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| == Moved discussion == | |||
| Questions and answers, after a period of inactivity, will be moved to other relevant sections of the[REDACTED] (such as the FAQ pages), placed in the ] (if it is of general interest), or deleted (if it has no long-term value). | |||
| *January 30 | |||
| **Help I cant see international fonts? --> ] | |||
| **Inland Empire in California ''moved to ]'' | |||
| **Misplaced Pages's Tipping Point ''Moved to ] in hopes of refactoring into an interesting page. --] 07:33, 30 Jan 2004 (UTC)'' | |||
| **Is this common? ''Moved to ]'' | |||
| **Dynamo --> ] | |||
| **how tall --> ] | |||
| *February 4 | |||
| **OpenOffice Software Documentation --> ] | |||
| **Sweden's Deaf Schools ''moved to'' ] | |||
| **animated gif --> ] | |||
| **orphaned redirects --> ] | |||
| **US national archives photos - public domain? -->] | |||
| **Suggestion: faculty rooms -->] | |||
| **How to use new Extended Image Syntax -->] | |||
| **] vs Fanya Kaplan --> ] | |||
| **Mistake on sitewide redirect page --> fixed (User:Brion VIBBER|Brion]]) | |||
| **Minor mention of Misplaced Pages on Yahoo --> ] | |||
| **Title of your page --> ] | |||
| **Searching (bugs) --> fixed | |||
| **RC bug? --> fixed | |||
| **Stealth Vandalism of ] --> ] | |||
| **Interwiki link problem (ku:) --> fixed | |||
| **Overlinking to overly-broad terms? --> ] | |||
| **Articles on Business Entities -->] | |||
| **Feature request --> ]. Do not raise bug reports or suggest features here. | |||
| **small photos and big photos --> ] | |||
| **Copyright 2000 - 2004 © European Space Agency --> ] | |||
| **So, which one, exactly, was article 200,000? --> ] | |||
| **Vandalism and anonymous editors --> ] | |||
| **Perhaps Vandalism? --> ] | |||
| *February 5 | |||
| **VP text not appearing, Bugs?, Server change to http handling?, Deleted pages reappearing (solved), Page moves, Bizarre occurrence with Misplaced Pages cookies?, Zero Sized Reply --> ] | |||
| See the ] for older moved discussion links. For the most recent moved discussion see ] | |||
| ==Requests for help and comments== | |||
| #Daniel's ] still needs your help with fixing thousands of broken links | |||
| #] and ] urge you to vote at ] | |||
| #] invites you to discuss expanding the focus of the Sep11Wiki at ] | |||
| #] suggests every American Wikipedian visits ] and contributes a short biography of their local Congress-person (see also ) | |||
| #] requests comments on the ] | |||
| #] asks for your help in expanding the ] | |||
| #] wants help with the ]. | |||
| #] has started ]. | |||
| #Use <nowiki>{{msg:inuse}}</nowiki> to avoid edit conflicts. See ] | |||
| #] requests feedback and comments on the changes to the ] | |||
| #] wants help with the ]. Those of us actively working on this are getting close to consensus on a ], please weigh in soon if you might disagree. | |||
| #] asks for comments and criticisms regarding ] and ]. | |||
| # ] invites all math geeks to ] what articles should be written as we move towards 1.0 | |||
| #Feature plug: ] is running an] bot at #enrc.wikipedia that displays ]. (French and German bots at #derc.wikipedia and #frrc.wikipedia). See ] for more. | |||
| #] notes that many need people who enjoy editing | |||
| ==Stats page is empty== | |||
| The page displays an empty apache page (since Jan. 28th at least)... Maybe because of recent server problems? Why not insert some dummy page? | |||
| Moreover, the display of the empty directory is bad from a security point of view: directory listings should be disabled in Apache's httpd.conf. | |||
| ] 20:35, 30 Jan 2004 (UTC) | |||
| ==Reading level?== | |||
| Has there been a discussion about the target reading level that we are aiming for? I see a wide range in the articles. I've watched many articles start out understandable by a layman but end up so qualified and academic that only a scholar already in the field can make sense of it. ] 21:51, 30 Jan 2004 (UTC) | |||
| :Continued at ] | |||
| == Unable to access article: Transvaal == | |||
| When I try to get to the article on Transvaal, it gives a blank page. Same thing happened yesterday... | |||
| The page is still in Google's archive though. | |||
| :I can access ] ("The Transvaal was one of the provinces of South Africa"). Earlier I had a problem where one page (and only one) kept appearing without the left hand menu and the bottom of the screen menu, so there was no "edit this" link (which is what I was trying to do). It sorted itself out after a while. I think the pedia might be a bit glitchy today. ] | ] 03:02, 31 Jan 2004 (UTC) | |||
| == Harry Potter Madness == | |||
| Earlier I removed the synopsis of the Harry Potter series from ] to ] in order to remove the spoilers from the main article. | |||
| Discussion moved to ] | |||
| == Village pump is overpopulated == | |||
| See the ''Village pump is overpopulated section'' in ] or click here: for a discussion on how to keep VP small and usable. ] 18:19, 31 Jan 2004 (UTC) | |||
| ==Table markup== | |||
| Could someone please check the table on ]? I'm trying to switch from using HTML to the wiki code and am not sure I've got the hang of it yet. Thanks -- ] 12:40, 1 Feb 2004 (UTC) | |||
| :An easy way to check the table is to look at the HTML source of the page. You may even fix it there and place the result back into Misplaced Pages. -- User:Docu | |||
| ==Article count== | |||
| For an article count updated rougly every 5-15 seconds, see #enrc.wikipedia on irc.freenode.net -- ] 14:49, Feb 1, 2004 (UTC) | |||
| :Clarification: ] ]. ] 14:57, 1 Feb 2004 (UTC) | |||
| ==Suggesting standard table for rocks/minerals == | |||
| Discussion moved to ] | |||
| ==IP address?== | |||
