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== The article is not internally-consistent ==
I would like to announce the establishment of the ]. Anyone with an interest in the Caribbean is welcome to join in. ] 1 July 2005 13:37 (UTC)


Information across various components of the articles appear to contradict each other somewhat, or provide somewhat different information:
==Administrative Districts==
There appears to be a disconnect between the text description of the administrative districts, and the provided map. Someone with the knowledge to correct the ambiguities ought to take a look at it. ] 17:22, 19 August 2007 (UTC)
==Infobox==


<blockquote>Legend has it that ] rewarded the island with a promise never to introduce taxes as compensation for their generosity, as one of the ships carried a member of the King's own family. While this remains a popular legend, the story is not true.</blockquote>
Is there a special reason why this article uses {{tl|Infobox Countries mk. II}} and not {{tl|Infobox Country}}? We're currently standardizing all country articles to use the latter, but I want to clarify first whether there's a special reason for the anomaly. Cheers! ] ] ] 09:49, 6 December 2005 (UTC)


Compared to:
== Proposed WikiProject ==


<blockquote>The legend behind the lack of taxation comes from the ], when a British prince was supposedly involved in a shipwreck off the north coast of Grand Cayman. Luckily, a local spotted the shipwreck and swam to his aid, rescuing the Prince and his crew. Since that day the Prince declared that in gratitude for the help he received, the citizens of the country of the Cayman Islands would never pay tax. There is, however, no documented evidence for this story, nor even that a British prince was involved in the shipwreck.</blockquote>
There is now a proposed WikiProject for the Caribbean area, including the Cayman Islands, at ]. Interested parties should add their names there so we can determine if there is enough interest to start such a project in earnest. Thank you for your attention. ] 16:55, 13 December 2006 (UTC)


== Financial services == == Accuracy ==


Is Bermuda or The Cayman Islands the most populous British Overseas Territory? This page seems to contradict the claims of the “Bermuda” Wiki page. ] (]) 09:22, 2 April 2022 (UTC)
The financial services section needs to talk about the negative aspects and views toward the Cayman Islands role in offshore banking. <small>—The preceding ] comment was added by ] (] • ]) 22:08, 3 January 2007 (UTC).</small><!-- HagermanBot Auto-Unsigned -->


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Someone made an unsigned comment stating that this section was "propaganda". Who was it? I can assure that I, as the author of what you call the "propaganda", have no stake in the Cayman Islands. I found all these quotes in trying to research if Cayman Islands was a safe place for privacy in banking/investing. There is something from every point of view that I could find. I was hoping more people would discuss and bring about truth. If there is anything that you would consider *slant*, it is that I would rather bring forth conspiracy theories when there is nothing to worry about, than not bring anything out when there is something to worry about. You may suggest that the 'financial services' section does not sound traditionally encyclopedic, but I disagree. When the truth is not known, as many of available sources and clues speak the truth so much more so than one person's review. The only way to clean up, is to resolve the issue by finding a truth that all parties will accept.
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You can see the reasons for deletion at the file description pages linked above. —] (]) 08:52, 26 June 2022 (UTC)


== "...those with permanent residency, which is a pathway to gaining status." ==
My own experience and opinion: Cayman National no longer has autonomy (never had autonomy?) in serving its clients. They are under the control of the British government, the IMF, the World Bank, etc. They seek as much information as possible from individuals applying in the tradition of "know your client". Someone out there is building a very big database of information about individuals. A distopia in the making. Guard your privacy. Do everything you can to avoid revealing information about yourself. Someday it could come back to haunt you.--] (]) 05:33, 1 July 2008 (UTC)


What status? ] (]) 20:48, 14 March 2023 (UTC)
== Government ==


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The second half of the paragraph dealing with the Eurobank collapse needs cleaning up.
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Participate in the deletion discussion at the ]. —] (]) 14:48, 23 March 2023 (UTC)


== Rollback of potential ] by possible ] ==
<blockquote>"The only mole known at the time was allowed to leave the country, never to answer for what he (or the United Kingdom) had done."</blockquote>


I have reverted the insertion of ], ] and ] by blocked IP user as likely ]. Similar changes were made by this user to several related pages: ], ], ], ], ], ], ], ], ], ], and others.
What had he done? Why is the UK accused? Why "never"? Why should someone not be allowed to leave the island? This sentence is a little "tabloid".


