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| Today I am in Poznan. Everywhere people are flying the red-and-white Polish colours, the yellow-and-white, which I assume is the Papal flag, and the pale-blue-and-white. What is this? ] (]) 18:42, 24 May 2008 (UTC) | |||
| : Probably the city colours, see . - ] (]) 19:02, 24 May 2008 (UTC) | |||
| Yes I have seen that flag, but the one people are flying from their apartments is a plain pale-blue-and-white bi-colour, and not that shade of blue. ] (]) 19:21, 24 May 2008 (UTC) | |||
| ::Thosa are not city colours. You're just visiting Poznań during ] feast (or in its ]). Red&white are ]s, yellow&white are papal flag and white&blue are ] flags ] <small>]</small> 19:35, 24 May 2008 (UTC) P.S. Flag of Poznań is used very rare. It looks like that ]. You can also occasionaly see older version (coat of arms are encircled by gold line, and sheat is blue, not white) ] <small>]</small> 19:38, 24 May 2008 (UTC) | |||
| :::Dziękuję, Radomil. ] (]) 19:40, 24 May 2008 (UTC) | |||
| ::::How long are you in Poznan for, Mr T? Anyone up for an impromptu (and probably extremely small) wikigathering?--] (]) 19:58, 24 May 2008 (UTC) | |||
| It would have to be tomorrow morning. I'm on a lunch-time train to Wroclaw. ] (]) 20:00, 24 May 2008 (UTC) | |||
| Well, the big Polish wikipedian gathering is just finishing in Rabka ().--<sub><span style="border:1px solid #228B22;padding:1px;">]|]</span></sub> 20:05, 24 May 2008 (UTC) | |||
| :Wrong side of Poland for us, unfortunately. Name a time and place, Mr T; I'll be there, maybe Radomil will join us?--] (]) 20:09, 24 May 2008 (UTC) | |||
| And it will have to be conducted in English, since my Polish vocabulary has expanded from nil to about six words since I have been here. I'm staying at the Polonez. You're welcome to join me for morning tea. ] (]) 20:12, 24 May 2008 (UTC) | |||
| :Thanks, I shall. Any particular time or means of recognition?--] (]) 20:17, 24 May 2008 (UTC) | |||
| For Kotniski. I'll be in Warsaw probably in August, so we can meet. If you'd be near Silesia we can always meet in Cieszyn. - ] (]) 20:19, 24 May 2008 (UTC) | |||
| :I tend to be in Katowice more often than Warsaw, so maybe see you in Cieszyn some time.--] (]) 20:25, 24 May 2008 (UTC) | |||
| ::Great, let me know when you'll plan to visit Cieszyn. - ] (]) 20:39, 24 May 2008 (UTC) | |||
| The cafe is on floor A (between 1 and 2). How does 10.30 suit you? ] (]) 20:21, 24 May 2008 (UTC) | |||
| :See you tomorrow then. Others are doubtless welcome too.--] (]) 20:25, 24 May 2008 (UTC) | |||
| I'll be the guy in black reading a big book about World War II. ] (]) 20:33, 24 May 2008 (UTC) | |||
| I'm leaving Poznań on 10:15 and I'll be back after 17:00, so not this time... ] <small>]</small> 20:54, 24 May 2008 (UTC) | |||
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| == Interesting list of missing Poland-related articles == | |||
| Please see ].--<sub><span style="border:1px solid #228B22;padding:1px;">]|]</span></sub> 22:33, 26 May 2008 (UTC) | |||
| :Thank you Piotrus for the notice, the list is indeed interesting. If only I had more time to write. Greetings. ] (]) 04:23, 30 May 2008 (UTC) | |||
| == Italy == | |||
| Why is Italy called "Włochy" in Polish? What is the derivation of this word? ] (]) 20:49, 30 May 2008 (UTC) (now in Krakow) | |||
| : suggests relation to ]. It is confirmed by and . I am sure somebody else can help and translate more. PS. I will be briefly in Poznań on late Saturday/early Sunday (family trip).--<sub><span style="border:1px solid #228B22;padding:1px;">]|]</span></sub> 21:10, 30 May 2008 (UTC) | |||
| ::If that's a proposal for another of the fast-becoming-traditional Poznań minigatherings, I'll be free from about midday on Sunday.--] (]) 15:02, 31 May 2008 (UTC) | |||
| :::Probably that's not going to work. On Sat evening if anybody's in the area, you can try hotel Royal (Marcina 71?) and ask for room 21. -- Piotrus on IP <small>—Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 18:26, 31 May 2008 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> | |||
| Thanks for that. Italy is nowhere near Wallachia, but applying the w/g rule gives Gallachia, suggesting that the Poles (as Slavs) saw Italy as part of the Latin or Gallic world, related to the French (although the French use "Galles" to refer to Celts, not Latins). I suppose that makes sense. I still can't find out why the Czechs call Austria "Rakousko". ] (]) 05:23, 1 June 2008 (UTC) | |||
| : Well, there is a castle on the historical borders of Austria and Czech lands, it is nowadays named ]. However, it was called back then ''Ratgoz'' and Bohemian merchants screwed up its name to ''Rakús'' or ''Rakous'', and here we go, then they named after it surrounding lands and later on whole land. - ] (]) 08:16, 1 June 2008 (UTC) | |||
| Today I leave Poland after three very enjoyable weeks and far too many pirogi. Jenkuye to all. ] (]) 05:23, 1 June 2008 (UTC) | |||
