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| Putting an entry about computer-game on the main page demeans the standing of this encyclopedia. <small>—Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 19:10, 19 June 2008 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> | |||
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| :Here we go again. <small><font color="AE1C28">]</font><font color="#21468B">]</font> • 2008-06-19 19:48</small> | |||
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| :Read ] then stop complaining. Computer and video games (note no hyphen) do not demean anything, least of all this encyclopedia. —]∴ ''']]]''' 20:04, 19 June 2008 (UTC) | |||
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| :It could be said that complaining about the recognition of a well written comprehensively encyclopaedic article belies your lack of effort in improving articles of a non video game-esque nature. ] (]) 22:56, 19 June 2008 (UTC) | |||
| I would expect the main page of the encyclopedia to prominently feature both a table of contents and a search feature. This page has a lot of trivia, which is a nice secondary function, but no longer seems to serve its primary functions very well. It does have a search feature, but it's a small icon up at the top in a bar of icons, rather than being front and center and already open with a box to type in words (in the style of a search engine, like ). | |||
| :: I don't mean to support the view that video games shouldn't be on the main page but we don't have to bite the newcomer's head off either. ] (]) 23:06, 19 June 2008 (UTC) | |||
| :::]... ] (]) 06:24, 20 June 2008 (UTC) | |||
| :::: What newbie? ] has been around since September 2007! --] (]) 07:57, 20 June 2008 (UTC) | |||
| :::::You can't tell for sure. IP addresses can be shared, or might change. The person who wrote the message above might not be the same as the person who edited in September. ] (]-]) 11:45, 20 June 2008 (UTC) | |||
| :::::: Right. Don't assume anons to be anybody. (S)he may be a rogue admin, which is not likely to be delicious. --] (]) 22:04, 21 June 2008 (UTC) | |||
| :Should've went with the no pictures argument. It would've trolled better.--] (]) 01:54, 20 June 2008 (UTC) | |||
| :Hopefully concerns like this don't go into picking the articles to hit the front page. ] (]) 01:55, 22 June 2008 (UTC) | |||
| == Main page? == | |||
| What is ''main'' about this page? Should it not be called the '''Front page''' or '''Cover page''' instead?--] (]) 00:37, 22 June 2008 (UTC) | |||
| : Not sure if "Front" and "Cover" are any better. The page is not in front of nor covering anything, besides what's inside your monitor. --] (]) 02:04, 22 June 2008 (UTC) | |||
| ::A load of electronic bits I think!--] (]) 16:57, 22 June 2008 (UTC) | |||
| :] would cause a lot of ] issues with ], and ]. ''']<font color="darkgreen">]</font>''' 19:03, 22 June 2008 (UTC) | |||
| Maybe "]"? --'''] ] ]''' 09:58, 25 June 2008 (UTC) | |||
| :Wasn't there some talk of moving it out of the ] entirely? I can't find it under perenniel proposals. ] (]) 14:41, 25 June 2008 (UTC) | |||
| ::Its never really been put forward as a serious proposal, but there has been many, many, short discussions on the topic, the three major ones that occured are in ], ] and ]. | |||
| ::All this is easily found in the information box at the top of the page btw :) ]] <small><sup>]</sup></small>/<small><sub>]</sub></small> 14:51, 25 June 2008 (UTC) :) | |||
| == Judy Garland == | |||
| The years in the blurb should be formatted "(1922–1969)" without spaces, and without linksper ]. ] (]) 01:16, 22 June 2008 (UTC) | |||
| :Done. --- ] 01:27, 22 June 2008 (UTC) | |||
| ::For that matter, I cannot remember the last time that an individual's years of birth and death were included on the main page. Should these be included? It doesn't matter eitherway, I'm just curious as to why we have chosen to do it this time. ]] 01:42, 22 June 2008 (UTC) | |||
| :::I believe they were added in response to ]. ] (]) 01:47, 22 June 2008 (UTC) | |||
| ::::Interesting, thank you very much for directing me to that link, Nufy8. So is this the "done thing" from now on, birthyear (and deathyear if appropriate) included in a main page featured article biography? It would be good to have consistency eitherway, though I have no opinion as to which would be better. ]] 01:52, 22 June 2008 (UTC) | |||
| :::::Looks like ] (the FA Director) will probably be including DOB and DOD in all future biography blurbs. ] (]) 03:27, 22 June 2008 (UTC) | |||
| :::We had a recent discussion, and it seems Raul has agreed that the dates are a valuable addition ] ] 17:43, 22 June 2008 (UTC) | |||
| == RFC at TFA/R == | |||
| See ], request to unprotect the TFA blurbs and let the community choose them. ] (]) 21:15, 23 June 2008 (UTC) | |||
| :There is also an ] to keep the blurbs protected, but to open TFA requests to the community in a more structured way... as overseen by a TFA director. ] (]) 22:16, 23 June 2008 (UTC) | |||
| == Ice on Mars presentation in front page == | |||
| It's a bit weird we visibly link to ], but the only link to ] (which is important enough it's linked to from every page on the site) is hidden behind the pancake menu icon in the upper left. We do have templates like ] that could be used directly on this page as a better gateway to actual articles, for those that are curious but don't have any particular query in mind or are looking for inspiration. ] (]) 20:26, 13 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
