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	==Re: Suicide==		== Re: Philippine TV vandal ==
	Hi Prolog. This is not a disclaimer, it appears in the same place as a disclaimer but it does not have the contents of a disclaimer. I do not believe that this banner conflicts with this requirement. Neutrality in terms of Misplaced Pages means: '''Assert facts, including facts about opinions—but do not assert the opinions themselves''' I have tried to make the contents of the banner fall withing this requirement. The banner is unconventional placement of information, but no more than that. I am suprised how much resistance there is to this pretty reasonable proposal. Misplaced Pages is ina unique position to make the "right" decisions about topics like this and I would be very disappointed to see petty bureaucracy get in the way of that. I apologies for reverting your edit without proper explaination. --] (]) 23:39, 8 March 2008 (UTC)
			Hi! Just want to inform you that the vandal found a way to bypass the rangeblock. He is currently using the IP address ]. -] (]) 06:50, 4 December 2010 (UTC)
	==Please don't remove image of Lancia Delta WRC Group A==
	Lancia Delta Integrale, winning the constructors' title six years in a row from 1987 to 1992.
	I think that image is relevant and useful. <small>—Preceding ] comment added by ] (] • ]) 09:54, 6 March 2008 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
			:Thanks for the note. I did a larger, but shorter, rangeblock (4 days on 180.194.48.0/21). ] (]) 09:01, 4 December 2010 (UTC)
	==Jokela High School Picture==
	I guess I shouldn't be too bothered, but you should be greatful that people are contributing to wikipedia. I put up an image of the school and you remove it because its copyrighted? The picture was taken by the perpetrator and would hold exactly the same copyrights of the picture of the same guy with the gun. Why do you keep removing my edits? ] 17:19, 7 November 2007 (UTC)
	:Is the picture of the perpetrator free for use then? Eh it's just frustrating when I decided to take some time out to contribute with some information that other people might not yet have. And it all just gets reverted ] 17:25, 7 November 2007 (UTC)
	::The image you linked to looks like a good one to use. A friend of mine is from Finland and may be able to help with any translations in general for this article. I'm not going to upload any more images myself in fear of deletion, but you should put that youtube screenshot up ] 17:35, 7 November 2007 (UTC)
			::Hi! The vandal returned again, this time, he is using the IP address ]. -] (]) 02:06, 15 December 2010 (UTC)
	==June 2007 WP:FILMS Newsletter==
	The ''']''' of the Films WikiProject newsletter has been published. You may read the newsletter, change the format in which future issues will be delivered to you, or unsubscribe from this notification by following the link. Thank you. Please also, if you have not already, add your name to the ]. ] 08:51, 2 July 2007 (UTC)
			:::180.194.0.0/23 blocked for two more weeks. ] (]) 12:20, 15 December 2010 (UTC)
	==Howdy==
	HI Prolog. I have a request. Please can you try to expand ] -surely there's some info on his races. You'll be pleased to know I have created Template:Filmrationale and Template:Filmbiorationale to shut up the image patrollers. ] <sup>]]</sup> 15:55, 2 July 2007 (UTC)
			::::Uhm, sorry to bother you again, but he bypassed the rangeblock again. Currently he is using ]. -] (]) 15:52, 15 December 2010 (UTC)
	For instance see Image:Violent Naples.jpg - how the template can be used so easily ] <sup>]]</sup> 15:57, 2 July 2007 (UTC)
			:::::Re-blocked 180.194.48.0/21, also for two weeks. ] (]) 16:37, 15 December 2010 (UTC)
	== Thanks ==
			::::::Anon returned again using a different subnet. Currently he is using ] and ]. -] (]) 12:57, 24 December 2010 (UTC)
	Thank you for cleaning-up after . Much appreciated. -- ] 04:10, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
			:::::::180.194.200.0/22 blocked for four days. ] (]) 13:17, 24 December 2010 (UTC)
	==July 2007 WP:FILMS Newsletter==
	The ''']''' of the Films WikiProject newsletter has been published. You may read the newsletter, change the format in which future issues will be delivered to you, or unsubscribe from this notification by following the link. Thank you. <small>This is an automated delivery by ] 19:37, 31 July 2007 (UTC)</small>
	==Finnish painter==
	Hi Prolog, Hope you are well -can you help translate ] this for me thanks
	http://www.tampere.fi/sanoinjakuvin/rakennukset/tuomiokirkko/koristelu_enckell.html
	] <sup>]]</sup> 18:43, 9 August 2007 (UTC)
			::::::::Anon returned again after rangeblock expired. He's currently using ]. Please also note that during the rangeblock was in effect, he is also doing the same things over at simple.wiki. -] (]) 03:02, 7 January 2011 (UTC)
	Ahh. I've just seen his preferences! I didn't realize - I was beginning to work through the list of finns!! You can be quite assured I won't upload any of his paintings!!! ] <sup>]]</sup> 18:52, 9 August 2007 (UTC)
			:::::::::180.194.48.0/21 blocked for two more weeks. Unfortunately, I can't do anything to stop him/her from continuing on other wikis. ] (]) 13:14, 7 January 2011 (UTC)
	== ] ==
			::::::::::Anon bypassed the rangeblock again, the latest IP addresses he/she is currently using are ] and ]. Update: he/she is currently using ]. -] (]) 13:55, 16 January 2011 (UTC)
	Hi Prolog,
			::::::::::Update again, user is currently using ]. There is no stopping this guy. -] (]) 16:59, 16 January 2011 (UTC)
	I just proofed this, on the whole I'm pretty impressed! Just one question - I commented out a line in the Lancia paragraph - you might like to take a look and reinstate/delete it as appropriate. Happy editing, ] 12:33, 28 August 2007 (UTC)
			:::::::::::Diannaa took care of these ranges. Let's see if it helps. ] (]) 21:25, 16 January 2011 (UTC)
	== external links by Frontierblog and Neuber hia ==
			:(Reset indent) Anon returned again after all rangeblocks expired. Here is the summary of all of the IP addresses he/she uses for the past 48 hours: ], ], ] (already blocked), ]. It seems that he/she changes IP addresses very often compared from the time that there is no rangeblock applied to the vandal. -] (]) 02:09, 26 January 2011 (UTC)
	I've noticed that you've blocked the user ] from adding spam links, but it looks like ] just re-added them. I can't tell if this is just spam, so I'll leave it up to you to figure out whether these edits should be reverted. Thanks, ] 22:48, 28 August 2007 (UTC)
			::Blocked 180.194.240.0/22 for four days and 180.194.145.0/24 for a week. He/she is on quite active ranges at the moment. I'll keep an eye on this. ] (]) 12:07, 26 January 2011 (UTC)
	== Toivonen ==
			:::Current anon's IP address is ]. Was blocked by another admin 3 days ago but continued to vandalize articles after block expired. -] (]) 01:18, 7 February 2011 (UTC)
	Hi Prolog. Sorry I didn't quite finish up on Toivonen - last weekend was a ] in the UK and Real Life<sup>TM</sup> duties took over (specifically, the application of rather a lot of paint to the spare bedroom!). Looks like Cricketgirl has done a good job, but I'll go over the remaining text again and have a look at your answers to my questions. Cheers. ] 08:09, 30 August 2007 (UTC)
			== Re: Life imprisonment ==
	==August 2007 WP:FILMS Newsletter==
	The ''']''' of the Films WikiProject newsletter has been published. You may read the newsletter, change the format in which future issues will be delivered to you, or unsubscribe from this notification by following the link. Thank you.<br /><small>This is an automated delivery by ] 13:00, 1 September 2007 (UTC)</small>
			Yes, my bad, I guess I accidentally edited the reverted version by mistake! Corrected now, thanks for pointing it out! ]:] <small>(reply on my talk)</small> 18:01, 5 January 2011 (UTC)
	== 56th USwedish Rally ==
			== About Sony Xperia X10 ==
	I was stunned when I saw that. Seriously, how could anyone make that mistake? :D It lasted incredibly long and I'm glad I could fix it. Thanks for some templates for deleting articles, I haven't looked for them yet. ] -- </span>]] 19:17, 4 September 2007 (UTC)
	: Sound like a plan :). On pl.wiki all of the reports are named according to scheme <nowiki>{{Polish name of the rally}}} {{{YEAR}}}</nowiki>. Additionally I'm creating redirects from full names with sponsors (they're official names, after all). Rally is easy to find, and easy to link :). As you might already noticed, reports I started to create, are already named with pattern <nowiki>{{{YEAR}}} {{{Rally}}}</nowiki>. Shall I continue with this manner? ] -- </span>]] 23:48, 4 September 2007 (UTC)
			Mega = 2^20 ≠ Million = 10^10 <small><span class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (] • ]) 12:35, 21 January 2011 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
	==] roll call==
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			:A ] is widely considered to be one million pixels by ], even if 1,048,576 would be technically more accurate. We should follow standard usage and be consistent, so 0.41 is correct here. ] (]) 14:13, 21 January 2011 (UTC)
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			==Visit from an old friend?==
			What do you make of ? ] (]) 18:56, 17 February 2011 (UTC)
			:The old friend theory is backed by plenty of behavioral evidence, so ] the technical stuff. ] (]) 20:50, 17 February 2011 (UTC)
			::Thanks. In case I haven't expressed my thanks before, I admire your willingness to put your neck on the line despite knowing how Arbcom feels about this. It is very much appreciated. ] (]) 02:32, 18 February 2011 (UTC)
			== checkuser confirmed claim ==
			Hi ,you added checkuser confirmed template to this user page ] in this edit , could you please direct me to the statement that verifies that, thanks. ] (]) 16:01, 11 March 2011 (UTC)
			: sock block by a CU fits the time line. ] (]) 16:36, 11 March 2011 (UTC)
			::Thanks, there is no confirmation on the archived page - I will ask him , thanks. ] (]) 16:51, 11 March 2011 (UTC)
			:::CUs do not create SPI cases to document their findings and blocks. ] (]) 17:04, 11 March 2011 (UTC)
			== Welcome ==
			Hi, thanks for ], i'm a usual ] editor. I hope contribute with my spanish experience and view. Bye. --] (]) 09:26, 18 March 2011 (UTC)
			== inre ] ==
			Could you create the redirect for ] to ], or shall I? ''']''' '']'' 06:12, 27 March 2011 (UTC)
			:I created the redirect when I closed the AFD, using the correct capitalization: ]. ] (]) 14:31, 27 March 2011 (UTC)
			::Oops. I should have realized the spelling issue before writing. Thanks. ''']''' '']'' 10:35, 28 March 2011 (UTC)
			== Philippine TV Vandal ==
			According to ], I got the ranges: {{IPvandal|180.194.0.0/16}}, {{IPvandal|222.127.0.0/16}}, {{IPvandal|124.6.0.0/16}}, {{IPvandal|112.198.0.0/16}}, and {{IPvandal|120.28.0.0/16}} . Involved in Philippine TV Vandalism. Warning evasion. Usage of Multiple IP's. Can you block them in 2 1/2 weeks to 1 month? No more IP to IP hopping as prescribed by order. Thank you. --] (]) 13:25, 30 April 2011 (UTC) This rangeblocking may affect Non-Philippine TV Vandals. If they cannot create their account, they should visit ].
			:I can't block the /16 ranges. There would be way too much collateral damage. I've blocked 180.194.28.0/22, which seems to have been the vandal's main range recently, for four days. Even that range is pretty active, unfortunately. I would need some IPs to calculate further rangeblocks. ] (]) 19:57, 30 April 2011 (UTC)
			::{{IPvandal|180.194.0.0/22}}<br/>
			::{{IPvandal|222.127.0.0/22}}<br/>
			::{{IPvandal|124.6.0.0/22}}<br/>
			::{{IPvandal|112.198.0.0/22}}<br/>
			::{{IPvandal|120.28.0.0/22}}<br/>
			::Here you go. Please set in 2 1/2 weeks to 1 month. --] (]) 02:05, 1 May 2011 (UTC)
			:::Those ranges don't seem correct. For example, 112.198.0.0/22 has no edits at all and 124.6.0.0/22 no edits since June 2010. You can try the , or list individual IP addresses here and I'll calculate the ranges. ] (]) 19:15, 1 May 2011 (UTC)
			==Rollback==
			Actually, yes it would be really handy! I've thought about asking for it before but never got round to it. How would I go about it? ] (]) 23:28, 14 May 2011 (UTC)
			:You should have the feature now. Remember to use it only for clearly non-constructive edits. ] (]) 23:30, 14 May 2011 (UTC)
			::Yes, thanks very much! As I understand it, it's only for use against deliberate vandalism, rather than people just making mistakes, so that's how I'll be using it. Thanks again, ] (]) 23:32, 14 May 2011 (UTC)
			== User:Upan atom ==
			Hey, i´m on your side there any way we can discuss it with more users? Or just over one of the Talk pages (2011 Site)? ] (]) 20:50, 16 May 2011 (UTC)
			:The 2011 talk page is probably a good idea since the article is about to go to the main page. I've given the user a direct link to creating a discussion if he/she still wishes to introduce these changes. ] (]) 21:14, 16 May 2011 (UTC)
			::Year, just read your comment, good one. ;) ] (]) 21:18, 16 May 2011 (UTC)
			== Player Merger at HC Litvínov ==
			What do you think should be done about the stub-spam? You mentioned ]. I know that something needs to be done, but I don't know what. I would go to ], but I'm not sure what to say. Can you offer any advice? <span style="white-space:nowrap;">— ] <span style="color:#000000;">(])</span></span> 18:21, 18 June 2011 (UTC)
			:I was thinking that ] would be a good place to start, but now I noticed that the user was already warned about the BLP implications about a month ago, some articles were deleted and he/she lost the autopatrolled rights. ] is probably more appropriate now. A short summary of the behaviour and why it needs to be stopped should be enough. I'll create a thread later if someone doesn't beat me to it. ] (]) 20:58, 18 June 2011 (UTC)
			::Discussion created at ]. ] (]) 14:22, 19 June 2011 (UTC)
			:::Thanks for that. Sorry I didn't reply sooner. I must have missed the edit on my watch list. <span style="white-space:nowrap;">— ] <span style="color:#000000;">(])</span></span> 14:43, 19 June 2011 (UTC)
			== Sports BLPs ==
			Hey there, I came across your name at WP/ANI regarding a user creating a bunch of stub BLPs. I know nothing about sports, but I have found another user to seems to be doing something similar. If you have a second, would you mind checking out the pages this user is creating and assessing whether they meet WP notability standards? So far they are all unsourced so I have prod'd them but even if he finds sources I'd like to know that these people are actually notable as far as sports standards go. The user in question is ]. Thanks! ] ] 22:45, 19 June 2011 (UTC)
			:I couldn't find any reliable source on ] or ] or anything at all when googling ''"damian forde" +ballinaglera''. The user has a history of creating inappropriate pages, so I'll delete these and give him/her a final warning. ] (]) 13:33, 20 June 2011 (UTC)
			::Thanks for taking care of that. I'll add the user to my watch list and let you know if he creates a new slew. ] ] 21:09, 20 June 2011 (UTC)
			==Re:Rollback==
			Yeah, sure. Why not. That would be a handy addition to all the other tools. :) <span style="font-family:Zemestro;">]]</span> 13:30, 23 June 2011 (UTC)
			:Done. Remember to use it only for clearly non-constructive edits. I'll also see if I can re-block the ranges used by the Grand Prix report vandal. ] (]) 13:38, 23 June 2011 (UTC)
			::Absolutely. It'll be used for just vandalism, as set out. Is that the ones from the 190... IP range? That vandalism is getting rather persistent. <span style="font-family:Zemestro;">]]</span> 14:16, 23 June 2011 (UTC)
			:::That's the one. The rangeblocks had expired about two weeks ago. The three main ranges are now blocked for a month. ] (]) 14:25, 23 June 2011 (UTC)
			::::Ah I see...hopefully ''this'' block deters the users from doing it again...not getting my hopes up though. <span style="font-family:Zemestro;">]]</span> 14:35, 23 June 2011 (UTC)
			== Is the time ripe? ==
			*There's a lot of activity at present, and I'm wondering if the time is now ripe... We may have to launch the diacritics RfC shortly, so any help in getting the above page ready would be appreciated. Feedback on timing is also appreciated. --] ] 16:20, 28 June 2011 (UTC)
			== User:Superastig ==
			Hello Prolog. There is this user named Superastig who keeps vandalizing the correct information in the ] page. He keeps vandalizing the article countless times and I had to undo his actions. I even separated ] page from the ] page and he kept redirecting the former page to the latter page because they're separate industries. He also made a useless template for the ] and I added the names of the networks to the MGM Holdings template and added a tag for speedy deletion to the MGM Networks template he created. Can you please look into the history of the pages and keep him from making any unnecessary changes? ] 1:32, July 12, 2011 (UTC)
			:Hey. It seems that you two have run into a number of content disputes. I don't see anyone engaging in ''vandalism'' here. I'm not very familiar with these subjects, so I can't say if you are factually correct about the articles, but I agree that Superastig shouldn't continue to merge The Samuel Goldwyn Company without discussion. He/she should now follow the proper ], although you too can tag the article with {{tl|mergeto}} and create a discussion at ], stating your reasons for objection. This way you could get opinions from other users and maybe even come to a consensus. You can also start a discussion at ], which is watched by many editors. If these don't help, you can try some alternatives at ]. Your deletion nomination of the MGM Networks template is currently incomplete as it is not yet listed at ] (add <nowiki>{{subst:Tfd2|MGM Networks|text=Your rationale. ~~~~}}</nowiki> to ). ] (]) 08:03, 12 July 2011 (UTC)
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			== Just a '']'' :-) ==
			Hello, Prolog …
			I noticed that your last few reverts of {{la|List of Mensans}} have been back to a version by me (also reverting NNs) … I found ] on this Talk page … anywho, just a note that I'm still here, even though my IP has changed several times since then.
			Happy Editing! &mdash; '''{{User|72.75.57.223}}''' <sub>17:48, 12 July 2011 (UTC)</sub>
			:Hey. The flow of non-notable additions and bizarre removals will never end, but I've noticed that you are still doing a great job in keeping the list clean. ] (]) 18:53, 12 July 2011 (UTC)
			== Vandalism ==
			Hello Prolog...
			This user "Ihatechickens214" has been editing many articles from Misplaced Pages. Now he just wrote things on the article of rational numbers. I alredy corrected, but I believe something must be done to this user.--] (]) 18:04, 16 July 2011 (UTC)
			:Thanks for the note. I have blocked the user as a vandalism-only account. If you see another vandal like this, easiest way to stop him/her is to report at ]. ] (]) 18:10, 16 July 2011 (UTC)
			==Block of Eugen Smion 14==
			I believe your block of Eugen Simion 14, while made in good faith, to be excessive. It is clearly a punitive action rather than preventative (as called for in blocking policy), and 1 week is way too long a block length for someone with no vandalism history and no prior warnings. I would ask you either unblock, or at least bring it to ANI for review. ]] (]) 10:10, 24 July 2011 (UTC)
			:A user who is willing to engage in page-move vandalism on our current top article might do pretty much anything, so I do believe the block was preventative. It doesn't have to last a week if he requests an unblock and promises not to continue the behaviour. ] (]) 10:27, 24 July 2011 (UTC)
			== Note ==
			For your information, they're not sockpuppets or block evading. Instead you are experiencing a coordinated attack from a certain website. --]]] 21:17, 30 July 2011 (UTC)
			:Quite like I was going to say. — <span style="font-family: Georgia, Garamond, serif;">] ]</span> 21:18, 30 July 2011 (UTC)
			::Thanks. It indeed felt a bit too much activity from one user. ] (]) 21:25, 30 July 2011 (UTC)
			==Reverting with no basis==
			I just wanted to make sure I have it on record that I think it is wrong for you to revert multiple articles (most brand new articles) when there were no comments about the moves. These would include ], ], ] and ]. These were not long standing articles and to say that they are inaccurate is not true or open to interpretation. I find that comment unworthy of an unbiased administrator in this English wikipedia. Obviously I wouldn't revert them back but to insinuate it's policy by saying "inaccurate" is really strange. I checked all moves with proper English sources before making them but that does not seem to be taken into consideration. Two others pages are being properly discussed because of objections but no one seemed to care about the others. ] (]) 23:04, 7 August 2011 (UTC)
			:Your opinion is noted. In my opinion, articles should not be moved to titles that do not jive with our current practice. "Inaccurate" is indeed a strong adjective, although it can be justified by several sources. "Less accurate", or "non-standard", would've been a better description. I'll note that the two editors who objected to your moves earlier did not have the technical capability to revert. ] (]) 12:42, 8 August 2011 (UTC)
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			== Rallye Automobile Monte Carlo ==
			Plese stop revert my moves.This page must be called "Rallye Automobile Monte Carlo" because it is official name. ] (]) 12:23, 2 October 2011 (UTC)
			:As I already said on your talk page, Misplaced Pages does not necessarily prefer the official name over the common name. "Monte Carlo Rally" is the well-established name for the event, here and elsewhere. If you want to change the status quo, you should take the matter to ] and not move war against other editors. ] (]) 12:29, 2 October 2011 (UTC)
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			Thanks for reverting that vandalism on the ] page. If it's not too much trouble, could you look into getting it protected, even if just temporarily? It's been getting an awful lot of IP vandalism lately. Thanks. ] (]) 22:49, 27 October 2011 (UTC)
			:I don't think there's been enough recent vandalism to justify semi-protection at this time, but I'll add it to my watchlist and keep an eye on the situation. Cheers, ] (]) 23:02, 27 October 2011 (UTC)
			::Good to know, thanks. ] (]) 23:09, 27 October 2011 (UTC)
			==Recycling==
			Prolog, I was contemplating blocking you, or at least warning you, for what seems to be a slow-rate edit war on ], then noticed you're also an admin. I am curious why you continue to revert what appears to be valid sourced content being added to the "criticisms" section of that article, without any discussion on the talk page, or explanation in your edit summary? There's evidently some history concerning the IPs adding that material of which I'm unaware. ~] <small>(])</small> 16:38, 18 November 2011 (UTC)
			:How about checking the ] or of the IPs I'm reverting? I've been ] socks of the banned user ], and I intend to continue this "edit war". The content is not "valid" either. Only one of the paragraphs is backed by a reliable source. The rest of the sources are blog posts and opinion pieces published on partisan websites. ] (]) 17:18, 18 November 2011 (UTC)
			::Thanks, that makes sense. I did notice that the IP was blocked for evasion, but it wasn't clear who the sock was, possibly because I didn't look back far enough in the article history. Just looking at the article's history by itself, showing sourced content being added and reverted without discussion, set of an alarm bell in my head, which is why I decided to ask you about it. I'll be watching out for future similar incidents from this sock too. ~] <small>(])</small> 17:47, 18 November 2011 (UTC)
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			:Tasty. Thanks, ] (]) 18:22, 20 November 2011 (UTC)
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			I have reviewed the GA nomination of this article, and have placed it on hold pending the resolution of some minor prose issues. You can find my review at ], regards. ]] 01:21, 16 December 2011 (UTC)
			== ] ==
			This user is appealing their block, but it is more or less impossible to review it. You blocked them for socking, but there is nothing I can find that indicates how you came to this conclusion and what other accounts you believe they were operating abusively. Given that their last contrib before the unblock request was six months before they were blocked it's hard to see how the block was warranted. I'm hoping you can shed some light on the subject so that the request can be properly reviewed. Thanks. ] (]) 23:20, 29 December 2011 (UTC)
			:The user created the account {{user|Nestor1010}} and continued posting the hoax. ] (]) 23:35, 29 December 2011 (UTC)
			:Thanks for clarifying,. ] (]) 01:57, 30 December 2011 (UTC)
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			What is your rationale behind removing the comment on ] ()? I don't see anything that violates talk page guidelines, the editor that made it had a legitimate question about article content. ''']''' <sup><small>]</small></sup> 02:14, 29 January 2012 (UTC)
			:I see now that he was blocked for sockpuppetry. A default edit summary and no block tag on the editor's talk page are a bit confusing. ''']''' <sup><small>]</small></sup> 02:16, 29 January 2012 (UTC)
			::As can be seen from the contributions pages, I tagged the user page the same minute I reverted the edit and blocked the sock. ] (]) 19:36, 29 January 2012 (UTC)
			:::Sorry about that, I figured that's who it was a sockpuppet of, just didn't see the tag right away. ''']''' <sup><small>]</small></sup> 20:08, 29 January 2012 (UTC)
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			Dear Prolog,
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			Bottom line is that we really need your help, and would really appreciate the opportunity to speak with you. If interested, please send me an email at obar@msu.edu (to maintain anonymity) and I will add your name to my offline contact list. If you feel comfortable doing so, you can post your name ] instead.
			If you have questions or concerns at any time, feel free to email me at obar@msu.edu. I will be more than happy to speak with you.
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			==Identification needed==
			Hi, long time no see! How are you these days?. Can you help me and identify the handsome looking lady at and the guy with glasses next to her? I understand they are of some esteem but don't know who they are and want to find their wiki articles. I know its shot at the house of the composer ] in ], ].♦ ] 22:15, 20 March 2012 (UTC)
			:Hey. I'm fine, thanks. It's nice to hear from you. The woman did look familiar, but unfortunately I can't come up with a possible name for either one. ] (]) 00:43, 21 March 2012 (UTC)
			==Cory Murphy==
			Not at all. Go for it. :-) ] (]) 16:35, 3 April 2012 (UTC)
			:Done. Thanks, ] (]) 16:43, 3 April 2012 (UTC)
			==]==
			You seem to have plenty of required common sense and familiarity with relevant MOS, would you be willing to help sandbox-draft a WP:BLPNAME type proposal to RfC? And try and end the constant disruption? ] (]) 07:38, 13 April 2012 (UTC)
			{{Quotation|(i) BLPs should give accurately the spelling of names in Latin alphabets in full according to the spelling in the current nationality of the person (when current nationality is evident) as per examples in ]. (ii) Where BLP titles include parts of the name spelling in the title, the title should also reflect the spelling per current nationality}}
			For example ] (]) 09:12, 13 April 2012 (UTC)
			:I think it might be a good idea to drop some of the detail, especially if trying to fit a clarification into BLPNAME/BLPSTYLE. I would go with something like "When spelling a living person's name, editors should maintain encyclopedic standards and take into account the subject's preference (if known). The spelling of non-anglicized foreign names often requires the use of ]." ] (]) 08:51, 14 April 2012 (UTC)
			::Thanks, yes that sounds much better. Do you have any other suggestions on who would be good to proofread such a proposal? ] (]) 04:05, 15 April 2012 (UTC)
			:::Prolog, I invited 2 other editors who have shown familiarity with existing WP guidelines in this area to look at the improved version above. We can shift to my Talk page or WT:BLP if that is better. ] (]) 00:35, 17 April 2012 (UTC)
			::::Unless there are more ideas to consider, I think this discussion should continue at WT:BLP. If the proposal generates interest but also raises concerns, it can then be improved. ] (]) 12:24, 17 April 2012 (UTC)
			== ] ==
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			|style="font-size: x-large; padding: 3px 3px 0 3px; height: 1.5em;" | '''Invitation to diacritics guideline discussion at ]'''
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			|style="vertical-align: middle; padding: 3px;" | Hi, you were one of 100+ Users who has commented on a living person Requested Move featuring diacritics (e.g. the é in Beyoncé) in the last 30 days. Following closure of ] RM, a tightening of BLP guidelines is proposed. Your contribution is invited to ] to discuss drafting a proposal for tightening BLP accuracy guidelines for names. ] (]) 00:04, 20 April 2012 (UTC)
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			Feel free to duplicate this invite on the pages of others who have commented, for or against. ] (]) 00:07, 20 April 2012 (UTC)
			* I should have invited OhConfucius but couldn't get his Talkpage to load to paste this. ] (]) 00:14, 25 April 2012 (UTC)
			:*I've left a note there. ] (]) 15:38, 25 April 2012 (UTC)
			::Thanks. But the WT:BLP proposal is dead. Mind if I ask, is PBS a new face on this issue: ] or is there a history I should be aware of? ] (]) 01:13, 29 April 2012 (UTC)
			:::There was an ], but I haven't personally interacted with him much. However, I would say that he is probably one of the oldest faces in this debate. The first major discussion that I know of was ] poll in 2005. ] (]) 21:21, 29 April 2012 (UTC)
			::::Thanks for the background. Illuminating. It does show however that 7 years is a long time. The flavour of that discussion tells me that en.wp is less us/au/ca/uk.wp today than it appears to have been back then, and more us/au/ca/uk.wp editors today are not threatened by "foreign names". ] (]) 23:55, 29 April 2012 (UTC)
			== More Grundle whackamole ==
			]. Thanks. ] <sup>]</sup> 22:16, 5 May 2012 (UTC)
			:Blocked. Let's see if CUs can find more. ] (]) 22:39, 5 May 2012 (UTC)
			::Now we have {{vandal|Barbara at the desk}} as well.--] ] 22:56, 5 May 2012 (UTC)
			:::Blocked. ] (]) 23:25, 5 May 2012 (UTC)
			== Scibaby sock? ==
			- see what you think. ] (]) 07:23, 8 May 2012 (UTC)
			:Without a doubt. I've blocked the account. ] (]) 17:59, 8 May 2012 (UTC)
			Hi.
			Would it be possible to check if user JournalScholar http://en.wikipedia.org/Special:Contributions/JournalScholar is a clone of the banned user Scibaby? The behaviour and certain features of this user have lead me to suspect this possibility.
			Thanks.
			] (]) 07:54, 11 August 2012 (UT
			:Hey. This one is definitely not Scibaby. ] (]) 20:49, 11 August 2012 (UTC)
			==Removal of accuracy line from ]==
			Hi you might wish to note this, . ] (]) 00:13, 24 May 2012 (UTC)
			== ] ==
			I smell a sock... ''']]]''' 00:15, 24 May 2012 (UTC)
			:Definitely, blocked. ] (]) 16:06, 24 May 2012 (UTC)
			== Another handful of Grundle2600 socks ==
			Hi Prolog, since you've helped with swatting this mosquito previously, I wanted to draw your attention to a few new socks he's created to edit-war on ] and/or ] (an article that the original Grundle2600 created and is a perennial obsession.) It's the same edits with the same edit summaries. As if ] weren't enough, likes to admit he's a sock now.
			The new socks are:
			* {{User|1=Magenta 447}}
			* {{User|1=Sixty-seven million}}
			* {{User|1=Sunshine and chocolate}}
			* {{User|1=Epowerfan}}
			* {{User|1=50.0.12.121}}
			Thanks! --] (]) 19:32, 27 May 2012 (UTC)
			:I've blocked the first three accounts as obvious socks and semi-protected these two articles. The rest is up to the CUs. ] (]) 22:11, 27 May 2012 (UTC)
			I've mentioned a semi-protect that you applied to an article in ] SPI report. While I'm not convinced there is a connection (other than sharing the same POV and combative nature) with Grundle2600/Magenta, I'm convinced most of the new throw-away accounts and IPs editing the account you semi-protected are used by just one editor. At least the semi-protect has quieted the article and steered the editor to the talk page temporarily. Thanks for that, ] (]) 23:16, 8 July 2012 (UTC)
			==Chicago MOS==
			Huomenta, a question. Do you have any idea if Chicago MOS make an exception for using Vietnamese diacritics in the case of cultural patrimony, for example in particular ethnomusicology, as e.g. per the Garland Encyclopedia of World Music? ] (]) 10:47, 25 June 2012 (UTC)
			:I don't think ''CMoS'' (latest edition) contains any detailed advice on Vietnamese diacritics. It has sections for about two dozen other languages. ] (]) 22:33, 25 June 2012 (UTC)
			::Thanks. Not that it would carry any weight in RM, just curious. ] (]) 23:16, 25 June 2012 (UTC)
			== Diacritics in Vietnam-related article titles ==
			I'm curious as to how you would apply your position on diacritics in titles in ]. Please discuss it there if you care. — ] 16:08, 22 July 2012 (UTC)
			==6 Oct 2011==
			Hi, I meant to note this before, thought I had, evidently didn't. . You saw the moves counter RM, you noted the delete of Talk-page-links to failed RM before requesting uncontroversial moves. I yesterday noticed the same and asked the two speedy move admins to restore. Do you mind if I ask, was there a reason you didn't at the time? ] (]) 18:41, 23 July 2012 (UTC)
			:Hey. It's sad to see this user has continued gaming the system. I should've reverted those and brought the matter to AN/I back then. I guess it seemed pointless at the time as he was moving articles left and right anyway. ] (]) 10:15, 24 July 2012 (UTC)
			::It may still be pointless. FYI admin Cuchullain has evidently spotted your warning to Kauffner too (I didn't mention it) and linked to it in ]. ] (]) 15:59, 24 July 2012 (UTC)
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			==Scibaby again?==
			{{userlinks|Ruska25}} - what do you think? I get an odour of sock from this one. ] (]) 06:28, 23 August 2012 (UTC)
			:Yep, blocked. ] (]) 16:05, 23 August 2012 (UTC)
			{{userlinks|Steve Handersman}}- Perhaps it's time for a checkuser/full SPI? This is definitely not a new user.... ] (]) 04:51, 27 August 2012 (UTC)