| I was wondering ... if I look up "wikipedia.org" IP @ ... I get 130.94.122.199 ... but when I navigate to 130.94.122.199 I get the followin msg "''Note that the address for www.wikipedia.org should be 130.94.122.199. This server is 130.94.122.197''" ... could anyone tell me what the problem is? Sincerely, ] | |||
| :You're not supposed to use IP to navigate here. .199 is where www.wikipedia.org as well as wikipedia.org are hosted, and that server redirects any requests for www.wikipedia.org or wikipedia.org to en.wikipedia.org at .197. You should only arrive at .199 when you request en2.wikipedia.org or are redirected there by the pedia itself. Thus, no problem. ]] 23:38, 1 Feb 2004 (UTC) | |||
| ==Scarce information about small cities== | |||
| Apologies if this isn't the correct place to ask, but I have a question about the entries for towns and cities. I have looked at dozens of small towns and cities and it seems that all have nothing more than the type of information that is available in an almanac. Is this intentional or simply because no one has added other things? As for example history of the area, current conditions, etc. | |||
| : This is not intentional. Any additional information is welcome. ] 01:04, 2 Feb 2004 (UTC) | |||
| :The basic information has been automatically (and contraversially) added from another source, with the intention of being fleshed out by anyone who is able. See the ] for details. - ] 01:09, 2 Feb 2004 (UTC) | |||
| == New Features == | |||
| I DO love the new features in this vision of new wiki. it's fantastic! --] (])] 01:30, Feb 2, 2004 (UTC) | |||
| ::What new features? ] 01:34, 2 Feb 2004 (UTC) | |||
| :::Oh my, the toolbar above the edit box disappears! :O --] (])] 01:43, Feb 2, 2004 (UTC) | |||
| :::You can turn it back on in your preferences, click "show edit toolbar". Whether it should be on by default is controversial. -- ] 04:02, Feb 2, 2004 (UTC) | |||
| ==Image position== | |||
| There is now acres of white space next to the picture at the top of this page (at least on my not-excessively-high-res screen). | |||
| ::::Oddly, it seems I have to hard refresh every time I come to this page to get the correct layout. i.e. I load the page, get whitespace, hard refresh, no whitespace. Something local to me? Something squidy? Something with the new image code? ] ] 12:11, 2 Feb 2004 (UTC) | |||
| Discussion moved to ] | |||
| ==Code for pics in a column== | |||
| Help, please, with putting 5 pics in a column on the page. | |||
| Discussion (with answer) moved to ] | |||
| ==Renegade Table Tag on Maine== | |||
| There's a renegade table tag on the main page. ] 18:32, Feb 2, 2004 (UTC) | |||
| ==Misplaced Pages:Featured pictures candidates== | |||
| ] is being ignored. Should it be merged with featured article candidates since this gets a reasonable number of people checking it? Example: Snoyes nominated someone else's image on 19 Nov 2003, there have been no comments/objections, but it's still sitting on Brilliant pictures candidates over two months later. By the way there are only 7 candidates in total at the moment (1 nomination, 6 self-nominations). ] | ] 20:47, 2 Feb 2004 (UTC) | |||
| ==Slashdot== | |||
| ker-boom -- ] | ] 21:42, 2 Feb 2004 (UTC) | |||
| ==Album template and table help needed== | |||
| Discussion moved to ] | |||
| ==WikiProject Space== | |||
| ] has created a ] and he would like to invite Astronomy and Space Exploration enthusiasts to join his new project. His decision was mainly based on the lack of conformity between space missions (both manned and unmanned). That is all. | |||
| ==Current problems== | |||
| Why do I have difficulty loading Recent changes and the page histories? I remember an announcement saying hardware problems would be over by the end of January? (I won't ask why it's me again and no one else who asks these questions.) ] 23:56, 2 Feb 2004 (UTC) | |||
| There is definitely something strange going on this morning. I keep being told that pages don't exist and that edits can't be saved. There do seem to be a lot of bugs in the system recently. ] 23:59, 2 Feb 2004 (UTC) | |||
| :The version that was put into production yesterday morning (Squid3) wasn't tested properly under high load and showed bugs. Now 2.5 is running without problems so far. In benchmarks the squid currently serves pages at up to 800 requests/second to anon visitors without hammering the DB or the Apache, so this helps a lot. | |||
| :'''Edit/update:''' All wikipedias are currently running on 1 DB server, 1 Apache and 1 Squid. Geoffrin and some other server (don't recall which ;-) are broken. Without the Squid (running on old Larousse, a pentium3)[REDACTED] would be hardly reachable. The occasional 'Can't reach parent server' messages indicate that the Apache is overloaded and not reachable, so instead of a timeout you get a message now. Should make it a nicer and more explaining page though. | |||
| :Yesterday evening Larousse ran out of disk space for the log which caused Squid to crash. Brion has set up log rotation and compression now, and there's a lot of space now on the drive. -- ] 15:46, 3 Feb and 16:02, 4 Feb (UTC) | |||
| : Some new hardware was put in, and there are some problems with the squid setup. Being on Slashdot didn't help things much. ] | ] 00:40, Feb 3, 2004 (UTC) | |||
| Can someone explain "squid" and "slashdot" to non-technopersons? ] 00:52, 3 Feb 2004 (UTC) | |||
| :Squid is a ]. '''EDIT:''' See ] ] | |||
| :: We've recently been ] yet again. That's probably some of it. --] 00:45, 3 Feb 2004 (UTC) | |||
| :::The end of January date was when the new servers were being delivered. Well, they've been delivered, but they're still being tested, they're not doing anything useful yet. We are, however, being more creative in our use of the hardware we have. This creativity leads to improved speed especially for anonymous users, but lots of bugs and the occasional bit of downtime. A working squid server will be useful when the new hardware is ready for service. -- ] 04:22, Feb 3, 2004 (UTC) | |||