| :Also in old-Polsih simmilar name was used. Even today, Polish queen, ], is known as "Elżbieta Rakuszanka" (or as "mother of kings") ] <small>]</small> 15:13, 1 June 2008 (UTC) | |||
| == ] == | |||
| Lately I was busy moving some of the images from ] to Commons. It seems like the remaining 100 images left do not have any sources to support their claim that they were published in Poland in years 1926-1994, since all that had it are already moved. I would propose changing them to FairUse template and to retire PD-Polish template. --] (]) 03:36, 3 June 2008 (UTC) | |||
| == Third faction in the ] article? == | |||
| I have read about withdrawing Polish units in 1939 being ]ed by Ukrainian insurgents (possibly ]) does anybody know how widespread and notable those attacks were? Should we add OUN to the Soviet invasion of Poland (1939) Military Conflict Infobox? ] (]) 09:53, 3 June 2008 (UTC) | |||
| == Polish witch trials == | |||
| Hello! I'm interested in witch trials, and think that every country should be represented in the subject. As for Poland, it's hard to find anything about this on the net. If there is anyone here interested in the subject, I think it would be most interesting to have a Polish with trial represented here on wikipedia. Most countrys are alredy represented. I have heard about only two cases; two old women burned in 1793, and Barbara Zdunk, executed in 1811. These where mentioned on the net with very few words. Does anyone here know more about these cases? or any other? I would be grateful just for a stub or a name to google. --] (]) 11:28, 4 June 2008 (UTC) | |||
| :Please see my reply and bibliography ]; if somebody would like to write an article - I am a bit busy now - it would be appreciated.--<sub><span style="border:1px solid #228B22;padding:1px;">]|]</span></sub> 18:59, 4 June 2008 (UTC) | |||
| == Culture.pl database (for linking) == | |||
| Hello, | |||
| In recent days I've made a new template on polish Misplaced Pages for linking to articles published by culture.pl service (]). This is rich and interesting source on polish culture and the articles there are also available in few other languages including english, so I thought you may be interested in creating english version of the template (probably as "template:culture.pl") and using it in appropriate places. -- ] (]) 15:07, 6 June 2008 (UTC) | |||
| :Thanks for the update. There are linking to culture.pl from en wikipedia.--<sub><span style="border:1px solid #228B22;padding:1px;">]|]</span></sub> 15:16, 6 June 2008 (UTC) | |||
| == ]? == | |||
| Jak to jest po polsku - bo nie ma interwiki do pl wikipedii? --<sub><span style="border:1px solid #228B22;padding:1px;">]|]</span></sub> 15:14, 6 June 2008 (UTC) | |||
| :Może Pomorze Gdańskie po prostu? Pomerelia seems to be equivalent to ], which in turn links to ]; and at ] it gives Pommerellen as the German equivalent.--] (]) 17:43, 6 June 2008 (UTC) | |||
| ::Or Pomorze Wschodnie, see ]. I don't have full confidence in interwikis, or unreferenced Polish Misplaced Pages articles...--<sub><span style="border:1px solid #228B22;padding:1px;">]|]</span></sub> 18:21, 6 June 2008 (UTC) | |||
| :::Somebody who seems to know what he's talking about suggests it's either Pomorze Gdańskie or Prusy Królewskie. The former seems more accurate to me. Anyway, I don't think we're going to find anything better.--] (]) 18:50, 6 June 2008 (UTC) | |||
| == Russia fought the Battle of Grunwald... == | |||
| User Irpen claims Russia fought at the Battle of Grunwald. Last time I heard this was during Soviet occupation and I recall it was widely fabricated myth by Soviet propaganda. Can anybody look into this. Misplaced Pages should be free from Soviet propaganda in my personal view. Although it can mentioned how Soviet histography tried to present Russians as leading the battle. | |||
| --] (]) 00:22, 7 June 2008 (UTC) | |||
| :Molobo, you should really read books on the subject rather than try to recruit users to help you "outrevert". On a side note, that such frequent use of this board is still being tolerated does not contribute to the improvement of the editing climate here but this is up to its main participants, I guess. --] 00:55, 7 June 2008 (UTC) | |||
| :Irpen, you shouldn't consider every request for improvement of an article to be 'outreverting'. Please have good faith and relax from Misplaced Pages if it stresses you. I am asking fellow editors to fill out the article for vital information about Soviet propaganda. With so many great minds here interested in Soviet occupation of Poland I won't be surprised if many sources will be presented ! Best regards to you Irpen. | |||
| --] (]) 01:01, 7 June 2008 (UTC) | |||
| == ] == | |||