			:I agree it's clearly not a new user and the pattern of behaviour is typical of Scibaby. I've opened an SPI at ] to see if any more socks can be found. ] (]) 06:29, 27 August 2012 (UTC)
			Got another one, {{userlinks|Punashay}}. Persistent bugger, isn't he? ] (]) 08:04, 29 August 2012 (UTC)
			:Yes, and yes. Blocked again. ] (]) 17:45, 30 August 2012 (UTC)
			One more: {{userlinks|Dr. R. Rosen}}. ] (]) 07:03, 4 September 2012 (UTC)
			:Blocked. ] (]) 04:55, 5 September 2012 (UTC)
			==]==
			You've been adding info and that is what I want. I believe that there is plenty of info that can be added so once you and if there is any partner of yours working on the article are done, ping me so that I could give the further comments. Doing great work so far, keep it up :) ''''']&nbsp;<sup>]</sup>''''' 22:10, 23 August 2012 (UTC)
			:Thanks. There is indeed a lot to do, but I'll let you know as soon as I'm finished. ] (]) 17:58, 24 August 2012 (UTC)
			==Hi==
			FYI Following recent RMs restoring undiscussed/tampered moves, I have made mention of your request to ] to stop moving WP:VIET articles counter RM results on ]. I don't have the diff/date to hand. ] (]) 02:32, 26 August 2012 (UTC)
			== SPI evidence ==
			Hi Prolog, I've started a ] to get clarification on SPI evidence and cited your response there. I'll admit to being confused.<br />&nbsp;—&nbsp;] ] 16:38, 27 August 2012 (UTC)
			:Hey. I'll keep an eye on the discussion. Thanks, ] (]) 16:57, 27 August 2012 (UTC)
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			== Huma Abedin ==
			You might consider some dialogue first, before sending this kind of a message.
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			"''Please stop using the article on ] as a platform for spreading widely discredited conspiracy theories.
			"''Your edits are in violation of ] and ]. If you continue to disregard these policies, you will find youself ] from editing Misplaced Pages. ]''"
			===Response===
			I note that that section of the article now includes a link to the official Congressional letter. This is an improvement.
			However, I'm left wondering if you read my actual edit. Further, I'm curious as to how a reasonable person could interpret my edit as "''spreading widely discredited conspiracy theories''." My edit was worded as neutrally as possible and consisted solely of (1) the fact that five members of Congress sent a letter, (2) the fact of to whom it was sent, and (3) facts of the letter's contents (via an excerpt of the relevant portion of the letter) describing information sought.
			If, perhaps, you're referring to the Center for Security Policy I cannot comment, since I'm not familiar with that organization.
			But, this leads to your second statement, and the major problems with the ''Muslim Brotherhood controversy'' section of the Abedin article.
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			The ''Muslim Brotherhood controversy'' section is written defensively, emotionally and one-sidedly in support of the subject person, while deliberately intending to cast the five members of Congress in a negative light. &ndash; (ref. ] / Writing Style / Tone)
			Personal testimonials &mdash; such as those from John McCain, Lindsey Graham, Scott Brown, Ed Rollins and John Boehner &mdash; do not comport with encyclopedic style and/or content. &ndash; (ref. ])
			As written, without providing background information, this section attempts to convince the reader that the testimonial givers are right, and that the five members of Congress and the Center for Security Policy are wrong. &ndash; (ref. ], ])
			An honest assessment is clearly needed of the neutrality of the Abedin article. ] (]) 19:35, 10 September 2012 (UTC)<small><span class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (] • ]) 16:11, 10 September 2012 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned -->
			:Balance does not mean equal weight between the mainstream account and the fringe theories. The allegations comprise 20% of the body section of the article, with the whole controversy at about 50%. In other words, both the controversy and the fringe side of it are already given undue weight. You made the BLP problem worse by removing the entire mainstream view and adding more wacky partisan claims that the State Department has been "enormously favorable" to the Muslim Brotherhood. As for the letter, it is self-published and written by Abedin's political opponents; it does not qualify as a reliable source on the subject (]). McCain's comments, on the other hand, are noteworthy as they drew praise and appeared in thousands of newspapers around the world. ] (]) 18:05, 10 September 2012 (UTC)
			===Second response===
			::You raised a number of points. Unfortunately, you didn't address, nor do I sense that you considered, any of the points I raised (and supported). Nevertheless, I'll address the points ''you'' raised.
			::First &mdash; When you say "fringe theories" and "wacky partisan claims," it indicates that you may have already taken a position personally and are now judging the 'controversy' section of the Abedin article based upon your own personal viewpoint, rather than assuring that the article reflects a simple presentation of the facts&mdash;as required by Misplaced Pages's neutrality policy. (Ref. WP:NPOV)
			::As currently written, one sees McCain, Graham, Brown, Rollins and Boehner presented on one side of the issue, and Bachmann, Franks, Gohmert, Rooney, Westmoreland, and the Center for Security Policy on another side. This looks like a roughly 50-50 split, and not a "fringe theory."
			::In any case, ''theories'' (of any type) do not belong in this article, but rather only ''facts''. Which is why, in my edit, the Center for Security Policy appeared only as part of the quoted letter, and also why I removed the testimonials.
			::Second &mdash; It's unclear how a reasonable person could dispute that Abedin is the subject of a Congressional investigation. It is simply a ''fact''. And the Congressional letter ''documents'' that fact.
			::It ''is'' clear, however, that discussions of this issue can get very heated. Therefore, if one wishes to present the facts of the various sides of the Muslim Brotherhood influence issue, then that should be the subject of its ''own'' Misplaced Pages article. That type of discussion goes well beyond the scope of an Abedin biography article.
			::Third &mdash; You are misunderstanding the term 'self-published.' Self-published refers to material written and published about one's own self. (Ref. WP:BLPSPS) Bachmann, et al, are not writing about themselves.
			::Their letter is official communication from the legislative branch of the government to the executive branch of the government. Hence, as official Congressional correspondence (whether one agrees with the content, or not) it is definitely an acceptable, permissible source.
			::That Bachmann, et al, are "Abedin's political opponents" is your own assumption of the motives of those conducting the investigation. A letter requesting information does not qualify them for your label of Abedin's "political opponents."
			::Fourth &mdash; Whether McCain's comments drew praise from newspapers is irrelevant. McCain's comments are opinion. Opinion is not the same as presenting facts which allow the reader to decide for himself&mdash;which is the policy required by Misplaced Pages, as I indicated previously.
			::Nevertheless, it would be a stretch, ''but'' these comments ''could'' be left in, if they are clearly labeled as opinion, ''and'', for balance, personal testimonials are added which support Bachmann, et al. Once again, allowing the reader then to decide for himself.
			::In conclusion &mdash; This article, as currently written, does not meet Misplaced Pages's required editorial standards. ] (]) 23:05, 15 September 2012 (UTC)
			:::Again, neutrality does not mean counting heads and giving equal weight to each of them. If it did, the articles on ] and the ] would look very different. "Facts" that are not supported by reputable sources don't belong on Misplaced Pages or in any other serious reference work. You fundamentally misunderstood BLPSPS: "Never use self-published sources as sources of material about a living person, unless written or published by the subject." Bachmann's letter was not published by an independent publisher with a reputation for fact-checking and accuracy; it was self-published by Bachmann et al. Therefore, it might be usable for Bachmann's article, but it is not in any way appropriate as a source on Abedin. ] (]) 08:37, 16 September 2012 (UTC)
			===Third response===
			What is becoming obvious is that you are determined to maintain a pro-Abedin slant in the article, in violation of one of the most fundamental of Misplaced Pages's policies, the neutral point-of-view.
			In your responses you make claims, but you offer no support for your claims. Unsupported assertions resolve nothing.
			Let's try it again.
			Prolog: "''Again, neutrality does not mean counting heads and giving equal weight to each of them''..."
			Leaving aside for the moment the fact that there are on-going official Congressional inquiries into Muslim Brotherhood influence, it was your own claim earlier that Muslim Brotherhood influence is a "fringe theory," yet you fail to provide any methodology for determining fringe theories. So, it remains simply your claim.
			Therefore, my conclusion is at least as valid as yours (if not more so), that based upon the article's own content, opinion is about evenly divided when one, as you put it, 'counts heads.' (i.e., Bachmann, et al vs. McCain, et al) Ergo, not a "fringe theory."
			Prolog: "''If it did, the articles on global warming and the September 11 attacks would look very different.''"
			What those articles ''might'' look like is irrelevant to this discussion.
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			In that case, inserting the ''opinions'' of McCain, et al, cannot be justified, as they are 'not supported by reputable sources,' but only by McCain himself.
			Prolog: "''You fundamentally misunderstood BLPSPS: "Never use self-published sources as sources of material about a living person, unless written or published by the subject.''""
			Once again, self-published does ''not'' mean something that someone has written. If it did, then all of Misplaced Pages's content would have to be removed, since someone has written.everything in it.
			Self-published means, rather, material that a person has written about ''himself'' or about ''herself''. That this is the case becomes readily apparent when one considers the phrase from ]: "''Living persons may publish material about themselves. . .''" Michele Bachmann was ''not'' writing about herself.
			I suggest you consult other, '''disinterested''' administrators for clarification.
			(http://www.webster-dictionary.org/definition/disinterested)
			Prolog: "''Bachmann's letter was not published by an independent publisher with a reputation for fact-checking and accuracy; it was self-published by Bachmann et al.''"
			You cannot use this rationale to dismiss the Bachmann letter. The opinions of McCain, et al, (which you are supporting) were also 'not published by an independent publisher with a reputation for fact-checking and accuracy.' They are McCain's own statements, just as Bachmann's letter is her own statement. Your reasoning is not logical.
			Prolog: "''Therefore, it might be usable for Bachmann's article, but it is not in any way appropriate as a source on Abedin.''"
			On the contrary, it is the essence of this section of the Abedin article. It is entirely appropriate as a reference source on Abedin, because, as I already described in an earlier response, it establishes and documents the ''fact'' that Abedin is the subject of a Congressional investigation, nothing more, nothing less.
			'''Conclusion'''
			1. The pro-Abedin testimonials should be removed.
			2. The excerpt from the Bachmann letter should be restored.
			Most troubling, though, it appears that your own personal viewpoint is interferring with your ability to edit objectively.
			] (]) 16:08, 23 October 2012 (UTC)
			:Reliable consider the ] as fringe; not just me. You are simply refusing to accept the vast difference between a self-published partisan letter and a reputed neutral third-party source, and even failing to understand what ] means (''that'' is what you should have looked up in a dictionary). I don't know if you ] to edit here or if you are just trying to ] your way around established policy. In either case, if you struggle with the simplest publishing terms, you will struggle with Misplaced Pages's content policies. Please don't waste my time. ] (]) 04:56, 24 October 2012 (UTC)
			::Trust me, I wouldn't be wasting ''my'' time if you weren't obstructing a cleanup of the article.
			::You still haven't explained how the Bachmann letter falls into the catagory of self-publication. Frankly, I'm beginning to question your competence.
			::Have you consulted other, disinterested administrators for clarification? If so, whom? ] (]) 16:43, 26 October 2012 (UTC)
			:::If five people write a letter independently of any publisher and the main author publishes it as a PDF on her official website, the letter is a self-published work. Did you even click the wikilink above? The definition in the article is correct: "Self-publishing is the publication of any book or other media by the author of the work, without the involvement of an established third-party publisher." ] (]) 06:06, 27 October 2012 (UTC)
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			I've made few changes; removed promotional terms from lead and did some width changes to get it to GA. I did it myself as they all were minor. Thanks! ''''']&nbsp;<sup>]</sup>''''' 13:06, 20 September 2012 (UTC)
			:Thanks a lot! ] (]) 17:30, 20 September 2012 (UTC)
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			== Huma Abedin Controversy ==
			In a Controversy-paragraph it is usefull not only to mention the anti-controversy information but also the BASIS of the controversy. If that is not done the information is ONE-SIDED and that is not the policy of Misplaced Pages! ] (]) 07:44, 25 October 2012 (UTC)
			:Your sources (WND, Counterjihadreport.com, ''The Source with Ezra Levant'' and court records) fail ] and ] by a country mile, and the YouTube link is not allowed per ]. If you can't find a single reliable source to back up your claims, your factoids are unsuitable for an encyclopedia. This is not one-sidedness; it is due weight (see ] and ]). ] (]) 09:25, 25 October 2012 (UTC)
			== FYI ==
			]
			] (]) 09:49, 5 November 2012 (UTC)
			== Your ] essay ==
			Please see comments ''']'''. &nbsp; ] (]) 05:17, 6 November 2012 (UTC)
			== Scibaby yet again? ==
			{{user|Mike Nature Trick}} is up to a rather familiar pattern of editing... ] (]) 21:11, 2 December 2012 (UTC)
			:Agreed. I'm keeping an eye on the account. ] (]) 22:56, 2 December 2012 (UTC)
			::Got a live one for you: {{user|Call Me Ream}}. ] (]) 01:43, 9 December 2012 (UTC)
			== Michael Moore's page ==
			'rv poorly sourced quotes'
			'''What's wrong''' with citing from a Moore-written article, from the ]?
			http://www.stopwar.org.uk/index.php/usa-war-on-terror/2158-michael-moore-why-i-dont-support-the-troops-america-and-neither-do-you
			] (]) 16:53, 28 February 2013 (UTC)Beingsshepherd
			:You added a large number of quotes, separating them with commas and losing much of the context. That constitutes a confusing list of sentences the subject wrote on the topic, rather than a proper summary of his views. This article indeed works as a source (unlike the two others), but self-published sources must be used carefully to maintain due weight and ensure that the additions are appropriate for an encyclopedia. Please also note that bolding should never be used for emphasis. ] (]) 18:57, 28 February 2013 (UTC)
			== Whisson Windmill ==
			Hi mate! Just trying to ascertain the rationale behind to ]. The comment was certainly off topic, but it was clearly in response to the article creator being raised as an issue by a visiting admin. You didn't really explain ''why'' you thought it should be removed in your edit summary and generally, comments at AFD aren't removed unless they contain a personal attack, outing or something that can't be resolved in the discussion or by hatting the comment. I certainly won't revert your revert but I thought I should raise it here rather than there. <small>Feel free to respond here, if you like.</small> Cheers, ]] 23:29, 10 March 2013 (UTC)
			:Oh, fail. Just noticed you blocked him as a sock-puppet. That explains that. My apologies! Carry on with your excellent work. Cheers, ]] 23:35, 10 March 2013 (UTC)
			== ] ==
			I'm a fan. Nice to see :) - ] <sup>]</sup> 23:20, 29 May 2013 (UTC)
			:I like the era. Had to insert the interwikis manually as there are two Wikidata pages for the person, and I have no idea how to merge those. ] (]) 23:49, 29 May 2013 (UTC)
			== ] ==
			You know very well that your deletions have nothing to do with any Misplaced Pages violations and everything to do with anti-Catholic bigotry. The very issues about anti-Catholicism in the 'Catholic World Report' articles were addressed during an internationally aired interview with 'Mea Maxima Culpa' director ] conducted by ] on the show ] (11/13/02).
			You clearly have an agenda with regards to this film and obviously do not want readers to know about legitimate criticism of it.
			You provide more evidence for the fact that anti-Catholicism is the last accepted bigotry around.
			Not cool. Not cool at all.
			Soon to be banned? (If anti-Catholicism rules the day, then yes.) ] (]) 01:19, 7 July 2013 (UTC)
			== Sockpuppetry ==
			Hi. I'm just curious, how did you determine that Ss6j81avz is a sock of Grundle2600? He/she seems to have gotten away with it through hundreds of edits over 3 months... --] (]) 22:16, 17 July 2013 (UTC)
			:Hey. I'm not a checkuser so my sock blocks are based on behavioral evidence (unless otherwise stated). For obvious reasons, I won't go into the specifics here. ] (]) 22:39, 17 July 2013 (UTC)
			. --] (]) 22:27, 22 July 2013 (UTC)
			: {{confirmed}} per CU - ] <sup>]</sup> 00:48, 23 July 2013 (UTC)
			::Thanks. I have blocked the account. ] (]) 04:25, 23 July 2013 (UTC)
			How about ? And is there a policy I can cite to reverse them? --] (]) 05:25, 23 July 2013 (UTC)
			: {{confirmed}} - if things get really bad, I can possibly rangeblock. And yeah, ] - ] <sup>]</sup> 05:36, 23 July 2013 (UTC)
			's kind of stinky too. Precocious and similar POV. --] (]) 04:51, 15 October 2013 (UTC)
			* ''sigh'' - {{confirmed}} - ] <sup>]</sup> 05:17, 15 October 2013 (UTC)
			's another one. --] (]) 16:52, 15 October 2013 (UTC)
			== IAAF Hall of Fame ==
			You seem to have fun deleting the list of people reaching the specification for the ]. I will note I did not start this list, there is an on page invitation to expand the list which I did from yes my knowledge of medalists and world records, but ALL OF THIS IS PUBLIC RECORD. There is no secrecy who has won each Olympic medal since 1896. The world record progressions are less well documented, just because the IAAF keeps misdirecting the information on their website, but it is still well documented because other people are retaining what IAAF has published in the past. It is written history. A name on the list from 1947 is going to remain on the list today. It will be an unnecessary duplication of effort to source each entry here, you can click on each name and see these famous athletes' accomplishments and each is well sourced on their own pages. Start with sports-reference.com I've been over the list of names here quite thoroughly. So as I said when I reverted your deletion of content, show me an error, particularly an error I committed. ] (]) 11:41, 28 July 2013 (UTC)
			:Believe me, it is not "fun" to see an experienced editor repeatedly insert factual errors and text-book original research. I'll give you a few examples of why policies such as ], ], ] and ] exist:
			:* Bailey has three WC gold medals, not one.
			:* Kipketer does not qualify as he retired in 2005.
			:* Lopes does not qualify with only one gold (you fixed this one, although only after twice reinserting it).
			:* Mutola does not qualify as she retired in 2008.
			:* Ritola set two 10,000 m world records in 1924; not one in 1900.
			:* Saneyev set three world records, not one.
			:* Virén set three world records, not one.
			:* Železný does not qualify as he retired in 2006.
			:These are the errors I noticed with just a quick look. I haven't investigated the claims about athletes I am less familiar with. Even with all the errors supposedly fixed, the list is unsourced, unencyclopedic, crystal-balling junk and needs to be nuked from mainspace (keep it in your userspace if you must). You need to understand that claims need to be explicitly supported by a reliable source, not just to the point where you can reach your own conclusions (read ] very carefully). Even if you do find such a source for some athlete, the claim has no place in the main article as the list of possible inductees is not an encyclopedic subject. ] (]) 15:14, 28 July 2013 (UTC)
			::Your irrational overreactions and now threats are perplexing. What I responded to was apparently posted first in by ], which contained an invitation to add more names. When I discovered this article, 14 months later, much of the content you object to had already been posted by Kasper and ] and a host of others. Most of your objections seem to be on the basis of minor details as to the exact number of medals they have received, when they received them or the official date of their retirement. Yes those are details of the criteria, so yes there are details to be cleaned up. You as an editor chose not to clean up details you readily admit are details YOU KNOW. I'll note you haven't provided a source either. Those of us in the know, I'll include you in this statement, know this information is very public and easily sourceable. I contend this information is so common, sourcing does not need to be duplicated on a non-BLP page where these articles are wikilinked. There is no violation of ] and additionally (aside from minor numerical values that do not affect the outcome) the information is correct. You can check the sources yourself. You obviously did. So there is no question about ]. You discovered minor errors, most of which were not mine until I had to respond to YOUR wholesale deletion of the section. The statement is "Other athletes who match the criteria." You also obviously understand the criteria from which all this information is generated. There is no mystery here. You couldn't make the corrections you put in this talk page above if it were not publicly understood, clearly there is no ] here. These are minimums and even with factual changes, all meet the minimums, or in the detail of retirement dates, will. Perhaps the most egregious error in the list is , not my edit. And even that was only that the overzealous IP counted Lopes' two IAAF World Championships at Cross Country, which could be close enough but are technically not track and field, meaning its a gray area to the criteria. And since this is a statement of fact that these athletes match the criteria, not stating that they are in fact members of the Hall, there is no predictive action here and this is clearly not ]. What this is, is YOU starting an unnecessary ]. You are on your fourth revert without making any contribution to the content other than repeated deletion. , to get other people involved. Instead you have insisted on keeping it on the path less traveled and bounce between our private talk pages. So I suggest you are the troublemaker here on multiple grounds. For now, I suggest again you take your ONE PERSON OPINION about the validity of the section to the page's talk page. Lets hear some other comments. I suggest you invite Kasper, the IPs, plus all the other contributors to that section (there are a bunch) to talk on the issue so we can reach a consensus on your deletion. Be thorough, I'm watching. Barring any positive action by you, the next time I return I'll revert again and will copy all this discussion to the talk page. ] (]) 09:48, 2 August 2013 (UTC)
			:::You state that "there is no violation of WP:BLP" and "clearly there is no WP:OR here", but you have not produced a single source that would verify any of those athletes as a possible future inductee. Simply stating that I am wrong is not addressing the concerns. In case it was not obvious which bits of policy I was referring to, I'll quote a few here:
			:::* ]: "The burden of evidence lies with the editor who adds or restores material, and is satisfied by providing a reliable source that directly supports the material."
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			:::* ]: "Do not combine material from multiple sources to reach or imply a conclusion not explicitly stated by any of the sources."
			:::* ]: "Misplaced Pages is not a collection of unverifiable speculation. It is appropriate to report discussion and arguments about the prospects for success of future proposals and projects or whether some development will occur, if discussion is properly referenced. It is not appropriate for editors to insert their own opinions or analyses."
			:::* ]: "...any material challenged or likely to be challenged must be explicitly attributed to a reliable, published source, which is usually done with an inline citation. Contentious material about living persons (or in some cases, recently deceased) that is unsourced or poorly sourced – whether the material is negative, positive, neutral, or just questionable – should be removed immediately and without waiting for discussion."
			:::I have taken this matter to ]. ] (]) 11:37, 2 August 2013 (UTC)
			{{outdent}} I completely agree with ]. Having myself "open" this list, it is clear that it (as is usually allowed from wikipedia), is expanding. If ] had found errors in it, he had to correct it do not delete it. I therefore ask that the list is reinserted. --] (]) 09:58, 2 August 2013 (UTC)
			:Please address the concerns about this content at the new discussion I linked above. ] (]) 11:37, 2 August 2013 (UTC)
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			== Martin Bashir ==
			What can be a more authoritative source on Martin Bashir than Martin Bashir himself? It seems that Misplaced Pages's definition of "reliable source" is indistinguishable from "pre-filtered pre-approved closed loop echo chamber." Content might be offensive, but it is accurate and is as well documented as is technically possible with 2013 consumer technology. ] (]) 22:07, 17 November 2013 (UTC)
			:Your source was an unreliable blog, and you misrepresented Bashir's comments by making conclusions about what the subject "suggested" and by leaving out all context. If you think your content was "accurate" and "well documented", you do not understand this project's core policies. The fact that no reputable newspaper has covered this shows that the content does not belong in an encyclopedia, even if it was rewritten in a neutral tone. ] (]) 10:13, 18 November 2013 (UTC)
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			I noticed that your edits to ] were very selective and incredibly biased. You changed words like "hero" to "perpetrator" and "battle" to "attack". It seems like you're going out of your way to make him into the villain. It's just like NBC's treatment of George Zimmerman. I don't think people with such hateful biases like yourself should be editing people's pages. <small><span class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding ] comment added by ] (] • ]) 06:22, 11 December 2013 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
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			==Joan Walsh==
			About the ] quote, it is real. I remember when she wrote the article in 1990 and it was printed in the Examiner. It caused a real commotion in the Bay Area, with people arguing about it in print and in periodicals for several weeks. There was no internet then (at least no internet as we know it). Just because it happened before the internet doesn't mean it didn't happen or it isn't controversial and worth including in the article. ] (]) 23:51, 13 December 2013 (UTC)
			:Replied at ]. ] (]) 07:07, 15 December 2013 (UTC)
			==Edit LiveScience==
			I see you reverted my edits on this topic. I would like to comply with Misplaced Pages guidelines, and though I am new, your explanation for your edit is not clear. Another user, GoBonobo, deleted my addition on the grounds of WP: NOR. I didn't see this, and, thinking my addition just hadn't posted properly, I reposted it. Losing it twice made me look more closely, and I saw you deleted it for the same reason she did as well as for personal commentary. I read Wiki's NOR policy and tried again. You were right that my first post contained an opinion in the first sentence (which I thought would not be controversial), so I removed it and relied on a secondary source. You deleted it again with the comment "same crap plus some blogger's opinion." Regarding the list of topics, I can source all of those if it is necessary. I sourced all the contributors. Regarding the publication's characterization of policies it opposes--if you read the articles footnoted, I don't think you will find I have mischaracterized their stance.
			Please explain specifically how the parts you object to conflict with WP's policies. Regarding the article by Berezow in RealClearSience, I don't understand why it is against the policies to discuss public criticism. I recall seeing it discussed in many Misplaced Pages articles, and I don't recall seeing anything in guidelines prohibiting it. The blogger in question, Alex Berezow, is the Founding Editor of RealClearScience, has a Ph.D. in Microbiology, and has been published in USA Today, The Los Angeles Times, US News and World Report, The Economist, and The Wall Street Journal, etc. See more here, http://www.linkedin.com/pub/alex-b-berezow/0/22a/700. <small><span class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding ] comment added by ] (] • ]) 03:31, 4 January 2014 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
			:You should not be characterizing the publication's articles, authors or policy views in any way; that is a job for ] such as scholarly works and reputable newspapers and books. If a proper source does not exist, the content does not belong in the encyclopedia. Picking a few articles published by the subject and drawing conclusions from them is ] and never acceptable, even if you think you're being very accurate and fair. Berezow's views are noted at ]. If his opinion on LiveScience has not been picked up by third-party sources, it would be ] to report it in the article. Welcome, ] (]) 15:18, 4 January 2014 (UTC)
			== Stop your vandalism ==
			The information I've added is perfectly in line with the rules. If it has excessive weight in the article, go ahead and make the article larger. You can't remove sourced info just because you don't like it. You can try explaining your vandalism on the talk page of the article. ] (]) 15:00, 22 February 2014 (UTC)
			:Misplaced Pages ]. The sourced bits are an ] copy-paste from the event article, which you are inappropriately forking into Jauhojärvi's article in your mission to ] and ]. I retained a neutral summary about the quickly rejected protest, but Välbe's opinion has no place to be highlighted in Jauhojärvi's biography. Due weight is not negotiable and, per ], the onus to ensure the material is in line with policy is on the editor who adds or restores the content. That's you. Given your appalling and blockworthy against the living subject on both the article and the talk page, you might find yourself blocked from editing the next time you attempt to reinsert a BLP violation into the article. ] (]) 21:05, 22 February 2014 (UTC)
			:: I just realized you're severely biased. You're from Finland. Of course this controversy affects your national pride. A perfect example of conflict of interest. You're already twisting the rules. SOAP and CWW have nothing to do with this. I suggest you stay out of it until you learn to differentiate between personal and objective. As for everything else, there's a thing called consensus, and I AGAIN, for the FOURTH time, encourage you to use the article's talk page to discuss it instead of abusing your administrator's rights and threatening me. Thank you. ] (]) 04:08, 23 February 2014 (UTC)
			Please join the conversation on ]. --] '']'' 07:58, 23 February 2014 (UTC)
			== An RfC that you ''may'' be interested in... ==
			As one of the previous contributors to {{Tl|Infobox film}} or as one of the commenters on it's talk page, I would like to inform you that there has been a ] started on the talk page as to ]. Your comments and thoughts on the matter would be welcomed. Happy editing!
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			==Simo Häyhä==
			:Remember, that '''as mere''' (It's maybybe truth or not, so Hayha was highest kill or not). We can't confirm that, and i think ''"one of the highest"'' is exactly than ''"highest"''] (]) 16:26, 23 April 2014 (UTC)
			::We write what ] say and don't give ] to unconfirmed, fringe claims. You have still not provided a single reliable source for your wording change to "one of the highest", and the unreliable sources you used have now been shown to present shady figures that have not been accepted by reputable publications. Either stop reverting or start presenting sources that aren't random websites or WW2 propaganda bulletins that don't even mention the subject (]). ] (]) 17:21, 23 April 2014 (UTC)
			:::Banner of Victory (Знамена Победы) - Russian book 1975. It's realiable sources] (]) 01:26, 24 April 2014 (UTC)
			::::The book, published by ], a party organ not usually considered reliable here, quotes a colorful bit from a WW2 bulletin with in-text attribution and makes no mention of Häyhä. You can not use this highly questionable source to synthesize and contradict assertions from reputable major newspapers. Your change fails all the three core content policies: ], ] (]) and ] (]). ] (]) 02:32, 24 April 2014 (UTC)
			:::::New book: Special Forces Sniper Skills. Robert Stirling: http://books.google.com.vn/books?id=fCqZ7ozPJ9YC&pg=PT28&dq=702+confirm+kill&hl=vi&sa=X&ei=d31YU7bbFoPd8AX7q4H4Bg&redir_esc=y#v=onepage&q=702%20confirm%20kill&f=false <small><span class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding ] comment added by ] (] • ]) 02:58, 24 April 2014 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