| ==An interesting reference tool perhaps== | |||
| Here's a little gem that a friend found and tossed my way. Let's just not all use it on Misplaced Pages.org or else we'll be in even worse shape. :) | |||
| --] 00:45, 3 Feb 2004 (UTC) | |||
| :Or, alternatively, I could have spent a minute thinking about what the tool actually does and realize that it just queries google, and not the sites themselves. ;) Oops. --] 01:05, 3 Feb 2004 (UTC) | |||
| == How to get anniversaries on the Main Page == | |||
| Well, how do i do it? The Knights of Pythias was founded on February 19, 1864, so we gotta jump on this. | |||
| :First, you'd have to write the article. Then, if it meets the guidelines on ], list it on ] or ] and a ] will add it to the main page on February 20th. ]] 02:01, Feb 3, 2004 (UTC) | |||
| == Traditional and Simplified Chinese reversed? == | |||
| I don't know enough Chinese to go to the Chinese pages and figure out how to correct this, but the main "Traditional Chinese" page contains Simplified Chinese text, and vice versa. | |||
| :There is only one version for each page. In other words, chinese simp is usually links to the same page as chinese traditional (most people can read both so why make two pages?). ] 03:21, 3 Feb 2004 (UTC) | |||
| Wha? Specific example? --]] | |||
| == Transient Article == | |||
| I just noticed the article for ]. It seems strange and off topic. Did the author know more than I do, or does the article need a rewrite? - ] 03:30, 3 Feb 2004 (UTC) | |||
| :There is no such thing as Houston's Paranelium! hahah (Paranelium isn't even a word) LMFAO! *Teddy Boy hairs are demoted to the 50s quadrant*!!! Before this gets deleted please add it to the bad jokes page!!! ] 03:33, 3 Feb 2004 (UTC) | |||
| ::Uncle Ed has now converted it to a good stub, so the original will remain in the history. ] 19:46, 3 Feb 2004 (UTC) | |||
| == Apparent new "bureaucrat" access == | |||
| :''Discussion moved to ]'' | |||
| == My Ancestors--Help, Please.--from Elizabeth L. Nice == | |||
| --> taken to ] | |||
| == ethnic group == | |||
| Trying to determine my ethnic group -> ] | |||
| == Misplaced Pages:What is an article == | |||
| ] states that there is no means at present of automatically determining disambiguation pages. Could this be done by detecting the presence of the <nowiki>{{msg:disambig}}</nowiki> metatag-thing? -- ] 11:40, 2004 Feb 3 (UTC) | |||
| == Upcoming change in section titles rendering == | |||
| Hi folks. There's a fix going in for the problem with the empty space after ==Titles== being dependent on whether there's a empty line or not after the title. So, I need to know which you'd prefer as the standard behaviour for titles. | |||
| Discussion moved to ] | |||
| ==In praise of Misplaced Pages editors== | |||
| ChrisO praises[REDACTED] and its editors/members. :) | |||
| Moved to ] | |||
| ==Google does Fractals: slashdot on steroids== | |||
| ] notes that Google's logo today includes fractals and links to an image search of "julia fractals". Practically every site in the results has been slashdotted. (::evil grin::) Sennheiser suggests that we take this opportunity to improve our ] articles. The ] has been set to ]. | |||
| ==Bug in the image resize code== | |||
| You can't use " in the new thumbnail captions, use ' instead. | |||
| Moved to ] | |||
| == Taxoboxes and beyond== | |||
| I created ] to centralize discussion regarding the taxobox-style tables present on articles. | |||
| Discussion moved to ] | |||
| == "See Also" == | |||
| We don't seem to be in the habit of putting See Also links in our articles. Isn't it common practice in paper encyclopedias to have a See Also section right under the article title? | |||
| Discussion moved to ] | |||
| == Viewing deleted articles == | |||
| We need a category of non-sysop users who are allowed to view deleted articles. ] 00:18, 4 Feb 2004 (UTC) | |||
| Discussion moved to ] | |||
| == translation == | |||
| Hi, what is your opinion of the most accurate Greek to modern English translation of New Testament to date ? | |||
| And where may I purchase it ? | |||
| Thanks, RustY Haynes | |||
| hayneshunting@bellsouth.net | |||
| :The best advice I have is to go ] and see what we have to say about translations. We don't give advice, but we try to be comprehensive. Good luck finding what you're seeking. ] 01:01, 4 Feb 2004 (UTC) (Note: also emailed to address provided above) | |||
| == Where has all the image gone?-- Senheiser ponders this enigma! == | |||
| See FAQ at the top of page. | |||
| == 3rd person == | |||
| ] will sign his posts at the end in future. (Sorry for cutting so soon, but the page is still too long). | |||
| Discussion moved to ] | |||
| ==Request for article== | |||
| We have a user, Shaheen Lakhan (]), who appears to be notable enough to warrant an article. Since doing an autobiography is discouraged, could someone please take up the task of creating such a page? (I would do it myself, but I am very pressed for time these days...). -] 05:15, 4 Feb 2004 (UTC) | |||
| :There was an article, but it was deleted. See . --]] 09:52, 4 Feb 2004 (UTC) | |||
| ::It's back, this time as a redirect to ]. I just listed it on RfD. ] 16:43, 4 Feb 2004 (UTC) | |||
| :As mentioned in ], I instituted the redirect because there was no article in place (it's best to at least have that). I agree that an article should be made by someone other than Shaheen (i.e. not an autobio). My hands are also full; can anyone take the task of creating an article? Accordingly, since an article will be created and ] not deleted, the listing should be deleted from the ] page. --] 17:01, 4 Feb 2004 (UTC) | |||
