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	== Template:Southslavlang ==		== Free Blowjobs ==
			Now that I have your attention, how are you? ] 03:17, 28 June 2008 (UTC)
	Hi! It seems that there is some misunderstanding about ]. I was separated the Torlak dialects and Našinski as a Transitional between Central and Eastern languages and dialects, but you erased it. Obviously you are agree with the assert that these dialects are transitional between Central and Eastern group, because you express this with a note, but you don't want to express this fact in the template as a separate section. At the same time you just erased my note about Banat Bulgarian alphabet, based on ]. Do you have some disareemnet of principle? Maybe it is really some misunderstanding? Regards, --] (]) 13:47, 23 December 2007 (UTC)
			:Dammit I really got excited for a second ;). I'm fine as usual, although a bit busier than I used to be. You? ''']]''' 03:27, 28 June 2008 (UTC)
	:I changed it only because you are making the template too wide. You'll see I did the same thing with my first edits to the template. When the template is too wide (coupled with long like this one) it causes an inconvenience at the actual articles. Take a look ]. The table is being compromised for the template. I used footnotes because if we create a different section for transition it doesn't express that Torlak is considered a dialect of Serbian (Central South Slavic). Also, then we have to create one for Western-Central of which Kajkavian is grouped in, even though Kajkavian is considered one of the three main dialects of Central South Slavic (along with Shtokavian and Chakavian). Either way we need to cut down on the width. I will try something now -tell me what you think.
			I'm ok. I'm going to be focusing on getting ] properly named. ] 03:48, 28 June 2008 (UTC)
	With the Banat Bulgarian alphabet, I meant to add it later but I must have forgotten. Also, I think it would be a good idea to give a table of that alphabet in the Banat Bulgarian article so people actually know just how different the alphabet is from Gaj's. Regards, ''']]''' 10:08, 24 December 2007 (UTC)
			:Have fun with that. Hopefully I can get time to improve bits of Kosovo. ''']]''' 08:07, 28 June 2008 (UTC)
	:OK! Thank you about your last edits. Now the template looks better, than I did. The differences between Gaj’s Latin alphabet (actually, present Croatian) and Banat Bulgarian are minimal (there aren't Đ, đ in Banat Bulgarian, they write the accents in many cases etc.) and It is good idea to prepare a table of Banat Bulgarian version of Gaj’s Latin alphabet.--] (]) 15:37, 24 December 2007 (UTC)
			== Re:More trolling ==
	==Karajan==
	Hy. I`ve noticed that you`ve chaged "Macedo-Romanian" to "Aromanian" in Karajan's article. I am well aware of the fact that "Macedo-Romanians" redirects to "Aromanians", but isn`t the first term the proper one. I mean, what about the Meglenites, aren`t they "Macedo-Romanians" too? ] (]) 16:15, 25 December 2007 (UTC)
			Hello, and thankyou for bringing this to my attention. Before I proceed with this, are you sure that this is the same person as someone I blocked before? <span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS,sans-serif">]]</span> 19:30, 28 June 2008 (UTC)
	:As I understand it, Meglenites are Megleno-Romanians. With the term, Macedo-Romanian, for people who don't check the links, Macedo-Romanian might be misread as ] ] (scroll over). Also, the Aromanians are found in Thessaly and Epirus in Greece, Albania and Bulgaria, not just the region of Macedonia, so it isn't really the proper one. There are no Epiro-Romanians or anything so it just leads to confusion. And I'm pretty sure Macedo-Romanian was coined by Romanians, or ] Aromanians (and was meant only to refer to Aromanians), because the people living there don't self-identify as such, and the English language world generally uses "Aromanian" or groups Aromanians and Meglenites into "Vlachs" (as opposed to Romanians).
			:Yes, I thought I had come across this person before. The behavioural pattern is exactly the same, and a checkuser shows that this is a case of abusing multiple accounts. I have extended the range block - 6 months like the rest of them. <span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS,sans-serif">]]</span> 10:41, 29 June 2008 (UTC)
	::How do you know that Karajan was an "Aromanian" Vlach, and not an "Meglenite" Vlach? And don`t most of the "Aromanian" Vlachs call themselves "Ramani" rather than "Armani"? If yes, than calling "Aromanian" some people who don`t call themselves like that is erroneous, isn`t it, just like "Macedo-Romanian" vs. "Aromanian"? Btw, how exactly do they indetify there? Are you an... I don`t know how to ask it... Vlach/Aromanian/Macedo-Romanian/etc.? ] (]) 21:35, 26 December 2007 (UTC)
			::That is rather interesting...is that saying that the IP can still edit when blocked? :S <span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS,sans-serif">]]</span> 19:21, 30 June 2008 (UTC)
	:::I can tell you that I know many of them in the diaspora. Most of them identify with the nation that they come from - Greece, Republic of Macedonia, Albania etc. but not ethnically - as in "I am from Greece, but I am not Greek". However, they tell me the indigenous (non-diaspora) don't really espouse their "Vlach-ness". Most call themselves "Armãnji", and some call themselves "Rramanji" but they are the same people. "Aromanian" is a construction based on "Romanian", yes, but it would cause more confusion to use a construct like "Rromanian". Actually a more erroneous term is "Vlachs" (Slavic "Vlasi", Greek "Vlachoi") as it refers to Aromanians and regards Meglenites as Aromanians. So the Meglenites are subject to assimilation into to three groups: Greeks, Macedonians and Aromanians. Anyway, with Karajan, his grandfather was from ], so it would be fair to assume he was Aromanian as opposed to Meglenite (see the second (ethnic) map in ]). ''']]''' 02:05, 27 December 2007 (UTC)
	==Sandbox==		== Comments ==
			I apologize for deleting that comment, it was rude of me to take a liberty of doing so; it might start a precedent. It is too late and too long to explain the snake-->terrorist notion but I can sum up all Serbian derogatory terms, "secessionist-terrorists", "muslim terrorists", "albanian terrorists", "kla terrorists", "uck terrorsits" and anything else + terrorists. A few other terms are Siptar, Shitpar, siptarski terroristi, etc. ] (]) 06:26, 30 June 2008 (UTC)
	Hi Alex, thanks for the kind words on the sandbox article. I think it's just about ready to go, but I do want a Bulgarian to look over it before posting it. I will institute the review process over the next day or so, hopefully! I'll keep you informed on how it goes! Cheers, AWN ] (]) 15:28, 27 December 2007 (UTC)
			Careful, BalkanFever is a well known terrorist. He once, and I'm not joking, terrified me. It was terrible. ] 19:24, 30 June 2008 (UTC)
	PS Loved the Balkan fever explanation! <small>—Preceding ] comment added by ] (] • ]) 15:32, 27 December 2007 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
			Are you viewing my every action? I was referring to the Sharr mountains? LOL, i wanted to see if anyone would notice. Thanks for you reverting everything. ] (]) 22:04, 30 June 2008 (UTC)
	== Blocked ==
			Not your actions, I stalk BalkanFever. ] 23:26, 30 June 2008 (UTC)
	I've had no choice but to block both you and ] for that wild revert-warring spree on ]. Block duration is 24h. ] ] 19:27, 1 January 2008 (UTC)
			==Macedonia naming dispute discussion==
	:OK. Can I still edit my user space though? I am trying to make ] a functional WikiProject with things like ], so I would like to be able to create more subpages to test out the links. Intricate templates are hard :-D. ''']]''' 02:24, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
			User:Hellasforever has my section "Articles about Greek actions against Macedonia/Macedonians due to naming issue" in the discussion section of the . The section had many articles which should have been used in the Macedonia naming dispute article. Here are some of the articles:
	::When blocked, the only page you can edit is your talk page. - ] (]) 02:25, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
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	:::Damn....Can I get permission to edit my userspace? ''']]''' 02:28, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
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	::::It is virtually impossible to allow a blocked user to edit certain pages; the WP software doesn't allow for it. The only thing you could do would be request an unblock (add '''<nowiki>{{unblock|reason}}</nowiki>''' to this page, replacing "reason" with your reason for request), but I doubt that it would be granted. - ] (]) 02:29, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
			Either undo the edit User:Hellasforever did, or repost those, or read the articles and use them in the ] appropriately. ] (]) 03:53, 3 July 2008 (UTC)
	I don't think it will either. Now to play the waiting game.....''']]''' 02:33, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
			== To all stalkers ==
	:Hmm, sorry, I wasn't online during today or I might have commented earlier. Actually, it's not so uncommon to grant early unblocks if users make a plausible commitment to stay away from the conflicts they were blocked over, if they have something else constructive to do. So, I personally would have had no objection to something like that in this case. It's a pity, as it's now a bit late - only one hour to go of the original block anyway. (If you're online, let me know and I'll unblock if you want to start right away.) ] ] 18:15, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
			I've been without internet for a few days, and it won't be back until next week. Right now I'm using a public computer, and so I'm not logged in. Hope all goes well in the Balkans (and everywhere else). BalkanFever. ] (]) 10:44, 3 July 2008 (UTC)
	::Actually I'm not usually on line at that time period - I didn't realise how long I was revert-warring for. It doesn't really matter that you didn't see the comment, you're on holiday - enjoy it :-). Now back to WP:MKD... btw, it seems most of the members of the project are there to make sure nothing gets out of hand (although I don't blame you considering what happened last time). ''']]''' 07:34, 3 January 2008 (UTC)
			:Oks, have a nice vacation :) --'''] <sup>]</sup>''' 12:46, 3 July 2008 (UTC)
			:Take it easy. (1 down, 1,999,999 to go ;) jk) ] (]) 20:49, 3 July 2008 (UTC)
			::Hehe thanks guys :). ''']]''' 11:44, 14 July 2008 (UTC)
	== Re:Англиска Википедија ==
			== Uncivility ==
	Здраво. Е-маилот го добив но како што рече не се чита. Пробав во encoding да менвам ама пак не се читаше. Ако можиш смени му го само фонтот и пак испрати го. :) --] (]) 19:38, 3 January 2008 (UTC)
			Ok, what was about? "Probably cause you suck"? And why in the world did you need to say that? You might have only left it with a note - this is not a forum or something - why do you feel the need to add such things? --'''] <sup>]</sup>''' 10:44, 16 July 2008 (UTC)
	== Tokija ==
			:It's a joke, and I'm pretty sure he does suck anyway. ''']]''' 10:53, 16 July 2008 (UTC)
			::You're pretty sure?? Are you sure you're BalkanFever and not someone else? --'''] <sup>]</sup>''' 10:54, 16 July 2008 (UTC)
			:::Actually, I'm BalkanSickness. How did you know? <small>btw continue the thing from FP's page here if you want</small> ''']]''' 11:49, 16 July 2008 (UTC)
			::::Well, I'm not sure we've got anything else to say - I mean we're not linguists and we just need to cut the political stuff from the articles (both of the political craps) and that's it. Let's wait for Fut.Perf's opinion --'''] <sup>]</sup>''' 12:06, 16 July 2008 (UTC)
			:::::Yes, and not falsify sources (I really, really, don't believe Schmeiger talks about Bulgarian). <small>BTW the plural is ''crap'' (same goes for ''shit''); it's not like Slavic :)</small> ''']]''' 12:12, 16 July 2008 (UTC)
			:::::::Not true. Observe: "BalkanFever's intellect isn't worth two shits." See? Plural! ] 12:18, 16 July 2008 (UTC)
			::::::::Well, yes, we have that, but one can't say "Beamathan should stop writing these shits", can they? ''']]''' 12:21, 16 July 2008 (UTC)
			:::::::::One could, but one would be an idiot to do so. So fine, as long as you admit I'm the man, we can agree. Agreed? Good. ] 12:54, 16 July 2008 (UTC)
			::::::::::Well, obviously. ''']]''' 07:14, 17 July 2008 (UTC)
			== Y'know ==
	An irredentist slogan? You could say that. I did some research and made an article about "]", which I think is reasonably informative. ] (]) 14:06, 4 January 2008 (UTC)
			I'd probably take 10 of ''youse guys'' over Dodona, ''any day''. ] (]) 11:43, 16 July 2008 (UTC)
	== ] ==
			:Yeah, I'd take us too ;). Seriously, he sounds like he's 10. ''']]''' 11:49, 16 July 2008 (UTC)
	Hi BalkanFever, That looks ''really'' good -- with regard to the WP format, playing around with the frames should be OK, although using <nowiki>{{colbreak}}</nowiki> may be a better way of breaking up the frames... Putting the boxhead stuff in its own frame might be another way of doing it... Let me know if I can help :) Cheers, AWN ] (]) 02:43, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
			== Welcome ==
	:Hi Alex, I will set up the MKD WP so that there is an easy way to slot the boxhead and other content in. I'll play around with and let you know when it's ready :) Hopefully won't take too long!! Среќни Новогодишни и Божиќни празници! (Which I hope means Merry Christmas and Happy New Year, for Orthodox Christmas on Monday!) Cheers, AWN ] (]) 12:33, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
	::Hi Alex, The reformatting of the MKD WP is a little more fiddly than I thought it would be! Let me know when the Boxhead and Assessment Guidelines are ready, and I will insert frames into the main MKD WP page. No hurry! Cheers, AWN ] (]) 06:47, 7 January 2008 (UTC)		Thank you, BalkanFever. Just a quick question, is the ] article intended as a joke? --] (]) 14:33, 18 July 2008 (UTC)
			:I probably should have asked ]. Either way, I plan to make a lot of changes to that article. --] (]) 14:35, 18 July 2008 (UTC)
			::He's on holiday, but go ahead, ]. ''']]''' 14:36, 18 July 2008 (UTC)
			:::] is my attempt at a rewrite with what I believe to be a much better title. Should I suggest a merge on the talk page or just go ahead and ] the Selski speech article? --] (]) 15:58, 18 July 2008 (UTC)
			::::Looks good. Personally, I would suggest "Vernacular Macedonian" as the title, since it can be written as well (as with Makedonska Iskra). All you have to do is replace the content of ] with your rewrite, and then I'll move the article. ''']]''' 16:05, 18 July 2008 (UTC)
			The term vernacular is a little too broad. There aren't really any standardized Macedonian dialects, so words like ''ојме'' will only ever appear in speech (ignoring stylistics and such). If that word is characteristic of speakers of a certain dialect and if that dialect were to be standardized and codified into a literary one, ''одиме'' would be prescribed. So, they're actually two different things and why I choose to use the title Spoken Macedonian. --] (]) 16:29, 18 July 2008 (UTC)
			:::::Fair enough. I'll ask an admin friend to merge the history now. ''']]''' 16:37, 18 July 2008 (UTC)
			==Kobra==
	:::Hi Alex, I took a look at the column-less version and... yeah... I don't know that the format works! I will try something else keeping the column format and will let you know how it goes! Should be tomorrow or Wednesday. Cheers, AWN ] (]) 12:28, 7 January 2008 (UTC)
			Why must you call me Kosov'''o'''2008? As far goat milk vs cow milk, I do have a serious answer but I think you two are joking around so I won't answer till I find out the tone of the discussion. I'm also looking to change my username from Kosov'''a'''2008 ---> Ari d'Kosova, any thoughts? ] (]) 20:12, 18 July 2008 (UTC)
	::::Hi Alex! So I have figured out how to properly frame and layout the page and am ready to include your pages on the MKD WP. Let me know when you want me to go live with the pages, and let me know which pages you want on the WP :) Am I correct in assuming that ''']''' is the only page which will go on the main MKD WP page? Also, what heading do you want on the frame -- "Assessment", "Article Assessment"? Cheers, AWN ] (]) 07:11, 9 January 2008 (UTC)
			== Re. Article merge ==
	:::::Hi Alex! A frame linking to the Assessment page is a good idea -- do you want to create a page with an intro/description, the <nowiki>{{WPMKD}}</nowiki> template and a link, and I will include the frame on the WP page? (Or, I can draft the frame.) I will be online again in a few hours. Cheers, AWN ] (]) 07:29, 9 January 2008 (UTC)
			Hello BalkanFever. I have merged the articles you requested. Respective histories merged too. I'm fine by the way, hope you're doing well. :-) Best regards, <strong>]]]</strong> 00:00, 19 July 2008 (UTC)
	::::::Hi Alex! Gosh, it looks like I really went to town on the ]! Sorry about that! I had a couple of minor grammar edits and I re-jigged the advice for new editors. I have placed the link to the assessment page further down in the intro, to encourage editors to read the intro ''before'' clicking into the Assessment area. I also think that there should be a warning on the intro page (and in the Assessment page itself) to the effect that editors should carefully consider the article before adding the template to it, as there is potential for a lot of edit-warring as a result of the template being added to some articles!!
			== Standard Macedonian ==
	::::::I have had a look through the pages you've done and I am very impressed -- you've done an excellent job!! Let me know what you think of the intro page changes and hopefully we can go live soon! Cheers, AWN ] (]) 12:58, 9 January 2008 (UTC)
			It's a little complicated and your question deserves a detailed response so I'll get back to you soon. In my opinion, both articles should be kept though they do need a lot of work. For comparison, see ] and ]. --] (]) 03:10, 19 July 2008 (UTC)
	:::::::Hi Alex! Well, it's live! I have also added the Assessment capability to the Announcements page. I think the idea about putting a 'do not add' list of articles (like Alexander the Great and Tsar Samuil) is a good one, and perhaps a section can be added onto the ] warning about the dangers of starting an edit war. But, like you said, that can be done another day! A lot of hard work (99.99% by you!) went into this capability -- you should be proud! Честитки! (''Which I hope means "congratulations"!!'') AWN ] (]) 13:41, 9 January 2008 (UTC)
			:I've just noticed that I somehow copied the intro of ] from the ] article, so I'll need to fix that too. --] (]) 03:11, 19 July 2008 (UTC)
			::It's a similar case with the Macedonian language. Unfortunately, not much has been written about the spoken language even though we all speak of the ''разговорен јазик'' and ''книжевен јазик''. --] (]) 05:25, 19 July 2008 (UTC)
			:::Do you think we should use the term ''книжевен'' or ''литературен јазик''? They are synonymous but the latter is a loanword (and also more frequently used). --] (]) 08:51, 19 July 2008 (UTC)
			::::I think listing them both is much better too considering they're both widely used. It really comes down one's linguistic politics: ''книжевност'' (]) vs ''литература'' (loan). --] (]) 09:07, 19 July 2008 (UTC)
			:::That's an easy one: telephone! All jokes aside, the Czechs and Croats should be admired for their efforts to keep their language free from foreign influence. --] (]) 09:17, 19 July 2008 (UTC)
			==Shkupi Kosova==
	::::::::Hi Alex! Thanks again for the kind words and for correcting my Macedonian! The only reason I am MK-0 is because there is no MK-(-4)! ;) Cheers, AWN ] (]) 06:49, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
			Aegean Macedonia? You probably heard of Shkupi Kosova, it extends to Struga and the majority language (I am told) is Albanian. ] (]) 14:28, 19 July 2008 (UTC)
			:よう あれ あ ふcきんg いぢおt. ''']]''' 14:30, 19 July 2008 (UTC)
	== Your request at ] ==
	Please note that a user's .js pages are always indef-full-protected to all but the user in question. ] ] 14:49, 6 January 2008 (UTC)		::هَوِ يُو هَِرد ُف كُبرَ'س ديطك؟ يت ِختِندس دون تُ يُور سمَلل ينتِستينِ، مُثِرفوطكِر! ] <sup>]</sup> 14:38, 19 July 2008 (UTC)
	:Thanks. It actually makes a lot of sense if one thinks about it. ''']]''' 14:51, 6 January 2008 (UTC)		:::O RLY? And what does it do there? ] ] 14:49, 19 July 2008 (UTC)
			::::It puts the lotion on the skin. ''']]''' 15:02, 19 July 2008 (UTC)
	== Edits in ] ==
			== About anons creating pages ==
	Hi BalkanFever, by you reproduced to the letter. Can I ask you if you did the anonymous edit, too (without being logged in)? Regards, ] (]) 02:38, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
			I'd thought it would be easier to reach you here, it's about ] discussion. Is it an automated process, like, some[REDACTED] hits, lets say, 20k articles for example, and then it's no longer a "smaller" wikipedia. Anons then have no rights to create new articles. Or can admins control this somehow. We're kinda confused here. Or maybe we're just plain dumb. :S Future perfect, if you are reading this, maybe you know something. How can we stop anon users from creating new articles? ktnxbye ] (]) 12:58, 20 July 2008 (UTC)
	:No, that edit was not mine. While I agree with the edit, I don't agree with that edit summary. ''']]''' 03:05, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
			:Responded there. ''']]''' 13:04, 20 July 2008 (UTC)
	== Talk:Macedonia naming dispute#Link to video ==
			:It's a setting you can change in a config file. See . ] ] 13:17, 20 July 2008 (UTC)
	What do you mean "it is based on the Greek word Skopia to give Skopianoi"? Is the self-identifying ] for Skopje not Скопјани? A simple Google search would beg to differ. Regardless, calling a Macedonian or Peloponnesian an "Athenian" is not the same as calling him an "idiot" or "assfucker". Surely even you can see that. ''If you want, I'll call you a Hellene. I would even call you a Macedonian if you would stop spreading crap about misuse and offense and be able to call the other side Macedonians.'' Whatever possessed you to believe that what you choose to call me is of any consequence whatsoever? ] (]) 10:20, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
			== Can you believe that shit? ==
	:You know very well what the word Скопјани is meant to refer to. And I doubt Greeks actually know the self-identifying term for people from the city. They constructed Skopianoi from the Greek word Skopia. I don't think Greeks are idiots, I merely think some Greeks are idiots if they get offended by "misuse of the name Macedonia" on the basis that it was chosen solely for the purpose of territorial and historical claims. Evlekis explained why such an idea is absurd. As for "assfucker" - it is a stronger slur than Skopjan, and I understand that. Let me try another comparison now, one term for you "Macedonians" is Pontians in the Republic of Macedonia - is that or is that not an ethnic slur? It is exactly the same as Skopjans. Anyway, I said I'd call you a Hellene because you brought up that Greeks is an exonym. ''']]''' 10:37, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
			I can't believe I got blocked. I'm probably going to have to kill myself, but first I seek revenge on those who have slighted me. <!-- This is a joke! Of course I wouldn't kill myself after getting revenge. -->] 19:18, 20 July 2008 (UTC)
			:Good to know. ''']]'''
			::I'm glad you feel good now, pity you don't think I shall seek revenge against you. ] 14:56, 21 July 2008 (UTC)
	::I was talking about Скопјани in the sense of the inhabitants of the city of Skopje, not the way Greeks use the term. Is it or is it not a self-identifying term for a significant proportion of the Republic's population? And, if so, how can it possibly be on the same level as calling me an idiot? As for your other questions, no, I wouldn't consider "Pontians" an ethnic slur, given that so many Macedonians are in fact Pontians. Гркомани and Пушкари, on the other hand, are deliberatively offensive but nothing to weep over either. If they are indeed "exactly the same" as you say, I'd be more than happy for you to call me an ''Athenian'' or ''Pontian'' if you stopped feigning such mortal offence vis-à-vis Greeks' almost ubiquitous use of ''Skopjan''. ] (]) 11:22, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
			== AN/i report about you ==
	:::It is a self-identifying term for around one quarter of the population. But "Albanian" is also a self-identifying term for one quarter of the population. If one quarter of Greeks are idiots for the reasons above, then the terms are pretty similar. Again though, I don't thinks ] are idiots. Puškari I haven't heard, and Grkomani refers only to the Slavophones - but even that by your definition is not necessarily pejorative, because there is no calque/translation for "Slavophone Greek" - Egejci comes close, but that refers to the ones with an ethnic Macedonian consiousness, i.e. Rainbow, and various diaspora individuals. ''']]''' 11:42, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
			Notification of proceedings against you at the ]. ] 15:38, 21 July 2008 (UTC)
			:Thanks :). ''']]''' 10:10, 22 July 2008 (UTC)
	::::The proportion of "idiots" is much higher than one quarter, I can assure you. Just go to Greece and find out for yourself. And I'm sure the Slavic languages are versatile enough to express a concept as simple as "Slavophone Greek". If not, try importing directly from the Greek, as in the case of "Macedonian". I think the lack of such a term stems more from a reluctance to accept the existence of such a group in the first place. ] (]) 11:57, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
			::ჰეy. ი დონ'თ ქნოw იf yოუ'რე ინთენდინგ თო cომმენთ ონ თჰის cასე ორ ნოთ, ბუთ ა wორდ ოf ადვიcე: თრy ნოთ თო cომმენთ ნო მათთერ wჰათ, ალwაyს გეც მე ოუთ ოf თროუბლე ;) Yოურ ლაcქ ოf ინთერესთ wილლ მაქე თჰე ფროcეედინგ ჰარდერ fორ თჰე "ბად გუyს". ] <sup>]</sup> 10:21, 22 July 2008 (UTC)
	:::::Then tell them to stop feigning mortal offense. And if that is your (weak) attempt at proving "Skopjan theft" for the day, go complain to the Romans, who spoke Latin, and the English, who speak Germanic. I think the presence of such a term stems from a desire for the existence of such a group - because everyone knows it's a sin to not be Greek. ''']]''' 12:13, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
			:::ქე გი ოსთავამ დო უთრე ი აქო თრება ქე რეჩამ ნეშთო. ისთო თაქა, ფოდობრო ე აქო ფიშუვამე მაქედონსქი, აქო სლუჩაჯნო ნექოჯ ზნაე და ჯა მენი აზბუქათა :). ''']]''' 10:33, 22 July 2008 (UTC)
	::::::Go tell them that for yourself. What happened to the sacrosanct right to self-determination? Or is it only the privilege of a select few? And who said anything about theft? I'm sure ''Macedonian'' existed in the Slavic languages for centuries before it had to be appropriated for a newly-conceived political project in the 1940s, to the detriment and exclusion of its original meaning. ] (]) 12:21, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
			== Provocative link that shows half of Greece occupied by FYROM ==
	:::::::The original meaning being Greeks, ''sure''. You do understand that "Makedones" could be an exonym? ''']]''' 12:33, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
			Dear Balkinfever. You have a link on your user page that leads to an image of half of Greece under the control of FYROM (not to mention a few other nations in the region are completely engulfed). I shouldn't have to remind you that such images only confirm the accuracy of Greek complaints of active irredentism by some FYROM citizens which goes against the spirit of both US/UN resolutions that condemn such acts as "propaganda".
	::::::::The original meaning being "tall men" or "highlanders", ''in Greek'', but "]" in the geographical sense by the time it passed into Slavonic. If Μακεδόνες is an exonym, then so is ''Macedonians'', as the name was transmitted to all modern languages (yes, including yours) via the Greek. No offence, but I'll take Herodotus's word over yours. Cheers. ] (]) 12:39, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
			http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c110:S.Res.300: <br />
	:::::::::That's what I meant. And words take on meaning different than the original all the time, so "Macedonian" to refer to the ethnic group is no more "detrimental" than "Macedonian" in the geogrpahical sense. ''']]''' 12:55, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
			(please add colon ':' to end of url in address bar if link fails. For some reason Misplaced Pages doesn't like URLs that end in a colon)
			By placing such links on your website you appear to be endorsing future human rights atrocities and ethnic cleansing against 2.5 million people in Greece that identify as "Macedonian" (Greek ones) but aren't ethnically slavic nor remotely relate to FYROM. (much like citizens in FYROM before the break up of Yugoslavia identified both as "Yugoslavian" and "Macedonian")
	::::::::::The crucial difference being, of course, that the circumstances under which "Macedonian" came to denote an ethnic group are not comparable to those of the earlier meanings. ''Macedonian'' came to take on a wider geographical meaning as the result of a natural process spanning several centuries, not a deliberate political act of the Cold War. ] (]) 13:37, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
			I believe Misplaced Pages guidelines of proper conduct are incompatible with such images and ask that your link be immediately removed. <small>—Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 19:58, 21 July 2008 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
	:::::::::::You are sadly mistaken. You're believing Bulgarians just because it falls in line with your position of being the "real" Macedonians. Besides, all nationalist movements are political - Modern Greek nationalism was a tool to get rid of Ottoman rule. So was Bulgarian nationalism. And Serbian nationalism. And Macedonian nationalism. You're problem is, again, you think that the name was chosen to claim Greek history and territory. Let me remind you that that movement pre-dates the Greek Struggle for Macedonia and the Balkan Wars, so there was no Greek territory to claim. The Franks were Germanic, but the Germans don't get offended by the word "French". The Belgui were Celts, but the Scottish don't get offended by the word "Belgians". The Bulgars were Turkic, but the Turks don't get offended by "Bulgarians". Let me be clear here:
			Stop trolling him, now. ] 00:41, 22 July 2008 (UTC)
	Anyone who feigns offense from the self-identification of another group is an idiot.
			:I'm not "trolling". I think it is very offensive and inappropriate to offend millions of Greeks in the manner he has. Suppose if someone had images of half your country being occupied by another... and showed every sign of working to that goal? I doubt you would find it particularly funny.
	Anyone who is actually offended by the self-identification of another group is a retard.
			I would recommend YOU stop trolling and let BalkanFever either justify it why it is appropriate... or remove it. If it is not removed within 72 hours I will make a formal complaint to Misplaced Pages's editorial board. ] (]) 03:46, 22 July 2008 (UTC)
	That's neither a personal attack nor an ethic slur, so don't cry to me if you're offended by that either. ''']]''' 01:47, 17 January 2008 (UTC)
			http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c110:S.Res.300: <br />
	:Your personal opinion is irrelevant in the greater scheme of things, as is mine. I am simply arguing the facts, and the evidence does not support your claim that the "movement pre-dates the Greek Struggle for Macedonia and the Balkan Wars". If you mean VMORO, its unorigins are far from uncontroversial. Most non-"Macedonist" observers would agree that it was an organisation of Bulgarian activists who used ''Macedonia'' in a geographical sense within the framework of a Greater Bulgaria. At least that's how all those who actually fought them, the Greeks, Serbs and Turks, perceived them. The fact that they "considered Macedonia an indivisible territory and all of its inhabitants ''Macedonians'', no matter their religion or ethnicity" speaks volumes about what ''they'' thought ''Macedonian'' meant. Not an ethnic term, that's for sure. ] (]) 07:34, 17 January 2008 (UTC)
			I look forward to your report. I'd recommend not wasting your time, and just stop now. ] 03:58, 22 July 2008 (UTC)
	::It was the basis for later Macedonian nationalism, which did use Macedonian as an ethnic term. Not to steal history or territory, but to create an independent country for the ethnic Macedonians. So technically, even if VMRO weren't ethnic Macedonians, it doesn't matter, because they provided the foundation for ethnic Macedonian nationalism - and don't make the error of confusing that with Macedonism. ''']]''' 09:45, 17 January 2008 (UTC)
			:I noticed you have an ongoing relationship with BalkanFever. I just pulled this from your user page.
	:::The ultimate goal of "ethnic Macedonian nationalism" has always been a ], based on the idea that there is an unbroken line of continuity between the ancient Macedonians and the modern Slavic ethnic group and that Macedonia has always been a single ethnic, geographical and historical region (to quote mk.wikipedia.org) that was unfairly "divided" in 1913 by its "enemies". The very notion of a "Macedonian" ethnicity implies that anyone not of that ethnicity is a foreign element, an "invader", an "occupier" who must be expelled in order for Macedonia to be free. After all, what right do the Greeks have to be in Macedonia if they're not "Macedonian"? In that sense, the nationalist project is incomplete, despite the independence of the fYRoM. The fact that ''realpolitik'' has dictated the official abandonment of irredentism by the government in Skopje has not changed this. ] (]) 11:21, 17 January 2008 (UTC)
			''I, BalkanFever, award you the Barnstar of Good Humor, for your constant hilarity on my talk page. Keep it up! BalkanFever''
			:Do you think it possible this conflict of interest may have created a bias in your NPOV? The reason why I suggest this is instead of spending a minute to review my issue... you ignored it completely and harassed me (twice) to basically get lost.... on someone else's talk page? ] (]) 04:53, 22 July 2008 (UTC)
			::Gia sou, whoever you are. This is a massive misunderstanding, and I must say on your part. The map in question is showing the fact that irredentist ideals in the Balkans ''overlap''. If you look at the light blue line, it shows a "Greater Greece", which includes Cyprus, European Turkey, and parts of Albania, Bulgaria, and the Republic of Macedonia.
	::::And what is the ultimate goal of Modern Greek nationalism I wonder? It is a recreation of the Byzantine Empire. Realpolitik dictates that ''that'' will never happen either. Nationalism has no bounds, no matter which group it is. And if the ethnic Macedonian nationalism was based on continuity with the Ancient Macedonians, then a United Macedonia would be Alexander the Great's empire, not a United region of Macedonia. Your idea of a Macedonian ethnicity is amusing, It also seems quite similar to the reality of the Greek ethnicity. Except instead of expulsion in your Macedonian fantasy, Greeks just violently Hellenise everyone. ''']]''' 11:42, 17 January 2008 (UTC)
	:::::Spare me the rhetoric about those evil Greeks and answer the following question, if you please. When you call yourself a "Macedonian" and me a "Greek" (or "Athenian"/"Pontian"/"Grkoman"/"idiot" or whatever else), does that not have the effect of implying that Macedonia is rightfully yours and that I am a foreign body (since I belong in "Greece", not "Macedonia")? ] (]) 11:52, 17 January 2008 (UTC)
			The red line shows "Greater Serbia", the brown line "Greater Bulgaria" and so on. The point of the map, which is published by an expert neutral, reliable, verifiable source, is to make you think "What if all nationalist desires in the Balkans could be fulfilled?". The point is that they cannot, because irredentism overlaps. Balkan people, when in large nationalist groups, are, for want of a less offensive word, idiots. It's like a sickness (or fever, hence my username). That being said, I have many Balkan friends (I myself am, obviously, from the Balkans), even Greeks. Most of those Greeks even call me a simple "Macedonian" and my country "Macedonia". It's probably because they don't care about a petty dispute. ''']]''' 10:25, 22 July 2008 (UTC)
			:::Wow...I was already explaining it. I had it all under control, and then YOU edit conflict me. Thanks. ] 10:28, 22 July 2008 (UTC)
	::::::No. It means you're not a Macedonian (in the sense that I'm using it). It has nothing to do with Macedonia. And you should spare me the rhetoric about Macedonism and United Macedonia. ''']]''' 11:59, 17 January 2008 (UTC)
			::::Well thank ''you'', for understanding the (obvious) point of the map. But the troll wasn't going to listen to you, no matter what you said. On an aside, one of the symptoms of Balkan Fever is excessive use of five-letter acronyms. ''']]''' 10:37, 22 July 2008 (UTC)
			::::::Well, since you EC'd me, I'm changing my recommendation to community ban at the ANi. ] 10:41, 22 July 2008 (UTC)
			:::::::Ah, this must be the revenge you were talking about! What a fool I've been. ''']]''' 10:47, 22 July 2008 (UTC)
			(outdent)lol, you're an asshole rivaling my own assholeness. I saw where you told an anon user "probably cause you suck" and then an (admin?) editor asked you about, lol, you really respond by saying "I'm pretty sure he does suck anyway." When I was reading the ANi report I fucking almost choked on my coffee. ] 10:54, 22 July 2008 (UTC)
			:Well, I try. Laveol is a big sack o' fun. <!-- Joke, people; not meant to be demeaning --> He's too serious sometimes, and he overreacts to some things (usually my jokes). Some of the guys you've met take things too seriously as well, no? ''']]''' 11:09, 22 July 2008 (UTC)
			::Shit man, I got admins so far up my ass I have to eat two bowls of cereal for breakfast or I'd be hungry the whole morning. And then the next admin comes along, and sees all these "blocks" and says to himself "i'm going to get me some of that" and bam I got another bullshit block. I don't even get the decency of an ANi where people can badmouth me publicly, you're so lucky for even that. ] 11:18, 22 July 2008 (UTC)
			(EC) Sigh. The map shows the ambitions of the factions of the Balkans. One time ambitions, former ambitions, or current ambitions. He's explaining the meaning of his user name: "BalkanFever." As in CabinFever happens when your stuck inside for a period of time, BalkanFever happens when your in the Balkans or interested in them for a time: considering everyone there has aspirations of empire. He never once endorses one side over the other in that map. And I thought this was obvious, or I wouldn't call you a troll and laugh it off. ] 10:26, 22 July 2008 (UTC)
	:::::::''Macedonian'' has nothing to do with ''Macedonia''. Right. ] (]) 12:01, 17 January 2008 (UTC)
			----
	::::::::You still don't get it, do you? If I say I'm Macedonian and you're Greek, it means exactly that - you're not Macedonian (by the definition of my usage). There is no implication of a country, since I am using terms describing ethnic groups, and ethnic groups do not own countries. ''']]''' 12:18, 17 January 2008 (UTC)
			Dear Balkanfever, I'm not sure if I'm adding these comments in the correct location. I am new to Misplaced Pages so please bear with me as I better learn Misplaced Pages's methods.
	:::::::::Oh, but there ]. In practice, such an abstract distinction is rarely made by your compatriots. And I certainly "get it" very well, don't worry about that; I am simply disputing your semantics. ] (]) 12:26, 17 January 2008 (UTC)
			Unfortunate your map shows the entire northern area of Greece as occupied by something called "greater macedonia". In addition your handle is "balkanfever", you show a considerable bias against Greek Macedonians with your user page news article listings (several which are inaccurate sensationalist titles from FYROM news sources), you did prior mass edits against the naming issue article without offering justifications for each... and now you expect me to take you seriously that your intent isn't occupation of Macedonia Greece, usurpation of Macedonian Greek heritage, and to direct propaganda/hate at Greeks? Consider what happened in the US when a vodka company company simply produced this ad.
	::::::::::You are seriously paranoid about this whole United Macedonia thing aren't you. Let me explain this:
			http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/laplaza/2008/04/mexico-reconque.html
	Macedonians = ethnic Macedonians OR Macedonians = people from/in Macedonia
			I'm sorry. I reject your claim of innocence and point you back to the a couple of clauses in a recent US Senate resolution condemning acts of propaganda against Greece by FYROM. (signed by Senator Obama I might add)
	Macedonia = Republic of Macedonia
			<blockquote>
	It's that simple. ''']]''' 12:32, 17 January 2008 (UTC)
			"Whereas a television report in recent years showed students in a state-run school in FYROM still being taught that parts of Greece, including Greek Macedonia, are rightfully part of FYROM"
			</blockquote>
			<blockquote>
	== hi there! ==
			Whereas, on September 13, 1995, Greece and FYROM signed a United Nations-brokered Interim Accord that, among other things, commits them to not `support claims to any part of the territory of the other party or claims for a change of their existing frontiers';
			</blockquote>
			<blockquote>
	do you have a yahoo messenger id or an email because i would like to talk to you ] (]) 14:46, 18 January 2008 (UTC)
			Whereas the aforementioned acts constitute a breach of FYROM's international obligations deriving from the spirit of the United Nations Interim Accord, which provide that FYROM should abstain from any form of `propaganda' against Greece's historical or cultural heritage;
			</blockquote>
			http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c110:S.Res.300: (Note: If the above link doesn't work please manually add a colon ":" to end of address bar)
	==Re==
	No, it has nothing to do with my Greek POV. It has to do with the respect of rules and of the consensus we reach in this encyclopedia. User:Kirev could do the research I did for him, and find out how international organizations use the term "FYROM".
			Unless you have further points to make Balkanfever... please remove your highly offensive link within 48 hours or I will take the issue up with the Wikipeida's editorial board (as well as your general pattern of anti-Greek Macedonian behavior). ] (]) 15:17, 22 July 2008 (UTC)
	And it was neither my intention to "penalize" Kirev. After all, I mentioned with my own initiative that my warning occurred at the same time with the 4th revert. I knew that and I knew that what would happen would be just a warning. Kirev should not be punished, but he should learn that he cannot revert unilaterally without discussing first.
			:If you can't also see the "Greater Greece" in the map, then something is seriously wrong with you. I reject your claim of intelligence and/or seriousness and will kindly tell you to leave me alone. Funny how you claim to support the "interim accord", yet it states that Greece should not veto the Republic of Macedonia's entrance into international organisations. You are a hypocrite (that's a Greek word, so I know you understand it). There is nothing more to say. Go away. ''']]''' 23:09, 22 July 2008 (UTC)
	What annoyed me was a desperate effort by you and Jdej to deny an undeniable violation of rules by Kirev. And this is POV: POV is to interprete the 3R contra verbum (and this is not wise when you speak with a jurist like me who tends to focus on terms!), and then to insist on the assertion that the revers were 3 and not 4! A wrong way to defend somebody. Maybe you should wonder if it was your POV that made you interprete the 3R rule the way it was convenient to you, to omit that each edit was accompanied with a revert (although Kirev himself courageously admitted that he was reverting), and to amount the reverts to 3 while they were 4.
			::Sorry I forgot to answer to your request earlier. The 209.* anon (who is ]) has been warned off and will hopefully keep out now. We don't usually semi-protect talk pages without some rather serious reason. You think it'll be okay now? Cheers, --] ] 13:13, 23 July 2008 (UTC)
	And all this, when you could effectively defend your friend basing your argumentation on what I myself admitted, that the 4th revert took place simultaneously with my warning, and that there was no further revert.
			:::Yeah it should be fine. ''']]''' 07:03, 24 July 2008 (UTC)
	And I tell you all these not in order to lecture you or to scorn you. I have no interest in doing that. I do that for one reason: Because you accused me for POV-pushing, and in order to stress one thing: Before accusing others as POV-pushers, try first yourself to fight against your own POV. Unfortunately, the way you chose to defend Kirev and fight against my arguments does not indicate such a wise stance.
			== God Damn it, there's another ANi about you! ==
	Cheers,--] (]) 17:52, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
			] you fool. Stop harassing and conspiring against people! ] 01:52, 24 July 2008 (UTC)
	:I did not reduce anything. Do you understand the term "more than 3"? It means any number above 3, not inclusive of 3. 4 is included in "more than 3" by definition. Don't try to teach me English. Not making "more than 3" reverts means making 3 or less reverts. There was no desperate effort to deny anything - I was calling it as I saw it. If you are interested in undermining my wisdom, focus on the term "no personal attacks". Also, I didn't accuse you of POV pushing, I "accused" you of attacking him ''because'' of your POV (thereby retorting your reason for this post). Either way, if you have anything informative to say, go ahead. If you're going to repeat what you said before, there's really no point. ''']]''' 21:53, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
			:Yeah, my propaganda seems to pissing a few people off. Oh well. ''']]''' 07:17, 24 July 2008 (UTC)
	==Languages==
	Thanks. Your suggestions are very helpful and I'll use them for the new version of the laguage map I'm working on. I was thinking to merge Serbian, Croatian and Bosnian into Serbo-Croatian, but I don't know what reactions will I receive from Croatians or Bosnians.
	] (]) 22:55, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
			==Giorgos==
	I don't know what to say. For me, Serbian and Croatian are identical, excepting the Cyrillic alphabet being used by most Serbs. I think I'll color them as one but write Croatian for the language in Croatia, Bosnian for Bosnia and Serbian for Serbia and for Montenegro. One more thing, representing Macedonian and Bulgarian languages in Greek Macedonia and Thrace is a very sensitive matter as the two languages (and ethnicities) are not widely accepted to exist by the Greek authorities. The last language census conducted by the Greeks was in 1951, so we don't know for sure the exact area of distribution of Bulgarian and Macedonian or the number of speakers. <small>—Preceding ] comment added by ] (] • ]) 23:26, 22 January 2008 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
			You probably misunderstood my comment. Some more info from the survey by Vidoeski in Koneski's book, would probably settle this map issue and provide additional information on Macedonian dialectology. I am sure that FP's version of the Vidoeski map, is as accurate as it can get--] (]) 11:11, 24 July 2008 (UTC)
			:Well, Macedonian dialectology is not the most discussed subject, as you can gather. Unsurprisingly, the majority of linguists interested are the ones from the Republic of Macedonia, and not Greeks (too much politics, you know how it is). I don't think the map issue will ever be ''settled'', since there will always be randoms that come across it and get offended or something. Or just people that believe any RoM source is ''ipso facto'' unreliable. ''']]''' 11:31, 24 July 2008 (UTC)
	== Proeski the Aromanian ==
			::You are unfortunately right on your remarks, but I am genuinely interested. With all these tension and constant bickering it becomes a trully impossible task to form an opinion. Therefore every piece of information is welcome as far as I' m concerned. I am well aware of the grievances from both sides. I think that the more we learn about the issues involved in this incredible conflict the better we understand.--] (]) 11:41, 24 July 2008 (UTC)
	Hi. Does a youtube video of him singing in Aromanian constitute a reliable source? Anybody who isn't Aromanian singing in Aromanian isn't too common. ''']]''' 05:11, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
			:::So many issues, so little interest (I mean on the part of others) For more on linguistics, try: ''The situation of the Macedonian language in Greece: sociolinguistic analysis'' by Roland Schmeiger and ''Greece and European Turkey: From Religious to Linguistic Identity'' by ]. ''']]''' 11:53, 24 July 2008 (UTC)
	:Unfortunately, even though some of the information that can be found on YouTube can be helpful, it, however, ] as a reliable source. The main reason would be that it would be hard to prove whether or not someone has a copyright to the specific video and Misplaced Pages might end up using it without proper consent.
	:Your example that it would be unlikely to hear a non-Aromanian singing in Aromanian might very well be true. However, that is considered ] because you're making an assumption based on evidence presented to you. Rather than conducting our own research, Misplaced Pages exists to provide information that can be readily found from another source and ]. In other words, in order for you to make a stetement declaring Proeski an Aromanian, you need to find a source that specifically says ''Proeski is of Aromanian origin'' or something to that effect that cannot be misconstrued. Most English speaking people reading his article and clicking on the YouTube link would never understand the difference between Macedonian and Aromanian anyways, right? So we need to have a source they can read for themselves that confirms that information. And, as far as what is considered a reliable source, ] states:
	:*In general, the most reliable sources are peer-reviewed journals and books published in university presses; university-level textbooks; magazines, journals, and books published by respected publishing houses; and mainstream newspapers.
	:I hope that answers your question.<br>
	:Peace! ] (]) 14:00, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
			:Thanks for the tip. I 've read both ages ago. Btw I think the correct spelling is "Schmieger" I've seen you mispelling it before and I am an expert in wreaking spelling havoc myself--] (]) 12:07, 24 July 2008 (UTC)
	== ] ==
			::I'll keep that in mind. Chucked it in the spell-check just to make sure. ''']]''' 12:28, 24 July 2008 (UTC)
	I'm leaving you this note to inform that you are placed on supervised editing for two months: you may be banned by any administrator for good cause from any article, talk page, or topic which you disrupt by editing in violation of Misplaced Pages's policies and guidelines.
			== Wow ==
	This is due to today's edit-war on ]. I see from your talk page archives you know about the case, so we can bypass the formal warning bit. ] <sup> ]</sup> 17:48, 25 January 2008 (UTC)
			In every article about FYROM for me Republic of Macedonia for you i can see you in the contributors and more i've read your page and i mean wow.Keep up the good work cause i've learned a lot from Fyrom related articles that i simply did't knew.
	:Hello BalkanFever, we may need to talk about this again – please see the comment I left on Moreschi's talk . Maybe he was a bit quick here. ] ] 18:50, 25 January 2008 (UTC)
	::I've cut the time-expiry for the supervised editing down from indefinite to two months. Looking at this again I was probably a little hasty in your case. Next time, though, please go to ] and ask for a short page protection to halt the edit-war. Best, ] <sup> ]</sup> 21:54, 25 January 2008 (UTC)
			Don't get me wrong about FYROM i don't want to offend or insult you.] (]) 18:07, 24 July 2008 (UTC)
	:::Fut.Perf. is right. Also, look at my comments on the talk page for the article. While I was editing, Jingiby seems to have made intermediate edits, and no "edit conflict" came up. It was only when I viewed the history that I saw what was going on. In retrospect, I should have gone to RFPP but it didn't occur to me. ''']]''' 01:24, 26 January 2008 (UTC)
	::::P.S. "F***ing up the article" was referring to my edit when I realised I duplicated a paragraph. Again, I didn't realise Jingiby already reverted that edit. ''']]''' 01:28, 26 January 2008 (UTC)		:Umm, thanks, I guess. ''']]''' 04:08, 26 July 2008 (UTC)
			== Comments ==
	:::::I'm sorry, I wasn't fully aware of the situation. I just saw the arbcom page and the article history.... damn, I had no idea about that. After Jingiby's "OK I agree!" edit, I went offline, so this entire situation surprised me. ''']]''' 01:38, 26 January 2008 (UTC)
			Well, you just proved my point.--] (]) 04:18, 27 July 2008 (UTC)
	::::::I can't understand how you "just" saw the ArbCom page, since ]. And I'll be the bad guy again, but whoever assumes good faith for BalkanFever reverts, should first have a look at this --] 01:55, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
			== Threatening to Ban people ==
	:::::::I was referring to the log of blocks and bans. And maybe you should look at the context, when Makedonia left Wiki because Bulgarian editors were propagating that ] was a Bulgarian song, which was fucking annoying. Not to mention that that was on 8 November, 2007, before the Arb.Com. case. But I guess you forgot to leave that out, huh? Take a look at this: ]. And I quote: "and most Macedonian editors are immobilized to such a degree they can hardly get an edit through without having it reverted immediately". ''']]''' 02:11, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
			Man, you are a trouble maker! I, per usual, am notifying you of an AN/i thread: ].
	::::::::Thanks for pointing out the ] article. Someone had put that it is a famous song in Greece (!!!)--] 02:21, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
			You are a rebel (by rebel I mean jerk)! ] 15:34, 27 July 2008 (UTC)
	:::::::::Oh but it probably is. Just not around "God's children" like you. ''']]''' 02:28, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
			:Seems to be taken care of, by numerous admins. ''']]''' 09:43, 28 July 2008 (UTC)
	::::::::::Well you know, it probably is, in the 2-3 villages of the Slavomacedonians. That means that less than 1/1000th of the population of ] are aware of it.--] 02:34, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
			== Ottoman Turkish ==
	:::::::::::2-3 villages that aren't afraid of how your government treats the devil's spawn, wow that must be a new record. I'm sure those Greeks who magically speak the Macedonian language have never heard of the song either. Whatever keeps you happy. ''']]''' 02:46, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
			Hi, I noticed your message at ]. He is a sockpuppet, so he is currently blocked. However, I know a user (]), who would probably know the answer to your question. He is semi-retired, so if he doesn't reply to you on his talk page, you might try ]. However, he definitely knows Ottoman Turkish. <span style="font-family:monospace, monospace;">]]</span> 06:49, 29 July 2008 (UTC)
	::::::::::::Sometimes it's beneficiary for someone to live in a lie, when he can't face the truth. Now when a whole nation lives in a lie, it becomes somewhat more serious. Keep dreaming that there is a Slav minority in Greek Macedonia struggling under the bad nationalist Greeks, waiting to be liberated. Dreams are free after all. --] 02:50, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
			:Oops, didn't realise that. Thanks. ''']]''' 07:05, 29 July 2008 (UTC)
			BTW, perhaps you could help me out with something. The ] page needs to be updated, and I noticed that someone added some info regarding Silmak (formerly Jugohrom). However, he/she included a joke in his edits (which are somewhat in comment-form instead of proper encyclopedic form), and also did not include any sources. Do you think you could help me by adding sources and updating the article? I need to know whether the plant was closed down or not, and I can't read the unfortunately. <span style="font-family:monospace, monospace;">]]</span> 10:05, 30 July 2008 (UTC)
	You can keep dreaming that there is a group of ethnic Greeks that randomly speak a language identical to the language of those that must not be named. I never suggested they are waiting to be liberated - what's serious is a whole nation living in paranoia. ''']]''' 02:56, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
	Every discussion I have with you people ends up with your side accusing me of ] or ]. Or the "your self-identification (which is none of my business) offends me" crap. Or the defence of ethnic slurs on the basis that it is OK in your country. It's always ''you'' being attacked. We should feel sorry for ''you''. I refuse to have fruitless discussion with POV-pushers like you. Don't bother replying. ''']]''' 03:53, 29 January 2008 (UTC)		:The official website just describes the municipality, and I don't seem to be able to click any links. Found an A1 article (in Macedonian) though, and will update the page now. The "Silni Makedonci" thing is the joke (it means "Strong Macedonians"). ''']]''' 10:18, 30 July 2008 (UTC)
			::Ah, ok. Thank you very much. One more thing: do you know if the names are normally supposed to be capitalized or not? <span style="font-family:monospace, monospace;">]]</span> 19:08, 30 July 2008 (UTC)
	:Since when is it identical? People in Florina hardly speak standard "Macedonian". You'll argue it's because the evil Greeks didn't let them learn it in school, forcibly teaching them a useless foreign language instead, but the fact remains. As for ], the word '']'', even in Slavic, doesn't ''have'' to mean ]. The Bulgarians use it, and so do the Greek Slavophones. You're not claiming a monopoly, remember? ] (]) 03:42, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
	::No, I'm not. But in this case, it ''does''. BTW, most Bulgarians use it to refer to their "ethnopolitically confused brothers". And I never said was identical to the ''literary'' language. People in Ohrid and Tetovo speak the same language as those in Florina - yet not the standard. ''']]'''		:::Actually, style here on wiki seems to be not to capitalise the name of companies, because I think most companies have their names in capitals elsewhere. Fixed. ''']]''' 04:04, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
			==weird story thing==
	:::There is nothing in the lyrics that suggests to me it is exclusively ] kind of "Macedonian". And people in ] speak the same language as those across the border; does that make them Bulgarians? In reality, there is a South Slavic ] stretching from the northern extremities of Greece all the way to the southern extremities of Austria; the ethnic self-identifications of the speakers are a political and historical matter, not a linguistic one. Do you see my point now? ] (]) 04:02, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
			LOL ] (]) 12:33, 30 July 2008 (UTC)
			== Ewa ==
	::::Dialect continuum. But lets say those Slavophones were to say "We speak X-ian" (X being an unambiguous term) i.e. not Macedonian or Bulgarian, but a similar language. They would still be in the same position as they are now: "We are Greeks, we just speak X-ian because we can". But the fact is that the name for their language ''in their language'' is "makedonski" or "balgarski", depending where they are. They just say "dopia" in Greek because one, Makedoniki is ambiguous and controversial, and two, government paranoia that the land will be taken. There mere fact that their mother tongue is not Greek suggests non-Hellenic origins. There is nothing in the lyrics of the song that suggests it's Bulgarian in ''any'' way, do you see my point? ''']]''' 04:17, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
			Hello. I see, still I would like to see the sentence there for one simple reason. "Polish singer" is not clear, many readers can guess she is Polish, because she hails from Poland or only her parents are Polish. Ewa hails from historical Polish minority of Zaolzie region, her family lived always there, borders just changed leaving this territory in Czechoslovakia, now the Czech Republic. For comparison, Polish minority there can be compared to Hungarian one in Slovakia or German-speaking one in Südtirol, Italy. - ] (]) 11:46, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
			: Right. Vendryne is a nice village near the ugly gray industrial town of Trinec. :) Due to this many wealthy people of Trinec built new houses in Vendryne in last years and relocated there, and this trend seems to continue. Ewa attended Polish elementary school in Vendryne (Polish Wedrynia) and is now going to attend famous Polish gymnasium (high school) in Cesky Tesin. - ] (]) 12:22, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
			:: I don't know her personally, she's quite younger generation than me but Ewa is a famous regional (and not only) personality. Yes, I live on the Olza, crossed it twice today. :) You're from the Republic of Macedonia? - ] (]) 12:52, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
			::: Nice. From what I know there is a huge Macedonian community in Australia, particularly Melbourne I think. How are your relations with huge Greek community there? :) My Greek friends from Zaolzie mention Macedonia only as FYROM and they would beat me if I would use Macedonia in front of them. :) They view your nation as bunch of revisionists and think you should give your territory to Greece. - ] (]) 13:11, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
			:::: Right. There are several thousands Greeks and Macedonians in the Czech Republic. Children of those forced to flee after the civil war. Patriotic as hell, which I'm fine with but I don't like their attitude towards other minorities in this country. Maybe it is because Greeks from Greece view their own minorities as obstacle. - ] (]) 13:39, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
			::::: Polish of course. Assimilation even accelerated after the fall of communism and the backbone of our minority have always been underlining of our uniqueness and otherness from the Czech ethnic group. So Poles there are loyal to the Czech Republic but proud Poles, many also believe in the so-called ''theory of two motherlands'', that we have one motherland in the Czech Republic, because we are Czech citizens and the second one, more or less spiritual, in Poland. Still we live in region divided in 1920 by both countries. For example in 1938-1945 our region was a part of different countries four times. Looking from 1918 even more times. :) - ] (]) 14:08, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
			:::::: Right, there is a discussion about this in Poland now but I am a fervent opposer of this fresh theory, so I'm not non-involved and couldn't deliver you a neutral point of view. :) - ] (]) 19:46, 1 August 2008 (UTC)
			== Comments on ] ==
	:::::But they don't call it "makedonski" in their language (apart from the Rainbow Party, that is). They call it "nashenski" or even "dopski". You're forgetting that Macedonism was a Yugoslav phenomenon; the Slavophones of Greece were not and are not part of that project. ] (]) 05:00, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
			Hi
	::::::You're forgetting that Macedonism and the national awakening of Macedonians are two different things. Why is it so bad for these people to be ] and not ] while they are still ]? They can still be patriots for their country (Greece) without being ethnic Greeks (Ellines). They are closer (culturally and linguistically) to their northern neighbours, but not being a Hellene is considered the same as being a Hellenophobe. Example: the term Slavomacedonian was accepted by the community, because it reflected their (ethnic and linguistic, not expansionist) links to their neighbours. But it soon became offensive because of the way that the ethnic Greeks used it, as if these people were of a lower class for not being the same. ''']]''' 05:25, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
			Regarding comment. I know is debate is pretty heated, but try and remember Misplaced Pages's policy on ]. Thanks ] <small>]</small> 14:00, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
	:::::::That's the part I honestly don't understand. If they themselves don't feel "the same", why would they be offended by Greeks' use of a term intended to differentiate them from the other ]? And if they are patriots for their country, does not make them Greek anyway? As I have mentioned before, the distinction between ethnicity and nationality is a blurry one for Greeks. In most people's eyes, if you were born and raised in Greece, speak Greek and love Greece, you are Greek, full stop. At the moment, it seems the Greeks are damned if they do and damned if they don't. Calling them Slavomacedonians is offensive because it implies they are "not the same", and calling them Greeks is offensive because it denies their right not to be Greek. ] (]) 07:02, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
			:Thanks for the reminder :) ''']]''' 12:22, 1 August 2008 (UTC)
	::::::::"if you were born and raised in Greece, speak Greek and love Greece, you are Greek, full stop". I completely agree, but in most people's eyes, identifying like those across the border (in one aspect), and those with which they live (in the aspects you mentioned) are considered mutually exclusive. They got offended, as is explained in the stub article, because Greeks used it not just to simply differentiate them (when differentiation is needed), but in a way that implied being different is bad. Essentially, no-one could grasp that one can be Slavomacedonian AND Greek. ''']]''' 07:24, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
