin has received Sakharov Prize. I think a person who has received this important prize must have an article independently. Unfortunately some users are determined to remove her article just because of political reasons which is not acceptable in Misplaced Pages. Please help to stop merging these articles. AlijenabH (talk) 19:24, 12 November 2024 (UTC)

Sorry, AlijenabH, but I lack the spare time to give this even a cursory review right now, so I leave it to be decided by others. I notice you already posted WP:AN#Please stop merging Mahsa Amini into Death of Mahsa Amini (permalink), so however that concludes is fine with me. Thank you. El_C 00:42, 13 November 2024 (UTC)

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Hello. Sorry, I decline to participate at this time. But thanks for your interest. Yours, El_C 00:45, 13 November 2024 (UTC)

L committee?

I'm trying to figure out what Special:Diff/1257824916 means. RoySmith (talk) 21:10, 16 November 2024 (UTC)

L does not stand for win, that would be W. El_C 21:12, 16 November 2024 (UTC)

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Did you change the CCP page?

Looking at the source history for the ccp page it went from CPC to CCP did you do this? if so what's the purpose in intentionally spelling it wrong? Why should wiki be based on westerners not being able to correctly say an organizations name? Gingercom1 (talk) 02:03, 3 December 2024 (UTC)

Yes. The purpose was to enact the move request (WP:RM) for the non-admin closer who deemed there being consensus to move the page (they couldn't do it themselves because a redirect needed to be deleted in order for the move to work). And while this was 4 years ago and I was uninvolved in the move discussion itself, IIRC the basis for it was WP:COMMONNAME. HTH. El_C 02:24, 3 December 2024 (UTC)

Page Protection (Talk:2024 United States presidential election)

Hi El :) It was recommended that I reach out to you directly to request that you roll back the protection on Talk:2024 United States presidential election. I understand protecting the main page and do not think that should change at the moment, but the talk page is becoming one-sided as a small handful of editors/administrators repeatedly shut down and archive certain topics, with outside voices being unable to even participate in the discussion. Thank you for your consideration. 71.210.42.253 (talk) 21:00, 3 December 2024 (UTC)

Hi. The protection expires in a couple of weeks anyway, but I'm alright with lifting it early, especially since the outcome is uncontested. Unprotected. El_C 05:34, 4 December 2024 (UTC)

Thank you! 71.210.42.253 (talk) 13:56, 4 December 2024 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Mashiding Lomandong

Hi El C. I'm asking you about this since you protected Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Mashiding Lomandong. Should the two "keep" !votes now be struck based on Misplaced Pages:Sockpuppet investigations/Rex 97Cavaliers? -- Marchjuly (talk) 21:42, 6 December 2024 (UTC)

Hey. Sorry for the delay in replying (which may render the matter moot). But in answer to your question: personally, I'm not a fan of using strikethrough, especially when the {{canvassed}} or {{spa}} tag/s have already been applied. That's just my own general preference, though. HTH. All the best, El_C 08:01, 11 December 2024 (UTC)

I guess it was moot since they were CU-blocked since. Anyway, this is to note that I closed the discussion with unanimous consensus to delete. El_C 14:29, 11 December 2024 (UTC)

Vandalism

Hi. This user insistly violates MOS:MUHAMMAD and WP:NPOV. Before, he did his vandalistic changes with another account. Please block him and his IP address, and if possible, please take the pages that he vandalize under protection. Thank you. Aybeg (talk) 07:02, 11 December 2024 (UTC)

Hello Aybeg. I've left them a warning about observing the ethos of WP:PBUH (etc.) by refraining from adding these honourifics en masse (here), so hopefully this will suffice. Blocking is a last resort, though, and these, technically, do not count as vandalism, at least not yet (please refer to WP:NOTVANDALISM) for the definition). Thank you. El_C 08:07, 11 December 2024 (UTC)

December music

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Listen today to Beethoven's 3rd cello sonata, on his birthday - it was a hook in the 2020 DYK set when his 250th birthday was remembered. I picked a recording with Antônio Meneses, because he was on my sad list this year, and I was in Brazil (see places), and I love his playing. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:51, 16 December 2024 (UTC)

I come to fix the cellist's name, with a 10-years-old DYK and new pics - look for red birds --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:41, 18 December 2024 (UTC)

Merry Christmas! Sorry, I've been largely away as of late. Also, I scrolled and scrolled but couldn't find the birds! (I'm sure they're in the last place I didn't look, though.) El_C 04:14, 26 December 2024 (UTC)