| ::I agree that he should have an article. My solution: why not just move the current user page to the article at ]? Then, the user can write in the ] page in first hand and have an disserved article (where anyone can edit). The user, or perhaps others, have written in proper formatting and it is probably one of the better articles on individuals. --] 17:35, 6 Feb 2004 (UTC) | |||
| :::I have moved the page. The request has been fulfilled. It is much better there and he needed it. --] 17:44, 6 Feb 2004 (UTC) | |||
| == "Thumb" image function annoyingly buggy == | |||
| At least in my prefered browser Opera, the "thumb" function for images seems not to be producing the desired results. The smaller version of the pic is in the article all right, but the little "enlarge" icon is seldom anywhere near the pic, sometimes paragraphs away, often over irrelevent text. Could we please stop converting images to this new system until it works better? Thanks, -- ] 05:47, 4 Feb 2004 (UTC) | |||
| :Replies to ] please. | |||
| == Re: Related Links on Gandhi == | |||
| Dear Sir / Ms., | |||
| Hello! | |||
| We would be happy if you could give link of our website www.gandhi-manibhavan.org in your website. | |||
| Herewith, we are sending you the brief description of our Museum and Website for your information. | |||
| URL of the website : http://www.gandhi-manibhavan.org | |||
| Description : Mani Bhavan is the place where Gandhi stayed from 1917 to 1934, whenever he was in Mumbai. It was from here that Gandhi initiated Civil Disobedience, Swadeshi, Khadi and Khilafat Movements. The house is now converted into a Museum. | |||
| The website of Mani Bhavan Gandhi Sangrahalaya provides extensive information on Gandhi and his views, the books read by Gandhi, Gandhi's original voice, his personal documents, anecdotes, ashram prayers, photographs etc..... | |||
| To reciprocate, we will give link of your website in our related website on Gandhi. Please inform us when you add our link. | |||
| Thank you in advance. | |||
| With warm regards, | |||
| Mani Bhavan Gandhi Sangrahalaya | |||
| 19 Laburnum Road, Gamdevi, | |||
| Mumbai - 400 007, India | |||
| Tel. No. +91-22-2380 5864 / 2380 8218 | |||
| Fax No. +91-22-23806239 | |||
| Email: info@gandhi-manibhavan.org | |||
| Kindly visit our most comprehensive and regularly updated website: www.gandhi-manibhavan.org and send us your comments and suggestions to make more user friendly | |||
| :Done. See ] ] 14:16, 4 Feb 2004 (UTC) | |||
| == anomaly in What links here == | |||
| I wonder what made ] (redirect page) apepars three times in "What links here" of ]. Is this need some fix? If so, how can it be fixed? | |||
| :This is a known problem. Just ignore the duplicates for now; it's a bug that they're in the database at all, but filtering them from the list made the query much more expensive on the database server. --] 11:24, 4 Feb 2004 (UTC) | |||
| Thanks. I failed to find a description of this problem in FAQ. | |||
| == Misplaced Pages's copyright is being violated == | |||
| An example is http://www.nationmaster.com/encyclopedia/Tic-tac-toe, which is a transparent clone of ]. What is going to be done about this? | |||
| : Bottom of that page: ''The Misplaced Pages article included on this page is licensed under the GFDL.'' ]] 13:50, 4 Feb 2004 (UTC) | |||
| :: Nationmaster is discussed ]. | |||
| : A full list of known users of our content is linked from ]. ] ] 15:17, 4 Feb 2004 (UTC) | |||
| == Anyone know where ] has gone?== | |||
| I'm not as much of a regular as I used to be around here so didn't notice he'd gone. Is he on holiday/gone cold turkey/coming back? If someone knows could they drop me a line on my talk page (to save space here) and delete this section if they think it won't be of interest to others? Cheers -- ] 19:54, 4 Feb 2004 (UTC) | |||
| == family == | |||
| ''Request for genealogical information for "MR CLARK"; moved to ]'' | |||
| == The Eagles == | |||
| ''Question about what album they were writing; moved to ]'' | |||
| == How do I help == | |||
| I live in the jungle of Belize, Central America. I am well educated but not knowledgeable about correct names of various plants and animals I take picutres of. I take pictures of what intrest me and have a large collection but no ideal of prper names. I know the pictures would enhance[REDACTED] but don't know how to post em properly. For example I have on of a multicolore lizard have no Ideal of it's scientific name so can't post it. General stuff I can do like pictures of goverment buildings, villages, and such and I have started doing so. I also will take pics by request if you explain what you want. Also what is the approriate size / resoultion for post? I use a 4 mega pixil digital camera at it's highest rez, and a 35mm SLR film camera. ] 07:32, 2004 Feb 5 (UTC) | |||
| * Dimensions should be (at most) about 300 pixels square, but there are exceptions (usually for maps). If you want to upload them, just log in (only logged in users can upload), and click "Upload file" from the left. Pick the file, and it will be uploaded. I suggest you make a page (at ], for instance), where you list all the pictures you have taken. Others could use it to identify them. ] 07:35, Feb 5, 2004 (UTC) | |||
| * Thanks ever so much for getting involved. Images of the kind you describe would be invaluable. Make a list of uploaded pictures as Raul describes then let the people at ] know about the wildlife pictures. The best expert we have in each area may be able to identify them and add to relevant articles. Full size colour images should be up to but less than 100KB - a smaller thumbnail is automatically created for use in articles and users can click to see the bigger picture - 100KB is much smaller than your digital camera will take so you will need to reduce them using one of many pieces of software available - shout again if you need a hand with this. ] ] 09:43, 5 Feb 2004 (UTC) | |||