			==Čestitki==
	:::::::::I personally don't see a problem with being both; my problem is with the implication that the Slavomacedonians are ''the'' Macedonians, when in fact they are only a minority thereof. As for your point that the Greeks use the term in a way that implies being different is bad, I'm sure calling yourself "Greek" across the border wouldn't make you very popular either - xenophobia may well be a Greek word but it is certainly not a Greek monopoly - but that's no reason to ditch the name. By the way, the Greek media also use ''Slavomacedonian'' rather than ''Skopjan'' when there is a need to distinguish between the Republic's ethnic Slavs and Albanians, i.e. it is simply factual, not pejorative. ] (]) 07:45, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
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	::::::::::But who are ''the'' Macedonians? AFAIK, you say it's ], undisambiguated. For a compromise to be reached, both uses of the term must be disambiguated. "Macedonia" will only be the region in Greece to Greeks, and "Macedonia" will only be the country to ethnic Macedonians, but to the rest it should mean the wider region, and everything else must have a qualifier. The reason I disagree with a disambiguation for the name of the Republic is because the region in Greece is not being disambiguated - monopolisation of the name Macedonia. ''']]''' 09:00, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
			] at any bootleg movie theater neer you!]] '''2''']]]] '''2''' 01:48, 5 August 2008 (UTC)
			:Yay! Now I can finally watch it :D ''']]''' 01:50, 5 August 2008 (UTC)
			::Lol, it was really good too.]] '''2''' 01:51, 5 August 2008 (UTC)
			== re: WT:MOSMAC ==
	:::::::::::You're quite right; this is precisely about the nomenclature the rest of the world will be using. It is not a strictly bilateral dispute as Skopje has been arguing, as there is simply no realistic prospect that either side will alter its ''internal'' use of the term. I'm not sure I understand your point about mutual disambiguation, though. Is ] not clear enough? As a Greek region, Macedonia is inherently disambiguated as it can only be conceived of as part of a larger entity. And besides, Macedonia is not a single political unit, so it is not quite comparable to the Republic, which lost that inherent disambiguation when it declared independence from Yugoslavia. Remember, Greece never really had an issue with the idea of a "Macedonia" within Yugoslavia; it was when the latter disappeared, and the two Macedonias therefore lost their hitherto equal status, that the problem arose. ] (]) 16:09, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
			Hello, is there a currently ongoing discussion about this? I looked briefly, but didn't see one. Perhaps I missed it? ] (]) 12:19, 5 August 2008 (UTC)
	Well, if one says "I went to Macedonia" and they mean the one in Greece then they have to disambiguate. Because it's not obvious, and I'm pretty sure the Anglophone world assumes the country anyway. Not that it ''should'' mean the country though - "I went to (prefix)Macedonia" would be correct. But what I honestly don't understand is why "Republic of" is not enough disambiguation - there has only ever been one republic called Macedonia, but there have been many regions called Macedonia throughout history. As I have stated before, the irredentism is not really to do with the name, its more based on the ethnic Macedonians (however many there are) in the wider region: like how Hungarian irredentists want Vojvodina and Transylvania, or how Croatian, Serbian and Bosnian irredentists want their respective ]s. In regards to people - I think it would be very hard to convince them to self-identify differently - but "ethnic Macedonian" seems not to confuse too many people, and "(prefix)Macedonian" looks like it will be used only as a demonym for people in/from the country. What I am actually most opposed to is Greeks identifying simply as "Macedonians", with ethnic Macedonians using a prefix like "Slavo-". ''']]''' 09:35, 30 January 2008 (UTC)
			:Replied on your talk page. ''']]''' 12:26, 5 August 2008 (UTC)
	:But one would only say "I went to Macedonia" and mean the Greek region if one were Greek, or travelling only within Greece. That's what I meant by inherent disambiguation. An official name change is not required because it always has to be disambiguated anyway (outside Greece). The Republic on the other hand, being a sovereign state, will always trump the subnational entity. Therefore, "I went to Macedonia" ends up having only one meaning in non-Greeks' minds. That's when the Greeks get fired up and say "hang on, we have a Macedonia too and it's actually older and bigger than that one". As for "the Republic of", it is such a common component of official country names that it inevitably implies ownership over the territory mentioned. Just like the Republic of Slovenia encompasses all of Slovenia, the Republic of Bulgaria covers all of Bulgaria, etc., so too the "Republic of Macedonia" can easily be confused with Macedonia as a whole. Greeks can't help but think that this is perfectly intentional, given the volatile history of the Balkans. And Skopje's reluctance to accept any form of disambiguation simply engenders further suspicion. ] (]) 10:24, 30 January 2008 (UTC)
	::Furthermore, "the Republic of" is always omitted in informal everyday usage, leaving us with... ] (]) 10:32, 30 January 2008 (UTC)		::I left a somewhat lengthy reply on my talk page. ] (]) 13:45, 5 August 2008 (UTC)
			:::Oh, here's an unrelated question: how did your talk page become conquered by Australia? ] (]) 13:47, 5 August 2008 (UTC)
	:::But there are situations when the country does not cover the entire region - United States of America, Republic of Mongolia (that's not the official name though), Grand Duchy of Luxembourg.....Of course one ''could'' confuse these, but then we should correct them. I'm quite happy for Greeks to, instead of getting fired up, calmly inform the non-Greeks that there ''is'' another Macedonia, part of the larger region also called Macedonia, instead of screwing over their neighbours. ''']]''' 10:57, 30 January 2008 (UTC)
			::::Since I'm in Australia, I decided to claim my page before someone else did. :D''']]''' 13:49, 5 August 2008 (UTC)
	::::And how many people know that there is a Mongolia outside ], or a Luxembourg outside ]? That's exactly my point. As for America, I've met plenty of Latin Americans who despise the fact that the name has been usurped by the hated ''gringos'', so the Greeks are definitely not alone in that regard. But in the case of Macedonia, it's not just the name that's at stake. The use of the name has also tended to entail a concomitant claim to Macedonia's heritage and the denial of Greece's historical presence there. ] is the most glaring recent example. Talk about screwing over your neighbours; the fact that he never set foot anywhere near Skopje is conveniently ignored, and the decision justified with mystical references to a "shared heritage" of the wider region. Which begs the question, how wide do you want to stretch that region? And why aren't you guys also proud of Socrates and Plato? They were from the "wider region" too, after all. Still, I lay the blame for this conundrum squarely on Alexander himself; if it weren't for him, an unrelated Slavic people would most likely never have chosen the name of his glorious kingdom to begin with, and Macedonia would have remained as obscure as ]. ] (]) 11:27, 30 January 2008 (UTC)
	:::::Well we'll never know :) ''']]''' 11:36, 30 January 2008 (UTC)		:::::Makes sense ;) ] (]) 13:56, 5 August 2008 (UTC)
	== Great minds think alike... ==		== Tarator or Cacik? ==
			Hi. Perhaps you have something useful to say about whether Cacik is an acceptable alternative name of Tarator, discussed on ]. ] (]) 09:58, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
	You beat me to it by five minutes . I had considered "WP:MACARB" (or perhaps we should have rouged that into "WP:MACABRE"? ;-) ] ] 08:38, 27 January 2008 (UTC)
			== Etiquette Alert ==
	:Hehe. The difference being ] ;-D. ''']]''' 08:58, 27 January 2008 (UTC)
			Hi, I'm letting you know I've filed an etiquette alert considering you at ]. --] 18:34, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
	::Actually, how about "WP:YOULLEATWOOD"? Isn't that the Balkanian internationalism for "WP:CLUEBAT"? ] ] 09:40, 27 January 2008 (UTC)
			== 2008 South Ossetia War talk archive ==
	:::I don't understand the question. ''']]''' 10:05, 27 January 2008 (UTC)
			Hi. I at first thought about archiving half the page, but then I changed mind and only archived discussions made on 8 August, leaving all 9 August discussions on the main talk page (having in mind to use the same archive page later as the days pass). If you think this is not helpful or if you can do something better please feel free to revert me. I don't intend to archive more now, and thanks for letting me know. ] (]) 12:32, 9 August 2008 (UTC)
	::::FP must be referring to «θα φας ξύλο» (literally "you'll eat wood", i.e. "you'll cop a hiding"), a common threat issued by Greek parents to unruly youngsters. I'm not sure it lies within the ], however. ] (]) 10:10, 27 January 2008 (UTC)
			== Ossetia ==
	:::::Oh right, we have something like that... I don't think it's about eating wood though. ''']]''' 10:16, 27 January 2008 (UTC)
			I'm not going to unilateraly move it because of the reasons you've stated. Unfortunately with such as busy article with so many editors, it will be hard to reach a consensus. We will see in the next few days if this war gets even bigger, so if it does then we can re-name it and if it doesn't then it's fine. If the war expands, then we may have to make a tough decision without a supermajority and change the name of the article to reflect reality. --] 05:41, 10 August 2008 (UTC)
			==South Ossetia==
			Yeh it does, however I oppose the independence of South Ossetia and Abkhazia. This is just Russia showing how big and hard it still is because it hasn't had a fight in a while. Also it wants to punish Georgia for leaving the CIS and becoming friendly with EU/NATO/USA ] (]) 08:28, 10 August 2008 (UTC)
	==Aromanians==
			:What do you mean what NATO did in the 1990s? ] (]) 08:54, 10 August 2008 (UTC)
			== Fark aff ==
	Hi. It is a sort summary about Aromanians in different countries and later generally about minor nations. The article critisizes Greece's approach towards minorities. It mentions soccer player Hagi and the fcat that he recognised his Aromanian descent and that Karajan while beeing of Aromanian origin affirmed he was a Hellenic nobleman. Generally the article does not contain any sensational new information and probably it is available in German as well. --] (]) 15:04, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
			] (]) 09:09, 10 August 2008 (UTC)
	:In Hungary there were Aromanians, and in 18-19th century they played an important role in commerce. Interestingly, most of them were called Greeks, eg. the Sina family who obtained even Hungarian noble ranks, or the less rich Aromanians were called Cincars. Only very few Aromanians identified tehmselves as Romanians like Gozsdu/Gojdu and Mocsonyi/Mocioni families. Today there is no Aromanian community in Hungary, but maybe some individual Aromanians live in the country. Aromanians are not among the 12 recognized ethnic minorities.--] (]) 16:31, 30 January 2008 (UTC)
			: *hides* ''']]''' 09:17, 10 August 2008 (UTC)
	::::Здраво BalkanFever, како си? Извини што вака те прашувам, но сакав да знам дали имаш нешто влашко? Јас сум 1/4 битолски Влав. Сакав да те замолам ако сакаш да ја погледнеш статијата ], да кажеш твое мислење, и ако сакаш заеднички да напраиме убава статија за Власите на македонската википедија. Поздрав. --] (]) 23:25, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
			== Macedonian translation ==
	== AlexanderPrilepMacedonia.jpg-Image ==
			Hi, BalkanFever! I'm looking for some help by a Macedonian speaker to get ] a bit improved. I used some article from the MK page as a template and tinkered around it. Since I have rough understanding of the Cyrillic alphabet and almost no understanding of the Macedonian language I'd appreciate one or two improvements on the article. You can find inspirations ]. If you have questions or need any help on your project's translations, just let me know! Thank you. ] (]) 12:32, 10 August 2008 (UTC)
	is it allright now? please answer. Thanks <small>—Preceding ] comment added by ] (] • ]) 12:28, 9 February 2008 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
			:No problem. I'll translate some of the passage tomorrow, as I'm a bit pressed for time right now. Cheers, ''']]''' 12:36, 10 August 2008 (UTC)
			::Great work. Thank you! ] (]) 11:30, 11 August 2008 (UTC)
			== removing instead of archiving ==
	== Language? ==
			Heh, I'm too afraid of being too forward and removing things that might actually be useful or that don't deserve removing :) . Also, if you later need to refer to the actions of a disruptive user, it's easier to point at archived discussions than at removed ones. --] (]) 15:25, 10 August 2008 (UTC)
	BTW, is that Vlach you are writing in your edit summaries? :-) ] ] 15:41, 9 February 2008 (UTC)
	:Indeed it is. If you want a translation I'll be happy to give you one ;-). ''']]''' 22:51, 9 February 2008 (UTC)		:Fair enough :). ''']]'''<sup>]</sup> 09:20, 11 August 2008 (UTC)
	== ] ==		== Question ==
			What's with requesting editors to "use # before signature"? ] (]) 17:56, 10 August 2008 (UTC)
	Thank you for pointing this out. In fact, I have been following the discussion, and the modifications to the main page as well. Things are moving apace. If I have something to contribute, I will. In the meantime, hammering out the Thessaloniki lead in a manner acceptable to all was not easy, and I was dismayed to see it undone. ] (]) 01:07, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
			:It gives a number so that it's easier to count.
			#Like so. ''']]'''<sup>]</sup> 08:42, 11 August 2008 (UTC)
			::Ehm, nevermind. I'd tell you what I mixed up but it'd make me look even more stupid. ] (]) 10:40, 11 August 2008 (UTC)
			:::Lol , OK then. ''']]'''<sup>]</sup> 10:41, 11 August 2008 (UTC)
			== Why "disputed"? ==
	==Quick question==
	Hey there BalkanFever. I just wanted to ask you whether US English is more appropriate than International English in articles relating to Macedonia? As I tend to use the latter in Macedonia-related articles. ]<sup>]</sup> 07:24, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
	:] states that it doesn't matter, as long as you're consistent. As you use Firefox, you can easily get a spell-check add-on for your preferred variety (I use Australian), so just go by what is easier for you. Remember to make the entire article consistent though :). ''']]''' 07:38, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
	::Great, but at the moment, the '']'' article contains both forms of English – which one should be used specifically for this article? ]<sup>]</sup> 11:43, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
	:::In that case, use the one that it was originally created with. ''']]''' 01:38, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
	::::Duly noted. Just for the record, I too am a ] :) ]<sup>]</sup> 07:35, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
	:::::Melburnian? ''']]''' 08:01, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
	::::::Не, од перт. ]<sup>]</sup> 12:10, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
			Hey Balkan, I was wondering why so many Macedonian articles are being disputed? Is the disputation coming from Macedonians or Bulgarian/Greek users? Look at the following:
	==Alexander==
	why has the picture "AlexanderPrilepMacedonia.jpg" been removed from "Alexander the Great"?? Greets ] (]) 13:36, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
	== What u think my friend ==
			.. and others
	ur help is more than welcomed.--] (]) 05:51, 11 February 2008 (UTC)		Also, ] is horribly written. It talks about the situation of the Balkans in the 1900s not the actual national awakening of the Macedonians. It needs work. ] (]) 21:34, 11 August 2008 (UTC)
			:Just to give a little light on the last issue - Macedonism was recently merged with Macedonian nationalism despite the warnings from some users that these were actually two different terms. --'''] <sup>]</sup>''' 21:42, 11 August 2008 (UTC)
	Is just what you think and if you can help.--] (]) 04:21, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
			:You'll have to search the page history to find out who disputes them, but I suspect the latter. Most people chuck a tag without opening a discussion, maybe thinking it will miraculously fix itself. If there hasn't been a discussion or the dispute has been resolved, just remove the tags. ''']]'''<sup>]</sup> 10:52, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
	== What do you mean with that ''Grow up, Laveol" ==
	Do you know what Frightner has said? Do you have an idea of all the insults we've got from him? That's what I meant and I'm pretty sure Frightner is well aware about this. Since you're obviously not - please, refrain from such notions as it sounds a little unfair at the least. Oh, and let's not forget you've not been such a ''good'' boy recently edit-warring on ] and ] which are articles well into the ] --'''] <sup>]</sup>''' 13:22, 12 February 2008 (UTC)		::About the other thing, Macedonian nationalism and Macedonism refer to the same thing (nowadays they have mostly a negative connotation, as with all nationalism), but Macedonism is more of a neologism, as Philip Baird Shearer said. Mactruth, feel free to improve the article. I too think it needs more focus, since "Macedonian nationalism" used to be at the title "National awakening of the ethnic Macedonians" so that ''was'' the original purpose. ''']]'''<sup>]</sup> 10:52, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
			== Hypocricy redux ==
	:Just to clarify this, the "Köbra" account obviously is Frightner, he's admitted it himself. As long as people think he's truly making a fresh start and behaving better, I'm personally inclined to tolerate him, but that's just me. ] ] 07:09, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
			Talking about hypocricy, you claim exactly above that some things should be just deleted (obviously it applies only to those you don't like) and then you revert me when I did exactly what you suggest.--] 08:22, 19 August 2008 (UTC)
	::If Kobra85 was previously Frightner, and he has made a fresh start, then everybody must respect that. That would include not referring to him as Frightner any more. ''']]''' 07:15, 13 February 2008 (UTC)<br>It would also include Laveol not holding a grudge. ''']]''' 09:35, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
			:Yawn. You're removing it because you don't like that English-language sources use "Republic of Macedonia" or simply "Macedonia". That and you find "Yunan" offensive, but then again, you use "Skopian" and "Fyromian" all the time, so why should I give a shit? ''']]'''<sup>]</sup> 08:29, 19 August 2008 (UTC)
			::Also, there's only one ] in hypocrisy. ''']]'''<sup>]</sup> 08:53, 19 August 2008 (UTC)
			:::But of ''course'' you'd know that. It is a ] word after all. ] (]) 09:18, 19 August 2008 (UTC)
			::::Any Greek should know that σ becomes s, not c. ''']]'''<sup>]</sup> 09:30, 19 August 2008 (UTC)
			:::::Anal, anyone? ] (]) 10:27, 19 August 2008 (UTC)
			::::::Double entendre, anybody? ''']]'''<sup>]</sup> 10:30, 19 August 2008 (UTC)
			:::::::You just know. ] (]) 10:31, 19 August 2008 (UTC)
	== Re. Your stances ==		== Junanci ==
			Samo licemjere ne podnosim. Ovo nije dostojno Sokrata ni drugih. Sramota na što spadoše . --] (]) 09:57, 19 August 2008 (UTC)
			:English, please? ] (]) 07:28, 20 August 2008 (UTC)
	Hello BalkanFever and thank you for your query. As you can see on my user page I'm very busy at this time, but will get back to you with an elaborate answer as soon as my life gets back to normal. Best regards, <strong><font style="color: #082567">]</font>]<font style="color: #082567">]</font></strong> 23:51, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
			::As I have yet to receive a reply from Aradic, would BF care to do the honours? ] (]) 08:40, 21 August 2008 (UTC)
	== Mac. templates ==
			:::Did you ignore what I said about my Croatian skills? I understand it fairly well, but my translation won't make much sense, so you'll probably misinterpret it. ''']]'''<sup>]</sup> 08:56, 21 August 2008 (UTC)
	To add a touch of variety to these reversions :-), I've sided with Kekrops on one of them . In this case, I think the "disambiguation" argument does have some merit. Since not all of the entries in the list are nation states – at least one, "Cameria, is actually a part of Greece – automatic disambiguation to the nation state reading cannot be assumed. This is where "Republic of..." really does make a bit of sense. Just my 2c. ] ] 12:17, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
	:Come to think of it, shouldn't we be following usage? ] (]) 12:24, 13 February 2008 (UTC)		::::Just give it a shot. ] (]) 09:02, 21 August 2008 (UTC)
	::Uhm, no. ] ] 12:29, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
	:::I wasn't entirely joking. MOSMAC offers no advice on how to treat countries that do not recognise the constitutional name, other than Greece of course. ] (]) 12:37, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
	::::You know my opinion: the whole idea that we should treat "countries", or any other entities for that matter, differently according to what their own naming preferences are (for a different entity), is utterly ridiculous, and there never really was a good reason to make such a rule for Greece in the first place. ] ] 12:42, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
			:::::Well? ] (]) 13:47, 21 August 2008 (UTC)
	I'm going to agree with Fut. Perf. here (both points). BTW, what does Απαξιώ mean? ''']]''' 12:36, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
			approximately:
	:You have no Greek friends you could ask? ] (]) 12:37, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
			{{quote|I just can't stand the ]s.This is not at the level of Socrates. it is shameful on what did they(Yunans, btw) come.}}
			--] (]) 12:25, 25 August 2008 (UTC)
			:I asked for an ''English'' translation, not this shit. By the way, one of you says it's Croatian while the other claims it's "Macedonian". Which of you Slavs is telling the truth? ] (]) 22:06, 25 August 2008 (UTC)
	:Not right now, no. ''']]''' 12:43, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
			::Ja sam ja, divlji Bil, prezivam se............''']]'''<sup>]</sup> 10:43, 26 August 2008 (UTC)
	::I'm not surprised. ] (]) 12:45, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
			==]==
	:::Is that a comment, or is that what it means? ''']]''' 12:58, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
			Hi could you fill this out into the fuller article it deserves thanks. I've also created ] as with other countries ]</span> <sup>]</sup> 18:31, 19 August 2008 (UTC)
			:Will do. ''']]'''<sup>]</sup> 05:39, 20 August 2008 (UTC)
			== Question from an Ionian ==
	::::То прото, еноите. ] (]) 13:04, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
			Would you mind translating comment of yours? Cheers. ] (]) 16:07, 20 August 2008 (UTC)
	:::::Nu achicasescu. ''']]''' 13:07, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
			:"I want to ask you: do you hate Greeks as a nation (ethnic group), or just the hypocrites? They're not ''all'' bad people....<small>Sorry, my Croatian probably sucks</small>." ''']]'''<sup>]</sup> 06:56, 21 August 2008 (UTC)
	I see you've modified quite a few templates. I guess you won't object when I put the sup about the naming dispute as in ]--] 01:43, 14 February 2008 (UTC)
			::It doesn't actually say "Ionians"; that would be "Jonci". And maybe you should actually read the wiktionary pages that you link to - you might learn a thing or two. ''']]'''<sup>]</sup> 06:56, 21 August 2008 (UTC)
			:::So ''Junanci'' means "Greeks"? In which language? ] (]) 07:16, 21 August 2008 (UTC)
			::::It's not an actual word bre. Call it a loan if you want, a Slavicisation of the Turkish word <small>or Persian, ultimately Greek, blah blah blah....</small>. It means "one from ''Junanska''", which itself is borrowing the stem (Junan from Yunan) and translating the suffix (like in a calque); -stan and -ska both meaning the same thing (-ia in Greek and Latin). ''']]'''<sup>]</sup> 07:45, 21 August 2008 (UTC)
			:::::In other words, you were merely parroting the pejorative epithet coined by your Croat comrade. Got it. ] (]) 08:35, 21 August 2008 (UTC)
			::Since you seem to know your spelling it's time to go to the actual meaning of the word. I'm sure your definition of hypocrites is quite large, when Greeks are concerned. Just to clarify since you've already labelled me a hypocrite, do you think it's okay to hate me and do you label me "bad people"? --] 08:08, 21 August 2008 (UTC)
			:::Don't be silly, you (Avg) can't be "bad people" since that's a plural. ''']]'''<sup>]</sup> 08:18, 21 August 2008 (UTC)
			::::I've noticed that no one has signed yet. Can you feel the love? <small>I think you hate it, deep inside.</small> ] (]) 10:22, 26 August 2008 (UTC)
	:Go ahead. ''']]''' 01:46, 14 February 2008 (UTC)
	:Only where it's relevant though - ], ] and the like don't need a link to the naming dispute. ''']]''' 01:51, 14 February 2008 (UTC)
			:::::Well I didn't come here for love, I'll tell you that much. <small>Guess I'll have to try harder.</small> ''']]'''<sup>]</sup> 20:45, 26 August 2008
	== Tatars and sub-saharans ==
	Re did he or did he not call Bulgarians and Greeks "Tatars" and "sub-saharans" respectively? ] (]) 03:09, 14 February 2008 (UTC)		::::::I suppose I ''could'' sign it, given the right atmosphere. <small>I'm open to ].</small> ] (]) 10:48, 26 August 2008 (UTC)
	:Did he say that they were inferior? Stop assuming things based on your own racism. Go away. ''']]''' 03:16, 14 February 2008 (UTC)		:::::::Do you take burek? ''']]'''<sup>]</sup> 11:07, 26 August 2008 (UTC)
	::It's implicit in the terminology, wouldn't you agree? And please refrain from calling me a ]. You're the one defending one. ] (]) 03:22, 14 February 2008 (UTC)		::::::::Is it thick and greasy? ] (]) 11:13, 26 August 2008 (UTC)
	:::I am trying to ''stop'' racism. Did you even read what I said on his (and Fut. Perf.'s) talk page? You, on the other hand, constantly attack users that don't share your POV. This, all the while defending a ]. ''']]''' 03:40, 14 February 2008 (UTC)		:::::::::Indeed. ''']]'''<sup>]</sup> 11:15, 26 August 2008 (UTC)
			== aromanian help ==
	::::Yes, I did. You quietly told him in Slavic to avoid racist terms like "Tatars" and "sub-saharan", but here, in English, you're trying to defend him by denying that they are racist or imply inferiority, instead accusing me of racism for pointing out who the targets of his racist remarks were. ] (]) 04:20, 14 February 2008 (UTC)
	:::::I am defending him because all you are interested in doing is baiting him to see if he makes more racist remarks. One more Skop down, right? ''']]''' 10:08, 14 February 2008 (UTC)		Hi, i see that you can speak aromanian. Can you help me finding the ] name in aromanian, because there is a slight minority in the town and the name should be added to the lead? Thanks] (]) 14:12, 21 August 2008 (UTC)
	::Just a notice - yes, we do find this racist and yes, all of you know this.--'''] <sup>]</sup>''' 15:03, 14 February 2008 (UTC)
	:::You might like to contribute your opinion ]. ] (]) 15:57, 14 February 2008 (UTC)		:I doubt it's any different from the Albanian < Greek. ] (]) 14:23, 21 August 2008 (UTC)
	==Прашање==
	Здраво БалканФевер, да те прашам дали имаш проблеми околу моите статии на англиски, и ако имаш извини ама што да се прави со тие што ги менуваат тие статии како на пример мојата за Абецедар и Радиовце. Комплетно се изменети. Дали некако може да се заклучат? и извини ако имаш проблеми создадени од мене. Поздрав--] (]) 22:55, 14 February 2008 (UTC)
			::It would be Saranda, maybe Sarandã. I doubt you would be able to find it on the internet anywhere though. ''']]'''<sup>]</sup> 11:07, 22 August 2008 (UTC)
	:Ја видов статијата Абецедар, И немав голем проблем, ама проблемот на Википедија (и во вистинскиот свет) е "дали имаше Македонски јазик пред Социјалистичка Република Македонија?". Знам што ти мислиш/знаеш и знам што повеќето од Бугарија и неколку од Грција мислат/знаат. Моето мислење немам време или мотивација да го опишувам. Тоа што се знае за Абецедарот е дека беше пишувано во говорот на југозападна ] (или западна Егејска Македонија во тоа време). Дали "српски", "бугарски", "македонски" или ], многу не се знае. За Радиовце, која само сега ја имам видено, не сакам да те навредам, ама беше малце како туристичка брошура. Бидејќи ти си од таму, сакаш да кажиш на други за твојот град, ама читачите за неколку од тие информации можат да си гледат на други сајтови, не тука. Гледај ги другите статии за градови во Македонија ако сакаш. Мислам дека требам да те директирам на страницата ], што вели дека иако имаш направена статија, не е ''твоја''. Сите корисници смеејат да уредуват статии, само не ако ги вандализираат или си имат борба за неколку информации. За "проблемите", не бери гајле, корисниците кои не ме сакат не ме сакале неколку време пред да доаѓаш ти. Навистина, кур ме боли што мислат :D. ''']]''' 07:40, 15 February 2008 (UTC)
	::Види вака, за Радиовце од историска гледна точка многу малку податоци можат да се најдат. Знам дека е ко брошура ама тоа е нема други извори за податоци... поздрав--] (]) 09:26, 15 February 2008 (UTC)
			== Macedonian History in question==
	:::Ама за статија да биди добра, не ''мора'' да биди долга. Ако нема многу информации, што ке праиш? Стави линк на официалиот сајт (и можеби еден туристички сајт) и тоа е - информативна статија. И да знаеш, ако никој не ја менува статијата ''сега'', ке биди изменета во неколку дена/недели - од било кој мисли дека статијата не изгледа баш добра за енциклопедија (не е ништо против тебе, само така е овој проект). Поздрав ''']]''' 10:30, 15 February 2008 (UTC)
	:: Ne ne go zemam toa zdravo za gotovo, koj misli deka ne e ok toa e neka si menuva. A inaku sakam da te pra] (]) 11:20, 15 February 2008 (UTC)
			Zdravo BalkanFever. Nekoj ja izbrisa slikata IlindenFlag svg.png za koja nie Makedoncite tolku se borevme da ostane vo ] poradi copyright, a Bugarot Jingiby postavi link vo na bugarskata partija VMRO-BND deka oni go koristat toa zname, a u stvari: 1. oni koristat drugo takvo zname so natpis 'VMRO-BND' 2. jas go kreirav toa zname i mu staviv copyright kako 'own work'.
	:::] ima malce ama ne se navikani "Makedonci", for obvious reasons. Ova tema bila diskusirana mnooogu pati - i do denes istoto e - nema Makedonci vo Grcija, ili ima 962 (vidi ]). Ako sakas, napravi, ama Grcite nema da ti dozvolat - i trebas mnogu izbori (]) koi vikat istoto. Da znaes, kje ti treba izbori od akademci koi nemat "agenda" - znaci od Zapadna Evropa. Ne mozi samo od Vinozito - ne znam oti - ama ne mozi. Ajde sega da zborime vo angliski, da ne mislat deka nie si imame agenda ;-) ''']]''' 11:49, 15 February 2008 (UTC)
			Ke mozes li da prezemes nesto? Golem pozdrav
	::OK, I know the that on English it will be deleted and I do not want to write about it on English. I want to write about it on Macedonian it will be more secure for me and for the article. I will try to find some statements from scientists and ethologists but it is little bit difficult. Thanks, regards...--] (]) 12:07, 15 February 2008 (UTC)
			PS. Ti moderator li bese tuka ili greska sum? ] (]) 02:37, 28 August 2008 (UTC)
	== Muabet (Talk) ==
			:Stvarno ne znam za copyright i takvi nešta. Najdobro e da odiš do ] za celiot problem i vidi što kje se sluči tamu. ''']]'''<sup>]</sup> 06:57, 28 August 2008 (UTC)
	Fala za dobredojdeto. Jas sum megju raboti, imam malku slobodno vreme, pa pocnav da ureduvam 2-3 strani vo Makedonskata wikipedija i recnik. Ja vidov diskusijata za Makedonija i resiv da pisam mekolku argumenti. Poveli vo Makedonskiot wikirecnik. Jas ke napravam edna sablon strana (pocnav so prednata strana i zborot zanimanje) i kje pocnam da go ubacuvam zborovi spored sablonot. Ako imas nekoi idei za podobruvanje na sablon stranata na zanimanje, pisi mi. Mislev da ubacam i dijalekti. Bi bilo fino da se ima i literaturniot zbor i zborot vo razlicni dijalekti. Pozdrav ] 12.20, 16 February 2008 (CET) <small>—Preceding ] was added at 11:32, 16 February 2008 (UTC)</small><!--Template:Undated--> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
			== a discussion of hypothetical situations which doesn't add anything to the article ==
	==Macedonian help!==
			* - Are you insane??? Before I added this ''very'' important paragraphs, Zocky reverted one of my edits with a summary implying ''just that'' . Some Serb linguists like ] even tried to list the common "Serbo-Croatian" isoglosses, but all of them have eventually failed the eye of scrutiny! The fact that this "Serbo-Croatian" grouping is completely arbitrary and does not constitute a genetic node, i.e. that there was never a stage in which there existed an ancestor dialect of all Čakavian, Kajkavian and Štokavian speeches is a '''very important''' one. --] (]) 11:44, 28 August 2008 (UTC)
	Здраво Алекс! Како си? Just wondering if I could get some help with some Macedonian. Would the translation of ''Federation of Jewish Communities of Yugoslavia'' in Macedonian be '''Савез Јеврејских општина Југославије'''? Благодарам, AWN (aka MK-0) ] (]) 03:32, 17 February 2008 (UTC)
			:Yes OK, your explanation makes sense. Maybe you want to word it differently and cite a few sources? ''']]'''<sup>]</sup> 11:56, 28 August 2008 (UTC)
	:Здраво и благодарам Алекс! Thanks for your help on that, but I think I found the "official" Yugoslav translation: Сојуз на еврејската општна на Југославија (http://www.jewish.org.mk/Demograf/Demograf.htm). You are right though, the text I included was based on Serbian title :-) Thanks again, MK-(-1) :-) ] (]) 05:24, 17 February 2008 (UTC)
			::And I still don't think ''all'' of that should be in the intro. ''']]'''<sup>]</sup> 11:57, 28 August 2008 (UTC)
	== Z/Ç ==		== Selam ==
			Hi Emre. I just wanted to ask, do you know any Ottoman Turkish? ''']]'''<sup>]</sup> 11:24, 26 August 2008 (UTC)
	Hello. Yes, I am a native speaker. I suppose the names are spelled with Z instead of Ç because the symbol Ç isn't really native to English. They replace it with the closest thing they have, which is usually a Z. There is probably also some influence of Spanish, where many of these names are indeed spelled with Z. Regards. ] (]) 18:35, 19 February 2008 (UTC)
			:Hi, What do you mean as Ottoman Turkish? Craftsman or Sultan? I didn't understand completely... ]<sup>]</sup> 07:18, 29 August 2008 (UTC)
			::I meant do you have any knowledge of the ] (Osmanlıca)? 08:36, 29 August 2008 (UTC)
			:::i can't think now... Both are resemble to each other... ]<sup>]</sup> 18:26, 30 August 2008 (UTC)
			== Your awful revert of Sharr Mountains ==
	== Re:Mother Tereza ==
			Your awful and biased revert of the article on the Sharr Mountains on the Kosovo pages will be changed and I hereby submit my protest at your silly changes. The Sharr Mountains are located in two Albanian-majority territories (Albania and Kosovo), thus Albanian takes precedence and so-called 'Macedonian.' You are hereby warned to stop your biased reverts. --] (]) 18:36, 31 August 2008 (UTC)
	It says that someone named Stojan Trencevski had a document proving that her father represented the aromanians in the assembly of Skopje , and that people in macedonia have no doubt that Mother Tersea was albanian but they were also sure that her father wasn't , but that he was Aromanian .<br>Anyway that is all it says about her father<br>But it also says that the argument : "''The surname Bojaxhi in albanian means "painter" , so he must be albanian''" , doesn't "work" because the albanians borrowed "''Bojaxhi''" from turkish and so did the aromanians , so he could be aromanian aswell . But anyway , it stops with this and it doesn't really conclude if he was aromanian or not --]] 12:27, 21 February 2008 (UTC)
			:WTF? ''']]'''<sup>]</sup> 08:09, 1 September 2008 (UTC)
	== Macedonia (terminology) ==
	It was a somewhat spoof comment on how can "fictional" memories, a walk in the the "land of Oz", can forge a social phenomenon. --] (]) 03:13, 24 February 2008 (UTC) (Plus, that movie, more than half a century later, is still wacky :P)
	== Macedonian Premier Leagues ==		== Re: Macedonia on Kosovo ==
			Thank you, BalkanFever. It certainly looks more useful than what we had in place, and so I took the liberty of replacing the article entry with your write-up, giving credit where it's due in the edit summary. Best, --] <sup>]</sup> 06:55, 6 September 2008 (UTC)
	Здраво Алекс! Како си? "Shalom" does indeed mean hello/goodbye/peace, depending on the context! It is the general-purpose salutation amongst Israelis, and to some extent, Jews!
			== Oggs ==
	With regard to the Macedonian Premier Leagues, I think that's a good idea. I was initially going to create the basketball league page as ], but since the football/soccer article was not called "Macedonian Premier League", I thought I might as well use it ;-)
			This is a reply to your email (in Macedonian): Еве, арен, ти како си? :)
	I think the best procedure might be to create the ] and ] articles ''first'', transfer the data from the existing articles into them, and then create a redirect page for the current articles, and then create the disambiguation page. Hope that helps, let me know if you want me to get involved :-) Шалом ;-) AWN ] (]) 05:08, 24 February 2008 (UTC)
			Добро е што ме потсети за изговориве, затоа што и тоа имам во план веќе некое време (како и милион други работи). Знам и можам, само не знам дали сум компетентен за таа работа (со гласот, со интонацијата...). Види го ] на ]; that little bastard is me, but don't tell anyone. :P Сепак, сигурно ќе биде подобро од српски хахаха, многу се смееме за тоа тука! Шега на страна, не можам да дозволам странците да слушаат нешто на што тука се смееме, уште веднаш ќе почнам со „рикординг“! ;) Поздрав. --]<sup>]</sup> 12:36, 6 September 2008 (UTC)
	:PS The basketball and football league templates (FIBA, UEFA) will also have to be changed, although the redirect pages will take care of the mechanics... Cheers, AWN ] (]) 05:12, 24 February 2008 (UTC)
			:Ок, еве го и првото чедо: ]. Добро ли е? Не знам зошто се јавуваат тие три пречки т-к, т-к... Добар ми е микрофонот... Можеби при конверзијата wav-ogg, бидејќи немам снимач директно во .ogg. Ако имаш, те молам препорачај. --]<sup>]</sup> 15:48, 6 September 2008 (UTC)
	::PPS Also, I am not sure what you mean by "''Macedonian Prva Liga is not correct English, or correct Macedonian''" -- do you mean that it's not correct to mix Macedonian and English in the article title (which I agree with), or that the translation is not correct (that is, ''Prva Liga'' does not translate to ''Premier League'')? I note that the English website of the Macedonian Football Federation translates Prva Liga as "First League", but there is no English language website for the basketball league (the website uses the terms "Superleague" and "First League", although I think Superleague can be discounted on the basis that's it is a legacy from when the competition was the "''Kosmofon Superleague''"). Just a quick Google seems to indicate that "First League" gets more hits for both basketball and football/soccer, but a translation of "прва лига" returns "premier league"... My 2 cents is that "Premier League" is the way to go on both articles... what do you think? Cheers, AWN ] (]) 05:32, 24 February 2008 (UTC)
			::Фала многу! За тие пречки немам појма, ама не е толку битно. Уште еднаш фала. :) ''']]'''<sup>]</sup> 23:22, 6 September 2008 (UTC)
	:::I have copied the basketball league article to ], and created a redirect page at ], although this should probably be a disambiguation page (that is, ] should probably redirect to ])... Luckily, I don't think many articles link to ]. As for the football/soccer article, do you want to take care of that one? I think we will end up with the following pages:
			:::Додадов уште неколку, види ]. Планирам уште многу да додадам, добро ќе ни дојдат. Патем, нема зошто ти да се заблагодаруваш: го правам тоа ''за нас''! Ти може да дадеш еден изговор на ], ама на амерички. :D --]<sup>]</sup> 03:23, 7 September 2008 (UTC)
	:::#] → redirect to ]
	:::#] → links to basketball and soccer pages
	:::#] → already fixed (basketball league)
	:::#] → football league
	:::#] → redirect to ]
	:::#] → redirect to ] (''article and redirect already exist'')
	:::#] → redirect to ] (''article and redirect already exist'')
			::::Браво бе човек! Ај ќе ги додадам. РЅ: Оxрид во МФА ќе биде ли /ohrid/ или /ohrit/ ? Звучи како ]. ''']]'''<sup>]</sup> 03:32, 7 September 2008 (UTC)
	:::How does that sound? Cheers, AWN ] (]) 06:17, 24 February 2008 (UTC)
			:::::Да ти кажам, тоа размислував баш додека го снимав! На македонски се вика „обезвучување“ на согласка на крајот од зборот и тоа важи за повеќето зборови, воопшто (леб -> леп, снег -> снек, итн). Веројатно тоа важи и за Охрид (за зборот рид исто така важи обезвучувањето). Не дека намерно сакаме д да се слуша како т, ама се слуша, што да му правиме. :) Значи, јас не сум експерт за ИПА и затоа не знам што да ти кажам, ама знам дека д-то на крај се слуша како т. Од друга страна, ако по зборот „Охрид“ има збор што почнува со звучна согласка (пр. Охрид '''д'''аде жртви...), обично се изговараат слеано двете звучни согласки, односно ОхриД. Ај да не се врткам околу едното исто, да ти кажам право - не знам. :) --]<sup>]</sup> 05:19, 7 September 2008 (UTC)
	::::Здраво Алекс! I got your message on the ] page ''after'' creating it!! ;-) I think it is still necessary in case an editor creates an article about a player or team in either league and links to the league using <nowiki>]</nowiki>. I still think it will be useful to have the ] page redirect to the disambiguation page, and I have cleaned up most of the links to the article so that it can be done safely now. Cheers, AWN ] (]) 06:38, 24 February 2008 (UTC)
			::::::Добро, ќе го ставам како /t/ бидејќи така се слуша. Гледам важи само на крајот на зборот: (леб /lɛp/, а лебот /lɛbɔt/) а исто така и пред безвучни самогласки: /gruefski/. ''']]'''<sup>]</sup> 05:42, 7 September 2008 (UTC)
	:::::Looks great -- nice work! Честито! (← AWN is learning the јазик! ;-) ) Cheers, AWN ] (]) 07:29, 24 February 2008 (UTC)
			:::::::Да, токму така. ;) Ќе снимам сега уште неколку имиња на градови, ама сигурно има и уште нешто. Те молам кажи ми ако ти текнува нешто друго за снимање (само направи ми листа, ќе ја средам). --]<sup>]</sup> 14:24, 7 September 2008 (UTC)
	==_==
			Еј, провери ги моите нови подигнувања на Ризницата и додади ги на соодветните статии (не сакам да експериментирам со ИПА). И уште еднаш да ти кажам, направи ми листа од сè што сакаш да чуеш. ;) --]<sup>]</sup> 17:29, 7 September 2008 (UTC)
	Здраво БалканФевер, како е? Да, тие два линка ги избришав затоа што незначителен број Македонци се членови на соодветните цркви. Поздрав. --] (]) 23:13, 24 February 2008 (UTC)
			:Епа, само имиња на градови и луѓе требат МФА, а реките, планините итн. нека ги имат ogg-те со кирилицата, како што си направил . Ќе создавам листа наскоро; повеќето ќе биде градови и луѓе. ''']]'''<sup>]</sup> 08:49, 8 September 2008 (UTC)
	==Sandbox article==
			::Ок, провери ги подигнувањата. ;) Ги снимив сите за 10 минути, но ги подигав неколку саати... :( Се тресам од замор... :S --]<sup>]</sup> 20:11, 8 September 2008 (UTC)
	Здраво Алекс! I have made some changes to the sandbox article on the Macedonian alphabet, if you'd like to take a look and make any comments/suggestions. I have also addressed Laveol's comments on the sandbox talk page. (], ]) Cheers, AWN ] (]) 06:53, 25 February 2008 (UTC)
			:::Ги ставам сега. Едно прашање: РАДмила шекеРИНска или шеКЕринска? Снимал си го првото, и нормално ти ќе знаеш, само секогаш мислев беше второто. ''']]'''<sup>]</sup> 05:29, 10 September 2008 (UTC)
	== Songs ==
			::::ШекеРИНска, тоа е изговорот на ова презиме. Македонското правило на ''третиот слог од лево кон десно'' важи само за изворните македонски зборови (и тоа не баш за сите); странските имиња се читаат најчесто како што се читаат во оригиналот. Земи го како пример Александар. :) Една професорка во основно ме викаше АлЕксандар хаха. :D Патем, фала ти за ''микрофонот''! :P Ако се потребни уште снимки, направи уште една листа, па после да можеш да ме наградиш цело студио! :D --]<sup>]</sup> 13:46, 10 September 2008 (UTC)
	I guess you missed out the fact that the annon had added a bg interwiki and you just reverted him, but why did you remove the name in Bulgarian (that's for Zajdi, Zajdi) and again what was that ''lol no'' stuff on Makedonsko devoiche since the section removed by the annon had a fact tag since November? If no sources are provided for a reasonable amount of time, info can validly be removed. As for Zajdi, Zajdi there seems to be interesting info about it on bg.wiki. I've already asked for sources regarding it. --'''] <sup>]</sup>''' 11:06, 26 February 2008 (UTC)
	:Thanks :) --'''] <sup>]</sup>''' 11:14, 26 February 2008 (UTC)
			==Russia and the Caucasus==
	::No problem. I hastily saved the previous version of Makedonsko Devojče - I was actually fine with removing the unsourced stuff, but I made the wrong revert. With Zajdi zajdi, again, I just saved the previous version by me, because most of the edits were actual vandalism. I didn't notice the bg interwiki though, nor did I notice the Bulgarian name was missing, as I didn't (consciously) remove it in the first place. ''']]''' 11:21, 26 February 2008 (UTC)
			yeh I would lol ] (]) 10:56, 8 September 2008 (UTC)
	:::I thought so - I didn't want it to sound as an accusation. I don't know when the bg name was removed in the first place. --'''] <sup>]</sup>''' 11:24, 26 February 2008 (UTC)
	== Addition ==		==Language policy of SFRY==
			It is late but now we are having source . In first communist Yugoslavia constitution official languages are: Croatian, Macedonia, Serbian and Slovenian + Hungarian in Vojvodina and Albanian on Kosovo.--] (]) 23:20, 8 September 2008 (UTC)
	I added a bunch small ethnic groups and 1 medium one to your user page. I hope you don't mind. :) --] (]) 17:12, 27 February 2008 (UTC)
			==Political corpse==
	:Very nice :). Thank you. ''']]''' 10:31, 28 February 2008 (UTC)
			Thank you, chap! :) Yes, I have simultaneously made a Russian version of the article. --] (]) 09:56, 10 September 2008 (UTC)
			==Question==
	::I am tempted to add the Jews, since they were a considerable local autochtonous population, but am not quite sure (especially due the fact that most vanished due to the Holocaust in WWII). Also, what do you think about adding the Magyars? --] (]) 21:46, 28 February 2008 (UTC)
			Hello Balkan, sega gledam vo vrska so mojot pretposleden komentar na ] - jas ne te obvinuvam tuka, tuku naprotiv tebe ti se obrakjam za pomosh i mislenje. Sakam da mi kazesh shto mislish za problemot. Jas potroshiv tolku vreme sobiranje informacii za da napravam ubava opshirna statija, i kolegata Kobra samo doagja i ja pravi statijata grda. Vidi go rasporedot na sliki i strukturata na anegovata verzija. Navistina neznam shto mu smeta, se odnesuva mnogu neracionalno, kako namerno da go pravi ova. Te molam za mislenje. I would ask you to visit the history page of ]. I spend so much time making this article, and this user ] comes and vandalizes the whole text of the article and excludes valuable photos. I would like your opinion on the subject. Regards. --] (]) 00:13, 11 September 2008 (UTC)
			:Izvini što sum zafaten ovie dena; nemam vreme da čitam dve celi statii za NOB. Navistina ne svakjam kako možat sliki da bidat tooolku važni, ama pak, ne sum gledal. Isto taka, grdo/ubavo ne e glavna tema vo enciklopedička diskusija. Gledaj kaj ''informaciite''. Dali toa što sakaš da stoi vo statijata e od neutralna gledna točka. Dali Kobra ima izbrišeno važni informacii, ili samo zborovi - t.e. dali informaciite ušte stojat, samo vo pokratka forma? Dali izvorite se neutralni? Ova treba sebesi da se prašuvaš. Ili možeš da prašuvaš nekoj korisnik koj znae za borbi da gi čita dvete verzii. ''']]'''<sup>]</sup> 06:59, 11 September 2008 (UTC)
	:::BTW what the hell are ] and ]? Are there really such ethnic groups (can't say from the articles) - it's the first time I've heard of them. --'''] <sup>]</sup>''' 21:52, 28 February 2008 (UTC)
			==MKD==
	::::The Ianyevs are colonists from the ] that have moved to the center of the Serbian Medieval Realm as miners practically seven centuries ago. They have survived in Kosovo until the Albanian KLA's guerrilla attacks, after which most of them fled to Croatia.
	::::The Succi are a large Slavic ethnic group with very deep roots. They formed a majority in ] and have had significant populations in ]. --] (]) 18:14, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
			If something new comes up I'll edit that first and see what you think of it first. But I don't think there is much I could add at the moment. Thanks ] (]) 14:25, 12 September 2008 (UTC)
	I will add the Magyars, but this is (by some definitions) going into Central Europe now......BTW they don't ''have'' to be ethnic groups, it's just that ethnicity (and the corresponding nationalism) is a big, if not, ''the'' reason that the Balkans can be sickening. ''']]''' 10:27, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
			== Image:550px-Greece linguistic minoritiesb copy.jpg listed for deletion ==
	:It's because of ] (Serbia's northern province), which is a ''whole'' Balkannalia on its own. It is a history of Serb-Magyar melting connections and a large Hungarian population is there, whose language is official (next to ''four'' other languages officially, and one more de facto). --] (]) 18:19, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
			An image or media file that you uploaded or altered, ], has been listed at ]. Please see the ] to see why this is (you may have to search for the title of the image to find its entry), if you are interested in it not being deleted. {{#if:|{{{2}}}|Thank you.}} ] (]) 14:17, 14 September 2008 (UTC) <!-- Template:Idw -->
	::Yeah, it really is crazy on that peninsula. ''']]''' 02:03, 1 March 2008 (UTC)		:Can't be arsed voting. Just tell me how it goes. ''']]''' 08:34, 15 September 2008 (UTC)
	== You got me ==		== Sources ==
			Hi. I was wondering if you know of any sources from purblished academics who support the Macedonian position in the naming dispute in terms of historical rights, the non-Greekness of Macedonia, etc ] (]) 07:08, 15 September 2008 (UTC)
	You got it first by 2 seconds! :-) Cheers! ]] 08:31, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
			: I don;t know what your stance on this issue is. My great area of interest is early medieval Balkan history and 'ethnogenesis'. Basically I want to make the ] article more neutral, which seems to always be an uphill struggle. ] (]) 09:03, 15 September 2008 (UTC)
	:Hehe. Good to see we're on the same side ;)''']]''' 08:35, 29 February 2008 (UTC)		LOL. Majtap. Does that not mean " a mess" ? So you are a mixture of everything ? ] (]) 10:46, 15 September 2008 (UTC)
	== Latin Europe ==		== MPO ==
	Yes, I was going to reply but then Dahn in the article's talk page is trying to clarify things. See you! ] (]) 09:34, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
			I am trying to get in contact with the Board of Directors of the organizations. It seems when they were founded in 1922 (by immigrants who mostly fled in 1903, before macedonia was liberated), many of the people were subscribing to the Bulgarian-Macedonian paradigm, which at that time probably meant more Slav-Macedonian, as the main purpose was to differentiate themselves from the Greeks. This held for a while, but started to fall apart in 1945 after Macedonia became an independent country, then many of the MPO started to realize that they don't have all that much in common with the Bulgarians after all, and now they had their own independent country they much more preferred to identify with. By the 1980s they were almost completely clear of pro-bulgarian sentiments and ever since are fervent supporters of separate and independent Macedonian nation and republic.
	== Re: user:202.10.89.28 ==
			Anyway, this is mostly anecdotal knowledge, and it would take a lot of research to put this properly sourced in the article, but for now some useful information can be extracted from their web site www.macedonian.org. They have done some admirable charity work in Macedonia. ] (]) 18:19, 14 September 2008 (UTC)
	Restored; sorry about that. Cheers. --] (]) 13:45, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
			It is unfortunate that our diaspora has been so fractured (btw, the United Macedonian Diaspora needs work :). The Macedonians from the Greek part after 1924 had all their names changed to Greek ones, under the Metaxas dictatorship. Some of them changed them back when they immigrated, but most of them did not want to go through the administrative hassle. There are way more Greek and Bulgarian editors on wikipedia, so going head-to-head with them is not the best option. There is lot of POV pushing and weasel words, but a lot can be done by editing the less controversial articles, and adding more articles about the current R.Macedonia. f course, if there is blatant POV and propaganda in Macedonian articles feel free to edit them, and if the 'other' side gangs up and uses vandalism and superior numbers, just start reporting them to all administrators, admin boards, arbitration, etc. ] (]) 18:13, 15 September 2008 (UTC)
	== Serbian/Croatian/Bosnian translation of 'Makedonsko Devojce" ==
			== Macedonia ==
	Hey
	I translated the song 'Macedonian girl' (Makedonsko devojce) into SerboCroatian, as I saw you asking for it on one of the discussion pages. Here it is, so you can add it to the Macedonian and Bulgarian (and English) versions:
			The article says that their source in Albanian parties in Macedonia told them how Macedonia will recognise Kosovo on September 22 and all that in order to solve the current parliamentary crisis. It says that PM Gruevski agreed for this move in order to maintain internal stability because the DPA wouldn't support him otherwise. It also says how the PM will have troubles to explain that to the public which is against such a move but that it will buy him some points regarding the name dispute with Greece. But all in all it's all based on "the source refused to be named", "our sources within Albanian parties" etc. Cheers, --] (]) 10:13, 17 September 2008 (UTC)
	Makedonska djevojcica/curica
	cvijet sareni
	U basti ubrani
	darom poklonjeni
			== ] ==
	Dal' postoji na ovom bijelom svijetu
			Ги гледаш муабетите во последниот дел на страницата за дискусија? ] (]) 17:53, 17 September 2008 (UTC)
	Ljepse curice od Makedonke
	Nema, nema nece se roditi
	ljepsa curica od Makedonke
			aha :) ] (]) 19:15, 18 September 2008 (UTC)
			== funny ==
	Nema zvijezda sjajnijih
			I just read your entire talk page. i was crackin' up from laughter.. i forgot that[REDACTED] contribution can be entertaining ] (]) 19:30, 18 September 2008 (UTC)
	od tvojih ociju
	Da su nocu na nebu
	Dan bi svanuo
			== Your Polish alphabet ==
			I think you have a contradiction on your subpage ]. In the charts, you have Л for /w/ and Љ for /l/, but in the description underneath the charts you have it reversed. I assume one of them is a mistake. If it were up to me, I'd say that Л for /w/ and Љ for /l/ makes more sense because it's in line with how Russian handles things (their "l" sound is actually more like /w/ than like /l/, so when borrowing foreign names they use ЛЬ for /l/.
	Kada kose rasplices
	kao koprina
	ljepa si i ljepsa
	od samovile
			I found you because I have a few Macedonian-related articles on my watchlist; I'm not that knowledgeable about the content but I can do vandalism reversion and reversion of uneducated unuseful edits. I'm an American of half-Greek descent, but that isn't really the reason why I decided to start watching Macedonia articles ... I just tend to drift from topic to topic every few months. Some of the article I edit are things I'm knowledgeable about, but a lot of them aren't. Anyway, nice to meet you. ''<FONT COLOR="#800000"><B>]</B></FONT>'' <sup>]</sup>/<sub>]</sub> 01:04, 21 September 2008 (UTC)
			== What are you, dense? ==
	Kada pjesmu zapjeva
	slavuja natpjeva
	kada kolo zaigra
	srce razigra
			''(cur) (last) 00:46, 21 September 2008 BalkanFever (Talk | contribs) (145,748 bytes) (reveritng poorly sourced (speculation only) crap about macedonia. that's it from me for today. if idiots like alchaemia and the anons revert, get rid of them) (undo)''
	Se nadevam oti si zadovolen od prevodot na SrpskoHrvatski. Pozdrav.] (]) 04:39, 3 March 2008 (UTC)		Insults such as these have no place in Misplaced Pages, and you're kindly asked to stop the charade. --] (]) 01:08, 21 September 2008 (UTC)
			:I must add, ''What are you, dense?'' is a really polite way to point out others' insults. --]<sup>]</sup>
	Blagodaram za porakata. Na stranicite kade si ja postavil pesnata(SH, B, S, H,) se' e vo red, samo vo prviot stih treba da odberes dali da go koristis zborot 'djevojcica' ili 'curica'. Treba da ostavis samo eden od niv, a ne dvata. Znaci: , 'Makedonska djevojcica, cvijet sareni'...ili 'Makedonska curica, cvijet sareni'..
	Samo toa treba da se popravi na site mesta, ostanatoto e dobro. Pozdrav.] (]) 05:36, 4 March 2008 (UTC)
			::First off, don't cry, since you randomly attacked me a few sections up. Second, what charade? Macedonia should not be called an "imminent recogniser", because the amount of speculation in the sources of the (single, I may add) source is laughable. Compare this with the Macedonian MFA, quotes (or lack thereof) from Macedonian politicians, and news from Macedonian media, and what do you see? iNkubusse, would you like to help out? You may as well, since you're actually in Macedonia, and I'm getting tired searching all Macedonian media just to prove something to trolls that won't listen anyway. ''']]''' 07:07, 21 September 2008 (UTC)
			:::Sure, I can at least try to be helpful. Just tell me what to do exactly. :) I mean, what kind of quotes to look for. By the way, I wouldn't be surprised if this shitty state recognises Kosovo imminently, but I also wouldn't include that in the article, because the sources are weak. Crvenkovski probably just got drunk and God knows what happened. :P --]<sup>]</sup> 11:19, 21 September 2008 (UTC)
	I uste nesto, vo SrpskoHrvatskiot jazik moze da se prasuva na 2 nacina:a)-Dali postoji...? i b) Postoji li...(Jeli postoji..)?, taka, sto mozes da gi koristis i 2-ta nacina vo prevodot na nekoi delovi od pesnata. 'Dal' postoji..' mi se cini poprikladno za ovaa prilika, t.e. podobro se vklopuva vo ritmot na pesnata.
	Sto se odnesuva na bugarskiot prevod, mislam oti ne e celosno tocno prevedena na bugarski, a prvo sto pagja vo oci e partiklata 'ke', koja vo bugarskiot jazik e 'shte'. Ne govoram standarden bugarski i ne bi mozel da ti pomognam vo toj prevod, ama mislam oti ke se najde nekoj da gi ispravi nekolkute greski vo taa verzija na pesnata. Pozdrav.] (]) 03:08, 6 March 2008 (UTC)
			::::Basically "Македонија (утре ќе) ја признава Косово." or something to that effect, preferably from Nikola, Branko or Antonio, or anyone else ''reliable'' (in this context) i.e. not Ali, Menduh or Imer. ''']]''' 12:03, 21 September 2008 (UTC)
	== Mass rapes in the Bosnian war ==
			:::::Oh, that of course goes for the exact opposite too. ''']]''' 12:12, 21 September 2008 (UTC)
	It's mostly OK, just a little POV. For instance it states makes no such (20,000-44,000) estimate or strict claims. Frankly, I'm dubious about that number, it seems unsourced. --] (]) 19:37, 3 March 2008 (UTC)
			::::::Брат, јас ти одговорив уште тогаш кога ми пиша ти последен пат, ама по грешка стиснав alt+F4 за нешто друго, и ми пропадна целиот текст, па се изнервирав и баталив некое време. Накратко, I'm workin' on it. ;) Како што гледаш од Авала, Владата нема што да каже во врска со тоа, а да не зборуваме одлучно да изјави дека ќе го признава Косово тогаш-и-тогаш. Јас мислам дека Владата нема да каже ништо децидно сè до денот кога всушност ќе го признава, што значи дека нема место на Википедија за такви (дез)информации. Поздрав. --]<sup>]</sup> 22:48, 23 September 2008 (UTC)
	:I know what you mean, but I've got no idea for a better title.
	:Also, please see ]. It really seems unsourced. --] (]) 12:57, 5 March 2008 (UTC)
	== Ants ==		== Gruevski has spoken ==
			Gruevski has spoken on the issue of Kosovo and recognition speculations - . Could you update the article? Thanks, --] (]) 18:00, 21 September 2008 (UTC)
	Thanks. The disambiguation just came up automatically when i made that Pen'kovko culture redirects to Ants. If you know how to get rid of it, please feel free. ] (]) 04:54, 5 March 2008 (UTC)
	:yep, that's it. Thanks mate ] (]) 06:05, 5 March 2008 (UTC)		:I would have added it but in the case I mistranslated some fine detail I would risk of being accused of falsifying and whatnot so I decided to wait for you. Cheers --] (]) 15:40, 22 September 2008 (UTC)
	I guess i could. Don;t know if i can get the ''same'' format, because i use a different blank template, but i could try. What is it for ? I must say, it is not something i ''want'' to draw, if you gather my drift . . .] (]) 06:20, 5 March 2008 (UTC)
			== thanks ==
	Sure. I use it from THom Lessman (another user) http://www.thomaslessman.com/History/images/blank-East-Hem.jpg.
	If , i get around to it, i don;t mind giving it a whack
			im glad to be back. ] (]) 08:32, 23 September 2008 (UTC)
	== Identity ==
	<sub>originally moved from ]</sub>
			== Please stop personal attacks on Greek contributers ==
	Not to be pedantic, but doesn't BalkanFever self-identify as an ethnic Aromanian of Australian nationality? ] (]) 18:49, 6 March 2008 (UTC)
			The title of to me said "greek nationalists try to emphasize significance bt lets let the non-retarded decide"
	:LOL. I also identify as a future Bulgarian citizen. And remember how someone who speaks Greek and likes Greece is Greek? Well there is your parallel. And technically you can't call me a Slav at all :-D. Which means you can't call around 240,000 of those Македонци in the census Slavs either. ''']]''' 09:58, 7 March 2008 (UTC)
			Although you seem to be trying to obfuscate you are a FYROM nationalist to other Misplaced Pages contributers your obsessive anti-Greek editing history makes it quite clear . That's not a crime but I don't appreciate your continued name calling me (e.g. "non-retarded"). Misplaced Pages's code of conduct explicitly states ]. I'd appreciate it if you could stick to article discussions. ] (]) 01:50, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
			:Funny how people complain to me about my personal attacks by using personal attacks. Do you fail to see that I was paraphrasing you? Anyway, everything is in my first edit summary. That ''has'' been taken out of context, and you should get a reliable source talking about it, not some "evidence" from nationalist outlets. ''']]''' 02:09, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
	::The Vlachs, you mean? No, of course not, they are Latin-speaking (ex-)Greeks... Correct me if I'm wrong, but the Власи are a completely separate category from the "Македонци" in the census anyway. It's just the accursed Грци and Бугари who are denied that distinction. ] (]) 10:02, 7 March 2008 (UTC)
			You say that I said a personal attack but I haven't. Despite that you try to hide it...you do appear to be a FYROM nationalist (or do you deny it?). Misplaced Pages's code of conduct also explicitly states mentioning someone is a nationalist (a potential conflict-of-interest) isn't abusive whereas calling someone "retarded" certainly is no gray are)
	:::According to Greek sources there were 250,000 Vlachs in 1994. But there were under 10,000 in 2002. And we didn't get any more Greeks, and we didn't just lose 1/8 of our population, therefore those Vlachs feel Macedonian (not ''Slavic'' Macedonian, because that wouldn't make sense). There are Грци and Бугари in the country - and they are free to write it on the census, which they do. You might argue that they're being "Macedonised" by those "evil Skopjans" but the fact remains. ''']]''' 10:13, 7 March 2008 (UTC)
			Despite that Misplaced Pages allows for it, I would prefer to avoid using the word "nationalist" myself (at least when dealing with you one-on-one) but it's kind of hard to do when at every chance you, a FYROM nationalist, swing that at me (and you started it in your edits by the way). If you enjoy being called a nationalist yourself... keep doing it. If you stop characterizing me like that I will do the same for you. Again...your call.
	::::But there aren't enough of them to be mentioned explicitly. Only a few hundred or so, right? We believe you. By the way, if the majority of Vlachs prefer to identify as "Macedonians" rather than "Vlachs" in the census, does that not mean they have assimilated to a Slavic ethnic group? ] (]) 10:17, 7 March 2008 (UTC)
			Despite your assurances that FYROM's PM Gruveski knelling in front of a large map of ] a foot in front of him has somehow been taken out of context (which incidentally I didn't say anything on the matter just provide a link to the image).... you offer absolute no evidence to back up your claim.
	:::::I wonder what I put on my census form...I guess I'm Germano-Celtic. LOL if the census in the Republic of Macedonia is rigged, why are the Albanian numbers increasing? ''']]''' 10:21, 7 March 2008 (UTC)
			This isn't some casual mistake by someone insignificant. This is the leader of an entire country bowing down to a map showing a third of someone else's country occupied. Many people would consider that an act of war (or at the very least political incompetence considering how sensitive the issues between FYROM and Greece these days). It was certainly newsworthy. However, before reverting it back I will give you an opportunity to explain how such an extreme photograph can be been "taken out of context" and why Wikipedians shouldn't be allowed to know about it so as to judge the significance of this international incident for themselves). ] (]) 02:52, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
	::::::Future Bulgarian citizen, eh? Shouldn't you be applying for a Roumanian passport instead? ] (]) 10:25, 7 March 2008 (UTC)