Having compared the diffs to see if there was anything worth keeping, I have manually restored anything with RSes or which improved prose (if there was anything). Most changes were poorly sourced and added significant bias into the article, or simply removed existing information for no policy-based reason.
<blockquote>"This infuriated the elected members of the legislative assembly as they maintained that the governor and the United Kingdom had put into question Cayman's reputation as a tightly regulated offshore jurisdiction. Some saw this as the United Kingdom meddling in the territory's affairs to benefit itself (and the EU), at the expense of the islands' economy."</blockquote>


For transparency, I will post this on all affected pages. ] (]) 18:01, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
Which members of the legislative assembly? What were their arguments? What happened to the governor? Who says this is the UK meddling? Unless these remarks are properly attributed, this part of the article fails to maintain a NPOV.


== Notable Caymanians ==
] 14:43, 14 September 2007 (UTC)


This list was removed as unsourced. However, each person has a WP page, as per the guidance for the list, so they are, by definition, notable. I don't think it's needed to establish their individual notability in the list when their articles already (in theory) do that.


I'm not averse to removing the list because of policy, as I'm indifferent to these lists of "Notable " anyway, but thought it worth adding to the discussion for those who feel differently.
== Belieze? ==


For the purposes of preserving what was there, the list is currently given in its entirety below:
What's this about the islands serving as a base for Belieze? ] 05:54, 18 May 2007 (UTC)


'''Notable Caymanians'''
== Eye care on the Cayman Islands ==
<br />
-At the national level, prime ministers etc are <nowiki>''</nowiki>not<nowiki>''</nowiki> notable because everyone has them. Okay further down the list (Island/Department). ALPHABETICAL ORDER A WIKIPEDIA ARTICLE MUST EXIST FOR EACH LIST ENTRY:-
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* ] OBE (born 1945), politician
* ] MBE (1914–2003), folk painter
* ], JP (born 1955), politician
* ] OBE, JP (1920–2008), politician and attorney
* ] (born 1955), businessman, owns ].
* ] (born 1983), fashion model
* ] (born 1979), filmmaker, director and screenwriter
* ] MBE (1913–2006), community volunteer
* ] (born 1995), multidisciplinary artist
* ] OBE (1941–2006), politician
* ] KCMG MBE KC JP (born 1961), politician, former Premier of the Cayman Islands
* ] MBE, JP (1928–2022), First Speaker of the House
* ] OBE (1942–2013), politician and Speaker of the House
* ] (born ca.1950), aka ''The Barefoot Man'', entertainer and songwriter
* ] (1916–2007), sculptor and jeweller
* ] OBE, JP (born 1951), attorney and bank director
* ] (1886–1968), musician, educator and composer of "]"
* ] OBE (born 1954), politician
* ] (born 1964), football executive indicted for corruption
* ] (1900–1978), nurse and politician
* ] (1899–1996), pioneering nurse and midwife
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'''Sport'''
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* ] (born 1985), Olympic track athlete
* ] (born 1989), Olympic competition swimmer
* ] (born 1988), Olympic swimmer and attorney
* ] (born 1993), footballer<ref />
* ] (born 1989), Olympic sprinter
* ] (born 1969), gold medalist in Olympic skeet shooting<ref />
* ] (born 1978), former Olympic sprinter
* ] (born 2002), Olympic artistic gymnast
* ] (born 1992), Caribbean junior squash champion
* ] (born 1973), Olympic long-jumper
* ] (born 1987), Olympic alpine skier, rugby union player and entrepreneur
] (]) 07:46, 19 September 2024 (UTC)