| * Thanks for doing this. It will really help even if you don't know the names. Two things that I would suggest: 1) Upload them at around 640x480 pixel resolution (I would say up to 200KB). With the new image resizing options, it's not a problem to auto-generate thumbnails, but it is impossible to get higher quality from smaller pictures. 2) Make sure you write down '''where''' you took the picture (city, state, and if possible something about the specific place). ] | ] 13:35, Feb 5, 2004 (UTC) | |||
| == wikipedia.org.uk == | |||
| I have registered wikipedia.org.uk, and set it to forward to http://en.wikipedia.org. The forwarding only seems to be successful on the main page. | |||
| If anyone from[REDACTED] admin would like me to assign the site to them, please let me know. -- ] 07:36, 5 Feb 2004 (UTC) | |||
| With an Apache redirect directive either in an .htaccess file or in the httpd.conf it should work for the subpages as well. | |||
| Example: | |||
| Redirect / http://en.wikipedia.org/ | |||
| If this doesn't work http://www.linuxgazette.com/issue61/nielsen2.html should have a solution. | |||
| ] 12:23, 5 Feb 2004 (UTC) | |||
| :Thanks,but I am using a cheap "domain parking" service from http://www.webconexion.net. All I can do (without paying extra) is set a "forwars to" page, -- ] 07:31, 6 Feb 2004 (UTC) | |||
| ::If all you're trying to do is to make Misplaced Pages easier to '''find''', then you've done a good job. If you're trying to make the ".org.uk" domain '''masquerade''' as Misplaced Pages, then there will likely be extra work & expenses involved, which can be left to the "Misplaced Pages Organisation". I wouldn't sweat it if I were you. HTH --] 09:29, Feb 6, 2004 (UTC) | |||
| ==Misplaced Pages:Favorite quotes== | |||
| I'm starting a ] page, because, well... I think there ought be one. My justification is that we already have a "Brilliant prose" page, and that a favorite quotes page is a good way to link to internal debates that were memorable, and should be read by people, rather than buried so that the issues would flame up again. T'will be done. -] 08:29, 5 Feb 2004 (UTC) | |||
| :Are these supposed to be funny quotes, or just useful? I've been putting a lot of funny ones at ] lately. ] 08:40, Feb 5, 2004 (UTC) | |||
| :Have you seen Angela's quote collections at ], ] and ]? -- ] 23:28, Feb 5, 2004 (UTC) | |||
| ::I'd not seen these. They're just beautiful. :) ] | ] 23:42, 5 Feb 2004 (UTC) | |||
| ==Mailing lists== | |||
| What gives? It has been nearly a day since the last post was archived on the mailing lists. --] 09:05, 5 Feb 2004 (UTC) | |||
| :Brion mentioned in one post that mail might be interrupted for a while as part of the new server move. Maybe this it? Unfortunately I can't point you to the exact mail as URLs with the word *mail* in them are dynamic blocked from where I am accessing the internet. ] ] 09:36, 5 Feb 2004 (UTC) | |||
| ==Front page cached?== | |||
| Trivial thing... but when I go to the front page the "you have messages" link is shown. But I don't, I've visited my talk page, checked the page history, refreshed the front page etc, but the message remains. Is this something to so with the ] that has recently been employed at wiki-central? I remember someone saying that he was caching pages. ;) ] | ] 09:48, 5 Feb 2004 (UTC) | |||
| :If you're logged in nothing is cached by the Squid, same headers as before. It's only caching anon requests and takes a lot of load off the main server this way. -- ] 11:56, 5 Feb 2004 (UTC) | |||
| :Moved all cache-related bug reports to ]. -- ] 14:22, 5 Feb 2004 (UTC) | |||
| ==Not sure what to fix next?== | |||
| I have just re-written ] to give pointers to what the requested articles should be about. With a little vim from a user or two we could clear this list today! ] ] 11:07, 5 Feb 2004 (UTC) | |||
| ==Recent Changes== | |||
| Is it just me, or is Recent Changes not updating? Mine is stuck at 14:10. ] 14:47, 5 Feb 2004 (UTC) | |||
| :It's just you. Try reload or <shift-reload>. ] | |||
| ::Thanks. Working now. ] 15:11, 5 Feb 2004 (UTC) | |||
| == Conflict of information - ballpoint pen == | |||
| ] states it was invented by ] which article states he invented an automatic pencil. ] states it was invented by ] -- SGBailey 2004-02-05 | |||
| :At least one person went a bit overboard a while ago concerning ]. It has been claimed that he invented the propelling pencil (which IIRC checks out), the fountain pen (which doesn't, although he had a patent on at least one specific design), and apparently now the ballpoint pen too. I think it was Biro. ] 21:05, 5 Feb 2004 (UTC) | |||
| ::As explained under ], several people have 'invented' it at different times. However, I don't think ] is widely thought to be one of them; indeed, the ] article in question is rather in need of checking in several ways, so is like very unreliable. - ] 03:38, 6 Feb 2004 (UTC) | |||
| == Help with new image syntax == | |||
| I've reformatted the ] article using the ] and the image captions have disappeared. Can someone please tell me what I've done wrong? They are quite important to the article. ] 15:49, 5 Feb 2004 (UTC) | |||
| :Caption do not work without thumbnails in the new image syntax. On ] this has already been discussed, with a proposed syntax from your not-so-humbly. For now, you'll either have to make it a thumbnail (with the grey area and the microscope image), or not use the image syntax to get it to the right (but use table or div as before). ] 16:37, 5 Feb 2004 (UTC) | |||
| ::Thanks! I'll continue this on the talk page, and meantime I've used the workaround suggested there. ] 20:46, 5 Feb 2004 (UTC) | |||
| ::...and I've now gone back to the old standard. Of the three versions of this article, the one that uses the cumbersome old syntax is by far the best, and it's not obvious how to get the same result with the new syntax. | |||
| ::Pity. ] 02:19, 6 Feb 2004 (UTC) | |||
| ==backlinks== | |||