			::::::That's reliable, but it too Häyhä as the sniper-kill record holder despite mentioning Surkov and his figure earlier: "The top Russian male sniper was Mikhail Surkov of the 4th Rifle Division with 702 confirmed kills over the course of the Axis invasion. Besides the Russians he killed with his rifle, Häyhä killed a further 200 men with a Suomi KP/-31 submachine gun, thus bringing his credited kills to at least 705. Unofficially, he is thought to have killed more than 800 men in the 100 days, but his accredited sniping total of 505 is the highest number of confirmed sniping kills in any war." However, I wouldn't now object to a change as long as it reflects the near unanimity of reliable sources. The wording used by '''' seems fair: "Finnish sniper Simo Hayha killed more than 500 Soviets during World War II, ''by most estimates'' a world record in known combat operations. " ] (]) 13:35, 24 April 2014 (UTC)
			:::::::Remember, 200 kill with submachine gun is PROBALY kill (we can't confirm because sub-machine gun were used at close combat). If we count probaly kill, Surkov have more than 1.000 kills, Zaitsev have more than 500 kills, etc... I said we can't confirm who is the best (because these Probaly kills). So, we can write: ''by most estimates'' the '''one of the highest record''' in known combat operations] (]) 14:55, 24 April 2014 (UTC)
			::::::::Our job is to stick to what reliable sources write about the subject. There are plenty of sources for a wording like "the highest" and WaPo for something like "by most estimates, the highest". Do you have a reliable source for your suggestion ("by most estimates the one of the highest record")? ] (]) 15:49, 24 April 2014 (UTC)
			:::::::::See http://books.google.com.vn/books?id=jCf9ysI0VvMC&pg=PT56&dq=simo+hayha+one+of+the+highest&hl=vi&sa=X&ei=EzpZU_rjO8XqlAW05oGQDw&redir_esc=y#v=onepage&q=simo%20hayha%20one%20of%20the%20highest&f=false - '''One of the world's deadliest'''] (]) 16:23, 24 April 2014 (UTC)
			::::::::::"One of the world's deadliest soldiers", not "one of the world's deadliest snipers". I also don't think that this book qualifies as reliable as the publisher seems to be a convert-file-to-ebook service (]). ] (]) 16:50, 24 April 2014 (UTC)
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			:Keep those "facts" to yourself. This is an encyclopedia. ] (]) 04:52, 5 May 2014 (UTC)
			Yes, and encyclopediae are made up of facts the last time I checked. ] (]) 04:59, 5 May 2014 (UTC)
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			== Minor typo in infoboxes ==
			Hi, I noticed that you are an active editor and admin from Finland and as a fellow-finn just thought to ask about this little typo in infoboxes. For example in the articles about ], ], ] etc. there is the word "area" and a given date (2011-01-01) typed together although they should be separated by a space. I tried to edit this line in the text but couldn't do it, but is it somehow possible to fix this little error? Thanks/Kiitti :) ] (]) 09:35, 24 August 2014 (UTC)
			:Good catch. It seems fixed it. ] (]) 16:19, 24 August 2014 (UTC)
			== Hello ==
			Just wanted to pop in and say hello!! I'll be getting on for ten years ago soon that I created ]! Doesn't time fly!♦ ] 19:33, 20 September 2014 (UTC)
			:Hey. You can't argue with timestamps of the past, but at least you can try to ignore them. So, nice to meet you! ] (]) 12:00, 26 September 2014 (UTC)
			== Alpine Rally ==
			I want to emphasize that the "Alpine Rally" (or "Rallye des Alpes") and the "Coupes des Alpes" are two different rally.
			Both share the same history as the Austrian Alpenfarht but are totally different now.
			At the end of the 80s two distinct association were created:
			- Rally Story (which runs the "Coupes des Alpes") www.rallystory.com
			- Alpine Rally Association (which runs the "Rallye des Alpes") www.rallyedesalpes.com
			The "Rallye des Alpes" is the revival of the "Alpenfarht" and if you look like at the event you will see that is like back at the old times.
			Others differences:
			- The "Coupes des Alpes" is only in France unlike the "Rallye des Alpes" which is international (Switzerland, France, Austria, Italy and Germany).
			- The "Rallye des Alpes" is historic and welcomes only cars built from 1910 to 1963.
			One fact to be careful with is that the trophy that you win in the "Rallye des Alpes" is a coupe des Alpes.
			I'm sure together we can improve these wiki pages, make them better and right. <small><span class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding ] comment added by ] (] • ]) 10:39, 1 October 2014 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
			:Hey. Please take some time to familiarize yourself with Misplaced Pages's policies, such as ], ] and ]. The article at hand is about the rally that existed in its own form from 1932 to 1971, as reported by Martin Pfundner in ''Alpine Trials & Rallies'' and by other ]. Additional information about the subject's roots and development is welcome as long as it is written with an encyclopedic tone and based on a source with a reputation for fact-checking and accuracy. Similarly, revival events can be mentioned in the article if they have been noted by independent, reputable sources. If you are connected to the Alpine Rally Association, you should also read the Misplaced Pages guideline on ]. ] (]) 13:45, 1 October 2014 (UTC)
			== ] ==
			why did you revert this bc of npov reasons? As I remember this being a controversy. ] (]) 13:23, 29 November 2014 (UTC)
			:The addition was made by a sockpuppet account in violation of the ]'s community ban. ] (]) 13:48, 29 November 2014 (UTC)
			::I also noticed you reverting posts by ] over at ]. Where is the evidence that this user is a sockpuppet of ]? I don't see any case listed at ]. I clicked through to the contributions page of each account, and I couldn't find any conclusive behavioral evidence linking the two accounts. Where is the justification for the accusations of sockpuppetry? Where is the investigation and the community discussion building a case for the block? ] (]) 05:22, 30 November 2014 (UTC)
			:::Admins are free to act on the behavioral evidence they have gathered, and often ] when dealing with serial sockpuppeteers and other long-term abuse of the project. The evidence in this case was 100% conclusive. Hence the block. ] (]) 11:59, 30 November 2014 (UTC)
			::::So where is this 100% conclusive evidence? I don't mean to sound confrontational, but I just find it a little disconcerting that someone can be accused of being a sockpuppet and be blocked indefinitely by a single person acting as judge, jury, and executioner. ] (]) 14:23, 30 November 2014 (UTC)
			:::::If you don't see the evidence, you're not familiar with this breed of ]s. An obvious sock does not need to be obvious to all passersby. ] (]) 18:16, 30 November 2014 (UTC)
			::::::A duck test is hardly appropriate for this accusation. You should really apply some actual evidence before wholesale removing of sourced information. Furthermore, your linked essay is not a guideline and does not apply as none of what rev did could be considered vandalism. Overzealous administration is probably just as bad as the crime you are claiming. ] (]) 18:56, 30 November 2014 (UTC)
			:::::::Given that CU is not even accepted to confirm obvious socks, I'm all ears about this exciting new alternative to behavioral analysis that finally provides "some actual evidence". ] (]) 22:40, 30 November 2014 (UTC)
			::::::::All I'm looking for is some evidence of these behaviors that make the connection so obvious. You said it was 100% conclusive that these two accounts were created by the same person. Well, if you're absolutely sure that it's a duck, then certainly it should be easy to point to its duck-bill, its duck-feet, its duck-quack, its duck-waddle, etc. After going through ]'s disputed contributions, it seems like the offense that got him sanctioned was repeatedly creating new articles with titles that insult political figures. I don't see any of that in ]'s contributions. Their behavior is completely different, with no true vandalism coming from ]. In fact, the only resemblance between ] and ] that I can see is a possible vague similarity in their political views. However, it would be pretty bad if Misplaced Pages administrators were abusing the sockpuppet-blocking mechanism to systematically weed out editors they thought had particular political views, wouldn't it? How many other accounts have you accused of being sockpuppets of ]? After reading the ] related to ], I'm concerned that the campaign against his socks may have become a politically-fueled witch hunt. Can you please offer some evidence for your sockpuppet accusations (also against ]...the accusations look quite unsubstantiated there) to reassure me that these actions against editors are not as subjective as they seem? ] (]) 01:23, 1 December 2014 (UTC)
			:::::::::The evidence for my sock blocks is always available to any administrator, and to any trusted editor with relevant experience. You are looking at edits from 2010 or earlier for comparison with a 2014 sock, contesting a block on a 2010 CU-confirmed sock and wondering why I don't post what is essentially a guide on how socks should try to avoid detection in the future. I have no desire to be someone's tutor or to alleviate "concerns" that are nothing but clueless conspiracy theories. ] (]) 14:29, 1 December 2014 (UTC)
			::::::::::Per , it is a violation of policy to even use CU on an account unless that account has already engaged in disruptive behavior. There are serious privacy issues, and CU has a . If you have blocked even one good-faith editor in pursuit of socks that haven't even caused any disruption, then you are doing more harm to the Misplaced Pages project than your quarry. ] (]) 16:06, 1 December 2014 (UTC)
			== ] ==
			Hi, this was recently promoted to GA and at the time badly needed improvement. I'm trying to get it up to at least near GA status. I was wondering if you could translate the or a decent source and I can help source it?♦ ] 13:03, 11 December 2014 (UTC)
			:Hey. Great work, but I'm afraid I don't have the time to look into this right now. ] (]) 00:06, 12 December 2014 (UTC)
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			:Thanks. I think that without your initial edits the template would have remained unfixed for a long time. ] (]) 17:21, 14 December 2014 (UTC)
			== Dubious edits ==
			Hi, I'm not quite sure about the recent edits in ] whether they are constructive or not, but decided to report them here. I'm not certain about the edit by 75.155.35.37 but I think this user 142.110.227.189 has done some suspicious deletions of text and already has a previous track record in pointless editing. I'm not sure if they are vandalism or how to report them properly but just decided to give a heads up. ] (]) 12:31, 14 December 2014 (UTC)
			:Hey. It looks like everything has been fixed by another editor. 75.155 changed the wording in a direct quote, so that edit had to be reverted too. ] (]) 17:25, 14 December 2014 (UTC)
			::Oh nice, problem solved. Maybe I still did the right thing for pointing those edits out? I'm not sure what to do if I come across these kind of dubious edits and how and where to report them to be checked out by someone with more skill? ] (]) 06:43, 15 December 2014 (UTC)
			:::I think notifying an active editor or ] almost always works, but the general guideline is to ]. If you identify a problem, which can be anything from a good-faith error to pure vandalism, you can fix or ] the relevant edit(s) yourself. For more serious and/or complicated issues, there are several ]. ] (]) 22:13, 15 December 2014 (UTC)
			::::I will take a closer look at these pages and try to be bolder in the future. All said and done, I wish you merry Christmas (hopefully a white one) and a great new year. d:) ] (]) 07:39, 17 December 2014 (UTC)
			:::::Thanks, same to you. ] (]) 20:25, 17 December 2014 (UTC)
			== Trasel sockpuppets ==
			I see you filed this report: ] a while ago. I think I may have run into some new sockpuppets from the same user.
			*{{user|BellicoseSouthernBelle}}
			*{{user|SoBanal,SoBanal}}
			*{{user|ArdentBravesFan}}
			*{{user|ReformedBeliever}}
			*{{user|DunwoodyWoody}}
			*{{user|TheSwitzerdude}}
			*{{user|50.37.76.226}}
			*{{user|OldCowpoke}}
			What do you think? ] (]) 21:09, 27 January 2015 (UTC)
			:I'd say you've found a good collection of socks. I requested checkuser at ]. ] (]) 11:10, 28 January 2015 (UTC)
			::That's brilliant detective work. Thanks for following up and filing the new case. ] (]) 16:47, 28 January 2015 (UTC)
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	Oh man ] what a loss!! After all those years of rallying it wasn't even a car. Just shows you never know doesn't it. ]</span> <sup>]</sup> 18:50, 16 September 2007 (UTC)
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			==Hockey players==
	I can't beleive how Richard Burns and McCrae are no longer living. WHen I was growing up they were some of my heroes in rallying. Its shocking isn't it. I thought I'd say something to you as I know you share my appreciation of the sport ]</span> <sup>]</sup> 20:18, 16 September 2007 (UTC)
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	== Waves of the Future. Deletion: Significance ==
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	I did put a second "hang on" sign to get more time to answer your concern re: significance. Here it is, please reconsider the deletion. I would appreciate any advice you may give in the above respect.
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	I've created a WRC team template, ], which I am still currently modifying and integrating into the ] article. I'm not sure how to integrate it into Project WRC as a whole though. Thanks, ] 19:45, 17 September 2007 (UTC)
			== Blocking ==
	Thanks. Yeah that was my first real attempt at infobox editing, so I'm glad it turned out alright. I'm a little confused on the BP Ford team's history in fact. I get M-Sport and BP-Ford (like SWRT and Prodrive) but I can't seem to dig up information on the name of the team back when it was first transfered to M-Sport or when Colin McRae drove for them. (Valvoline-Ford? Ford World Rally Team?) Also I think most of the info in ] could be transfered to ]. ] 03:51, 18 September 2007 (UTC)
			Hello there. I am requesting you (being an administrator) to block the ] page from unregistered and new users. I am saying this because, looking at the revision history of the page, almost ''all'' edits by unregistered users were vandalism that were then reverted. This problem has been going on for a long time and I'm surprised that it still has not been blocked. If I recall, I'm pretty sure the page once was blocked to them indeed, but at the moment it's not (perhaps the block expired?). Look at the history yourself and you'll notice just how much it has been vandalised, so please consider blocking it from editing. Thanks. --] (]) 14:03, 29 November 2015 (UTC)
	Hey, thanks. About the SWRT image, I'd like to keep the one that is on there, because it is their corporate logo, and the SWRT is its own company (owned by Subaru obviously), but I think its important to think of it in those terms. I'm not dead set against it, but I think official logos are the most appropriate thing for an infobox. I'll put the other picture you suggested in the article's intro though.] (]) 19:38, 15 January 2008 (UTC)
			:Hey. It's a bit of a close call, but I'd say the level of vandalism doesn't quite justify semi-protection at this time. I have the page watchlisted, so we'll see how the situation develops. Previous protections can be viewed . Nice work with the article, by the way. ] (]) 10:56, 30 November 2015 (UTC)
	==Tempalte Nowraps==
	Good, I'm glad to have helped. You might need to keep a careful watch on the template. What has happened is that someone has placed some "nowrap" code in either the mediawiki or one of the .css files. This is meant to stop links from wrapping. However this wouldn't be enough in these circumstances as the nowrap here includes the punctuation as well. So some enterprising soul might "help" by removing what I have just added. By the way, bad times for motorsport what with the MacLaren / Ferrari legal spat and now the death of Colin McRae. Sigh! :: ] : ]/] 07:43, 19 September 2007 (UTC)
			== Removed Links ==
			Prolog, Removing the links I provided was ignorant of you. See the brief description of why I added these and pull your head out of your ass and notice the two links which I suggested be removed which are no longer valid and of which one is now a spam site completely unrelated to motorcycling. The links I added are replacements with appropriate content to replace those that no longer are valid
			=== Links that NEED Removed ===
	== Regarding Sigrid Lidstromer ==
	Hello, I'd like ask a little question. Hence I wrote an unsufficiant article on Sigrid Lidstromer, unfortunately lacking sources etc, I would just like to ask if I am permitter to write an new one with a thorough list of note and sources.
	Do you permit recreation and how can I do it and where? Please se my talk-page. A person there asked me to put a hangon-tag somewhere, but since I am a beginner I'd better ask first, rather than making misstakes...
	Thanks! ––]NGL 10:37, 21 September 2007 (UTC)
			I truly can't believe your ignorance. Notice the 2 links in the reference section of the enduro page.
	==Actor categories for deletion==
	I would really appreciate your view on Category:Western film actors and Category:Spaghetti Western actors up for deletion. I know you don't often comment in afds but PLease see ] . The only alterative would be to create lists but I'd imagine these wouldn't suffice an article either. There are many actors associated with this genre including many who only appeared in them. I'd love to hear your view on it thanks ]</span> <sup>]</sup> 13:07, 21 September 2007 (UTC)
			#2 is no longer valid
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			#3 is now a spam site
			The links I provided are equivelant replacements for these 2 links yet you remove these and leave the links mentioned above. That is the dumbest thing Ive ever seen!! <small><span class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding ] comment added by ] (] • ]) </span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned -->
	Um, I was wondering why you simply removed the Speedy Delete notice from ]. If you disagree with it, you should put a <nowiki>{{holdon}}</nowiki> on it, not just remove the notice. The reason I put it there was I couldn't see anything that indicated that he was notable by WP standards. There's nothing about his career beyond the one U.S. race and his accident so there was nothing else for me to judge from. I'm perfectly open to allowing it to remain if there's more to him than what is there now, particularly more non-trivial reference sources about his career. Otherwise I may consider taking it on to AfD. Cordially, ]]</font></sup> 17:17, 24 September 2007 (UTC)
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	In Polish equivalent of this box, based on en.wiki one, there is a place only for rally winner - and in my opinion that is the best solution. Three positions are somewhat too much, and it's good to have the winner easily visible, without needing to search through the article, even if the field is redundant in some way. I think we could even remove two other positions from box permanently.
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	Another quite unnecessary field, especially with modern rallies, is rally start/finish. Mostly base, start and finish are the same city, so we end up repeating the city name three times, extending the box.
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	==Special stage==
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	Hi. To give a bit of background to the page naming, originally Special Stage was a page about a part of the Sonic the Hedgehog video game. After ], it was agreed that other uses of the term held an equally valid claim within their own field (Video Games, Rally and Manga) but none had meaning outside of their field so the consensus was to turn Special Stage into a disambiguation page with links to the three different articles. I agree that Special stage is more 'correct' than Special Stage but feel that people searching for Sonic may well be typing in ''Special stage'' - this currently auto-redirects to ''Special Stage'' (the disambig. page).
			Thank you for , and the associated block. He seems to be rather busy today: {{ip|50.200.21.222}}. Regards, ] (]) 18:42, 22 April 2017 (UTC)
	Therefore my suggestion is for ''Special stage'' to remain as an auto-redirect to ''Special Stage'' (the disambig. page) and for ''Special Stage (rallying)'' to be moved to ''Special stage (rallying)''. Does that sound OK to you? ] (]) 15:30, 6 January 2008 (UTC)		:I blocked that one for a short period as well, although it seems like one of his/her dynamic IPs. Thanks, ] (]) 19:51, 23 April 2017 (UTC)
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	About the width - it's funny, cause here we worry about widescreen, and on Polish project when I was trying to widen an Infobox to 300px (what's more, en version is exactly 300px(!) - TV Series one), I got the argument "''What would a guy using 800x600 say?''". Gues some people in Poland like to be prehistoric-compatible, oh well. Getting to the point - I think it might be a good idea to shrink the table a bit, I'll try to do something with margins to optically widen it, cause it doesn't look so good now. Maybe some centering the whole table, I dunno (and I can't imagine/check how does it look in res. above 1280, b/c I lack the monitor supporting it. Bloody hell.). Wide was nice ;) -- ] :: </span></sup>]] 13:21, 26 January 2008 (UTC)
			Hi,
	'''PS:''' Interesting battle in Monte, and strange feeling without Bosse, don't you think?<br/>
	'''PS2:''' Darn, I forgot about the ''time'' column - I think we should leave it. Of course, when no data is available, we can always omit it then (or enter ''N/A'' or sth). IMO there is no reason to strip all the arts just because of that.
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	::Centering the table is optional, I just think that table centered looks better (that was the point of setting param width to 100%), so of course I added the margins on purpose. Since most results pages contain just the tables, I figured it would do good to at least make them look attractive. Aligning everything to the left would IMO make whole page look more cluttered. And when you look on a screen, you focus on the center of it first, right? (I do ;)).
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	::As for width: you might have the point, 1200 really is much. Yet I think that shrinking it too much isn't a good idea neither - so maybe some sort of compromise, like 900-950px? A little less than table @ 1280, yet with still plenty of "breathing space". And if the letters seem to be lost - we can increase the font size to about 90-92% (on pl.wiki it's set to 91% with default font a little larger). I'm sure we will find nice and smooth template suiting both purposes - usability and nice presentation).
			::As a longtime participant in this little fracas I'd be interested in comparing notes, if you're willing. Meanwhile ] may be of interest. Pinging @] as well for any insights. ] (]) 01:57, 12 August 2017 (UTC)
	::An idea - I was thinking about maybe adding another table - championship standings after described round. Yet I'm very unsure about it, since it doesn't provide so much information, just takes plethora of space. I need someones opinion about the idea to either dump it or start creating the table, so what do you think? --] :: </span></sup>]] 23:43, 27 January 2008 (UTC)
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			:::I sent you an email as well. ] (]) 10:19, 12 August 2017 (UTC)
	:::I am still tempted by of results page, but putting complete list of contestants... Lots of work, and the external pages like eWRC do that, so it's a lil' bit too much. But if you like the idea of standings, we might include them in current template (your idea is perfectly same as mine when I thought about it).
			:::: Maybe ]? --] (]) 00:32, 12 September 2017 (UTC)
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	:::Centering - I looked on some F1 pages and you're right. I'm not gonna fight for centering while it looks very well left-aligned and with max-width it stacks neatly having right side lined-up. Looks like fine compromise to me.
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	:::And how about some navigational templates, as seen on pl.wiki (I mean those collapsing ones with rallies across the years and maybe those with whole seasons)? I'm starting to find them pretty useful while browsing and creating new reports. Also they seem to provide more feedback than "WRC results" template while being slicker. Maybe we could throw small buttons to the infobox (along with getting rid of fields like driver2 and 3, rally start and finish (if they differ from base, could be mentioned in text/heading)) and replace this template? It wouldn't be much work and could provide some extra usability.
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	|name = 2008 Monte Carlo Rally
	|native_name = 76ème Rallye Automobile de Monte-Carlo
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	|previous_round = 2007 Monte Carlo Rally
	|next_round = 2008 Swedish Rally
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	|caption = View of ], rally base and SSS19 - ] host.
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	::::Yes, you got me right, it's just what I want to do. Also I played a bit with infobox rally and came up with sth like that (thee are some phony fields - next and prev events - to present everything):
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	::::It's transcluded from ]. It needs some indenting etc. to make it more readable, but it's pretty much done. I removed start and finish fields completely as well as driver2 and 3 fields, I also added fields with previous and next event, to add functionality of ]. Should work fine. There is some code redundancy right now that is a result of development (I thought of reducing the "<- Prev event" to just '''<<''' or '''«''' or maybe arrows only, which seemed nice since there was one record less, but they might be a little bit too small), I'll clean it in a minute.
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	::::I'm planning on adding commons and wikinews (just in case) fields (oh! And maybe quotes? Since some drivers tend to throw some brilliant lines we could cite them sometime on wikiquotes and link to the rally) to the bottom, since more and more rallies start to have their category there. Also I think we might change the colours of WPWR because I'm not 100% sure about this light blue. --] :: </span></sup>]] 13:01, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
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	:::::I'm changing the fields as you proposed, trying to make them as flexible as possible. Three fields for the winner are much, indeed. However I wouldn't shrink it so much, two would be fine, I think, since there is no other field exposing winners team in this manner. I would like this pattern:
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	::::::There is another, fully filled example along with complete documentaton in my sandbox. Well then, I'm replacing the template, since I've solved all problems. 'New' things are:
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	I think that better topic/name for the article in the long run is ''internet censorship in finland'', not just the lapsiporno.info. But this is also OK as long the site is on the news. --] (]) 07:06, 15 February 2008 (UTC)
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	I'd keep the chapter about the law within the scope since it provides the basis for the article. Also, it clarifies why the censoring of the site is not legal according to the current legislation. Your call.
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	OK. I added a few sentences to the text about the law. There's also a reference to the actual legislation (in finnish). Perhaps the pertinent parts should be translated and put up somewhere. ] (]) 20:40, 19 February 2008 (UTC)
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	I noticed you tweaked the text while I was trying to figure out how to add a page. I translated the pertinent parts of the law. Should that go up as a new article? It might be useful to non-finnish speaking readers. With proper warning that the translation is not official and a link to thye original text on Finlex. ] (]) 21:31, 19 February 2008 (UTC)
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	Gotcha. At least I learned a lot about wiki formatting. I'll leave the article as it stands. Should anyone ask I have a translation of the text of the act. ] (]) 21:54, 19 February 2008 (UTC)		:Good call. Thanks for the note, ] (]) 23:00, 6 February 2018 (UTC)
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	Hmmm. With reference to your comment on not incuding translated text, I'd like your judgement on ]. It seems a translation would have been in order to accommodate non-finnish speaking readers. ] (]) 22:41, 21 February 2008 (UTC)
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	There is nothing to misinterpret about Mr. Wales remarks. They are in VERY clear and direct English. If anyone is pushing anything here it is YOU and no more than a couple of other users. You talk about discussion but you do not allow discussion because you want to force your own point of view. What is your point of point? That obviously you love to misrepresent and distort the facts, the truth by calling things by their wrong name. You quickly react when I add GNU/Linux and instantly remove it but I see that you allow for months that articles like the one about Linux remain full of inaccuracies such as for example saying that the GNU userland is a component of the Linux kernel. You are NOT contributing positively to this online Encyclopedia by calling every program that is part of a GNU/distribution just by the wrong name "Linux". Is bash Linux? is the GNU C compiler that was used to make the Linux kernel also "Linux"? Is GNOME Linux? Your over simplification and distortion of the truth is what is detrimental to Misplaced Pages's efforts. Even Microsoft's Encarta recognizes GNU/Linux as the correct naming convention. And by the way as Jimmy Wales says there is NO such a consensus to wrongly call everything "Linux". So you must allow mention of GNU when referring to the entire system. Linux is not the entire system it is the kernel.
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			Your original objection was that I did not cite reliable sources. Now you are saying I did, but you don't see examples of Twitter censorship in all of them (it appears you just searched for the words
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			1) Just to be clear, hypothetically, if I was making an edit that stated that "Twitter engages in violent behavior" and then referenced numerous articles detailing how Twitter committed shootings, stabbings, and other assaults, but these cited sources didn't explicitly use the word "violence" or "violent" then that would NOT be good enough and the edits would be rejected because I was reaching a conclusion not clearly stated in the source. Please confirm.
			2) If I detailed the specific forms of censorship in the wikipedia text to be more clear, for example "Twitter engages in mass censorship by deleting user accounts and content on a daily basis" and then referenced the source that notes that the ban 1 million accounts per day, would that be sufficient? Or should I embed the definition of "censor" in the sentence in order to show that connection more clearly? ] (]) 20:04, 31 October 2018 (UTC)
			:1) Stick to what the source actually says. Not only is it more verifiable but more precise and unambiguous as well. 2) This is text-book ]; you are taking elements from different sources, adding your own view of the events ("mass censorship" and your choice of target article) and then combining it all into something that is actually not said by any of the sources. None of that is appropriate. In fact, this is a good example of content that is simultaneously in violation of all three core content policies. ] (]) 20:18, 31 October 2018 (UTC)
			Strictly sticking to the sources, how's this for a revamped edit:
			Twitter has gone from bastion of free speech to global censor. <ref>{{Cite web|url=https://www.businessinsider.com/twitter-has-gone-from-bastion-of-free-speech-to-global-censor-2017-6|title=Twitter has gone from bastion of free speech to global censor|last=Tena|first=Alfons López|website=BusinessInsider|language=en-US|access-date=2017-06-27}}</ref> As of July 2018, Twitter was deleting more than one million accounts per day, in what some called a "purge". <ref>{{Cite web|url=https://gizmodo.com/twitter-is-suspending-more-than-one-million-accounts-pe-1827409235|title=Twitter is Suspending More Than One Million Accounts Per Day in Latest Purge|last=Dellinger|first=AJ|website=Gizmodo|language=en-US|access-date=2018-07-06}}</ref>
			In 2017, Twitter expanded what constitutes hateful and harmful behavior on its platform, and began enforcing stricter rules concerning it. "Hateful imagery" was hidden, with violators banned or permanently suspended. Twitter has defined hateful imagery as "logos, symbols, or images whose purpose is to promote hostility and malice against others based on their race, religion, disability, sexual orientation, or ethnicity/national origin". <ref>{{Cite web|url=https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-42376546|title=Twitter's hate speech rules are expanded|last=Lee|first=Dave|website=BBC News|language=en-US|access-date=2017-12-18}}</ref>
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	Well. Being a Muslim, myself, I know the opinion being expressed on the topic 'Depictions of Muhammad'. There in the topic, in support of putting pictures it is told that Shiites Muslims support the making of pictures. Am I permitted to draw your attention to the point of view which the Shiite Muslims majority country, I mean Iran, adopted in response to Denmarks Newspapers publications on this topic? Had it been permitted near to them, they won't have reacted that way because, there the affairs of the state are runned very strictly.
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	So, if the story is there is untrue, why put a false in the name of freedom? Is freedom to say means to say false? Indeed not. If you have a right, you must use it in some constructive manner. What would be one's opinion if some one would start beating some one with hands or start urinating in the mid of party? They too do it with their own bodiy parts. Then why don't support it?
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Re: Philippine TV vandal