Happy Hannukah, and thanks for being around! Yes, the last place, the last pic of 23 Dec. They were far away but closer than ever. My first Christmas story was about Bach's BWV 91, and the second (not yet written, will simply follow there) about BWV 121, also 300 years old about a 500-years-old song by Luther. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:12, 26 December 2024 (UTC)

Abusive IP

Here is their range Special:Contributions/2001:4490:880::/44, their edits on Umar Khalid & India_Today_(TV channel) may also need revdeletion. - Ratnahastin (talk) 05:38, 17 December 2024 (UTC)

Definitely. That's pretty bad. Anyway: Done. Thank you. El_C 05:42, 17 December 2024 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Original Barnstar
	Thanks for your contributions! 🗽Freedoxm🗽(talk • contribs) 06:01, 17 December 2024 (UTC)

Thanks, Freedoxm, that's very kind of you. Best wishes, El_C 16:29, 18 December 2024 (UTC)

Io Saturnalia!

		Io, Saturnalia!
		Wishing you and yours a Happy Holiday Season, from the horse and bishop person. May the year ahead be productive and distraction-free. Ealdgyth (talk) 15:07, 17 December 2024 (UTC)

Thanks, and wishing the same to you! El_C 04:15, 26 December 2024 (UTC)

Pending cases

WP:RPPI

(115.129.87.134 (talk) 08:30, 19 December 2024 (UTC))

Sorry, what? El_C 15:36, 20 December 2024 (UTC)

Merry Christmas!

	A very happy Christmas and New Year to you!
	Have a great Christmas, and may 2025 bring you joy, happiness – and no trolls or vandals! Cheers SchroCat (talk) 08:26, 21 December 2024 (UTC)

Many thanks! Merry Christmas and a happy new year to you too! El_C 04:17, 26 December 2024 (UTC)

"extraordinary circumstances"

May i ask what makes this BLP perpetrator extraordinary when compared to every other accused murderer on Misplaced Pages? Trade (talk) 01:23, 22 December 2024 (UTC)

The target and circumstances. El_C 02:58, 22 December 2024 (UTC)

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Thanks for the well wishing and a Merry Christmas to you too! El_C 04:18, 26 December 2024 (UTC)

RFP

Hello! I updated an RFP nominee Azerbaijan Airlines Flight 8243 which you declined at the time with some comments. But I'd like to ask if it would be necessary to move them under a new filing? Borgenland (talk) 10:04, 26 December 2024 (UTC)

No, it's okay, I got to it in time (before the request got archived), so all good. Thanks. El_C 12:10, 26 December 2024 (UTC)

I need your help mate

Hi, my former account on Misplaced Pages has been banned so i started editing with this IP. Recently you blocked Timeline of the Syrian civil war (November 2024–present) page. Im using SOHR as a neutral source. Can you please remove that blockade i can't edit, thanks. 88.243.192.169 (talk) 18:16, 26 December 2024 (UTC)

Hello. While I appreciate you being honest about that, you can't be evading a block or ban, in general. So you'd need to sort that out at the original account's talk page with an WP:UNBAN or an WP:UNBLOCK appeal (which ever's applicable for you in this instance). And needless to say, watch out for any excesses, especially ones of an ethno-national nature. HTH. Thank you. El_C 18:56, 26 December 2024 (UTC)

Requesting reduction of protection on Whopper

Page was protected 6 years ago due to sockpuppetry, probably safe to reduce to semi or remove protection altogether Heyaaaaalol (talk) 00:12, 1 January 2025 (UTC)

Sounds like a bad idea. There's an active LTA currently targeting Whopper-related articles — see the page history of WhopperCoin, for example. C F A 22:29, 1 January 2025 (UTC)

I don’t know what’s so controversial about a whopper…. Heyaaaaalol (talk) 02:04, 5 January 2025 (UTC)

January music

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Happy new year 2025, opened with trumpet fanfares that first sounded OTD in 1725 (as the Main page has). -- Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:02, 1 January 2025 (UTC)

Liebster Immanuel, Herzog der Frommen, BWV 123, my story today 300 years after the first performance, is up for GAN. Dada Masilo will be my story tomorrow. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:14, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

My story today is about a composer who influenced music history also by writing. Did you watch Masilo talk and dance? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:55, 8 January 2025 (UTC)