	:::::::If the Bulgarian government is stupid enough to let me in, I honestly don't care. But you do have a point, I think I'll get a Romanian one too. Come to think of it, the Greek government can give me one as well. ''']]''' 10:31, 7 March 2008 (UTC)		:Yes, it was stupid of him to do it. He should have known the Greek media and Greek nationalists are a few sandwiches short of a picnic. And of course it was out of context. Tell me, whose monument is it? What was their objective (wiki article on them isn't great btw)? Was he kneeling to the monument or the map? And if it was an international incident, how come only Greek media outlets (including lobbyists) reported it? ''']]''' 03:03, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
			What are you trying to achieve here Balkanfever? Are you so obsessed in your hatred of Greeks that you can't see your statements like "a few sandwiches short of picnic" is outright bigotry directed against Greeks? (let me guess.. you also deny ''Alexander the Great'' was Greek too right?)
	::::::::No, the Vlachs aren't Greeks, remember? ] (]) 10:59, 7 March 2008 (UTC)
			Rather than arguing the photograph is "out of context" (or screaming "nationalist" every time some fact disagrees with your world view).... why don't you instead try to coherently explain the FYROM nationalist viewpoint. How can such an extreme photograph be taken out of context?
	:::::::::Exactly. ''']]''' 11:03, 7 March 2008 (UTC)
			And while you are at it... during a recent FYROM "human rights" parade in Australia a large prominent banner declared (the Solun they are referring to is already the capital of Macedonia... Thessaloníki in Macedonia Greece)
	::::::::::They can't be Greeks but they can be "Macedonians". No conflict there. ] (]) 11:05, 7 March 2008 (UTC)
			Is that "out of context" too? Funny how that keeps happening. ] (]) 03:40, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
	:::::::::::Only the ones that call themselves Greek can be Greeks. Obviously. Only the ones that call themselves Macedonian can be Macedonians. Only the ones that call themselves Australian can be Australians (all 133 of them). It doesn't change the fact that I can get two passports for being the same ethnicity.''']]''' 11:32, 7 March 2008 (UTC)
			:Greek media and Greek nationalists are a subset of Greeks; not all Greeks are "journalists" or nationalists. Unless of course you want to tell me that they are, in which case you should stop insulting your own kind. Why don't you try to explain the Greek nationalist viewpoint? Oh wait, you have, on your userpage. It's not the photograph in itself that is out of context, it's your sorry attempt at an explanation of it, which basically amounts to "look! gruefski n teh fyromz r teh evilz!". And no, that nationalist banner isn't out of context. It's quite irredentist indeed. What do you want me to do about it? Give them a talking to? The problem is that your media and your nationalists try to use something like that as representative of all ethnic Macedonians. I've seen similar posters from Greeks in Australia, the only difference is you'll defend it as "patriotism" or say its a "reaction" to something else, since you're probably the one who makes them. ''']]''' 05:32, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
	::::::::::::Beware we might try to assimilate you :)). Btw I was just going to have a talk with a colleague of mine that happens to be from Veles about the whole Todor Aleksandrov incident when it turned out she was from a Bulgarian family. I was wondering why her family ended in -ova and not in -ski. She seemed too reluctant to give up the secret. She said her family were Macedonians on the censi cause they were scared, and her dad was one the celebration (secretly). What the hell is going on there? If always thought the problem was not serious until I heard that. And don't worry - our government is ''stupid'' enough to give a Bulgarian ID to everyone with Bulgarian roots (take it as you wish). So you've waited to years or paid something to someone ;) (there was such a scandal as well in Bitola) --'''] <sup>]</sup>''' 12:32, 7 March 2008 (UTC)
			::Just out of curiosity, when have you ever seen a "similar poster" from Greeks with maps incorporating territories of neighbouring countries? I'd like to see an example, as you seem to be trying to equate the behaviour of the two communities, when in fact they aren't comparable. ] irredentism is '']'' for ''organized'' "Macedonian" communities around the world; it simply isn't for the Greeks. As for Gruevski, your attempt to defend him is hilarious. He's not the bloody chairman of ], for fuck's sake; he's the elected leader of a sovereign state, and should start behaving accordingly.&nbsp;<small>·]·</small> 08:02, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
	:::::::::::::I wonder how many people feel like your friend in Greece. ''']]''' 23:43, 7 March 2008 (UTC)
			:::At the Australian Open. Some retard was holding a banner about Constantinople and Smyrna. And it said something about Enosis, since he came to see that "patriot" Baghdatis. Oh I'm sure your leaders are great people. The "Macedonian" Karamanlis is the leader of a sovereign ''multi-ethnic'' state, why isn't he acting like one? ''']]''' 08:16, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
	::::::::::::Because "Macedonians" are really Bulgarians, you mean? Yeah, lucky you, though only one of the two passports really counts for much. Actually, one can be Aromanian ''and'' Macedonian ''and'' Greek ''and'' Australian. And I'm sure there are many more than 133 of them. With close to a million Greeks in Australia, tens if not hundreds of thousands would fit that description. ] (]) 12:36, 7 March 2008 (UTC)
			::::I knew you'd bring that up, which is why I stressed ''organized'' in my initial post. It's always the Australian Open, and always Baghdatis. It must really bother you to see a Cypriot who isn't ashamed of being Greek (unfathomable, I know) play at such an élite level. The rally led by the "Solun will be the capital of Macedonia again" banner was sponsored by the organized "Macedonian" communities there, no? You could be one of the guys holding it, for all I know. The guy on the right with the bad sideburns, perhaps? As for Karamanlis, I'm no fan either, but I don't get what ''your'' beef is. Did I miss his laying a wreath before a map of the ] cessions? If anything, Greek leaders are usually accused of the ''opposite''; laying the obligatory wreath at Atatürk's mausoleum when visiting Ankara, for example.&nbsp;<small>·]·</small> 08:29, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
	No, because Romania and Greece both consider Aromanians as a subgroup of Romanians and Greeks respectively. They can go about thinking that is the truth, and giving me passports, but how could it possibly change that I am neither Romanian nor Greek? With the Republic of Macedonia, I have a passport for reasons other than ethnicity. With Bulgaria, I'm sure they will assume I'm ethnic Macedonian, because I have a Macedonian passport, therefore meaning (to them) I have Bulgarian roots. So you say along the 133 "Vlachs" of Australia, there are Vlachs who consider themselves Greeks - and? Of the Macedonian Australians (not the kind that you like) there are some Vlachs as well. Some of the Serbs here are Cincars. Some of those who write Australian on the census are Aromanians. The Aromanians are probably the most assimilable people from the Balkans. If they have been assimilated into every ethnic group of the Balkans, and even the diaspora (not the same as the Greek diaspora) has been assimilated, what does that make them? It makes them whatever they individually call themselves (Macedonian (not the kind you like), German, Greek, French, Australian) and they can individually say they are Aromanian/of Aromanian origin or they can not. It does not make them whatever you (and your government) feels like calling them. ''']]''' 23:43, 7 March 2008 (UTC)
			:::::Not really, they basically just said "come and protest". Nobody said "bring a Greek flag to burn" either, and yet some idiots did. My beef is the denial of the existence of any minorities in Greece, if you haven't realised. Not just the ethnic Macedonians, the others too. And be sure, I got rid of my sideburns long ago. Not that they were bad or anything ;). ''']]''' 08:44, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
	:I think you've misunderstood. Greece wouldn't give you or any self-declared (non-Greek) "Macedonian" a passport, even if your parents were born in Greece. The ''Greeks'' of Albania have had a hard enough time securing Greek citizenship, and their ethnicity isn't disputed by anybody. In other words, Greece is not hell-bent on Hellenizing minority groups in neighbouring countries, as you seem to be implying. The Aromanians of Albania are a special case, espousing as they do a Greek identity in large part. But we know that the assimilation campaign has worked fabulously on you guys, to the point where you're now ''plus royaliste que le roi''. That said, there must be some Vlachs who resisted the pressure to abandon their traditional Greek identity, so I wouldn't want to paint the entire community with the same brush. I agree with you wholeheartedly that the Aromanians are, ultimately, whatever they choose to be, and I wouldn't dream of calling or even offering to call you a Greek. The majority of Vlachs, however, in Australia and elsewhere, ''do'' consider themselves Greeks, and that option should remain open to all, including your fellow "Macedonian" Vlachs, even if you find it disagreeable. ] (]) 05:02, 8 March 2008 (UTC)
			::::::I do know the old guy on the far right though, speaks fluent Greek. Interesting. ''']]''' 08:47, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
			::::::Did they ever try to confiscate the offensive material or sanction the culprits? No. On the contrary, the delightful banner was leading the irredentist fuckfest. That's what I mean. As for Greece's minorities, what right does an Australian citizen have to tell another country how to conduct its internal affairs? Your treatment of the Aborigines is hardly commendable, even if Australia ''does'' recognizes their existence. Their life expectancy is more comparable to that of the Third World. What's more important, ultimately? Do your diaspora activists seriously believe the "Macedonians" of "Lerin" would have a better quality of life in a United Macedonia?&nbsp;<small>·]·</small> 08:57, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
	::But they do have the option - they just don't. They ''could'' be scared, but saying "don't be scared" won't really change much. They really do choose to be Macedonian - or they choose to be Vlach (they don't see a connection to Greeks). Maybe some of them are confused and think "Macedonian" means Greek :D. With the passport, though, do I actually have to tell them I'm from the north? Can't I just say "I'm Vlach" and let them assume that makes me Greek? ''']]''' 05:23, 8 March 2008 (UTC)
			:::::::How fluent is "fluent"? Can he pronounce the ] without choking on his capsicum?&nbsp;<small>·]·</small> 08:57, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
			::::::::What do you want me to say about the Aborigines? That they're fine and dandy? They aren't. And the guy is more fluent than this Athenian I know. Poor kid renders /r/ as /ɹ/. ''']]''' 09:12, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
	:::Yes, most probably don't see a connection to Greeks - any more. But can you really speak for all of them? Assuming you were born in Australia, you would have to produce documents proving your ancestors' connection to Greece. And unless at least one grandparent actually holds Greek citizenship, that would be nigh impossible. As mentioned above, Greeks from Albania who have been living ''in Greece'' for the past 20 years are still waiting for their Greek passports. Furthermore, my guess is the "Македонија" littered all over your parents' birth certificates might induce some queasiness in the Greek consular staff. ] (]) 05:41, 8 March 2008 (UTC)
			:::::::::He must be a Gheg Albanian, or have a speech impediment. By the way, you probably shouldn't be compromising people's identities on the Internet. You never know ] could be watching.&nbsp;<small>·]·</small> 09:21, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
	::::Well then I guess I'll have to settle for Bulgarian and possibly Romanian then. As you very well know, this will be the only way I'll become European any time soon.{{unsigned|BalkanFever}}
			::::::::::As for the Aborigines, the point I was trying to make was that recognition of a minority is not only not a panacea, it doesn't even improve their lives. My personal opinion is that ethnicity, like religion, should be a private matter of no interest or consequence to the state. ''Id est'' the French model. Recognizing a minority means you officially tag them as The Other, leaving them vulnerable to all sorts of discrimination. Demanding recognition as a "Macedonian" minority is even worse. No, BF, Greece will not separate the population of Macedonia into "Macedonians" and non-"Macedonians". They are ''all'' Macedonians.&nbsp;<small>·]·</small> 09:32, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
	:::::Will Bulgaria approve your application if you're not of Slavic (i.e. "Bulgarian") origin? I remember reading somewhere that having a "Macedonian" passport is not enough to become a Bulgarian citizen; ethnic Albanians, for example, are invariably rejected. ] (]) 05:52, 8 March 2008 (UTC)
	::::::Well, that would depend on what my parents wrote in the census, I guess. ''']]''' 06:00, 8 March 2008 (UTC)		:::::::::::I'm sure the Albanians (everywhere) would love that. Why should the Macedonian government separate the population of Macedonia as Macedonians and non-Macedonians? They're all Macedonians. ''']]''' 09:58, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
			::::::::::::Because it has no choice but to perpetuate the demonstrably failed minority policies of successive Yugoslav régimes? Don't ask me, I don't really know or care. Our Macedonia is not a former Yugoslav republic, though it did come close. I can sympathize with the resentment felt by the Slavs of the "Republic of Macedonia" over having to indulge every minority under the sun, but it's not Greece's fault.&nbsp;<small>·]·</small> 10:01, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
	:::::::It depends on your name mostly ;) . I'll try to do a little research on the subject. --'''] <sup>]</sup>''' 17:27, 8 March 2008 (UTC)
			:It's not like bieng cocky will change the situation. But it is interesting that Kekrops has become more a since the last time i left. I feel like siding with the turks '''за инает'''!. :) Anyway there is no point in speculating about the macedonians in greece or the aboriginals. ] (]) 07:53, 26 September 2008 (UTC)
	::::::::Found anything yet? ''']]''' 03:23, 15 March 2008 (UTC)
			::The part about the Bulgarians wasn't added by me, but I don't see what's wrong with it. If they can call the region Беломорска Македония, why not its former Slavic population something along those lines?&nbsp;<small>·]·</small> 12:41, 26 September 2008 (UTC)
	:::::::::Seriously, why would you want to take out the citizenship of a country with which you don't identify? Wouldn't it be an affront to your ancient Macedonian identity to bear a passport of one of the Four Wolves? Bizarre. ] (]) 04:31, 15 March 2008 (UTC)
			==YO==
	Pretty much because one of those four wolves likes to veto. So the Vlachs are ancient Macedonians now? Good for you. Seriously, do you think my identity is that fragile? "Аз съм български државянин"<!-- Laveol, feel free to correct this :) --> - ''oh no''! If it's on paper it ''must'' be true. Please. And you can talk, what with you considering my identity an affront to yours and all. ''']]''' 07:33, 15 March 2008 (UTC)
			Pls take a look !!! --] (]) 07:41, 26 September 2008 (UTC) P.S. Како е? Што има ново?
			:Сѐ е по старо; ти? Не знам што можам да придонесувам до таа статија, освен една шлакајнца за детено. ''']]''' 09:50, 26 September 2008 (UTC)
	:Sorry, ]? Yes, I ''can'' talk; I'm not the one taking out a "Macedonian" passport, which would be the equivalent. Do you think I could, given that I self-identify as Macedonian? For a laugh, I actually gave the Archaeological Museum in Skopje a call the other day to clarify the official party line. I was pleasantly surprised to learn that the ancient Macedonians spoke а language which later developed into Vlach, and that the etymon of ''Macedonia'' was not μακεδνός (silly me) but the "very old Macedonian word" мак, meaning "]" or "opium". Clearly. Strangely, my Serbian friends later confirmed that the exact same word exists in Serbian, so I guess that makes them Macedonians too. You'll let anyone have a go but the Greeks, it seems. ] (]) 08:03, 15 March 2008 (UTC)
			::English only, especially when you discuss other editors, please. --'''] <sup>]</sup>''' 21:00, 26 September 2008 (UTC)
	::Well you should have done that and told me ]. ''']]''' 08:12, 15 March 2008 (UTC)
			== bulgarian dialects? ==
	:::Exactly. When your own PM abandons his glorious ancient Macedonian heritage in favour of the inferior "Tatar Mongoloids", you have to ask ''yourself'' how fragile your identity really is... ] (]) 08:15, 15 March 2008 (UTC)
			what happened?
	::::Not very. ''']]''' 08:18, 15 March 2008 (UTC)
			apparently the bulgarian language streches up to ] :S!
			another POV page: ]
			] (]) 07:56, 26 September 2008 (UTC)
			:Well, I was the one calling for that article for a while, when everyone was on my back for the Macedonian dialects. I was under the (idiotic) impression that it could be done well, and neutrally, leaving the "Macedonian is Bulgarian" agenda behind, with transitional dialects treated as such if need be. Unfortunately, the entire aim of the article seems to be to support that fringe view. You can't hold a dialogue with them either, because none of them understand English or Macedonian well enough, no matter how much they say they do. ''']]''' 10:13, 26 September 2008 (UTC)
	:::::Come on. Consciously boosting Bulgaria's demographic strength, and via the EU's population-based cohesion funds, its wealth as well, can hardly be helping the "Macedonist" cause. ] (]) 08:22, 15 March 2008 (UTC)
			:: Lol you have a point, they seem to forget when the dialogue begins. I also called for such a page ages ago. but that page is way too propaganda. Apparantly 2 transitional dialects were not enough ] is also now transitional?? :S?
	::::::So now I identify as Macedonist. Or is anyone who identifies in a way that you don't like a Macedonist? ''']]''' 08:29, 15 March 2008 (UTC)
			I just read your user page, feel sorry for you. It seems like you do or write something and everyone looks for an explanation lol. People need to get lives lol. You know the propaganda will never end! ] (]) 10:43, 26 September 2008 (UTC)
			:::Nah, leave the Solun thing. If it can be done to focus on the ''linguistics'' it's fine. Macedonian variants being added for comparison is a good idea, but I must admit I am confused about the orthography being used for the dialectal words. I think we (everybody) can actually get somewhere with this article :) ''']]''' 10:49, 26 September 2008 (UTC)
	:::::::Anyone who identifies with the existence of a "Macedonian" nation is a "Macedonist". Just like Greeks have an attachment to Hellenism. Is it necessarily pejorative? Or are you automatically offended by anything a Greek tells you? ] (]) 08:40, 15 March 2008 (UTC)
			: Yeah, Bulgarian contributors don't speak one bit English and their Macedonian is appalling, you can't communicate with them because they're retarded, backward and underdeveloped. Oh, wait. But yeah, sucks to be Bulgarian in this world of united Macedonia from Tokyo to London :) By the way, the Bulgarian language would stretch up to ] to the west and the ] to the south, so Florina (''Lerin''? Irredentist! :P) isn't really where it ended. Propagandalf to death!
	::::::::It is used in a negative/pejorative/polemic sense by Greeks and Bulgarians. I know this, and I don't expect anyone, much less you, to use it in a positive or neutral sense. And don't add the quotes after I respond - they play a role in semantics. By the way, one does not need to think of their nation's cause (if that really is what you meant) for everything they do. Getting a Bulgarian citizenship is purely for ''me''; I will benefit. If you think I'm undermining my identity, which you dismiss as fake anyway, I really don't care. ''']]''' 09:00, 15 March 2008 (UTC)
			: Now, face the facts and get to understand that life isn't as cool as you'd like it to be. People in modern northern Greece don't speak your language and neither do they speak ours: whether you call them Bulgarian or Macedonian, those dialects are next to dead. It's like two jackals contesting a cadaver. No point in calling for revert squad reinforcements over a cadaver, right?
			: Quit the generalizations and leave the stereotypes behind, then we can talk. It's very sad that purely Macedonian dialects in Greece and Bulgaria (''pardon?'') suddenly become transitional, but life's hard :S '']]]'' 11:19, 26 September 2008 (UTC)
			::Aha, aha, yet you speak our language as "native". Right. Thanks for explaining linguistics, world geography and the meaning of life to me, Dr. High School dropout. Really, you're like Jesus ({{langx|bg|Исус Христов}}) but better. ''']]''' 11:34, 26 September 2008 (UTC)
	:::::::::The quotes pertain to my rejection of the name "Macedonian" for the ethnonation, not the existence of a "Macedonist" ideology, which I certainly don't dispute. So it's only here that you feel you have to defend the national cause, not the real world? Fine with me. If only your national leaders did the same, we would've solved this dispute years ago. Moving right along, do you think you could find out if my Macedonian identity qualifies me for a poppy-land passport? I'm genuinely curious. Фала. ] (]) 09:18, 15 March 2008 (UTC)
			::: Your language is my language too. I respect the fact that the Macedonian literary form has been codified on a Serbian typewriter and stuffed with Serbian loanwords, but it's probably closer to the standard Bulgarian literary form than Banat Bulgarian, which I speak and write less natively than Macedonian :) Really bad guesses about my qualifications and likeness to Jesus though. All the best, '']]]'' 14:19, 26 September 2008 (UTC)
	When one small instance of ''not defending'' (as opposed to actively undermining) the national cause benefits me, I will receive the benefits, because I am selfish sometimes. And don't play dumb - after all it was '''your''' national(ist) leaders with their "No Macedonia" position that fucked up everything. I will do some research for you, because I am curious as well, but I doubt you can become a citizen. ''']]''' 09:32, 15 March 2008 (UTC)		::::So you haven't dropped out yet and you suck compared to Jesus. Good to know. ''']]''' 14:33, 26 September 2008 (UTC)
			::::As a Greek I'm probably in no position to ask, but I will anyway. Why do Bulgarians even want these guys to belong to them so badly? I don't see how any future incorporation into Bulgaria of the even poorer Vardarska will benefit them in any meaningful way.&nbsp;<small>·]·</small> 14:47, 26 September 2008 (UTC)
	:Hardly small, but that's open to interpretation. It is ''the'' document by which you will officially have to identify yourself to the rest of Europe. "I know my passport says ''Bulgarian'', but I'm actually not." ¿Perdón?
			:::::Well it's not all of them, only the retards. ''']]''' 14:53, 26 September 2008 (UTC)
	:I prefer to think that the hijacking of the name by the Yugoslav Communists was what fucked everything up in the first place. Thanks in advance for the research, but you're probably right. So much for VMRO's stated aim of a Macedonia for all Macedonians, regardless of national origins... ] (]) 09:45, 15 March 2008 (UTC)
			::::::The way I see it, if Montenegrin can be its own bloody language, good luck to you.&nbsp;<small>·]·</small> 14:56, 26 September 2008 (UTC)
	::I think I'll find a way - "I know it says Bulgarian, but I'm actually Turkish" works for some I guess. You do realise that we will go in circles many more times - you have your opinion and I have mine. But as long as we get some form of knowledge out of it (as I have with Greek citizenship and phonology), it has a benefit. And I'm all for benefits ;-). ''']]''' 10:10, 15 March 2008 (UTC)
			:::::::Please, no more yellow bars for today. ''']]''' 15:01, 26 September 2008 (UTC)
	:::You're a curious bunch that have always fascinated me, I'll give you that. I understand your position thoroughly, but I still reject it. The key to a more harmonious future lies in achieving some sort of compromise. The capitulation of the Greek side is not the solution, as you seem to believe. ] (]) 10:13, 15 March 2008 (UTC)
			::::: First, we all suck compared to Jesus, I hope Fever isn't utterly offended :P Second, I'm not an irredentist and I respect everyone's right to self-determination. I'm just asking them to respect our common history because denial and propaganda lead to nowhere. Whether the Most Serene Republic is poor or not is their own problem, that's for them to solve, we have our own problems too, although not as severe. To be honest, the best and only solution would be ] which Fever also supports, but it need not come wholeheartedly and unconditionally. In order for that to happen, the Most Serene Republic will have to quit the propaganda (per Bulgaria's request) and adopt a better name (per Greece's request). EU membership is a catharsis for this country: will they leave anti-Bulgarianism behind and join us in united Europe or will they live on isolated in their imaginary Yugoslavian fairy tale while being overtaken as the dominant ethnicity by a ]? '']]]'' 15:02, 26 September 2008 (UTC)
			::::::When did Macedonia become ]? Seriously though, leave the bar alone. ''']]''' 15:14, 26 September 2008 (UTC)
			== Max/Ip 84 ==
	::::I am fine with compromise, but it is not up to us to decide (or might you be our good friend ]?) ''']]''' 10:32, 15 March 2008 (UTC)
	:::::The Massive Macedonian? You think? ] (]) 10:39, 15 March 2008 (UTC)		is getting, annoying, right?--] (]) 12:49, 29 September 2008 (UTC)
	::::::Sure, why not. ''']]''' 10:49, 15 March 2008 (UTC)		:Damn right. ''']]''' 12:50, 29 September 2008 (UTC)
			::first it was avala; though that atleast went through some of the rules, then tocino, now we have somebody SUPPORTING the kosovars that is annoying... what next?--] (]) 12:53, 29 September 2008 (UTC)
			:::Never really payed enough attention to whether the others were annoying, but the next one will probably end up being me, just because I will have stopped caring what I reply to.... ;) ''']]''' 13:09, 29 September 2008 (UTC)
			Please no personal attacks.] (]) 14:54, 29 September 2008 (UTC)
	I've noticed Russian sometimes employs accents too, particularly for the first mention of a name or word, e.g. ]. Do you know if this applies to all Cyrillic orthographies? If so, Ко́стас Караманли́с could one day be the leader of all Macedonians. ] (]) 12:14, 15 March 2008 (UTC)
	:We don't have accents for emphasis, but we do have accents for disambiguation in some words. For instance, се is part of a reflexive verb, whereas сѐ means "everything". Сѐ ќе се стори = Everything will work (itself) out. We also have и which means "and" and ѝ which is feminine possessive. You may have also noticed the acute accent on ], but that is considered a ]. Same with ] and ]. As far as I know, Serbian and Bulgarian don't use any accents at all. I would expect Ukrainian and Belarusian to be influenced by Russian, but I'm not sure about them. ''']]''' 07:07, 16 March 2008 (UTC)		:Please, don't waste my time with Macedonia. The next time you add something it better be completed recognition, not some more crap. ''']]''' 14:58, 29 September 2008 (UTC)
			Why do you say such things?] (]) 15:00, 29 September 2008 (UTC)
	::Wrong - we do the и thing, too ;) . Btw surely I don't think you'll ever become Bulgarian. And it is kind of "hijacking the system" when you lie about your self-identification. From my experience I've seen that Macedonians (ethnic) are one of the most nationalistic (no offense) groups. There might be a few reasons for this which I won't mention (it's a delicate matter, isn't it). But, you know, in my first year in university we had 5 or 6 students from RoM. One of them was called Македонка (Macedonian (feminine)) and we were absolutely stunned to find out this was her name. It was like they named her Macedonian just in case someone might take her for something else (guess what). And imagine how even more stunned we became when she told us (just after she introduced herself) something about the great ''Macedonian'' king ] - and that without any provocation from our side. She just told 50 students which had passed an exam in history one of the biggest jokes ever. In two weeks or so she left. <br> And there is another great story. There was a meeting of Balkan students in Serbia last month (a day or two prior to Kosovo's self-proclamation). A friend of mine was there (not a colleague from my uni) and he came back stunned as well. What happened was that the participants from RoM didn't even want to talk to those from Bulgaria. They had a great scandal with the Albanians which is explainable, but just after that they had a scandal with the Serbs as well (wow!!!). The reasons were nationalistic and the Macedonians (ethnic) virtually isolated themselves (except for one of them). And even more interesting was the fact that Bulgarians, '''Serbs and Albanians''' parted all night together (no Greeks at the meeting - don't know why). That explains a lot in my opinion. --'''] <sup>]</sup>''' 18:06, 16 March 2008 (UTC)
			:Because you are annoying and don't understand anything I say. ''']]''' 02:44, 30 September 2008 (UTC)
	:::They're not all like that. I have a good friend from Ohrid who happily accepts the Bulgarian heritage of his hometown and the Greek heritage of ancient Macedonia, loves Bulgarian and Greek music and thinks we should all just get along. ] (]) 06:32, 17 March 2008 (UTC)
			I'm understanding everything and I'm definitely NOT annoying! Please don't call me that!] (]) 13:25, 30 September 2008 (UTC)
	::::Yeah, I know such guys as well. It's a pitty those with not that strong nationalistic feelings are a minority. --'''] <sup>]</sup>''' 08:33, 17 March 2008 (UTC)
	::::Of course we should. I don't have problems with Greek or Bulgarian individuals. I have a problem with nationalist groups of Greeks and Bulgarians. To be fair, there aren't many Bulgarians in Australia, but I have met enough (nationalist and non-nationalist). You are right, Laveol, I ''am'' hijacking the system, but only because the system is letting me. Essentially, I have the choice of getting a citizenship, or not getting one. The only difference between the two is the EU. Nothing else changes. I really can't vouch for other people - that is their problem, but Macedonians are not a nationalist ethnic group. There are French people called François. The nationalists ''are'' a minority, I can assure you. ''']]''' 08:44, 17 March 2008 (UTC)		:I'll stop calling you annoying when you stop doing annoying things. This includes creating more sections about Macedonia in regards to recognition of Kosovo when nothing has changed. It also includes whining about non-existent "personal attacks", and how much you "are understanding". If you stop that, I don't think I'll have any reason to call you annoying. ''']]''' 13:33, 30 September 2008 (UTC)
			And why I'm doing this? What do you think? Because some stupid people here treat me bad. And please read the sources again, therv are news! ] (]) 14:43, 30 September 2008 (UTC)
	:::::I really hope so. And I hope that the majority will not give the nationalist minority to get too loud. It's starting to get worrying. RoM should really enter NATO at this time, not later and new disputes with its neighbours are less than welcome. --'''] <sup>]</sup>''' 08:52, 17 March 2008 (UTC)
			:They might qualify as "news" for some, but not here. You really need to listen to (read) what people are saying (writing) about your "updates", and try to improve, rather than assuming that they are stupid and they hate you. ''']]''' 14:52, 30 September 2008 (UTC)
	::::::Indeed it should, but that (very) old dispute is still lingering.....{{unsigned|BalkanFever}}
			::He called me stupid... thats a violation of ], as was his edit to this page where he called me a racist.--] (]) 12:47, 2 October 2008 (UTC)
			:::If you want to follow it up, you could go to ] or ]... ''']]''' 12:55, 2 October 2008 (UTC)
	:::::::Don't you think Big Kon has a point when he says that we can't exactly be allies when we have serious oustanding issues to resolve? It is an ''alliance'' Skopje is trying to join, after all. Your statement above is telling: "I don't have problems with Greek or Bulgarian individuals", code for "I do have a problem with Greece and Bulgaria as nation-states". Would Skopje, for example, go to war for Greece and/or Bulgaria? And if the answer is no, is NATO really the right club for you? ] (]) 17:38, 17 March 2008 (UTC)
			== September 2008 ==
	::::::::That is a non-issue, since Greece would only be bordering NATO countries. Who's going to attack, Egypt? I'm sure we'll be a big help there. Ditto for Bulgaria. The only problem I can possibly imagine is Serbia, but I doubt they would invade Bulgaria and ''not'' us. ''']]''' 09:49, 18 March 2008 (UTC)
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			== Greece situates partially in Asia ==
	:::::::::I meant it more as an outstanding internal issue: stability, etc. etc. and like a country that is in some deep trouble that could so easily spread to the whole region. Oh, and if there is someone to start a war oin the Balkans it'd be Serbia alright, but why should they attack you? To get rid of the Albanians or what? They've attacked us (and we them) a looot of times already (not proud of it). --'''] <sup>]</sup>''' 10:09, 18 March 2008 (UTC)
			The source, which shows that Greece situates partially in Asia: , inter alia ''From the Black Sea coast, the geographical border of Europe passes through the deepest parts of the Black Sea to the mouth of the Bosphorus; on through the Bosphorus, the Sea of Marmara and the Dardanelles to the Aegean Sea; through the deepest parts of the Aegean Sea to the Mediterranean and around to the Straits of Gibraltar. '''The line through the Aegean Sea divides the Greek Islands between continental Europe and continental Asia.'''''<br>
	::::::::::Well if they declare war on a NATO member, they're already fucked. So they might as well declare war on a non-NATO member (if that is the case). There is no doubt that Macedonia would be the easiest opponent, essentially free land. But yes, joining NATO is definitely for stability, and I think also for the economic benefits that come from stability (more investment etc.) ''']]''' 10:20, 18 March 2008 (UTC)
			--] (]) 13:15, 30 September 2008 (UTC)
			== possible new revert war on the horizon where else if not on the ] page==
	:::::::::::Come to think about it the Republic is in the most delicate of situations: On one side it has to sustain its relations with Serbia (the only possible ally in the current situation as it becomes more and more obvious that RoM is not that willing to accept further Bulgarian aid - you know that BG army has already prepared RoM army for NATO - programmes, equipment etc), but on the other side it has to be careful with the Albanian population which naturally supports Kosovo's independence. What a situation - and without throwing in the naming issue./ --'''] <sup>]</sup>''' 10:27, 18 March 2008 (UTC)
			] 01/10/08 someone has re-placed a geografical region infront of an independent state in the Macedonia (disambiguation) page.
	==Lol==
			you can use like a refference ], ], ] where the disambiguated terms are stated in order of importance, e.g. first states, than regions etc. Can you take a look plz, tnx ] (]) 16:06, 2 October 2008 (UTC)
			:Just look at the consensus from (last edit in September) in the history to find the answer. ''']]''' 01:23, 3 October 2008 (UTC)
	Nope, I think probably I was accused of being Romanian at some point. But the boring truth is I'm English :) - ] ] 12:18, 8 March 2008 (UTC)
			== ANI Notice ==
	:I think you confused FT with your κολλητό FP; he's the token (part-)Vlach admin. ] (]) 13:08, 10 March 2008 (UTC)
			Hello, BalkanFever. This message is being sent to inform you that there currently is a discussion at ] regarding an issue with which you are involved. Thank you.--] 11:39, 4 October 2008 (UTC)
	::Who says I'm part Vlach? ] ] 13:11, 10 March 2008 (UTC)
			:Which template did you subst? ''']]''' 11:46, 4 October 2008 (UTC)
	:::I thought you did, ages ago. Don't ask me to find the diff now. I remember a very long list of self-declared ancestries which included Arvanitic, Vlach and Roma, though you could have been joking. ] (]) 13:15, 10 March 2008 (UTC)
			::Arrogance and irony won't help, why don't you seriously consider your behaviour in Misplaced Pages instead?--] 11:54, 4 October 2008 (UTC)
	:::: "Adstrate in the family environment" - aaaahhh, I see. Not you, personally. Wife? Husband? ] (]) 13:18, 10 March 2008 (UTC)
	:::::So I'm guessing Future married a Greek of Vlach+Arvanite+Rumeli+Roma origin. And you know, ''I'' could be joking. ''']]''' 03:20, 15 March 2008 (UTC)		:::I'd just like to know which template, because it seems quite handy. If you don't want to tell me, then fine. ''']]''' 12:03, 4 October 2008 (UTC)
			== Please moderate your language ==
	==Macedonian Language==
	Why you have deleted the sentence where I have put that Macedonian is officially regulated in the municipality of Pustec? Regards--] (]) 09:55, 9 March 2008 (UTC)
	:Because it's already in the infobox on the left. It doesn't need to be stated in the intro, because it's not really important (compared to Macedonian being spoken in Macedonia). Pozdrav''']]''' 10:01, 9 March 2008 (UTC)
	:: ok, regards--] (]) 10:28, 9 March 2008 (UTC)
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	== Re. Your stances (again) ==
			:OK. ''']]''' 13:00, 4 October 2008 (UTC)
	Hello BalkanFever. You did well in reminding me, I confess I had completely forgotten about your comment on my talk page weeks ago. I apologize for that. Hmm, Montenegro and Moldova are such different cases, but I can understand your comparison. Basically, I supported Montenegro's independence because it would be positive for it, as I support the unification of Moldova and Romania because I also think that would be positive for the region. In my view, Montenegro had its development severely hampered by being stuck with Serbia. For instance, by being independent Montenegro will have the opportunity to join the European Union in a few years. Serbia I can't conceive joining anytime soon. And honestly, I'm glad about that. I don't think that the Serbs, generally speaking, are ready. As for Moldova, I think that its people deserve a better life. By uniting with Romania they would be able to automatically join the European Union and have some help, not just economically, but also in many other areas such as the fight against corruption, crime, etc.. Of course that there are many factors that made have these stances, but basically these should suffice. Why were you so interested in my views? What are yours by the way? Regards, <strong><font style="color: #082567">]</font>]<font style="color: #082567">]</font></strong> 01:31, 16 March 2008 (UTC)
			== Request assistance ] article ==
			i wanted to organize the information on the ] article, and have encountered some pretty strong and (according to me) unresonable resistance. Can you objectively assist the article modification. thank you ] (]) 19:18, 8 October 2008 (UTC)
			Can you take a look plz, its the second time i make an argumented constructive modification of the article, according to agreements and suggestions discussed on the talk page, that are reverted with no other reasons stated than "there is no consensus" (in other words i dont like your edit). thank you ] (]) 11:06, 10 October 2008 (UTC)
	== Re: ==
	Супер сум царе. Ти завидувам - ти сега во Австралија најверојатно уживаш на некоја егзотична плажа со коктел во рака. За ова со статијата, сега сум зафатен малку, ама во првиот момент кога малку повеќе ќе се ослободам, ќе ти дадам детален одговор. Голем поздрав, и се најдобро. --] (]) 13:20, 17 March 2008 (UTC)
			:Wow I never noticed this section until now. Weird. There's not much I can do due to time constraints, and I'm tired of arguing anyway. ChrisO will be able to help with consensus/disputed info and editing the protected page...''']]''' 11:14, 10 October 2008 (UTC)
			ok, tnx ] (]) 11:32, 10 October 2008 (UTC)
			==Frustration==
			Thanks for advice on talk page, but there is no point. My block has ended before I have noticed blocking.
	== Autonomist organizations ==
			I am frustrated with ] and answers from wiki administrators which are part of article discussion. We are going toward 3rd RFC because of new user edit warring in Balkan related articles (all his edits are edit warring). Even his edit warring against consensus is going without "award"....--] (]) 19:37, 8 October 2008 (UTC)
	Frankly, I don't think either of the two has any autonomist goals (at least officially). I put the fact-tag so as not to remove the whole thing. --'''] <sup>]</sup>''' 09:56, 19 March 2008 (UTC)
	:Well, I don't know who it was, but today somebody put back the entire Bulgaria section, which is why I added Macedonia. I think the parties can be considered equivalent opposites (they were both banned for "separatism"). Either way, if one looks at the whole article, it's really doesn't have many sources. I would be in favour of removing both, because they only serve to misinform. ''']]''' 10:05, 19 March 2008 (UTC)
	::Ok, agreed. I'm removing them. Yeah, now as I look at it, there were so many reverts and so ons that you can't tell what really happens. --'''] <sup>]</sup>''' 10:18, 19 March 2008 (UTC)
	:::Done. I'll watch for any re-adds. --'''] <sup>]</sup>''' 10:20, 19 March 2008 (UTC)
	::::Great. I'll keep an eye out as well. ''']]''' 10:22, 19 March 2008 (UTC)
	== Re:Makedonija or BRJM ==
	Sure thing.
	'''''BUCKOVSKI WORRIED: NEGATIVE FLOW OF RELATIONS BETWEEN MACEDONIA AND S-M'''''
	''Ohryd, 27 August 2005. (Beta) Premier of Macedonia Vlado Buckovski stated today that he is worried by the negative flow of the so far excellent inter-state between Macedonia and Serbia-Montenegro.''
	''Buckovski said that responding to a question of journalists regarding the case of ethnic Macedonian citizens of S&M in whose passports the name Former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia (FYROM) is written of the constitutional name the Republic of Macedonia (RoM).''
	''"It was clear that it might lead to worsening relations. It came to this and that's why I have before, and I appeal now for work on maintaining good inter-state relations" were the Macedonian Prime Minister's words.''
	''He added that it needs to be cleared that "if the Churches and their dispute is the cause of worsening relations, that needs to be stated clearly, and the dispute must be left alone to the Churches themselves to solve it".''
	''President of Macedonia Branko Crvenkovski, as he stated, "wants to believe that it is an error, writing BJRM instead of RM." He added also that the Macedonian Foreign Ministry has demanded an elaboration from SM's authorities using their ambassador to Serbia and Montenegro.''
	''President of the Association of Macedonians in S&M Gojko Ilijevski, who lives in Pozarevac, claims that for the last year the local Macedonians have been receiving documents from the police in which BJRM is written instead of RM, as well as that that he has received clarification from that it is just because of the software of Serbia's Ministry of Interior Affairs.''
	Not really. Serbia uses all the time "Republic of Macedonia", but it hasn't officially recognized it because of Greece, which is a good ally of Serbia - and which, as you know, isn't ready to recognize Kosovo's unilateral declaration of independence. --] (]) 10:37, 19 March 2008 (UTC)
	:Np. If you need anythin' else - ]. :) --] (]) 10:54, 19 March 2008 (UTC)
	==RoM==
	Ey, merci pour m'écrire dans cette langue! :) Tu écris très bien - et tu peux me tutoyer, je me sens trop vieux quand quelqu'un me vouvoie ;) Quant aux trolls, je suppose que tu as raison, cela serait mieux d'éviter les encourager. ] (]) 00:07, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
	== adding pictures ==
	hi balkan fever i was wondering if you could help me add some pictures onto[REDACTED] because they keep getting deleted they are in refernce to the use of the MAcedonian Langauge in te balkans if you could get back to me please. You left a comment on my talk???? page and i thought you might be interested???
	== For what it's worth... ==
	I don't like the acronym "FYROM" any more than you do, and I understand your concern. I also think that if it wasn't so ugly, Greece would probably stand a better chance for the naming dispute. I follow closely the developments in your country, and the voices seeking compromise (and the nationalist ones that do not). Do you think it is feasible? BTW, were you aware that 1992 FA minister ] (the one who turned down Mitsotakis when he was seeking to compromise for "Slavomacedonia") stated something along the lines of "there's no reason for a major recoil on the name issue with a state that may not exist as such in the close future". Jesus. ]] 11:56, 24 March 2008 (UTC)
	:Right now, I'm off to bed, but I'll give you an elaborate response tomorrow. ευχάριστα for today. ''']]''' 12:15, 24 March 2008 (UTC)
	::No, what you've written is actually the ] ] of the ] meaning "agreeable". Добра ноќ. ] (]) 12:22, 24 March 2008 (UTC)
	Falemnderit you can elobarote here further because is you mother or father language Arvanitika or Shqip <small>—Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 12:38, 24 March 2008 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
	:¿Perdón? ] (]) 14:48, 24 March 2008 (UTC)
	::Es Dodona - muy . ''']]''' 23:47, 24 March 2008 (UTC)
	:::Molesto. ] (]) 00:46, 25 March 2008 (UTC)
	::::Gracias. ''']]''' 01:10, 25 March 2008 (UTC)
	Now, back to the point. Honestly, I don't think a solution is feasible by the NATO summit. Branko wants to keep the identity of the people intact. "I am a New Macedonian" is kind of insulting. It's not comparable to "I'm a New Yorker" - when do they interact with other "Yorkers"? It seems to imply that we are less "Macedonian" than you. I can't think of a possible demonym stemming from "Macedonia-Skopje", except of course, that apparent metonymic exonym that I'm not going to bother starting an argument over again. For me personally, I still lean towards "Upper Macedonian" - as long as you are "Lower Macedonian", but I don't see anyone back there going for it. A different disambiguation will be needed. This will be a historic agreement; it cannot be rushed. Obviously, 17 years is not a rush, but what I mean is: from the start of a search for an adequate adjective to the agreement of its use cannot be rushed. There should be a referendum at some point, although low turnout ''could'' be a problem if, as I said before, the options infringe on the identity of the people. ''']]''' 01:10, 25 March 2008 (UTC)
	:Come on, it's about as insulting as "I'm a New Zealander". And I don't think the Μακεδόνες would suddenly become the "Old" Macedonians, ergo "more Macedonian" or whatever. Everyone in (the wider region of) Macedonia would continue to be Macedonian in a regional sense, but those in New Macedonia would also be New Macedonian in the ethnonational sense, while those south of the border would continue to be Greek. As for the referendum, why would they choose to abstain rather than come out in force to vote against it, if their identity is so important to them? ] (]) 01:23, 25 March 2008 (UTC)
	::I don't live there, and I'm not a politician. I'm just saying I don't expect anything to come from that. I mean if the referendum was between, say, three choices of disambiguation. Low turnout would mean failure of the referendum. ''']]''' 01:54, 25 March 2008 (UTC)
	==Sandbox ==
	Hey Alex! Well, it's finally up -- I overhauled the Macedonian alphabet article :-) I hope it all goes well! I haven't uploaded the pictures yet because I am having a few problems with the licensing. Thank you so much again for your help :-) Благодарам, ] (]) 14:11, 24 March 2008 (UTC)
	==Czech Translation==
	Could you please translate this for me? Thanks!
	] (]) 22:24, 25 March 2008 (UTC)
	:Unfortunately, my Czech is far from good enough to be able to translate this :(. Sorry. ''']]''' 00:50, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
	::Something about Prague's terms regarding the recognition of Kosovo? ] (]) 06:02, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
	:::Umm, he knew that already. ''']]''' 09:39, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
	::::I did the best I could, бе! ] (]) 09:42, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
	:::::Знам де, but I'm quite he sure Canadian Bobby wanted an actual translation, as I offered my services at the talk page of International.......Kosovo............independence. However, I was referring to Dopia, not Czech. ''']]''' 09:48, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
	::::::Dopia is not quite the same as your national language, and you know it. By the way, do you say ντε (''de'') too? ] (]) 10:13, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
	:::::::Ναι, we do. ''']]''' 10:18, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
	::::::::How do you explain that? Έλα, ντε! The more bucolic Macedonians also say ρα. ] (]) 10:20, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
	:::::::::Епа изгледа дека е ]. ''']]''' 10:25, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
	== Civility ==
	Hello BalkanFever. was really unnecessary. Please don't let your disagreements make you cross the border into incivility. It is not constructive. Regards, <strong><font style="color: #082567">]</font>]<font style="color: #082567">]</font></strong> 03:55, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
	:Sorry, getting a bit too caught up in some of these threads. ''']]''' 03:59, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
	== Tubesship ==
	Have you got links to his personal attacks perhaps? --] (]) 14:29, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
	:No - those ''to you''. --] (]) 14:35, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
	== pesky disappearing text and ref trouble ==
	Hi there. Thanks for the note, and it took a while to get back to you, owing to edit conflicts, length of the time to save the article, and even Misplaced Pages disappearing for a spell.
	Anyway, it was just a typo in a closing tag, '''<pre><ref/></pre>''' instead of '''<pre></ref></pre>''' just a slash out of place. This caused the reference to remain open and gobble up all that followed. Be on a lookout for those as well as unclosed html comments: '''<pre>--></pre>''' is requied to close off a comment. Absence of either will cause this sort of anomaly. You may need to reinsert your attempted comment; I think a one-liner assent was lost in the general fixing effort -- yours? Take care, --] <sup>]</sup> 15:24, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
	== Kosovo ==		== Kosovo ==
			<small>From ]</small>
			Before you go, are you happy with the decision? What does the proverbial average man on the street have to say about it?&nbsp;<small>·]·</small> 09:46, 10 October 2008 (UTC)
	You might be interested in ]. --] (]) 13:07, 27 March 2008 (UTC)
	:Wow. Very interesting indeed. Maybe you should add a summary at the start (or end) of the section so readers can understand it easier - that Kosovo secession ''is'' illegal. At least technically. My knowledge of international law isn't great, so I can't really add much content, but I'll be happy to try and help any way I can. ''']]''' 13:39, 27 March 2008 (UTC)		:Honestly I don't care much for Kosovo itself, I care about the consequences of this for Macedonia. Most non-Albanian Macedonians are probably against recognition of what they would consider a secessionist-terrorist entity, so the proverbial man might be frustrated. I don't understand how this could in any way have benefits though. Serbian wrath may well be felt soon enough. Crappy choice of neighbours I guess. ''']]''' 10:04, 10 October 2008 (UTC)
	::Well no, it shouldn't be an attempt to ''convince'' the reader that it's illegal - but rather present a neutral image. Yes, the arguments against independence are overwhelming when compared to those that are in favor, but that is just a result of the reality, and not Misplaced Pages itself.
	::I have thoroughly studied through aspects of the legal question regarding Kosovo, and have dedicated several last years to it. However, ] had removed practically all of that data, so that it still leaves down to a summarized claim - without any single citation. It also doesn't even mention the crucial points established by the ] in 2005 (according to which a negotiated status must be achieved, the negotiations cannot be stopped, territorial integrity must be respected and no side can conduct ''unilateral acts''). --] (]) 23:07, 27 March 2008 (UTC)
			::Hehe we know the feeling, trust me.&nbsp;<small>·]·</small> 10:10, 10 October 2008 (UTC)
	== Canvassing ==
			==Another ANI==
	I appreciate the tip, but it really doesn't matter. He's trying to stuff the ballot box, but there is no ballot box, because ]. I did my best to implement a reasonable consensus position, and that's that. ] - ] 04:57, 28 March 2008 (UTC)
			Hello, {{BASEPAGENAME}}. This message is being sent to inform you that there currently is a discussion at ] regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. {{#if:|The discussion is about the topic ].}} <!--Template:ANI-notice--> Thank you.--'''] <sup>]</sup>''' 16:36, 10 October 2008 (UTC)
			:I took the liberty of substing this template. In future, write your own message. It could just be a link, I don't care, but don't patronise me with this >incivility removed due to continual complaints< ''']]''' 21:43, 10 October 2008 (UTC)
	== Macedonian girl in Polish ==
			::If I had to write a new message every time you called somebody to f*ck off or a scumbag, or a filthy dog, it'd took forever. --'''] <sup>]</sup>''' 10:11, 11 October 2008 (UTC)
	''Macedonian girl,
	a colorful flower,
	gathered in a garden,
	given as a gift.''
			:::Hardy har har har har. Mnogo smyashno. Maybe you should find something useful to do, ]. ''']]''' 10:28, 11 October 2008 (UTC)
	''Refrain:''
			::::You can't help it, can you? If you're not calling someone names, you'll try your sarcasm on him to see if it has the same result. Is this the only way? To be honest I'm tired of all this as are at least 5-6 other editors. Yes, I'm annoyed cause I don't think this is polite and a proper way of communicating with others. Content disputes are not a reason to act uncivil. They're just not. If someone has different views than you, it doesn't automatically mean he's a bad man or all the stuff you call him. Why can't you understand that? And, no, I'm not "bating" you to continue with this as I want it to end. And, frankly, I think you're smarter than that. --'''] <sup>]</sup>''' 15:02, 11 October 2008 (UTC)
	''Is there in this wide world,
	a more beautiful girl than a Macedonian?
	There isn't, there isn't, there won't be born.
	a more beautiful girl than a Macedonian!''
			:::::Yes, I use sarcasm. So what? There are tons of way more sarcastic users on wiki. It's not a content ''dispute'' Laveol, that's what you don't understand. It is a fact that Sarievski wrote the song. Yes, based slightly on a Bulgarian song. Read the "origins" section. The quote is in direct contradiction to the anon's story. The intro doesn't even make sense any more. Which people and which Macedonia? Obviously the SFRY and RoM (and SRoM), because Serbs and Croats sing it, calling it a Macedonian song. Add to that, he's been creating SPAs since April with names like "lolski" and "fyromski" and has been reverted by FP and anti-vandalism bots. And the guy who blocked me is conveniently away, so this "contributor" can continue wrecking the encyclopaedia. Do you see why I use sarcasm? ''']]''' 00:16, 12 October 2008 (UTC)
	''There are no stars more beautiful,
	than your eyes.
	If they are in the night sky,
	day will come.''
	''Refrain...''
	''When she undoes her hair,
	like silk,
	she is lovely,
	lovelier than a fairy.''
			== Hey buddy, ==
	''Refrain...''
			What's up? How are you? ] 03:15, 12 October 2008 (UTC)
	''When she sings a song,
	she out-sings a nightingale.
	When she starts to dance,
	her heart dances.''
			:I'm fine. Blocked, but fine. How (and where) have you been? ''']]''' 03:17, 12 October 2008 (UTC)
	''Refrain...''
			Good, and here and there (but not here). Oh and I'm pleased to see you haven't changed a bit! ] 06:35, 12 October 2008 (UTC)
	:Macedońskie dziewczę
	:Co za barwny kwiat
	:Tak w ogrodzie zebrany
	:Pyszny dar
			==tsiraki==
	:Refren:
			means loyal follower(with bad sense) and neither collaborator nor political tool. I guess babblefish played games with FP --] (]) 09:01, 13 October 2008 (UTC)
			:OK then...''']]''' 09:06, 13 October 2008 (UTC)
			==Aegean Macedonia==
	:Czy na świecie szerokim,
			Its pretty unclear '''how is it possible''' that undocumented personal preferences and ] can influence and have an important role in the articles.
	:Jest dziewczyna piękniejsza od Macedonki?
			Im refering to the ] aricle, this in particular where just to "calm down" the vandals, or in other words '''just to suit vandals''', '''important documented and verified information''' (by encyclopedia Britannica)about Aegean and Pirin Macedonia '''was deleted'''. best regards ] (]) 10:20, 13 October 2008 (UTC)
	:Oj, nie ma takowej, nie ma, jeszcze się taka nie urodziła
	:Piękniejsza dziewczyna od Macedonki.
			:Ej, ne možat site "bitki" da se pobedat. Kaži mi, kakva važna informacija izbrišav jas? Navistina ima li tolku vrska? Takvi ] se ]. Ova ti e služba, bidejkji verojatno ako toa prodolžilo kje go imaš kršeno ]. Pozdrav ''']]''' 10:40, 13 October 2008 (UTC)
	:Nie ma gwiazd piękniejszych,
	:Od oczu Twoich.
	:Jarząc się na nocnym niebie
	:Zapowiadają poranek.
			::Just for everybody to know - there's nothing here that needs translating. --'''] <sup>]</sup>''' 18:49, 13 October 2008 (UTC)
	:Refren...
			==Bold thingy==
	:Kiedy włosy rozplata
			1 there is no evidence that its a common way to refer to the ] by Slav Macedonians,
	:jak jedwab
	:śliczna jest
	:śliczniejsza od wróżki
			2 ]often consider a pejorative and offensive the term Slav Macedonian: "However, the current use of "Slavomacedonian" in reference to both the ethnic group and the language, although acceptable in the past, can be considered pejorative and offensive by some ethnic Macedonians" ] and here ]
	:Refren...
			] (]) 11:14, 19 October 2008 (UTC)
			:I'm not disputing what you say; you can have the bolding argument with the others. It's too ] for me to waste time on. I'm simply saying that if it's not in bold you put it in quotation marks, so that it is proper English. ''']]''' 05:51, 20 October 2008 (UTC)
	:A gdy piosenkę zaśpiewa
			ok, fair enough ] (]) 09:58, 20 October 2008 (UTC)
	:To głosem słodszym od słowika
	:A kiedy pora do tańca
	:Całym sercem zatańczy.
			== Athens News Agency ==
	There you go. Out of natural curiosity, are Macedonian girls dark or blonde? When Sappho wrote about her daughter, Kleis, she wrote that she has a daughter like golden flowers, and she advised that girls with hair yellower than the sun should wear only a headress of fresh flowers, but that she herself was dark, and a purple cloth was considered a fine headress for dark-haired girls in her day. Or words to the effect. --] <sup>]</sup> 06:02, 28 March 2008 (UTC)
			Do you consider Athens News Agency as inaccurate? -- ] (]) 09:37, 20 October 2008 (UTC)
	::Polish girls: both. The canonical Polish maiden has blonde hair and hazel or light brown eyes, possibly blue. She has darker carnation than a Swedish girl. However, owing to conquests by just about everybody, Polish girls are quite a diverse bouquet... the canonical Polish-Jewish girl being one particular variety. --] <sup>]</sup> 07:42, 28 March 2008 (UTC)
	:::Um, ]? Not contemporary, and we don't have good nekkid pix od her to compare, but timeless. And nicely rounds out the dark end of the spectrum... You should also like her for her Slovak father. IMHO Slovak girls can hardly be improved on. :) Btw. we fixed up the pl interwiki/added categorires/wikified. And I took the liberty of anotating the translation credit in a ref. :) Fair is fair. Probably should be done for all versions -- if only to afix the blame. --] <sup>]</sup> 11:44, 28 March 2008 (UTC)
			:Not in and of itself, but when it comes to the Republic of Macedonia, Greek sources have a history of getting things wrong. See the Panama sections of the talk page there to see what I mean. I'm sure ANA would be a great for something like Greece's position at ], but for bilateral relations between two foreign countries, not so much. ''']]''' 09:41, 20 October 2008 (UTC)
	----
	The BBC link in ] is broken -- everywhere, I'm affraid. I tried to spy out the right content on the BBC Cardiff Singer of the World 2001 website using Google site search, but couldn't find anything appropriate. Just a head's up. --] <sup>]</sup> 06:48, 29 March 2008 (UTC)
			== IBAN ==
	== "Macedonians" = Bulgarians, according to Vlachs ==
	I was reading somewhere that the exonym used by the Vlachs for the "ethnic Macedonians" is (still) "Bulgarians". Is that true? ] (]) 10:51, 28 March 2008 (UTC)		SWIFT controls the IBAN and it uses FYRM designation. See http://www.swift.com/index.cfm?item_id=58407 Sorry, but that is how it is.--] (]) 14:00, 20 October 2008 (UTC)
			== mk-wiki ==
	:Lol. It could be for the ones in Greece, and maybe the Albanian ones, but you would have to ask them. To your north it's "Machidunets" or "Makedonits" or whatever, depending on accent and orthography. Although I've heard about both groups resorting to "Romanians" and "Bulgarians" if there are tensions running high... by which I mean two neighbours having a disagreement in some village. Interesting to note though that the Vlachs have "Armãnj" or "Rramãnj" for themselves and "Greci" or whatever for Greeks ;-) ''']]''' 11:05, 28 March 2008 (UTC)
			Hey Balkan, are you ever active over at mk-wiki? They've really gone crazy enough to create an article, ], about that ridiculous "decipherment" of the Rosetta Stone as "Macedonian", apparently presenting the whole thing as undisputed fact. Incredible. Could you help me find out how to start a deletion process over there? I have my doubts if it will succeed, but I really can't let this stand unchallenged, it throws a very very bad light on the legitimacy of the whole project over there in terms of allegiance to NPOV, in my view. ] ] 19:08, 27 October 2008 (UTC)
	::Ahhh I see, but "Machidunets"/"Makedonits" are neologisms, right? ] (]) 11:22, 28 March 2008 (UTC)
	:::The word(s) themselves, I don't think so. The Vlachs have been in ], among ], for around 10-13 centuries. ''']]''' 12:22, 28 March 2008 (UTC)		:Well, there's no XFD process there because there's no overwhelming need for one; only a deletion template (kind of like our csd ones here). You could say something at the ] to get input, or go directly to admin Brainmachine. As for NPOV, I think you're smarter than to expect much from any Balkan Misplaced Pages. Have fun. ''']]''' 03:56, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
			== revert war on the horison over a see also link O.o ==
	::::I would argue that they have ''been'' Macedonians themselves. I was more interested in the traditional name used by the Vlachs for their Slav neighbours, before they were instructed to call them "Macedonians" by Yugoslavia and "Skopjans" by Greece. I have (Greek, admittedly) sources that allege that the Vlachs of Bitola still refer to them as ''Vurgari'' or ''Gurgari''. ] (]) 12:33, 28 March 2008 (UTC)
			Hi, can you ] we have a talk page ] and your positive opinion, about keeping the link ] reference, still hordes of lame Greek reverteditors keep reverting and deleting this link with NO arguments, the link was reverted 4 times the last 12 hours, and I repeat with no arguments. Can you do something about this or should we assume that the lame Greek POVeditors ] in[REDACTED] is absolute, so the non lame greek editors better spend their time elsewhere? thank you ] (]) 13:29, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
	:::::See also old version of http://roa-rup.wikipedia.org/Prota_frãndzã, where Български is ''Vurgarica'' and Mакедонски is ''Vurgãreashce''. ] (]) 13:06, 28 March 2008 (UTC)
	::::::I've been to Bitola, and I've never heard it. And I don't really care that ] was edit warring on the Aromanian wiki. ''']]''' 00:08, 29 March 2008 (UTC)		:Either way, really. I don't see any harm in adding it to the see also. If they're going tag-team on you, it's because they want you to break 3RR so they can report you and you can get blocked. So leave it if you have to. ''']]''' 05:22, 29 October 2008 (UTC)
			::Infact I dont intend to engage into useless revert wars, thats why i ask for admin assistance, im sure there is something to be done (vandalism-disruptive editing warning/ban)in order to keep the inforamtion on the page and not enter in to edit wars.] (]) 09:36, 29 October 2008 (UTC)
	== Blank map ==
			::No, I don't want to get him blocked. I want him to stop reinserting his OR into the article. So ''what'' if there is an ] and an ]? It's the same bloody ] on either side of the border, and not comparable to Macedonia in the slightest. How about we add, as Nikos suggested, a list of places that ''do'' disambiguate from the original toponym: ] and ], ] and ], ] and ], ''et cetera ad nauseam''?&nbsp;<small>·]·</small> 11:26, 29 October 2008 (UTC)
	Try this one ]? ] ] 13:14, 29 March 2008 (UTC)
			If you want to add also a list of places that ''do'' disambiguate from the original toponym feel free to do so, still since its a fact that Republic of Macedonia shares its name with the region its place is on the ] and its important to add this under see also, there is no place for "so what" talks. ] (]) 11:42, 29 October 2008 (UTC)
