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== National Textiles == |
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== Graduation == |
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I'm surprised that Howard's bailing out of hi brother's company is not mentioned. I think it is notable enough. IIRC< it was quite a big topic at the time. ''']''' ('']'') 07:20, 25 July 2008 (UTC) |
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*I recall also that it was a big issue - lots of sources too --] <sup>]</sup> 07:25, 25 July 2008 (UTC) |
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:::Add it, Blnguyen. --''']''' 08:12, 25 July 2008 (UTC) |
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:*] --] <sup>]</sup> 06:52, 28 July 2008 (UTC) |
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==Talk of war crimes== |
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] (]) 04:04, 28 July 2008 (UTC)I don't understand why there is no mention of the potential for John Howard to be charged as a War Criminal in view of his illegal invasion of Iraq, a soverign state] (]) 04:04, 28 July 2008 (UTC) |
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:I guess the reason that such speculation is not in the article is because John Howard was never charged with such an offence, and nobody seems to be likely to charge him. For any article, we can't speculate about court trials when the person hasn't yet been charged. I think some people in Europe once moved to charge Donald Rumsfeld with warcrimes, which never succeeded. There was a newspaper article about the likelyhood of warcrimes charges against Howard - I think it may have been the Sydney Morning Herald - which basically said that the next government (ie Rudd) would have to move to charge him, and the standing protocol is that governments don't try to charge leaders of the previous government. Does that answer your question?--''']''' 05:47, 28 July 2008 (UTC) |
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::I don't think we were meant to take that seriously... and even if we were, it's all ] and ] anyway and would be very lacking in ]. ] (]) 06:03, 28 July 2008 (UTC) |
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:::Yep and this is ] exception material require exceptional sources. ]] 06:09, 28 July 2008 (UTC) |
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The ''year of graduation'' is conventionally defined as the year in which the degree was conferred, not ''final year'', hence '''1962''' for John Howard, not 1961. ] and ] graduated in the same year at Sydney Law School. See also https://www.hcourt.gov.au/assets/publications/speeches/former-justices/kirbyj/kirbyj_gleessu.htm. NB: Southern Hemisphere academic years tend to end in December. ] (]) 9:40, 1 October 2021 (UTC) |
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* There are definitely reliable sources to support the speculation see . In particular ; --] <sup>]</sup> 06:19, 28 July 2008 (UTC) |
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::Yes, a Sydney Morning Herald search also comes out with oodles of stuff. Apart from Mahathir Mohamad of Malaysia (mentioned above), is another who called for Howard to be tried.--''']''' 06:37, 28 July 2008 (UTC) |
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::Reliable sources to support the speculation eh? Indeed :) ] (]) 07:22, 28 July 2008 (UTC) |
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== Brothers == |
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It was already mentioned in ]. That split has created a horrible mess. ] (]) 08:47, 28 July 2008 (UTC) |
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*This is personal to Howard--] <sup>]</sup> 09:11, 28 July 2008 (UTC) |
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His brothers were Walter Lyall (1926-2019), Stanley Joseph (1930-2014) and Robert Falconer (1936). |
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I think this should definitely be included! At the moment, it is worded carefully enough to satisfy the cautionary conditions of a BLP. But I think it goes without saying we should continue to be very careful with the wording and references of this addition --<b>]</b> <small>(] ])</small> 10:08, 28 July 2008 (UTC) |
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Stanley's death notice is at https://tributes.smh.com.au/obituaries/109646/stanley-howard/ and Walter's is at https://tributes.smh.com.au/obituaries/126958/walter-lyall-howard/. |
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I don't know how to get better sources but the current information (listing Stanley as older than Walter) is unsourced and wrong. <!-- Template:Unsigned IP --><small class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 14:48, 20 June 2022 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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Calling for war crimes charges is one thing. Being called to answer charges another. If that were to happen, it would certainly be worthy of inclusion, but so far it's just speculation and slander by Howard's political enemies. including those here, judging by that . No involvement by any official body. I'm removing this under ]. --] (]) 10:54, 28 July 2008 (UTC) |
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: As rarely as you'll get me and Pete to agree, this is one of those times. ] 11:00, 28 July 2008 (UTC) |
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:: Same, per above. And Pete, ]. ] (]) 11:03, 28 July 2008 (UTC) |
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:: Agreed. Should not be included. ] (]) 12:10, 28 July 2008 (UTC) |
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:::I see the code of conduct has returned to Howard related articles. There is considerable eminent legal opinion published by multiple reliable sources suggesting that Howard's strategy in Iraq violated international law. I have not seen a reasonable justification for it's deletion from the article. -0''']''' 12:23, 28 July 2008 (UTC) |
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::::See ]. There is nothing official. It's just allegations by Howard's political enemies. If charges eventuate, we should include it. --] (]) 12:34, 28 July 2008 (UTC) |
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Can This image be used as the main one on the John Howard wikipedia page?--Celco85] (]) 11:41, 29 July 2024 (UTC) |
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::::Since when was it Howard's strategy and not Bush/the US? ] (]) 13:05, 28 July 2008 (UTC) |
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I don't know how to get better sources but the current information (listing Stanley as older than Walter) is unsourced and wrong. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.169.142.82 (talk) 14:48, 20 June 2022 (UTC)
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