| As of November 7th, 2003, Google references 60,300 back-links to us... now its "about 73,700". We're going up quickly, I must say. --- ] | |||
| :This number is rather unreliable, and seems to go up and down without any connection to the real number. It serves well as an order-of-magnitude estimate of the real number, but is not reliable enough to use in comparisons between one time and the other. ] 16:35, 5 Feb 2004 (UTC) | |||
| == Potential Paleoanthropology Issue == | |||
| I was just browsing the 'pedia and I came across the following articles, ] and ]. I know a ''bit'' about the ''Homo'' genus and hadn't heard of these guys before. Can anyone with more expertise than myself help determine if these articles reflect consensus views on the subject or are, rather, ]? Thanks. --] 18:33, 5 Feb 2004 (UTC) | |||
| :I think this might be catagorized as fringe science (i might be wrong). I did a google search for ''homo erectus soloensis site:.gov'' which yielded no results. I did a normal google search for the same homo, and one of the top results was an article from a . ON the other hand, there was a reference to it in www.thefreedictionary.com, but that might be a bogus source, and i haven't time to check. ]<font color="#000000">] 23:47, 5 Feb 2004 (UTC) | |||
| :: This article at archeology.org mentions ''soloensis'' in passing, and it seems the name is derived from the Solo River in Java. -- ] | ] 23:51, 5 Feb 2004 (UTC) | |||
| :::Hmmmm. Interesting. I think this might actually be valid. Further investigation led me to this which included a photogrpah of a Homo Soloensis skull. I also found with an even better explanation. very exciting stuff. ]<font color="#000000">] 00:19, 6 Feb 2004 (UTC) | |||
| ==MPAA screeners== | |||
| I've added a bit to the current events page and beefed up the article on ]s, but I think we should have a page on ]. Any takers? --] 18:39, 5 Feb 2004 (UTC) | |||
| ==Pakistan Nuclear Scandal== | |||
| Given how big a deal this seems when I read the news articles about it, maybe we should have an article on it? See current events. --] 18:39, 5 Feb 2004 (UTC) | |||
| : We already have an article on ] with a section about Pakistan that needs to be updated. See also ] for a related article. -- ] 11:58, 6 Feb 2004 (UTC) | |||
| :: Well then, someone should update the nuclear proliferation article. ;) As for the article on AQK, it seemed a bit sparse on current information regarding the issue. Anyone know a good source for more data? I was browsing google news but didn't really come up with that much useful info. --] 16:31, 6 Feb 2004 (UTC) | |||
| == Link Exchange == | |||
| Hello, | |||
| I'm looking to exchange links with your site I will place a link to your site from ours . Please let me know if this is possible | |||
| Regards, | |||
| Matt | |||
| ::This site is editable by anyone. Theoretically, you could add the link, but I reccomend that you dont. Misplaced Pages doesn't advertise. If you add the link it will probably be deleted, and if you continue to add the link, you might be blocked from editing. ]<font color="#000000">] | |||
| == Wesley Clark == | |||
| ''Question about whether he spoke in Tennessee in the 70s: already at ].'' | |||
| == SWF picture format == | |||
| Hello fellow Wikipedians, I am a newcommer and am very impressed with this fantastic collective 💕. I would be honnored to make contributions to it, graphics wise, but first I need to now if the format I use and specialize in is suitable for your programm scince I have not seen it in the list of requested formats. | |||
| I work with SWF format, wich is a open format. My original technical illustrations and animations uses vectors wich produces very light weight files for fast downloads. | |||
| Here is an example showing the innerworkings of a Manual Transmission. It is fully interactive and make only 37K. A single picture (still) would be at around only 2K. http://www3.lino.sympatico.ca/geebee/custom/transmis.htm | |||
| I also produce JPGs and PNGs , but mostly I do in SWF because of vectors been so light. | |||
| If you find the format acceptable, then I would be happy to contribute as much as I can. I have many already done and some of the requests I see here I can produce quite easily and to top quality. | |||
| Best regards, and bravo for this wonderfull project that is, in my opinion, totally in tune with the real nature and purpose of the Internet. | |||
| geebee@lino.sympatico.ca | |||
| :Have you looked at ], especially the section on "Format"? I think that's our policy for now. If you have questions, please post them at ]. Thanks, ] 21:10, 5 Feb 2004 (UTC) | |||
| :I can't speak for others, but I would not be averse to including flash animations as links. I'd prefer they not be in-line in the articles, and normal still images be there instead. This may need to wait a bit for some technical issues, as currently the Media: links do not set a proper content-type header, so linking to SWF files that way won't work correctly in most browsers. --] 23:49, Feb 5, 2004 (UTC) | |||
| ::Until there's a high-quality non-proprietary player/viewer/plugin, forget it. ] | |||
| ==Uploading images== | |||
| ''Fabiform panics when a cached copy of an image is briefly shown.'' ] | ] 22:59, 5 Feb 2004 (UTC) | |||
| : You get some weird cache-related effects sometimes, Fabiform. Your image ''does'' have two shades of purple now. Somewhere in your chain of caches, one has not updated. Don't worry about it, it will sort itself out over time. Consider just how many caches there are in the chain between the 'pedia server and you. You may have (a) a browser cache, (b) a firewall cache (if you use an intelligent firewall), (c) other software caches such as download "accellerators", (d) your ISP's cache (they all say they don't use proxies, but they do), (e), your ISP's provider's cache (i.e., the company that does the trans-oceanic cable or satellite link - they cache stuff too, to save bandwidth). Plus I probably forgot some. ] 23:06, 5 Feb 2004 (UTC) | |||