| That's not strictly Main Page material but it is related to its presentation. First, it strikes me that it's slightly hard to find which is the main article of the sentence. Is it Mars or is it Phoenix. Since I've been using wikipedia for some time, it's obviously not Mars, that'd be an article on it. Perhaps it needs to be somehow more prominently shown. Secondly, shouldn't the main article about it be about a mission finding ice on Mars? It's an article about a craft. --] (]) 23:41, 24 June 2008 (UTC) | |||
| : For ITN, the link in boldface should be the "main" article. That's the "updated" wikipage, per ITN rules. If the bolded link doesn't lead to an article with details of the story highlighted on ITN, please consider posting a complaint at ] or ]. --] (]) 01:48, 25 June 2008 (UTC) | |||
| :Agree about the trivia, but remember opinions here come from the trivia writers. Last time I looked at portal usage statistics, it looks like a few people click to see what they are, and most of them don't click anything further. ] (]) 03:55, 14 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
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| :This appears to be an objection to the ], not the contents of ] itself. The default skins on desktop and mobile both have a large search box or icon right at the top of every page. The desktop skin also has a link to ] in the menu shown on every single page. If you don't like the way that requires opening the menu before that link is visible, I suggest you bring it up on an appropriate talk page for the skin (perhaps ]) or at the ]. ] ] 14:09, 14 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
| Hi, I meant to do this earlier, but was caught up with dealing with a load of other things. Anyway, I semi-protected this talk page due a sockpuppetry attack that spilled over from another article. This note is to inform people of that protection, and that since the protection is set to indefinite, any admin may choose to set the protection back to move=sysop after a few hours if they wish, though I do plan to lift my own protection of the page later anyway. Thanks. ] 22:41, 25 June 2008 (UTC) | |||
| ::Yes, I'm objecting to the fact that the primary functions of the main page are hidden in a menu and in an icon rather than being directly on - if not the most prominent things on - the page. | |||
| ::Wouldn't changing the skin change ''all'' pages? That seems like the wrong answer, since it wouldn't make sense to put the Contents listing on every page, nor would it make sense to have an open search bar on every page. Unlike the main page, I would expect the primary means of navigation to be clicking on links to related articles, as opposed to browsing through topics. (Search is sort of intermediate on those pages, so an icon seems like a good compromise.) -- ] (]) 21:52, 14 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
| ::I see no reason why we can't have in the top box "Welcome to Misplaced Pages" a visually predominant search bar. Doesn't touch the skin. ] (]) 22:31, 14 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
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I would expect the main page of the encyclopedia to prominently feature both a table of contents and a search feature. This page has a lot of trivia, which is a nice secondary function, but no longer seems to serve its primary functions very well. It does have a search feature, but it's a small icon up at the top in a bar of icons, rather than being front and center and already open with a box to type in words (in the style of a search engine, like ).
It's a bit weird we visibly link to Misplaced Pages:Contents/Portals, but the only link to Misplaced Pages:Contents (which is important enough it's linked to from every page on the site) is hidden behind the pancake menu icon in the upper left. We do have templates like Misplaced Pages:Contents/TOC navbar that could be used directly on this page as a better gateway to actual articles, for those that are curious but don't have any particular query in mind or are looking for inspiration. Beland (talk) 20:26, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
- Agree about the trivia, but remember opinions here come from the trivia writers. Last time I looked at portal usage statistics, it looks like a few people click to see what they are, and most of them don't click anything further. Art LaPella (talk) 03:55, 14 January 2025 (UTC)
- This appears to be an objection to the WP:SKIN, not the contents of Main Page itself. The default skins on desktop and mobile both have a large search box or icon right at the top of every page. The desktop skin also has a link to Misplaced Pages:Contents in the menu shown on every single page. If you don't like the way that requires opening the menu before that link is visible, I suggest you bring it up on an appropriate talk page for the skin (perhaps Misplaced Pages talk:Vector 2022) or at the village pump. Modest Genius 14:09, 14 January 2025 (UTC)
- Yes, I'm objecting to the fact that the primary functions of the main page are hidden in a menu and in an icon rather than being directly on - if not the most prominent things on - the page.
- Wouldn't changing the skin change all pages? That seems like the wrong answer, since it wouldn't make sense to put the Contents listing on every page, nor would it make sense to have an open search bar on every page. Unlike the main page, I would expect the primary means of navigation to be clicking on links to related articles, as opposed to browsing through topics. (Search is sort of intermediate on those pages, so an icon seems like a good compromise.) -- Beland (talk) 21:52, 14 January 2025 (UTC)
- I see no reason why we can't have in the top box "Welcome to Misplaced Pages" a visually predominant search bar. Doesn't touch the skin. Masem (t) 22:31, 14 January 2025 (UTC)