	:That's great, thanks!. If it's not too much trouble, could you make the countries the same colour? ''']]''' 13:33, 29 March 2008 (UTC)
			:See ].&nbsp;<small>·]·</small> 11:49, 29 October 2008 (UTC)
	::Perhaps better if you get yourself a copy of ], then you can play around with colors, inscriptions, legends and whatever you wish to your heart's content. ] ] 13:51, 29 March 2008 (UTC)
			lol as if had to do anything with the '''approven''' link, the ] will not help. ] (]) 11:56, 29 October 2008 (UTC)
			:Jag är approven. Vad är det du antyder?&nbsp;<small>·]·</small> 11:59, 29 October 2008 (UTC)
	::::Here's the thing: I have Inkscape - and I have no clue what the hell I'm doing. Seriously, is there a fill-in tool or what? Nothing makes sense on this program....''']]''' 14:05, 29 March 2008 (UTC)
	:::::No, it doesn't do fill-in. In handles "paths" - objects consisting of a a curved contour line and the space it surrounds. In my map, each country is a path, you just click on it and go to object->fill and stroke, then you can select the fill color for it. – I agree the learning curve is steep. ] ] 14:12, 29 March 2008 (UTC)
			Discuss this on your own talk pages. ''']]''' 00:53, 30 October 2008 (UTC)
	== You diplomat ==
			Дали ти можеш да го додадеш овој линк на страната со оглед дека ја поддржуваш идеата? Ако јас продолжам да го додавам овој линк на страната, иако се е супер аргументирано и нема никакви контрааргументи, сепак ке биде веднаш сменето а во крајна линија ке испаднам јас крив т.е. бануван. Балгодарам ] (]) 11:50, 30 October 2008 (UTC)
	I could only congratulate such a diplomatic move ;). No objections on my part. ] (]) 13:56, 29 March 2008 (UTC)
			==AfD nomination of Exodus of Ethnic Macedonians from Greece==
	: And now we wait... :) ''']]''' 14:08, 29 March 2008 (UTC)
			]An article you may be interested in, ], has been listed for ]. If you are interested in the deletion discussion, please participate by adding your comments at ]. Thank you. ] (]) 11:02, 1 November 2008 (UTC)
	==Ilirida==
	Hi Alex! I was wondering what have you done with the article about Ilirida? Would it be deleted or not? I hope so it will be cause there is no such thing. Regards--] (]) 18:27, 29 March 2008 (UTC)
	:Ah, yes. ]. ''']]''' 03:04, 30 March 2008 (UTC)
			==Unfortunately I don't==
	==Gjorce Petrov==
	Zdravo, ja editirav statijata za ] i ja postaviv vo proekt Makedonija pod top znacenje. Proveri ja i pisi mi, ili na talk ili na email. Pozdrav. (] (]) 22:47, 29 March 2008 (UTC))
			But I am going to try to find something more about this dictionary. Do you have Aromanian roots by any chance? My family, on my fathers side, is vlach speaking and I am most interested in the subject myself--] (]) 12:43, 3 November 2008 (UTC)
	== Intro ==
			::Actually, I would hardly call it phihellenic. The way I see it philhellenism was quite a different thing. It is particularly interesting though in relation to the emergence of Balkan identities, and the perceptions of ethnicity. I am aware of the link you provided but thanks for taking the trouble of reminding it. I was hoping to find the paper mentioning the dictionary and maybe some more excerpts. I tried (an excellent source) but to no avail. Right now Jingby seems to be somehow obsessed with pasting it everywhere. Basically, I don't disagree as long as it is integrated organically in the articles rather than arbitrarily and somewhat erratically as seems to be the case so far. P.S. What comments?--] (]) 12:05, 4 November 2008 (UTC)
	Instead of a link to your page, can you just work on it within that section of Talk? ] (]) 03:39, 31 March 2008 (UTC)
			:Nope, unfortunately I found nothing through my internet resources... If I happen to trace something I' ll send it ASAP. Youtube comments! LOL! I couldn't care less about Youtube comments--] (]) 15:08, 4 November 2008 (UTC)
	:I'll post it there, but it's a lot easier to have actual space where one can work on it. And it saves space. ''']]''' 03:43, 31 March 2008 (UTC)
			==AfD nomination of Macedonian language naming dispute==
			]An article you may be interested in, ], has been listed for ]. If you are interested in the deletion discussion, please participate by adding your comments at ]. Thank you.<!-- Template:Adw --> ] (]) 00:27, 5 November 2008 (UTC)
			== Pozdrav ==
	::For some reason I think keeping it out in the open will make people feel better. I'm just happy people are working together, honestly.] (]) 03:53, 31 March 2008 (UTC)
			Hey, thanks for the welcome :) It's good to see some Macedonian editors here and that it's not all one-sided. Cheers ] (]) 06:55, 5 November 2008 (UTC)
			== Cyrillic letters in IPA ==
	==Welcome note==
	Even though I am not quite a new user, I've never got to thank you for your welcome note. So, thank you. --] (]) 08:04, 31 March 2008 (UTC)
	:No problem. :) ''']]''' 08:10, 31 March 2008 (UTC)		I've started a try in ]. Please give comments. --] 19:03, 5 November 2008 (UTC)
			== Can you have a word with ΚΕΚΡΩΨ about his recent disruptive editing ==
	== Slavic Language in Greece ==
			He has been adding the Greek Language among the languages spoken in Macedonia in a total of 7 times up till now. We have some pretty strong '''evidence''' that the language is '''not''' spoken in Macedonia, at least not in a significant number: '''European Council''' , '''United Nations''' , '''Britannica encyclopedia''' , '''BBC Educational''' , '''Eupedia''' . This has been backed up by many editors also.
	hi, you wrote in wiki page slavic language greece, that you believe that the only source that would define the diference of macedonian/dopia and macedonian would be found from Makedonija? do you have a link to any of those sources? thanks, ] (]) 08:49, 31 March 2008 (UTC)
			The only lame arguments this user uses to support this fantomatic language minority is this web page and even here the Greek it is not clearly stated among the languages of Macedonia. "The number of languages listed for Macedonia is 9." Non of them is Greek.
			Can you have a word with him about his recent disruptive editing and vandalism on the ] page. Thank you ] (]) 19:08, 7 November 2008 (UTC)
	:Well, that is what I think, because not many others would compare (standard) Macedonian and Dopia. I don't have any sources yet, but I'll look around on the net. I'm in Australia, so I probably won't be able to find any hard-copy books here, but I'll ask some of the other Macedonian users if they can help. Pozdrav ''']]''' 08:54, 31 March 2008 (UTC)		:It's not like he listens to me. What could I say that hasn't already been said? ''']]''' 01:47, 8 November 2008 (UTC)
			::What ''is'' there to say? That any mention of the Greek or Bulgarian minorities clashes head-on with your ethnic nationalism? Nobody cares, though I must admit that watching you get hysterical over the non-kosher minorities while demanding recognition of the "Macedonian" minorities in neighbouring states ''is'' rather amusing.&nbsp;<small>·]·</small> 02:37, 8 November 2008 (UTC)
	Ajde dobro. Would you also be able to change the template for Makedontsi so that when the Macedonians in Albania part is clicked it will go to this page => ] and if possible please help with it??? cao ] (]) 07:56, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
	:LOL I did it just before I got this message :D. Pozdrav. ''']]''' 07:58, 2 April 2008 (UTC)		:::What are ''you'' doing right now? Demanding "recognition" of 400 Greeks in my Macedonia and denying the existence 10-30,000 ethnic Macedonians in your Macedonia. Ease off on the spanakopita, Adolphos. ''']]''' 05:07, 8 November 2008 (UTC)
	== КИЦ ==		==Blinded==
			:...I must have been blind these last few days because I just noticed this part of your post "There's a great paper by Victor Friedman, among other things". Sorry for not responding earlier and hope you won't take it as some kind of disregard on my part. If you are referring to Friedman, Victor A., "The Vlah Minority in Macedonia: Language, Identity, Dialectology, and Standardization" in Selected Papers in Slavic, Balkan, and Balkan Studies, ed. Juhani Nuoluoto, Martii Leiwo, Jussi Halla-aho. Slavica Helsingiensa 21. University of Helsinki, 2001 I first read it here in WP. If you had a different paper in mind I would most certainly be interested. Sorry for not replying promptly--] (]) 10:41, 8 November 2008 (UTC)
			:Well my aunts were always bilingual, my father speaks only Greek. My grand father was a vlach speaking Greek from Pindus but my grand mother wasn't so that's just about it. Unfortunately I can understand only words and phrases and I always get confused when I see Aromanian written in latin characters. In any case I always enjoyed the songs and dances and have wonderful memories from our local fests.--] (]) 11:27, 8 November 2008 (UTC)
	Do you know much about them? What is their affiliation with the City of Skopje? ] (]) 09:37, 31 March 2008 (UTC)
			Oh... and something you might find interesting is that a lot of my cousins speak the language quite fluently along with Greek--] (]) 11:32, 8 November 2008 (UTC)
	:I've never heard of them. ''']]''' 12:28, 31 March 2008 (UTC)
	:Not as offensive as the КИЧ offering, but still good: ] (]) 18:01, 31 March 2008 (UTC)
			Hmmm... if my memory does not fail me it should be something like: him, hii, eashte, him, hit, soont, but you must keep in mind that this is probably my own perception of what I hear. I don't even know if it makes any sense to you. There is a site with audio samples from Greece but I can't find it right now. There is also an early 20th century dictionary you might be interested in --] (]) 12:14, 8 November 2008 (UTC)
	::Shit, why has nobody else come up with this one before? Call Niemetz, quick! ] ] 18:11, 31 March 2008 (UTC)
	:::Nah, Nimetz is a dud. ] (]) 18:15, 31 March 2008 (UTC)		:Found it! There is also a group in facebook where you can join and ask whatever you want--] (]) 12:43, 8 November 2008 (UTC)
			It belongs to the northern variation. It was actually recorded in the Village Megala Livadia near Thessalonica (google translator actually renders the name in English as "Big Meadows" hehehehe ). There are many more samples if you would care to search the website a bit more--] (]) 13:05, 8 November 2008 (UTC)
	::::Umm, we kind of said no to that in 2002. ''']]''' 08:00, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
	== Info Box ==		== Hello ==
			Значи ова е едно недоразбирање. Извинувањето е прифатено. Поздрав, ] (]) 11:38, 8 November 2008 (UTC)
	We have finally got a working NPOV intro done on the Kosovo article, if you have further suggestions please make them regarding the intro. I'd like to discuss the info boxes now and would appreciate your comments. Thanks.] (]) 02:34, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
	==Zdrastvoitse==
	I want to colour my signature and i see that you have done it also.So can you please tell me how is this done?--] (]) 11:13, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
			==What is exactly the problem on "Political Refugees of teh Greek Civil War"==
	==Polish Cyrillic Alphabet==
	I'm just breezing through, but I thought I'd offer my thoughts on your Cyrillic alphabet for Polish. First, you have л and љ reversed: Polish ''ł'' originally represented a very dark like they have in Russian (for л) – I've even read that the pronunciation is still prestigious in Polish theatrical performances. Meanwhile, the clear of ''l'' is more akin to the palatalized љ.
			You wrote off a very big article with a tone of references. What is the problem exactly?] (]) 14:45, 10 November 2008 (UTC)
	No need for є and ў, which don't make a lot of sense etymologically or comparatively. Use ] instead; they're the old letters for Cyrillic nasal vowels.
			== Knock, Knock ==
	Similarly, why use й when ы would serve equally well? Better yet, follow the example of Ukrainian and Belarussian by using і for Polish ''i'', и for Polish ''y''.
			Hey bud, for an Australian-Macedonian you are *very* moderate :) RISPEKT! ] (]) 01:53, 11 November 2008 (UTC)
	(I love projects like this and I often do them myself. Especially when some important deadline looms!) Solidarity, ]'']'' ] 22:23, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
			==Political Refugees of the Greek Civil War==
	:Thanks for the tip :). With л and љ, I was looking at it more like "L is Л (as with Macedonian), so modified L (Ł) can be modified Л (Љ)" - but I see your point. For the nasals, I didn't think of using archaic letters, just random modern ones, and I knew they wouldn't make sense, so thanks for that. In regards to yery, I was thinking about it, but following њ or љ it would look a bit confusing, although decimal I and И are indeed better. Regards, ''']]''' 06:37, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
			You noted that my edits in this article suck and you revert them with ethnic propaganda. Can we find a way out of this dead-end situation ? ] (]) 08:10, 11 November 2008 (UTC)
	==Macedonia==
	Well first of all i don't only think silly but also immoral the perception by some hardliners in Greece (thank God from 1991 to 2008 a lot has been changed and they now form a minority rather ludicrous)that the term "Macedonia" shouldn't be part of the name of your republic.
			==Edit==
	'''But''' what Greek government now says (and it's absolutely right) is that you can't monopolize the name.A compromise can't be made unless your hardliners (and funny thing is that the driving force behind those VMRO and other nationalists is your diaspora which lives in the safety of Canada and Australia but pursues and backs up policies that only people inside FYROM must deal with) come to terms with two facts a)Macedonia is a geographic region shared by 3 states b)your state doesn't have neither the biggest part nor consists the biggest population group, when at the same time Greece doesn't only have both but also more than 50% of the whole territory.
			I think that "some" is not needed there. The refs don't even mention "Hungarians", so I wouldn't say it's a "generalisation". This is quite a basic issue in Hungary to this very day. ] (]) 08:58, 13 November 2008 (UTC)
			:OK. I'll take your word for it. ''']]''' 09:00, 13 November 2008 (UTC)
	Just like there are the US of Mexico and there a New Mexico state inside USA there can be a New Macedonia too.The reason why it should have the adjective new is simply because Greek Macedonia (as part of the Greek '''modern''' state) precedes by far any formation of a federal or independent state of your Macedonia.
			== Diff between vandalism and content dispute ==
	Thank god we have put our stupid hardliners on the sidelines (at last) it's time to put yours too.For me someone shouldn't have to prove connections with Alexander the great to be considered a Macedonian.Because then none could.Ancient macedonians were a synthesis of tribes hellenized but it's silly for us to think that in any way after 2,500 there can be a direct concrete genetic link with the ancient past.The legacy is only cultural and survives through the language.In fact for me a Cameroonian who studies and is interested in Greek philosophers is more rightly "an offspring" of them than a Greek (even with the most noble ancestry) who acts like an illiterate.
			Are you playing some sort of a game - you know there is a difference, and you know it very well. Neither of the texts has any refs or anything. You remove his version calling his edit vandalism? And how is it vandalism? In the same way I can call your own edit vandalism. --'''] <sup>]</sup>''' 10:32, 20 November 2008 (UTC)
	We have sadly two nationalisms (both claiming bullshit) but the fact is that yours is engaged in a battle it can't win.And Greece is and should be the most reliable partner of ROM for many reasons.Your nationalists must come to terms with that.You know every Balkan nation had it's "Megali Idea".Bulgarians pursued it and got thrashed in 1913 Turks had it and got thrashed in 1918 we had it and got thrashed in 1922 Serbia had it and is getting thrashed."United Macedonia" is your "Megali Idea" and with your small size and power you can't afford to pursue such a stubborn policy and experience your "thrash".
			:And you claimed something was sourced when it wasn't. So the real question is: were you outright lying or just <insert word which will get me another AN/I>? ''']]''' 11:38, 20 November 2008 (UTC)
	If ROM sides with Serbia then Serbs in the name of Slavic roots will try to absorb it if you side with Bulgaria they in the name of the strong heritage and cultural link they most certainly will absorb you.Greece is your only natural ally in the region the only one who can offer stability political and economical, but only if nationalisms be put aside.There are no 1 (kind of) Macedonians so let's enjoy the diversity.
			::I wasn't lying - I thought there was a source about the alleged Bulgarianness of his parents (see the talkpage). I thought it still had it. Happy now? As for your case you're actually POV-pushing as is the IP and you have no right to call his edits vandalsim. I'll look up a source on the subject and probably add his text back. --'''] <sup>]</sup>''' 21:22, 20 November 2008 (UTC)
			:::What IP? ''']]''' 00:01, 21 November 2008 (UTC)
			==To be==
	I have argued with many people here when i tell them that as a group of people who have continuous presence in Macedonia region from 600 onwards you are more than entitled to have Macedonian adjective to your name.In fact i personally believe that a Mexican who saw birth and saw the skies first time in our region he is a Macedonian too.In any case i can't seriously deny your identity when for example my family has less than 90 years presence in the region.
			Oops, I just now realize you left me a message so I gladly oblige as follows:
	So all those dumbasses who mess DNA, with ancient history, with blood lines must be put aside.We can work it out.--] (]) 09:14, 4 April 2008 (UTC)
			The various Vlach dialects are quite "fractured",
	:What you said about the ethnic Macedonian diaspora can be said about the Greek diaspora as well, or any diaspora. The most hard-line nationalists of all ethnic groups aren't even in their own country. We both know very well how big Macedonia as a region is, but unfortunately some do not. For many Greeks, "Macedonia" is only the Greek region. For many ethnic Macedonians, "Macedonia" means only their country. Both groups have tried to monopolise this term, but today, and you'll have to trust me, we don't.
			the spoken language can wildly vary.
			But you'd definitely strike luck with the following
	:The ethnic group have called themselves "Macedonians" for a while now. Nobody told them they couldn't, nobody told them to disambiguate. They didn't monopolise it, they never said they were the only Macedonians, it just so happened that in an ethno-national sense, they ''were'' the only "Macedonians". That is not our fault. In a regional sense, of course many Greeks are Macedonians, and many Bulgarians and many Albanians. You have the ability to disambiguate between your ethnicity and your regional identity. We don't. It wasn't our elaborate plan, it just happened. Not to mention the fact that "Greek" can only refer to one thing, and "Slav" can refer to so many.
			(and make yourself understood by any self-respectable Vlach native regardless of what his 'milieu'
			or region of origin might be)
	:As for United Macedonia, we know we would get thrashed if we tried it, which is why we don't. It is more of a nostalgia, if you will. "Macedonia was so great until it was divided" is the belief of the people - told through generations. Whether that was the actual reality doesn't matter to them. But they know for a fact that there is no "United Macedonia" for the future. They don't need to get thrashed for that - they know. Just as your people know there will never be a new Byzantine Empire, just like the Turks know the Ottoman Empire is long-gone. This is not, and should not be, Greece's problem about the name of the country or the people - it is a problem about RoM's version of history. That can be settled in a different manner. All history in the Balkans is subjective - be it in Bulgaria, Greece, Serbia, Romania or RoM. Why should that play a role in what the country is called? What is more worrying: a name that you perceive as implying irredentist goals, or the mobilisation of troops?
			Io hiu, Mini esc(u), Io-s = I am
	:With the disambiguation, the country is one thing, but the people are another. "New Macedonia" for the country, would mean "New Macedonians" for the citizens, of course, but what is being opposed is "New Macedonians" for the ethnic group. As I said, the ethnic group have used the name "Macedonians" to refer to themselves, parallel to the Greeks in Macedonia using "Macedonians" along with "Greeks" to refer to themselves. Before the formation of our independent state. The same way the Greeks called themselves Greeks before the formation of their independent state. Why should I, being in Australia, call myself (ethnic) "New Macedonian" while my friend calls himself (ethnic) Greek?
			Tini (tine) hii/esti = You/Thou are (art)
	:I do believe we can work it out, but it will take some more time. We can leave the dumbasses behind. ''']]''' 10:30, 4 April 2008 (UTC)
			El(u), Ea easti = He/She/It is
	Well the thing is that the sole term "Macedonian" is challenged.For Greeks it's a regional identity overlapped by the Greek one for you is the national identity.A Greek feels that if you are going to be recognized as sole Macedonians then Greek Macedonian would simply mean a citizen of ROM with Greek roots just like Albanian Macedonian means.And the next question would be if these people are called Macedonians so they are the rightful owners of Macedonia or they are more strongly connected, disregarding the Greeks and Bulgarians of the region as if they simply settled the region.In any case gives a Macedonian more of a claim against the other nationalities when all have similar rights in the region.(All Greeks in Macedonia aren't immigrants there were a sizable Greek community already here)
			Noi him(u) = We are
	And when your prime minister pays respect to United Macedonia cauzes and celebrations and when ROM promotes falsified DNA data about how africaneers Greeks are and how indigenous Macedonians are and when you see so much hate about the Greeks in the region who are called derogatory either Grkomanoi or Turks and slogans Macedonia to Macedonians and stuff like it's obvious that you are transmitting the wrong signals.You pave the way for Karantzaferis and priests.You alienate the public here and to an extent not unjustifiably.
			Voi hiti = You are
	You have moral right when you say why we weren't called "New Greece" for example but the thing is that Greece (of 1821) as a conception of being the continuation and direct offspring of the Ancient one (no matter how romantic and largely unscientific) wasn't challenged by anyone else.I mean there wasn't an other group of people in the Balkans claiming to be Greeks separate from us and Greece (which after all is a region -Peloponnese + Central Greece and many islands) wasn't divided between us and anyone else, in any case Ottomans who may could challenge that, had no interest in being portrayed as the grandsons of Perikles rather than the grandsons of Osman.
			Eli/Eali suntu = They are
	So you see there is a difference between the two situations.I nevertheless hope for a mutual solution to be found.For the shake of all of us.For the shake of Balkans.Balkan people have a ludicrous desire to look as less Balkan as they could to look as more distinct from their neighboors as they could but the thing is that they are more connected genetically culturally economically politically as they could ever image--] (]) 14:40, 4 April 2008 (UTC)
			] (]) 12:38, 20 November 2008 (UTC)
	:Just to clear up the thing about our PM, he was not technically bowing to United Macedonia. He was laying a wreath on the grave of Goce Delčev, a national hero. There just happened to be a United Macedonia map put up there, although he really should have removed it, because it should have been obvious to him that the Greek media would react this way. And I don't know if our government has ever promoted that Spanish guy's research. But calling you "sub-saharans" is not something that only our nationalists have come up with. Turkish, Albanian, and various other Balkan nationalists have done the same.
	:"Grkomani" isn't a term for all Greeks. It is a term for the Slavophones who call themselves Greek, as opposed to ethnic Macedonian. Bulgarians use it too, because they believe the Slavophones are Bulgarians. The minority issue is a very big problem for everyone in the Balkans. Apparently our PM still has family in Greece. Same for the mayor of Skopje, Trifun Kostovski (Triphonas Kostopoulos possibly?).
			== Thank you very much ==
	:My point wasn't really about Greece as a country, it was more about the people. You called yourselves Greeks before you were independent. In exactly the same way that we called ourselves Macedonians before we were independent. And we weren't really disputed. We were not regional Macedonians in Yugoslavia - we were ethnic Macedonians. But let's see how it all works out. ''']]''' 11:07, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
			thank you for the pointers, i'd be really happy to help you in editting any pages and helping you find any information. im currently working on ] which is my home village in republic of Macedonia so if you know anything about it or know how to make this page look more proffesional or better looking please be my guest and help. thank you very much
	== Makedonci vo Pirin ==
			(] (]) 10:23, 24 November 2008 (UTC))
	hi, balkan fever. I was wondering if you were interested in starting a page for the macedonians in pirin??(similar to macedonians in albania)? there is only a little informatoin on the macedonians page about the macedonians in pirin. i will title it Pirin Macedonians so please add to it if you wish? i would also like to include the 1948 survey which 250,000 people declared to be macedonians.?
			==]==
	also i was wondering if you had any knowledge with maps? i found a map on maps.blog.com.mk/ at the EXTREME bottom. would you be abel to re-create it or get someone to??? thanx, ] (]) 01:10, 5 April 2008 (UTC)
			], would you please take a look at and perhaps clean up the ] of this tiny, little village ]. It's totally ]. Thanks. ] (]) 05:01, 26 November 2008 (UTC)
			:No problem, homie. ''']]''' 09:51, 26 November 2008 (UTC)
			==help, discrimination of macedonian history==
	== replying ==
			hy balkanfever! could you as a mod look at article "flags of the rep. of macedonia"? 2 probably bulgarian wikipedians are deleting the pre-1944 flags (probably becuase they consider pre-1944-macedonian history bulgarian) and for some reason the ethnic macedonian flags too??? i think that's totally unfair and not a treue compromise. also, the several (historical) coats of arms of macedonia have been removed from the page, which is absurd, too. please take a look. this is another attempt by anti-macedonians too erase macedonian preeWW2-historY. regards ] (]) 00:40, 29 November 2008 (UTC)
	hi, thanx mine i guess yours is a little bit crowded.
			:Unfortunately I don't have time to argue with anybody about such problems. Sorry. ''']]''' 01:33, 29 November 2008 (UTC)
	anyway, i have made the page ] i was wondering if you oculd change the makedonija template to go that page. if you think Macedonian Bulgarians, or Macedonians in Bugaria is better than i guess change it??? so just reply on ma page plz. have a look and tell me what you think, ajde cao ] (]) 10:08, 5 April 2008 (UTC)
			==Hi==
	== Macedonia's reaction to Kosovo's UDI ==
			I'm just dropping by to say hi to one of my favorite editors.Btw,if you don't mind me asking, is your full name Alexander?
	Hi BalkanFever. I have read your e-mail only minutes ago. My apologies for the late reply. As you can surmise, I usually don't check my inbox more than once a day.
			:Why thank you. Yes, it is. ''']]''' 14:01, 3 December 2008 (UTC)
	I had notice your yesterday :-) but since only you and Mareklug had expressed agreement to it, I was waiting to see if anyone else had something to say about it. I was just about to post a short comment there, asking if anyone objected to it, with the intention of doing the edit a few hours later, when I saw Happy‑melon deal with it. - Best regards, ] (]) 12:36, 6 April 2008 (UTC)
			I knew it. :) <small><span class="autosigned">—Preceding ] comment added by ] (] • ]) 09:42, 4 December 2008 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
	== A little help ==
			:How clever of you, to derive ''Alexander'' from ''Alex''. But one assumes his ''full'' name cannot be ''Alexander''. Even ] has a surname.&nbsp;<small>·]·</small> 12:02, 4 December 2008 (UTC)
	I couldn't quite understand a phrase from the sentence: ''Само да те прашам нешто што го пикаш газот кај што не му е местото?''. I got the ass part, but what's up with that ''пикаш''? Sorry that I bother you with this - I'd ask the user who wrote it to me, but he deletes all my comments from his talkpage. --'''] <sup>]</sup>''' 22:29, 6 April 2008 (UTC)
			Alexander is a popular Macedonian name in general,so it wasn't really a hard thing to do :)
	:It means stick/put. Now would be a good time to ask you: do ''you'' believe Macedonian and Bulgarian to be the same language? ''']]''' 09:03, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
			About the surname it probably ends on -ov or -ovski or -evski or -ik.
			Am i right?] (]) 10:09, 7 December 2008 (UTC)
			P.S. Oh,you meant full as in first name and surname? <small><span class="autosigned">—Preceding ] comment added by ] (] • ]) 10:11, 7 December 2008 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
	::Hmmm, that's a hard issue and kind of a hard personal question as well (personal cause it would tell a lot about me as well). What I think is that it could've been the Bulgarian language. It's too similar to call it just a coincidence, but at present it is too different to call it simply a dialect. It could've been cause when the standardization (or codification if you prefer) of the Bulgarian language (the modern one) took place, the eastern dialects (the Eastern Balkan Slavic dialects so to say) were taken into account (they were closer to Russian and so on). So the standard Bulgarian language was distanced from these western dialects (My thought is that all regions from the Black sea to the Ohrid lake or even further had one language with only regional differences - no matter how you'd call it - it was one language). Maybe people from Varna, let's say, would've found it difficult to understand people from Nish or Ohrid, but it's the same for people from Bavaria and Rur for example. The current state of affairs (the current situation in the world) and my affiliations to Cultural diversity and so on lead me to the point that it can be called a language. A mutually intelligible one, yes, a language with the same roots as ours and that was ours language in some point of time - yes, but at current it is a language. A new language with a late codification. And if it was me at the top governmental level, I'd accept the fact (not sure about the name, cause of everything with Greece you know), but only in exchange for some formal acknowledgments of history '''facts''' from the other side. I don't like the current state cause every time I talk to a Macedonian (from RoM) I get the impression he has lived in some sort of a happy bubble of his own till now. And I'm not really the type of person that likes destroying such bubbles. But that's another story.
	--'''] <sup>]</sup>''' 23:03, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
			:Well, there's also -ev, -oski and -eski. It's all good :) ''']]''' 10:16, 7 December 2008 (UTC)
	== macedoncite vo bulgaria ==
			::And then there's the Vlachs, who may not have had their surnames Slavicized at all.&nbsp;<small>·]·</small> 10:23, 7 December 2008 (UTC)
	i made this 'new' article
			:::And Albanians. And Turks. And Roma. ''']]''' 11:20, 7 December 2008 (UTC)
	]
			::::And Serbs, and Greeks, and Bulgarians. But are you really that multiethnic?&nbsp;<small>·]·</small> 11:25, 7 December 2008 (UTC)
	vidi i kazi mi shto mislis
	] (]) 08:36, 7 April 2008 (UTC)		:::::And Bosniaks and Croats. ''']]''' 11:29, 7 December 2008 (UTC)
			(^^)] (]) 11:18, 9 December 2008 (UTC)
	== Greek minority in the Republic of Macedonia ==
			== Help? ==
	Thank you for your recent edits to ]. While you did add edit summaries, they were not in English and are thus uninterpretable by the majority of English Misplaced Pages users. Please add edit summaries in English in the future on the English Misplaced Pages. Thanks! ]] 12:48, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
			Don't know if you can help, but... do you have any idea what PRSAMET or PRSDMET might mean? It's Serbian, I think. (Was hand-written in Cyrillic which is why I'm not sure if it's an A or a D.) Thanks. ] (]) 13:53, 4 December 2008 (UTC)
	:Yeah, sorry about that. No problem. ''']]''' 11:29, 8 April 2008 (UTC)		:Sorry, no idea. If I could see the document it might might help. ''']]''' 23:12, 4 December 2008 (UTC)
	::How about a translation for us "mutes"? ] (]) 11:46, 8 April 2008 (UTC)		::''Предмет'', perhaps? --] (]) 05:13, 17 January 2010 (UTC)
			== Need some help, please ==
	:::You're not German, so.... ''']]''' 04:17, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
			Hey, I was wondering whether you could help me find a suitable tag for my image of the Loznani soccer team Image:Hajduk footbal team loznani.JPG. Now to give you some info on it, I was the one who took this photo, most of the people in the Photo are related to me while the rest I know. I asked them for permission to allow me to put this photo on the web and its of a national A league soccer team formed in thre village of Loznani, macedonia. Got any suggestions on which tag i should use oh and I allow it to be viewed on the World wide web eg google images. Thank you very much, ] (]) <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding ] comment was added at 02:00, 6 December 2008 (UTC).</span><!--Template:Undated--> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
			==AfD nomination of Slavic dialects of Greece==
	== Edit summaries ==
			]An article that you have been involved in editing, ], has been listed for ]. If you are interested in the deletion discussion, please participate by adding your comments at ]. Thank you.<!-- Template:Adw --> ] (]) 08:46, 8 December 2008 (UTC)
			==Nice to have you around==
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			|style="vertical-align: middle; border-top: 1px solid gray;" | I award this medal to ] for his informed and informative contributions to Balkan-related topics and his effort to always stand close to and defend the TRUTH. Although we are on opposite POVs - Macedonian and Bulgarian − it is hard not to notice BalkanFever's neutrality. ] (]) 06:36, 23 December 2008 (UTC)
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	This is the English Misplaced Pages. Please use only English in your edit summaries. Thank you. ] (]) 18:27, 7 April 2008 (UTC)		:Wow. All I can say is мерси много (I hope that's correct). :-) ''']]''' 09:56, 23 December 2008 (UTC)
			::Моля, напълно заслужено (You are welcome, you deserve it). --] (]) 17:22, 20 January 2009 (UTC)
			== Dziękuję, BallkanFever! ==
	:OK :) ''']]''' 11:30, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
			BalkanFever! Thank you. And please allow me wish you the same in kind. Here is my impromptu Chrismas wikicard in Polish, so that you can exercise your Macedonian, or your Polish, and everybody else, their translate.google.com widgets. :)
	==Ilinden==
	Hello Alex! I want to ask you about the article Ilinden-Proebrazhenie Upraising. Is there any chance to be split on two different articles, because the title is really confusing. If there is no possibility of splitting, than is there any possibility to be renamed the article into Ilinden or Preobrazhenie? regards--] (]) 19:55, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
			Dziękuję ślicznie za życzenia, i Tobie Życzę Nawzajem: Szczęśliwego Bożego Narodzenia i Dosiego :) Nowego, wszystkiego, nie tylko Roku. My z kolei, na polski wystrój z rodzinnymi bombkami i uzbieranymi kolorowymi światełkami obciążamy od wielu lat naszą, zasadzona w wielkiej doniczce, leciwą, wybujałą pod sam sufit, ''norfolk pine'' (]), co stoicznie znosi to z wielkim wdziękiem. A liście to-to ma takie, i wcale podobno ] ]:
	:Good luck trying to get that past the Bulgarians. ] (]) 19:58, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
			]
	::I have proposed that just for one reason- the title to be clear enough, because two names are confusing for the readers that do not know about that uprising. That is all.--] (]) 20:08, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
			Więcej tu: ]. :) --] <sup>]</sup> 15:26, 24 December 2008 (UTC) ]
	:::Well no, you have proposed that just for one reason - to separate Ilinden from the (other) Bulgarian revolts and present it as an exclusively "Macedonian" affair. ] (]) 20:10, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
			{{clear}}
			==Attachments==
	::::You are saying that and I have never thought of that because I do not know the Bulgarian uprisings at all. --] (]) 20:12, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
			], I have an interesting PDF on the history of ] I would like to send you. Perhaps you would know the best way to use the information. As the Misplaced Pages email does not support attachments, please send me your address if you are interested. Happy new year. ] (]) 18:35, 1 January 2009 (UTC)
			:And a joyous one to you too, ]. I would very much like to see this. Remember to check your spam folder if you haven't received my email. Peace, ''']]''' 23:53, 1 January 2009 (UTC)
	:::::Probably because you've never been taught that Ilinden was just one of a number of contemporaneous Orthodox Slav revolts against Ottoman rule. ] (]) 20:26, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
			== Re: Czech alphabet ==
	::::::I've wrote about the bubble just in the section above. This is precisely the reason the article is as it is. --'''] <sup>]</sup>''' 20:29, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
	::::::Yes, Ilinden was Slav uprising but you have said something else above. Never mind forget this conversation. I will talk with someone else about this topic, someone more appropriate for this article as it is BalkanFever.--] (]) 20:33, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
	:::::::How should I take the part about ''more appropriate''? Is this another one of your ''jokes'' like on bg.wiki? A one appropriate is one who knows enough about the Ilinden-Preobrazhenie uprising, not about the so called Ilinden one. --'''] <sup>]</sup>''' 20:35, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
			I can also think of a (and), i (as well as), k (to), o (about), s (with), u (at, near). So, along with yours, that would make 8 all together. Yeah, we're a nation of minimalists. :) Why do you ask, is this for the ] article or just personal interest? +] <sup>(])</sup> 14:33, 20 January 2009 (UTC)
	:::::::: Hello to everyone! First of all this is a user talk page and not Ilinden's talk page. I hate someone that answer without asking. --] (]) 20:42, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
			:I don't know of many major Romance/Germanic languages which have non-vowels allowed to form syllable nuclei, which would limit all one-letter words in those languages to just the vowels. But of course this is more a question of orthography than phonetics. In English the obvious example is the word I, but I guess Oh would be one were it not for the spelling peculiarities. It may have had something to do with the way words were separated in the Dark Ages, if I were to take an uneducated guess. If you come to any interesting conclusions feel free to drop me a line about your findings. PS: I don't get the right of conquest tag about Melbourne on your user talk top, care to explain? +] <sup>(])</sup> 15:00, 20 January 2009 (UTC)
			::Hey, I'm in the same time-zone as you, I'm a Sydneysider! A Melburnian on the internets at almost 4am? Are you up watching the inauguration too? Or are you up all night partying and er.. editing the wiki by coincidence? +] <sup>(])</sup> 16:50, 20 January 2009 (UTC)
			:::Oh, ha ha. No, I'll be watching it on my LCD big screen, much better than sitting in the 33˚C degree heat fanning yourself with a promotional fan-like object. If only High Definition was of better quality, I can only see every second bead of sweat on their faces... +] <sup>(])</sup> 08:03, 21 January 2009 (UTC)
			::::Don't worry I'll just waste the TV on downloaded low-quality TV shows anyway before it dies of desperation in a week. Did you manage to catch the inauguration before you fell asleep? It was a pretty good speech, but I'm just glad Bush is gone. :) +] <sup>(])</sup> 11:06, 21 January 2009 (UTC)
			:::::I'm positive that in four years time Obama will have lost his mass appeal as much as Rudd slowly has. All we can hope for is that Obama will repeal at least some of the more preposterous laws our American friends have come up with. I'd personally prefer a candidate who acknowledges the fictitiousness of the so-called War on Terror (and its absurd counter-productivity) but you can't have everything (and definitely not as long as Americans are allowed to vote for their own president... :) ). I better get myself to bed before I get fired up over politics and fuming with rage at all the injustices of the world that us young people whinge about, I didn't manage to catch any sleep yesterday. Been a good brief chat, feel free in the future. +] <sup>(])</sup> 12:01, 21 January 2009 (UTC)
			==Wigger==
	== За Илирида ==
			My use of "wigger" was a direct response to an contained in a reference to a rap song, and yet you managed to turn it into a against an entire ethnic group. Is that ''really'' the best you could come up with? I think you need to workshop your Hellenophobia issues. Seriously.&nbsp;<small>·]·</small> 08:35, 22 January 2009 (UTC)
			:Thank you for the offer, ]. Please leave your contact details, dates and fees for the workshops. I look forward to meeting you. ''']]''' 09:10, 22 January 2009 (UTC)
	Здраво Балкан, како е? Тука станува се потопло и потопло (значи логично кај вас би требало сега да заладува). Во врска со Илирида, јас се распрашував. Нема никаква публикација ниту истражување направено на таа тема. Сето тоа било само некакво озборување и демагогија. Така да штом нема материјална основа, не треба да има статија. Да статијата треба да се предложи за бришење. Јас во моментот правам детална ревизија на статијата за НОВ. Исто така ке вметнам и мал дел во статијата за Власите за нивното учество во НОВ (одредот Питу Гули формиран во 1942 е составен 70% од Власи). НОВ е важен за Влашкиот народ во Македонија и пошироко затоа што тоа е првпат некој нив да ги признае за официјален народ - само во Република Македонија Власите го учат мајчиниот си јазик. Поздрав. --] (]) 07:55, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
			::Don't you mean ]?&nbsp;<small>·]·</small> 09:40, 22 January 2009 (UTC)
	== ej, would you be able to edit something ==
			:::Nope. Bye bye now. ''']]''' 09:41, 22 January 2009 (UTC)
	hi balkan,
			== Marshall Islands ==
	would you be able to edit the template for macedonians to have the macedonians in bulgaria section lead to here ]???
			hi, sorry for bothering you, i don't like editing that list anymore unless i have a clear argument. Did you understand my reasoning in the edit summary ? Any objections ? --] (]) 11:42, 22 January 2009 (UTC)
	thanx] (])09:24, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
			:Yeah I think I got it now. In some places that list causes more problems than it gives useful information. ''']]''' 12:18, 22 January 2009 (UTC)
	==WP MKD Userbox==
			== Not cool ==
	Hey Alex! Good call on the two versions! Cheers, ] (]) 08:01, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
			Reverting my euphemisms, eh? I gotta watch out for you ;p <small>] | ]</small> 00:29, 23 January 2009 (UTC)
	==Golo Brdo==
	Hi ! Please take a look at the article about Mala Prespa i Golo Brdo and see the propaganda and the vandalism that Laveol is making constantly. regards --] (]) 13:58, 11 April 2008 (UTC)
			:If not me then who else? But I feel bad, so to make it up to you, feel free to revert one edit from ] :D ''']]''' 00:37, 23 January 2009 (UTC)
	== thanx :D ==
			==Hello==
	thanx again] (]) 08:27, 12 April 2008 (UTC)
			Can you please take a look at . I asked him not to vandalize and I wrote to FPS but there is still no response. I have added picture and reference from New York Times, but it was obviously against the BG propaganda so I got reverted. Take a look there and give your comments please.--<font size="1">'''] <sup><font size="1">]</font></sup>'''</font> 13:06, 15 February 2009 (UTC)
			:Izgleda deka FP is taking care of it.. Isto taka, I really don't have much time for ušte povekje arguments with Bulgarian nationalists. They have ] for my liking ;) ''']]''' 03:16, 16 February 2009 (UTC)
	== Intro ==
			::Bi sakal da ve pokanam nekade,BF te molam kontaktiraj so mene na mail.
	But why not? The origins of a song is basically one of the most important things about it, isn't it? --'''] <sup>]</sup>''' 11:03, 12 April 2008 (UTC)
			] (]) 16:36, 21 February 2009 (UTC)
			== Not nice. ==
	:Which is why we devote a whole section. ''']]''' 11:09, 12 April 2008 (UTC)
			You might consider reverting yourself . ] ] 11:31, 24 February 2009 (UTC)
	::And the biggest section of the article is not worth a mention in the intro? --'''] <sup>]</sup>''' 11:20, 12 April 2008 (UTC)
	:::Not really, no. And besides, the sections are quite close together anyway. ''']]''' 11:29, 12 April 2008 (UTC)		:That's the first time you've spoken (well, you know what I mean) to me in a while, so I may as well. Is there ] up for grabs? ''']]''' 11:41, 24 February 2009 (UTC)
	::::Ok, I'll take it, then. --'''] <sup>]</sup>''' 11:31, 12 April 2008 (UTC)
			::Well, I could perhaps sell you one of ], although they are expensive. It's at least ten paternosters for each day off ARBMAC parole. To be said in Bulgarian. ] ] 13:05, 24 February 2009 (UTC)
	== hey, re:makedonci vo avstralija ==
			:::''Bulgarian'' according to whose definition? Because that could be fairly easy or quite hard, depending. ''']]''' 05:57, 25 February 2009 (UTC)
	hey, i was just wondering if you were interested in revamping the ] page. It looks pretty rubbish actually! i just thought you mihgt be interested if you are hit me bak ] (]) 08:13, 13 April 2008 (UTC)
	:: im getting no feedback so i thought i would ask you, would this image] be appropriate to post on to page ]????, it all corresponds with census data ] (]) 06:54, 14 April 2008 (UTC)
	:::: kako mislis, i jas mislaf deka grcite ke se buneja, zato go prashaf onoj kekrops ako sakase so mene da rabotit. Ama ima mnogu makedonski stranici shto nema mnogu informacija, kako ], i drugi! taka je podobro, ama vo dialecti ot makedonskiot jazik treba poveke informacija ] (]) 14:07, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
	== European Balkan ==
			:::: This was predictable. ] ] 06:30, 25 February 2009 (UTC)
	]
	To a European Balkan, cheers =)<br><br><br>
	<small>Sorry for bothering you, I just felt like writing that, hope it didn't bother you too much :)</small> --]] 11:34, 14 April 2008 (UTC)
	: Thanks :D ''']]''' 11:49, 14 April 2008 (UTC)		:::::I see... ''']]''' 06:44, 25 February 2009 (UTC)
	== Civility and such ==		== Portal image ==
			Re the reverts here , it seems the guy is right, the animation contains images that are non-free. (Independently of he POV issue about the "Ancient Macedonian"-themed image components.) ] ] 07:32, 7 March 2009 (UTC)
	Hi Alex. I'm responding to a post over at ] regarding this . As much as I love learning new curses in foreign languages, starting off a post with a string of invective usually tends to detract slightly from the weight of the following arguments. While Misplaced Pages isn't censored, cursing can be offensive, so it's ] to avoid it if possible. Best, --] <sup>(])</sup> 13:21, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
			:Fair enough. If Macedonians ever upload a free image, give me a buzz :) ''']]''' 07:38, 7 March 2009 (UTC)
	==Toše Proeski==
			:: I think Inkubusse had some. And ].... Even MacedonianBoy has uploaded a couple that look legitimate :-) ] ] 07:50, 7 March 2009 (UTC)
	Why Toše should not be in the list of Ethnic Macedonians (because Laveol has deleted it and has written that you know better why)? Can you put Toše back or you want me to put it back? Regards --] (]) 19:50, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
	:I concluded a while ago that he should be there, but never did it. I'll put him back. ''']]''' 02:18, 16 April 2008 (UTC)		:::Woohoo! National holiday FTW. ''']]''' 08:12, 7 March 2009 (UTC)
	::OK, it was Laveol's knoledge confusions!--] (]) 07:35, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
			==RfD nomination of ]==
	:::Not really, I thought about it in my head - I didn't say anything on wiki. But it's all good now. ''']]''' 07:42, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
			I have nominated {{la|А1}} for discussion. Your opinions on the matter are welcome; please participate in the discussion by adding your comments at ]. Thank you. ]] 15:53, 29 March 2009 (UTC)
	== cao ==		== mk-wiki ==
	hey, i was just wondering vo koe mesto vo makedonija si ti? za da pomozhis na statija za dialektite] (]) 09:07, 17 April 2008 (UTC)		Hi BF, could you perhaps help us out with the case on my talk page, under ]? Cheers, ] ] 06:29, 4 April 2009 (UTC)
			== ANI ==
	mozham ] (]) 09:39, 17 April 2008 (UTC)
			I opened a case about your latest masterpiece. See - I'm really tired of such things constantly repeating. --'''] <sup>]</sup>''' 09:56, 10 April 2009 (UTC)
			:Just a question: How come this link (and all the links in your report) are somehow secured? Who is ''Equifax Secure Inc.''? ''']]''' 10:36, 10 April 2009 (UTC)
			::Oh, I missed that. I wasn't editing from my PC and it turned out the computer I used had been blocked for some reason (not Macedonia-related :)) and had to use secure login. --'''] <sup>]</sup>''' 07:25, 11 April 2009 (UTC)
			::Per ] and I am going to suggest that you do not make what may appear to be curses or swear words in non English variant languages on en-WP pages, as the translation software available is unable to indicate the tone used. Going forward, I think it reasonable to assume that any such bad language will be considered as being disruptive no matter what the tone and therefore liable to be taken into account for the purposes of issuing warnings or sanctions. I ''suggest'' that you use only English on en-WP, even if responding to persons who write in other languages, just so your comments are not open to being misrepresented. Cheers, ] (]) 15:57, 10 April 2009 (UTC)
			::Under the circumstances (I warned you back in October for profanity) I would confirm that the above is an official level4 warning, that any further infraction may result in a block. If other people swear at you - in whatever language - ignore it or report it, but do not respond in kind. ] (]) 18:29, 10 April 2009 (UTC)
			:::Ok, noted. Thank you. ''']]''' 23:52, 10 April 2009 (UTC)
			== HI :-) ==
	:: go dobi e-postata? ] (]) 10:29, 17 April 2008 (UTC)
			Hey BalkanFever! Just wanted to thank you for your contribution to the ] article. Have a great day! ] (]) 13:54, 11 April 2009 (UTC)
	:::Кочовски :) ] (]) 08:54, 19 April 2008 (UTC)
			:Teşekkür ederim! :) ''']]''' 14:05, 11 April 2009 (UTC)
	:::: gob dobi e postata shto te vratif??? Mnogo me dosadi za stranicata na makedonskite dialekti. Site saka da go smeni imeto, isto kako republika makedonija :)! anywaiz ive been trying to make the ] better but ive had no luck so far, ive only been able to the radozda,struga and a little on the bitola page. i dont know any more with which i can help with. thats all i guess from my end yourz?] (]) 12:48, 19 April 2008 (UTC)
			== yoghurt arrticle ==
	==Q==
	''the plural suffix -ovi is often changed with the suffix -i: рибови > риби (ribovi > ribi/ fish);'' What he want to say with this sentence on Lower Prespa dialect? Such word as RIBOVI does not make sense? if it is that word on prespa dialect tell me to correct it. Reg --] (]) 15:48, 19 April 2008 (UTC)
			you can find tarator in turkey with the name tarator, cacık is yoghurt + especially cocumber +water <small><span class="autosigned">—Preceding ] comment added by ] (] • ]) 23:56, 14 April 2009 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
	:Honestly, I have no idea what that means. Probably best to ask him. ''']]''' 15:50, 19 April 2008 (UTC)
	::Ok, no problem I have changed it.--] (]) 15:56, 19 April 2008 (UTC)
			:Thanks for the tip :) ''']]''' 02:49, 15 April 2009 (UTC)
	==Среќен Велигден==
			==That time of year again ... ==
	Здраво Алекс -- Среќен Велигден! AWN ] (]) 02:46, 24 April 2008 (UTC)
	:Исто и од мене. Христос Воскресе!!!--] (]) 23:00, 26 April 2008 (UTC)		] (]) 12:24, 19 April 2009 (UTC)]]
	::Yeah, happy Easter everybody. ] ] 23:34, 26 April 2008 (UTC)
			==Ten lies of Macedonism==
	:::Thanks :-) ''']]''' 02:42, 27 April 2008 (UTC)
			Thanks for your explanation. I hope you are not working as a thumb puppet for FPatS. The author holds an international position in Sofia. This cannot be dismissed. The book is widely circulated in Bulgaria and, to a lesser degree, Republic of Macedonia (where I bought it). So this, I would argue neutralises your comment that there is "no reliable third party sources indicating its notability. only the author promoting it". It is not just the author but an entire state instution of an EU member state. What do you think? Thanks ] (]) 11:22, 20 April 2009 (UTC)
	Hristos voskrese! Pozdrav i i od mene! --] (]) 14:07, 27 April 2008 (UTC)
			:No, I don't work as a thumb-puppet of FP, I just happen to agree with him here. The fact that it is widely circulated does not "neutralise" anything, I'm afraid. The state institution that published Dimitrov's work is not a third-party, it is an organisation promoting the book, and if it mentions the notability of the book (which I doubt) then it will most likely be overemphasising it. Unless there are (non-Balkan) scholars talking about its specific importance or notability in terms of the Macedonian-Bulgarian conflict, and not just news articles criticising it, the article should be a redirect. ''']]''' 11:39, 20 April 2009 (UTC)
			I repeat what I said, there are some world-class scholars from the Balkans (including from the RoM). I happen to agree with you about that guy; there are excellent Bulgarian scholars who just cannot understand why he hold that position in Sofia. But I must consult his book again :-(. By the way, property developers have destroyed some invaluable Constantinian architecture (from the time of Constantine the Great) in Sofia, including a large amphitheatre. Was there anything in the Macedonian press? ] (]) 12:08, 20 April 2009 (UTC)
	== Bosniaks ==
			:I don't think that there was, but I must confess I don't read a wide range of Macedonian newspapers, and generally I don't look at the sections about miscellaneous news of the neighbours. That being said, it is disappointing to hear. I really would like to see what ends up there. Doubt it will be worth it. ''']]''' 12:44, 20 April 2009 (UTC)
	Can you take a look at the dispute on ] and its talk page? I ask you because you reverted the same anon that is involved in this dispute, on the ] article. I mainly edit about contemporary politics when I edit about Balkan issues at all, so I'm not an expert on ethnic studies, but it seemed that those additions were very questionable, so I wanted another opinion. ] (]) 11:06, 27 April 2008 (UTC)
			Well, if you are Macedonian or of Macedonian heritage, or if you love that land (as I do, irrespective of the name issue) make sure the same does not happen in Skopje or Prilep (I am not prying into your background :-)). Property developers are the worst enemies because they turn heritage to dust. According to many Bulgarian scholars, Sofia has lost a major opportunity in becoming an important cultural centre of Constantinian civilisation. ] (]) 12:54, 20 April 2009 (UTC)
	No problem. I'll take a look now, but I'm not very knowledgeable in ethnic genetics either. ''']]''' 11:15, 27 April 2008 (UTC)
			:What the...?? How come I didn't hear about such a thing. When did it happen. I don't like the current mayor (nor any of the previous for that matter), but I've never heard about it. They discovered some ruins when they were digging for the subway and they're all in the open now in the very condition they found them (trust me on this). --'''] <sup>]</sup>''' 20:12, 20 April 2009 (UTC)
	==Image==		== Hello. ==
			Hello, {{BASEPAGENAME}}. This message is being sent to inform you that there currently is a discussion at ] regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. {{#if:|The thread is ]}}. {{#if:|The discussion is about the topic ].}} <!--Template:ANI-notice--> Thank you. ] (]) 11:30, 22 April 2009 (UTC)
	It was the picture on this page here ] (]) 14:07, 27 April 2008 (UTC)
	:I made an article about it, but i got in trouble for it haha ;) ] (]) 14:09, 27 April 2008 (UTC)
			:Why thank you, kind sir, for informing me about an ANI that isn't specifically about me :) ''']]''' 11:45, 22 April 2009 (UTC)
	==Alphabets==
	It's fine to me as it is (per ] we should use the most commonly used English name). Anyway, you may also ], who is Slovene and linguist. --] <sup>]</sup> 21:26, 27 April 2008 (UTC)
			::However, you are an "involved party" ] (]) 13:15, 22 April 2009 (UTC)
	== Your "Partial Revision" ==
			== Case pages ==
	Please change it back to Kosovo. Yes they called it Kosova, just as they call Kosova now. But it was Kosovo in English then, as it is now. Follow my reasoning? ] 02:18, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
			... not that I'd terribly mind if my user name is written this or that way, but it's a bit weird to see it done at the behest of an obvious IP troll sock. Who hasn't even done his homework properly. ], 11:50, 22 April 2009 (UTC)
	:I'm not sure, because of the article location. It seems the name in English of that Republic was "Kosova" and this one is "Kosovo". ''']]''' 02:56, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
			:Oh, right, on reading the comment again I think I understand it... I just thought it was some not-so-good English. By the way, now that you self-identify as F.A.U.o.F.P.a.S someone's going to have to rename your account. ''']]''' 11:58, 22 April 2009 (UTC)
			:: I don't self-identify as that, obviously. It's only a provisional reference for use in international organisations. ] ] 12:05, 22 April 2009 (UTC)
	I'm almost 100% sure. I will do a quick search of CNN and what not. But it wouldn't make any sense for it to be Kosova in English then, and Kosovo in English now. In fact, even if they did call it Kosova back then, for the sake of sanity and continuation we should call it Kosovo now. Sound good? Oh fuck it, let's just have an edit war for shits and giggles!!! ] 03:42, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
	:LOL. Change it, don't change it, it's all good. Maybe bring it up on the talk page of that article. See what others say. ''']]''' 03:46, 28 April 2008 (UTC)		:::Therefore it's NPOV. Stop pushing your own POV about yourself. Where did you get the idea that users could choose their own names, anyway? ''']]''' 12:15, 22 April 2009 (UTC)
	== Re: Bosniaks ==		== Tsk tsk ==
			]
	I know! We have been having this for a '''looong''' time. Long before you came to the Misplaced Pages. Long before I came to the Misplaced Pages. And it keeps dragging on; on and on again, exposed by probably the very same user that either edits as an anon or keeps making new usernames.
			You owe me at least 200 leva for saving your ass from the orthography police. Or a big bundle of delicious fruit. ,
			] (]) 13:12, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
	I'm just tired of it, just like I am tired of Misplaced Pages a little bit. If you initiate a RfC, I'd support, normally. --] (]) 10:09, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
			:I sure hope you mean 200 ]. But if not, I think I can still ] you. ''']]''' 13:23, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
	:You too. ;) --] (]) 10:57, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
	==Timeline==		==Elena Gheorghe==
			Не мора апсолутно ништо да ми преведеш, разбирам се англиски....само имам еден проблем коога ќе ја напишам фразата заборавам да ја проверам, па затоа повеќето мислат дека не знам англиски што сметам дека е глупост...Инаку тоа што сум го пишал за тебе било ненамерно сметајќите за анти македонист (сеуште) објасни ми од која националност си ти??? ...кога станува збор за статијата Елена Џорџ веќе не се замарам многу, но сеуште ми е нејасно дали е Македонка или Влаинка односно половина...но се обидувам да направам неки правилности на оваа воопшто не неутрална википедија...Позззз ] (])
	I have used words from article Socialist Federal Republic of Yugoslavia :)--] (]) 12:18, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
			ахха мило ми е што си Австралиски МАКЕДОНЕЦ пред се...не знам по грешка имав сватено дека си против Македонија, нот тоа ќе го заборавиме ...Инаку за Елена Ѓорѓе пак може да нпишеме дека е Влаинка од Македонија т.е. за нејзниниот татко...Инаку сериозно мора да се зборува за неутралноста на арткилите на англиската википедиа кога станува збор сакам да кажам за Македонските артикли, толку личности се направени Бугари и Грци, а всушност се Македонци и тоа многу ме нервира...истотака и за Историјата на Македонија...Историјата на Македонија на англиската википедиа започнува од Националното Будење ...зарем не е ли мизерно тоа ??? Навситина тешко е да се превземе нешто бидејќи Грчкото и Бугарското лоби и пропаганда се многу силни, но имаме ли шанси да направиме нешто??? ПОЗЗЗ <small><span class="autosigned">—Preceding ] comment added by ] (] • ]) 13:58, 15 May 2009 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
	:We are creating consensus for sources which will be used in all articles related with Yugoslav Wars. It will be nice if you can vote on ].
	--] (]) 08:20, 30 April 2008 (UTC)
			== Careful ==
	==Macedonian Latin alphabet==
			Can you revise your last posting at the arb case? Arb clerks are in block-anything-that-moves-if-it's-the-least-bit-impolite mood. Just a friendly recommendation. ] ] 15:33, 16 May 2009 (UTC)
	Здраво Алекс -- I have commented on your and Hegumen's comments on the Macedonian Latin alphabet (→]). Cheers, ] (]) 04:06, 29 April 2008 (UTC)
			:Why does everyone focus so much on impoliteness and "incivility" rather than the actual problem? When the exact same "arguments"/"evidence"/"proposals" come up, in full, multiple times, from the same user or group of users, there is no plausible way for any response to be perfectly "polite", or considered 100% "civil". Perhaps even this comment here will get me a block... By the way you may want to add that guy with the single crimson boot to your list of editors turning away in exasperation. ''']]''' 15:52, 16 May 2009 (UTC)
	== re reason for Kosovo edit ==
			:: йa дук тнэмьк но тад таб нед йа дув илбьборп иб тколб флесйам. ] ] 16:56, 16 May 2009 (UTC)
	Ha ha, no worries. So was I :-) ] (]) 15:04, 29 April 2008 (UTC)
			:Hmm...Ти смис киал килирис лиув илаучневе лиевирп за ед юн нитиар гуов ни икиув he he he. <s>За роф нитег тколб, иа тнедув ироув чам фи иа рев ю</s>. Лоретфа, нау нак тег иева диув радръм зиедуан. Ти зуог диув туа ниес тад ед ифок ношиетивни зи литс но. За роф ю фиба, иа дув илдалг раъш a tzatziki (“not sasiki”) дув ю фи ю реве непах ут порд иаб. But seriously now, we ’ll definitely have to sit apart.--] (]) 09:56, 18 May 2009 (UTC)
			::Σαιταργ ιβιτ ωγα εμισσικιμα ρεπ μενωιτατιfνι δα μεδεφφοκ. Ας φωρ δη αδερ θιγγ, "συμινα τιδερ μυμηδ κγυν. ερεκατ μαυq ικισιfιλβο τεσσε ετατσετοπ αρτσον νι ματ ις συμησσιδιδρεπ εκωf μυκ μασπι ευqουq μαιρομεμ. Ετυτιfρες νι διυq, σον ατι, τεσσε ετατρεβιλ νι μυμιτλυ διυq τιδιf σατια συτεf τυκις τε μυτνεμυκοδ ιαιτνειταπ εδναργ ωτκεφορπ συμιδηδ." ] ] 10:18, 18 May 2009 (UTC)
			::Πληζ σι ]. Μειμπε γιου σουντ μπρασ απ ον ιορ σιριλικ :) ''']]''' 10:52, 18 May 2009 (UTC)
			:Επορπ κνυον μυοταdναμ μυουοτ ινεβνι. Ογκε εβκοβκ ιμπιτ σαιταργκ οκγα εμιτπο εκιμα ορπ οσνοπσερ ουοτ ορεγγυοσ , ντεσ ιλον ικσιβιλμπο τνοβκ "ουδ ουιοπ συοριακ ουτ νιεγελ, η ιρεπ νω αθσιο σωφασ, η ιρεπ νω νοιακγανα νιεπιε. Νε σοιτουτ ραγ σοινομ ο σογολ στη σηγισ νωττιερκ, νε εδ σοιτ σοιλλα νονιεμα ναγισ η νιεγελ" Oh, and thanks for the tip fever. I' ll keep that in mind--] (]) 11:48, 18 May 2009 (UTC)
			== Banned ==
	== Преместување ==
			You are banned for 24 hours for from all case pages related to ]. Rlevse was very clear in that no further nonsense will be tolerated. There is no need to question or insinuate "that at least three of the most involved parties...didn't even know this was was the original dispute." As there are more than 1,000 kilobytes of text concerning the subject, and as this case has lasted weeks, the edit was disruptive, pointy, and only served to inflame the situation. The 24 ban starts at my signature time and ends 24 hours from then. ] (]) 15:35, 22 May 2009 (UTC)
			:Actually no, that was not my intention. Considering the very fact that the vast majority of that 1,000 kilobytes is actually focussing on ChrisO's move and the result, rather than the collective stonewallling, I felt it relevant to make the remark. Because if they didn't know in the first place, how could they "lose sight"? Shadowmorph cleared it up, he moved on. So did I. John Carter never responded. The only thing that inflamed the situation was SQRT. But of course your job is to protect the likes of him from everyone else's "incivility". Have fun with your circus. ''']]''' 05:35, 23 May 2009 (UTC)
	Не е проблем пријател. Кога сакаш Ви стојам на располагање. Тоа важи за сите, без разлика на нација. Инаку преместување на страница се прави со стискање на табот "MOVE" и ти се отвора нов прозорец во кој ја ставаш новата содржина. Но може и да не успее ако некој администратор ја блокирал за преместување. поздрав. --] (]) 15:00, 30 April 2008 (UTC)
			::Cool it, bro, cool it! That's the price we have to pay for encyclopaedicity. At least you're not "batshit crazy". You have to work years for that shit, and earn your Webeloes and shit. All we have to do now is wait for our betters to cast the judgment, yo. ] (]) 06:43, 23 May 2009 (UTC)
