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== Votes in progress == == Decisions in progress ==
=== Ongoing discussions ===
*All recipes proposed for deletion should be discussed at ]
*'''Demon pages discussion moved to ].'''
*'''Deletion of number pages like ] -> ]'''


Note that listings more than five days old should now be moved to ].
=== May 23 ===
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=== January 30 === ====]====
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**Continued at ]
**Current vote count:
***Delete: 7
***Keep: <strike>2</strike> 3 (including the author) + 2 sock puppets
***Keep but move: 1
***Non-votes: <strike>3</strike> 2
::About 10 days since listed. There is no active discussion going on. I think this is as close as we can get to consensus on subjects such as this. Why isn't this deleted yet? ] 18:49, 8 Feb 2004 (UTC)
::I count 5 delete and 2 keep. Definitely not a consensus. "As close as we can get to consensus," if not a consensus, means you keep it. ] 18:57, 8 Feb 2004 (UTC)
:::No vote, but a comment on the process. '''Consensus &ne; Unanimity'''. After all voices have been heard and everyone has had their chance to make their case as persuasively as possible, decisions must still be made. We must avoid the tyrannies of both the majority ''and'' the minority. I've been told our rule of thumb in situations like this is 2/3 supermajority. ] 20:12, 8 Feb 2004 (UTC)
:::The 7 who voted "Delete" are: ], ], ], ], ], ], and myself . ] 21:24, 8 Feb 2004 (UTC)
::::Texture did not vote delete. He said "Even if the article can be save it will need to be recreated with a new title." Jwrosenzweig agreed. In any case, I just added my vote. Even 7/11 < 2/3 < consensus. ] 21:32, 8 Feb 2004 (UTC)
:::::Just to get the facts right: Texture was the one who placed the entry on VfD. Jwrosenzweig agreed with him on doing so. And I'm not sure you can count ] on the "Keep" side the way you do. ] 21:43, 8 Feb 2004 (UTC)
::::Consensus may not equal unanimity, but it doesn't equal supermajority either. In any case, 5/8 < 2/3. ] 21:22, 8 Feb 2004 (UTC)
:: Well I voted keep and I'm certainly not the author, nor am I a sock puppet. ] 19:20, Feb 8, 2004 (UTC)
::: You said "I'm not taking sides" - so I counted you as a "non-vote". I apologize for my misunderstanding, and I'll update the count accordingly. ] 21:12, 8 Feb 2004 (UTC)
::::The fact this argument is even happening shows why it has not been deleted. It is obviously not clear whether a consensus has been reached or not. Unless someone is prepared to make that decision (which I'm not), it will be listed here forever. ]] 02:38, Feb 9, 2004 (UTC)
:::Keep. ] 06:16, 10 Feb 2004 (UTC)


{{tl|VfD-Glad}}
=== February 4 ===
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{{tl|VfD-Kyb_IE_GetEmAll}}
* ] - another obscure surrealist, most likely self-promotion. --] 18:49, Feb 4, 2004 (UTC)
**Keep. Most likely not self-promotion. BTW, no vfd tag. ] 02:54, 5 Feb 2004 (UTC)
**Delete. The external link is 404. ] 14:22, 5 Feb 2004 (UTC)
***Check out http://www.freewebs.com/genovese/parent%20direct/ . I found this site and am editing to link to it. --] 18:56, 5 Feb 2004 (UTC)
**Delete. --]
** Delete: personal promotion. ] 03:09, 9 Feb 2004 (UTC)
**Keep. He did something meaningful in a larger context, he should stay. Encyclopedic and verifiable. - ] 15:02, 9 Feb 2004 (UTC)
***Note that most of the links from that page are also on vfd.
**Keep! ] 10:57, 10 Feb 2004 (UTC)


=== February 5 === ====]====


{{tl|VfD-AberSeeSaw}}
*] an idiosyncratic or made-up art term. Gets no google hits besides wikipedia: . ]] 05:09, 5 Feb 2004 (UTC)
**Delete unless someone can verify. ] 15:52, 5 Feb 2004 (UTC)
**Not a vote. Should be coordinated with ], listed on VfD under Feb. 4 above. If both are deleted, fine. If ] is kept, ] should either be kept or merged with his article. --] 06:33, Feb 10, 2004 (UTC)


