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== Are Dutch and Belgians "Hispanic"? == |
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Because they belonged to the Spanish Empire about the same time most Spanish American colonies did, and following Anglo's logic, they should be called Hispanics as well. |
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== Hispanic as a physical description == |
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What means ] race?, Are we the people from ] ]?. What is the physical difference between ]s, ] and ] for example?. |
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--] (]) 19:34, 24 October 2018 (UTC) |
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The ] physical and cultural description is too much general. You can not put in the same place Spanish from ], and ] from ] countries. It is like to speak about ] speakers in ] and ]. |
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:Please provide a reliable source that they are considered hispanic. ] 20:26, 24 October 2018 (UTC) |
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:: The poster was arguing from logical consistency, not from a source. ] (]) 20:13, 21 April 2023 (UTC) |
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I think it would be good for this article to include some information about the controversial use of hispanic as a physical description for police and news. Since it is an ethnic (cultural) description and contains no information about the physical (racial) appearance of someone. |
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== Brazilians == |
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"Brazilians may identify as Latin-Americans, but refute being considered Latinos or Hispanics" - What is the basis for this claim (It's contrary to what one Brazilian-Jew says: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wm521AmMLX8 ca. 53.:30.) ] (]) 20:16, 21 April 2023 (UTC) |
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Actually, a small minority of Filipinos are of Spanish or part Spanish descent, and would probably identify as "Hispanic". Interestingly, not all Spanish descended people would identify as such, especially the Basque Nationalists. |
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== Proposal: deletion of the entire "Spanish-speaking countries and regions section" == |
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Saying that people from Spain are not Hispanics is a non-sense. "Hispanic" is a word that means "coming or related to Spain and Spanish culture". Every language uses that word that way. ex: in French "les cultures hispaniques" means "the Spanish or Spanish related cultures.", not related to Mexican or Guatemaltec cultures which are mostly native indian !! |
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A list of this is already on the ] article. Notably, I am also questioning the relevance of the ethnic/racial demographics included in the section. Some parts like the whole FS of Micronesia stuff is even less relevant and belongs in an article covering the influence of the Spanish Empire or whatever. As a reminder, the article is supposed to address "people, cultures, or countries" dealt with by the term "Hispanic". |
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It would be like excluding english people from "anglo-saxon" culture and considering Jamaican or Australian aboriginal culture as the anglo-saxon culture!! |
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Being that this talk page is obviously not very active, I'll wait a while if anyone wants to give any input. If no one objects or no one bothers to respond, I'll do the big chop. ] (]) 09:58, 28 January 2024 (UTC) |
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:'''Update:''' I'm going to do it now. ] (]) 22:36, 20 February 2024 (UTC) |
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== Inclusion of ethnic designation in lead == |
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It is the same for "latin" or "latino", these words mean "related and descent to roman culture", not "from South and Central America". |
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Of course Central and South America are included in the "latin" group because they have a Spanish, Portuguese and French heritage; but they don't represent all latins or latinos by themselves !!!!!!... |
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@] You and I have a dispute over an edit I made to the article: |
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American people usually forget that the "original" latins or latinos are Italians, French, Spanish, Portuguese, Catalans, Romanians, and some Belgians and Swiss people... |
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''In some contexts, ], "Hispanic" is used as an ] or ] term.'' |
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It has nothing to do with any race or any "physical" description of people. |
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In order to avoid an edit war, I am going by what the community recommends and bringing the dispute to the talk page, so we can settle this reasonably. ] (]) 03:38, 22 February 2024 (UTC) |
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== Parallel designations == |
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I live in a neighborhood that was once all upper middle-class whites, but now it's predominantly working-class Hispanic. As a long-time resident of my city, I'm seeing the neighborhood detioriating quickly. It's scary. |
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Hello, |