:My practice is to leave "notable residents" in a list if either the person's article connects them in a substantial manner to the place the article is about, or there is an citation to a reliable source making such connection. How substantial the connection needs to be is subject to discussion. ] 14:53, 19 September 2024 (UTC)
This statement here:
::That makes sense to me. Thank you. When I get chance, I'll click through the list and if it's warranted, re-add it. I suspect someone just had a grudge against these kinds of lists. ] (]) 15:49, 19 September 2024 (UTC)

:::There is a certain amount of boosterism in such lists, and some editors are more opposed to boosterism than others. I doubt you will see it for the islands, but I have seen arguments over whether someone should be listed as a "notable resident" of a city when they actually lived just outside the city limits, or whether attending a school in a city qualifies for "notable resident" when the person lived in another municipality. ] 16:03, 19 September 2024 (UTC)
<blockquote>"There remains an urgent need for retinal surgery on the islands. Currently, residents with severe diabetic eye conditions or retinal detachments become blind, unless they have the financial means to seek prompt care on the mainland."</blockquote>

is a matter of opinion, and, as such, does not belong in an encyclopedia. However, it could be tied to statistical reports or news stories about this issue in the Cayman Islands, and inserted in this, or possibly more properly an article on the need for expanding medical services to residents of the Cayman Islands. Thanks. ] 21:55, 6 August 2007 (UTC)

== Image:Seven Mile Beach 2006.jpg ==

Is there any way we could replace this image with something more professional looking? This panorama has obvious stitching errors and differences in exposure that make it look like a holiday snap rather than something that belongs in an encyclopedia. ] 23:30, 26 August 2007 (UTC)

== Article tone; financial services industry ==

Why has offshore financial centre been replaced with tax haven across the article? Why is there a sentence claiming the local population lives in poverty? Offshore financial centre is the correct term in common use and includes things such as hedge funds and company and ship registries that have nothing whatsoever to do with being a "tax haven." At best if that word is to be included here it should be in the context of "some have said the Cayman Islands are a tax haven" and should be counterpointed. Where offshore financial centre was previously used it was in the context of saying we were one such leading centre with a neutral or positive feel (there are others, and we are among the best, so it is fair to say so) but tax haven shifts the article to a distinctly political mainland view; I would not be surprised if an Obama campaign staffer wrote it. I will admit to a bias of my own here but all I ask is to have a balanced view on here. Put a reasonable selection of criticism and response and while we're at it, the long list of onshore regulators, inter and non-governmental organisations and international bodies that have said we are equally diligent or better than OECD countries. ] (]) 09:49, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

Aha! I just noticed your entry. I agree with your points, but what do you want to do with all the information about the Cayman Islands as a supposed Tax Haven? Ignore it or use it? If you want to counterpoint CI as a tax haven, then provide some facts and references! Please, I'd love it! By the way, I'm very ignorant when it comes to Obama. How's that for your ignorance? <-joke --] (]) 06:10, 1 July 2008 (UTC)

==Regarding laws and homosexuality==
The following passage has been re-added several times, despite explanations that parts of it violate ] and are false, when compared to the source used for the article:

:''Gay and Lesbian tourists should avoid the Cayman Islands because of both the local culture and the fact that certain laws and customs are still in effect from British Colonial rule. Homosexuality is illegal in the Cayman Islands, and gay men and lesbians will be jailed and expelled from the Cayman Islands if caught.''