| ::I hadn't quite realised there were ''that many'' caches between me and wikipedia, thanks for elucidating! ] | ] 23:25, 5 Feb 2004 (UTC) | |||
| :I'm experiencing something similiar to Fabiform. I'm trying to overwrite ] (black and white) with a slightly modified (cropped and brightened) picture - http://www.history.navy.mil/photos/images/k06000/k06651.jpg (color). But no matter what I do, the old one keeps popping up. I know for a fact it isn't a cache issue - I ssh'd into a server on a totally different ISP, downloaded the image, and got the old one. What am I doing wrong? ] 11:12, Feb 6, 2004 (UTC) | |||
| ::Screw it. I uploaded to a different name and deleted the old one. ] 11:25, Feb 6, 2004 (UTC) | |||
| ==Signature talk link== | |||
| After seeing color in parts of other user's signatures, Sennheiser attempted to make the ''exclamation mark talk page link''(see ]) in his signature black. Obviously he failed in implementing this feature. Any suggestions? ]<font color="#000000">] 01:31, 6 Feb 2004 (UTC) | |||
| :You probably saw a purple section, right? That is the "visited link" colour - you'd been to their talk page recently, so it shows up a different colour to their user page, which you'd not been to recently. Several people '''bold''' the part of their signature that links to their talk page. Or you can spell it out like this: ] | ] 01:40, 6 Feb 2004 (UTC) | |||
| : Dysprosia thinks that the stylesheet or wiki formatter is overriding your choice of font color for link. ] 01:45, 6 Feb 2004 (UTC) | |||
| : Well, Sennheiser saw Green in green's sig on ]. BTW, Sennheiser has his visited link color set to light blue as Sennheiser finds purple ugly. ]<font color="#000000">] 01:52, 6 Feb 2004 (UTC) | |||
| :: Sennheiser has now found a nice way to do his signature and is happy with it. (I realized the bold was better than a different color as it prevents confusion) ]'''] | |||
| ::Looks like ] gets round it by putting the font tag ''inside'' the link text - I suppose that makes it <code><a><font></font></a></code> rather than <code><font><a></a></font></code>. <nowiki>]</nowiki>->]. But I agree that it's better to use bold, especially since you could potentially break someone's custom colourscheme if you specify absolute colours. - ] 02:14, 6 Feb 2004 (UTC) | |||
| ==(Yerzoplazistonian) Civil War Civil War== | |||
| Looking at the list of contributions for ], I discovered an article called ]. When I click on it, it takes me to an empty article. The article is not nonexistant, it doesn't come up as an article to be created, it's there, though empty. I can click on the "Discuss this page" and get into an edit to create a Talk page. But there's no "Delete this page" link. How can we get rid of this? ] 02:18, 6 Feb 2004 (UTC) | |||
| : Rick, it means the page doesn't exist :) SuperBee's MO is to put empty pages on his contribution list on his page. Don't worry about it, unless something's linked to the nonsense page. Thanks ] 02:29, 6 Feb 2004 (UTC) | |||
| ::I think you mean ]. His actual list of ] shows up the ] page, not just the list he's written on his user page. I've tried to delete it before, but it won't go. ]] 07:08, Feb 6, 2004 (UTC) | |||
| :::Maybe it's a database thing, due to the previous upgrades &/c (I can't remember, I'm a ] or something). ] 07:11, 6 Feb 2004 (UTC) | |||
| ==an idea for preferential balloting== | |||
| → ] | |||
| ==File not found== | |||
| I've been getting intermittent "file not found" messages. For example, I went to VfD, clicked on a link from there and then pressed "back", only to get an error message saying the file could not be found -- this was not a 404 or any such thing, it was a popup box like any other in Mac OSX (Mozilla). Is this part of the recent Wiki-madness due to servers and new features and slashdotting being flung about willy-nilly? ] 04:58, Feb 6, 2004 (UTC) | |||
| == Iraq updates needed == | |||
| While some pages on ] will need some time to be fully updated, I think we can safely gut ] as the chance of it being accurate ever again are just about ''nil''. --] 07:26, 6 Feb 2004 (UTC) | |||
| : Shouldn't it be shifted into the past tense, or moved to some kind of "history" article rather than <s>bombed until the rocks bounce</s> chopped down? ] 10:45, 6 Feb 2004 (UTC) | |||
| ::I agree, but I can already see the edit war over what it should be called. The Military of Iraq before .... (fill the gap at user's own risk). ] 10:48, 6 Feb 2004 (UTC) | |||
| :::I suggest ] as a neutral title. :) ] | |||
| ==Wikistats unavailable== | |||
| I've been sitting on this for a few days, thinking it might resolve itself, but to no avail. I want to see ], but it's ancient (an update would be appreciated), with a redirect to . The link is broken, however. ] 09:18, Feb 6, 2004 (UTC) | |||
| : It's been moved to . Link updated. --] 09:45, Feb 6, 2004 (UTC) | |||
| ::Ah, thank you. That was generated on Sept 26 - Is that the most recent? ] 09:54, Feb 6, 2004 (UTC) | |||
| ::PS - I'm astounded that in less than 2 years, Maverick racked up 31,000 edits! | |||
| ==Refreshing Featured Articles== | |||
| Just a reminder that the four-week period for raising objections to articles that were not clear keeps in the original voting is at its exact mid point. If you voted to remove an article but have not raised a formal objection to it, please do so now at ]. ] 10:37, 6 Feb 2004 (UTC) | |||
| ==List of blocked users== | |||
| :''20:00, Dec 31, 2004, Tim Starling blocked 65.110.6.34 (contribs) (unblock) (Sorry, Misplaced Pages has been vandalised many times by www.proxyweb.net users) | |||
| :''21:38, Feb 29, 2004, Hephaestos blocked 204.96.197.145 (contribs) (unblock) (michael) | |||