			:::Ah, so that's how it be goin' down in this neckothewoodz. I'll chill ma pills for the allotted 24. Hopefully our betters will tear this shit up, nah mean? ''']]''' 06:55, 23 May 2009 (UTC)
			::::F to tha Y to tha R of the mothafukkin' M, homeboy. ] (]) 07:23, 23 May 2009 (UTC)
			:::::Oh no you di-int! ''']]''' 07:32, 23 May 2009 (UTC)
			::::::Word. . Terrorist fist bump. ] (]) 05:36, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
			:::::::Boo-ya! ''']]''' 09:43, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
			:Just to note that John Carter did respond in case you didn't notice, saying . After all John Carter was first called into Talk:Greece by Future Perfect back then and didn't appear only after. As for myself, I couldn't present evidence about Talk:Greece since I wasn't around and others more knowledgeable of that case covered it. Besides it is not anyone's fault that ChrisO's move overshadowed that case. ] <sup>]</sup> 07:41, 23 May 2009 (UTC)
			::Thanks, I didn't see that. I wonder if the last part of his comment is the type of insinuation and disruption that the arbs issue blocks for. ''']]''' 07:45, 23 May 2009 (UTC)
	== ilinden split ==		== Meh ==
			"Fauofpas"? The way you addressed me, I'll have to change my username again. ] (<span class="plainlinks">) 18:43, 15 June 2009 (UTC)
	hey what ended up happening with splitting the illiden article? ] (]) 08:38, 1 May 2008 (UTC)
	:I'll ask FP if it's a clear enough consensus. ''']]''' 08:44, 1 May 2008 (UTC)		:Sorry, but that's the name that's least offensive to me. Srsly, try to . ''']]''' 03:50, 16 June 2009 (UTC)
			== ] ==
	:::Yeh, gud it should be its only laveol against. Plus before[REDACTED] i have never heard of preobrajanie or whatever it is called! ] (]) 02:18, 3 May 2008 (UTC)
			About this: I understand your point. However I just quoted the policy. The policy talks about any name and any group. It doesn't say that it is applicable only when a title is offending to the subject of the title. It says "one or more groups of people". I am not going to re-add for now, but what was that "long ago" thing referring to? ] <sup>]</sup>
	== ] Please use English==
			:Consider the quoted policy also speaks of "misleading" titles and disambiguation pages. I am going to add that part only. ] <sup>]</sup> 12:55, 16 June 2009 (UTC)
			::Back before your time, a legendary group of Greek nationalists used the argument that "Republic of Macedonia" is offensive to Greeks and therefore we should use "FYROM" instead. Don't remember if they cited that policy, but nobody took the argument seriously. Your edit just reminded me of that. ''']]''' 05:32, 17 June 2009 (UTC)
			== Suggestion ==
	Hello. When on the English-language Misplaced Pages, please always use English, no matter to whom you address your comments. This is so that comments may be comprehensible to the community at large. If the use of another language is unavoidable, please provide a translation of the comments. For more details, see ]. Thank you. ] (]) 07:56, 3 May 2008 (UTC)
			I'm not sure if this is very pertinent – it seems to presuppose acceptance of the claim that "f.Y...." in fact is the most commonly used name, which I guess is hardly the mainstream argument, is it? ] ] 16:07, 20 June 2009 (UTC)
	:Ако сакаш да знаеш што реков, само прашувај ме. Не ми досадувај со шаблонска порака. ''']]''' 08:11, 3 May 2008 (UTC)
			:On second thought, you're right. Would you allow me to quote the convenient parts of the phrase, like some of our friends have done in the past? :D ''']]''' 16:18, 20 June 2009 (UTC)
			::And you might want to see the section immediately above. They're not my words anyway... ''']]''' 16:19, 20 June 2009 (UTC)
			::: If you don't mind, I'll rework it a bit. Just don't blame me afterwards for breaking some revert limitation or something ;-) ] ] 16:20, 20 June 2009 (UTC)
			::::Go ahead :) ''']]''' 16:24, 20 June 2009 (UTC)
			== Peter Dobrev ==
	::We should not have to ask. Use English in future, please. ] ] 16:44, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
			Thank you for helping out with the spammer. ] (]) 05:22, 22 June 2009 (UTC)
	==Macedonian Latin alphabet (again)==
			:No problem. I'll be on the lookout in case he pops up again. ''']]''' 05:36, 22 June 2009 (UTC)
	Здраво Алекс, I have added some more commentary with a view to action on the Macedonian Latin alphabet. I'd be interested to hear your thoughts. (→ ]) Cheers, ] (]) 09:18, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
			== Civility in Macedonia centralized discussion ==
	:Здраво Алекс! I must admit I am at a loss too! Good idea to get FP involved, I should probably also get MacedonianBoy involved -- I could be wrong! Cheers, ] (]) 09:33, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
			Please have a look at my request concerning your comment on the Macedonia centralized discussion. I hope you'll be able to respect my wishes. --] (]) 12:22, 23 June 2009 (UTC)
	==Timeline==		== Straight 'A's ==
			Excuse me, I noticed that your "preferential voting" for Macedonia, seems to full of 'A's. It would have been 5 'A's if i haven't raised some reasonable shortcomings of one of the "A proposals" so that Future then subsequently added a "C proposal". Now since you are a declared ethnic Macedonian, one could claim a correlation exists between the ordering of the proposals and the preferences of the particular POV you align too. But I do believe its true that ]; so this comment is just a herringόpita served with spagghetti and meatballs. Delicious :-) (i.e: ignore this comment). ] <sup>]</sup>
	Members of Yugoslav presidency have been: Bosnia and Herzegovina 1 member, Croatia 1 member, Kosovo 1 member, Macedonia 1 member, Montenegro 1 member, Serbia 1 member, Slovenia 1 member, Vojvodina 1 member. All in all 8. On 28 March Serbia has abolished autonomy of Vojvodina and Kosovo but members of presidency are not abolished so they have falled under Serbia control. Because of that Serbia is having 3 seats in presidency (de facto) and all others together are having 5--] (]) 15:10, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
			:P.S. I would however appreciate it if you included at least a minimum amount of "second choices", you know, so that no one can say that you give the appearance of "stonewalling". ] <sup>]</sup> 12:19, 24 June 2009 (UTC)
	:So they lost autonomy but kept seats in the presidency (essentially Serbian seats). Thanks for clearing it up :). ''']]''' 10:43, 6 May 2008 (UTC)
			:: :D. That was just initial. I see that I didn't actually say that anywhere, so it's my fault. I'm reading through each proposal more closely now to see what my second choices (if any) would be. About correlations, see who likes G... ''']]''' 12:28, 24 June 2009 (UTC)
	== ANI ==
			:::Well GK1973 is straight 'B's so the joke's on me for the most of that :)
	Your actions are being discussed ] right now. Just letting you know. ] <small>(])</small> 15:18, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
			:::If you look closely you will see much difference of opinion among who you have been perceiving as a solid block. You may have also realized by now that I am a wiki-pragmatist; If we were voting on naming proposals to be discussed in the ''reality'' of the issue rather than wikiality (governed by the archons of wiki-methodocracy) ...you would expect my votes to be way different than the ones I presented now. :-) ] <sup>]</sup> 12:59, 24 June 2009 (UTC)
	:Thanks for the tip :) ''']]''' 10:38, 6 May 2008 (UTC)		::::Nah don't worry I don't think I ever said the bloc was solid ;) What sets you apart is you can actually differentiate between reality and wiki-ality :) ''']]''' 13:03, 24 June 2009 (UTC)
			:::::(hey, did you check out my userpage recently?). I hope the Misplaced Pages community will get up and stop the page ] for enough time to actually read and participate in the next phase. If all else is futile, raising awareness is a good thing. I want to see how this saga will continue. ] <sup>]</sup> 13:19, 24 June 2009 (UTC)
			::::::I, for one, would like Optimus Prime to contribute :P ''']]''' 13:32, 24 June 2009 (UTC)
	== RE: Zdravo ==
			== Talk:Kosovo ==
	Se trudam, a za ], nemam raboteno tamu prethodno, ne se razbiram mnogu. --] (]) 23:44, 6 May 2008 (UTC)
			Thanks Balkan, and don't worry about confusing us! There is no offence from me being taken in someone confusing me with Ev; he is a very good editor from what I've seen, and he generally does not get involved with the "heavy" content, he is more concerned with the style of the pages and keeping things non-POV. It might be more damaging to him if people confuse us, especially if I am condemned to the "Block" and he ends up getting it by mistake! :) But that won't happen.<br>
	English translation: Im trying the best I can (making music related articles, improving..), but regarding the Macedonian project you mentioned, I have no experience with it yet --] (]) 23:47, 6 May 2008 (UTC)
			My explanation - not being ''Ev'' - was directed mainly at Fairness, to whom my message was also aimed. He and Metrospex (possibly the same user?) are the ones currently creating controversy by trying to "raise the profile" of Noel Malcolm, a comedian who hides behind a "historian" facade. My own criticism is not towards ethnic Albanians, nor their politicians, but only the works of this author. Thanks for your words of encouragement, and well done on your own contributions acorss the site. Best wishes. ] (]) 14:52, 24 June 2009 (UTC)
			:Just to let you know that I have reported Interestedinfairness ]. --] 18:44, 8 July 2009 (UTC)
	==South Slavs==
	Greetings dear BalkanFever,
	It has been brought to my attention that you are unknowingly perhaps starting a edit-war on ] section. I discourage this and do not wish to engage in aggressive editing with you.
			::Thanks/děkuji/merci/hvala for the update :) ''']]''' 04:22, 9 July 2009 (UTC)
	However it is easy to see from your talk pages, that you are not likely to be considered a NPOW editor on the Balcans subjects, as you are accused of many things so far.
			== Civility ==
	Suggest: You should remove emotions from Misplaced Pages and research for days perhaps before engaging in speedy reactions and so on, does this help?
			Don't please, thank you, and yes, I am sure there was some claim involved which you felt was ridiculous, and perhaps it was but it doesn't matter, and you know that. ] ] 03:16, 8 July 2009 (UTC)
	] (]) 10:23, 7 May 2008 (UTC)
	:Considering you've only been here for about a week, I don't think you can decide whether I am NPOV (V, not W) or "suggest" that I remove "emotions". I don't care at all if Bosniaks are Slavs or not, but you seem to think they're Germans. I don't need to explain anything that I've been accused of to you, either. If you say I'm "unknowingly" entering an edit war, then it means you're prepared to blindly revert, which wouldn't be advisable. And before you call me agressive, I would suggest you tone down your edit summaries. ''']]''' 11:00, 7 May 2008 (UTC)		:Better I tell him that now. If he stops the personal attacks, I'll have no reason to attack him. ''']]''' 03:22, 8 July 2009 (UTC)
			== Помош ==
	:I'm not sure what you want to prove with such edits, but there's no place for such a note about Bosniaks in this section (and besides it sounds too ]). Further - are you sure you come from the Balkans - cause if you do you ought to know what ''Slavia'' means. --'''] <sup>]</sup>''' 10:30, 7 May 2008 (UTC)
			еј здраво ... ми треба твоја подршка за артиклот ]. До сега немаше никаков проблем, но еден од корисниците на википедија нашол голема содржина на „ненеутралност“ според него и бе те замолил да ме подржиш на страницата за разоовор . пиши брзо и голем поззз. ] (]) 22:34, 11 July 2009 (UTC)1111tomica] (]) 22:34, 11 July 2009 (UTC)
	::Thank you, Laveol :). ''']]''' 11:00, 7 May 2008 (UTC)
			:Добро, ќе видам :) ''']]''' 02:30, 12 July 2009 (UTC)
	:: I don't want to prove anything, look I've added Dalmatians too, The difference between Slavs and South Slavs was almost ignored in the article, and it's a very brief and lacking article anyways. I suggest to add stuff to the article instead of removing rich content. The more points the better, especially if they are mentioned elsewhere in Misplaced Pages without opposition. Let me enlighten you on my ways: If I find something elsewhere in Misplaced Pages or another trusted source about South Slavs, then I'll mention it somewhere in brief in the South Slavs article. I also study a lot about DNA related subjects, so I'll mostly tend to focus on those about everyone, since I study the subject a lot, and I suggest you focus on edits relating to subjects you study alot, you should not mistake this for some kind of racism, as these days nobody really thinks Slavs are inferior or others are inferior. My edits are purely scientific related and aimed as such. ] (]) 11:29, 7 May 2008 (UTC)
			еј не знам дали виде напишав на discussion page - от, но почетниот дел на ] не е добар затоа што не се сите видеa во продукција на Сенка филм... те молам поправи ... Поззззз ] (]) 14:26, 13 July 2009 (UTC)1111tomica] (]) 14:26, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
	:::I suggest you stop patronising me by making "suggestions". Misplaced Pages does not care whether you study something or not. You may as well be a construction worker, because original research is not allowed (see ]). WP only cares what reliable sources have to say. You didn't source any of you edits, therefore they can be removed. Learn to cite sources properly. ''']]''' 11:50, 7 May 2008 (UTC)
			Еве замена за врската со Сител кога станува збор за Macedonia Timeless Охрид ги најдов на МИА (http://www.mia.com.mk/default.aspx?vId=65890447&lId=1) ,а еве за Храмовите (http://www.mia.com.mk/default.aspx?vId=65619785&lId=1) а инакау мислам дека сепак композитор на песната е Кирил Џајковски и песната е Учи ме мајко карај ме. И фала ти за поправката на статијата. Би сакал да те прашам лош ми е англискиот??? Бидечќи скоро се што виде пред тоа беше напишано од моја страна :) !!! Aјде поззз ] (]) 08:38, 14 July 2009 (UTC)1111tomica] (]) 08:38, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
	::If you pay attention, none of your Macedonian 'interests' are at risk with my proposed text, why do you bother anyways? ] (]) 13:14, 7 May 2008 (UTC)
			== Political views on the Macedonian language ==
	:::I have no "Macedonian interests". Your proposed text is original research. You really do seem to be a useless POV pusher. Go away. ''']]''' 13:16, 7 May 2008 (UTC)
	:: Look at my text, it's not POW because I pointed it to genetic page, look on that page at the #MAP part, my text just makes a distinction between Slavs and South Slavs, there is one, and origin is it. What do you hate about that? ] (]) 13:35, 7 May 2008 (UTC)
			Please see ]. Thank you. --] (]) 09:08, 12 July 2009 (UTC)
	== South SLavs ==
	Sure, I'll look into it. ] (]) 21:31, 7 May 2008 (UTC)
			:Was already looking at it, but thanks anyway. ''']]''' 09:31, 12 July 2009 (UTC)
	:Yeah. Damn he's annoying. We just have to keep vigilant, becuase a lot of people put effort to make the Balkan/ Slav-related articles NPOV and of a decent quality, and he comes along with his utter nonsense. (And what it ''NPOW'' meant to be- non Prisoner of War ??)] (]) 08:38, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
	== What up? ==		==Glagolitic Alphabet==
			Why exactly did you revert my edit? The Greek "Β" and Latin "V" are identical in sounds.
			] (]) 18:11, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
			:It has nothing to do with "sounds". It is about the origin of the Glagolitic letter. The source, ''The dawn of Slavic'' by A.M Schenker, says that the letter may have originated from Latin V, because of the similarities in shape. ''']]''' 03:23, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
	That Administrative place is a joke. Do you agree? y/y
			Ah, sorry about that then :)
	lol anyway, I can't touch the freaking Kosovo article, so I'm depending on you. ] 10:48, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
			] (]) 04:34, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
	:I haven't spent enough time there to understand what action they actually take with these things... But don't worry about Kosovo, it'll be fine. Not much has been going on in the past few days though, which is weird. I'll keep an eye out for anything suspect. You can just sit back and relax :) ''']]''' 11:05, 8 May 2008 (UTC)		:Not a problem. Have a nice day :) ''']]''' 04:54, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
			== Cyrillic Polish ==
			Hey. I notice you also had an Cyrillic orthography for the Polish language. Mine's very similar to yours, save for a few details. I actually started it out about a year ago. You may remember I even requested a Misplaced Pages in Cyrillic Polish, but I was unfamiliar with the guidelines at the time. You can see for yourself and comment / compliment it, or give the advantages or the disadvantages. ] to visit my page on Cyrillic Polish! ]] 09:46, 17 July 2009 (UTC)
	WHY DON'T YOU USE ENGLISH! WHAT THE FUCK! USE ENGLISH NOW! ] 00:58, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
	:I'm going to assume that's a joke....so LOL. ''']]''' 09:25, 9 May 2008 (UTC)		:That's a pretty good version I must say. I see how you've used only current letters as opposed to some of my deprecated ones, and how you go about other "problems" in orthography like nasals. Thanks for the link :) ''']]''' 04:16, 19 July 2009 (UTC)
			:Love the Polish Cyrillic idea! I created an Anglo-Cyrillic alphabet a few years ago, mainly for passing around secret codes in English. After seeing the success of Polsko-Cyrillic, I might as well post it, though it doesn't work as well as with Polish, since English is not Slavic and so the alphabet is purely phonetic. --] (]) 17:28, 30 October 2009 (UTC)
	::haha yeah. I got your back on that stuff. And I hope you laughed it up because that joke cost me my ban. The banning admin said he was going to go easy my ban considering the evidence until he read this talk page! lol, I suck at wikipedia. ] 15:16, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
			==]==
	:::That's crazy. This is a completely different issue (not even that, because it's a joke). Oh well, the Kosovo talk page is still quiet, so you're not missing anything. ''']]''' 02:48, 10 May 2008 (UTC)
			You are invited to join ] and join the ''']''' and ''']''' (to help you learn French!!). The aim is to draw up a full directory of missing articles from each[REDACTED] (and anywhere else) and build a team of translators to work at bridging the gaps in knowledge and to improve existing articles by translation. We need your help, your language skills are crucial! Also if you are interested in the Serbian, Croatian or Bosnian projects you might be interested in those too. If you know anybody who might be interested please pass the message on! ] <sup>]</sup> 16:21, 2 August 2009 (UTC)
			:Thanks for the tip, Blofeld. I also realised that my French skills have greatly improved since when I put that template on my userpage :) Will definitely pass this on to some of the users more active at mk wiki.. ''']]''' 08:07, 3 August 2009 (UTC)
			Welcome! I'll put your name down for the Macedonian work group anyway. Yes let as many people know, I'm sure many have shared interests to improve coverage of the Balkan countries in the english world so translators will be needed. Then there will be the freedom to request articles within the project sapce. The idea is that we go through categories on a different[REDACTED] and root out the missing articles..] <sup>]</sup> 08:18, 3 August 2009 (UTC)
	Yeah well....lol. I've asked him to investigate Husond now anyway. Husond is comparing me to Kosova2k8, saying that "Beam obviously hasn't learned his lesson" and that me and Kosova2k8 are similar. Anyway, you might enjoy his rant.
			:Sounds good. ''']]''' 08:51, 3 August 2009 (UTC)
	And yeah the article is quiet. Too quiet. It's kind of shady actually. I've been working on some Kosovo content on the economy and employment. It's actually pretty good stuff, if my ban doesn't get lifted soon I'd like to post it here and get your opinion. I'll talk to you later. ] 05:45, 10 May 2008 (UTC)
			== Pobrecito ==
	:I'm happy for you to post it here; or alternatively you could create your own sandbox: ]. Although it would probably be wise to ask Rudget if the topic ban prevents you from doing either of those things. Btw it's already been 5 days.... ''']]''' 06:53, 10 May 2008 (UTC)
			If you are still around, you attention to the ] article would be appreciated. Thanks in many languages, ] (]) 23:50, 28 October 2009 (UTC)
	== VOTE ==
	Please bro vote here!
	http://en.wikipedia.org/Template_talk:Ethnic_Macedonians
	regards
	] 12:58, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
			:Local Hero added a source so I guess anything more from Mr. Minority could be deleted as vandalism. I'll try keep an eye out, but I'm quite slow these days ;) ''']]''' 07:07, 29 October 2009 (UTC)
	== Help ==
			==]==
	Hi. In the "macedonia naming dispute" article I've changed the sentence "According to the press in Skopje" to "According to press in Macedonia" in the "NATO and EU accession talks" section. But now, the footnote 74 still leads to a Greek news source. I found a Macedonian paper that published the proposal but I don't know how to put it as a footnote (and delete the previous one). I was wondering if you can help me with that. The link to the Maco paper is ] (]) 23:03, 10 May 2008 (UTC)
			I just sent you an email, but in case it does not get through to you, I thought I should write to you here, as well. I am hoping you can help me with the ] article, to translate it into Macedonian. I have a condensed version of the article that I can send to you (about 1500 words). Thank you, Scott 03:14, 14 December 2009 (UTC)] (])
			== Radmila Šekerinska ==
	:Done. Basically, you modify a citation template (found ]) to include the necessary info about the source (url, title, etc) and wrap it in a "ref" tag (see ]), placing it after the text you are citing. ''']]''' 05:29, 11 May 2008 (UTC)
			Is there any particular reason you placed the IPA stress for the penult rather than antepenult? --] (]) 10:40, 11 March 2010 (UTC)
	::Thanks ] (]) 03:25, 14 May 2008 (UTC)
			:To match the audio, which was recorded by a native speaker. ''']]''' 10:56, 11 March 2010 (UTC)
	== Bulgarians ==
			== Free Rim Jobs! ==
	:::Hy,I woud need some help from you?Do you think that SPUF is neutral administrator,or which one is???
	I was in an edit war whit LAveol about article about Bulgarians,and there is litle census data about Bulgarians in the world,all sources are from Bulgarian foregin ministry,and they are in Bulgarian,also the info about Bulgarians in Albania is just an article from news paper!!
	The official stance of Albnian govermant is that,there is no Bulgarian minorety in Albania!!!
	Look at article and discussion page.] (]) 10:03, 11 May 2008 (UTC)
	::::Are you intereset about reading the article of St.Climent of Ohrid???I thik that that aricle is controversal,and is showing only Bolgarian poit of veiw!] (]) 09:35, 11 May 2008 (UTC)
			What up? How are you? ] 12:56, 6 July 2010 (UTC)
	:::::Not really; I don't have enough time to argue with everybody about everything, especially about the ethnic character of some 10th century saint. Have fun over there. ''']]''' 09:42, 11 May 2008 (UTC)
			:*Zdravey az sum nov tuk i moyat angliyski ne e mnogo silen.Moje li da mi pomognesh?razbirash li Turski?--] (]) 12:53, 7 October 2010 (UTC)
			::What? ] 04:05, 4 April 2011 (UTC)
			==Your feedback is requested==
			]
	:BULGARIANS,some info for you,maybe you will need it.NO BULGARIANS IN ALBANIA
	*
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	* --] (]) 20:52, 23 May 2008 (UTC)
			] is conducting a ] regarding its future goals, and we have identified you as a person with a vested interest in the future of that project. Whether you are a member of the WikiProject, a frequent contributor, or a passerby with an interest in the subject, we want your input as to the future emphasis that the Writing Systems project will take. Please take a moment to peruse the entries and add your comments where you have an opinion. You can visit the poll ], or on the project image, 書, on the right.
	== Favor ? ==
			== Solidarity with the Russian Misplaced Pages blackout ==
	Hi ,<br>
			Hi. Excuse me for using your talkpage for something that is ongoing on the Macedonian Misplaced Pages, where we're collecting support from greater number of users as a solidarity reaction towards the Russian Misplaced Pages and their blackout today. You can express your support by signing your username on ]. Best regards.--] (]) 15:23, 10 July 2012 (UTC)
	Im sorry to bother you but I was wondering if you cold do me a favor<br>
	If you could please go to the albanian[REDACTED] and notify user Bet_0 at his , tell him that I have been autoblocked and to deblock me (in english of course), I would post a message on my own talk page there but for some reason I cant edit it, I also sent him an email but who knows when he will check it, I would really appreciate it if you cold do that<br>
	Thanks a lot in advance --]] 12:01, 11 May 2008 (UTC)
			== An article you worked on has been nominated for deletion ==
	Done :). ''']]''' 12:10, 11 May 2008 (UTC)
			] has been nomiated for deletion. If you would like to comment on the discussion, it is located at ] ] (]) 18:26, 19 October 2012 (UTC)
	:Thanks a lot friend, I really appreciate it :) --]] 12:11, 11 May 2008 (UTC)
			== Czech Cyrillic ==
	::No problem. I asked him in Macedonian too, on the off chance that he didn't understand. ''']]''' 12:15, 11 May 2008 (UTC)
	:::Thats Ok, he speaks english , and thanks again --]] 12:25, 11 May 2008 (UTC)
	{| style="border: 1px solid gray; background-color: #fdffe7;"
	|rowspan="2" valign="middle" | ]
	|rowspan="2" |
	|style="font-size: x-large; padding: 0; vertical-align: middle; height: 1.1em;" | '''The Random Acts of Kindness Barnstar'''
	|-
	|style="vertical-align: middle; border-top: 1px solid gray;" | For helping me out --]] 12:44, 11 May 2008 (UTC)
	|}
			Do you have a Czech Cyrillic alphabet?
	Faleminderit! :D ''']]''' 13:30, 11 May 2008 (UTC)
			--] (]) 17:35, 5 July 2013 (UTC)
	== ]? ==
			== Invitation to all Macedonian users to create an art. on Igor Janev on English Misplaced Pages ==
	What's all about? ] (]) 15:17, 11 May 2008 (UTC)
			This is an invitation to all Macedonian users to create an art. on Igor Janev (at English Misplaced Pages),
	:Turns out that was . I reverted the four most recent 4 edits, but I didn't pick up on that. ''']]''' 08:44, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
			please see Talk Page
			http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=User_talk:Jimbo_Wales&diff=next&oldid=603995897
	== Economy of Kosovo ==
			Furher see sources
	The economy of Kosovo has been mostly affected by the ] and ] in the 90s, and recent political ]. Issues with infrastructure such as an unreliable ] impede economic process. That is not to say that there hasn't been any progress; in the city of Pristina there have been recent additions of new cafes and shopping malls supported by the youth of Kosovo. The unemployment rate is estimated at 50%. Currently Kosovo imports about $1,900,000,000 (USD) with exports only at $130,000,000 (USD), a net deficit of $1,770,000,000 (USD). With projected political stability and a continuing process of diplomatic relations with the West, the Kosovo economy is expected to benefit. Natural resources available in Kosovo include 14 billion tons of lignite coal reserves which in the future will be used to fuel a new power plant by the year 2012. Other resources, as British geologists found during a recent survey, include minerals such as deposits of nickel, lead, zinc cadmium, bauxite, and small amounts of gold.
	The main area of attention regarding Kosovo's economy has been the infrastructure. According to the ], with political stability and infrastructure improvement the energy sector will bring opportunity for economic advancement. With foreign investment creating jobs for the local population, especially the youth, both poverty and unemployment can be reduced. Also, agriculture has been looked into as another potential source for economic growth. Kosovo's neighbours, including Serbia, will play a significant role in future economics. ], as of February 2008, has pledged greater economic ties. Turkey states that nearly 90% of consumer goods found in Kosovo are of Turkish origin, and with massive amounts of capital Kosovo can build a sound infrastructure. Serbia, followed by Macedonia and Turkey respectively, is Kosovo's biggest trading partner. Serbia will play a vital role in Kosovo's economy with both regions depending on each other for trade.
			http://mk.wikipedia.org/%D0%98%D0%B3%D0%BE%D1%80_%D0%88%D0%B0%D0%BD%D0%B5%D0%B2
			http://ru.wikipedia.org/%D0%AF%D0%BD%D0%B5%D0%B2,_%D0%98%D0%B3%D0%BE%D1%80%D1%8C
	(paragraph1)http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/05/world/europe/05kosovo.html (05/05/2008). (paragraph2)http://web.worldbank.org/WBSITE/EXTERNAL/COUNTRIES/ECAEXT/KOSOVOEXTN/0,,contentMDK:20629286~menuPK:297777~pagePK:141137~piPK:141127~theSitePK:297770,00.html#Economy
	(paragraph2)http://www.turkishdailynews.com.tr/article.php?enewsid=97108
			He is professor in Macedonia , member of NYAS, he publ. 160 scholarly art., 17 books in Int. Law, Foreign policy and Diplomacy. He discovered the ULTRA VIRES act of UN in the process of admission of Macedonia in UN (published in AJIL, Vol.93. no 1.)--16:51, 11. april 2014 (CEST)
			http://www.mia.mk/en/Inside/RenderSingleNews/289/105947751
	We will include some of the stuff already there too. What do you think? ] 20:55, 11 May 2008 (UTC)
			or at MINA : http://macedoniaonline.eu/content/view/21668/45/
			or http://www.makemigration.com/iselenistvoweb/index.php?page=iselenici&id=247&tip_iselenici=7
			http://s241910817.onlinehome.us/html/articles/janev/janev.html
	:Pretty good, but words like rampant and shaky probably shouldn't be included (] and/or ]). Great work though! ''']]''' 09:00, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
			or http://www.mkd.mk/makedonija/politika/nekoj-go-brishe-igor-janev-od-vikipedija
	So you're just going to point out the fact I suck without making the changes to it? Pfffft, help me do it don't just point out I suck. ] 01:00, 13 May 2008 (UTC)
			or his contribution to US recognition of Macedonia under Republic of Macedonia
	:I will soon - I'm just a bit busy at the moment. ''']]''' 10:53, 13 May 2008 (UTC)
			http://dobarglas.info/naslovna_v6.htm
	from me. The last part about Serbia is a bit weird though; considering they don't recognise Kosovo I don't think they will help the government or it's economy - except maybe the Serb areas... But I don't have any ideas of how to word any of that, or if any of that should be included. Your turn :D ''']]''' 12:24, 13 May 2008 (UTC)
			http://www.makedonskosonce.com/broevis/2008/sonce748.pdf/12_15_janev.pdf
			Furthermore Macedonian media shocked on attempt to delete Janev from Misplaced Pages
	==Macedonian User Boxes==
			http://www.time.mk/c/61e6ad16de/janev-postoi-praven-lek-za-imeto.html
	Cheers, ive added that user box to my page. Yeh my other box is funny lol. I edited it from a user boxer which user the cat and the dog has on his page . I love the one i created haha ] (]) 16:44, 14 May 2008 (UTC)
			http://www.makdenes.org/content/article/1956873.html
	== Macedonian Voice ==
			http://www.mkd.mk/54357/makedonija/se-ceka-na-potpisot-na-ivanov-rezolucija-janev-on
	Hi. I made an article about the newspaper ] and there I one of the oldest designs for .
	This can be used in many Republic of Macedonia related articles that do with continuancy of our state. The same symbol of the sun occurs on the flag from 1914 as in all the consecutive flags. Greets. (] (]) 14:00, 20 May 2008 (UTC))
			LEGAL ASPECTS OF THE USE OF A PROVISIONAL NAME FOR MACEDONIA IN THE UNITED NATIONS SYSTEM
			citation:
			See : https://www.google.com/search?q=Igor+Janev&btnG=Search+Books&tbm=bks&tbo=1
	==AfD nomination of Bulgarians in Albania==
			http://macedonianhr.org.au/wip/images/stories/pdf/1252648063581.pdf
	]An article that you have been involved in editing, ], has been listed for ]. If you are interested in the deletion discussion, please participate by adding your comments at ]. Thank you. <small>Do you want to ] of receiving this notice?</small><!-- Template:adw -->--] (]) 09:04, 26 May 2008 (UTC)
			see cit.http://www.etd.ceu.hu/2009/bajalski_borko.pdf
			http://sam.gov.tr/on-the-uns-legal-responsibility-for-the-irregular-admission-of-macedonia-to-un/
	== Map ==
			http://www.sar.org.ro/polsci/?p=264
	It looks like it's high time to start the discussion on the subject. I think a compromise of the sort - the map on the MK language article and the BG language articles to be removed. Both look sourced and both represent a POV - therefore I don't see why one should stand and the other - no. Your opinion? --'''] <sup>]</sup>''' 14:46, 26 May 2008 (UTC)
	:See my comment on ]. ] ] 15:01, 26 May 2008 (UTC)
	:I'm all for compromise, when it's needed. The background map of Bulgaria is definitely from the CIA, but the Bulgarian-speaking areas are Komita's ], not to mention POV-pushing. He couldn't even push it properly since the map cuts off half of Macedonia. Also, he seems to be lying about his language skills. I think we should try discuss before we revert each other - I don't mean this as an accusation or threat or anything, but things like this and Bulgar alphabet seem kind of weird... Maybe it's my inadequate edit summaries (tell me if it is) but the changes I see from some (other) Bulgarian users are a bit suss, and in my mind they obviously need to go, so I don't bother explaining in the summary. I don't doubt you have the same feeling with other (hopefully not me ;-)) Macedonian users. ''']]''' 12:22, 27 May 2008 (UTC)
			http://www.makedonskosonce.com/broevis/2008/sonce713.pdf/16_17_janev.pdf
	::Laveol compromise is not showing all of macedonia as bulgarian speaking, while a small are in the petrich region is shown as macedonian. What kind of compromise is that. If anything the Map showing the petrich region '''is''' the compromise! Imagine if it showed all of pirin macedonia as macedonian speaking?! ] (]) 10:38, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
			http://www.crpm.org.mk/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/Policy-Brief-NatoMak.pdf
	==Codex Zographensis==
			http://denesen.mk/web/2013/08/31/janev-postoi-praven-lek-za-imeto/
	Where did you find the correct spelling of the Codex Zographensis in OCS? Or have you studied OCS? Поздрав, ] (]) 07:51, 27 May 2008 (UTC)
	:BTW, you may want to archive sections of this talk page as it's over 200 kilobytes long. --] (]) 07:52, 27 May 2008 (UTC)
			ULTRA VIRES act of UN organs is relevant, see
	:I asked ] over at mk wiki. But he, like Future, stated that the codex wouldn't have an actual name in OCS because it's just the surviving part of some book written back then. ''']]''' 10:45, 27 May 2008 (UTC)
			http://www.mkd.mk/makedonija/politika/nekoj-go-brishe-igor-janev-od-vikipedija
			http://osaka.law.miami.edu/~froomkin/articles/ccTLDs-TM.pdf , When we say US, p. 845, note 28.
			G. Ivanov, "Recalling that the International Court of Justice 1948 advisory opinion had determined that placing additional criteria on United Nations membership contravened the United Nations Charter", http://gadebate.un.org/67/former-yugoslav-republic-macedonia
			Thomas D. Grant, Admission to the United Nations, Martinus pub. , pp. 203-212 http://books.google.rs/books?id=5Uuv0NLNdZQC&pg=PA322&lpg=PA322&dq=Igor+Janev+Admission+to+the&source=bl&ots=6DgOwcDxtS&sig=4DlZpp7DCtAOeeMqhjvN0QviEl0&hl=sr&sa=X&ei=GERKU9ivOsXOtQaD9oGIDA&ved=0CFkQ6AEwBA#v=onepage&q=Igor%20Janev%20Admission%20to%20the&f=false
			Regards to all! -] (]) 07:13, 15 April 2014 (UTC)
	Pfft, archiving isn't for strong people like BalkanFever. ] 09:52, 27 May 2008 (UTC)
			== Invitation to all mac. users to create an art. on Igor Janev on Eng. Misplaced Pages ==
	:LOL. ''']]''' 10:45, 27 May 2008 (UTC)
	::Yes, that's right. --] (]) 14:53, 27 May 2008 (UTC)
	== a Thank You and a I'm Sorry ==
			Invitation to all mac. users to create an art. on Igor Janev,
	I thank you for the award. It's my first, unbelievable huh? Also, I'm sorry but I'm not ] for the type of ] i'm pretty sure you're looking for. But that doesn't mean we can't be friends! I do appreciate our friendship though, truly I do. It's nice to actually have an ] to stand by me. While we ] agree on ], I think that's part of what makes it work. See you around! ] 15:05, 27 May 2008 (UTC)
			please see
			http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=User_talk:Jimbo_Wales&diff=next&oldid=603995897
	==Indefinite to definite!==
	I have been suggested to contact you by kekrop, i think you know my case nothing unusual i assume....There was an overreaction by F.P at al I think ,we can make a deal , can you help??.. ] <small>—Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 10:00, 28 May 2008 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
			Furher see sources
	:Well, he's a "comedian". And you're definitely blocked, so... ''']]''' 10:35, 28 May 2008 (UTC)
	Thanks for the votes, I can see that you did like Albanian song, or you did not have any choice after all… <small>—Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 10:44, 28 May 2008 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
			http://mk.wikipedia.org/%D0%98%D0%B3%D0%BE%D1%80_%D0%88%D0%B0%D0%BD%D0%B5%D0%B2
	:I'm in Australia - I wasn't able to vote; but it was a good song nonetheless. If Gaxha and co. made it through I would be giving you a Faleminderit :) ''']]''' 11:03, 28 May 2008 (UTC)
			http://ru.wikipedia.org/%D0%AF%D0%BD%D0%B5%D0%B2,_%D0%98%D0%B3%D0%BE%D1%80%D1%8C
	::Thanks I know, we all are "comedians", can you act as negotiator, i just open a discussion with him FP, actually I am banned <small>—Preceding ] comment added by ] (] • ]) 18:54, 4 June 2008 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
			He is famous Univ. professor in Macedonia , member of NYAS, he publ. 160 scholarly art., 17 books in Int. Law, Foreign policy and Diplomacy. He discovered the ULTRA VIRES act of UN in the process of admission of Macedonia in UN (published in AJIL, Vol.93. no 1.)--16:51, 11. april 2014 (CEST)
	== The Name Of Mountain Peak Ljuboten ==
			http://www.mia.mk/en/Inside/RenderSingleNews/289/105947751
	I saw your revision on the article about Ljuboten (]).
			or at MINA : http://macedoniaonline.eu/content/view/21668/45/
			or http://www.makemigration.com/iselenistvoweb/index.php?page=iselenici&id=247&tip_iselenici=7
			http://s241910817.onlinehome.us/html/articles/janev/janev.html
	Can you tell me why you made that revision? Was it a fake article supplement?
			or http://www.mkd.mk/makedonija/politika/nekoj-go-brishe-igor-janev-od-vikipedija
	Also, can you please answer on my questions on the ]?
	Thanks! --] (]) 14:24, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
			or his contribution to US recognition of Macedonia under Republic of Macedonia
	== Questions on Nymfaio ==
			http://dobarglas.info/naslovna_v6.htm
	I am new to Misplaced Pages...but I think you edited the content on the Nymfaio page....
			http://www.makedonskosonce.com/broevis/2008/sonce748.pdf/12_15_janev.pdf
			Furthermore Macedonian media shocked on attempt to delete Janev from Misplaced Pages
	I recently visited Nymfaio and had the opportunity to talk to the locals (my grandfather who is a registerd Macedonian fighter), and you deleted a completely true comment.
			http://www.time.mk/c/61e6ad16de/janev-postoi-praven-lek-za-imeto.html
	My questions are:
			http://www.makdenes.org/content/article/1956873.html
	1) Have you ever visited Nymfaio or Neveska?
			http://www.mkd.mk/54357/makedonija/se-ceka-na-potpisot-na-ivanov-rezolucija-janev-on
	2) Do you have any information that I might not be aware of on Nymfaio
			LEGAL ASPECTS OF THE USE OF A PROVISIONAL NAME FOR MACEDONIA IN THE UNITED NATIONS SYSTEM
	3) Your reasoning in deleting the statement regarding the local Vlachs fighting during the Macedonian Wars?
			citation:
			See : https://www.google.com/search?q=Igor+Janev&btnG=Search+Books&tbm=bks&tbo=1
	Thank you for your time... <small>—Preceding ] comment added by ] (] • ]) 19:19, 29 May 2008 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
			http://macedonianhr.org.au/wip/images/stories/pdf/1252648063581.pdf
			see cit.http://www.etd.ceu.hu/2009/bajalski_borko.pdf
			http://sam.gov.tr/on-the-uns-legal-responsibility-for-the-irregular-admission-of-macedonia-to-un/
	== Bulgarians in Albania ==
			http://www.sar.org.ro/polsci/?p=264
	What do you think of ]? --] (]) 07:30, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
			http://www.makedonskosonce.com/broevis/2008/sonce713.pdf/16_17_janev.pdf
	:I think it will be kept, but I'm not going to bother voting anyway. Some are actually trying to de-POV it, but the obstinacy of one guy is quite obviously pissing them off. ''']]''' 07:36, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
			http://www.crpm.org.mk/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/Policy-Brief-NatoMak.pdf
	==Prlicev==
			http://denesen.mk/web/2013/08/31/janev-postoi-praven-lek-za-imeto/
	Isn't this vandalism ??--] (]) 17:15, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
			ULTRA VIRES act of UN organs is relevant
	==Chrysobull==
			http://www.mkd.mk/makedonija/politika/nekoj-go-brishe-igor-janev-od-vikipedija
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			http://osaka.law.miami.edu/~froomkin/articles/ccTLDs-TM.pdf , When we say US, p. 845, note 28.
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			G. Ivanov, "Recalling that the International Court of Justice 1948 advisory opinion had determined that placing additional criteria on United Nations membership contravened the United Nations Charter", http://gadebate.un.org/67/former-yugoslav-republic-macedonia
	{{{1|] (])}}} has given you a ]! Chrysobulls promote ] and hopefully this one has made your day better. Share the WikiLove and civility with everyone and keep up the excellent editing (''hoc est'' :])!
			Thomas D. Grant, Admission to the United Nations, Martinus pub. , pp. 203-212 http://books.google.rs/books?id=5Uuv0NLNdZQC&pg=PA322&lpg=PA322&dq=Igor+Janev+Admission+to+the&source=bl&ots=6DgOwcDxtS&sig=4DlZpp7DCtAOeeMqhjvN0QviEl0&hl=sr&sa=X&ei=GERKU9ivOsXOtQaD9oGIDA&ved=0CFkQ6AEwBA#v=onepage&q=Igor%20Janev%20Admission%20to%20the&f=false
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	:Why, thank you :-) ''']]''' 04:49, 31 May 2008 (UTC)
			== Neotarf suggested that art. on Name issue (at eng. Misplaced Pages) should be updated ==
	== Florina, Bitola ==
			Dear Users on Macedonian Misplaced Pages, american user Neotarf suggested that art. on Name issue (at eng. Misplaced Pages)
			http://en.wikipedia.org/Macedonia_naming_dispute should be updated. Please see Jimbo Wales Talk Page: http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=User_talk:Jimbo_Wales&diff=next&oldid=603995897 --] (]) 15:59, 16 April 2014 (UTC)
			==WikiProject Intertranswiki==
	I actually agree with you about name sections, but it seems that the consensus is otherwise. --] (]) 06:02, 31 May 2008 (UTC)
			Hi. In 2009 you joined up for the wikiproject ]. The project has since ceased activity but is currently being given a kick start due to its importance and the coordination needed to translate content from other wikipedias. If you're still active and are still interested please visit the bottom of ] and add a <nowiki>{{tick}}</nowiki> by your name within the next week so the project can do a recount and update. Thank you. --]<sup>]</sup><sub>]</sub> 05:18, 29 April 2015 (UTC)
			== ] ==
	:The thing is, there never actually seems to be a stable consensus. From what I've seen, something happens on an individual article once in a while, and it either goes to a productive discussion or just slow-motion revert warring. The discussions generally don't bring ''consensus'', and if they do, it's as if it's only for that specific city/town. Turkish and Greek names is apparently the worst case. ''']]''' 06:19, 31 May 2008 (UTC)
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			== Polish Cyrillic Alphabet ==
	:Ναι, τέλος ''']]''' 13:40, 1 June 2008 (UTC)
			In your 'Letters that represent different phonemes' section of one of your wikipages ], you write 'Ӂ ӂ - Represented /dʒ/ in Moldovan but represents /ʑ/ here. Џ џ was already used to represent /dʒ/ and there was no Cyrillic letter representing /ʑ/ (separately from /ʒ/ or /ʐ/). The phoneme /ʑ/ is similar to the phoneme /ʐ/ and so this is reflected here: Ӂ ӂ is similar to Ж ж.' Specifically, 'there was no Cyrillic letter representing /ʑ/' of which there is, except the fact it's only used in one language: Montengrin and I can understand why you might not have known it existed as I did. And this is what it looks like, it is Ze with an acute: ]. This letter is slavic instead of the Zhe with a breve used in Gagauz and Moldovan Cyrillic. Just wanted you to know.
	== IP trolls ==
			--] (]) 15:33, 8 July 2020 (UTC)Wolfeschlegelsteinhausenbergerdorff
	Thankyou for reporting the abusive sockpuppeteer on the admins' noticeboard. A discussion has resulted in ] blocking all given IPs for 6 months. Initially I blocked them indefinately due to the severity of what the troll had used them for, but it was reviewed and 6 months is the result. I think that's the bst option at the end of it all however. Damage is avoided that way. Regards, <span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS,sans-serif">]]</span> 11:36, 4 June 2008 (UTC)
	:Thanks :) ''']]''' 11:40, 4 June 2008 (UTC)
	::I've blocked the latest one for 6 months as well. There isn't a range block in place - I'll ask for thoughts at ]. Regards, ]] 10:16, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
	::See ] ]] 10:23, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
	:::OK, thanks. ''']]''' 10:43, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
	==]==
	I have noticed your editing in this article :) Can you please look for velebit puppet which is deleting statement confirmed with NPOV internet links ( and ), and writing new statement confirmed by his obscure book. Thanks--] (]) 14:30, 6 June 2008 (UTC)
	No problem. I'll be on the lookout. ''']]''' 02:03, 7 June 2008 (UTC)
	==Republic of Macedonia Naming Dispute==
	You are making edits that are not following the Misplaced Pages Manual of Style regarding Macedonia-related articles. It says:
	:<i>In templates linking only to country articles - Use "Macedonia", linked to Republic of Macedonia</i>
	The article ] links only to country articles, so I have changed your edit in ], to <nowiki>]</nowiki>. ] (]) 22:54, 6 June 2008 (UTC)
	== ethnic dab ==
	ako ako... nema problema :) ] (]) 05:27, 7 June 2008 (UTC)
	== re: ==
	i know the joshua project can be retarded but there probably is 10,000 bulgarophiles in macedonia :L ] (]) 13:33, 8 June 2008 (UTC)
	:Ljubčo-style Bulgarophiles or just guys who like Bulgarians more than our other neighbours? ;-) ''']]''' 13:58, 8 June 2008 (UTC)
	::Definately "Ljubčo-style Bulgarophiles" lol. ] (]) 22:08, 18 June 2008 (UTC)
	==]==
	Što znaeš za nego? Mislam deka e naš. Ako imaš infos pls sredi. Fala--] (]) 21:45, 8 June 2008 (UTC)
	:Naš e, da, no neznam ništo posebno za nego. Kje gledam. ''']]''' 02:08, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
	I'll have to remind you guys that this is an English Misplaced Pages and just because you made up your own special language doesn't mean you can use it. You've been warned. ] 02:21, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
	:Actually, it's just Australian English. Unfortunately not intelligible to our American counterparts. ''']]''' 02:29, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
	But...but... I AM AN AMERICAN COUNTERPART!!!! BBBBBBBBBAAAAAAAAAAAAAWWWWWWWWWWWWW ] 02:34, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
	== What? ==
	What the hell? What's a Pro-Serb "veer"? More Australian bullshit? ] 04:44, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
	:Lol no - I meant that calling everyone else pro-Serb (it's a verb) on trolling. ''']]''' 04:51, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
	::I thought about it, stop using words I don't understand. And before you say it, yes I know that's very limiting. ] 11:07, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
	:::''Or'' you could just google any word you don't understand, thereby expanding your vocab. And I like getting new messages from you. Not anyone else though :D ''']]''' 11:49, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
	==Hi==
	A..., here is some info, which you could insert in article M..., you know that for me is forbiden, it is about peoples liveing in Belgium, please corect that number if you can, you can find the numbers . Pozdrav --] (]) 13:55, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
	:Ok, I'll do it in a few days when I have time. Right now I'm pretty busy. Pozdrav. ''']]''' 08:26, 10 June 2008 (UTC)
	==Lend me a hand..or==
	<h3>an opinion. The current map in the Kosova article is just plain POV. I have brought this issue up a long time ago when the Kosova article kept being re-written and I believe it was Beam who had the last word and put the map that is right now. These two maps that I want annexed in the article are 1. non-pov and 2.very useful
	</h3>
	:1.]
	:2.]
	Tell me what you think, reply in my talkpage please.
	~~Ari
	--] (]) 04:06, 10 June 2008 (UTC)
	===Signature===
	Thank you for the advice until I noticed that it was showing up as Ari, LOL. I like the new one I will keep it as
	Kosova2008 because it holds a special meaning to me. You of course can & may call me Ari. ] (]) 20:06, 11 June 2008 (UTC) Like this ] (])
	== Kostas Novakis ==
	:The article ] has been completely changed by ] into one which I can only argue as POV pushing (). The current article has removed most Macedonian sources which shows he states his language is Macedonian, he is ethnic Macedonian and so on. I luckily have saved Macedonia related articles which I knew would be changed constantly, but I am banned from editing Macedonia related issues. You can easily compare the older version below to the current article to view it is in fact POV pushed. Since I cannot edit Macedonia related issues, please use this template to create an article which is fair and neutral. Please tell other Macedonians on Misplaced Pages to keep a watch on the article. ] (]) 23:11, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
	:I added a few things. Hopefully more to follow. ''']]''' 06:23, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
	== Macedonia naming issue ==
	Greeks are deleting a discussion post in which I source irresponsible Greek behavior towards Macedonians based on the name issue. They are so afraid of people knowing the information they won't even allow it in the discussion page. Please use these sources and add appropriately to the ] and '''TELL OTHER MACEDONIANS TO HELP''' ] (]) 23:46, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
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	BalkanFever, the nationalist? Really? That's too bad. ] 00:04, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
	== Interesting idea ==
	And what about the Serbian provinces? --] (]) 12:49, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
	:Either you choose, I'll support you. --] (]) 13:10, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
	::There's practically no more active ex Yugoslavian user. Most are either retired or inactive. I guess ] is one of the few exceptions. --] (]) 13:19, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
	== Macedonian Australians ==
	kako si? gud?
	I was just wondering would you be able to do a little article about the Macedonians of Melbourne ]? I would do it myself but i am not familiar enough with the melbourne macedonian community. Also some good images would help if you have any? Thanks, cao] (]) 09:48, 18 June 2008 (UTC)
	What? ] 10:46, 18 June 2008 (UTC)
	== Re. Macedonian ==
	Hello BalkanFever. Sure, here you are:
	----------
	'''FARMAKOINFORMATIVNI CENTRI
	'''
	Vistinskata uloga na farmacevtot se sostoi vo poznavaweto na sigurnata i racionalna farmakoterapija. Dobivaweto na informacii za lekovite, obezbeduvawe na informacii, kako za javnosta, taka i za zdravstvenite rabotnici od site nivoa na zdravstvenata za{tita, pretstavuva edna od osnovnite profesionalni odgovornosti na farmacevtite. Informaciite za lekovite mo`at da bidat nameneti za posebni pacienti kako integralen del od farmacevtskata gri`a ili za ostanatata populacija so cel da doprinesat vo donesuvaweto odluki za racionalna farmakoterapija i vo evaluiraweto na upotreba na lekot.
	Za obezbeduvawe na relevantni, efikasni informacii farmacevtite treba da gi procenuvaat potrebite za farmakoinformacii od strana na pacientite i zdravstvenite rabotnici, da koristat sistemski priod vo upatuvaweto na potrebata za farmakoinformacii dobieni so efektivno procenuvawe na literaturata i soodvetno komunicirawe. Najdobar na~in da se vovede racionalna terapija e preku organizirana informaciska mre`a, koja kontinuiranno sobira, ~uva, ocenuva i komunicira so pogodna informacija za lekovite.
	Farmacevstkata gri`a e definirana kako: odgovorna merka za farmakoterapijata so cel
	da se postigne rezultat koj }e go podobri `ivotniot pat na pacientite.
	Enormniot porast na lekovi i informaciite za nesakani dejstva i interakcii nalo`uva lekarot
	i drugite zdravstveni rabotnici da bidat vo tek so najnovite slu~uvawa za da odgovorat na
	potrebite na svoite pacienti i kako rezultat na toa se javuva potrebata za postoewe na visoka profesionalna institucija, koja }e vr{i analizirawe, evaluirawe, integrirawe
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	Farmakoinformativniot centar pretstavuva visoko profesionalen servis
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	Aktivnostite na FIC mo`e da se podelat na tri op{ti grupi: uslu`na dejnost, edukacija i istra`uvawe.
	'''1.''' '''Vo uslu`na dejnost spa|aat''': odgovarawe na pra{awa, evaluacija na promotivniot i klini~ki ispituvaniot materijal, izdavawe publikacii.
	a) Odgovaraweto na pra{awa pretstavuva integralen del od sekojdnevnata rutina na farmacevtite. Tie objektivno ja procenuvaat i primenuvaat informacijata od literaturata i pri toa vnnimatelno go razgleduvaat eti~kiot i zakonskiot aspekt na odgovorot na baraweto. Pri odgovarawe se davaat informacii i soveti, zemaj}i gi vo predvid simptomite na bolesta, doziraweto, farmakogenetikata na lekot, indikaciite, nesakanite efekti, interakciite i kontraindikaciite. Celta e da se obezbedi to~no i jasno prezentirawe na odgovorot. Za na~inot na prezentacija na odgovorot bitno e da se znae za koj auditorium e namenet. Pri podgotovka na odgovorot, farmakoinformati~arot gi evaluira informaciite spored:
	- relevantnosta na pra{alnikot;
	- kvalitetot na podatocite;
	- relevantnosta na pobaruva~ot.
	Barawata i odgovorite na pacientot se dokumentirani vo medicinsko dosie.
	b) Evaluacija na promotivniot i klini~ki ispituvaniot materijal. Farmakoinformati~arite treba da ja utvrdat va`nosta i preciznosta na srodnite podatoci za lekovi, koi poteknuvaat od reklamnite materijali i klini~ki ispituvanite dokumenti.
	c) Izdavawa na publikacii. Ovaa aktivnost se sostoi vo evaluirawe i distribucija na informacii za primena na lekovite vo terapija, vklu~uvaj}i ja efikasnosta, sigurnosta i terapevtskata uloga. So ovaa aktivnost centrite se naso~eni:
	- kon evaluacija na novi registrirani preparati;
	- promovirawe na principi za racionalno prepi{uvawe na lekovite;
	- sledewe na odnosot pome|u efikasnosta na lekovite i nivnata cel;
	- voveduvawe i primena na esencijalna i bolni~ka lista lekovi;
	- voveduvawe na drugi prioritetni listi na lekovi i standardni terapevtski vodi~i.
	Publikaciite }e bidat poefikasni ako gi sledat principite: da bidat orientirani kon odredena cel, da se naglasuvaat i povtoruvaat klu~nite poraki, da se osvoi vnimanieto so naslovite i ilustraciite, da bidat relevantni, da ne se koristat za komercijalni celi.
	'''2. Edukativna dejnost.''' Treba da se obezbedat programi za obuka i edukacija, koi }e gi zgolemat sposobnostite na personal za komunikacija, pronao|awe informacii, sobirawe podatoci i precizno razmisluvawe. Celite se dvonamenski:
	a) Da se obezbedi obuka za studentite po farmacija za podobruvawe na osnovnite sposobnosti za farmakoinformatikata, za da mo`e da funkcioniraat kako efektivni izvori i konsultanti za lekovi.
	b) Da se obezbedi mesto kade {to }e se obu~uvaat zdravstvenite rabotnici.
	Centrite treba da imaat nose~ka struktura, a celiot personal treba da stekne temelna obuka vo oblastite: patofiziologija, farmakoinformatika, klini~ka farmakologija i drugo, so {to bi se zgolemile nivnite informativni sposobnosti.
	'''3. Istra`uva~ka dejnost'''. Stru~nata i profesionalnata naso~enost ovozmo`uva da se dadat verodostojni informacii za lekot i racionalna farmakoterapija. Racionalnata farmakoterapija bara kvantitativna procenka i kriti~na ocenka za dejstvoto na lekot. Za toa neophodno e da se znaat osnovnite mehanizmi za dejstvoto na lekot i faktori koi vlijaat na sudbinata na lekot vo organizmot. Zada~ata za istra`uvawe e da se dade kreativen pridones vo oblastite na informativnata praktika za lekovi, vo razvojot na politikata za lekovi i vo medicinskiot kriterium. Mo`e da utvrdime deka farmakoinformativnite centri se efikasni sistemi za koordinirano obezbeduvawe i selektirawe na informaciite za lekovi. So napredokot na FIC se dobivaat klini~ki relevantni, sovremeni, nezavisni, bezpredrasudni informacii. Farmacevtite denes moraat da poseduvaat znaewa koi baraat integrirawe na informaciite i iskustvata za nega na pacintite so {to se ovozmo`uva donesuvawe na kompetentni odluki za pacientot.
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	Farmakoepidemiologija
	Kako eden od centralnite javno - zdravstveni metodi, epidemiologijata moze da se smeta
	kako naucen pristap (metod) za studiranje ili analiza na bolestite na lugeto i voopsto zdravstvenite problemi.
	epidemiologijata gi koristi
	- naucnite metodi
	- specificni postapki za numericka evaluacija i observacija na bolestite i risicite
	po zdravjeto
	- za razlika od klinickata medicina i farmacija (prostap kon poedinecot - pacientot), premet na observacija se opsti ili specificni populacioni grupi
	Vo farmacijata - epidemiologijata gi koristi ovie metodi za analiza na pojavata i distribucijata
	na upotrebata na lekovite i so toa vrzanite problemi (primena i vo analiza na efektite na lekovite, klinickite testiranja i dr.).
	Epidemiolozite gi kategoriziraat bolestite ili upotrebata na lekovite po: vreme, mesto i lica
	(dali edna bolest ili pojava se menuva vo odredeno vreme i na odredeno mesto kaj odredena populacija), kako edna sostojba - bolest se menuca so cel da se vospostavi mehanizam za nejzina prevencija i kontrola.
	Farmakoepidemiologijata razviva koncepti i metodi za procena na upotrebata na lekovite
	(identifikacija na potencijalnite ili utvrdenite rizici pri toa).
	novata uloga na farmacijata e da gi unapredi sposobnostite i mehanizmite na zaednicata
	za upotreba na lekovite na optimalen nacin i vo prodolzenie da spreci ili ogranici pojava na
	nesakani efekti od lekovite.
	epidemioloskiot metod vo Farmakoepidemiologijata ovozmozuva teoriska osnova za ispituvanje na izvorite za snabduvanje so lekovi, dvizenjeto na lekovite niz populacijata, kako i efektite na
	poedinci pri upotreba na tie lekovi, a vo ponovo vreme i nelegalnata upotreba i zloupotreba na lekovi, ili lekovite kako mozni predizvikuvaci na bolesti.
	Farmakoepidemiologijata vo praksa e orientirana kon istrazuvanje na izvorot, difuzijata,
	upotrebata i efektite na lekovite kaj populacijata, kako i frekvencijata i
	rasprostranetosta na resulatite od taa upotreba.
	Predmet na interes e:
	- sto e toa sto se upotrebuva ( koj tip na lek i vo koj slucaj)
	- kako se upotrebuva (procena na nacinot na upotreba, bklucuvajki kolku,
	kade i koga, i od kogo)
	- zosto se upotrebuva (analiza na pricinite za upotreba na lekovi ulogata na lkeovite vo opstestvoto)
	- procenka na potrebite od lekovi - soglasno so voobicaenata struktura
	na bolesti i epidemii
	- planiranje na selekcija, snabduvanje i distribucija na lekovi
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	Best regards, <strong><font style="color: #082567">]</font>]<font style="color: #082567">]</font></strong> 11:53, 19 June 2008 (UTC)
	:Nope, nothing wrong with keeping this in your user space. Regards, <strong><font style="color: #082567">]</font>]<font style="color: #082567">]</font></strong> 12:04, 19 June 2008 (UTC)
	==Language==
	Hi, thanks for the heads up. I just lost my first message in an edit conflict with my good friend Husond. Yes the language looked almost like Croatian with what looked like ALbanian in some places, Macedonian would make perfect sense. I fully support articles if they can be translated and contain useful content, anything which can be done to improve this is a major asset. I've noticed you around a lot on Maceodnian and Balkan related articles, and I have to say I think you are doing a magnificent job. Sometimes some of the articles are surprisingly well developed which is the beauty of having native speakers on board!! Keep up the good work. I;ve added a few Macedonian monasteries myself but coould do a lot more if I understood the languages! Best regards ]</span> <sup>]</sup> 12:14, 19 June 2008 (UTC)
	LOL yes. I try to do the best - I can admittedly I blow hot and cold over[REDACTED] from time to time and there are times when I think it is a wonderful and other times when I wonder why I bother, but seeing the way it has developed over the years and how much potential it has keeps me going!! Regards ]</span> <sup>]</sup> 09:11, 20 June 2008 (UTC)
	==Football==
	Im loving Euro 2008, its well good. Im supporting Croatia and the Netherlands this time, since England didn't qualify, haha ] (]) 17:56, 20 June 2008 (UTC)
	:Croatia deserved to win against Turkey ;( ] (]) 22:12, 20 June 2008 (UTC)
	== ] ==
	I replied to your concerns about the boilerplate on my talk page. Thank you. --Blanchardb-<small><sup>]•]•]</sup></small>-timed 20:30, 20 June 2008 (UTC)
	== ] ==
	Laveol is constantly violating the three-revert rule with taking out the "Ilinden Uprising flag" out of the list. What shall I do? Pozdrav. ] (]) 22:28, 24 June 2008 (UTC)
	==RE==
	The elections are finished and the number of people that are chosen is known. There are still some small number of places where the elections will be held again but it is not important at all. The main election process is over. Regards --] (]) 09:46, 25 June 2008 (UTC)
	== Macedonian hockey players ==
	I found a source which states MANY NHL stars that are of Macedonian (ethnic) descent: http://www.kingsentinel.com/news/2008/0625/sports/022.html Read though it and add to any article appropriately. ] (]) 03:26, 26 June 2008 (UTC)
	:Another website, though it maybe viewed as biased: http://www.unitedmacedonians.org/newspaper/dec99/nhl.html ] (]) 03:45, 26 June 2008 (UTC)
	== Mike Zigomanis ==
	Widely regarded as the media's foremost NHL draft expert, Bob McKenzie knows the Stamkos family personally and mentions Steve's nationality in this clip. He says that Steve Stamkos is the first Macedonian Canadian since fellow Macedonian Ed Jovanovski to go first over all. He also states Mike Zigomanis is Macedonian Canadian
	http://watch.tsn.ca/nhl/clip61545#clip61545 ] (]) 03:36, 26 June 2008 (UTC)
	== Free Blowjobs ==
	Now that I have your attention, how are you? ] 03:17, 28 June 2008 (UTC)
	:Dammit I really got excited for a second ;). I'm fine as usual, although a bit busier than I used to be. You? ''']]''' 03:27, 28 June 2008 (UTC)
	I'm ok. I'm going to be focusing on getting ] properly named. ] 03:48, 28 June 2008 (UTC)
	:Have fun with that. Hopefully I can get time to improve bits of Kosovo. ''']]''' 08:07, 28 June 2008 (UTC)
	== Re:More trolling ==
	Hello, and thankyou for bringing this to my attention. Before I proceed with this, are you sure that this is the same person as someone I blocked before? <span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS,sans-serif">]]</span> 19:30, 28 June 2008 (UTC)
	:Yes, I thought I had come across this person before. The behavioural pattern is exactly the same, and a checkuser shows that this is a case of abusing multiple accounts. I have extended the range block - 6 months like the rest of them. <span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS,sans-serif">]]</span> 10:41, 29 June 2008 (UTC)
	::That is rather interesting...is that saying that the IP can still edit when blocked? :S <span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS,sans-serif">]]</span> 19:21, 30 June 2008 (UTC)
	== Comments ==
	I apologize for deleting that comment, it was rude of me to take a liberty of doing so; it might start a precedent. It is too late and too long to explain the snake-->terrorist notion but I can sum up all Serbian derogatory terms, "secessionist-terrorists", "muslim terrorists", "albanian terrorists", "kla terrorists", "uck terrorsits" and anything else + terrorists. A few other terms are Siptar, Shitpar, siptarski terroristi, etc. ] (]) 06:26, 30 June 2008 (UTC)
	Careful, BalkanFever is a well known terrorist. He once, and I'm not joking, terrified me. It was terrible. ] 19:24, 30 June 2008 (UTC)
	Are you viewing my every action? I was referring to the Sharr mountains? LOL, i wanted to see if anyone would notice. Thanks for you reverting everything. ] (]) 22:04, 30 June 2008 (UTC)
	Not your actions, I stalk BalkanFever. ] 23:26, 30 June 2008 (UTC)
	==Macedonia naming dispute discussion==
	User:Hellasforever has my section "Articles about Greek actions against Macedonia/Macedonians due to naming issue" in the discussion section of the . The section had many articles which should have been used in the Macedonia naming dispute article. Here are some of the articles:
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	Either undo the edit User:Hellasforever did, or repost those, or read the articles and use them in the ] appropriately. ] (]) 03:53, 3 July 2008 (UTC)
	== To all stalkers ==
	I've been without internet for a few days, and it won't be back until next week. Right now I'm using a public computer, and so I'm not logged in. Hope all goes well in the Balkans (and everywhere else). BalkanFever. ] (]) 10:44, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