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to use the word precedence case basic to the United States I would like to know: which words corresponding to Hispanic do exist? ] (]) 22:11, 11 March 2024 (UTC) |
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It seems to me that better terms for minority status would be Meso-American and South American not Hispanic or Latino. I agree with the article about Spanish people being classified as European Americans (or Europeans) not as a protected underclass. How is a Spanish person any more deserving of protection than say an Italian or Swede? |
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== spanish protection == |
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I'm half Spanish and live in Texas. My last name is Fernandez. I have green eyes. My skin is probably lighter than 90 percent of most white peoples'. I'm listed as white on all govt. documents. I'm all for trying to teach people the difference between Spanish and South American. Pop culture defines latino as dark skinned, but that's not because of the spanish part, it's the native american part, of which I have little or no common ancestry. However, I still think that Spanish people should be given special consideration when it comes to minority protection. Why? Because I have suffered, first hand, the effects of racism against "hispanics". Because my last name is Fernandez, people always assume I'm mexican. Living in Texas, that might be a natural assumption. But this has hurt me several times. My father owns a small business, and on more than one occasion, stupid, ignorant rednecks have actually turned down business deals with him because they don't wanna do business with "a mezzican". This racism is bad enough, but it's also misplaced! My dad is as white as any of them and speaks perfect english (probably better than those rednecks). Even though my family never had to overcome financial barriers, we have had to overcome social barriers. If we are going to solve anything though, it won't be with affirmative action or such similar programs. It will take proper education for the youth for the future generations to truly understand race and racism. |
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Don't stay in that country, if people is so ignorant. Come back to Europe. Spain is the better place to live in Europe (maybe in the world), and, in contrary with the US opinion it is a rich, modern, westerner and "white" country. It is a latin country because you have roman/mediteranean cultural like the Italian, French and Portuguese, not because we come from Mexicans ! In spanish "latin" is "latino", (latino doesn't mean latino america!) hehehe... and an hispanic country because hispanic relates to Spain. |
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== Disambiguation in census data == |
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This page is easily the most linked-to disambiguation page in the whole wikipedia, and the reason is that there are a large number of articles on places in the ] that include information from the ] that ''all'' refer to the number of 'Hispanic' inhabitants. See http://en.wikipedia.org/w/wiki.phtml?title=Special:Whatlinkshere&target=Hispanic for many, many examples. |
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Would it be possible to: |
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* add a new topic for, well, whatever is the proper term for an Hispanic person living in the ], |
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* refer to this in the disambiguation page; and |
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* get a bot to replace all links from census data to ''Hispanic'' to the new page? |
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] 07:57, 20 Jun 2004 (UTC) |
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That would be ]. We should stick to US Census terms, meaning we use <nowiki>].</nowiki> --]] 08:19, 20 Jun 2004 (UTC) |
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:looks good ] 09:01, 20 Jun 2004 (UTC) |
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:An automatic bot would be easy to write since the census data is always essentially in the same format. You know, "''... of the population are Hispanic or Latino of any race''". No need to manually accept every modification -- the possibility of errors is slim. ] 01:07, 6 Sep 2004 (UTC) |
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Two diferentes articles would be better, in my opinion. |
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Yes, that was YOUR opinion. But it had already been solved here, yet you decided to go ahead and vandalize the article anyway. You split it unnecessarily and changing the value and context of the entire article from describing what hispanic american is into a stub describing the terms latino and latin, which has nothing to do with the title of the article. The you attempted to change it forthermore by omitting the true definition of the word. I've already discussed this in length on your user page at ]. |
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] 12:58, 23 Sep 2004 (UTC) |
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Actually, most Americans are just a bunch of racists and ignorant monkeys (just take a look at their 'democratic' political system, it is so funny to see those meetings of politicians screaming as those idiots wave their American flaggies). Of course, I am aware that there are some American people that have some brain, especially in NYC, but I just wanted to criticize their society as a whole. |