Hi! Just want to inform you that the vandal found a way to bypass the rangeblock. He is currently using the IP address 180.194.55.154. -WayKurat (talk) 06:50, 4 December 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for the note. I did a larger, but shorter, rangeblock (4 days on 180.194.48.0/21). Prolog (talk) 09:01, 4 December 2010 (UTC)

Hi! The vandal returned again, this time, he is using the IP address 180.194.0.3. -WayKurat (talk) 02:06, 15 December 2010 (UTC)

180.194.0.0/23 blocked for two more weeks. Prolog (talk) 12:20, 15 December 2010 (UTC)

Uhm, sorry to bother you again, but he bypassed the rangeblock again. Currently he is using 180.194.55.118. -WayKurat (talk) 15:52, 15 December 2010 (UTC)

Re-blocked 180.194.48.0/21, also for two weeks. Prolog (talk) 16:37, 15 December 2010 (UTC)

Anon returned again using a different subnet. Currently he is using 180.194.200.254 and 180.194.203.95. -WayKurat (talk) 12:57, 24 December 2010 (UTC)

180.194.200.0/22 blocked for four days. Prolog (talk) 13:17, 24 December 2010 (UTC)

Anon returned again after rangeblock expired. He's currently using 180.194.50.157. Please also note that during the rangeblock was in effect, he is also doing the same things over at simple.wiki. -WayKurat (talk) 03:02, 7 January 2011 (UTC)

180.194.48.0/21 blocked for two more weeks. Unfortunately, I can't do anything to stop him/her from continuing on other wikis. Prolog (talk) 13:14, 7 January 2011 (UTC)

Anon bypassed the rangeblock again, the latest IP addresses he/she is currently using are 180.194.200.105 and 180.194.200.176. Update: he/she is currently using 180.194.203.119. -WayKurat (talk) 13:55, 16 January 2011 (UTC)

Update again, user is currently using 180.194.144.251. There is no stopping this guy. -WayKurat (talk) 16:59, 16 January 2011 (UTC)

Diannaa took care of these ranges. Let's see if it helps. Prolog (talk) 21:25, 16 January 2011 (UTC)

(Reset indent) Anon returned again after all rangeblocks expired. Here is the summary of all of the IP addresses he/she uses for the past 48 hours: 180.194.145.17, 180.194.145.92, 180.194.197.59 (already blocked), 180.194.201.245. It seems that he/she changes IP addresses very often compared from the time that there is no rangeblock applied to the vandal. -WayKurat (talk) 02:09, 26 January 2011 (UTC)

Blocked 180.194.240.0/22 for four days and 180.194.145.0/24 for a week. He/she is on quite active ranges at the moment. I'll keep an eye on this. Prolog (talk) 12:07, 26 January 2011 (UTC)

Current anon's IP address is 222.127.223.78. Was blocked by another admin 3 days ago but continued to vandalize articles after block expired. -WayKurat (talk) 01:18, 7 February 2011 (UTC)

Re: Life imprisonment

Yes, my bad, I guess I accidentally edited the reverted version by mistake! Corrected now, thanks for pointing it out! ninety:one (reply on my talk) 18:01, 5 January 2011 (UTC)

About Sony Xperia X10

Mega = 2^20 ≠ Million = 10^10 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Melchior Felix (talk • contribs) 12:35, 21 January 2011 (UTC)

A megapixel is widely considered to be one million pixels by reliable sources, even if 1,048,576 would be technically more accurate. We should follow standard usage and be consistent, so 0.41 is correct here. Prolog (talk) 14:13, 21 January 2011 (UTC)

Visit from an old friend?