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Free Blowjobs

Now that I have your attention, how are you? Beam 03:17, 28 June 2008 (UTC)

Dammit I really got excited for a second ;). I'm fine as usual, although a bit busier than I used to be. You? BalkanFever 03:27, 28 June 2008 (UTC)

I'm ok. I'm going to be focusing on getting Mahatma Gandhi properly named. Beam 03:48, 28 June 2008 (UTC)

Have fun with that. Hopefully I can get time to improve bits of Kosovo. BalkanFever 08:07, 28 June 2008 (UTC)

Re:More trolling

Hello, and thankyou for bringing this to my attention. Before I proceed with this, are you sure that this is the same person as someone I blocked before? Lradrama 19:30, 28 June 2008 (UTC)

Yes, I thought I had come across this person before. The behavioural pattern is exactly the same, and a checkuser shows that this is a case of abusing multiple accounts. I have extended the range block - 6 months like the rest of them. Lradrama 10:41, 29 June 2008 (UTC)

That is rather interesting...is that saying that the IP can still edit when blocked? :S Lradrama 19:21, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

Comments

I apologize for deleting that comment, it was rude of me to take a liberty of doing so; it might start a precedent. It is too late and too long to explain the snake-->terrorist notion but I can sum up all Serbian derogatory terms, "secessionist-terrorists", "muslim terrorists", "albanian terrorists", "kla terrorists", "uck terrorsits" and anything else + terrorists. A few other terms are Siptar, Shitpar, siptarski terroristi, etc. Ari d'Kosova (talk) 06:26, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

Careful, BalkanFever is a well known terrorist. He once, and I'm not joking, terrified me. It was terrible. Beam 19:24, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

Are you viewing my every action? I was referring to the Sharr mountains? LOL, i wanted to see if anyone would notice. Thanks for you reverting everything. Ari d'Kosova (talk) 22:04, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

Not your actions, I stalk BalkanFever. Beam 23:26, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

Macedonia naming dispute discussion

User:Hellasforever has removed my section "Articles about Greek actions against Macedonia/Macedonians due to naming issue" in the discussion section of the Macedonia name issue. The section had many articles which should have been used in the Macedonia naming dispute article. Here are some of the articles:

Greek Paper shows Bush as Hitler and a Macedonian swastika (the same time the Greek swastika occurred - right before NATO)

Macedonians attacked in Greece

Another cowardly attack on Macedonians in Greece

Greek authorities continue to abuse ethnic Macedonians

Greece abuses Macedonians at the border, again

Greek MP asks for death penalty for Macedonians in Greece

Greek-Macedonian name dispute leads to ban on lamb meat

Macedonia Plane Barred from Greek Airspace

Macedonia to ask Greece for explanation on MAT

Greece bans financial transfers from, and to Macedonia

Greece outrages Macedonia with ban on presidential flight

UMD Taken Aback by Metropolitan Anthimos’ Threatening Statement (Top Greek bishop calls for war with Macedonia)

Another Greek metropolitan bishop states territorial claims for Macedonia

Greek media fumes over comments from MOC

Greece's comments of H.H. Stefan's statement in Rome intended for domestic political scene

Heated debate at the EU, Macedonian delegation not present

Protest letter sent to Nato over an incident

Either undo the edit User:Hellasforever did, or repost those, or read the articles and use them in the Macedonia naming dispute appropriately. Mactruth (talk) 03:53, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

To all stalkers

I've been without internet for a few days, and it won't be back until next week. Right now I'm using a public computer, and so I'm not logged in. Hope all goes well in the Balkans (and everywhere else). BalkanFever. 124.190.136.31 (talk) 10:44, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

Oks, have a nice vacation :) --Laveol 12:46, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

Take it easy. (1 down, 1,999,999 to go ;) jk) 3rdAlcove (talk) 20:49, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

Hehe thanks guys :). BalkanFever 11:44, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

Uncivility

Ok, what was that about? "Probably cause you suck"? And why in the world did you need to say that? You might have only left it with a note - this is not a forum or something - why do you feel the need to add such things? --Laveol 10:44, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

It's a joke, and I'm pretty sure he does suck anyway. BalkanFever 10:53, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

You're pretty sure?? Are you sure you're BalkanFever and not someone else? --Laveol 10:54, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

Actually, I'm BalkanSickness. How did you know? btw continue the thing from FP's page here if you want BalkanFever 11:49, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

Well, I'm not sure we've got anything else to say - I mean we're not linguists and we just need to cut the political stuff from the articles (both of the political craps) and that's it. Let's wait for Fut.Perf's opinion --Laveol 12:06, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

Yes, and not falsify sources (I really, really, don't believe Schmeiger talks about Bulgarian). BTW the plural is crap (same goes for shit); it's not like Slavic :) BalkanFever 12:12, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

Not true. Observe: "BalkanFever's intellect isn't worth two shits." See? Plural! Beam 12:18, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

Well, yes, we have that, but one can't say "Beamathan should stop writing these shits", can they? BalkanFever 12:21, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

One could, but one would be an idiot to do so. So fine, as long as you admit I'm the man, we can agree. Agreed? Good. Beam 12:54, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

Well, obviously. BalkanFever 07:14, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

Y'know

I'd probably take 10 of youse guys over Dodona, any day. 3rdAlcove (talk) 11:43, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, I'd take us too ;). Seriously, he sounds like he's 10. BalkanFever 11:49, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

Welcome

Thank you, BalkanFever. Just a quick question, is the Selski speech article intended as a joke? --Iobyo (talk) 14:33, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

I probably should have asked PMK1. Either way, I plan to make a lot of changes to that article. --Iobyo (talk) 14:35, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

He's on holiday, but go ahead, be bold. BalkanFever 14:36, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

This is my attempt at a rewrite with what I believe to be a much better title. Should I suggest a merge on the talk page or just go ahead and redirect the Selski speech article? --Iobyo (talk) 15:58, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

Looks good. Personally, I would suggest "Vernacular Macedonian" as the title, since it can be written as well (as with Makedonska Iskra). All you have to do is replace the content of Selski speech with your rewrite, and then I'll move the article. BalkanFever 16:05, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

The term vernacular is a little too broad. There aren't really any standardized Macedonian dialects, so words like ојме will only ever appear in speech (ignoring stylistics and such). If that word is characteristic of speakers of a certain dialect and if that dialect were to be standardized and codified into a literary one, одиме would be prescribed. So, they're actually two different things and why I choose to use the title Spoken Macedonian. --Iobyo (talk) 16:29, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

Fair enough. I'll ask an admin friend to merge the history now. BalkanFever 16:37, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

Kobra

Why must you call me Kosovo2008? As far goat milk vs cow milk, I do have a serious answer but I think you two are joking around so I won't answer till I find out the tone of the discussion. I'm also looking to change my username from Kosova2008 ---> Ari d'Kosova, any thoughts? Ari d'Kosova (talk) 20:12, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

Re. Article merge

Hello BalkanFever. I have merged the articles you requested. Respective histories merged too. I'm fine by the way, hope you're doing well. :-) Best regards, Húsönd 00:00, 19 July 2008 (UTC)

Standard Macedonian

It's a little complicated and your question deserves a detailed response so I'll get back to you soon. In my opinion, both articles should be kept though they do need a lot of work. For comparison, see Standard French and Standard Spanish. --Iobyo (talk) 03:10, 19 July 2008 (UTC)

I've just noticed that I somehow copied the intro of Standard Macedonian from the Standard German article, so I'll need to fix that too. --Iobyo (talk) 03:11, 19 July 2008 (UTC)

It's a similar case with the Macedonian language. Unfortunately, not much has been written about the spoken language even though we all speak of the разговорен јазик and книжевен јазик. --Iobyo (talk) 05:25, 19 July 2008 (UTC)

Do you think we should use the term книжевен or литературен јазик? They are synonymous but the latter is a loanword (and also more frequently used). --Iobyo (talk) 08:51, 19 July 2008 (UTC)

I think listing them both is much better too considering they're both widely used. It really comes down one's linguistic politics: книжевност (puristic) vs литература (loan). --Iobyo (talk) 09:07, 19 July 2008 (UTC)

That's an easy one: telephone! All jokes aside, the Czechs and Croats should be admired for their efforts to keep their language free from foreign influence. --Iobyo (talk) 09:17, 19 July 2008 (UTC)

Shkupi Kosova

Aegean Macedonia? You probably heard of Shkupi Kosova, it extends to Struga and the majority language (I am told) is Albanian. Politis (talk) 14:28, 19 July 2008 (UTC)

よう あれ あ ふcきんg いぢおt. BalkanFever 14:30, 19 July 2008 (UTC)

هَوِ يُو هَِرد ُف كُبرَ'س ديطك؟ يت ِختِندس دون تُ يُور سمَلل ينتِستينِ، مُثِرفوطكِر! Köbra 14:38, 19 July 2008 (UTC)

O RLY? And what does it do there? Fut.Perf. ☼ 14:49, 19 July 2008 (UTC)

It puts the lotion on the skin. BalkanFever 15:02, 19 July 2008 (UTC)

About anons creating pages

I'd thought it would be easier to reach you here, it's about this discussion. Is it an automated process, like, some[REDACTED] hits, lets say, 20k articles for example, and then it's no longer a "smaller" wikipedia. Anons then have no rights to create new articles. Or can admins control this somehow. We're kinda confused here. Or maybe we're just plain dumb. :S Future perfect, if you are reading this, maybe you know something. How can we stop anon users from creating new articles? ktnxbye Brainmachine (talk) 12:58, 20 July 2008 (UTC)

Responded there. BalkanFever 13:04, 20 July 2008 (UTC)

It's a setting you can change in a config file. See . Fut.Perf. ☼ 13:17, 20 July 2008 (UTC)

Can you believe that shit?

I can't believe I got blocked. I'm probably going to have to kill myself, but first I seek revenge on those who have slighted me. Beam 19:18, 20 July 2008 (UTC)

Good to know. BalkanFever

I'm glad you feel good now, pity you don't think I shall seek revenge against you. Beam 14:56, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

AN/i report about you

Notification of proceedings against you at the notice board. Beam 15:38, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

Thanks :). BalkanFever 10:10, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

ჰეy. ი დონ'თ ქნოw იf yოუ'რე ინთენდინგ თო cომმენთ ონ თჰის cასე ორ ნოთ, ბუთ ა wორდ ოf ადვიcე: თრy ნოთ თო cომმენთ ნო მათთერ wჰათ, ალwაyს გეც მე ოუთ ოf თროუბლე ;) Yოურ ლაcქ ოf ინთერესთ wილლ მაქე თჰე ფროcეედინგ ჰარდერ fორ თჰე "ბად გუyს". Köbra 10:21, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

ქე გი ოსთავამ დო უთრე ი აქო თრება ქე რეჩამ ნეშთო. ისთო თაქა, ფოდობრო ე აქო ფიშუვამე მაქედონსქი, აქო სლუჩაჯნო ნექოჯ ზნაე და ჯა მენი აზბუქათა :). BalkanFever 10:33, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

Provocative link that shows half of Greece occupied by FYROM

Dear Balkinfever. You have a link on your user page A pretty good example that leads to an image of half of Greece under the control of FYROM (not to mention a few other nations in the region are completely engulfed). I shouldn't have to remind you that such images only confirm the accuracy of Greek complaints of active irredentism by some FYROM citizens which goes against the spirit of both US/UN resolutions that condemn such acts as "propaganda".

http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c110:S.Res.300:
(please add colon ':' to end of url in address bar if link fails. For some reason Misplaced Pages doesn't like URLs that end in a colon)

By placing such links on your website you appear to be endorsing future human rights atrocities and ethnic cleansing against 2.5 million people in Greece that identify as "Macedonian" (Greek ones) but aren't ethnically slavic nor remotely relate to FYROM. (much like citizens in FYROM before the break up of Yugoslavia identified both as "Yugoslavian" and "Macedonian")

I believe Misplaced Pages guidelines of proper conduct are incompatible with such images and ask that your link be immediately removed. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.161.239.31 (talk) 19:58, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

Stop trolling him, now. Beam 00:41, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

I'm not "trolling". I think it is very offensive and inappropriate to offend millions of Greeks in the manner he has. Suppose if someone had images of half your country being occupied by another... and showed every sign of working to that goal? I doubt you would find it particularly funny.

I would recommend YOU stop trolling and let BalkanFever either justify it why it is appropriate... or remove it. If it is not removed within 72 hours I will make a formal complaint to Misplaced Pages's editorial board. 209.161.230.168 (talk) 03:46, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c110:S.Res.300:

I look forward to your report. I'd recommend not wasting your time, and just stop now. Beam 03:58, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

I noticed you have an ongoing relationship with BalkanFever. I just pulled this from your user page.

I, BalkanFever, award you the Barnstar of Good Humor, for your constant hilarity on my talk page. Keep it up! BalkanFever

Do you think it possible this conflict of interest may have created a bias in your NPOV? The reason why I suggest this is instead of spending a minute to review my issue... you ignored it completely and harassed me (twice) to basically get lost.... on someone else's talk page? 209.161.230.168 (talk) 04:53, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

Gia sou, whoever you are. This is a massive misunderstanding, and I must say on your part. The map in question is showing the fact that irredentist ideals in the Balkans overlap. If you look at the light blue line, it shows a "Greater Greece", which includes Cyprus, European Turkey, and parts of Albania, Bulgaria, and the Republic of Macedonia.

The red line shows "Greater Serbia", the brown line "Greater Bulgaria" and so on. The point of the map, which is published by an expert neutral, reliable, verifiable source, is to make you think "What if all nationalist desires in the Balkans could be fulfilled?". The point is that they cannot, because irredentism overlaps. Balkan people, when in large nationalist groups, are, for want of a less offensive word, idiots. It's like a sickness (or fever, hence my username). That being said, I have many Balkan friends (I myself am, obviously, from the Balkans), even Greeks. Most of those Greeks even call me a simple "Macedonian" and my country "Macedonia". It's probably because they don't care about a petty dispute. BalkanFever 10:25, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

Wow...I was already explaining it. I had it all under control, and then YOU edit conflict me. Thanks. Beam 10:28, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

Well thank you, for understanding the (obvious) point of the map. But the troll wasn't going to listen to you, no matter what you said. On an aside, one of the symptoms of Balkan Fever is excessive use of five-letter acronyms. BalkanFever 10:37, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

Well, since you EC'd me, I'm changing my recommendation to community ban at the ANi. Beam 10:41, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

Ah, this must be the revenge you were talking about! What a fool I've been. BalkanFever 10:47, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

(outdent)lol, you're an asshole rivaling my own assholeness. I saw where you told an anon user "probably cause you suck" and then an (admin?) editor asked you about, lol, you really respond by saying "I'm pretty sure he does suck anyway." When I was reading the ANi report I fucking almost choked on my coffee. Beam 10:54, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

Well, I try. Laveol is a big sack o' fun. He's too serious sometimes, and he overreacts to some things (usually my jokes). Some of the guys you've met take things too seriously as well, no? BalkanFever 11:09, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

Shit man, I got admins so far up my ass I have to eat two bowls of cereal for breakfast or I'd be hungry the whole morning. And then the next admin comes along, and sees all these "blocks" and says to himself "i'm going to get me some of that" and bam I got another bullshit block. I don't even get the decency of an ANi where people can badmouth me publicly, you're so lucky for even that. Beam 11:18, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

(EC) Sigh. The map shows the ambitions of the factions of the Balkans. One time ambitions, former ambitions, or current ambitions. He's explaining the meaning of his user name: "BalkanFever." As in CabinFever happens when your stuck inside for a period of time, BalkanFever happens when your in the Balkans or interested in them for a time: considering everyone there has aspirations of empire. He never once endorses one side over the other in that map. And I thought this was obvious, or I wouldn't call you a troll and laugh it off. Beam 10:26, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

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Dear Balkanfever, I'm not sure if I'm adding these comments in the correct location. I am new to Misplaced Pages so please bear with me as I better learn Misplaced Pages's methods.

Unfortunate your map shows the entire northern area of Greece as occupied by something called "greater macedonia". In addition your handle is "balkanfever", you show a considerable bias against Greek Macedonians with your user page news article listings (several which are inaccurate sensationalist titles from FYROM news sources), you did prior mass edits against the naming issue article without offering justifications for each... and now you expect me to take you seriously that your intent isn't occupation of Macedonia Greece, usurpation of Macedonian Greek heritage, and to direct propaganda/hate at Greeks? Consider what happened in the US when a vodka company company simply produced this ad.

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/laplaza/2008/04/mexico-reconque.html

I'm sorry. I reject your claim of innocence and point you back to the a couple of clauses in a recent US Senate resolution condemning acts of propaganda against Greece by FYROM. (signed by Senator Obama I might add)

"Whereas a television report in recent years showed students in a state-run school in FYROM still being taught that parts of Greece, including Greek Macedonia, are rightfully part of FYROM"

Whereas, on September 13, 1995, Greece and FYROM signed a United Nations-brokered Interim Accord that, among other things, commits them to not `support claims to any part of the territory of the other party or claims for a change of their existing frontiers';

Whereas the aforementioned acts constitute a breach of FYROM's international obligations deriving from the spirit of the United Nations Interim Accord, which provide that FYROM should abstain from any form of `propaganda' against Greece's historical or cultural heritage;

http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c110:S.Res.300: (Note: If the above link doesn't work please manually add a colon ":" to end of address bar)

Unless you have further points to make Balkanfever... please remove your highly offensive link within 48 hours or I will take the issue up with the Wikipeida's editorial board (as well as your general pattern of anti-Greek Macedonian behavior). 209.161.227.67 (talk) 15:17, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

If you can't also see the "Greater Greece" in the map, then something is seriously wrong with you. I reject your claim of intelligence and/or seriousness and will kindly tell you to leave me alone. Funny how you claim to support the "interim accord", yet it states that Greece should not veto the Republic of Macedonia's entrance into international organisations. You are a hypocrite (that's a Greek word, so I know you understand it). There is nothing more to say. Go away. BalkanFever 23:09, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

Sorry I forgot to answer to your request earlier. The 209.* anon (who is User:Crossthets) has been warned off and will hopefully keep out now. We don't usually semi-protect talk pages without some rather serious reason. You think it'll be okay now? Cheers, --Fut.Perf. ☼ 13:13, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

Yeah it should be fine. BalkanFever 07:03, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

God Damn it, there's another ANi about you!

Here it is you fool. Stop harassing and conspiring against people! Beam 01:52, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, my propaganda seems to pissing a few people off. Oh well. BalkanFucker 07:17, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

Giorgos

You probably misunderstood my comment. Some more info from the survey by Vidoeski in Koneski's book, would probably settle this map issue and provide additional information on Macedonian dialectology. I am sure that FP's version of the Vidoeski map, is as accurate as it can get--Giorgos Tzimas (talk) 11:11, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

Well, Macedonian dialectology is not the most discussed subject, as you can gather. Unsurprisingly, the majority of linguists interested are the ones from the Republic of Macedonia, and not Greeks (too much politics, you know how it is). I don't think the map issue will ever be settled, since there will always be randoms that come across it and get offended or something. Or just people that believe any RoM source is ipso facto unreliable. BalkanFever 11:31, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

You are unfortunately right on your remarks, but I am genuinely interested. With all these tension and constant bickering it becomes a trully impossible task to form an opinion. Therefore every piece of information is welcome as far as I' m concerned. I am well aware of the grievances from both sides. I think that the more we learn about the issues involved in this incredible conflict the better we understand.--Giorgos Tzimas (talk) 11:41, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

So many issues, so little interest (I mean on the part of others) For more on linguistics, try: The situation of the Macedonian language in Greece: sociolinguistic analysis by Roland Schmeiger and Greece and European Turkey: From Religious to Linguistic Identity by Peter Trudgill. BalkanFever 11:53, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the tip. I 've read both ages ago. Btw I think the correct spelling is "Schmieger" I've seen you mispelling it before and I am an expert in wreaking spelling havoc myself--Giorgos Tzimas (talk) 12:07, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

I'll keep that in mind. Chucked it in the spell-check just to make sure. BalkanFever 12:28, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

Wow

In every article about FYROM for me Republic of Macedonia for you i can see you in the contributors and more i've read your page and i mean wow.Keep up the good work cause i've learned a lot from Fyrom related articles that i simply did't knew.

Don't get me wrong about FYROM i don't want to offend or insult you.TheJudge0791 (talk) 18:07, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

Umm, thanks, I guess. BalkanFever 04:08, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

Comments

Well, you just proved my point.--Dimorsitanos (talk) 04:18, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

Threatening to Ban people

Man, you are a trouble maker! I, per usual, am notifying you of an AN/i thread: Misplaced Pages:Administrators'_noticeboard/Incidents#Reporting_a_Threat_for_Ban_in_Violation_of_the_Banning_Concept..

You are a rebel (by rebel I mean jerk)! Beam 15:34, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

Seems to be taken care of, by numerous admins. BalkanFever 09:43, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

Ottoman Turkish

Hi, I noticed your message at User talk:AdjarianLAZ. He is a sockpuppet, so he is currently blocked. However, I know a user (Saposcat), who would probably know the answer to your question. He is semi-retired, so if he doesn't reply to you on his talk page, you might try emailing him. However, he definitely knows Ottoman Turkish. Khoikhoi 06:49, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

Oops, didn't realise that. Thanks. BalkanFever 07:05, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

BTW, perhaps you could help me out with something. The Jegunovce page needs to be updated, and I noticed that someone added some info regarding Silmak (formerly Jugohrom). However, he/she included a joke in his edits (which are somewhat in comment-form instead of proper encyclopedic form), and also did not include any sources. Do you think you could help me by adding sources and updating the article? I need to know whether the plant was closed down or not, and I can't read the official website unfortunately. Khoikhoi 10:05, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

The official website just describes the municipality, and I don't seem to be able to click any links. Found an A1 article (in Macedonian) though, and will update the page now. The "Silni Makedonci" thing is the joke (it means "Strong Macedonians"). BalkanFever 10:18, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

Ah, ok. Thank you very much. One more thing: do you know if the names are normally supposed to be capitalized or not? Khoikhoi 19:08, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

Actually, style here on wiki seems to be not to capitalise the name of companies, because I think most companies have their names in capitals elsewhere. Fixed. BalkanFever 04:04, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

weird story thing

LOL Ijanderson977 (talk) 12:33, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

Ewa

Hello. I see, still I would like to see the sentence there for one simple reason. "Polish singer" is not clear, many readers can guess she is Polish, because she hails from Poland or only her parents are Polish. Ewa hails from historical Polish minority of Zaolzie region, her family lived always there, borders just changed leaving this territory in Czechoslovakia, now the Czech Republic. For comparison, Polish minority there can be compared to Hungarian one in Slovakia or German-speaking one in Südtirol, Italy. - Darwinek (talk) 11:46, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

Right. Vendryne is a nice village near the ugly gray industrial town of Trinec. :) Due to this many wealthy people of Trinec built new houses in Vendryne in last years and relocated there, and this trend seems to continue. Ewa attended Polish elementary school in Vendryne (Polish Wedrynia) and is now going to attend famous Polish gymnasium (high school) in Cesky Tesin. - Darwinek (talk) 12:22, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

I don't know her personally, she's quite younger generation than me but Ewa is a famous regional (and not only) personality. Yes, I live on the Olza, crossed it twice today. :) You're from the Republic of Macedonia? - Darwinek (talk) 12:52, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

Nice. From what I know there is a huge Macedonian community in Australia, particularly Melbourne I think. How are your relations with huge Greek community there? :) My Greek friends from Zaolzie mention Macedonia only as FYROM and they would beat me if I would use Macedonia in front of them. :) They view your nation as bunch of revisionists and think you should give your territory to Greece. - Darwinek (talk) 13:11, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

Right. There are several thousands Greeks and Macedonians in the Czech Republic. Children of those forced to flee after the civil war. Patriotic as hell, which I'm fine with but I don't like their attitude towards other minorities in this country. Maybe it is because Greeks from Greece view their own minorities as obstacle. - Darwinek (talk) 13:39, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

Polish of course. Assimilation even accelerated after the fall of communism and the backbone of our minority have always been underlining of our uniqueness and otherness from the Czech ethnic group. So Poles there are loyal to the Czech Republic but proud Poles, many also believe in the so-called theory of two motherlands, that we have one motherland in the Czech Republic, because we are Czech citizens and the second one, more or less spiritual, in Poland. Still we live in region divided in 1920 by both countries. For example in 1938-1945 our region was a part of different countries four times. Looking from 1918 even more times. :) - Darwinek (talk) 14:08, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

Right, there is a discussion about this in Poland now but I am a fervent opposer of this fresh theory, so I'm not non-involved and couldn't deliver you a neutral point of view. :) - Darwinek (talk) 19:46, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

Comments on Talk:Republic of Macedonia/name

Hi

Regarding this comment. I know is debate is pretty heated, but try and remember Misplaced Pages's policy on Personal attacks. Thanks Samuell Lift me up or put me down 14:00, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the reminder :) BalkanFever 12:22, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

Čestitki

File:Krusevomonument.jpg

Wishing BalkanFever a very happy Ilinden from Rašo! Have a great day!