The cite, however, makes clear that homosexuality is not illegal in the Caymans, though there is a tradition of homophobia and a documented incident of an American tourist briefly detained for a public show of affection . The cited source makes no mention of likelihood of imprisonment or expulsion. Nor is the exhortation to avoid the Caymans acceptable in an encyclopedia. Further reversions and addition of spurious information may be considered vandalism, and will merit administrators' attention. ] (]) 01:02, 20 July 2008 (UTC)
:And they have such attention now. Such language as is quoted above is in no way acceptable in wikipedia. I have this page on my watch list now and will ensure that this article, which is now at a high level, will not be damaged by the addition of such prejudicial, dubiously sourced remarks. ] (]) 23:59, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

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The article is not internally-consistent

Information across various components of the articles appear to contradict each other somewhat, or provide somewhat different information:

Legend has it that King George III rewarded the island with a promise never to introduce taxes as compensation for their generosity, as one of the ships carried a member of the King's own family. While this remains a popular legend, the story is not true.

Compared to:

The legend behind the lack of taxation comes from the Wreck of the Ten Sail, when a British prince was supposedly involved in a shipwreck off the north coast of Grand Cayman. Luckily, a local spotted the shipwreck and swam to his aid, rescuing the Prince and his crew. Since that day the Prince declared that in gratitude for the help he received, the citizens of the country of the Cayman Islands would never pay tax. There is, however, no documented evidence for this story, nor even that a British prince was involved in the shipwreck.

Accuracy

Is Bermuda or The Cayman Islands the most populous British Overseas Territory? This page seems to contradict the claims of the “Bermuda” Wiki page. 2600:1700:100:C120:F46F:7960:B8C7:4C6A (talk) 09:22, 2 April 2022 (UTC)

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"...those with permanent residency, which is a pathway to gaining status."

What status? Barefoot through the chollas (talk) 20:48, 14 March 2023 (UTC)

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Rollback of potential WP:TE by possible WP:SPA

I have reverted the insertion of WP:UNDUE, WP:BIAS and WP:TE by blocked IP user as likely WP:SPA. Similar changes were made by this user to several related pages: Afro-Caribbeans, Afro-Jamaicans, Bermuda, Cayman Islands, Coromantee, Mixed-race Caymanians, Slave rebellion, Tacky's Rebellion, Turks & Caicos Creole, Turks & Caicos, and others.

Having compared the diffs to see if there was anything worth keeping, I have manually restored anything with RSes or which improved prose (if there was anything). Most changes were poorly sourced and added significant bias into the article, or simply removed existing information for no policy-based reason.

For transparency, I will post this on all affected pages. Lewisguile (talk) 18:01, 17 September 2024 (UTC)

Notable Caymanians

This list was removed as unsourced. However, each person has a WP page, as per the guidance for the list, so they are, by definition, notable. I don't think it's needed to establish their individual notability in the list when their articles already (in theory) do that.

I'm not averse to removing the list because of policy, as I'm indifferent to these lists of "Notable " anyway, but thought it worth adding to the discussion for those who feel differently.

For the purposes of preserving what was there, the list is currently given in its entirety below:

Notable Caymanians
-At the national level, prime ministers etc are ''not'' notable because everyone has them. Okay further down the list (Island/Department). ALPHABETICAL ORDER A WIKIPEDIA ARTICLE MUST EXIST FOR EACH LIST ENTRY:-


Sport

Lewisguile (talk) 07:46, 19 September 2024 (UTC)

My practice is to leave "notable residents" in a list if either the person's article connects them in a substantial manner to the place the article is about, or there is an citation to a reliable source making such connection. How substantial the connection needs to be is subject to discussion. Donald Albury 14:53, 19 September 2024 (UTC)
That makes sense to me. Thank you. When I get chance, I'll click through the list and if it's warranted, re-add it. I suspect someone just had a grudge against these kinds of lists. Lewisguile (talk) 15:49, 19 September 2024 (UTC)
There is a certain amount of boosterism in such lists, and some editors are more opposed to boosterism than others. I doubt you will see it for the islands, but I have seen arguments over whether someone should be listed as a "notable resident" of a city when they actually lived just outside the city limits, or whether attending a school in a city qualifies for "notable resident" when the person lived in another municipality. Donald Albury 16:03, 19 September 2024 (UTC)
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