What do you make of this? Short Brigade Harvester Boris (talk) 18:56, 17 February 2011 (UTC)

The old friend theory is backed by plenty of behavioral evidence, so let's see the technical stuff. Prolog (talk) 20:50, 17 February 2011 (UTC)

Thanks. In case I haven't expressed my thanks before, I admire your willingness to put your neck on the line despite knowing how Arbcom feels about this. It is very much appreciated. Short Brigade Harvester Boris (talk) 02:32, 18 February 2011 (UTC)

checkuser confirmed claim

Hi ,you added checkuser confirmed template to this user page User:ChildofMidnight in this edit here, could you please direct me to the statement that verifies that, thanks. Off2riorob (talk) 16:01, 11 March 2011 (UTC)

This sock block by a CU fits the time line. Prolog (talk) 16:36, 11 March 2011 (UTC)

Thanks, there is no confirmation on the archived page here - I will ask him , thanks. Off2riorob (talk) 16:51, 11 March 2011 (UTC)

CUs do not create SPI cases to document their findings and blocks. Prolog (talk) 17:04, 11 March 2011 (UTC)

Welcome

Hi, thanks for your welcome, i'm a usual spanish wikipedia editor. I hope contribute with my spanish experience and view. Bye. --Jorjum (talk) 09:26, 18 March 2011 (UTC)

inre Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Cloud atlas (film)

Could you create the redirect for Cloud atlas (film) to Cloud Atlas (novel)#Film adaptation, or shall I? Schmidt, 06:12, 27 March 2011 (UTC)

I created the redirect when I closed the AFD, using the correct capitalization: Cloud Atlas (film). Prolog (talk) 14:31, 27 March 2011 (UTC)

Oops. I should have realized the spelling issue before writing. Thanks. Schmidt, 10:35, 28 March 2011 (UTC)

Philippine TV Vandal

According to User talk:WayKurat, I got the ranges: 180.194.0.0/16 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · filter log · WHOIS · RDNS · RBLs · block user · block log), 222.127.0.0/16 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · filter log · WHOIS · RDNS · RBLs · block user · block log), 124.6.0.0/16 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · filter log · WHOIS · RDNS · RBLs · block user · block log), 112.198.0.0/16 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · filter log · WHOIS · RDNS · RBLs · block user · block log), and 120.28.0.0/16 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · filter log · WHOIS · RDNS · RBLs · block user · block log) . Involved in Philippine TV Vandalism. Warning evasion. Usage of Multiple IP's. Can you block them in 2 1/2 weeks to 1 month? No more IP to IP hopping as prescribed by order. Thank you. --Kungfu2187 (talk) 13:25, 30 April 2011 (UTC) This rangeblocking may affect Non-Philippine TV Vandals. If they cannot create their account, they should visit create an account on Meta-Wiki.

I can't block the /16 ranges. There would be way too much collateral damage. I've blocked 180.194.28.0/22, which seems to have been the vandal's main range recently, for four days. Even that range is pretty active, unfortunately. I would need some IPs to calculate further rangeblocks. Prolog (talk) 19:57, 30 April 2011 (UTC)

180.194.0.0/22 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · filter log · WHOIS · RDNS · RBLs · block user · block log)

222.127.0.0/22 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · filter log · WHOIS · RDNS · RBLs · block user · block log)

124.6.0.0/22 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · filter log · WHOIS · RDNS · RBLs · block user · block log)

112.198.0.0/22 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · filter log · WHOIS · RDNS · RBLs · block user · block log)

120.28.0.0/22 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · filter log · WHOIS · RDNS · RBLs · block user · block log)

Here you go. Please set in 2 1/2 weeks to 1 month. --Kungfu2187 (talk) 02:05, 1 May 2011 (UTC)

Those ranges don't seem correct. For example, 112.198.0.0/22 has no edits at all and 124.6.0.0/22 no edits since June 2010. You can try the rangeblock calculator, or list individual IP addresses here and I'll calculate the ranges. Prolog (talk) 19:15, 1 May 2011 (UTC)

Rollback

Actually, yes it would be really handy! I've thought about asking for it before but never got round to it. How would I go about it? Bretonbanquet (talk) 23:28, 14 May 2011 (UTC)

You should have the feature now. Remember to use it only for clearly non-constructive edits. Prolog (talk) 23:30, 14 May 2011 (UTC)

Yes, thanks very much! As I understand it, it's only for use against deliberate vandalism, rather than people just making mistakes, so that's how I'll be using it. Thanks again, Bretonbanquet (talk) 23:32, 14 May 2011 (UTC)

User:Upan atom

Hey, i´m on your side there any way we can discuss it with more users? Or just over one of the Talk pages (2011 Site)? Kante4 (talk) 20:50, 16 May 2011 (UTC)

The 2011 talk page is probably a good idea since the article is about to go to the main page. I've given the user a direct link to creating a discussion if he/she still wishes to introduce these changes. Prolog (talk) 21:14, 16 May 2011 (UTC)

Year, just read your comment, good one. ;) Kante4 (talk) 21:18, 16 May 2011 (UTC)

Player Merger at HC Litvínov

What do you think should be done about the stub-spam? You mentioned WP:AN. I know that something needs to be done, but I don't know what. I would go to WP:AN, but I'm not sure what to say. Can you offer any advice? — Fly by Night (talk) 18:21, 18 June 2011 (UTC)

I was thinking that WP:BLPN would be a good place to start, but now I noticed that the user was already warned about the BLP implications about a month ago, some articles were deleted and he/she lost the autopatrolled rights. WP:ANI is probably more appropriate now. A short summary of the behaviour and why it needs to be stopped should be enough. I'll create a thread later if someone doesn't beat me to it. Prolog (talk) 20:58, 18 June 2011 (UTC)

Discussion created at WP:ANI#User:Dolovis and mass creation of BLPs. Prolog (talk) 14:22, 19 June 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for that. Sorry I didn't reply sooner. I must have missed the edit on my watch list. — Fly by Night (talk) 14:43, 19 June 2011 (UTC)

Sports BLPs

Hey there, I came across your name at WP/ANI regarding a user creating a bunch of stub BLPs. I know nothing about sports, but I have found another user to seems to be doing something similar. If you have a second, would you mind checking out the pages this user is creating and assessing whether they meet WP notability standards? So far they are all unsourced so I have prod'd them but even if he finds sources I'd like to know that these people are actually notable as far as sports standards go. The user in question is User:Itsupforgrabsnow. Thanks! Nformation 22:45, 19 June 2011 (UTC)

I couldn't find any reliable source on Tomas Forde or Damian Forde or anything at all when googling "damian forde" +ballinaglera. The user has a history of creating inappropriate pages, so I'll delete these and give him/her a final warning. Prolog (talk) 13:33, 20 June 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for taking care of that. I'll add the user to my watch list and let you know if he creates a new slew. Nformation 21:09, 20 June 2011 (UTC)

Re:Rollback

Yeah, sure. Why not. That would be a handy addition to all the other tools. :) Cs-wolves(talk) 13:30, 23 June 2011 (UTC)

Done. Remember to use it only for clearly non-constructive edits. I'll also see if I can re-block the ranges used by the Grand Prix report vandal. Prolog (talk) 13:38, 23 June 2011 (UTC)

Absolutely. It'll be used for just vandalism, as set out. Is that the ones from the 190... IP range? That vandalism is getting rather persistent. Cs-wolves(talk) 14:16, 23 June 2011 (UTC)

That's the one. The rangeblocks had expired about two weeks ago. The three main ranges are now blocked for a month. Prolog (talk) 14:25, 23 June 2011 (UTC)

Ah I see...hopefully this block deters the users from doing it again...not getting my hopes up though. Cs-wolves(talk) 14:35, 23 June 2011 (UTC)

Is the time ripe?

• There's a lot of activity at present, and I'm wondering if the time is now ripe... We may have to launch the diacritics RfC shortly, so any help in getting the above page ready would be appreciated. Feedback on timing is also appreciated. --Ohconfucius 16:20, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

User:Superastig

Hello Prolog. There is this user named Superastig who keeps vandalizing the correct information in the MGM Holdings page. He keeps vandalizing the article countless times and I had to undo his actions. I even separated The Samuel Goldwyn Company page from the Samuel Goldwyn Films page and he kept redirecting the former page to the latter page because they're separate industries. He also made a useless template for the MGM Networks and I added the names of the networks to the MGM Holdings template and added a tag for speedy deletion to the MGM Networks template he created. Can you please look into the history of the pages and keep him from making any unnecessary changes? King Shadeed 1:32, July 12, 2011 (UTC)

Hey. It seems that you two have run into a number of content disputes. I don't see anyone engaging in vandalism here. I'm not very familiar with these subjects, so I can't say if you are factually correct about the articles, but I agree that Superastig shouldn't continue to merge The Samuel Goldwyn Company without discussion. He/she should now follow the proper merge process, although you too can tag the article with {{mergeto}} and create a discussion at Talk:The Samuel Goldwyn Company, stating your reasons for objection. This way you could get opinions from other users and maybe even come to a consensus. You can also start a discussion at WT:FILM, which is watched by many editors. If these don't help, you can try some alternatives at WP:DR. Your deletion nomination of the MGM Networks template is currently incomplete as it is not yet listed at WP:TFD (add {{subst:Tfd2|MGM Networks|text=Your rationale. ~~~~}} to this log). Prolog (talk) 08:03, 12 July 2011 (UTC)

Merge discussion for Access time

An article that you have been involved in editing, Access time , has been proposed for a merge with another article. If you are interested in the merge discussion, please participate by going here, and adding your comments on the discussion page. Thank you. § Music Sorter § (talk) 06:19, 12 July 2011 (UTC)

Just a ping :-)

Hello, Prolog …

I noticed that your last few reverts of List of Mensans (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) have been back to a version by me (also reverting NNs) … I found this earlier thread on this Talk page … anywho, just a note that I'm still here, even though my IP has changed several times since then.

Happy Editing! — 72.75.57.223 (talk · contribs) _{17:48, 12 July 2011 (UTC)}

Hey. The flow of non-notable additions and bizarre removals will never end, but I've noticed that you are still doing a great job in keeping the list clean. Prolog (talk) 18:53, 12 July 2011 (UTC)

Vandalism

Hello Prolog...

This user "Ihatechickens214" has been editing many articles from Misplaced Pages. Now he just wrote things on the article of rational numbers. I alredy corrected, but I believe something must be done to this user.--JuanGabrielRobalino (talk) 18:04, 16 July 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for the note. I have blocked the user as a vandalism-only account. If you see another vandal like this, easiest way to stop him/her is to report at WP:AIV. Prolog (talk) 18:10, 16 July 2011 (UTC)

Block of Eugen Smion 14

I believe your block of Eugen Simion 14, while made in good faith, to be excessive. It is clearly a punitive action rather than preventative (as called for in blocking policy), and 1 week is way too long a block length for someone with no vandalism history and no prior warnings. I would ask you either unblock, or at least bring it to ANI for review. StrPby (talk) 10:10, 24 July 2011 (UTC)

A user who is willing to engage in page-move vandalism on our current top article might do pretty much anything, so I do believe the block was preventative. It doesn't have to last a week if he requests an unblock and promises not to continue the behaviour. Prolog (talk) 10:27, 24 July 2011 (UTC)

Note

For your information, they're not sockpuppets or block evading. Instead you are experiencing a coordinated attack from a certain website. --Bsadowski1 21:17, 30 July 2011 (UTC)

Quite like I was going to say. — Waterfox 21:18, 30 July 2011 (UTC)

Thanks. It indeed felt a bit too much activity from one user. Prolog (talk) 21:25, 30 July 2011 (UTC)

Reverting with no basis

I just wanted to make sure I have it on record that I think it is wrong for you to revert multiple articles (most brand new articles) when there were no comments about the moves. These would include Miloslav Mecir, Jr., Victoria Larriere, Iryna Bremond and Arnau Brugues-Davi. These were not long standing articles and to say that they are inaccurate is not true or open to interpretation. I find that comment unworthy of an unbiased administrator in this English wikipedia. Obviously I wouldn't revert them back but to insinuate it's policy by saying "inaccurate" is really strange. I checked all moves with proper English sources before making them but that does not seem to be taken into consideration. Two others pages are being properly discussed because of objections but no one seemed to care about the others. Fyunck(click) (talk) 23:04, 7 August 2011 (UTC)

Your opinion is noted. In my opinion, articles should not be moved to titles that do not jive with our current practice. "Inaccurate" is indeed a strong adjective, although it can be justified by several sources. "Less accurate", or "non-standard", would've been a better description. I'll note that the two editors who objected to your moves earlier did not have the technical capability to revert. Prolog (talk) 12:42, 8 August 2011 (UTC)

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Rallye Automobile Monte Carlo

Plese stop revert my moves.This page must be called "Rallye Automobile Monte Carlo" because it is official name. Alex (talk) 12:23, 2 October 2011 (UTC)

As I already said on your talk page, Misplaced Pages does not necessarily prefer the official name over the common name. "Monte Carlo Rally" is the well-established name for the event, here and elsewhere. If you want to change the status quo, you should take the matter to WP:RM and not move war against other editors. Prolog (talk) 12:29, 2 October 2011 (UTC)

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Billionaire

Thanks for reverting that vandalism on the billionaire page. If it's not too much trouble, could you look into getting it protected, even if just temporarily? It's been getting an awful lot of IP vandalism lately. Thanks. Michaelmas1957 (talk) 22:49, 27 October 2011 (UTC)

I don't think there's been enough recent vandalism to justify semi-protection at this time, but I'll add it to my watchlist and keep an eye on the situation. Cheers, Prolog (talk) 23:02, 27 October 2011 (UTC)

Good to know, thanks. Michaelmas1957 (talk) 23:09, 27 October 2011 (UTC)

Recycling

Prolog, I was contemplating blocking you, or at least warning you, for what seems to be a slow-rate edit war on recycling, then noticed you're also an admin. I am curious why you continue to revert what appears to be valid sourced content being added to the "criticisms" section of that article, without any discussion on the talk page, or explanation in your edit summary? There's evidently some history concerning the IPs adding that material of which I'm unaware. ~Amatulić (talk) 16:38, 18 November 2011 (UTC)

How about checking the contributions or block logs of the IPs I'm reverting? I've been dealing with socks of the banned user Grundle2600, and I intend to continue this "edit war". The content is not "valid" either. Only one of the paragraphs is backed by a reliable source. The rest of the sources are blog posts and opinion pieces published on partisan websites. Prolog (talk) 17:18, 18 November 2011 (UTC)

Thanks, that makes sense. I did notice that the IP was blocked for evasion, but it wasn't clear who the sock was, possibly because I didn't look back far enough in the article history. Just looking at the article's history by itself, showing sourced content being added and reverted without discussion, set of an alarm bell in my head, which is why I decided to ask you about it. I'll be watching out for future similar incidents from this sock too. ~Amatulić (talk) 17:47, 18 November 2011 (UTC)

A cookie for you!

Hello Prolog, I hope you this cookie as an amicable greeting from a fellow Wikipedian, SwisterTwister talk 23:01, 19 November 2011 (UTC)

Tasty. Thanks, Prolog (talk) 18:22, 20 November 2011 (UTC)

Michèle Mouton

I have reviewed the GA nomination of this article, and have placed it on hold pending the resolution of some minor prose issues. You can find my review at Talk:Michèle Mouton/GA1, regards. Resolute 01:21, 16 December 2011 (UTC)

User_talk:Gtabigfan2010

This user is appealing their block, but it is more or less impossible to review it. You blocked them for socking, but there is nothing I can find that indicates how you came to this conclusion and what other accounts you believe they were operating abusively. Given that their last contrib before the unblock request was six months before they were blocked it's hard to see how the block was warranted. I'm hoping you can shed some light on the subject so that the request can be properly reviewed. Thanks. Beeblebrox (talk) 23:20, 29 December 2011 (UTC)

The user created the account Nestor1010 (talk · contribs) and continued posting the same hoax. Prolog (talk) 23:35, 29 December 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for clarifying,. Beeblebrox (talk) 01:57, 30 December 2011 (UTC)

Rally Finland

Nice expansion to the article! :) Yaamboo (talk) 08:47, 14 January 2012 (UTC)

Thanks! Prolog (talk) 19:29, 14 January 2012 (UTC)

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Talk:Presidency of Barack Obama

What is your rationale behind removing the comment on Talk:Presidency of Barack Obama ()? I don't see anything that violates talk page guidelines, the editor that made it had a legitimate question about article content. Falcon8765 02:14, 29 January 2012 (UTC)

I see now that he was blocked for sockpuppetry. A default edit summary and no block tag on the editor's talk page are a bit confusing. Falcon8765 02:16, 29 January 2012 (UTC)

As can be seen from the contributions pages, I tagged the user page the same minute I reverted the edit and blocked the sock. Prolog (talk) 19:36, 29 January 2012 (UTC)

Sorry about that, I figured that's who it was a sockpuppet of, just didn't see the tag right away. Falcon8765 20:08, 29 January 2012 (UTC)

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MSU Interview

Dear Prolog,

My name is Jonathan Obar user:Jaobar, I'm a professor in the College of Communication Arts and Sciences at Michigan State University and a Teaching Fellow with the Wikimedia Foundation's Education Program. This semester I've been running a little experiment at MSU, a class where we teach students about becoming Misplaced Pages administrators. Not a lot is known about your community, and our students (who are fascinated by wiki-culture by the way!) want to learn how you do what you do, and why you do it. A while back I proposed this idea (the class) to the community HERE, where it was met mainly with positive feedback. Anyhow, I'd like my students to speak with a few administrators to get a sense of admin experiences, training, motivations, likes, dislikes, etc. We were wondering if you'd be interested in speaking with one of our students.

So a few things about the interviews:

• Interviews will last between 15 and 30 minutes.
• Interviews can be conducted over skype (preferred), IRC or email. (You choose the form of communication based upon your comfort level, time, etc.)
• All interviews will be completely anonymous, meaning that you (real name and/or pseudonym) will never be identified in any of our materials, unless you give the interviewer permission to do so.
• All interviews will be completely voluntary. You are under no obligation to say yes to an interview, and can say no and stop or leave the interview at any time.
• The entire interview process is being overseen by MSU's institutional review board (ethics review). This means that all questions have been approved by the university and all students have been trained how to conduct interviews ethically and properly.

Bottom line is that we really need your help, and would really appreciate the opportunity to speak with you. If interested, please send me an email at obar@msu.edu (to maintain anonymity) and I will add your name to my offline contact list. If you feel comfortable doing so, you can post your name HERE instead.

If you have questions or concerns at any time, feel free to email me at obar@msu.edu. I will be more than happy to speak with you.

Thanks in advance for your help. We have a lot to learn from you.

Sincerely,

Jonathan Obar --Jaobar (talk) 07:26, 12 February 2012 (UTC)

Young June Sah --Yjune.sah (talk) 03:16, 15 February 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Alpine Rally

On 11 March 2012, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Alpine Rally, which you created or substantially expanded. The fact was ... that former Olympic alpine skier Ian Appleyard was the first of three drivers to win the coveted Coupe d'Or at the Alpine Rally? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Alpine Rally.You are welcome to check how many hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, quick check) and add it to DYKSTATS if it got over 5,000. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

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DYK for Ian Appleyard

On 11 March 2012, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Ian Appleyard, which you created or substantially expanded. The fact was ... that former Olympic alpine skier Ian Appleyard was the first of three drivers to win the coveted Coupe d'Or at the Alpine Rally? You are welcome to check how many hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, quick check) and add it to DYKSTATS if it got over 5,000. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

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Identification needed

Hi, long time no see! How are you these days?. Can you help me and identify the handsome looking lady at 2:36 and the guy with glasses next to her? I understand they are of some esteem but don't know who they are and want to find their wiki articles. I know its shot at the house of the composer Ilkka Kuusisto in Lauttasaari, Helsinki.♦ Dr. Blofeld 22:15, 20 March 2012 (UTC)

Hey. I'm fine, thanks. It's nice to hear from you. The woman did look familiar, but unfortunately I can't come up with a possible name for either one. Prolog (talk) 00:43, 21 March 2012 (UTC)

Cory Murphy

Not at all. Go for it. :-) Nightscream (talk) 16:35, 3 April 2012 (UTC)

Done. Thanks, Prolog (talk) 16:43, 3 April 2012 (UTC)

WT:BLP

You seem to have plenty of required common sense and familiarity with relevant MOS, would you be willing to help sandbox-draft a WP:BLPNAME type proposal to RfC? And try and end the constant disruption? In ictu oculi (talk) 07:38, 13 April 2012 (UTC)

(i) BLPs should give accurately the spelling of names in Latin alphabets in full according to the spelling in the current nationality of the person (when current nationality is evident) as per examples in First Mention. (ii) Where BLP titles include parts of the name spelling in the title, the title should also reflect the spelling per current nationality

For example In ictu oculi (talk) 09:12, 13 April 2012 (UTC)

I think it might be a good idea to drop some of the detail, especially if trying to fit a clarification into BLPNAME/BLPSTYLE. I would go with something like "When spelling a living person's name, editors should maintain encyclopedic standards and take into account the subject's preference (if known). The spelling of non-anglicized foreign names often requires the use of diacritical marks." Prolog (talk) 08:51, 14 April 2012 (UTC)

Thanks, yes that sounds much better. Do you have any other suggestions on who would be good to proofread such a proposal? In ictu oculi (talk) 04:05, 15 April 2012 (UTC)

Prolog, I invited 2 other editors who have shown familiarity with existing WP guidelines in this area to look at the improved version above. We can shift to my Talk page or WT:BLP if that is better. In ictu oculi (talk) 00:35, 17 April 2012 (UTC)

Unless there are more ideas to consider, I think this discussion should continue at WT:BLP. If the proposal generates interest but also raises concerns, it can then be improved. Prolog (talk) 12:24, 17 April 2012 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Biographies of living persons

Invitation to diacritics guideline discussion at WT:BLP

Hi, you were one of 100+ Users who has commented on a living person Requested Move featuring diacritics (e.g. the é in Beyoncé) in the last 30 days. Following closure of Talk:Stephane Huet RM, a tightening of BLP guidelines is proposed. Your contribution is invited to WT:BLP to discuss drafting a proposal for tightening BLP accuracy guidelines for names. In ictu oculi (talk) 00:04, 20 April 2012 (UTC)

Feel free to duplicate this invite on the pages of others who have commented, for or against. In ictu oculi (talk) 00:07, 20 April 2012 (UTC)

• I should have invited OhConfucius but couldn't get his Talkpage to load to paste this. In ictu oculi (talk) 00:14, 25 April 2012 (UTC)

• I've left a note there. Prolog (talk) 15:38, 25 April 2012 (UTC)

Thanks. But the WT:BLP proposal is dead. Mind if I ask, is PBS a new face on this issue: Wikipedia_talk:Article_titles#Permission_to_make_a_shortcut or is there a history I should be aware of? In ictu oculi (talk) 01:13, 29 April 2012 (UTC)

There was an RFC, but I haven't personally interacted with him much. However, I would say that he is probably one of the oldest faces in this debate. The first major discussion that I know of was this poll in 2005. Prolog (talk) 21:21, 29 April 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for the background. Illuminating. It does show however that 7 years is a long time. The flavour of that discussion tells me that en.wp is less us/au/ca/uk.wp today than it appears to have been back then, and more us/au/ca/uk.wp editors today are not threatened by "foreign names". In ictu oculi (talk) 23:55, 29 April 2012 (UTC)

More Grundle whackamole

User:200cvy. Thanks. Rd232 22:16, 5 May 2012 (UTC)

Blocked. Let's see if CUs can find more. Prolog (talk) 22:39, 5 May 2012 (UTC)

Now we have Barbara at the desk (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · nuke contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) as well.--Jasper Deng (talk) 22:56, 5 May 2012 (UTC)

Blocked. Prolog (talk) 23:25, 5 May 2012 (UTC)

Scibaby sock?