| Well, I was amazed by this being a surprise and thought for a moment that verifying of this info indeed requires a visit to the library for some out of print book or something. But apparently, the most recent book specifically devoted to the subject (by ], "Tannenberg 1410: Disaster for the Teutonic Knights", ISBN 9781841765617, published by Osprey) says right on its cover: | |||
| :''"In June 1410 King Wladislaw Jagiello of Poland invaded the Order’s territory with a powerful allied army including all the enemies of the Teutonic Knights – Poles, Lithuanians, Russians, Bohemians, Hungarians, Tartars and Cossacks."'' | |||
| So much of Soviet propaganda, HTH, --] 01:05, 7 June 2008 (UTC) | |||
| I have proposed that this article be deleted. I was not sure which process to follow, ], or ]. Any comments would be welcome. Thanks, ] (]) 05:27, 15 September 2024 (UTC) | |||
| A usual Western generalisation towards Ruthanians under Lithuanian vassalisation. Anyway care to explain why the text where nothing is about Novgorod was used by you to source claim that Novgorod took place in the battle ? I see nothing of the sorts in the text provided. As to Ruthanians-no doubt some were in Polish-Lithuanian army just like Hungarians and Bohemians-yet we do not name Czech Republic or Hungary as part of the battle.--] (]) 01:11, 7 June 2008 (UTC) | |||
| :Molobo, you are in no position to argue with Turnbull. But I will add a quote of another Soviet propagandist, ''Johann von Posilge'' who in 1418(!) wrote about the gathering of ''"Tartars, Russians, Lithuanians and Samogitians against Christendom"'' by Jogaila. '''H'''ope '''t'''his '''h'''elps. --] 01:19, 7 June 2008 (UTC) | |||
| ::You are using a source from 1418 ? It's even worse then your usage of XIX century sources from Imperial Russia, i'm afraid. Of course the sources claims are complete false since Jagiełło was Catholic ruler of Catholic country. And of course I doubt dear Johann wrote in English.--] (]) 01:21, 7 June 2008 (UTC) | |||
| == Dividing ] into two or three articles == | |||
| ::No Molobo, I am quoting the Chronicler ''through'' the modern source given above. Turnbull quotes Posilge, I simply reproduced the quote from Turnbull's book. Speaking of Novgorod, the Turnbull specifically noted the Lithuanian-Pskov-Novgorod alliance. --] 01:28, 7 June 2008 (UTC) | |||
| :::So you are using secondery source and showing it as primary ? Sorry but that doesn't seem very honest thing to do. Also outdated middle ages documents shouldn't be presented as source of undisputable facts. As to claim Grunwald was won by Pskov-Novgorod alliance, that is indeed very interesting Irpen, although my history teacher in the 80s also read similar passages from soviet-dictated history books. Of course laughing together with the class(shows how weak the Soviet stronghold was in reality in occupied countries btw).--] (]) 01:33, 7 June 2008 (UTC) | |||
| Hi, I wrote more in detail about my proposal in the ], but in short, the name ] throughout history was used fir three different stations, one in the 1930s/1940s, one in 1940s–1990s, and current one built in 2021. As such, I want to propose to creating separate articles for them.] (]) 01:01, 27 September 2024 (UTC) | |||
| Molobo, I did not quote the source (chronicle) in the article. When I do, I always note the intermediate source, if there is any, in the references section. This was a talk page discussion. I gave the name of the secondary source, a book, above. You now argue with Posilge? Good luck. Now, I am happy to hear about your teachers. Unfortunately, to this date you refused to name books you read on the subject. I asked you before and received no answer. Anyway, this is a moot point. Removal of sourced info, spinning it in various ways and trying to recruit editors for the edit war is what concerns me most in your actions. --] 01:37, 7 June 2008 (UTC) | |||
| == Renaming the ] to Democratic Party (Poland) == | |||
| Removing false information, removing sources that say nothing about what they should source and asking fellow editors to improve the article is nothing to be concerned about. Using documents from 1418 as base for Misplaced Pages articles is of course something to worry about, as is usage of XIX century history books published in Imperial Russia as source for Misplaced Pages articles.--] (]) 01:41, 7 June 2008 (UTC) | |||
| Hi, I belive that the ] should be renamed to the "Democratic Party (Poland)". I think it would be a better translation of the name, and that current translation is wrong. Firstly, "alliance" means "sojusz", and not "stronictwo", which would be just "party". Word stronictwo, literally means 'a side of something', or 'a part of something', eg, a party. Futhermore, Polish title is in adjective form, so even "Democratic Alliance" would be more correct in this case. As such, "Alliance of Democrats" would rather be translation of "Sojusz Domokratów", than "Stronictwo Demokratyczne. What do you think? ] (]) 20:07, 18 October 2024 (UTC) | |||