Thanks for signing my Guestbook!

Gears of War 2 01:48, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

Yay! Now I can finally watch it :D BalkanFever 01:50, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

Lol, it was really good too. Gears of War 2 01:51, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

re: WT:MOSMAC

Hello, is there a currently ongoing discussion about this? I looked briefly, but didn't see one. Perhaps I missed it? Parsecboy (talk) 12:19, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

Replied on your talk page. BalkanFever 12:26, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

I left a somewhat lengthy reply on my talk page. Parsecboy (talk) 13:45, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

Oh, here's an unrelated question: how did your talk page become conquered by Australia? Parsecboy (talk) 13:47, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

Since I'm in Australia, I decided to claim my page before someone else did. :DBalkanFever 13:49, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

Makes sense ;) Parsecboy (talk) 13:56, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

Tarator or Cacik?

Hi. Perhaps you have something useful to say about whether Cacik is an acceptable alternative name of Tarator, discussed on Talk:Yoghurt#Tarator vs Cacik. NerdyNSK (talk) 09:58, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

Etiquette Alert

Hi, I'm letting you know I've filed an etiquette alert considering you at Misplaced Pages:Wikiquette_alerts#User:BalkanFever. --   Avg    18:34, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

2008 South Ossetia War talk archive

Hi. I at first thought about archiving half the page, but then I changed mind and only archived discussions made on 8 August, leaving all 9 August discussions on the main talk page (having in mind to use the same archive page later as the days pass). If you think this is not helpful or if you can do something better please feel free to revert me. I don't intend to archive more now, and thanks for letting me know. NerdyNSK (talk) 12:32, 9 August 2008 (UTC)

Ossetia

I'm not going to unilateraly move it because of the reasons you've stated. Unfortunately with such as busy article with so many editors, it will be hard to reach a consensus. We will see in the next few days if this war gets even bigger, so if it does then we can re-name it and if it doesn't then it's fine. If the war expands, then we may have to make a tough decision without a supermajority and change the name of the article to reflect reality. --Tocino 05:41, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

South Ossetia

Yeh it does, however I oppose the independence of South Ossetia and Abkhazia. This is just Russia showing how big and hard it still is because it hasn't had a fight in a while. Also it wants to punish Georgia for leaving the CIS and becoming friendly with EU/NATO/USA Ijanderson977 (talk) 08:28, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

What do you mean what NATO did in the 1990s? Ijanderson977 (talk) 08:54, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

Fark aff

THIEF 3rdAlcove (talk) 09:09, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

*hides* BalkanFever 09:17, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

Macedonian translation

Hi, BalkanFever! I'm looking for some help by a Macedonian speaker to get this article a bit improved. I used some article from the MK page as a template and tinkered around it. Since I have rough understanding of the Cyrillic alphabet and almost no understanding of the Macedonian language I'd appreciate one or two improvements on the article. You can find inspirations here. If you have questions or need any help on your project's translations, just let me know! Thank you. -Lemmy- (talk) 12:32, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

No problem. I'll translate some of the passage tomorrow, as I'm a bit pressed for time right now. Cheers, BalkanFever 12:36, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

Great work. Thank you! -Lemmy- (talk) 11:30, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

removing instead of archiving

Heh, I'm too afraid of being too forward and removing things that might actually be useful or that don't deserve removing :) . Also, if you later need to refer to the actions of a disruptive user, it's easier to point at archived discussions than at removed ones. --Enric Naval (talk) 15:25, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

Fair enough :). BalkanFever 09:20, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

Question

What's with requesting editors to "use # before signature"? 3rdAlcove (talk) 17:56, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

It gives a number so that it's easier to count.

1. Like so. BalkanFever 08:42, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

Ehm, nevermind. I'd tell you what I mixed up but it'd make me look even more stupid. 3rdAlcove (talk) 10:40, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

Lol , OK then. BalkanFever 10:41, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

Why "disputed"?

Hey Balkan, I was wondering why so many Macedonian articles are being disputed? Is the disputation coming from Macedonians or Bulgarian/Greek users? Look at the following:

Maks Aegean Maks Albo Maks.. and others

Also, is horribly written. It talks about the situation of the Balkans in the 1900s not the actual national awakening of the Macedonians. It needs work. Mactruth (talk) 21:34, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

Just to give a little light on the last issue - Macedonism was recently merged with Macedonian nationalism despite the warnings from some users that these were actually two different terms. --Laveol 21:42, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

You'll have to search the page history to find out who disputes them, but I suspect the latter. Most people chuck a tag without opening a discussion, maybe thinking it will miraculously fix itself. If there hasn't been a discussion or the dispute has been resolved, just remove the tags. BalkanFever 10:52, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

About the other thing, Macedonian nationalism and Macedonism refer to the same thing (nowadays they have mostly a negative connotation, as with all nationalism), but Macedonism is more of a neologism, as Philip Baird Shearer said. Mactruth, feel free to improve the article. I too think it needs more focus, since "Macedonian nationalism" used to be at the title "National awakening of the ethnic Macedonians" so that was the original purpose. BalkanFever 10:52, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

Hypocricy redux

Talking about hypocricy, you claim exactly above that some things should be just deleted (obviously it applies only to those you don't like) and then you revert me when I did exactly what you suggest.--   Avg    08:22, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

Yawn. You're removing it because you don't like that English-language sources use "Republic of Macedonia" or simply "Macedonia". That and you find "Yunan" offensive, but then again, you use "Skopian" and "Fyromian" all the time, so why should I give a shit? BalkanFever 08:29, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

Also, there's only one c in hypocrisy. BalkanFever 08:53, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

But of course you'd know that. It is a "Macedonian" word after all. ·ΚΕΚΡΩΨ· (talk) 09:18, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

Any Greek should know that σ becomes s, not c. BalkanFever 09:30, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

Anal, anyone? ·ΚΕΚΡΩΨ· (talk) 10:27, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

Double entendre, anybody? BalkanFever 10:30, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

You just know. ·ΚΕΚΡΩΨ· (talk) 10:31, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

Junanci

Samo licemjere ne podnosim. Ovo nije dostojno Sokrata ni drugih. Sramota na što spadoše . --Aradic-es (talk) 09:57, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

English, please? ·ΚΕΚΡΩΨ· (talk) 07:28, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

As I have yet to receive a reply from Aradic, would BF care to do the honours? ·ΚΕΚΡΩΨ· (talk) 08:40, 21 August 2008 (UTC)

Did you ignore what I said about my Croatian skills? I understand it fairly well, but my translation won't make much sense, so you'll probably misinterpret it. BalkanFever 08:56, 21 August 2008 (UTC)

Just give it a shot. ·ΚΕΚΡΩΨ· (talk) 09:02, 21 August 2008 (UTC)

Well? ·ΚΕΚΡΩΨ· (talk) 13:47, 21 August 2008 (UTC)

approximately:

I just can't stand the hypocrits.This is not at the level of Socrates. it is shameful on what did they(Yunans, btw) come.

--Añtó| Àntó (talk) 12:25, 25 August 2008 (UTC)

I asked for an English translation, not this shit. By the way, one of you says it's Croatian while the other claims it's "Macedonian". Which of you Slavs is telling the truth? ·ΚΕΚΡΩΨ· (talk) 22:06, 25 August 2008 (UTC)

Ja sam ja, divlji Bil, prezivam se............BalkanFever 10:43, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

Cinema of Macedonia

Hi could you fill this out into the fuller article it deserves thanks. I've also created Template:CinemaofMacedonia as with other countries The Bald One 18:31, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

Will do. BalkanFever 05:39, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

Question from an Ionian

Would you mind translating this comment of yours? Cheers. ·ΚΕΚΡΩΨ· (talk) 16:07, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

"I want to ask you: do you hate Greeks as a nation (ethnic group), or just the hypocrites? They're not all bad people....Sorry, my Croatian probably sucks." BalkanFever 06:56, 21 August 2008 (UTC)

It doesn't actually say "Ionians"; that would be "Jonci". And maybe you should actually read the wiktionary pages that you link to - you might learn a thing or two. BalkanFever 06:56, 21 August 2008 (UTC)

So Junanci means "Greeks"? In which language? ·ΚΕΚΡΩΨ· (talk) 07:16, 21 August 2008 (UTC)

It's not an actual word bre. Call it a loan if you want, a Slavicisation of the Turkish word or Persian, ultimately Greek, blah blah blah..... It means "one from Junanska", which itself is borrowing the stem (Junan from Yunan) and translating the suffix (like in a calque); -stan and -ska both meaning the same thing (-ia in Greek and Latin). BalkanFever 07:45, 21 August 2008 (UTC)

In other words, you were merely parroting the pejorative epithet coined by your Croat comrade. Got it. ·ΚΕΚΡΩΨ· (talk) 08:35, 21 August 2008 (UTC)

Since you seem to know your spelling it's time to go to the actual meaning of the word. I'm sure your definition of hypocrites is quite large, when Greeks are concerned. Just to clarify since you've already labelled me a hypocrite, do you think it's okay to hate me and do you label me "bad people"? --   Avg    08:08, 21 August 2008 (UTC)

Don't be silly, you (Avg) can't be "bad people" since that's a plural. BalkanFever 08:18, 21 August 2008 (UTC)

I've noticed that no one has signed yet. Can you feel the love? I think you hate it, deep inside. 3rdAlcove (talk) 10:22, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

Well I didn't come here for love, I'll tell you that much. Guess I'll have to try harder. BalkanFever 20:45, 26 August 2008

I suppose I could sign it, given the right atmosphere. I'm open to persuasion. ·ΚΕΚΡΩΨ· (talk) 10:48, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

Do you take burek? BalkanFever 11:07, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

Is it thick and greasy? ·ΚΕΚΡΩΨ· (talk) 11:13, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

Indeed. BalkanFever 11:15, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

aromanian help

Hi, i see that you can speak aromanian. Can you help me finding the Saranda name in aromanian, because there is a slight minority in the town and the name should be added to the lead? Thanksbalkanian (talk) 14:12, 21 August 2008 (UTC)

I doubt it's any different from the Albanian < Greek. ·ΚΕΚΡΩΨ· (talk) 14:23, 21 August 2008 (UTC)

It would be Saranda, maybe Sarandã. I doubt you would be able to find it on the internet anywhere though. BalkanFever 11:07, 22 August 2008 (UTC)

Macedonian History in question

Zdravo BalkanFever. Nekoj ja izbrisa slikata IlindenFlag svg.png za koja nie Makedoncite tolku se borevme da ostane vo Flags of the Republic of Macedonia poradi copyright, a Bugarot Jingiby postavi link vo na bugarskata partija VMRO-BND deka oni go koristat toa zname, a u stvari: 1. oni koristat drugo takvo zname so natpis 'VMRO-BND' 2. jas go kreirav toa zname i mu staviv copyright kako 'own work'. Ke mozes li da prezemes nesto? Golem pozdrav

PS. Ti moderator li bese tuka ili greska sum? Cukiger (talk) 02:37, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

Stvarno ne znam za copyright i takvi nešta. Najdobro e da odiš do WP:ANI za celiot problem i vidi što kje se sluči tamu. BalkanFever 06:57, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

a discussion of hypothetical situations which doesn't add anything to the article

• - Are you insane??? Before I added this very important paragraphs, Zocky reverted one of my edits with a summary implying just that . Some Serb linguists like Pavle Ivić even tried to list the common "Serbo-Croatian" isoglosses, but all of them have eventually failed the eye of scrutiny! The fact that this "Serbo-Croatian" grouping is completely arbitrary and does not constitute a genetic node, i.e. that there was never a stage in which there existed an ancestor dialect of all Čakavian, Kajkavian and Štokavian speeches is a very important one. --Ivan Štambuk (talk) 11:44, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

Yes OK, your explanation makes sense. Maybe you want to word it differently and cite a few sources? BalkanFever 11:56, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

And I still don't think all of that should be in the intro. BalkanFever 11:57, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

Selam

Hi Emre. I just wanted to ask, do you know any Ottoman Turkish? BalkanFever 11:24, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

Hi, What do you mean as Ottoman Turkish? Craftsman or Sultan? I didn't understand completely... *** Эɱ®εč¡κ *** 07:18, 29 August 2008 (UTC)

I meant do you have any knowledge of the Ottoman Turkish language (Osmanlıca)? 08:36, 29 August 2008 (UTC)

i can't think now... Both are resemble to each other... *** Эɱ®εč¡κ *** 18:26, 30 August 2008 (UTC)

Your awful revert of Sharr Mountains

Your awful and biased revert of the article on the Sharr Mountains on the Kosovo pages will be changed and I hereby submit my protest at your silly changes. The Sharr Mountains are located in two Albanian-majority territories (Albania and Kosovo), thus Albanian takes precedence and so-called 'Macedonian.' You are hereby warned to stop your biased reverts. --alchaemia (talk) 18:36, 31 August 2008 (UTC)

WTF? BalkanFever 08:09, 1 September 2008 (UTC)

Re: Macedonia on Kosovo

Thank you, BalkanFever. It certainly looks more useful than what we had in place, and so I took the liberty of replacing the article entry with your write-up, giving credit where it's due in the edit summary. Best, --Mareklug 06:55, 6 September 2008 (UTC)

Oggs

This is a reply to your email (in Macedonian): Еве, арен, ти како си? :)

Добро е што ме потсети за изговориве, затоа што и тоа имам во план веќе некое време (како и милион други работи). Знам и можам, само не знам дали сум компетентен за таа работа (со гласот, со интонацијата...). Види го изговорот на македонски јазик; that little bastard is me, but don't tell anyone. :P Сепак, сигурно ќе биде подобро од српски хахаха, многу се смееме за тоа тука! Шега на страна, не можам да дозволам странците да слушаат нешто на што тука се смееме, уште веднаш ќе почнам со „рикординг“! ;) Поздрав. --iNkubusse 12:36, 6 September 2008 (UTC)

Ок, еве го и првото чедо: commons:Image:Mk-Republika Makedonija.ogg. Добро ли е? Не знам зошто се јавуваат тие три пречки т-к, т-к... Добар ми е микрофонот... Можеби при конверзијата wav-ogg, бидејќи немам снимач директно во .ogg. Ако имаш, те молам препорачај. --iNkubusse 15:48, 6 September 2008 (UTC)

Фала многу! За тие пречки немам појма, ама не е толку битно. Уште еднаш фала. :) BalkanFever 23:22, 6 September 2008 (UTC)

Додадов уште неколку, види commons:Category:Macedonian pronunciation. Планирам уште многу да додадам, добро ќе ни дојдат. Патем, нема зошто ти да се заблагодаруваш: го правам тоа за нас! Ти може да дадеш еден изговор на GTA:SA, ама на амерички. :D --iNkubusse 03:23, 7 September 2008 (UTC)

Браво бе човек! Ај ќе ги додадам. РЅ: Оxрид во МФА ќе биде ли /ohrid/ или /ohrit/ ? Звучи како Final obstruent devoicing. BalkanFever 03:32, 7 September 2008 (UTC)

Да ти кажам, тоа размислував баш додека го снимав! На македонски се вика „обезвучување“ на согласка на крајот од зборот и тоа важи за повеќето зборови, воопшто (леб -> леп, снег -> снек, итн). Веројатно тоа важи и за Охрид (за зборот рид исто така важи обезвучувањето). Не дека намерно сакаме д да се слуша како т, ама се слуша, што да му правиме. :) Значи, јас не сум експерт за ИПА и затоа не знам што да ти кажам, ама знам дека д-то на крај се слуша како т. Од друга страна, ако по зборот „Охрид“ има збор што почнува со звучна согласка (пр. Охрид даде жртви...), обично се изговараат слеано двете звучни согласки, односно ОхриД. Ај да не се врткам околу едното исто, да ти кажам право - не знам. :) --iNkubusse 05:19, 7 September 2008 (UTC)

Добро, ќе го ставам како /t/ бидејќи така се слуша. Гледам важи само на крајот на зборот: (леб /lɛp/, а лебот /lɛbɔt/) а исто така и пред безвучни самогласки: /gruefski/. BalkanFever 05:42, 7 September 2008 (UTC)

Да, токму така. ;) Ќе снимам сега уште неколку имиња на градови, ама сигурно има и уште нешто. Те молам кажи ми ако ти текнува нешто друго за снимање (само направи ми листа, ќе ја средам). --iNkubusse 14:24, 7 September 2008 (UTC)

Еј, провери ги моите нови подигнувања на Ризницата и додади ги на соодветните статии (не сакам да експериментирам со ИПА). И уште еднаш да ти кажам, направи ми листа од сè што сакаш да чуеш. ;) --iNkubusse 17:29, 7 September 2008 (UTC)

Епа, само имиња на градови и луѓе требат МФА, а реките, планините итн. нека ги имат ogg-те со кирилицата, како што си направил тука. Ќе создавам листа наскоро; повеќето ќе биде градови и луѓе. BalkanFever 08:49, 8 September 2008 (UTC)

Ок, провери ги подигнувањата. ;) Ги снимив сите за 10 минути, но ги подигав неколку саати... :( Се тресам од замор... :S --iNkubusse 20:11, 8 September 2008 (UTC)

Ги ставам сега. Едно прашање: РАДмила шекеРИНска или шеКЕринска? Снимал си го првото, и нормално ти ќе знаеш, само секогаш мислев беше второто. BalkanFever 05:29, 10 September 2008 (UTC)

ШекеРИНска, тоа е изговорот на ова презиме. Македонското правило на третиот слог од лево кон десно важи само за изворните македонски зборови (и тоа не баш за сите); странските имиња се читаат најчесто како што се читаат во оригиналот. Земи го како пример Александар. :) Една професорка во основно ме викаше АлЕксандар хаха. :D Патем, фала ти за микрофонот! :P Ако се потребни уште снимки, направи уште една листа, па после да можеш да ме наградиш цело студио! :D --iNkubusse 13:46, 10 September 2008 (UTC)

Russia and the Caucasus

yeh I would lol Ijanderson (talk) 10:56, 8 September 2008 (UTC)

Language policy of SFRY

It is late but now we are having source . In first communist Yugoslavia constitution official languages are: Croatian, Macedonia, Serbian and Slovenian + Hungarian in Vojvodina and Albanian on Kosovo.--Rjecina (talk) 23:20, 8 September 2008 (UTC)

Political corpse

Thank you, chap! :) Yes, I have simultaneously made a Russian version of the article. --Supernova (talk) 09:56, 10 September 2008 (UTC)

Question

Hello Balkan, sega gledam vo vrska so mojot pretposleden komentar na stranicata za razgovor na NOB - jas ne te obvinuvam tuka, tuku naprotiv tebe ti se obrakjam za pomosh i mislenje. Sakam da mi kazesh shto mislish za problemot. Jas potroshiv tolku vreme sobiranje informacii za da napravam ubava opshirna statija, i kolegata Kobra samo doagja i ja pravi statijata grda. Vidi go rasporedot na sliki i strukturata na anegovata verzija. Navistina neznam shto mu smeta, se odnesuva mnogu neracionalno, kako namerno da go pravi ova. Te molam za mislenje. I would ask you to visit the history page of National Liberation War of Macedonia. I spend so much time making this article, and this user Köbra comes and vandalizes the whole text of the article and excludes valuable photos. I would like your opinion on the subject. Regards. --Revizionist (talk) 00:13, 11 September 2008 (UTC)

Izvini što sum zafaten ovie dena; nemam vreme da čitam dve celi statii za NOB. Navistina ne svakjam kako možat sliki da bidat tooolku važni, ama pak, ne sum gledal. Isto taka, grdo/ubavo ne e glavna tema vo enciklopedička diskusija. Gledaj kaj informaciite. Dali toa što sakaš da stoi vo statijata e od neutralna gledna točka. Dali Kobra ima izbrišeno važni informacii, ili samo zborovi - t.e. dali informaciite ušte stojat, samo vo pokratka forma? Dali izvorite se neutralni? Ova treba sebesi da se prašuvaš. Ili možeš da prašuvaš nekoj korisnik koj znae za borbi da gi čita dvete verzii. BalkanFever 06:59, 11 September 2008 (UTC)

MKD

If something new comes up I'll edit that first and see what you think of it first. But I don't think there is much I could add at the moment. Thanks Ijanderson (talk) 14:25, 12 September 2008 (UTC)

Image:550px-Greece linguistic minoritiesb copy.jpg listed for deletion

An image or media file that you uploaded or altered, Image:550px-Greece linguistic minoritiesb copy.jpg, has been listed at Misplaced Pages:Images and media for deletion. Please see the discussion to see why this is (you may have to search for the title of the image to find its entry), if you are interested in it not being deleted. Thank you. Dimorsitanos (talk) 14:17, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

Can't be arsed voting. Just tell me how it goes. BalkanFever 08:34, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

Sources

Hi. I was wondering if you know of any sources from purblished academics who support the Macedonian position in the naming dispute in terms of historical rights, the non-Greekness of Macedonia, etc Hxseek (talk) 07:08, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

I don;t know what your stance on this issue is. My great area of interest is early medieval Balkan history and 'ethnogenesis'. Basically I want to make the Macedonia Naming Dispute article more neutral, which seems to always be an uphill struggle. Hxseek (talk) 09:03, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

LOL. Majtap. Does that not mean " a mess" ? So you are a mixture of everything ? Hxseek (talk) 10:46, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

MPO

I am trying to get in contact with the Board of Directors of the organizations. It seems when they were founded in 1922 (by immigrants who mostly fled in 1903, before macedonia was liberated), many of the people were subscribing to the Bulgarian-Macedonian paradigm, which at that time probably meant more Slav-Macedonian, as the main purpose was to differentiate themselves from the Greeks. This held for a while, but started to fall apart in 1945 after Macedonia became an independent country, then many of the MPO started to realize that they don't have all that much in common with the Bulgarians after all, and now they had their own independent country they much more preferred to identify with. By the 1980s they were almost completely clear of pro-bulgarian sentiments and ever since are fervent supporters of separate and independent Macedonian nation and republic.

Anyway, this is mostly anecdotal knowledge, and it would take a lot of research to put this properly sourced in the article, but for now some useful information can be extracted from their web site www.macedonian.org. They have done some admirable charity work in Macedonia. Capricornis (talk) 18:19, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

It is unfortunate that our diaspora has been so fractured (btw, the United Macedonian Diaspora needs work :). The Macedonians from the Greek part after 1924 had all their names changed to Greek ones, under the Metaxas dictatorship. Some of them changed them back when they immigrated, but most of them did not want to go through the administrative hassle. There are way more Greek and Bulgarian editors on wikipedia, so going head-to-head with them is not the best option. There is lot of POV pushing and weasel words, but a lot can be done by editing the less controversial articles, and adding more articles about the current R.Macedonia. f course, if there is blatant POV and propaganda in Macedonian articles feel free to edit them, and if the 'other' side gangs up and uses vandalism and superior numbers, just start reporting them to all administrators, admin boards, arbitration, etc. Capricornis (talk) 18:13, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

Macedonia

The article says that their source in Albanian parties in Macedonia told them how Macedonia will recognise Kosovo on September 22 and all that in order to solve the current parliamentary crisis. It says that PM Gruevski agreed for this move in order to maintain internal stability because the DPA wouldn't support him otherwise. It also says how the PM will have troubles to explain that to the public which is against such a move but that it will buy him some points regarding the name dispute with Greece. But all in all it's all based on "the source refused to be named", "our sources within Albanian parties" etc. Cheers, --Avala (talk) 10:13, 17 September 2008 (UTC)

Bulgarians

Ги гледаш муабетите во последниот дел на страницата за дискусија? Capricornis (talk) 17:53, 17 September 2008 (UTC)

aha :) Capricornis (talk) 19:15, 18 September 2008 (UTC)

funny

I just read your entire talk page. i was crackin' up from laughter.. i forgot that[REDACTED] contribution can be entertaining Capricornis (talk) 19:30, 18 September 2008 (UTC)

Your Polish alphabet

I think you have a contradiction on your subpage User:BalkanFever/Polish_Cyrillic_Alphabet. In the charts, you have Л for /w/ and Љ for /l/, but in the description underneath the charts you have it reversed. I assume one of them is a mistake. If it were up to me, I'd say that Л for /w/ and Љ for /l/ makes more sense because it's in line with how Russian handles things (their "l" sound is actually more like /w/ than like /l/, so when borrowing foreign names they use ЛЬ for /l/.

I found you because I have a few Macedonian-related articles on my watchlist; I'm not that knowledgeable about the content but I can do vandalism reversion and reversion of uneducated unuseful edits. I'm an American of half-Greek descent, but that isn't really the reason why I decided to start watching Macedonia articles ... I just tend to drift from topic to topic every few months. Some of the article I edit are things I'm knowledgeable about, but a lot of them aren't. Anyway, nice to meet you. Soap /_{Contributions} 01:04, 21 September 2008 (UTC)

What are you, dense?

(cur) (last) 00:46, 21 September 2008 BalkanFever (Talk | contribs) (145,748 bytes) (reveritng poorly sourced (speculation only) crap about macedonia. that's it from me for today. if idiots like alchaemia and the anons revert, get rid of them) (undo)

Insults such as these have no place in Misplaced Pages, and you're kindly asked to stop the charade. --alchaemia (talk) 01:08, 21 September 2008 (UTC)

I must add, What are you, dense? is a really polite way to point out others' insults. --iNkubusse

First off, don't cry, since you randomly attacked me a few sections up. Second, what charade? Macedonia should not be called an "imminent recogniser", because the amount of speculation in the sources of the (single, I may add) source is laughable. Compare this with the Macedonian MFA, quotes (or lack thereof) from Macedonian politicians, and news from Macedonian media, and what do you see? iNkubusse, would you like to help out? You may as well, since you're actually in Macedonia, and I'm getting tired searching all Macedonian media just to prove something to trolls that won't listen anyway. BalkanFever 07:07, 21 September 2008 (UTC)

Sure, I can at least try to be helpful. Just tell me what to do exactly. :) I mean, what kind of quotes to look for. By the way, I wouldn't be surprised if this shitty state recognises Kosovo imminently, but I also wouldn't include that in the article, because the sources are weak. Crvenkovski probably just got drunk and God knows what happened. :P --iNkubusse 11:19, 21 September 2008 (UTC)

Basically "Македонија (утре ќе) ја признава Косово." or something to that effect, preferably from Nikola, Branko or Antonio, or anyone else reliable (in this context) i.e. not Ali, Menduh or Imer. BalkanFever 12:03, 21 September 2008 (UTC)

Oh, that of course goes for the exact opposite too. BalkanFever 12:12, 21 September 2008 (UTC)

Брат, јас ти одговорив уште тогаш кога ми пиша ти последен пат, ама по грешка стиснав alt+F4 за нешто друго, и ми пропадна целиот текст, па се изнервирав и баталив некое време. Накратко, I'm workin' on it. ;) Како што гледаш од Авала, Владата нема што да каже во врска со тоа, а да не зборуваме одлучно да изјави дека ќе го признава Косово тогаш-и-тогаш. Јас мислам дека Владата нема да каже ништо децидно сè до денот кога всушност ќе го признава, што значи дека нема место на Википедија за такви (дез)информации. Поздрав. --iNkubusse 22:48, 23 September 2008 (UTC)

Gruevski has spoken

Gruevski has spoken on the issue of Kosovo and recognition speculations - . Could you update the article? Thanks, --Avala (talk) 18:00, 21 September 2008 (UTC)

I would have added it but in the case I mistranslated some fine detail I would risk of being accused of falsifying and whatnot so I decided to wait for you. Cheers --Avala (talk) 15:40, 22 September 2008 (UTC)

thanks

im glad to be back. PMK1 (talk) 08:32, 23 September 2008 (UTC)

Please stop personal attacks on Greek contributers

The title of your last revert to me said "greek nationalists try to emphasize significance bt lets let the non-retarded decide"

Although you seem to be trying to obfuscate you are a FYROM nationalist to other Misplaced Pages contributers your obsessive anti-Greek editing history makes it quite clear . That's not a crime but I don't appreciate your continued name calling me (e.g. "non-retarded"). Misplaced Pages's code of conduct explicitly states no personal attacks. I'd appreciate it if you could stick to article discussions. Crossthets (talk) 01:50, 24 September 2008 (UTC)

Funny how people complain to me about my personal attacks by using personal attacks. Do you fail to see that I was paraphrasing you? Anyway, everything is in my first edit summary. That has been taken out of context, and you should get a reliable source talking about it, not some "evidence" from nationalist outlets. BalkanFever 02:09, 24 September 2008 (UTC)

You say that I said a personal attack but I haven't. Despite that you try to hide it...you do appear to be a FYROM nationalist (or do you deny it?). Misplaced Pages's code of conduct also explicitly states mentioning someone is a nationalist (a potential conflict-of-interest) isn't abusive whereas calling someone "retarded" certainly is no gray are)

Despite that Misplaced Pages allows for it, I would prefer to avoid using the word "nationalist" myself (at least when dealing with you one-on-one) but it's kind of hard to do when at every chance you, a FYROM nationalist, swing that at me (and you started it in your edits by the way). If you enjoy being called a nationalist yourself... keep doing it. If you stop characterizing me like that I will do the same for you. Again...your call.

Despite your assurances that FYROM's PM Gruveski knelling in front of a large map of United_Macedonia a foot in front of him has somehow been taken out of context (which incidentally I didn't say anything on the matter just provide a link to the image).... you offer absolute no evidence to back up your claim.

This isn't some casual mistake by someone insignificant. This is the leader of an entire country bowing down to a map showing a third of someone else's country occupied. Many people would consider that an act of war (or at the very least political incompetence considering how sensitive the issues between FYROM and Greece these days). It was certainly newsworthy. However, before reverting it back I will give you an opportunity to explain how such an extreme photograph can be been "taken out of context" and why Wikipedians shouldn't be allowed to know about it so as to judge the significance of this international incident for themselves). Crossthets (talk) 02:52, 24 September 2008 (UTC)

Yes, it was stupid of him to do it. He should have known the Greek media and Greek nationalists are a few sandwiches short of a picnic. And of course it was out of context. Tell me, whose monument is it? What was their objective (wiki article on them isn't great btw)? Was he kneeling to the monument or the map? And if it was an international incident, how come only Greek media outlets (including lobbyists) reported it? BalkanFever 03:03, 24 September 2008 (UTC)

What are you trying to achieve here Balkanfever? Are you so obsessed in your hatred of Greeks that you can't see your statements like "a few sandwiches short of picnic" is outright bigotry directed against Greeks? (let me guess.. you also deny Alexander the Great was Greek too right?)

Rather than arguing the photograph is "out of context" (or screaming "nationalist" every time some fact disagrees with your world view).... why don't you instead try to coherently explain the FYROM nationalist viewpoint. How can such an extreme photograph be taken out of context?

And while you are at it... during a recent FYROM "human rights" parade in Australia a large prominent banner declared "Solun will be the capital of Macedonia again" (the Solun they are referring to is already the capital of Macedonia... Thessaloníki in Macedonia Greece)

Is that "out of context" too? Funny how that keeps happening. Crossthets (talk) 03:40, 24 September 2008 (UTC)

Greek media and Greek nationalists are a subset of Greeks; not all Greeks are "journalists" or nationalists. Unless of course you want to tell me that they are, in which case you should stop insulting your own kind. Why don't you try to explain the Greek nationalist viewpoint? Oh wait, you have, on your userpage. It's not the photograph in itself that is out of context, it's your sorry attempt at an explanation of it, which basically amounts to "look! gruefski n teh fyromz r teh evilz!". And no, that nationalist banner isn't out of context. It's quite irredentist indeed. What do you want me to do about it? Give them a talking to? The problem is that your media and your nationalists try to use something like that as representative of all ethnic Macedonians. I've seen similar posters from Greeks in Australia, the only difference is you'll defend it as "patriotism" or say its a "reaction" to something else, since you're probably the one who makes them. BalkanFever 05:32, 24 September 2008 (UTC)

Just out of curiosity, when have you ever seen a "similar poster" from Greeks with maps incorporating territories of neighbouring countries? I'd like to see an example, as you seem to be trying to equate the behaviour of the two communities, when in fact they aren't comparable. United Macedonia irredentism is de rigeur for organized "Macedonian" communities around the world; it simply isn't for the Greeks. As for Gruevski, your attempt to defend him is hilarious. He's not the bloody chairman of Preston "Makedonija", for fuck's sake; he's the elected leader of a sovereign state, and should start behaving accordingly. ·ΚΕΚΡΩΨ· 08:02, 24 September 2008 (UTC)

At the Australian Open. Some retard was holding a banner about Constantinople and Smyrna. And it said something about Enosis, since he came to see that "patriot" Baghdatis. Oh I'm sure your leaders are great people. The "Macedonian" Karamanlis is the leader of a sovereign multi-ethnic state, why isn't he acting like one? BalkanFever 08:16, 24 September 2008 (UTC)

I knew you'd bring that up, which is why I stressed organized in my initial post. It's always the Australian Open, and always Baghdatis. It must really bother you to see a Cypriot who isn't ashamed of being Greek (unfathomable, I know) play at such an élite level. The rally led by the "Solun will be the capital of Macedonia again" banner was sponsored by the organized "Macedonian" communities there, no? You could be one of the guys holding it, for all I know. The guy on the right with the bad sideburns, perhaps? As for Karamanlis, I'm no fan either, but I don't get what your beef is. Did I miss his laying a wreath before a map of the Treaty of Sèvres cessions? If anything, Greek leaders are usually accused of the opposite; laying the obligatory wreath at Atatürk's mausoleum when visiting Ankara, for example. ·ΚΕΚΡΩΨ· 08:29, 24 September 2008 (UTC)

Not really, they basically just said "come and protest". Nobody said "bring a Greek flag to burn" either, and yet some idiots did. My beef is the denial of the existence of any minorities in Greece, if you haven't realised. Not just the ethnic Macedonians, the others too. And be sure, I got rid of my sideburns long ago. Not that they were bad or anything ;). BalkanFever 08:44, 24 September 2008 (UTC)

I do know the old guy on the far right though, speaks fluent Greek. Interesting. BalkanFever 08:47, 24 September 2008 (UTC)

Did they ever try to confiscate the offensive material or sanction the culprits? No. On the contrary, the delightful banner was leading the irredentist fuckfest. That's what I mean. As for Greece's minorities, what right does an Australian citizen have to tell another country how to conduct its internal affairs? Your treatment of the Aborigines is hardly commendable, even if Australia does recognizes their existence. Their life expectancy is more comparable to that of the Third World. What's more important, ultimately? Do your diaspora activists seriously believe the "Macedonians" of "Lerin" would have a better quality of life in a United Macedonia? ·ΚΕΚΡΩΨ· 08:57, 24 September 2008 (UTC)

How fluent is "fluent"? Can he pronounce the voiced velar fricative without choking on his capsicum? ·ΚΕΚΡΩΨ· 08:57, 24 September 2008 (UTC)

What do you want me to say about the Aborigines? That they're fine and dandy? They aren't. And the guy is more fluent than this Athenian I know. Poor kid renders /r/ as /ɹ/. BalkanFever 09:12, 24 September 2008 (UTC)

He must be a Gheg Albanian, or have a speech impediment. By the way, you probably shouldn't be compromising people's identities on the Internet. You never know who could be watching. ·ΚΕΚΡΩΨ· 09:21, 24 September 2008 (UTC)

As for the Aborigines, the point I was trying to make was that recognition of a minority is not only not a panacea, it doesn't even improve their lives. My personal opinion is that ethnicity, like religion, should be a private matter of no interest or consequence to the state. Id est the French model. Recognizing a minority means you officially tag them as The Other, leaving them vulnerable to all sorts of discrimination. Demanding recognition as a "Macedonian" minority is even worse. No, BF, Greece will not separate the population of Macedonia into "Macedonians" and non-"Macedonians". They are all Macedonians. ·ΚΕΚΡΩΨ· 09:32, 24 September 2008 (UTC)

I'm sure the Albanians (everywhere) would love that. Why should the Macedonian government separate the population of Macedonia as Macedonians and non-Macedonians? They're all Macedonians. BalkanFever 09:58, 24 September 2008 (UTC)

Because it has no choice but to perpetuate the demonstrably failed minority policies of successive Yugoslav régimes? Don't ask me, I don't really know or care. Our Macedonia is not a former Yugoslav republic, though it did come close. I can sympathize with the resentment felt by the Slavs of the "Republic of Macedonia" over having to indulge every minority under the sun, but it's not Greece's fault. ·ΚΕΚΡΩΨ· 10:01, 24 September 2008 (UTC)

It's not like bieng cocky will change the situation. But it is interesting that Kekrops has become more a bulgarophile since the last time i left. I feel like siding with the turks за инает!. :) Anyway there is no point in speculating about the macedonians in greece or the aboriginals. PMK1 (talk) 07:53, 26 September 2008 (UTC)

The part about the Bulgarians wasn't added by me, but I don't see what's wrong with it. If they can call the region Беломорска Македония, why not its former Slavic population something along those lines? ·ΚΕΚΡΩΨ· 12:41, 26 September 2008 (UTC)

YO

Pls take a look here!!! --Raso mk (talk) 07:41, 26 September 2008 (UTC) P.S. Како е? Што има ново?

Сѐ е по старо; ти? Не знам што можам да придонесувам до таа статија, освен една шлакајнца за детено. BalkanFever 09:50, 26 September 2008 (UTC)

English only, especially when you discuss other editors, please. --Laveol 21:00, 26 September 2008 (UTC)

bulgarian dialects?

what happened? apparently the bulgarian language streches up to lerin :S! another POV page: Bulgarian dialects PMK1 (talk) 07:56, 26 September 2008 (UTC)

Well, I was the one calling for that article for a while, when everyone was on my back for the Macedonian dialects. I was under the (idiotic) impression that it could be done well, and neutrally, leaving the "Macedonian is Bulgarian" agenda behind, with transitional dialects treated as such if need be. Unfortunately, the entire aim of the article seems to be to support that fringe view. You can't hold a dialogue with them either, because none of them understand English or Macedonian well enough, no matter how much they say they do. BalkanFever 10:13, 26 September 2008 (UTC)

Lol you have a point, they seem to forget when the dialogue begins. I also called for such a page ages ago. but that page is way too propaganda. Apparantly 2 transitional dialects were not enough Solun-Voden Dialect is also now transitional?? :S?

I just read your user page, feel sorry for you. It seems like you do or write something and everyone looks for an explanation lol. People need to get lives lol. You know the propaganda will never end! PMK1 (talk) 10:43, 26 September 2008 (UTC)

Nah, leave the Solun thing. If it can be done to focus on the linguistics it's fine. Macedonian variants being added for comparison is a good idea, but I must admit I am confused about the orthography being used for the dialectal words. I think we (everybody) can actually get somewhere with this article :) BalkanFever 10:49, 26 September 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, Bulgarian contributors don't speak one bit English and their Macedonian is appalling, you can't communicate with them because they're retarded, backward and underdeveloped. Oh, wait. But yeah, sucks to be Bulgarian in this world of united Macedonia from Tokyo to London :) By the way, the Bulgarian language would stretch up to Korçë to the west and the Haliacmon to the south, so Florina (Lerin? Irredentist! :P) isn't really where it ended. Propagandalf to death!

Now, face the facts and get to understand that life isn't as cool as you'd like it to be. People in modern northern Greece don't speak your language and neither do they speak ours: whether you call them Bulgarian or Macedonian, those dialects are next to dead. It's like two jackals contesting a cadaver. No point in calling for revert squad reinforcements over a cadaver, right?

Quit the generalizations and leave the stereotypes behind, then we can talk. It's very sad that purely Macedonian dialects in Greece and Bulgaria (pardon?) suddenly become transitional, but life's hard :S Todor→Bozhinov 11:19, 26 September 2008 (UTC)

Aha, aha, yet you speak our language as "native". Right. Thanks for explaining linguistics, world geography and the meaning of life to me, Dr. High School dropout. Really, you're like Jesus (Bulgarian: Исус Христов) but better. BalkanFever 11:34, 26 September 2008 (UTC)

Your language is my language too. I respect the fact that the Macedonian literary form has been codified on a Serbian typewriter and stuffed with Serbian loanwords, but it's probably closer to the standard Bulgarian literary form than Banat Bulgarian, which I speak and write less natively than Macedonian :) Really bad guesses about my qualifications and likeness to Jesus though. All the best, Todor→Bozhinov 14:19, 26 September 2008 (UTC)

So you haven't dropped out yet and you suck compared to Jesus. Good to know. BalkanFever 14:33, 26 September 2008 (UTC)

As a Greek I'm probably in no position to ask, but I will anyway. Why do Bulgarians even want these guys to belong to them so badly? I don't see how any future incorporation into Bulgaria of the even poorer Vardarska will benefit them in any meaningful way. ·ΚΕΚΡΩΨ· 14:47, 26 September 2008 (UTC)

Well it's not all of them, only the retards. BalkanFever 14:53, 26 September 2008 (UTC)

The way I see it, if Montenegrin can be its own bloody language, good luck to you. ·ΚΕΚΡΩΨ· 14:56, 26 September 2008 (UTC)

Please, no more yellow bars for today. BalkanFever 15:01, 26 September 2008 (UTC)

First, we all suck compared to Jesus, I hope Fever isn't utterly offended :P Second, I'm not an irredentist and I respect everyone's right to self-determination. I'm just asking them to respect our common history because denial and propaganda lead to nowhere. Whether the Most Serene Republic is poor or not is their own problem, that's for them to solve, we have our own problems too, although not as severe. To be honest, the best and only solution would be this one which Fever also supports, but it need not come wholeheartedly and unconditionally. In order for that to happen, the Most Serene Republic will have to quit the propaganda (per Bulgaria's request) and adopt a better name (per Greece's request). EU membership is a catharsis for this country: will they leave anti-Bulgarianism behind and join us in united Europe or will they live on isolated in their imaginary Yugoslavian fairy tale while being overtaken as the dominant ethnicity by a growing secessionist population? Todor→Bozhinov 15:02, 26 September 2008 (UTC)

When did Macedonia become San Marino? Seriously though, leave the bar alone. BalkanFever 15:14, 26 September 2008 (UTC)

Max/Ip 84

is getting, annoying, right?--Jakezing (talk) 12:49, 29 September 2008 (UTC)

Damn right. BalkanFever 12:50, 29 September 2008 (UTC)

first it was avala; though that atleast went through some of the rules, then tocino, now we have somebody SUPPORTING the kosovars that is annoying... what next?--Jakezing (talk) 12:53, 29 September 2008 (UTC)

Never really payed enough attention to whether the others were annoying, but the next one will probably end up being me, just because I will have stopped caring what I reply to.... ;) BalkanFever 13:09, 29 September 2008 (UTC)

Please no personal attacks.84.134.118.38 (talk) 14:54, 29 September 2008 (UTC)

Please, don't waste my time with Macedonia. The next time you add something it better be completed recognition, not some more crap. BalkanFever 14:58, 29 September 2008 (UTC)

Why do you say such things?84.134.118.38 (talk) 15:00, 29 September 2008 (UTC)

Because you are annoying and don't understand anything I say. BalkanFever 02:44, 30 September 2008 (UTC)

I'm understanding everything and I'm definitely NOT annoying! Please don't call me that!84.134.124.82 (talk) 13:25, 30 September 2008 (UTC)

I'll stop calling you annoying when you stop doing annoying things. This includes creating more sections about Macedonia in regards to recognition of Kosovo when nothing has changed. It also includes whining about non-existent "personal attacks", and how much you "are understanding". If you stop that, I don't think I'll have any reason to call you annoying. BalkanFever 13:33, 30 September 2008 (UTC)

And why I'm doing this? What do you think? Because some stupid people here treat me bad. And please read the sources again, therv are news! 84.134.123.210 (talk) 14:43, 30 September 2008 (UTC)

They might qualify as "news" for some, but not here. You really need to listen to (read) what people are saying (writing) about your "updates", and try to improve, rather than assuming that they are stupid and they hate you. BalkanFever 14:52, 30 September 2008 (UTC)

He called me stupid... thats a violation of WP:NPA, as was his edit to this page where he called me a racist.--Jakezing (talk) 12:47, 2 October 2008 (UTC)

If you want to follow it up, you could go to WP:ANI or WP:WQA... BalkanFever 12:55, 2 October 2008 (UTC)

September 2008

I noticed that you have posted comments to the page User talk:Psyxotherapia in a language other than English. When on the English-language Misplaced Pages, please always use English, no matter to whom you address your comments. This is so that comments may be comprehensible to the community at large. If the use of another language is unavoidable, please provide a translation of the comments. For more details, see Misplaced Pages:Talk page guidelines. Thank you. I know you wrote in Greek because it looks like the user may not know English, but the guidelines call for a translation in that case. I did make out that you were telling him this is English Misplaced Pages and were referring him to the Greek edition. Largo Plazo (talk) 13:34, 29 September 2008 (UTC)

Greece situates partially in Asia

The source, which shows that Greece situates partially in Asia: Around the world: Countries that exist wholly or partially within geographical Europe, inter alia From the Black Sea coast, the geographical border of Europe passes through the deepest parts of the Black Sea to the mouth of the Bosphorus; on through the Bosphorus, the Sea of Marmara and the Dardanelles to the Aegean Sea; through the deepest parts of the Aegean Sea to the Mediterranean and around to the Straits of Gibraltar. The line through the Aegean Sea divides the Greek Islands between continental Europe and continental Asia.
--WPK (talk) 13:15, 30 September 2008 (UTC)

possible new revert war on the horizon where else if not on the Macedonia (disambiguation) page

] 01/10/08 someone has re-placed a geografical region infront of an independent state in the Macedonia (disambiguation) page. you can use like a refference Luxembourg (disambiguation), Ireland (disambiguation), Karelia (disambiguation) where the disambiguated terms are stated in order of importance, e.g. first states, than regions etc. Can you take a look plz, tnx Alex Makedon (talk) 16:06, 2 October 2008 (UTC)

Just look at the consensus from (last edit in September) in the history to find the answer. BalkanFever 01:23, 3 October 2008 (UTC)

ANI Notice

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Which template did you subst? BalkanFever 11:46, 4 October 2008 (UTC)

Arrogance and irony won't help, why don't you seriously consider your behaviour in Misplaced Pages instead?--   Avg    11:54, 4 October 2008 (UTC)

I'd just like to know which template, because it seems quite handy. If you don't want to tell me, then fine. BalkanFever 12:03, 4 October 2008 (UTC)

Please moderate your language

Please see Misplaced Pages's no personal attacks policy. Comment on content, not on contributors. Personal attacks damage the community and deter users. Note that continued personal attacks will lead to blocks for disruption. Please stay cool and keep this in mind while editing. Thank you. Re this edit summary, please express yourself without undue profanity. LessHeard vanU (talk) 12:56, 4 October 2008 (UTC)

OK. BalkanFever 13:00, 4 October 2008 (UTC)

Request assistance Macedonian article

i wanted to organize the information on the Macedonian article, and have encountered some pretty strong and (according to me) unresonable resistance. Can you objectively assist the article modification. thank you Alex Makedon (talk) 19:18, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

Can you take a look plz, its the second time i make an argumented constructive modification of the article, according to agreements and suggestions discussed on the talk page, that are reverted with no other reasons stated than "there is no consensus" (in other words i dont like your edit). thank you Alex Makedon (talk) 11:06, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

Wow I never noticed this section until now. Weird. There's not much I can do due to time constraints, and I'm tired of arguing anyway. ChrisO will be able to help with consensus/disputed info and editing the protected page...BalkanFever 11:14, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

ok, tnx Alex Makedon (talk) 11:32, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

Frustration

Thanks for advice on talk page, but there is no point. My block has ended before I have noticed blocking.