- see what you think. Prioryman (talk) 07:23, 8 May 2012 (UTC)

Without a doubt. I've blocked the account. Prolog (talk) 17:59, 8 May 2012 (UTC)

Hi. Would it be possible to check if user JournalScholar http://en.wikipedia.org/Special:Contributions/JournalScholar is a clone of the banned user Scibaby? The behaviour and certain features of this user have lead me to suspect this possibility. Thanks. Belsavis (talk) 07:54, 11 August 2012 (UT

Hey. This one is definitely not Scibaby. Prolog (talk) 20:49, 11 August 2012 (UTC)

Removal of accuracy line from WP:AT

Hi you might wish to note this, restored after deleted 7 days. In ictu oculi (talk) 00:13, 24 May 2012 (UTC)

User:VhDqDlwV2L

I smell a sock... ThemFromSpace 00:15, 24 May 2012 (UTC)

Definitely, blocked. Prolog (talk) 16:06, 24 May 2012 (UTC)

Another handful of Grundle2600 socks

Hi Prolog, since you've helped with swatting this mosquito previously, I wanted to draw your attention to a few new socks he's created to edit-war on Solyndra loan controversy and/or Indiana State Police Pension Trust v. Chrysler (an article that the original Grundle2600 created and is a perennial obsession.) It's the same edits with the same edit summaries. As if WP:DUCK weren't enough, likes to admit he's a sock now.

The new socks are:

• Magenta 447 (talk · contribs)
• Sixty-seven million (talk · contribs)
• Sunshine and chocolate (talk · contribs)
• Epowerfan (talk · contribs)
• 50.0.12.121 (talk · contribs)

Thanks! --Loonymonkey (talk) 19:32, 27 May 2012 (UTC)

I've blocked the first three accounts as obvious socks and semi-protected these two articles. The rest is up to the CUs. Prolog (talk) 22:11, 27 May 2012 (UTC)

I've mentioned a semi-protect that you applied to an article in (this) SPI report. While I'm not convinced there is a connection (other than sharing the same POV and combative nature) with Grundle2600/Magenta, I'm convinced most of the new throw-away accounts and IPs editing the account you semi-protected are used by just one editor. At least the semi-protect has quieted the article and steered the editor to the talk page temporarily. Thanks for that, Xenophrenic (talk) 23:16, 8 July 2012 (UTC)

Chicago MOS

Huomenta, a question. Do you have any idea if Chicago MOS make an exception for using Vietnamese diacritics in the case of cultural patrimony, for example in particular ethnomusicology, as e.g. per the Garland Encyclopedia of World Music? In ictu oculi (talk) 10:47, 25 June 2012 (UTC)

I don't think CMoS (latest edition) contains any detailed advice on Vietnamese diacritics. It has sections for about two dozen other languages. Prolog (talk) 22:33, 25 June 2012 (UTC)

Thanks. Not that it would carry any weight in RM, just curious. In ictu oculi (talk) 23:16, 25 June 2012 (UTC)

Diacritics in Vietnam-related article titles

I'm curious as to how you would apply your position on diacritics in titles in this context. Please discuss it there if you care. —  AjaxSmack  16:08, 22 July 2012 (UTC)

6 Oct 2011

Hi, I meant to note this before, thought I had, evidently didn't. 6 Oct 2011. You saw the moves counter RM, you noted the delete of Talk-page-links to failed RM before requesting uncontroversial moves. I yesterday noticed the same and asked the two speedy move admins to restore. Do you mind if I ask, was there a reason you didn't at the time? In ictu oculi (talk) 18:41, 23 July 2012 (UTC)

Hey. It's sad to see this user has continued gaming the system. I should've reverted those and brought the matter to AN/I back then. I guess it seemed pointless at the time as he was moving articles left and right anyway. Prolog (talk) 10:15, 24 July 2012 (UTC)

It may still be pointless. FYI admin Cuchullain has evidently spotted your warning to Kauffner too (I didn't mention it) and linked to it in Misplaced Pages:Sockpuppet investigations/Kauffner. In ictu oculi (talk) 15:59, 24 July 2012 (UTC)

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Scibaby again?

Ruska25 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) - what do you think? I get an odour of sock from this one. Prioryman (talk) 06:28, 23 August 2012 (UTC)

Yep, blocked. Prolog (talk) 16:05, 23 August 2012 (UTC)

Steve Handersman (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)- Perhaps it's time for a checkuser/full SPI? This is definitely not a new user.... Sailsbystars (talk) 04:51, 27 August 2012 (UTC)

I agree it's clearly not a new user and the pattern of behaviour is typical of Scibaby. I've opened an SPI at Misplaced Pages:Sockpuppet investigations/Scibaby to see if any more socks can be found. Prioryman (talk) 06:29, 27 August 2012 (UTC)

Got another one, Punashay (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log). Persistent bugger, isn't he? Prioryman (talk) 08:04, 29 August 2012 (UTC)

Yes, and yes. Blocked again. Prolog (talk) 17:45, 30 August 2012 (UTC)

One more: Dr. R. Rosen (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log). Prioryman (talk) 07:03, 4 September 2012 (UTC)

Blocked. Prolog (talk) 04:55, 5 September 2012 (UTC)

Talk:Paavo_Nurmi/GA1

You've been adding info and that is what I want. I believe that there is plenty of info that can be added so once you and if there is any partner of yours working on the article are done, ping me so that I could give the further comments. Doing great work so far, keep it up :) TheSpecialUser  22:10, 23 August 2012 (UTC)

Thanks. There is indeed a lot to do, but I'll let you know as soon as I'm finished. Prolog (talk) 17:58, 24 August 2012 (UTC)

Hi

FYI Following recent RMs restoring undiscussed/tampered moves, I have made mention of your request to User:Kauffner to stop moving WP:VIET articles counter RM results on User_talk:Graeme_Bartlett#Vietnamese_cities_and_provinces. I don't have the diff/date to hand. In ictu oculi (talk) 02:32, 26 August 2012 (UTC)

SPI evidence

Hi Prolog, I've started a thread to get clarification on SPI evidence and cited your response there. I'll admit to being confused.
 — Berean Hunter (talk) 16:38, 27 August 2012 (UTC)

Hey. I'll keep an eye on the discussion. Thanks, Prolog (talk) 16:57, 27 August 2012 (UTC)

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Huma Abedin

You might consider some dialogue first, before sending this kind of a message.

Your message

"Please stop using the article on Huma Abedin as a platform for spreading widely discredited conspiracy theories.

"Your edits are in violation of WP:BLP and WP:UNDUE. If you continue to disregard these policies, you will find youself blocked from editing Misplaced Pages. Prolog"

Response

I note that that section of the article now includes a link to the official Congressional letter. This is an improvement.

However, I'm left wondering if you read my actual edit. Further, I'm curious as to how a reasonable person could interpret my edit as "spreading widely discredited conspiracy theories." My edit was worded as neutrally as possible and consisted solely of (1) the fact that five members of Congress sent a letter, (2) the fact of to whom it was sent, and (3) facts of the letter's contents (via an excerpt of the relevant portion of the letter) describing information sought.

If, perhaps, you're referring to the Center for Security Policy I cannot comment, since I'm not familiar with that organization. But, this leads to your second statement, and the major problems with the Muslim Brotherhood controversy section of the Abedin article.

Misplaced Pages policy

In accordance with WP:BLP / Writing Style / Tone:

"BLPs should be written responsibly, cautiously, and in a dispassionate tone, avoiding both understatement and overstatement. Articles should document in a non-partisan manner what reliable secondary sources have published about the subjects. . ."

WP:NPOV states:

"All Misplaced Pages articles and other encyclopedic content must be written from a neutral point of view. NPOV is a fundamental principle of Misplaced Pages and of other Wikimedia projects. This policy is nonnegotiable and all editors and articles must follow it."

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". . .use neutral statements backed up by reliable citation and let the reader make the conclusion."

Summary

The Muslim Brotherhood controversy section is written defensively, emotionally and one-sidedly in support of the subject person, while deliberately intending to cast the five members of Congress in a negative light. – (ref. WP:BLP / Writing Style / Tone)

Personal testimonials — such as those from John McCain, Lindsey Graham, Scott Brown, Ed Rollins and John Boehner — do not comport with encyclopedic style and/or content. – (ref. WP:NPOV)

As written, without providing background information, this section attempts to convince the reader that the testimonial givers are right, and that the five members of Congress and the Center for Security Policy are wrong. – (ref. WP:BALANCE, WP:DECISION)

An honest assessment is clearly needed of the neutrality of the Abedin article. Hackercraft (talk) 19:35, 10 September 2012 (UTC)— Preceding unsigned comment added by Hackercraft (talk • contribs) 16:11, 10 September 2012 (UTC)

Balance does not mean equal weight between the mainstream account and the fringe theories. The allegations comprise 20% of the body section of the article, with the whole controversy at about 50%. In other words, both the controversy and the fringe side of it are already given undue weight. You made the BLP problem worse by removing the entire mainstream view and adding more wacky partisan claims that the State Department has been "enormously favorable" to the Muslim Brotherhood. As for the letter, it is self-published and written by Abedin's political opponents; it does not qualify as a reliable source on the subject (WP:BLPSPS). McCain's comments, on the other hand, are noteworthy as they drew praise and appeared in thousands of newspapers around the world. Prolog (talk) 18:05, 10 September 2012 (UTC)

Second response

You raised a number of points. Unfortunately, you didn't address, nor do I sense that you considered, any of the points I raised (and supported). Nevertheless, I'll address the points you raised.

First — When you say "fringe theories" and "wacky partisan claims," it indicates that you may have already taken a position personally and are now judging the 'controversy' section of the Abedin article based upon your own personal viewpoint, rather than assuring that the article reflects a simple presentation of the facts—as required by Misplaced Pages's neutrality policy. (Ref. WP:NPOV)

As currently written, one sees McCain, Graham, Brown, Rollins and Boehner presented on one side of the issue, and Bachmann, Franks, Gohmert, Rooney, Westmoreland, and the Center for Security Policy on another side. This looks like a roughly 50-50 split, and not a "fringe theory."

In any case, theories (of any type) do not belong in this article, but rather only facts. Which is why, in my edit, the Center for Security Policy appeared only as part of the quoted letter, and also why I removed the testimonials.

Second — It's unclear how a reasonable person could dispute that Abedin is the subject of a Congressional investigation. It is simply a fact. And the Congressional letter documents that fact.

It is clear, however, that discussions of this issue can get very heated. Therefore, if one wishes to present the facts of the various sides of the Muslim Brotherhood influence issue, then that should be the subject of its own Misplaced Pages article. That type of discussion goes well beyond the scope of an Abedin biography article.

Third — You are misunderstanding the term 'self-published.' Self-published refers to material written and published about one's own self. (Ref. WP:BLPSPS) Bachmann, et al, are not writing about themselves.

Their letter is official communication from the legislative branch of the government to the executive branch of the government. Hence, as official Congressional correspondence (whether one agrees with the content, or not) it is definitely an acceptable, permissible source.

That Bachmann, et al, are "Abedin's political opponents" is your own assumption of the motives of those conducting the investigation. A letter requesting information does not qualify them for your label of Abedin's "political opponents."

Fourth — Whether McCain's comments drew praise from newspapers is irrelevant. McCain's comments are opinion. Opinion is not the same as presenting facts which allow the reader to decide for himself—which is the policy required by Misplaced Pages, as I indicated previously.

Nevertheless, it would be a stretch, but these comments could be left in, if they are clearly labeled as opinion, and, for balance, personal testimonials are added which support Bachmann, et al. Once again, allowing the reader then to decide for himself.

In conclusion — This article, as currently written, does not meet Misplaced Pages's required editorial standards. Hackercraft (talk) 23:05, 15 September 2012 (UTC)

Again, neutrality does not mean counting heads and giving equal weight to each of them. If it did, the articles on global warming and the September 11 attacks would look very different. "Facts" that are not supported by reputable sources don't belong on Misplaced Pages or in any other serious reference work. You fundamentally misunderstood BLPSPS: "Never use self-published sources as sources of material about a living person, unless written or published by the subject." Bachmann's letter was not published by an independent publisher with a reputation for fact-checking and accuracy; it was self-published by Bachmann et al. Therefore, it might be usable for Bachmann's article, but it is not in any way appropriate as a source on Abedin. Prolog (talk) 08:37, 16 September 2012 (UTC)

Third response

What is becoming obvious is that you are determined to maintain a pro-Abedin slant in the article, in violation of one of the most fundamental of Misplaced Pages's policies, the neutral point-of-view.

In your responses you make claims, but you offer no support for your claims. Unsupported assertions resolve nothing.

Let's try it again.

Prolog: "Again, neutrality does not mean counting heads and giving equal weight to each of them..."

Leaving aside for the moment the fact that there are on-going official Congressional inquiries into Muslim Brotherhood influence, it was your own claim earlier that Muslim Brotherhood influence is a "fringe theory," yet you fail to provide any methodology for determining fringe theories. So, it remains simply your claim.

Therefore, my conclusion is at least as valid as yours (if not more so), that based upon the article's own content, opinion is about evenly divided when one, as you put it, 'counts heads.' (i.e., Bachmann, et al vs. McCain, et al) Ergo, not a "fringe theory."

Prolog: "If it did, the articles on global warming and the September 11 attacks would look very different."

What those articles might look like is irrelevant to this discussion.

Prolog: ""Facts" that are not supported by reputable sources don't belong on Misplaced Pages or in any other serious reference work."

In that case, inserting the opinions of McCain, et al, cannot be justified, as they are 'not supported by reputable sources,' but only by McCain himself.

Prolog: "You fundamentally misunderstood BLPSPS: "Never use self-published sources as sources of material about a living person, unless written or published by the subject.""

Once again, self-published does not mean something that someone has written. If it did, then all of Misplaced Pages's content would have to be removed, since someone has written.everything in it.

Self-published means, rather, material that a person has written about himself or about herself. That this is the case becomes readily apparent when one considers the phrase from WP:BLPSPS: "Living persons may publish material about themselves. . ." Michele Bachmann was not writing about herself.

I suggest you consult other, disinterested administrators for clarification.

(http://www.webster-dictionary.org/definition/disinterested)

Prolog: "Bachmann's letter was not published by an independent publisher with a reputation for fact-checking and accuracy; it was self-published by Bachmann et al."

You cannot use this rationale to dismiss the Bachmann letter. The opinions of McCain, et al, (which you are supporting) were also 'not published by an independent publisher with a reputation for fact-checking and accuracy.' They are McCain's own statements, just as Bachmann's letter is her own statement. Your reasoning is not logical.

Prolog: "Therefore, it might be usable for Bachmann's article, but it is not in any way appropriate as a source on Abedin."

On the contrary, it is the essence of this section of the Abedin article. It is entirely appropriate as a reference source on Abedin, because, as I already described in an earlier response, it establishes and documents the fact that Abedin is the subject of a Congressional investigation, nothing more, nothing less.

Conclusion

1. The pro-Abedin testimonials should be removed.

2. The excerpt from the Bachmann letter should be restored.

Most troubling, though, it appears that your own personal viewpoint is interferring with your ability to edit objectively.

Hackercraft (talk) 16:08, 23 October 2012 (UTC)

Reliable sources consider the Muslim Brotherhood conspiracy theories as fringe; not just me. You are simply refusing to accept the vast difference between a self-published partisan letter and a reputed neutral third-party source, and even failing to understand what self-publishing means (that is what you should have looked up in a dictionary). I don't know if you lack the competence to edit here or if you are just trying to wikilawyer your way around established policy. In either case, if you struggle with the simplest publishing terms, you will struggle with Misplaced Pages's content policies. Please don't waste my time. Prolog (talk) 04:56, 24 October 2012 (UTC)

Trust me, I wouldn't be wasting my time if you weren't obstructing a cleanup of the article.

You still haven't explained how the Bachmann letter falls into the catagory of self-publication. Frankly, I'm beginning to question your competence.

Have you consulted other, disinterested administrators for clarification? If so, whom? Hackercraft (talk) 16:43, 26 October 2012 (UTC)

If five people write a letter independently of any publisher and the main author publishes it as a PDF on her official website, the letter is a self-published work. Did you even click the wikilink above? The definition in the article is correct: "Self-publishing is the publication of any book or other media by the author of the work, without the involvement of an established third-party publisher." Prolog (talk) 06:06, 27 October 2012 (UTC)

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A barnstar for you!

	The Writer's Barnstar
	You deserve this for your work at Paavo Nurmi. It is a GA now and undoubtedly, the credit only goes to you. Keep up the good work, we need editors like this. Cheers! TheSpecialUser  13:04, 20 September 2012 (UTC)

I've made few changes; removed promotional terms from lead and did some width changes to get it to GA. I did it myself as they all were minor. Thanks! TheSpecialUser  13:06, 20 September 2012 (UTC)

Thanks a lot! Prolog (talk) 17:30, 20 September 2012 (UTC)

ITN for Sébastien Loeb

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Huma Abedin Controversy

In a Controversy-paragraph it is usefull not only to mention the anti-controversy information but also the BASIS of the controversy. If that is not done the information is ONE-SIDED and that is not the policy of Misplaced Pages! BrutusVT (talk) 07:44, 25 October 2012 (UTC)

Your sources (WND, Counterjihadreport.com, The Source with Ezra Levant and court records) fail WP:BLP and WP:V by a country mile, and the YouTube link is not allowed per WP:EL. If you can't find a single reliable source to back up your claims, your factoids are unsuitable for an encyclopedia. This is not one-sidedness; it is due weight (see WP:UNDUE and WP:FRINGE). Prolog (talk) 09:25, 25 October 2012 (UTC)

FYI

Talk:Facundo Argüello (tennis)

HandsomeFella (talk) 09:49, 5 November 2012 (UTC)

Your Diacritical marks essay

Please see comments here.   LittleBen (talk) 05:17, 6 November 2012 (UTC)

Scibaby yet again?

Mike Nature Trick (talk · contribs) is up to a rather familiar pattern of editing... Prioryman (talk) 21:11, 2 December 2012 (UTC)

Agreed. I'm keeping an eye on the account. Prolog (talk) 22:56, 2 December 2012 (UTC)

Got a live one for you: Call Me Ream (talk · contribs). Prioryman (talk) 01:43, 9 December 2012 (UTC)

Michael Moore's page

'rv poorly sourced quotes'

What's wrong with citing from a Moore-written article, from the Stop the War Coalition?

http://www.stopwar.org.uk/index.php/usa-war-on-terror/2158-michael-moore-why-i-dont-support-the-troops-america-and-neither-do-you

Beingsshepherd (talk) 16:53, 28 February 2013 (UTC)Beingsshepherd

You added a large number of quotes, separating them with commas and losing much of the context. That constitutes a confusing list of sentences the subject wrote on the topic, rather than a proper summary of his views. This article indeed works as a source (unlike the two others), but self-published sources must be used carefully to maintain due weight and ensure that the additions are appropriate for an encyclopedia. Please also note that bolding should never be used for emphasis. Prolog (talk) 18:57, 28 February 2013 (UTC)

Whisson Windmill

Hi mate! Just trying to ascertain the rationale behind this edit to this AFD. The comment was certainly off topic, but it was clearly in response to the article creator being raised as an issue by a visiting admin. You didn't really explain why you thought it should be removed in your edit summary and generally, comments at AFD aren't removed unless they contain a personal attack, outing or something that can't be resolved in the discussion or by hatting the comment. I certainly won't revert your revert but I thought I should raise it here rather than there. Feel free to respond here, if you like. Cheers, Stalwart111 23:29, 10 March 2013 (UTC)

Oh, fail. Just noticed you blocked him as a sock-puppet. That explains that. My apologies! Carry on with your excellent work. Cheers, Stalwart111 23:35, 10 March 2013 (UTC)

Kalle Grundel

I'm a fan. Nice to see someone else cares :) - Alison 23:20, 29 May 2013 (UTC)

I like the era. Had to insert the interwikis manually as there are two Wikidata pages for the person, and I have no idea how to merge those. Prolog (talk) 23:49, 29 May 2013 (UTC)

Mea Maxima Culpa: Silence in the House of God

You know very well that your deletions have nothing to do with any Misplaced Pages violations and everything to do with anti-Catholic bigotry. The very issues about anti-Catholicism in the 'Catholic World Report' articles were addressed during an internationally aired interview with 'Mea Maxima Culpa' director Alex Gibney conducted by Amy Goodman on the show Democracy Now (11/13/02).

You clearly have an agenda with regards to this film and obviously do not want readers to know about legitimate criticism of it.

You provide more evidence for the fact that anti-Catholicism is the last accepted bigotry around.

Not cool. Not cool at all.

Soon to be banned? (If anti-Catholicism rules the day, then yes.) 323dfp (talk) 01:19, 7 July 2013 (UTC)

Sockpuppetry

Hi. I'm just curious, how did you determine that Ss6j81avz is a sock of Grundle2600? He/she seems to have gotten away with it through hundreds of edits over 3 months... --Dr. Fleischman (talk) 22:16, 17 July 2013 (UTC)

Hey. I'm not a checkuser so my sock blocks are based on behavioral evidence (unless otherwise stated). For obvious reasons, I won't go into the specifics here. Prolog (talk) 22:39, 17 July 2013 (UTC)

FYI. --Dr. Fleischman (talk) 22:27, 22 July 2013 (UTC)

 Confirmed per CU - Alison 00:48, 23 July 2013 (UTC)

Thanks. I have blocked the account. Prolog (talk) 04:25, 23 July 2013 (UTC)

How about this one? And is there a policy I can cite to reverse them? --Dr. Fleischman (talk) 05:25, 23 July 2013 (UTC)

 Confirmed - if things get really bad, I can possibly rangeblock. And yeah, WP:RBI - Alison 05:36, 23 July 2013 (UTC)

This one's kind of stinky too. Precocious and similar POV. --Dr. Fleischman (talk) 04:51, 15 October 2013 (UTC)

• sigh -  Confirmed - Alison 05:17, 15 October 2013 (UTC)

Here's another one. --Dr. Fleischman (talk) 16:52, 15 October 2013 (UTC)

IAAF Hall of Fame

You seem to have fun deleting the list of people reaching the specification for the IAAF Hall of Fame. I will note I did not start this list, there is an on page invitation to expand the list which I did from yes my knowledge of medalists and world records, but ALL OF THIS IS PUBLIC RECORD. There is no secrecy who has won each Olympic medal since 1896. The world record progressions are less well documented, just because the IAAF keeps misdirecting the information on their website, but it is still well documented because other people are retaining what IAAF has published in the past. It is written history. A name on the list from 1947 is going to remain on the list today. It will be an unnecessary duplication of effort to source each entry here, you can click on each name and see these famous athletes' accomplishments and each is well sourced on their own pages. Start with sports-reference.com I've been over the list of names here quite thoroughly. So as I said when I reverted your deletion of content, show me an error, particularly an error I committed. Trackinfo (talk) 11:41, 28 July 2013 (UTC)

Believe me, it is not "fun" to see an experienced editor repeatedly insert factual errors and text-book original research. I'll give you a few examples of why policies such as WP:V, WP:OR, WP:CRYSTAL and WP:BLP exist:

• Bailey has three WC gold medals, not one.
• Kipketer does not qualify as he retired in 2005.
• Lopes does not qualify with only one gold (you fixed this one, although only after twice reinserting it).
• Mutola does not qualify as she retired in 2008.
• Ritola set two 10,000 m world records in 1924; not one in 1900.
• Saneyev set three world records, not one.
• Virén set three world records, not one.
• Železný does not qualify as he retired in 2006.