| :For crying out loud, Molobo. 1418 source was not used as "base for WP articles." It was not added to the article. I quoted it on the talk to demonstrate you the sensibility of your claim about Soviet propaganda (Soviet took the time machine and wrote a Prussian Chronicle.) More, I quoted a book (a modern one) published by the most respectable publisher. More, the book sources exactly what it is used to reference. --] 01:47, 7 June 2008 (UTC) | |||
| == Any people intrested in writing about WW2 in Warsaw, who would like to collaborate? == | |||
| Guys, this is not a place for this discussion. Please take it to ].--<sub><span style="border:1px solid #228B22;padding:1px;">]|]</span></sub> 15:17, 8 June 2008 (UTC) | |||
| :I fully agree with raising the issues one has with articles at their talks. And this is the problem of this board which persists for years. Several editors (I spare the names) come here and help nothing but inflaming matters in the articles in question. There was a that was thankfully . Starting the threads like this one above are not functionally different from that former box. To add an insult to an injury, no only the OP called for the article's attention, he names names. | |||
| Hi, I like writing Warsaw-related articles, such as about its neighbourhoods and buildings. But, I'm not the best when it comes to writing about WW2, and it's kinda a big topic when it comes to this city. So, I thought maybe there would be people with better expertise on the WW2 in Warsaw, who would like to collaborate with me. For example, I would write most of the article about some neighbourhood, and you would help me cover the revenant WW2 events in the history section etc? Idk, I just thought I could try to ask here. Feel free to write to me if you are interested :) ] (]) 21:13, 2 November 2024 (UTC) | |||
| :I don't see other portal's notice boards so extensively used this way. Let's stop it here as well to help improve the editing climate. --] 20:09, 8 June 2008 (UTC) | |||
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| ] There is a requested move discussion at ] that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. —usernamekiran ] 21:31, 13 November 2024 (UTC) | |||
| You might be interested in this afd. ] (]) 14:43, 8 June 2008 (UTC) | |||
| :If it is relevant, please list in in ] and related sorts.--<sub><span style="border:1px solid #228B22;padding:1px;">]|]</span></sub> 15:16, 8 June 2008 (UTC) | |||
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I have proposed that this article be deleted. I was not sure which process to follow, this one, or WP:AFD. Any comments would be welcome. Thanks, Kiwipete (talk) 05:27, 15 September 2024 (UTC)
Dividing Warszawa Główna railway station into two or three articles
Hi, I wrote more in detail about my proposal in the article talk page, but in short, the name Warszawa Główna railway station throughout history was used fir three different stations, one in the 1930s/1940s, one in 1940s–1990s, and current one built in 2021. As such, I want to propose to creating separate articles for them.Artemis Andromeda (talk) 01:01, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
Renaming the Alliance of Democrats (Poland) to Democratic Party (Poland)
Hi, I belive that the Alliance of Democrats (Poland) should be renamed to the "Democratic Party (Poland)". I think it would be a better translation of the name, and that current translation is wrong. Firstly, "alliance" means "sojusz", and not "stronictwo", which would be just "party". Word stronictwo, literally means 'a side of something', or 'a part of something', eg, a party. Futhermore, Polish title is in adjective form, so even "Democratic Alliance" would be more correct in this case. As such, "Alliance of Democrats" would rather be translation of "Sojusz Domokratów", than "Stronictwo Demokratyczne. What do you think? Artemis Andromeda (talk) 20:07, 18 October 2024 (UTC)
Any people intrested in writing about WW2 in Warsaw, who would like to collaborate?
Hi, I like writing Warsaw-related articles, such as about its neighbourhoods and buildings. But, I'm not the best when it comes to writing about WW2, and it's kinda a big topic when it comes to this city. So, I thought maybe there would be people with better expertise on the WW2 in Warsaw, who would like to collaborate with me. For example, I would write most of the article about some neighbourhood, and you would help me cover the revenant WW2 events in the history section etc? Idk, I just thought I could try to ask here. Feel free to write to me if you are interested :) Artemis Andromeda (talk) 21:13, 2 November 2024 (UTC)
Requested move at Talk:Stadion Miejski (Białystok)#Requested move 5 November 2024
There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Stadion Miejski (Białystok)#Requested move 5 November 2024 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. —usernamekiran (talk) 21:31, 13 November 2024 (UTC)
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