| Has Misplaced Pages been the victim of inter-temporal vandalism? ] 14:24, Feb 6, 2004 (UTC) | |||
| : There isn't support in the software to block an anon IP for more than a day, and we had lots of vandalism from that address. So I think Tim manually inserted a block entry into the database for the end of the year. Quite clever, that. -- ] | ] 14:38, 6 Feb 2004 (UTC) | |||
| ==Page History Checkboxes== | |||
| What are the checkboxes that have suddenly started appearing beside items in the Page History lists for? Or am I seeing things? ] 14:31, 6 Feb 2004 (UTC) | |||
| :(Copied from Talk: Main page) | |||
| :Don't feel so bad - it took me a good 3-5 minutes to figure it out. I was even thinking about posting to the pump. Anyway, check any two boxes, and it'll show you the difference beteween the 2 versions you select. ] 14:32, Feb 6, 2004 (UTC) | |||
| ::However it seems it doesn't work that way, as it always gave me the difference between the last two versions. Or I might be too stupid to understand it? ] 14:43, 6 Feb 2004 (UTC) | |||
| ::No, it works, but it seems it is only working when selection the checkboxes from bottom to top - when doing from top to bottom it only shows the difference between the latest two version. Maybe a negative sign which needs to be stripped? ] 15:01, 6 Feb 2004 (UTC) | |||
| ::: I think this was fixed just a second ago (was chatting on IRC about it) :-) | |||
| :There's a debate about two columns for the selection vs. the current one. Snok is preparing different variants, there might be a vote on it soon. -- ] 14:42, 6 Feb 2004 (UTC) | |||
| :Thanks. It seems to work for me. I guess I was afraid to try it in case it was the sellotape that held the house together. ] 14:49, 6 Feb 2004 (UTC) | |||
| ::Yea, I had the same fears at first. So I did my first test run on the ] article. That way, if I screwed up, we wouldn't lose anything valuable. ] 14:52, Feb 6, 2004 (UTC) | |||
| == Awesome public domain site found == | |||
| I, Sennheiser, have found an which has (long) articles about everything from ] to the ]. These articles are written by Greg Goebel, and many include diagrams created by Goebel (public domain). ]'''] | |||
| :Someone needs to write him, explain the Misplaced Pages project, and ask if he minds having his work released under the GNU-FDL. --] 16:28, 6 Feb 2004 (UTC) | |||
| :: I did. He seems pretty cool and wants to help, but doesn't seem to want to do so directly. Apparently, he has had contact with some other Wikipedians, whom he calls "hacks". Here's the e-mail response I got from him: | |||
| :<pre> | |||
| Hi Dori: | |||
| Forgive me if I chuckling a little bit, but | |||
| Misplaced Pages hacks have ported about a | |||
| dozen of my works to the Wiki and I've | |||
| been corresponding with them for some | |||
| time. | |||
| However, I'm not unhappy to get in touch | |||
| with you because I've been a little | |||
| frustrated in my dealings with Wiki | |||
| hacks -- not because they've been unkind | |||
| to me (quite the opposite!) but because | |||
| they haven't taken as much advantage of | |||
| me as I am willing to give them. | |||
| I don't want to monkey with the | |||
| Wiki myself directly, since working on | |||
| my site is enough of a job, but I would | |||
| like to extend a standing invitation to | |||
| Wiki hacks that I am willing to: | |||
| % Consider requests, particularly if they | |||
| are something close to what I am already | |||
| doing. | |||
| % Abridge or provide outlines of my | |||
| documents, this being much easier for me | |||
| to do than somebody else since I have my | |||
| brain wrapped around them already. | |||
| % Extract elements from larger documents | |||
| and convert them into stand-along | |||
| documents -- for example, say, yanking | |||
| the story of the Battle of Gettysburg from | |||
| my oversized Civil War history and | |||
| turning it into a stand-alone item. | |||
| I must say I am impressed that the Wiki | |||
| seems to maintain surprisingly high | |||
| standards of quality for a contribution | |||
| based system. I suspect that a good review | |||
| system is the key. | |||
| PS: As a kindly-meant and minor suggestion, | |||
| you might try more specific titles than simply | |||
| "Hi". I opened up the email expecting it to be | |||
| pornographic spam ... | |||
| Nice chatting ... | |||
| Greg Goebel | |||
| </pre> | |||
| I think some of the editors interested in the subjects covered in the site should contact Greg and cooperate to bring some of that information into Misplaced Pages. Perhaps we should create a cooperation page to track this. ] | ] 17:03, Feb 6, 2004 (UTC) | |||
| He seems very nice. I have created a ], mostly from his article, but I did add pictures of each mark(it took a while to find an image of each different version, and they were hard to tell apart). Since he releases his work in the public domain, he gives away his work without any expectation that he will get credit. (i did, however, give him credit in the article I created) ]'''] 17:11, 6 Feb 2004 (UTC) | |||
| : Yes, I think it's important to give credit where credit is due (I usually do so in a References section at the bottom). We can make a MediaWiki message just for these artiles (like for 1911) so that they are the same. More importantly I think we should try to coordinate efforts so that there is no duplication and also so we can take advantage of the help Greg is offering. Apparently we have a page on Greg at ]. I think this should be moved to the Misplaced Pages namespace. I propose: ]. ] | ] 17:22, Feb 6, 2004 (UTC) | |||
| ::Yes (vectorsite import station sounds good to me). He only is frustrated because he is willing to do more for wikipedia? Thats kind of weird, but very nice. BTW, can someone add ] to the main page? ]'''] | |||
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