These are the errors I noticed with just a quick look. I haven't investigated the claims about athletes I am less familiar with. Even with all the errors supposedly fixed, the list is unsourced, unencyclopedic, crystal-balling junk and needs to be nuked from mainspace (keep it in your userspace if you must). You need to understand that claims need to be explicitly supported by a reliable source, not just to the point where you can reach your own conclusions (read WP:SYN very carefully). Even if you do find such a source for some athlete, the claim has no place in the main article as the list of possible inductees is not an encyclopedic subject. Prolog (talk) 15:14, 28 July 2013 (UTC)

Your irrational overreactions and now threats are perplexing. What I responded to was apparently posted first in this edit by User:Kasper2006, which contained an invitation to add more names. When I discovered this article, 14 months later, much of the content you object to had already been posted by Kasper and User:97.123.89.155 and a host of others. Most of your objections seem to be on the basis of minor details as to the exact number of medals they have received, when they received them or the official date of their retirement. Yes those are details of the criteria, so yes there are details to be cleaned up. You as an editor chose not to clean up details you readily admit are details YOU KNOW. I'll note you haven't provided a source either. Those of us in the know, I'll include you in this statement, know this information is very public and easily sourceable. I contend this information is so common, sourcing does not need to be duplicated on a non-BLP page where these articles are wikilinked. There is no violation of WP:BLP and additionally (aside from minor numerical values that do not affect the outcome) the information is correct. You can check the sources yourself. You obviously did. So there is no question about WP:V. You discovered minor errors, most of which were not mine until I had to respond to YOUR wholesale deletion of the section. The statement is "Other athletes who match the criteria." You also obviously understand the criteria from which all this information is generated. There is no mystery here. You couldn't make the corrections you put in this talk page above if it were not publicly understood, clearly there is no WP:OR here. These are minimums and even with factual changes, all meet the minimums, or in the detail of retirement dates, will. Perhaps the most egregious error in the list is Carlos Lopes, not my edit. And even that was only that the overzealous IP counted Lopes' two IAAF World Championships at Cross Country, which could be close enough but are technically not track and field, meaning its a gray area to the criteria. And since this is a statement of fact that these athletes match the criteria, not stating that they are in fact members of the Hall, there is no predictive action here and this is clearly not WP:CRYSTAL). What this is, is YOU starting an unnecessary WP:EDITWAR. You are on your fourth revert without making any contribution to the content other than repeated deletion. I invited you to take this discussion to the talk page, to get other people involved. Instead you have insisted on keeping it on the path less traveled and bounce between our private talk pages. So I suggest you are the troublemaker here on multiple grounds. For now, I suggest again you take your ONE PERSON OPINION about the validity of the section to the page's talk page. Lets hear some other comments. I suggest you invite Kasper, the IPs, plus all the other contributors to that section (there are a bunch) to talk on the issue so we can reach a consensus on your deletion. Be thorough, I'm watching. Barring any positive action by you, the next time I return I'll revert again and will copy all this discussion to the talk page. Trackinfo (talk) 09:48, 2 August 2013 (UTC)

You state that "there is no violation of WP:BLP" and "clearly there is no WP:OR here", but you have not produced a single source that would verify any of those athletes as a possible future inductee. Simply stating that I am wrong is not addressing the concerns. In case it was not obvious which bits of policy I was referring to, I'll quote a few here:

• WP:V: "The burden of evidence lies with the editor who adds or restores material, and is satisfied by providing a reliable source that directly supports the material."
• WP:OR: "To demonstrate that you are not adding OR, you must be able to cite reliable, published sources that are directly related to the topic of the article, and directly support the material being presented."
• WP:SYN: "Do not combine material from multiple sources to reach or imply a conclusion not explicitly stated by any of the sources."
• WP:CRYSTAL: "Misplaced Pages is not a collection of unverifiable speculation. It is appropriate to report discussion and arguments about the prospects for success of future proposals and projects or whether some development will occur, if discussion is properly referenced. It is not appropriate for editors to insert their own opinions or analyses."
• WP:BLP: "...any material challenged or likely to be challenged must be explicitly attributed to a reliable, published source, which is usually done with an inline citation. Contentious material about living persons (or in some cases, recently deceased) that is unsourced or poorly sourced – whether the material is negative, positive, neutral, or just questionable – should be removed immediately and without waiting for discussion."

I have taken this matter to Misplaced Pages:No original research/Noticeboard#IAAF Hall of Fame. Prolog (talk) 11:37, 2 August 2013 (UTC)

I completely agree with Trackinfo. Having myself "open" this list, it is clear that it (as is usually allowed from wikipedia), is expanding. If Prolog had found errors in it, he had to correct it do not delete it. I therefore ask that the list is reinserted. --Kasper2006 (talk) 09:58, 2 August 2013 (UTC)

Please address the concerns about this content at the new discussion I linked above. Prolog (talk) 11:37, 2 August 2013 (UTC)

Books and Bytes: The Misplaced Pages Library Newsletter

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Terry McAuliffe

Please see Talk:Terry McAuliffe#Discussion. Instaurare (talk) 23:50, 28 October 2013 (UTC)

Martin Bashir

What can be a more authoritative source on Martin Bashir than Martin Bashir himself? It seems that Misplaced Pages's definition of "reliable source" is indistinguishable from "pre-filtered pre-approved closed loop echo chamber." Content might be offensive, but it is accurate and is as well documented as is technically possible with 2013 consumer technology. Jwbaumann (talk) 22:07, 17 November 2013 (UTC)

Your source was an unreliable blog, and you misrepresented Bashir's comments by making conclusions about what the subject "suggested" and by leaving out all context. If you think your content was "accurate" and "well documented", you do not understand this project's core policies. The fact that no reputable newspaper has covered this shows that the content does not belong in an encyclopedia, even if it was rewritten in a neutral tone. Prolog (talk) 10:13, 18 November 2013 (UTC)

The Misplaced Pages Library Survey

As a subscriber to one of The Misplaced Pages Library's programs, we'd like to hear your thoughts about future donations and project activities in this brief survey. Thanks and cheers, Ocaasi 16:01, 9 December 2013 (UTC)

Bias Issue

I noticed that your edits to Anders Behring Breivik were very selective and incredibly biased. You changed words like "hero" to "perpetrator" and "battle" to "attack". It seems like you're going out of your way to make him into the villain. It's just like NBC's treatment of George Zimmerman. I don't think people with such hateful biases like yourself should be editing people's pages. — Preceding unsigned comment added by The Coat Hanger (talk • contribs) 06:22, 11 December 2013 (UTC)

Here, have some drink for the hard work!

Thank you for great service in the Wikiproject Finland, Onneksi Olkoon!!! Aeazer (talk) 09:42, 13 December 2013 (UTC)

Thanks, and welcome aboard! Prolog (talk) 17:16, 13 December 2013 (UTC)

Joan Walsh

About the Joan Walsh quote, it is real. I remember when she wrote the article in 1990 and it was printed in the Examiner. It caused a real commotion in the Bay Area, with people arguing about it in print and in periodicals for several weeks. There was no internet then (at least no internet as we know it). Just because it happened before the internet doesn't mean it didn't happen or it isn't controversial and worth including in the article. Chisme (talk) 23:51, 13 December 2013 (UTC)

Replied at Talk:Joan Walsh. Prolog (talk) 07:07, 15 December 2013 (UTC)

Edit LiveScience

I see you reverted my edits on this topic. I would like to comply with Misplaced Pages guidelines, and though I am new, your explanation for your edit is not clear. Another user, GoBonobo, deleted my addition on the grounds of WP: NOR. I didn't see this, and, thinking my addition just hadn't posted properly, I reposted it. Losing it twice made me look more closely, and I saw you deleted it for the same reason she did as well as for personal commentary. I read Wiki's NOR policy and tried again. You were right that my first post contained an opinion in the first sentence (which I thought would not be controversial), so I removed it and relied on a secondary source. You deleted it again with the comment "same crap plus some blogger's opinion." Regarding the list of topics, I can source all of those if it is necessary. I sourced all the contributors. Regarding the publication's characterization of policies it opposes--if you read the articles footnoted, I don't think you will find I have mischaracterized their stance.

Please explain specifically how the parts you object to conflict with WP's policies. Regarding the article by Berezow in RealClearSience, I don't understand why it is against the policies to discuss public criticism. I recall seeing it discussed in many Misplaced Pages articles, and I don't recall seeing anything in guidelines prohibiting it. The blogger in question, Alex Berezow, is the Founding Editor of RealClearScience, has a Ph.D. in Microbiology, and has been published in USA Today, The Los Angeles Times, US News and World Report, The Economist, and The Wall Street Journal, etc. See more here, http://www.linkedin.com/pub/alex-b-berezow/0/22a/700. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Leandermeander (talk • contribs) 03:31, 4 January 2014 (UTC)

You should not be characterizing the publication's articles, authors or policy views in any way; that is a job for reliable sources such as scholarly works and reputable newspapers and books. If a proper source does not exist, the content does not belong in the encyclopedia. Picking a few articles published by the subject and drawing conclusions from them is original research and never acceptable, even if you think you're being very accurate and fair. Berezow's views are noted at Politicization of science#Overview. If his opinion on LiveScience has not been picked up by third-party sources, it would be undue weight to report it in the article. Welcome, Prolog (talk) 15:18, 4 January 2014 (UTC)

Stop your vandalism

The information I've added is perfectly in line with the rules. If it has excessive weight in the article, go ahead and make the article larger. You can't remove sourced info just because you don't like it. You can try explaining your vandalism on the talk page of the article. Le Grand Bleu (talk) 15:00, 22 February 2014 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages is not a soapbox. The sourced bits are an unattributed copy-paste from the event article, which you are inappropriately forking into Jauhojärvi's article in your mission to right great wrongs and punish the wrongdoer. I retained a neutral summary about the quickly rejected protest, but Välbe's opinion has no place to be highlighted in Jauhojärvi's biography. Due weight is not negotiable and, per WP:BLP, the onus to ensure the material is in line with policy is on the editor who adds or restores the content. That's you. Given your appalling and blockworthy attacks against the living subject on both the article and the talk page, you might find yourself blocked from editing the next time you attempt to reinsert a BLP violation into the article. Prolog (talk) 21:05, 22 February 2014 (UTC)

I just realized you're severely biased. You're from Finland. Of course this controversy affects your national pride. A perfect example of conflict of interest. You're already twisting the rules. SOAP and CWW have nothing to do with this. I suggest you stay out of it until you learn to differentiate between personal and objective. As for everything else, there's a thing called consensus, and I AGAIN, for the FOURTH time, encourage you to use the article's talk page to discuss it instead of abusing your administrator's rights and threatening me. Thank you. Le Grand Bleu (talk) 04:08, 23 February 2014 (UTC)

Please join the conversation on Talk:Sami Jauhojärvi. --NeilN 07:58, 23 February 2014 (UTC)

An RfC that you may be interested in...

As one of the previous contributors to {{Infobox film}} or as one of the commenters on it's talk page, I would like to inform you that there has been a RfC started on the talk page as to implementation of previously deprecated parameters. Your comments and thoughts on the matter would be welcomed. Happy editing!

This message was sent by MediaWiki message delivery (talk) on behalf of {{U|Technical 13}} 18:26, 8 March 2014 (UTC)

Simo Häyhä

Remember, that as mere (It's maybybe truth or not, so Hayha was highest kill or not). We can't confirm that, and i think "one of the highest" is exactly than "highest"MiG29VN (talk) 16:26, 23 April 2014 (UTC)

We write what reliable sources say and don't give undue weight to unconfirmed, fringe claims. You have still not provided a single reliable source for your wording change to "one of the highest", and the unreliable sources you used have now been shown to present shady figures that have not been accepted by reputable publications. Either stop reverting or start presenting sources that aren't random websites or WW2 propaganda bulletins that don't even mention the subject (WP:SYNTHESIS). Prolog (talk) 17:21, 23 April 2014 (UTC)

Banner of Victory (Знамена Победы) - Russian book 1975. It's realiable sourcesMiG29VN (talk) 01:26, 24 April 2014 (UTC)

The book, published by Pravda, a party organ not usually considered reliable here, quotes a colorful bit from a WW2 bulletin with in-text attribution and makes no mention of Häyhä. You can not use this highly questionable source to synthesize and contradict assertions from reputable major newspapers. Your change fails all the three core content policies: WP:V, WP:NPOV (WP:UNDUE) and WP:NOR (WP:SYNTHESIS). Prolog (talk) 02:32, 24 April 2014 (UTC)

New book: Special Forces Sniper Skills. Robert Stirling: http://books.google.com.vn/books?id=fCqZ7ozPJ9YC&pg=PT28&dq=702+confirm+kill&hl=vi&sa=X&ei=d31YU7bbFoPd8AX7q4H4Bg&redir_esc=y#v=onepage&q=702%20confirm%20kill&f=false — Preceding unsigned comment added by MiG29VN (talk • contribs) 02:58, 24 April 2014 (UTC)

That's reliable, but it too credits Häyhä as the sniper-kill record holder despite mentioning Surkov and his figure earlier: "The top Russian male sniper was Mikhail Surkov of the 4th Rifle Division with 702 confirmed kills over the course of the Axis invasion. Besides the Russians he killed with his rifle, Häyhä killed a further 200 men with a Suomi KP/-31 submachine gun, thus bringing his credited kills to at least 705. Unofficially, he is thought to have killed more than 800 men in the 100 days, but his accredited sniping total of 505 is the highest number of confirmed sniping kills in any war." However, I wouldn't now object to a change as long as it reflects the near unanimity of reliable sources. The wording used by The Washington Post seems fair: "Finnish sniper Simo Hayha killed more than 500 Soviets during World War II, by most estimates a world record in known combat operations. " Prolog (talk) 13:35, 24 April 2014 (UTC)

Remember, 200 kill with submachine gun is PROBALY kill (we can't confirm because sub-machine gun were used at close combat). If we count probaly kill, Surkov have more than 1.000 kills, Zaitsev have more than 500 kills, etc... I said we can't confirm who is the best (because these Probaly kills). So, we can write: by most estimates the one of the highest record in known combat operationsMiG29VN (talk) 14:55, 24 April 2014 (UTC)

Our job is to stick to what reliable sources write about the subject. There are plenty of sources for a wording like "the highest" and WaPo for something like "by most estimates, the highest". Do you have a reliable source for your suggestion ("by most estimates the one of the highest record")? Prolog (talk) 15:49, 24 April 2014 (UTC)

See http://books.google.com.vn/books?id=jCf9ysI0VvMC&pg=PT56&dq=simo+hayha+one+of+the+highest&hl=vi&sa=X&ei=EzpZU_rjO8XqlAW05oGQDw&redir_esc=y#v=onepage&q=simo%20hayha%20one%20of%20the%20highest&f=false - One of the world's deadliestMiG29VN (talk) 16:23, 24 April 2014 (UTC)

"One of the world's deadliest soldiers", not "one of the world's deadliest snipers". I also don't think that this book qualifies as reliable as the publisher seems to be a convert-file-to-ebook service (WP:SPS). Prolog (talk) 16:50, 24 April 2014 (UTC)

Bottas

Vandalism? You call adding facts vandalism? Is this how things work on Misplaced Pages. How can you delete my addition without explanation and call it vandalism? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.165.3.250 (talk) 04:44, 5 May 2014 (UTC)

Keep those "facts" to yourself. This is an encyclopedia. Prolog (talk) 04:52, 5 May 2014 (UTC)

Yes, and encyclopediae are made up of facts the last time I checked. 122.165.3.250 (talk) 04:59, 5 May 2014 (UTC)

Request for comment

Hello there, a proposal regarding pre-adminship review has been raised at Village pump by Anna Frodesiak. Your comments here is very much appreciated. Many thanks. Jim Carter through MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 06:46, 28 May 2014 (UTC)

ROC listed at Redirects for discussion

An editor has asked for a discussion to address the redirect ROC. Since you had some involvement with the ROC redirect, you might want to participate in the redirect discussion if you have not already done so. TheChampionMan1234 03:32, 18 June 2014 (UTC)

Peter Sunde

Hi,

Please do not remove citied and verified information that is displayed in a factual matter on WP because you don't agree with the facts. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 14.202.37.66 (talk) 01:49, 28 July 2014 (UTC)

Sensoring the internet

What a great contribution to freedom of information you have, overstepping power to sensor the internet. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 14.202.37.66 (talk) 02:42, 28 July 2014 (UTC)

Minor typo in infoboxes

Hi, I noticed that you are an active editor and admin from Finland and as a fellow-finn just thought to ask about this little typo in infoboxes. For example in the articles about Sysmä, Sastamala, Pielavesi etc. there is the word "area" and a given date (2011-01-01) typed together although they should be separated by a space. I tried to edit this line in the text but couldn't do it, but is it somehow possible to fix this little error? Thanks/Kiitti :) 83.148.218.223 (talk) 09:35, 24 August 2014 (UTC)

Good catch. It seems this fixed it. Prolog (talk) 16:19, 24 August 2014 (UTC)

Hello

Just wanted to pop in and say hello!! I'll be getting on for ten years ago soon that I created Rauno Aaltonen! Doesn't time fly!♦ Dr. Blofeld 19:33, 20 September 2014 (UTC)

Hey. You can't argue with timestamps of the past, but at least you can try to ignore them. So, nice to meet you! Prolog (talk) 12:00, 26 September 2014 (UTC)

Alpine Rally

I want to emphasize that the "Alpine Rally" (or "Rallye des Alpes") and the "Coupes des Alpes" are two different rally.

Both share the same history as the Austrian Alpenfarht but are totally different now.

At the end of the 80s two distinct association were created:

- Rally Story (which runs the "Coupes des Alpes") www.rallystory.com
- Alpine Rally Association (which runs the "Rallye des Alpes") www.rallyedesalpes.com

The "Rallye des Alpes" is the revival of the "Alpenfarht" and if you look like at the event you will see that is like back at the old times.

Others differences:

- The "Coupes des Alpes" is only in France unlike the "Rallye des Alpes" which is international (Switzerland, France, Austria, Italy and Germany).
- The "Rallye des Alpes" is historic and welcomes only cars built from 1910 to 1963.

One fact to be careful with is that the trophy that you win in the "Rallye des Alpes" is a coupe des Alpes.

I'm sure together we can improve these wiki pages, make them better and right. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rallyedesalpes (talk • contribs) 10:39, 1 October 2014 (UTC)

Hey. Please take some time to familiarize yourself with Misplaced Pages's policies, such as verifiability, no original research and neutral point of view. The article at hand is about the rally that existed in its own form from 1932 to 1971, as reported by Martin Pfundner in Alpine Trials & Rallies and by other reliable sources. Additional information about the subject's roots and development is welcome as long as it is written with an encyclopedic tone and based on a source with a reputation for fact-checking and accuracy. Similarly, revival events can be mentioned in the article if they have been noted by independent, reputable sources. If you are connected to the Alpine Rally Association, you should also read the Misplaced Pages guideline on conflict of interest. Prolog (talk) 13:45, 1 October 2014 (UTC)

Freedom Socialist Party

why did you revert this bc of npov reasons? As I remember this being a controversy. Avono (talk) 13:23, 29 November 2014 (UTC)

The addition was made by a sockpuppet account in violation of the puppeteer's community ban. Prolog (talk) 13:48, 29 November 2014 (UTC)

I also noticed you reverting posts by Revs438 over at Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act. Where is the evidence that this user is a sockpuppet of User:Grundle2600? I don't see any case listed at WP:Sockpuppet investigations. I clicked through to the contributions page of each account, and I couldn't find any conclusive behavioral evidence linking the two accounts. Where is the justification for the accusations of sockpuppetry? Where is the investigation and the community discussion building a case for the block? TBSchemer (talk) 05:22, 30 November 2014 (UTC)

Admins are free to act on the behavioral evidence they have gathered, and often choose to do so quietly when dealing with serial sockpuppeteers and other long-term abuse of the project. The evidence in this case was 100% conclusive. Hence the block. Prolog (talk) 11:59, 30 November 2014 (UTC)

So where is this 100% conclusive evidence? I don't mean to sound confrontational, but I just find it a little disconcerting that someone can be accused of being a sockpuppet and be blocked indefinitely by a single person acting as judge, jury, and executioner. TBSchemer (talk) 14:23, 30 November 2014 (UTC)

If you don't see the evidence, you're not familiar with this breed of ducks. An obvious sock does not need to be obvious to all passersby. Prolog (talk) 18:16, 30 November 2014 (UTC)

A duck test is hardly appropriate for this accusation. You should really apply some actual evidence before wholesale removing of sourced information. Furthermore, your linked essay is not a guideline and does not apply as none of what rev did could be considered vandalism. Overzealous administration is probably just as bad as the crime you are claiming. Arzel (talk) 18:56, 30 November 2014 (UTC)

Given that CU is not even accepted to confirm obvious socks, I'm all ears about this exciting new alternative to behavioral analysis that finally provides "some actual evidence". Prolog (talk) 22:40, 30 November 2014 (UTC)

All I'm looking for is some evidence of these behaviors that make the connection so obvious. You said it was 100% conclusive that these two accounts were created by the same person. Well, if you're absolutely sure that it's a duck, then certainly it should be easy to point to its duck-bill, its duck-feet, its duck-quack, its duck-waddle, etc. After going through Grundle2600's disputed contributions, it seems like the offense that got him sanctioned was repeatedly creating new articles with titles that insult political figures. I don't see any of that in Revs438's contributions. Their behavior is completely different, with no true vandalism coming from Revs438. In fact, the only resemblance between Grundle2600 and Revs438 that I can see is a possible vague similarity in their political views. However, it would be pretty bad if Misplaced Pages administrators were abusing the sockpuppet-blocking mechanism to systematically weed out editors they thought had particular political views, wouldn't it? How many other accounts have you accused of being sockpuppets of Grundle2600? After reading the list of sockpuppet investigations related to Grundle2600, I'm concerned that the campaign against his socks may have become a politically-fueled witch hunt. Can you please offer some evidence for your sockpuppet accusations (also against Heloderma suspectum...the accusations look quite unsubstantiated there) to reassure me that these actions against editors are not as subjective as they seem? TBSchemer (talk) 01:23, 1 December 2014 (UTC)

The evidence for my sock blocks is always available to any administrator, and to any trusted editor with relevant experience. You are looking at edits from 2010 or earlier for comparison with a 2014 sock, contesting a block on a 2010 CU-confirmed sock and wondering why I don't post what is essentially a guide on how socks should try to avoid detection in the future. I have no desire to be someone's tutor or to alleviate "concerns" that are nothing but clueless conspiracy theories. Prolog (talk) 14:29, 1 December 2014 (UTC)

Per , it is a violation of policy to even use CU on an account unless that account has already engaged in disruptive behavior. There are serious privacy issues, and CU has a known tendency to produce false positives. If you have blocked even one good-faith editor in pursuit of socks that haven't even caused any disruption, then you are doing more harm to the Misplaced Pages project than your quarry. TBSchemer (talk) 16:06, 1 December 2014 (UTC)

Kajaani

Hi, this was recently promoted to GA and at the time badly needed improvement. I'm trying to get it up to at least near GA status. I was wondering if you could translate the history from Finnish wikipedia or a decent source and I can help source it?♦ Dr. Blofeld 13:03, 11 December 2014 (UTC)

Hey. Great work, but I'm afraid I don't have the time to look into this right now. Prolog (talk) 00:06, 12 December 2014 (UTC)

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Thank you!