I am frustrated with User:Don Luca Brazzi and answers from wiki administrators which are part of article discussion. We are going toward 3rd RFC because of new user edit warring in Balkan related articles (all his edits are edit warring). Even his edit warring against consensus is going without "award"....--Rjecina (talk) 19:37, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

Kosovo

From Talk:International reaction to the 2008 declaration of independence by Kosovo

Before you go, are you happy with the decision? What does the proverbial average man on the street have to say about it? ·ΚΕΚΡΩΨ· 09:46, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

Honestly I don't care much for Kosovo itself, I care about the consequences of this for Macedonia. Most non-Albanian Macedonians are probably against recognition of what they would consider a secessionist-terrorist entity, so the proverbial man might be frustrated. I don't understand how this could in any way have benefits though. Serbian wrath may well be felt soon enough. Crappy choice of neighbours I guess. BalkanFever 10:04, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

Hehe we know the feeling, trust me. ·ΚΕΚΡΩΨ· 10:10, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

Another ANI

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I took the liberty of substing this template. In future, write your own message. It could just be a link, I don't care, but don't patronise me with this >incivility removed due to continual complaints< BalkanFever 21:43, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

If I had to write a new message every time you called somebody to f*ck off or a scumbag, or a filthy dog, it'd took forever. --Laveol 10:11, 11 October 2008 (UTC)

Hardy har har har har. Mnogo smyashno. Maybe you should find something useful to do, Abby. BalkanFever 10:28, 11 October 2008 (UTC)

You can't help it, can you? If you're not calling someone names, you'll try your sarcasm on him to see if it has the same result. Is this the only way? To be honest I'm tired of all this as are at least 5-6 other editors. Yes, I'm annoyed cause I don't think this is polite and a proper way of communicating with others. Content disputes are not a reason to act uncivil. They're just not. If someone has different views than you, it doesn't automatically mean he's a bad man or all the stuff you call him. Why can't you understand that? And, no, I'm not "bating" you to continue with this as I want it to end. And, frankly, I think you're smarter than that. --Laveol 15:02, 11 October 2008 (UTC)

Yes, I use sarcasm. So what? There are tons of way more sarcastic users on wiki. It's not a content dispute Laveol, that's what you don't understand. It is a fact that Sarievski wrote the song. Yes, based slightly on a Bulgarian song. Read the "origins" section. The quote is in direct contradiction to the anon's story. The intro doesn't even make sense any more. Which people and which Macedonia? Obviously the SFRY and RoM (and SRoM), because Serbs and Croats sing it, calling it a Macedonian song. Add to that, he's been creating SPAs since April with names like "lolski" and "fyromski" and has been reverted by FP and anti-vandalism bots. And the guy who blocked me is conveniently away, so this "contributor" can continue wrecking the encyclopaedia. Do you see why I use sarcasm? BalkanFever 00:16, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

Hey buddy,

What's up? How are you? Beam 03:15, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

I'm fine. Blocked, but fine. How (and where) have you been? BalkanFever 03:17, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

Good, and here and there (but not here). Oh and I'm pleased to see you haven't changed a bit! Beam 06:35, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

tsiraki

means loyal follower(with bad sense) and neither collaborator nor political tool. I guess babblefish played games with FP --Ioannes Tzimiskes (talk) 09:01, 13 October 2008 (UTC)

OK then...BalkanFever 09:06, 13 October 2008 (UTC)

Aegean Macedonia

Its pretty unclear how is it possible that undocumented personal preferences and POV can influence and have an important role in the articles. Im refering to the Republic of Macedonia aricle, this in particular where just to "calm down" the vandals, or in other words just to suit vandals, important documented and verified information (by encyclopedia Britannica)about Aegean and Pirin Macedonia was deleted. best regards Alex Makedon (talk) 10:20, 13 October 2008 (UTC)

Ej, ne možat site "bitki" da se pobedat. Kaži mi, kakva važna informacija izbrišav jas? Navistina ima li tolku vrska? Takvi ureduvački borbi se dosadni. Ova ti e služba, bidejkji verojatno ako toa prodolžilo kje go imaš kršeno praviloto. Pozdrav BalkanFever 10:40, 13 October 2008 (UTC)

Just for everybody to know - there's nothing here that needs translating. --Laveol 18:49, 13 October 2008 (UTC)

Bold thingy

1 there is no evidence that its a common way to refer to the Macedonians (ethnic group) by Slav Macedonians,

2 Macedonians (ethnic group)often consider a pejorative and offensive the term Slav Macedonian: "However, the current use of "Slavomacedonian" in reference to both the ethnic group and the language, although acceptable in the past, can be considered pejorative and offensive by some ethnic Macedonians" International Helsinki Federation for Human Rights and here ] Alex Makedon (talk) 11:14, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

I'm not disputing what you say; you can have the bolding argument with the others. It's too WP:LAME for me to waste time on. I'm simply saying that if it's not in bold you put it in quotation marks, so that it is proper English. BalkanFever 05:51, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

ok, fair enough Alex Makedon (talk) 09:58, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

Athens News Agency

Do you consider Athens News Agency as inaccurate? -- Magioladitis (talk) 09:37, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

Not in and of itself, but when it comes to the Republic of Macedonia, Greek sources have a history of getting things wrong. See the Panama sections of the talk page there to see what I mean. I'm sure ANA would be a great for something like Greece's position at International reaction to the 2008 declaration of independence by Kosovo‎, but for bilateral relations between two foreign countries, not so much. BalkanFever 09:41, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

IBAN

SWIFT controls the IBAN and it uses FYRM designation. See http://www.swift.com/index.cfm?item_id=58407 Sorry, but that is how it is.--Tom (talk) 14:00, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

mk-wiki

Hey Balkan, are you ever active over at mk-wiki? They've really gone crazy enough to create an article, mk:Старомакедонска_азбука, about that ridiculous "decipherment" of the Rosetta Stone as "Macedonian", apparently presenting the whole thing as undisputed fact. Incredible. Could you help me find out how to start a deletion process over there? I have my doubts if it will succeed, but I really can't let this stand unchallenged, it throws a very very bad light on the legitimacy of the whole project over there in terms of allegiance to NPOV, in my view. Fut.Perf. ☼ 19:08, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

Well, there's no XFD process there because there's no overwhelming need for one; only a deletion template (kind of like our csd ones here). You could say something at the Village pump to get input, or go directly to admin Brainmachine. As for NPOV, I think you're smarter than to expect much from any Balkan Misplaced Pages. Have fun. BalkanFever 03:56, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

revert war on the horison over a see also link O.o

Hi, can you take a look we have a talk page consensus and your positive opinion, about keeping the link List of homonymous states and regions reference, still hordes of lame Greek reverteditors keep reverting and deleting this link with NO arguments, the link was reverted 4 times the last 12 hours, and I repeat with no arguments. Can you do something about this or should we assume that the lame Greek POVeditors Hegemony in[REDACTED] is absolute, so the non lame greek editors better spend their time elsewhere? thank you Alex Makedon (talk) 13:29, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

Either way, really. I don't see any harm in adding it to the see also. If they're going tag-team on you, it's because they want you to break 3RR so they can report you and you can get blocked. So leave it if you have to. BalkanFever 05:22, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

Infact I dont intend to engage into useless revert wars, thats why i ask for admin assistance, im sure there is something to be done (vandalism-disruptive editing warning/ban)in order to keep the inforamtion on the page and not enter in to edit wars.Alex Makedon (talk) 09:36, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

No, I don't want to get him blocked. I want him to stop reinserting his OR into the article. So what if there is an Azerbaijan and an Azerbaijan (Iran)? It's the same bloody people on either side of the border, and not comparable to Macedonia in the slightest. How about we add, as Nikos suggested, a list of places that do disambiguate from the original toponym: Mexico and New Mexico, York and New York, Caledonia and New Caledonia, et cetera ad nauseam? ·ΚΕΚΡΩΨ· 11:26, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

If you want to add also a list of places that do disambiguate from the original toponym feel free to do so, still since its a fact that Republic of Macedonia shares its name with the region its place is on the List of homonymous states and regions and its important to add this under see also, there is no place for "so what" talks. Alex Makedon (talk) 11:42, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

See WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS. ·ΚΕΚΡΩΨ· 11:49, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

lol as if had to do anything with the approven link, the WP:GAME will not help. Alex Makedon (talk) 11:56, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

Jag är approven. Vad är det du antyder? ·ΚΕΚΡΩΨ· 11:59, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

Discuss this on your own talk pages. BalkanFever 00:53, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

Дали ти можеш да го додадеш овој линк на страната со оглед дека ја поддржуваш идеата? Ако јас продолжам да го додавам овој линк на страната, иако се е супер аргументирано и нема никакви контрааргументи, сепак ке биде веднаш сменето а во крајна линија ке испаднам јас крив т.е. бануван. Балгодарам Alex Makedon (talk) 11:50, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

AfD nomination of Exodus of Ethnic Macedonians from Greece

An article you may be interested in, Exodus of Ethnic Macedonians from Greece, has been listed for deletion. If you are interested in the deletion discussion, please participate by adding your comments at Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Exodus of Ethnic Macedonians from Greece. Thank you. PMK1 (talk) 11:02, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

Unfortunately I don't

But I am going to try to find something more about this dictionary. Do you have Aromanian roots by any chance? My family, on my fathers side, is vlach speaking and I am most interested in the subject myself--Giorgos Tzimas (talk) 12:43, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

Actually, I would hardly call it phihellenic. The way I see it philhellenism was quite a different thing. It is particularly interesting though in relation to the emergence of Balkan identities, and the perceptions of ethnicity. I am aware of the link you provided but thanks for taking the trouble of reminding it. I was hoping to find the paper mentioning the dictionary and maybe some more excerpts. I tried Anemi (an excellent source) but to no avail. Right now Jingby seems to be somehow obsessed with pasting it everywhere. Basically, I don't disagree as long as it is integrated organically in the articles rather than arbitrarily and somewhat erratically as seems to be the case so far. P.S. What comments?--Giorgos Tzimas (talk) 12:05, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

Nope, unfortunately I found nothing through my internet resources... If I happen to trace something I' ll send it ASAP. Youtube comments! LOL! I couldn't care less about Youtube comments--Giorgos Tzimas (talk) 15:08, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

AfD nomination of Macedonian language naming dispute

An article you may be interested in, Macedonian language naming dispute, has been listed for deletion. If you are interested in the deletion discussion, please participate by adding your comments at Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Macedonian language naming dispute. Thank you. Alex Makedon (talk) 00:27, 5 November 2008 (UTC)

Pozdrav

Hey, thanks for the welcome :) It's good to see some Macedonian editors here and that it's not all one-sided. Cheers Bruka (talk) 06:55, 5 November 2008 (UTC)

Cyrillic letters in IPA

I've started a try in Talk:List of Cyrillic letters. Please give comments. --✉ Hello World! 19:03, 5 November 2008 (UTC)

Can you have a word with ΚΕΚΡΩΨ about his recent disruptive editing

He has been adding the Greek Language among the languages spoken in Macedonia in a total of 7 times up till now. We have some pretty strong evidence that the language is not spoken in Macedonia, at least not in a significant number: European Council , United Nations , Britannica encyclopedia , BBC Educational , Eupedia . This has been backed up by many editors also. The only lame arguments this user uses to support this fantomatic language minority is this web page and even here the Greek it is not clearly stated among the languages of Macedonia. "The number of languages listed for Macedonia is 9." Non of them is Greek. Can you have a word with him about his recent disruptive editing and vandalism on the Republic of Macedonia page. Thank you Alex Makedon (talk) 19:08, 7 November 2008 (UTC)

It's not like he listens to me. What could I say that hasn't already been said? BalkanFever 01:47, 8 November 2008 (UTC)

What is there to say? That any mention of the Greek or Bulgarian minorities clashes head-on with your ethnic nationalism? Nobody cares, though I must admit that watching you get hysterical over the non-kosher minorities while demanding recognition of the "Macedonian" minorities in neighbouring states is rather amusing. ·ΚΕΚΡΩΨ· 02:37, 8 November 2008 (UTC)

What are you doing right now? Demanding "recognition" of 400 Greeks in my Macedonia and denying the existence 10-30,000 ethnic Macedonians in your Macedonia. Ease off on the spanakopita, Adolphos. BalkanFever 05:07, 8 November 2008 (UTC)

Blinded

...I must have been blind these last few days because I just noticed this part of your post "There's a great paper by Victor Friedman, among other things". Sorry for not responding earlier and hope you won't take it as some kind of disregard on my part. If you are referring to Friedman, Victor A., "The Vlah Minority in Macedonia: Language, Identity, Dialectology, and Standardization" in Selected Papers in Slavic, Balkan, and Balkan Studies, ed. Juhani Nuoluoto, Martii Leiwo, Jussi Halla-aho. Slavica Helsingiensa 21. University of Helsinki, 2001 I first read it here in WP. If you had a different paper in mind I would most certainly be interested. Sorry for not replying promptly--Giorgos Tzimas (talk) 10:41, 8 November 2008 (UTC)

Well my aunts were always bilingual, my father speaks only Greek. My grand father was a vlach speaking Greek from Pindus but my grand mother wasn't so that's just about it. Unfortunately I can understand only words and phrases and I always get confused when I see Aromanian written in latin characters. In any case I always enjoyed the songs and dances and have wonderful memories from our local fests.--Giorgos Tzimas (talk) 11:27, 8 November 2008 (UTC)

Oh... and something you might find interesting is that a lot of my cousins speak the language quite fluently along with Greek--Giorgos Tzimas (talk) 11:32, 8 November 2008 (UTC)

Hmmm... if my memory does not fail me it should be something like: him, hii, eashte, him, hit, soont, but you must keep in mind that this is probably my own perception of what I hear. I don't even know if it makes any sense to you. There is a site with audio samples from Greece but I can't find it right now. There is also an early 20th century dictionary you might be interested in --Giorgos Tzimas (talk) 12:14, 8 November 2008 (UTC)

Found it! There is also a group in facebook where you can join and ask whatever you want--Giorgos Tzimas (talk) 12:43, 8 November 2008 (UTC)

It belongs to the northern variation. It was actually recorded in the Village Megala Livadia near Thessalonica (google translator actually renders the name in English as "Big Meadows" hehehehe ). There are many more samples if you would care to search the website a bit more--Giorgos Tzimas (talk) 13:05, 8 November 2008 (UTC)

Hello

Значи ова е едно недоразбирање. Извинувањето е прифатено. Поздрав, Bomac (talk) 11:38, 8 November 2008 (UTC)

What is exactly the problem on "Political Refugees of teh Greek Civil War"

You wrote off a very big article with a tone of references. What is the problem exactly?Dkace (talk) 14:45, 10 November 2008 (UTC)

Knock, Knock

Hey bud, for an Australian-Macedonian you are *very* moderate :) RISPEKT! Capricornis (talk) 01:53, 11 November 2008 (UTC)

Political Refugees of the Greek Civil War

You noted that my edits in this article suck and you revert them with ethnic propaganda. Can we find a way out of this dead-end situation ? Dkace (talk) 08:10, 11 November 2008 (UTC)

Edit

I think that "some" is not needed there. The refs don't even mention "Hungarians", so I wouldn't say it's a "generalisation". This is quite a basic issue in Hungary to this very day. Squash Racket (talk) 08:58, 13 November 2008 (UTC)

OK. I'll take your word for it. BalkanFever 09:00, 13 November 2008 (UTC)

Diff between vandalism and content dispute

Are you playing some sort of a game - you know there is a difference, and you know it very well. Neither of the texts has any refs or anything. You remove his version calling his edit vandalism? And how is it vandalism? In the same way I can call your own edit vandalism. --Laveol 10:32, 20 November 2008 (UTC)

And you claimed something was sourced when it wasn't. So the real question is: were you outright lying or just <insert word which will get me another AN/I>? BalkanFever 11:38, 20 November 2008 (UTC)

I wasn't lying - I thought there was a source about the alleged Bulgarianness of his parents (see the talkpage). I thought it still had it. Happy now? As for your case you're actually POV-pushing as is the IP and you have no right to call his edits vandalsim. I'll look up a source on the subject and probably add his text back. --Laveol 21:22, 20 November 2008 (UTC)

What IP? BalkanFever 00:01, 21 November 2008 (UTC)

To be

Oops, I just now realize you left me a message so I gladly oblige as follows:

The various Vlach dialects are quite "fractured", the spoken language can wildly vary.

But you'd definitely strike luck with the following (and make yourself understood by any self-respectable Vlach native regardless of what his 'milieu' or region of origin might be)

Io hiu, Mini esc(u), Io-s = I am

Tini (tine) hii/esti = You/Thou are (art)

El(u), Ea easti = He/She/It is

Noi him(u) = We are

Voi hiti = You are

Eli/Eali suntu = They are

Apostolos Margaritis (talk) 12:38, 20 November 2008 (UTC)

Thank you very much

thank you for the pointers, i'd be really happy to help you in editting any pages and helping you find any information. im currently working on Loznani which is my home village in republic of Macedonia so if you know anything about it or know how to make this page look more proffesional or better looking please be my guest and help. thank you very much

(Batispecela (talk) 10:23, 24 November 2008 (UTC))

Loznani

Dude, would you please take a look at and perhaps clean up the language section of this tiny, little village Loznani. It's totally Chinese to me. Thanks. Aramgar (talk) 05:01, 26 November 2008 (UTC)

No problem, homie. BalkanFever 09:51, 26 November 2008 (UTC)

help, discrimination of macedonian history

hy balkanfever! could you as a mod look at article "flags of the rep. of macedonia"? 2 probably bulgarian wikipedians are deleting the pre-1944 flags (probably becuase they consider pre-1944-macedonian history bulgarian) and for some reason the ethnic macedonian flags too??? i think that's totally unfair and not a treue compromise. also, the several (historical) coats of arms of macedonia have been removed from the page, which is absurd, too. please take a look. this is another attempt by anti-macedonians too erase macedonian preeWW2-historY. regards Seegef (talk) 00:40, 29 November 2008 (UTC)

Unfortunately I don't have time to argue with anybody about such problems. Sorry. BalkanFever 01:33, 29 November 2008 (UTC)

Hi

I'm just dropping by to say hi to one of my favorite editors.Btw,if you don't mind me asking, is your full name Alexander?

Why thank you. Yes, it is. BalkanFever 14:01, 3 December 2008 (UTC)

I knew it. :) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Silvery Swirls (talk • contribs) 09:42, 4 December 2008 (UTC)

How clever of you, to derive Alexander from Alex. But one assumes his full name cannot be Alexander. Even Madonna has a surname. ·ΚΕΚΡΩΨ· 12:02, 4 December 2008 (UTC)

Alexander is a popular Macedonian name in general,so it wasn't really a hard thing to do :) About the surname it probably ends on -ov or -ovski or -evski or -ik. Am i right?Silvery Swirls (talk) 10:09, 7 December 2008 (UTC)

P.S. Oh,you meant full as in first name and surname? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Silvery Swirls (talk • contribs) 10:11, 7 December 2008 (UTC)

Well, there's also -ev, -oski and -eski. It's all good :) BalkanFever 10:16, 7 December 2008 (UTC)

And then there's the Vlachs, who may not have had their surnames Slavicized at all. ·ΚΕΚΡΩΨ· 10:23, 7 December 2008 (UTC)

And Albanians. And Turks. And Roma. BalkanFever 11:20, 7 December 2008 (UTC)

And Serbs, and Greeks, and Bulgarians. But are you really that multiethnic? ·ΚΕΚΡΩΨ· 11:25, 7 December 2008 (UTC)

And Bosniaks and Croats. BalkanFever 11:29, 7 December 2008 (UTC)

(^^)Silvery Swirls (talk) 11:18, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

Help?

Don't know if you can help, but... do you have any idea what PRSAMET or PRSDMET might mean? It's Serbian, I think. (Was hand-written in Cyrillic which is why I'm not sure if it's an A or a D.) Thanks. Davu.leon (talk) 13:53, 4 December 2008 (UTC)

Sorry, no idea. If I could see the document it might might help. BalkanFever 23:12, 4 December 2008 (UTC)

Предмет, perhaps? --SideOnes (talk) 05:13, 17 January 2010 (UTC)

Need some help, please

Hey, I was wondering whether you could help me find a suitable tag for my image of the Loznani soccer team Image:Hajduk footbal team loznani.JPG. Now to give you some info on it, I was the one who took this photo, most of the people in the Photo are related to me while the rest I know. I asked them for permission to allow me to put this photo on the web and its of a national A league soccer team formed in thre village of Loznani, macedonia. Got any suggestions on which tag i should use oh and I allow it to be viewed on the World wide web eg google images. Thank you very much, Batispecela (talk) —Preceding undated comment was added at 02:00, 6 December 2008 (UTC).

AfD nomination of Slavic dialects of Greece

An article that you have been involved in editing, Slavic dialects of Greece, has been listed for deletion. If you are interested in the deletion discussion, please participate by adding your comments at Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Slavic dialects of Greece. Thank you. PMK1 (talk) 08:46, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

Nice to have you around

		The Special Barnstar
		I award this medal to BalkanFever for his informed and informative contributions to Balkan-related topics and his effort to always stand close to and defend the TRUTH. Although we are on opposite POVs - Macedonian and Bulgarian − it is hard not to notice BalkanFever's neutrality. Lantonov (talk) 06:36, 23 December 2008 (UTC)

Wow. All I can say is мерси много (I hope that's correct). :-) BalkanFever 09:56, 23 December 2008 (UTC)

Моля, напълно заслужено (You are welcome, you deserve it). --Lantonov (talk) 17:22, 20 January 2009 (UTC)

Dziękuję, BallkanFever!

BalkanFever! Thank you. And please allow me wish you the same in kind. Here is my impromptu Chrismas wikicard in Polish, so that you can exercise your Macedonian, or your Polish, and everybody else, their translate.google.com widgets. :)

Dziękuję ślicznie za życzenia, i Tobie Życzę Nawzajem: Szczęśliwego Bożego Narodzenia i Dosiego :) Nowego, wszystkiego, nie tylko Roku. My z kolei, na polski wystrój z rodzinnymi bombkami i uzbieranymi kolorowymi światełkami obciążamy od wielu lat naszą, zasadzona w wielkiej doniczce, leciwą, wybujałą pod sam sufit, norfolk pine (en:Araucaria heterophylla), co stoicznie znosi to z wielkim wdziękiem. A liście to-to ma takie, i wcale podobno sosenką nie jest:

Więcej tu: commons:Category:Araucaria heterophylla. :) --Mareklug 15:26, 24 December 2008 (UTC)

Attachments

Esé, I have an interesting PDF on the history of Bitola I would like to send you. Perhaps you would know the best way to use the information. As the Misplaced Pages email does not support attachments, please send me your address if you are interested. Happy new year. Aramgar (talk) 18:35, 1 January 2009 (UTC)

And a joyous one to you too, vato. I would very much like to see this. Remember to check your spam folder if you haven't received my email. Peace, BalkanFever 23:53, 1 January 2009 (UTC)

Re: Czech alphabet

I can also think of a (and), i (as well as), k (to), o (about), s (with), u (at, near). So, along with yours, that would make 8 all together. Yeah, we're a nation of minimalists. :) Why do you ask, is this for the Czech alphabet article or just personal interest? +Hexagon1 14:33, 20 January 2009 (UTC)

I don't know of many major Romance/Germanic languages which have non-vowels allowed to form syllable nuclei, which would limit all one-letter words in those languages to just the vowels. But of course this is more a question of orthography than phonetics. In English the obvious example is the word I, but I guess Oh would be one were it not for the spelling peculiarities. It may have had something to do with the way words were separated in the Dark Ages, if I were to take an uneducated guess. If you come to any interesting conclusions feel free to drop me a line about your findings. PS: I don't get the right of conquest tag about Melbourne on your user talk top, care to explain? +Hexagon1 15:00, 20 January 2009 (UTC)

Hey, I'm in the same time-zone as you, I'm a Sydneysider! A Melburnian on the internets at almost 4am? Are you up watching the inauguration too? Or are you up all night partying and er.. editing the wiki by coincidence? +Hexagon1 16:50, 20 January 2009 (UTC)

Oh, ha ha. No, I'll be watching it on my LCD big screen, much better than sitting in the 33˚C degree heat fanning yourself with a promotional fan-like object. If only High Definition was of better quality, I can only see every second bead of sweat on their faces... +Hexagon1 08:03, 21 January 2009 (UTC)

Don't worry I'll just waste the TV on downloaded low-quality TV shows anyway before it dies of desperation in a week. Did you manage to catch the inauguration before you fell asleep? It was a pretty good speech, but I'm just glad Bush is gone. :) +Hexagon1 11:06, 21 January 2009 (UTC)

I'm positive that in four years time Obama will have lost his mass appeal as much as Rudd slowly has. All we can hope for is that Obama will repeal at least some of the more preposterous laws our American friends have come up with. I'd personally prefer a candidate who acknowledges the fictitiousness of the so-called War on Terror (and its absurd counter-productivity) but you can't have everything (and definitely not as long as Americans are allowed to vote for their own president... :) ). I better get myself to bed before I get fired up over politics and fuming with rage at all the injustices of the world that us young people whinge about, I didn't manage to catch any sleep yesterday. Been a good brief chat, feel free in the future. +Hexagon1 12:01, 21 January 2009 (UTC)

Wigger

My use of "wigger" was a direct response to an obscenity contained in a reference to a rap song, and yet you managed to turn it into a racial slur against an entire ethnic group. Is that really the best you could come up with? I think you need to workshop your Hellenophobia issues. Seriously. ·ΚΕΚΡΩΨ· 08:35, 22 January 2009 (UTC)

Thank you for the offer, Dr. Philippos. Please leave your contact details, dates and fees for the workshops. I look forward to meeting you. BalkanFever 09:10, 22 January 2009 (UTC)

Don't you mean Филип Втори? ·ΚΕΚΡΩΨ· 09:40, 22 January 2009 (UTC)

Nope. Bye bye now. BalkanFever 09:41, 22 January 2009 (UTC)

Marshall Islands

hi, sorry for bothering you, i don't like editing that list anymore unless i have a clear argument. Did you understand my reasoning in the edit summary ? Any objections ? --Zakronian (talk) 11:42, 22 January 2009 (UTC)

Yeah I think I got it now. In some places that list causes more problems than it gives useful information. BalkanFever 12:18, 22 January 2009 (UTC)

Not cool

Reverting my euphemisms, eh? I gotta watch out for you ;p Köbra | Könverse 00:29, 23 January 2009 (UTC)

If not me then who else? But I feel bad, so to make it up to you, feel free to revert one edit from here :D BalkanFever 00:37, 23 January 2009 (UTC)

Hello

Can you please take a look at Božinov's vandalism. I asked him not to vandalize and I wrote to FPS but there is still no response. I have added picture and reference from New York Times, but it was obviously against the BG propaganda so I got reverted. Take a look there and give your comments please.-- MacedonianBoy  13:06, 15 February 2009 (UTC)

Izgleda deka FP is taking care of it.. Isto taka, I really don't have much time for ušte povekje arguments with Bulgarian nationalists. They have too much cowbell for my liking ;) BalkanFever 03:16, 16 February 2009 (UTC)

Bi sakal da ve pokanam nekade,BF te molam kontaktiraj so mene na mail.

Makedonij (talk) 16:36, 21 February 2009 (UTC)

Not nice.

You might consider reverting yourself here. Fut.Perf. ☼ 11:31, 24 February 2009 (UTC)

That's the first time you've spoken (well, you know what I mean) to me in a while, so I may as well. Is there immunity up for grabs? BalkanFever 11:41, 24 February 2009 (UTC)

Well, I could perhaps sell you one of these, although they are expensive. It's at least ten paternosters for each day off ARBMAC parole. To be said in Bulgarian. Fut.Perf. ☼ 13:05, 24 February 2009 (UTC)

Bulgarian according to whose definition? Because that could be fairly easy or quite hard, depending. BalkanFever 05:57, 25 February 2009 (UTC)

This was predictable. Fut.Perf. ☼ 06:30, 25 February 2009 (UTC)

I see... BalkanFever 06:44, 25 February 2009 (UTC)

Portal image

Re the reverts here , it seems the guy is right, the animation contains images that are non-free. (Independently of he POV issue about the "Ancient Macedonian"-themed image components.) Fut.Perf. ☼ 07:32, 7 March 2009 (UTC)

Fair enough. If Macedonians ever upload a free image, give me a buzz :) BalkanFever 07:38, 7 March 2009 (UTC)

I think Inkubusse had some. And commons:User:BuildMK.... Even MacedonianBoy has uploaded a couple that look legitimate :-) Fut.Perf. ☼ 07:50, 7 March 2009 (UTC)

Woohoo! National holiday FTW. BalkanFever 08:12, 7 March 2009 (UTC)

RfD nomination of А1

I have nominated А1 (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) for discussion. Your opinions on the matter are welcome; please participate in the discussion by adding your comments at the discussion page. Thank you. JaGa 15:53, 29 March 2009 (UTC)

mk-wiki

Hi BF, could you perhaps help us out with the case on my talk page, under Need Assistance? Cheers, Fut.Perf. ☼ 06:29, 4 April 2009 (UTC)

ANI

I opened a case about your latest masterpiece. See - I'm really tired of such things constantly repeating. --Laveol 09:56, 10 April 2009 (UTC)

Just a question: How come this link (and all the links in your report) are somehow secured? Who is Equifax Secure Inc.? BalkanFever 10:36, 10 April 2009 (UTC)

Oh, I missed that. I wasn't editing from my PC and it turned out the computer I used had been blocked for some reason (not Macedonia-related :)) and had to use secure login. --Laveol 07:25, 11 April 2009 (UTC)

Per WP:AGF and my comments at ANI I am going to suggest that you do not make what may appear to be curses or swear words in non English variant languages on en-WP pages, as the translation software available is unable to indicate the tone used. Going forward, I think it reasonable to assume that any such bad language will be considered as being disruptive no matter what the tone and therefore liable to be taken into account for the purposes of issuing warnings or sanctions. I suggest that you use only English on en-WP, even if responding to persons who write in other languages, just so your comments are not open to being misrepresented. Cheers, LessHeard vanU (talk) 15:57, 10 April 2009 (UTC)

Under the circumstances (I warned you back in October for profanity) I would confirm that the above is an official level4 warning, that any further infraction may result in a block. If other people swear at you - in whatever language - ignore it or report it, but do not respond in kind. LessHeard vanU (talk) 18:29, 10 April 2009 (UTC)

Ok, noted. Thank you. BalkanFever 23:52, 10 April 2009 (UTC)

HI :-)

Hey BalkanFever! Just wanted to thank you for your contribution to the Turks in the Republic of Macedonia article. Have a great day! Turco85 (Talk) 13:54, 11 April 2009 (UTC)

Teşekkür ederim! :) BalkanFever 14:05, 11 April 2009 (UTC)

yoghurt arrticle

you can find tarator in turkey with the name tarator, cacık is yoghurt + especially cocumber +water —Preceding unsigned comment added by Girayhan (talk • contribs) 23:56, 14 April 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for the tip :) BalkanFever 02:49, 15 April 2009 (UTC)

That time of year again ...

File:Magdalene egg.jpg

Ten lies of Macedonism

Thanks for your explanation. I hope you are not working as a thumb puppet for FPatS. The author holds an international position in Sofia. This cannot be dismissed. The book is widely circulated in Bulgaria and, to a lesser degree, Republic of Macedonia (where I bought it). So this, I would argue neutralises your comment that there is "no reliable third party sources indicating its notability. only the author promoting it". It is not just the author but an entire state instution of an EU member state. What do you think? Thanks Politis (talk) 11:22, 20 April 2009 (UTC)

No, I don't work as a thumb-puppet of FP, I just happen to agree with him here. The fact that it is widely circulated does not "neutralise" anything, I'm afraid. The state institution that published Dimitrov's work is not a third-party, it is an organisation promoting the book, and if it mentions the notability of the book (which I doubt) then it will most likely be overemphasising it. Unless there are (non-Balkan) scholars talking about its specific importance or notability in terms of the Macedonian-Bulgarian conflict, and not just news articles criticising it, the article should be a redirect. BalkanFever 11:39, 20 April 2009 (UTC)

I repeat what I said, there are some world-class scholars from the Balkans (including from the RoM). I happen to agree with you about that guy; there are excellent Bulgarian scholars who just cannot understand why he hold that position in Sofia. But I must consult his book again :-(. By the way, property developers have destroyed some invaluable Constantinian architecture (from the time of Constantine the Great) in Sofia, including a large amphitheatre. Was there anything in the Macedonian press? Politis (talk) 12:08, 20 April 2009 (UTC)

I don't think that there was, but I must confess I don't read a wide range of Macedonian newspapers, and generally I don't look at the sections about miscellaneous news of the neighbours. That being said, it is disappointing to hear. I really would like to see what ends up there. Doubt it will be worth it. BalkanFever 12:44, 20 April 2009 (UTC)

Well, if you are Macedonian or of Macedonian heritage, or if you love that land (as I do, irrespective of the name issue) make sure the same does not happen in Skopje or Prilep (I am not prying into your background :-)). Property developers are the worst enemies because they turn heritage to dust. According to many Bulgarian scholars, Sofia has lost a major opportunity in becoming an important cultural centre of Constantinian civilisation. Politis (talk) 12:54, 20 April 2009 (UTC)

What the...?? How come I didn't hear about such a thing. When did it happen. I don't like the current mayor (nor any of the previous for that matter), but I've never heard about it. They discovered some ruins when they were digging for the subway and they're all in the open now in the very condition they found them (trust me on this). --Laveol 20:12, 20 April 2009 (UTC)

Hello.

Hello, BalkanFever. This message is being sent to inform you that there currently is a discussion at Misplaced Pages:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. . Thank you. PMK1 (talk) 11:30, 22 April 2009 (UTC)

Why thank you, kind sir, for informing me about an ANI that isn't specifically about me :) BalkanFever 11:45, 22 April 2009 (UTC)

However, you are an "involved party" PMK1 (talk) 13:15, 22 April 2009 (UTC)

Case pages

... not that I'd terribly mind if my user name is written this or that way, but it's a bit weird to see it done at the behest of an obvious IP troll sock. Who hasn't even done his homework properly. F.A.U.o.F.P.a.S, 11:50, 22 April 2009 (UTC)

Oh, right, on reading the comment again I think I understand it... I just thought it was some not-so-good English. By the way, now that you self-identify as F.A.U.o.F.P.a.S someone's going to have to rename your account. BalkanFever 11:58, 22 April 2009 (UTC)

I don't self-identify as that, obviously. It's only a provisional reference for use in international organisations. Fut.Perf. (T) 12:05, 22 April 2009 (UTC)

Therefore it's NPOV. Stop pushing your own POV about yourself. Where did you get the idea that users could choose their own names, anyway? BalkanFever☼ 12:15, 22 April 2009 (UTC)

Tsk tsk

You owe me at least 200 leva for saving your ass from the orthography police. Or a big bundle of delicious fruit. ,

FAUoFPaS (Ж) 13:12, 30 April 2009 (UTC)

I sure hope you mean 200 Ieva. But if not, I think I can still satisfy you. BalkanFever 13:23, 30 April 2009 (UTC)

Elena Gheorghe

Не мора апсолутно ништо да ми преведеш, разбирам се англиски....само имам еден проблем коога ќе ја напишам фразата заборавам да ја проверам, па затоа повеќето мислат дека не знам англиски што сметам дека е глупост...Инаку тоа што сум го пишал за тебе било ненамерно сметајќите за анти македонист (сеуште) објасни ми од која националност си ти??? ...кога станува збор за статијата Елена Џорџ веќе не се замарам многу, но сеуште ми е нејасно дали е Македонка или Влаинка односно половина...но се обидувам да направам неки правилности на оваа воопшто не неутрална википедија...Позззз User:1111tomica (User talk:1111tomica)

ахха мило ми е што си Австралиски МАКЕДОНЕЦ пред се...не знам по грешка имав сватено дека си против Македонија, нот тоа ќе го заборавиме ...Инаку за Елена Ѓорѓе пак може да нпишеме дека е Влаинка од Македонија т.е. за нејзниниот татко...Инаку сериозно мора да се зборува за неутралноста на арткилите на англиската википедиа кога станува збор сакам да кажам за Македонските артикли, толку личности се направени Бугари и Грци, а всушност се Македонци и тоа многу ме нервира...истотака и за Историјата на Македонија...Историјата на Македонија на англиската википедиа започнува од Националното Будење ...зарем не е ли мизерно тоа ??? Навситина тешко е да се превземе нешто бидејќи Грчкото и Бугарското лоби и пропаганда се многу силни, но имаме ли шанси да направиме нешто??? ПОЗЗЗ —Preceding unsigned comment added by 1111tomica (talk • contribs) 13:58, 15 May 2009 (UTC)

Careful

Can you revise your last posting at the arb case? Arb clerks are in block-anything-that-moves-if-it's-the-least-bit-impolite mood. Just a friendly recommendation. Fut.Perf. ☼ 15:33, 16 May 2009 (UTC)

Why does everyone focus so much on impoliteness and "incivility" rather than the actual problem? When the exact same "arguments"/"evidence"/"proposals" come up, in full, multiple times, from the same user or group of users, there is no plausible way for any response to be perfectly "polite", or considered 100% "civil". Perhaps even this comment here will get me a block... By the way you may want to add that guy with the single crimson boot to your list of editors turning away in exasperation. BalkanFever 15:52, 16 May 2009 (UTC)

йa дук тнэмьк но тад таб нед йа дув илбьборп иб тколб флесйам. Fut.Perf. ☼ 16:56, 16 May 2009 (UTC)

Hmm...Ти смис киал килирис лиув илаучневе лиевирп за ед юн нитиар гуов ни икиув he he he. За роф нитег тколб, иа тнедув ироув чам фи иа рев ю. Лоретфа, нау нак тег иева диув радръм зиедуан. Ти зуог диув туа ниес тад ед ифок ношиетивни зи литс но. За роф ю фиба, иа дув илдалг раъш a tzatziki (“not sasiki”) дув ю фи ю реве непах ут порд иаб. But seriously now, we ’ll definitely have to sit apart.--Giorgos Tzimas (talk) 09:56, 18 May 2009 (UTC)

Σαιταργ ιβιτ ωγα εμισσικιμα ρεπ μενωιτατιfνι δα μεδεφφοκ. Ας φωρ δη αδερ θιγγ, "συμινα τιδερ μυμηδ κγυν. ερεκατ μαυq ικισιfιλβο τεσσε ετατσετοπ αρτσον νι ματ ις συμησσιδιδρεπ εκωf μυκ μασπι ευqουq μαιρομεμ. Ετυτιfρες νι διυq, σον ατι, τεσσε ετατρεβιλ νι μυμιτλυ διυq τιδιf σατια συτεf τυκις τε μυτνεμυκοδ ιαιτνειταπ εδναργ ωτκεφορπ συμιδηδ." Fut.Perf. ☼ 10:18, 18 May 2009 (UTC)

Πληζ σι τζε. Μειμπε γιου σουντ μπρασ απ ον ιορ σιριλικ :) BalkanFever 10:52, 18 May 2009 (UTC)

Επορπ κνυον μυοταdναμ μυουοτ ινεβνι. Ογκε εβκοβκ ιμπιτ σαιταργκ οκγα εμιτπο εκιμα ορπ οσνοπσερ ουοτ ορεγγυοσ , ντεσ ιλον ικσιβιλμπο τνοβκ "ουδ ουιοπ συοριακ ουτ νιεγελ, η ιρεπ νω αθσιο σωφασ, η ιρεπ νω νοιακγανα νιεπιε. Νε σοιτουτ ραγ σοινομ ο σογολ στη σηγισ νωττιερκ, νε εδ σοιτ σοιλλα νονιεμα ναγισ η νιεγελ" Oh, and thanks for the tip fever. I' ll keep that in mind--Giorgos Tzimas (talk) 11:48, 18 May 2009 (UTC)

Banned

You are banned for 24 hours for this edit from all case pages related to Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/Macedonia 2. Rlevse was very clear in his warning that no further nonsense will be tolerated. There is no need to question or insinuate "that at least three of the most involved parties...didn't even know this was was the original dispute." As there are more than 1,000 kilobytes of text concerning the subject, and as this case has lasted weeks, the edit was disruptive, pointy, and only served to inflame the situation. The 24 ban starts at my signature time and ends 24 hours from then. KnightLago (talk) 15:35, 22 May 2009 (UTC)

Actually no, that was not my intention. Considering the very fact that the vast majority of that 1,000 kilobytes is actually focussing on ChrisO's move and the result, rather than the collective stonewallling, I felt it relevant to make the remark. Because if they didn't know in the first place, how could they "lose sight"? Shadowmorph cleared it up, he moved on. So did I. John Carter never responded. The only thing that inflamed the situation was SQRT. But of course your job is to protect the likes of him from everyone else's "incivility". Have fun with your circus. BalkanFever 05:35, 23 May 2009 (UTC)

Cool it, bro, cool it! That's the price we have to pay for encyclopaedicity. At least you're not "batshit crazy". You have to work years for that shit, and earn your Webeloes and shit. All we have to do now is wait for our betters to cast the judgment, yo. Aramgar (talk) 06:43, 23 May 2009 (UTC)

Ah, so that's how it be goin' down in this neckothewoodz. I'll chill ma pills for the allotted 24. Hopefully our betters will tear this shit up, nah mean? BalkanFever 06:55, 23 May 2009 (UTC)

F to tha Y to tha R of the mothafukkin' M, homeboy. Kafka Liz (talk) 07:23, 23 May 2009 (UTC)

Oh no you di-int! BalkanFever 07:32, 23 May 2009 (UTC)

Word. . Terrorist fist bump. Kafka Liz (talk) 05:36, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

Boo-ya! BalkanFever 09:43, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

Just to note that John Carter did respond in case you didn't notice, saying "you are clearly and obviously in error". After all John Carter was first called into Talk:Greece by Future Perfect back then and didn't appear only after. As for myself, I couldn't present evidence about Talk:Greece since I wasn't around and others more knowledgeable of that case covered it. Besides it is not anyone's fault that ChrisO's move overshadowed that case. Shadowmorph 07:41, 23 May 2009 (UTC)

Thanks, I didn't see that. I wonder if the last part of his comment is the type of insinuation and disruption that the arbs issue blocks for. BalkanFever 07:45, 23 May 2009 (UTC)

Meh

"Fauofpas"? The way you addressed me, I'll have to change my username again. FauЖ pas (☹) 18:43, 15 June 2009 (UTC)

Sorry, but that's the name that's least offensive to me. Srsly, try to compromise. BalkanFever 03:50, 16 June 2009 (UTC)

WP:Naming conventions (common names)#Do not overdo it

About this: I understand your point. However I just quoted the policy. The policy talks about any name and any group. It doesn't say that it is applicable only when a title is offending to the subject of the title. It says "one or more groups of people". I am not going to re-add for now, but what was that "long ago" thing referring to? Shadowmorph

Consider the quoted policy also speaks of "misleading" titles and disambiguation pages. I am going to add that part only. Shadowmorph 12:55, 16 June 2009 (UTC)

Back before your time, a legendary group of Greek nationalists used the argument that "Republic of Macedonia" is offensive to Greeks and therefore we should use "FYROM" instead. Don't remember if they cited that policy, but nobody took the argument seriously. Your edit just reminded me of that. BalkanFever 05:32, 17 June 2009 (UTC)

Suggestion

I'm not sure if this is very pertinent – it seems to presuppose acceptance of the claim that "f.Y...." in fact is the most commonly used name, which I guess is hardly the mainstream argument, is it? Fut.Perf. ☼ 16:07, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

On second thought, you're right. Would you allow me to quote the convenient parts of the phrase, like some of our friends have done in the past? :D BalkanFever 16:18, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

And you might want to see the section immediately above. They're not my words anyway... BalkanFever 16:19, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

If you don't mind, I'll rework it a bit. Just don't blame me afterwards for breaking some revert limitation or something ;-) Fut.Perf. ☼ 16:20, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

Go ahead :) BalkanFever 16:24, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

Peter Dobrev

Thank you for helping out with the spammer. VsevolodKrolikov (talk) 05:22, 22 June 2009 (UTC)

No problem. I'll be on the lookout in case he pops up again. BalkanFever 05:36, 22 June 2009 (UTC)

Civility in Macedonia centralized discussion

Please have a look at my request concerning your comment on the Macedonia centralized discussion. I hope you'll be able to respect my wishes. --Radjenef (talk) 12:22, 23 June 2009 (UTC)

Straight 'A's

Excuse me, I noticed that your "preferential voting" for Macedonia, seems to full of 'A's. It would have been 5 'A's if i haven't raised some reasonable shortcomings of one of the "A proposals" so that Future then subsequently added a "C proposal". Now since you are a declared ethnic Macedonian, one could claim a correlation exists between the ordering of the proposals and the preferences of the particular POV you align too. But I do believe its true that "correlation doesn't imply causation"; so this comment is just a herringόpita served with spagghetti and meatballs. Delicious :-) (i.e: ignore this comment). Shadowmorph

P.S. I would however appreciate it if you included at least a minimum amount of "second choices", you know, so that no one can say that you give the appearance of "stonewalling". Shadowmorph 12:19, 24 June 2009 (UTC)

:D. That was just initial. I see that I didn't actually say that anywhere, so it's my fault. I'm reading through each proposal more closely now to see what my second choices (if any) would be. About correlations, see who likes G... BalkanFever 12:28, 24 June 2009 (UTC)

Well GK1973 is straight 'B's so the joke's on me for the most of that :)

If you look closely you will see much difference of opinion among who you have been perceiving as a solid block. You may have also realized by now that I am a wiki-pragmatist; If we were voting on naming proposals to be discussed in the reality of the issue rather than wikiality (governed by the archons of wiki-methodocracy) ...you would expect my votes to be way different than the ones I presented now. :-) Shadowmorph 12:59, 24 June 2009 (UTC)

Nah don't worry I don't think I ever said the bloc was solid ;) What sets you apart is you can actually differentiate between reality and wiki-ality :) BalkanFever 13:03, 24 June 2009 (UTC)

(hey, did you check out my userpage recently?). I hope the Misplaced Pages community will get up and stop editing the page Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen for enough time to actually read and participate in the next phase. If all else is futile, raising awareness is a good thing. I want to see how this saga will continue. Shadowmorph 13:19, 24 June 2009 (UTC)

I, for one, would like Optimus Prime to contribute :P BalkanFever 13:32, 24 June 2009 (UTC)

Talk:Kosovo

Thanks Balkan, and don't worry about confusing us! There is no offence from me being taken in someone confusing me with Ev; he is a very good editor from what I've seen, and he generally does not get involved with the "heavy" content, he is more concerned with the style of the pages and keeping things non-POV. It might be more damaging to him if people confuse us, especially if I am condemned to the "Block" and he ends up getting it by mistake! :) But that won't happen.
My explanation - not being Ev - was directed mainly at Fairness, to whom my message was also aimed. He and Metrospex (possibly the same user?) are the ones currently creating controversy by trying to "raise the profile" of Noel Malcolm, a comedian who hides behind a "historian" facade. My own criticism is not towards ethnic Albanians, nor their politicians, but only the works of this author. Thanks for your words of encouragement, and well done on your own contributions acorss the site. Best wishes. Evlekis (talk) 14:52, 24 June 2009 (UTC)

Just to let you know that I have reported Interestedinfairness here. --Cinéma C 18:44, 8 July 2009 (UTC)

Thanks/děkuji/merci/hvala for the update :) BalkanFever 04:22, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

Civility

Don't please, thank you, and yes, I am sure there was some claim involved which you felt was ridiculous, and perhaps it was but it doesn't matter, and you know that. Prodego 03:16, 8 July 2009 (UTC)

Better I tell him that now. If he stops the personal attacks, I'll have no reason to attack him. BalkanFever 03:22, 8 July 2009 (UTC)

Помош

еј здраво ... ми треба твоја подршка за артиклот Macedonia Timeless. До сега немаше никаков проблем, но еден од корисниците на википедија нашол голема содржина на „ненеутралност“ според него и бе те замолил да ме подржиш на страницата за разоовор . пиши брзо и голем поззз. 1111tomica (talk) 22:34, 11 July 2009 (UTC)1111tomica1111tomica (talk) 22:34, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

Добро, ќе видам :) BalkanFever 02:30, 12 July 2009 (UTC)

еј не знам дали виде напишав на discussion page - от, но почетниот дел на Macedonia Timeless не е добар затоа што не се сите видеa во продукција на Сенка филм... те молам поправи ... Поззззз 1111tomica (talk) 14:26, 13 July 2009 (UTC)1111tomica1111tomica (talk) 14:26, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

Еве замена за врската со Сител кога станува збор за Macedonia Timeless Охрид ги најдов на МИА (http://www.mia.com.mk/default.aspx?vId=65890447&lId=1) ,а еве за Храмовите (http://www.mia.com.mk/default.aspx?vId=65619785&lId=1) а инакау мислам дека сепак композитор на песната е Кирил Џајковски и песната е Учи ме мајко карај ме. И фала ти за поправката на статијата. Би сакал да те прашам лош ми е англискиот??? Бидечќи скоро се што виде пред тоа беше напишано од моја страна :) !!! Aјде поззз 1111tomica (talk) 08:38, 14 July 2009 (UTC)1111tomica1111tomica (talk) 08:38, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

Political views on the Macedonian language

Please see this. Thank you. --124.169.185.195 (talk) 09:08, 12 July 2009 (UTC)

Was already looking at it, but thanks anyway. BalkanFever 09:31, 12 July 2009 (UTC)

Glagolitic Alphabet

Why exactly did you revert my edit? The Greek "Β" and Latin "V" are identical in sounds. Kostantino888Z (talk) 18:11, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

It has nothing to do with "sounds". It is about the origin of the Glagolitic letter. The source, The dawn of Slavic by A.M Schenker, says that the letter may have originated from Latin V, because of the similarities in shape. BalkanFever 03:23, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

Ah, sorry about that then :) Kostantino888Z (talk) 04:34, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

Not a problem. Have a nice day :) BalkanFever 04:54, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

Cyrillic Polish

Hey. I notice you also had an Cyrillic orthography for the Polish language. Mine's very similar to yours, save for a few details. I actually started it out about a year ago. You may remember I even requested a Misplaced Pages in Cyrillic Polish, but I was unfamiliar with the guidelines at the time. You can see for yourself and comment / compliment it, or give the advantages or the disadvantages. Click this link to visit my page on Cyrillic Polish! IlStudioso 09:46, 17 July 2009 (UTC)

That's a pretty good version I must say. I see how you've used only current letters as opposed to some of my deprecated ones, and how you go about other "problems" in orthography like nasals. Thanks for the link :) BalkanFever 04:16, 19 July 2009 (UTC)

Love the Polish Cyrillic idea! I created an Anglo-Cyrillic alphabet a few years ago, mainly for passing around secret codes in English. After seeing the success of Polsko-Cyrillic, I might as well post it, though it doesn't work as well as with Polish, since English is not Slavic and so the alphabet is purely phonetic. --Solkovskyj (talk) 17:28, 30 October 2009 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:WikiProject TRANSWIKI

You are invited to join WikiProject TRANSWIKI and join the Macedonian language transwiki project and French language transwiki project (to help you learn French!!). The aim is to draw up a full directory of missing articles from each[REDACTED] (and anywhere else) and build a team of translators to work at bridging the gaps in knowledge and to improve existing articles by translation. We need your help, your language skills are crucial! Also if you are interested in the Serbian, Croatian or Bosnian projects you might be interested in those too. If you know anybody who might be interested please pass the message on! Dr. Blofeld 16:21, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for the tip, Blofeld. I also realised that my French skills have greatly improved since when I put that template on my userpage :) Will definitely pass this on to some of the users more active at mk wiki.. BalkanFever 08:07, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

Welcome! I'll put your name down for the Macedonian work group anyway. Yes let as many people know, I'm sure many have shared interests to improve coverage of the Balkan countries in the english world so translators will be needed. Then there will be the freedom to request articles within the project sapce. The idea is that we go through categories on a different[REDACTED] and root out the missing articles.. Dr. Blofeld 08:18, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

Sounds good. BalkanFever 08:51, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

Pobrecito

If you are still around, you attention to the Bitola article would be appreciated. Thanks in many languages, Kafka Liz (talk) 23:50, 28 October 2009 (UTC)

Local Hero added a source so I guess anything more from Mr. Minority could be deleted as vandalism. I'll try keep an eye out, but I'm quite slow these days ;) BalkanFever 07:07, 29 October 2009 (UTC)

Friedrich Kellner

I just sent you an email, but in case it does not get through to you, I thought I should write to you here, as well. I am hoping you can help me with the Friedrich Kellner article, to translate it into Macedonian. I have a condensed version of the article that I can send to you (about 1500 words). Thank you, Scott 03:14, 14 December 2009 (UTC)Rskellner (talk)

Radmila Šekerinska

Is there any particular reason you placed the IPA stress for the penult rather than antepenult? --124.168.248.97 (talk) 10:40, 11 March 2010 (UTC)

To match the audio, which was recorded by a native speaker. BalkanFever 10:56, 11 March 2010 (UTC)

Free Rim Jobs!

What up? How are you? Beam 12:56, 6 July 2010 (UTC)

• Zdravey az sum nov tuk i moyat angliyski ne e mnogo silen.Moje li da mi pomognesh?razbirash li Turski?--Kamuran Ötükenli (talk) 12:53, 7 October 2010 (UTC)

What? Beam 04:05, 4 April 2011 (UTC)

Your feedback is requested

WikiProject Writing Systems is conducting a poll regarding its future goals, and we have identified you as a person with a vested interest in the future of that project. Whether you are a member of the WikiProject, a frequent contributor, or a passerby with an interest in the subject, we want your input as to the future emphasis that the Writing Systems project will take. Please take a moment to peruse the entries and add your comments where you have an opinion. You can visit the poll by clicking here, or on the project image, 書, on the right.

Solidarity with the Russian Misplaced Pages blackout

Hi. Excuse me for using your talkpage for something that is ongoing on the Macedonian Misplaced Pages, where we're collecting support from greater number of users as a solidarity reaction towards the Russian Misplaced Pages and their blackout today. You can express your support by signing your username on this page. Best regards.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 15:23, 10 July 2012 (UTC)

An article you worked on has been nominated for deletion

MG Services has been nomiated for deletion. If you would like to comment on the discussion, it is located at Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/MG Services ColtsScore (talk) 18:26, 19 October 2012 (UTC)

Czech Cyrillic

Do you have a Czech Cyrillic alphabet?

--Kyuzoaoi (talk) 17:35, 5 July 2013 (UTC)

Invitation to all Macedonian users to create an art. on Igor Janev on English Misplaced Pages

This is an invitation to all Macedonian users to create an art. on Igor Janev (at English Misplaced Pages), please see Talk Page http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=User_talk:Jimbo_Wales&diff=next&oldid=603995897

Furher see sources

http://mk.wikipedia.org/%D0%98%D0%B3%D0%BE%D1%80_%D0%88%D0%B0%D0%BD%D0%B5%D0%B2

http://ru.wikipedia.org/%D0%AF%D0%BD%D0%B5%D0%B2,_%D0%98%D0%B3%D0%BE%D1%80%D1%8C

He is professor in Macedonia , member of NYAS, he publ. 160 scholarly art., 17 books in Int. Law, Foreign policy and Diplomacy. He discovered the ULTRA VIRES act of UN in the process of admission of Macedonia in UN (published in AJIL, Vol.93. no 1.)--16:51, 11. april 2014 (CEST)

http://www.mia.mk/en/Inside/RenderSingleNews/289/105947751 or at MINA : http://macedoniaonline.eu/content/view/21668/45/ or http://www.makemigration.com/iselenistvoweb/index.php?page=iselenici&id=247&tip_iselenici=7

http://s241910817.onlinehome.us/html/articles/janev/janev.html

or http://www.mkd.mk/makedonija/politika/nekoj-go-brishe-igor-janev-od-vikipedija

or his contribution to US recognition of Macedonia under Republic of Macedonia

http://dobarglas.info/naslovna_v6.htm http://www.makedonskosonce.com/broevis/2008/sonce748.pdf/12_15_janev.pdf

Furthermore Macedonian media shocked on attempt to delete Janev from Misplaced Pages

http://www.time.mk/c/61e6ad16de/janev-postoi-praven-lek-za-imeto.html

http://www.makdenes.org/content/article/1956873.html

http://www.mkd.mk/54357/makedonija/se-ceka-na-potpisot-na-ivanov-rezolucija-janev-on

LEGAL ASPECTS OF THE USE OF A PROVISIONAL NAME FOR MACEDONIA IN THE UNITED NATIONS SYSTEM citation:

See : https://www.google.com/search?q=Igor+Janev&btnG=Search+Books&tbm=bks&tbo=1 http://macedonianhr.org.au/wip/images/stories/pdf/1252648063581.pdf see cit.http://www.etd.ceu.hu/2009/bajalski_borko.pdf

http://sam.gov.tr/on-the-uns-legal-responsibility-for-the-irregular-admission-of-macedonia-to-un/

http://www.sar.org.ro/polsci/?p=264

http://www.makedonskosonce.com/broevis/2008/sonce713.pdf/16_17_janev.pdf

http://www.crpm.org.mk/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/Policy-Brief-NatoMak.pdf

http://denesen.mk/web/2013/08/31/janev-postoi-praven-lek-za-imeto/

ULTRA VIRES act of UN organs is relevant, see http://www.mkd.mk/makedonija/politika/nekoj-go-brishe-igor-janev-od-vikipedija http://osaka.law.miami.edu/~froomkin/articles/ccTLDs-TM.pdf , When we say US, p. 845, note 28. G. Ivanov, "Recalling that the International Court of Justice 1948 advisory opinion had determined that placing additional criteria on United Nations membership contravened the United Nations Charter", http://gadebate.un.org/67/former-yugoslav-republic-macedonia Thomas D. Grant, Admission to the United Nations, Martinus pub. , pp. 203-212 http://books.google.rs/books?id=5Uuv0NLNdZQC&pg=PA322&lpg=PA322&dq=Igor+Janev+Admission+to+the&source=bl&ots=6DgOwcDxtS&sig=4DlZpp7DCtAOeeMqhjvN0QviEl0&hl=sr&sa=X&ei=GERKU9ivOsXOtQaD9oGIDA&ved=0CFkQ6AEwBA#v=onepage&q=Igor%20Janev%20Admission%20to%20the&f=false

Regards to all! -178.222.22.90 (talk) 07:13, 15 April 2014 (UTC)

Invitation to all mac. users to create an art. on Igor Janev on Eng. Misplaced Pages

Invitation to all mac. users to create an art. on Igor Janev, please see http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=User_talk:Jimbo_Wales&diff=next&oldid=603995897

Furher see sources

http://mk.wikipedia.org/%D0%98%D0%B3%D0%BE%D1%80_%D0%88%D0%B0%D0%BD%D0%B5%D0%B2

http://ru.wikipedia.org/%D0%AF%D0%BD%D0%B5%D0%B2,_%D0%98%D0%B3%D0%BE%D1%80%D1%8C

He is famous Univ. professor in Macedonia , member of NYAS, he publ. 160 scholarly art., 17 books in Int. Law, Foreign policy and Diplomacy. He discovered the ULTRA VIRES act of UN in the process of admission of Macedonia in UN (published in AJIL, Vol.93. no 1.)--16:51, 11. april 2014 (CEST)

http://www.mia.mk/en/Inside/RenderSingleNews/289/105947751 or at MINA : http://macedoniaonline.eu/content/view/21668/45/ or http://www.makemigration.com/iselenistvoweb/index.php?page=iselenici&id=247&tip_iselenici=7

http://s241910817.onlinehome.us/html/articles/janev/janev.html

or http://www.mkd.mk/makedonija/politika/nekoj-go-brishe-igor-janev-od-vikipedija

or his contribution to US recognition of Macedonia under Republic of Macedonia

http://dobarglas.info/naslovna_v6.htm http://www.makedonskosonce.com/broevis/2008/sonce748.pdf/12_15_janev.pdf

Furthermore Macedonian media shocked on attempt to delete Janev from Misplaced Pages

http://www.time.mk/c/61e6ad16de/janev-postoi-praven-lek-za-imeto.html

http://www.makdenes.org/content/article/1956873.html

http://www.mkd.mk/54357/makedonija/se-ceka-na-potpisot-na-ivanov-rezolucija-janev-on

LEGAL ASPECTS OF THE USE OF A PROVISIONAL NAME FOR MACEDONIA IN THE UNITED NATIONS SYSTEM citation:

See : https://www.google.com/search?q=Igor+Janev&btnG=Search+Books&tbm=bks&tbo=1 http://macedonianhr.org.au/wip/images/stories/pdf/1252648063581.pdf see cit.http://www.etd.ceu.hu/2009/bajalski_borko.pdf

http://sam.gov.tr/on-the-uns-legal-responsibility-for-the-irregular-admission-of-macedonia-to-un/

http://www.sar.org.ro/polsci/?p=264

http://www.makedonskosonce.com/broevis/2008/sonce713.pdf/16_17_janev.pdf

http://www.crpm.org.mk/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/Policy-Brief-NatoMak.pdf

http://denesen.mk/web/2013/08/31/janev-postoi-praven-lek-za-imeto/

ULTRA VIRES act of UN organs is relevant http://www.mkd.mk/makedonija/politika/nekoj-go-brishe-igor-janev-od-vikipedija http://osaka.law.miami.edu/~froomkin/articles/ccTLDs-TM.pdf , When we say US, p. 845, note 28. G. Ivanov, "Recalling that the International Court of Justice 1948 advisory opinion had determined that placing additional criteria on United Nations membership contravened the United Nations Charter", http://gadebate.un.org/67/former-yugoslav-republic-macedonia Thomas D. Grant, Admission to the United Nations, Martinus pub. , pp. 203-212 http://books.google.rs/books?id=5Uuv0NLNdZQC&pg=PA322&lpg=PA322&dq=Igor+Janev+Admission+to+the&source=bl&ots=6DgOwcDxtS&sig=4DlZpp7DCtAOeeMqhjvN0QviEl0&hl=sr&sa=X&ei=GERKU9ivOsXOtQaD9oGIDA&ved=0CFkQ6AEwBA#v=onepage&q=Igor%20Janev%20Admission%20to%20the&f=false

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Hello how do you know Aromanian ? Are you of ancestry or just an interest ? Kp4816 (talk) 15:05, 12 March 2017 (UTC)

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Polish Cyrillic Alphabet

In your 'Letters that represent different phonemes' section of one of your wikipages User:BalkanFever/Polish Cyrillic Alphabet, you write 'Ӂ ӂ - Represented /dʒ/ in Moldovan but represents /ʑ/ here. Џ џ was already used to represent /dʒ/ and there was no Cyrillic letter representing /ʑ/ (separately from /ʒ/ or /ʐ/). The phoneme /ʑ/ is similar to the phoneme /ʐ/ and so this is reflected here: Ӂ ӂ is similar to Ж ж.' Specifically, 'there was no Cyrillic letter representing /ʑ/' of which there is, except the fact it's only used in one language: Montengrin and I can understand why you might not have known it existed as I did. And this is what it looks like, it is Ze with an acute: З́ з́. This letter is slavic instead of the Zhe with a breve used in Gagauz and Moldovan Cyrillic. Just wanted you to know.

--Wolfeschlegelsteinhausenbergerdorff (talk) 15:33, 8 July 2020 (UTC)Wolfeschlegelsteinhausenbergerdorff