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It's impossible to make them understand something not related to their so-called 'pop culture', that is: burgers, baseball and TV. Just leave that country and come back to Spain. |
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Proudly signed by: |
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--] 21:06, 17 Sep 2004 (UTC) |
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==Portugese== |
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Where do Portuguese speakers, like those from ] fit in? ] 20:41, Oct 12, 2004 (UTC) |
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Most Spanish-Mestizos in the Philippines consider themselves as Filipinos(Asians) and not Hispanics. |
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== Deleted two paragraphs == |
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I deleted the two paragraphs that describe how the term "hipano" is used in Latin America because it simply is not true. "Hispano" in Spanish is used in reference to Spain. The part that said that Latin Americans of Chinese ancestry are not considered "Hispanic" is nonsense because absolutely nobody considers him/herself "hispanic". The term is simply not used. It's a term used in the US and only in the US and this is very important to note in order to understand the issue. |
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Brazilians and Filipinos do not consider themselves either Hispanic or non-Hispanic. The term is not used. It's a US thing and can only be understood as such. |
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--] 17:08, 24 Dec 2004 (UTC) |
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== Hispanic ethnic group == |
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I deleted the references of Hispanics being the second largest and fastest growing ethnic group, because an ethnic group cannot be compared with a race. The US Census Bureau only measures one ethnic group, the Hispanic. The only valid comparison would be between Hispanics and non-Hispanics. |
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Actually the terms hispanic or latino are rather considered ignorant by the vast majority of people in latin america for several reasons. |
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1. latin america is extremely diverse, it has huge differences from country to country, and inside these countries the cultures vary from region to region, with different accents, different cultural influences and different ethnic origins, saying some one is hispanic or latino is like saying some one is from the planet earth, is a blanket term that doesn't really fit latin america, but the USA |
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2. the use of these two terms (hispanic/latino) are for the most American, and usually when Americans say hispanic they think of a chicano (sorry but I am not chicana). |
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In south america (PLEASE AMERICANS NOTE MEXICO IS NOT IN SOUTH AMERICA), people do not refer to themselves as hispanics or latinos, but rather as citizens of X or Y country, in my country I AM COLOMBIAN, PEOPLE DO NOT CONSIDER THEMSELVES THESE TERMS, why? because is not part of our culture to say we are these things; hispanic latino are AMERICAN TERMS, not colombian terms, therefore we don't use them on us, plus our country like the rest of the countries in latin america are culturally and ethnically diverse, we have white, black, indian, asian, middle eastern, mixed people as well, and no one goes around saying they are hispanics. |
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4. As far as Spaniards, I don't know why Americans so ignorantly try to make them chicanos, it seems to me the US associates speaking spanish with being mexican-american, if americans bother to look on a world map they would realize that Spain is a European country, and that the people there are Europeans, I have been to Spain and the people there feel and associates with europe, not with mexican-americans, or puerto ricans etc or with this imaginary hispanic world created in the US, most spaniards consider themselves white people and they indeed are. |
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3. IT MAKES ME ANGRY YET AMAZED AT HOW IGNORANT AMERICANS ARE. |
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The word "hispano" in Spanish has two main uses: |
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1.-A very formal word to refer to something related to Spain, usually used only in journalism or in international legal documents: e.g: "Cumbre Hispano-Germana" tr.: Hispanic-Germanic Submitt, or "Acuerdo Hispano-Francés", Tr.: Hispanic-French Agreement, and so on. Normally it is only used in the head lines. |
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2.-Direct translation of the scripts of american movies of the word Hispanic as used in the U.S. |
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Because they belonged to the Spanish Empire about the same time most Spanish American colonies did, and following Anglo's logic, they should be called Hispanics as well.
In order to avoid an edit war, I am going by what the community recommends and bringing the dispute to the talk page, so we can settle this reasonably. Evaporation123 (talk) 03:38, 22 February 2024 (UTC)
to use the word precedence case basic to the United States I would like to know: which words corresponding to Hispanic do exist? Sarcelles (talk) 22:11, 11 March 2024 (UTC)
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