		The Original Barnstar
		I would like to award this barnstar to you for noticing the unwanted results of the substituting and therefore putting the first step in fixing the F1stat template. Many thanks, Tvx1 (talk) 23:03, 13 December 2014 (UTC)

Thanks. I think that without your initial edits the template would have remained unfixed for a long time. Prolog (talk) 17:21, 14 December 2014 (UTC)

Dubious edits

Hi, I'm not quite sure about the recent edits in Fusel alcohol whether they are constructive or not, but decided to report them here. I'm not certain about the edit by 75.155.35.37 but I think this user 142.110.227.189 has done some suspicious deletions of text and already has a previous track record in pointless editing. I'm not sure if they are vandalism or how to report them properly but just decided to give a heads up. 83.148.218.223 (talk) 12:31, 14 December 2014 (UTC)

Hey. It looks like everything has been fixed by another editor. 75.155 changed the wording in a direct quote, so that edit had to be reverted too. Prolog (talk) 17:25, 14 December 2014 (UTC)

Oh nice, problem solved. Maybe I still did the right thing for pointing those edits out? I'm not sure what to do if I come across these kind of dubious edits and how and where to report them to be checked out by someone with more skill? 83.148.218.223 (talk) 06:43, 15 December 2014 (UTC)

I think notifying an active editor or WikiProject almost always works, but the general guideline is to be bold. If you identify a problem, which can be anything from a good-faith error to pure vandalism, you can fix or revert the relevant edit(s) yourself. For more serious and/or complicated issues, there are several noticeboards. Prolog (talk) 22:13, 15 December 2014 (UTC)

I will take a closer look at these pages and try to be bolder in the future. All said and done, I wish you merry Christmas (hopefully a white one) and a great new year. d:) 83.148.218.223 (talk) 07:39, 17 December 2014 (UTC)

Thanks, same to you. Prolog (talk) 20:25, 17 December 2014 (UTC)

Trasel sockpuppets

I see you filed this report: Misplaced Pages:Sockpuppet investigations/Trasel/Archive a while ago. I think I may have run into some new sockpuppets from the same user.

• BellicoseSouthernBelle (talk · contribs)
• SoBanal,SoBanal (talk · contribs)
• ArdentBravesFan (talk · contribs)
• ReformedBeliever (talk · contribs)
• DunwoodyWoody (talk · contribs)
• TheSwitzerdude (talk · contribs)
• 50.37.76.226 (talk · contribs)
• OldCowpoke (talk · contribs)

What do you think? Rezin (talk) 21:09, 27 January 2015 (UTC)

I'd say you've found a good collection of socks. I requested checkuser at Misplaced Pages:Sockpuppet investigations/Trasel. Prolog (talk) 11:10, 28 January 2015 (UTC)

That's brilliant detective work. Thanks for following up and filing the new case. Rezin (talk) 16:47, 28 January 2015 (UTC)

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Do you think this chap could be our old friend? Some of the usual tells but I've been out of the loop for a while. Short Brigade Harvester Boris (talk) 01:47, 12 August 2015 (UTC)

It's possible, but I can't say more than that at this point. I have blocked four other accounts as obvious socks, however. Prolog (talk) 10:25, 12 August 2015 (UTC)

Hockey players

Drat. I thought I'd removed everything that could be troublesome - I'll take a look and fix it. Sorry about that. --Ser Amantio di Nicolao_{Lo dicono a Signa.} 16:26, 23 August 2015 (UTC)

That should be taken care of, then. If you run into any more, please let me know. Again, I apologize - I thought I'd removed everything troublesome from the category tree. --Ser Amantio di Nicolao_{Lo dicono a Signa.} 16:39, 23 August 2015 (UTC)

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Hello there. I am requesting you (being an administrator) to block the Nokia page from unregistered and new users. I am saying this because, looking at the revision history of the page, almost all edits by unregistered users were vandalism that were then reverted. This problem has been going on for a long time and I'm surprised that it still has not been blocked. If I recall, I'm pretty sure the page once was blocked to them indeed, but at the moment it's not (perhaps the block expired?). Look at the history yourself and you'll notice just how much it has been vandalised, so please consider blocking it from editing. Thanks. --G&CP (talk) 14:03, 29 November 2015 (UTC)

Hey. It's a bit of a close call, but I'd say the level of vandalism doesn't quite justify semi-protection at this time. I have the page watchlisted, so we'll see how the situation develops. Previous protections can be viewed here. Nice work with the article, by the way. Prolog (talk) 10:56, 30 November 2015 (UTC)

Removed Links

Prolog, Removing the links I provided was ignorant of you. See the brief description of why I added these and pull your head out of your ass and notice the two links which I suggested be removed which are no longer valid and of which one is now a spam site completely unrelated to motorcycling. The links I added are replacements with appropriate content to replace those that no longer are valid

Links that NEED Removed

I truly can't believe your ignorance. Notice the 2 links in the reference section of the enduro page.

1. 2 is no longer valid
2. 3 is now a spam site

The links I provided are equivelant replacements for these 2 links yet you remove these and leave the links mentioned above. That is the dumbest thing Ive ever seen!! — Preceding unsigned comment added by StuartKaufman (talk • contribs)

Many dead links can be easily fixed. I have fixed the first one and removed the second as the source seemed like a copyright violation. I wish you good luck with your website, but it can not be referenced in a Misplaced Pages article because it does not qualify as a reliable source. Prolog (talk) 17:41, 5 January 2016 (UTC)

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I am unsure what you are complaining about and why you are removing my edit about The Great Deception. I thought I had amended the wording and I do not understand your correction. Please show me how I should write the entry JK — Preceding unsigned comment added by Joking99a (talk • contribs) 18:31, 12 April 2016 (UTC)

Your addition still had at least one sentence copy-pasted directly from the source article, and the whole section was just a summary of what the subject wrote in that particular piece. If you want to write an encyclopedic section on his views on the EU, you should find some third-party sources and cover his views in a more general sense. Prolog (talk) 20:03, 12 April 2016 (UTC)

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Hi,

An unprotection request was made at WP:RFPP, and your input has been requested here. Cheers! 2607:FB90:4A3B:11E7:0:4B:E2D7:1501 (talk) 00:04, 28 July 2016 (UTC)

Thanks for the note. Prolog (talk) 00:33, 28 July 2016 (UTC)

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Template:Gcd

Greetings, wanted to ask if a template with only 10 transclusions as {{Gcd}} needs any protection at all. I don't think it needs any. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 20:12, 23 March 2017 (UTC)

Hey. This template seems to have been deprecated, so I have unprotected it. Thanks, Prolog (talk) 21:16, 23 March 2017 (UTC)

Thanks

Thank you for this edit, and the associated block. He seems to be rather busy today: 50.200.21.222 (talk · contribs · WHOIS). Regards, Xenophrenic (talk) 18:42, 22 April 2017 (UTC)

I blocked that one for a short period as well, although it seems like one of his/her dynamic IPs. Thanks, Prolog (talk) 19:51, 23 April 2017 (UTC)

Related to this same editor, could you take a look at the newly-created Beranton Whisenant article and tell me what you think? Specifically, the very first edit creating the article appears to fill it with all the same unrelated Obamacare vs Cutler, Soros and Seth Rich nonsense favored by our disruptive IP-hopper from the Lancaster, Pennsylvania area. This new article, however, was created by an established account - perhaps the sockmaster has revealed himself? Interested in your thoughts, Xenophrenic (talk) 18:09, 7 June 2017 (UTC)

It could be a rare slip-up from a careful sockmaster, but the paragraph was on DNC since June 3 so a clueless copypaste seems more likely. Thanks, Prolog (talk) 19:56, 7 June 2017 (UTC)

You may be right. But I find the same-day appearance of the IP at the new article a bit harder to explain, and I note edits to political controversies and court cases in the registered user's history. I'll keep an eye on it and maybe do more in-depth checking eventually. Thanks for your input. Regards, Xenophrenic (talk) 21:59, 7 June 2017 (UTC)

I have blocked 173.67.158.0/23 and 173.67.160.0/21 for a month. There's almost no collateral damage so these ranges can be easily reblocked if necessary. Prolog (talk) 20:04, 17 June 2017 (UTC)

Your Job at Misplaced Pages

Hi Prolog,

 A cursory review of your contributions to the Misplaced Pages Project indicates the vast preponderance of your effort and time is spent undoing the efforts of others.  You contribute very little, if any, original content or insight to the project's topics.  Rather, it's evident your role is best described as "Misplaced Pages Garbage Collector" without any creative license.  
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 Thanks from us.

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Scibaby

Hi,

I noticed that you commented in the Scibaby SPI, saying that the accounts were clearly socks. If you don't mind, could you please email me with your rationale? Thanks very much.

GAB 22:47, 10 August 2017 (UTC)

You've got mail. Prolog (talk) 08:30, 11 August 2017 (UTC)

As a longtime participant in this little fracas I'd be interested in comparing notes, if you're willing. Meanwhile this may be of interest. Pinging @GAB as well for any insights. Shock Brigade Harvester Boris (talk) 01:57, 12 August 2017 (UTC)

@Shock Brigade Harvester Boris: There are a few differences, but I was confident enough to block. As per WP:BEANS, I'd prefer not to say too much, though. GAB 02:27, 12 August 2017 (UTC)

I sent you an email as well. Prolog (talk) 10:19, 12 August 2017 (UTC)

Maybe another one? --JBL (talk) 00:32, 12 September 2017 (UTC)

I've seen several strong candidates in the past few weeks but haven't been keeping track. A CU to flush out sleepers would likely be profitable. Shock Brigade Harvester Boris (talk) 01:04, 12 September 2017 (UTC)

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Vandalism

12.159.162.5 (talk · contribs) and 173.163.130.185 (talk · contribs) seem to be 50.122.98.253 (talk · contribs)

∰Bellezzasolo✡ Discuss 00:34, 5 January 2018 (UTC)

Both IPs blocked. Thanks, Prolog (talk) 01:09, 5 January 2018 (UTC)

FYI

Hi, Prolog, thanks for taking care of the recreated Tobias Hübinette. A user alerted me on my page, and after taking a good look at 12Dagge's overall contributions, I've blocked indefinitely. Bishonen | talk 21:11, 6 February 2018 (UTC).

Good call. Thanks for the note, Prolog (talk) 23:00, 6 February 2018 (UTC)

Hidradenitis suppurativa

Hi Prolog. Re your deletion here. Would you object to that material on Marx being re-added? And if so, why? Many thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 14:40, 2 July 2018 (UTC)

Hey. It is entirely up to the regular editors of the page to determine whether this content is accurate and appropriate. Thanks, Prolog (talk) 14:53, 2 July 2018 (UTC)

Thanks, I'll ask there. Martinevans123 (talk) 15:20, 2 July 2018 (UTC)

Cutler

I've asked the edit filter folks to see if they can tweak their filter to catch the latest wave of Cutler spam. He's been pretty active of late, hopefully there's something they can tweak to help. Ravensfire (talk) 15:13, 31 July 2018 (UTC)

Thanks to you and Crow for your efforts. I see there's been a few hits today from 12.177.63.73, but I'm still keeping an eye on the 107.77.192.0/20 range. Prolog (talk) 05:01, 1 August 2018 (UTC)

It looks like he's keeping you quite busy. I'm going to try to locate a barnstar suitable for someone who is dealing with disruption on a scale much greater than mere random vandalism. Until I find one, please accept my written thanks. Both you and Ravensfire. Regards, Xenophrenic (talk) 23:22, 6 August 2018 (UTC)

Our mutual friend

Thanks. Was there a CU behind this? I'm curious if there were any sleepers. Would appreciate your opinion on Dan Dulsok (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) as well. Shock Brigade Harvester Boris (talk) 17:30, 15 September 2018 (UTC)

No CU behind the block and I'm not sure if getting a sleeper check is worth the effort at this time. However, I have reunited Dan with his family in the afterblock. Thanks, Prolog (talk) 03:54, 16 September 2018 (UTC)

Karter873

User Prolog, with all respect I (User Karter873) would apologize for my mischievousness on the page about Valtteri Bottas. I was just experimenting and the info came from Ferrari fans who hate him. Karter873 (talk) 05:54, 26 October 2018 (UTC)

Censorship

Your original objection was that I did not cite reliable sources. Now you are saying I did, but you don't see examples of Twitter censorship in all of them (it appears you just searched for the words censor or censorship in each reference without reading and thinking. Each of the cited articles discusses Twitter and their acts of censorship (e.g. banning/suspending users, deleting content, locking tweets, targeting loosely defined "offensive", "hate speech", "propaganda" content, etc. Following the very definition of censor (to suppress or delete as objectionable) it is clear that each article discusses examples of Twitter doing just that. If you really need me to lists the details from each article, I can do that for you, but it seems redundant at this point. Please note, just because a specific journo doesn't use the word "censor" in his/her article doesn't mean the examples mentioned aren't valid, and to think otherwise shows incredible bias on your part. I am new at this process and have followed the feedback from Misplaced Pages editors on this matter, fixing each issue or concern as they are raised, and would like your approval to add back the edit. Kmita100 (talk) 16:52, 31 October 2018 (UTC)

You clearly did not read the WP:V link I provided: "The cited source must clearly support the material as presented in the article." You also need to check out WP:OR: "Articles may not contain any new analysis or synthesis of published material that serves to reach or imply a conclusion not clearly stated by the sources themselves." And WP:SYNTH: "Do not combine material from multiple sources to reach or imply a conclusion not explicitly stated by any of the sources." If you want to claim in a Misplaced Pages article that Twitter engages in mass censorship, then you need a reliable source that says something very much like "Twitter engages in mass censorship." This is not optional. If you do not agree with the aforelinked core content policies of Misplaced Pages, you can always find a more suitable platform for your content. Prolog (talk) 18:10, 31 October 2018 (UTC)

Some follow-up questions (my last ones): 1) Just to be clear, hypothetically, if I was making an edit that stated that "Twitter engages in violent behavior" and then referenced numerous articles detailing how Twitter committed shootings, stabbings, and other assaults, but these cited sources didn't explicitly use the word "violence" or "violent" then that would NOT be good enough and the edits would be rejected because I was reaching a conclusion not clearly stated in the source. Please confirm.

2) If I detailed the specific forms of censorship in the wikipedia text to be more clear, for example "Twitter engages in mass censorship by deleting user accounts and content on a daily basis" and then referenced the source that notes that the ban 1 million accounts per day, would that be sufficient? Or should I embed the definition of "censor" in the sentence in order to show that connection more clearly? Kmita100 (talk) 20:04, 31 October 2018 (UTC)

1) Stick to what the source actually says. Not only is it more verifiable but more precise and unambiguous as well. 2) This is text-book synthesis; you are taking elements from different sources, adding your own view of the events ("mass censorship" and your choice of target article) and then combining it all into something that is actually not said by any of the sources. None of that is appropriate. In fact, this is a good example of content that is simultaneously in violation of all three core content policies. Prolog (talk) 20:18, 31 October 2018 (UTC)

Strictly sticking to the sources, how's this for a revamped edit:

Twitter has gone from bastion of free speech to global censor. As of July 2018, Twitter was deleting more than one million accounts per day, in what some called a "purge". In 2017, Twitter expanded what constitutes hateful and harmful behavior on its platform, and began enforcing stricter rules concerning it. "Hateful imagery" was hidden, with violators banned or permanently suspended. Twitter has defined hateful imagery as "logos, symbols, or images whose purpose is to promote hostility and malice against others based on their race, religion, disability, sexual orientation, or ethnicity/national origin". Twitter has also suspended accounts of high-profile users for violating their rules against "hateful conduct" and sparked a debate about double standards.. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kmita100 (talk • contribs)

The first source is an op-ed. It is reliable for the attributed opinions of its writer, but not for facts. Something like the following would be appropriate as long as the due weight clause is satisfied: Former Catalan MP Alfons López Tena criticized the criteria and algorithms Twitter employs for account suspensions, stating that it "has gone from bastion of free speech to global censor." The second source states that "the targets of the latest mass suspensions appear to be primarily bots and spam accounts" and does not call Twitter's actions censorship in any way, so it is misleading to present this after the first sentence without including the context of the "purge". It seems like a good source for Twitter or Twitter suspensions. The third one looks good to me except for the weak connection to the main article on censorship. The fourth one is probably good enough (see WP:RSP#Sources) but, again, the premise that the bans and suspensions constitute censorship is not supported by the source so the content must be placed in the appropriate article. Prolog (talk) 00:19, 1 November 2018 (UTC)

1. Tena, Alfons López. "Twitter has gone from bastion of free speech to global censor". BusinessInsider. Retrieved 2017-06-27.
2. Dellinger, AJ. "Twitter is Suspending More Than One Million Accounts Per Day in Latest Purge". Gizmodo. Retrieved 2018-07-06.
3. Lee, Dave. "Twitter's hate speech rules are expanded". BBC News. Retrieved 2017-12-18.
4. Morton, Victor. "Candace Owens mimics N.Y. Times' Sarah Jeong, gets suspended by Twitter". The Washington Times. Retrieved 2018-08-05.

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Hi, I don't know why you're saying the dailywire is an unreliable source. Out of all the online sources like vice and Vox and huffingtonpost and so on and so on and so on, what is it about the daily wire that makes it unreliable? --2001:8003:4023:D900:5CE9:A2E6:C9DC:872F (talk) 10:33, 21 November 2018 (UTC)

Hey. The site does not qualify as reliable because it does not have a reputation for fact-checking and accuracy. In fact, it has a "tendency to share stories that are taken out of context or not verified". There are plenty of reputed newspapers and other reliable sources that can be used in the article. Also, the addition of lengthy quotes from only one side of the debate creates a neutrality problem. Prolog (talk) 12:44, 21 November 2018 (UTC)

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Stop putting up an outdated picture and birthday for the page Allie Long. The picture is old and not allowed to be used because it is false advertising of player representation. This players Birthday is 1989. Stop producing false information. Usawinsgold2019 (talk) 21:47, 16 July 2019 (UTC)

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Cutler, yet again

My memory sadly failed me and I originally left a note on Ponyo's page about this, but our favorite LUNAtic has returned to Jonathan Luna. His latest diversion was pretty thoroughly smacked around by the judge so he's apparently returned to more familiar haunts where he only gets WP:RBI'd, not called "vexatious" by someone that can actually cause real-world consequences. Not the usual IP, but still geolocates to Pennsylvania. Just a heads up ... Ravensfire (talk) 22:56, 13 February 2020 (UTC)

That court docket was an entertaining read and led me to this piece about him in the Inquirer. I checked the old ranges and did not find any recent activity, but at least he remains predictable with his targets. I'll keep an eye out. Thanks for the note, Prolog (talk) 08:07, 14 February 2020 (UTC)

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Thank you! I am glad you found it helpful. Prolog (talk) 12:05, 11 March 2020 (UTC)

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From what I can see on the talk page you previously reverted edits that are quite similar to what has recently been readded to the article. I would appreciate if you could take a look. -- 109.76.212.43 (talk) 18:35, 13 June 2020 (UTC)

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If you need a good laugh (Cutler LTA fun stuff!)

He popped up again today 107.77.202.149 with the usual nonsense, but mentioned a new case. I'm bored, so look at his filings there on CourtListener. His proposed judgement (scroll to page 47) is just fantastic!

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Please check my reply on my talk page. I'm writing here as I'm not sure if you saw it. Michael60634 (talk) 04:48, 12 October 2022 (UTC)

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I was unaware of discretionary sanctions in that area. Now that I am, please look at the behaviour of the edtorwho created those articles 🇺🇦 Fiddle Faddle 🇺🇦 18:36, 13 October 2022 (UTC)

Hey. The user's other edits were a bit problematic too, but at least they've got some pointers on their user talk now. Thanks, Prolog (talk) 19:16, 13 October 2022 (UTC)

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72.142.100.254 has requested an unblock via UTRS appeal #66710. As you may not have access to UTRS, I'll note they claim this is a school. That seems plausible and so I'd like to modify the block to be anon-only (account creation blocked) and point them to WP:ACC to get an account. Would you be okay with that? -- Yamla (talk) 10:21, 14 December 2022 (UTC)

Sure, that seems sensible. Thanks, Prolog (talk) 10:46, 14 December 2022 (UTC)

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Why did you remove my comments on the talk page for RevDig? ECP applies to the main article only, no? I don't think we should be silencing talk page discussion.LegalSmeagolian (talk) 19:01, 21 February 2023 (UTC)

Hey. Sorry, but as noted on WP:GS/RUSUKR: "non-extended-confirmed editors may not make edits to internal project discussions related to the topic area, even within the "Talk:" namespace. Internal project discussions include, but are not limited to, Articles for deletion nominations, WikiProjects, requests for comment, requested moves, and noticeboard discussions." Prolog (talk) 19:07, 21 February 2023 (UTC)

Ah ok. I guess I'll just have to re-raise the issue after I make 500 edits! thanks. LegalSmeagolian (talk) 19:08, 21 February 2023 (UTC)

FYI @Prolog You may need to delete my NPOV noticeboard discussion on the same topic. LegalSmeagolian (talk) 19:09, 21 February 2023 (UTC)

There were no replies, so I removed it. You are of course very welcome to create an RM later on. Thanks, Prolog (talk) 19:19, 21 February 2023 (UTC)

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if it is possible, can you put the Nord Stream articles (Nord Stream, Nord Stream 1, and Nord Stream 2) under the sanctions? As you have already seen, the contentious edits are making their way to the gas pipe articles, probably since the gas leak article is under ECP. – robertsky (talk) 17:10, 23 February 2023 (UTC)

Hey. I didn't expect the spillover. Those articles could be protected too. I'll have to personally decline, however, because I made a number of edits to Hersh's article and the incoming edits to these pages mostly seem to revolve around his claims. Note that the articles are covered by the sanctions even if there is currently no ECP in place. Prolog (talk) 19:55, 23 February 2023 (UTC)

Controversies of the International legion

what does "failed verification" mean? Salfanto (talk) 11:45, 4 April 2023 (UTC)

The source you cited failed to support the content added to the article. Prolog (talk) 13:46, 4 April 2023 (UTC)

Your indefinite ECP of Sea of Azov

Hi! I was wondering about your indefinite ECP of Sea of Azov back on January 30 in response to an IP vandal persistently edit-warring (which was promptly and effectively responded to by editors).

Semi-protection would seem to have been sufficiently adequate to prevent such an incident, no? ECP massively limits the ability of editors to make constructive contributions to an article that is not primarily about the sanctioned topic.

Just because such a drastic action is fully authorized by WP:RUSUKR doesn’t mean it’s a good idea.

Can you elaborate on your rationale for taking this action?

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Hey. I have semi'd in some cases, such as with new or low-traffic articles and current events, but ECP is the standard and the incoming edits were mostly about the war. Prolog (talk) 11:32, 24 April 2023 (UTC)

Yes, looking through the edit history, there were high levels of IP vandalism, but also useful small contributions.

EC still seems a bit overkill IMHO. RadioactiveBoulevardier (talk) 19:23, 26 April 2023 (UTC)

Revolution of what?

My note on that talk page is just a warning that the Misplaced Pages NPOV mandatory rule is heavily violated. Don't teach me about wrongs and rights. 109.93.141.138 (talk) 07:56, 9 May 2023 (UTC)

Your erasure of my edit

Why? Jacobin is on the approved Misplaced Pages source list. Chances last a finite time (talk) 15:29, 23 May 2023 (UTC)

Nord Stream 2

Can you please show me where the restored material was already "properly covered in the body"? Thanks, RadioactiveBoulevardier (talk) 04:11, 18 September 2023 (UTC)

The exchange is from the Biden-Scholz press conference covered at Nord Stream 2#Stance of Germany and role of the SPD. Thanks, Prolog (talk) 04:54, 18 September 2023 (UTC)

Makes sense. I agree that the body would have been a better place for the quote that I restored.

Whether a full quote or an oblique reference would be better there is something else, but I’m half asleep at the moment so probably best not to do anything like that in a CT area until I’m well rested and have clearer judgment. Cheers, RadioactiveBoulevardier (talk) 07:08, 19 September 2023 (UTC)

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