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*], ], ], ] all have no external links, no relevant hits on Google, unknown magazine, and fishy prose, like "Irish Pulitzer prize." These are related to above ]. Seems fictional? ] 05:53, 5 Feb 2004 (UTC)
**Delete all. I can find no record of these people or Red China Magazine on the web. ] 06:07, 5 Feb 2004 (UTC)
**from ] "Clark as Johnson always carries a potato and boxes people 1930s style outside of pubs" sounds completely phony. Delete all. (surprised some of these have been around so long) ]] 06:09, 5 Feb 2004 (UTC)
**It seems there is really a "Red China Magazine" see ], but you have to search &#32005;&#33394;&#20013;&#22283; in google. But I don't know whether it is famous enough within China. ] 06:29, 5 Feb 2004 (UTC)
**Delete; nonsense/vanity. ] 10:57, 5 Feb 2004 (UTC)
**That these entries do not link to specific sites I take issue with. Although I do not find this site to be a forum for esoterica, I can also state that many things found on[REDACTED] I cannot find elsewhere using google. As the writer of some of these articles, and the ex-husband of another person interesting in compiling information surrounding this art-group, I must say that most of Smith's/LaBier's/Clark's work, including the magazine, have been published by vanity presses or organizations since folded. The first time I came across Smith's work was in St. Mark's bookstore on the consignment shelf. There was no record of prior printings (copyright expired?), but I know for a fact that ''The Light Flood'' (published or possibly reprinted this year), which was given me by an old prof, was printed once before in 1970. Thus I find Smith, LaBier, and, to a lesser extent, their linking partners, to be relevant. Thanks are given to Clark, Johnson in ''Stockholm Evenings'', a work published of Smith that I believe, but have not factually confirmed, was published by Hauser prior to the two's parting ways. For my final argument that these topics are worthwhile, I should direct all concientious voters to both pigironmalt.com and ''Poetry Motel'', magazines where Smith has published once if not several times per. ''Ocean City: Poems and Artwork'' is available for sale on amazon.com (and several other sites) as well. However, it is listed as a first printing. All of my letters to the vanity press have yet to be answered, although all I ask for is that I be forwarded to the executors of the work courtesy of the press. If anyone else has info regarding these artists, please come forward. Otherwise, I should go about my cataloguing of their lives elsewhere. I vote that they remain available to the public via this publicly upheld site. Please do not delete. ]
***Can you point to a single website that mentions these people? ] 04:29, 8 Feb 2004 (UTC)
****"That these entries do not link to specific sites, I take issue with. Although I do not find this site to be a forum for esoterica, I can also state that many things found on[REDACTED] I cannot find elsewhere using google." This is something that I wrote previously. I would advise you to reread what I wrote previously, as I also listed two websites where Alex Smith appears as a poet or writer. Amazon lists ''Ocean City'' for sale. http://www.pigironmalt.com has published Smith's story "We Walked into the Lake." I hope this helps.


{{tl|VfD-BenWilson}}
*] - just a one-line dictionary definition, no history and no scope for much expansion that I can think of right now. ] 06:16, 5 Feb 2004 (UTC)
**rather amorphous and vague, ditto the expansion thing. Delete ] 06:23, 5 Feb 2004 (UTC)
**Delete. ] 07:02, 5 Feb 2004 (UTC)
**Delete. ] 15:52, 5 Feb 2004 (UTC)
**Keep and treat it as a stub article. It could, for example, have an introduction followed by a list of articles about mathematical problems on Misplaced Pages. See . ] 02:16, 10 Feb 2004 (UTC)
**Is there a mathematically technical definition of a "problem"? If so, explain here and list problems that have their own article. If not, redirect to ], which already has plenty of pointers into our mathematics articles. --] 06:33, Feb 10, 2004 (UTC)


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*] someone's personal law? Gets 6 google hits: ]] 06:18, 5 Feb 2004 (UTC)
**Delete; vanity article. Besides which, the first and third "laws" are simply incorrect. Data transmission protocols (e.g., 56K modems) are often engineered on the hardware level such that upstream bandwidth is narrower than downstream bandwidth. And there were (and possibly still are) jurisdictions where copyright is perpetual. ] 10:57, 5 Feb 2004 (UTC)
**Merge with ]. Then let's come back and discuss that page. ] 14:25, 5 Feb 2004 (UTC)
**Delete - If it gets to stay then I get to write an article on ].... :) - ] 15:30, 5 Feb 2004 (UTC)
***Now that I'd vote to keep. ] 15:52, 5 Feb 2004 (UTC)
**Delete. ] ] 22:05, 5 Feb 2004 (UTC)
**Merge with ] before deleting. --] 06:33, Feb 10, 2004 (UTC)


{{tl|VfD-Metarmorphosis}}
=== February 6 ===
*] "Greater Prussia is a term which may be used to refer to Brandenburg-Prussia, The Kingdom of Prussia and the subsequent Republic of Prussia as one continuous entity. The term is artificial. It may also be used to refer to the Kingdom of Prussia at its greatest extent."
**We suffer terribly from having to many Prussia related articles. Somebody added yet another, self decribed as artificial and never used. Delete it!] 12:03, 6 Feb 2004 (UTC)
**] also. We already have ]. ] 12:06, 6 Feb 2004 (UTC)
***Delete all 3 pages. ] sugests, that also ] should be deleted. ] 15:43, 6 Feb 2004 (UTC)
**Note: ] and ] are the same individual. This has been verified through the server logs. ]] 05:36, 7 Feb 2004 (UTC)
**Keep, but possibly redirect. If "Greater Prussia" is a term that is used, it may be worth having at least a stubbish definition of what area it refers to. If it is used only rarely, redirect to ], since that already contains a one-sentence mention of "Greater Prussia". In either case, don't delete. --] 06:35, Feb 10, 2004 (UTC)


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*] created by a user with a history of making fictional entries. . ]] 00:53, 6 Feb 2004 (UTC)
**Delete all of SmartBee's fiction. ] 02:05, 6 Feb 2004 (UTC)
***Then put that user under a hard ban. ] 03:12, 6 Feb 2004 (UTC)
****Nobody is allowed to ban anybody anymore. ] 03:48, 6 Feb 2004 (UTC)
*****Well that's plain stupid. IMHO, if someone persistenly adds blatantly false information to Misplaced Pages, then (s)he needs to get banned, regardless of whether (s)he has also contributed true information. ] 03:52, Feb 6, 2004 (UTC)
**Delete. Bans can be enforced by Jimbo still, I believe. ] 12:35, 6 Feb 2004 (UTC)
** Delete. suspicious in and of itself that everything wikified in the article is red. --] 01:54, 10 Feb 2004 (UTC)


{{tl|VfD-WestonLullingfields}}
*]. This sounds like a lie to me. I have not heard anything about this at all. --] 03:10, 6 Feb 2004 (UTC)
**Created by SmartBee, all of whose work is questionable. ] 03:47, 6 Feb 2004 (UTC)
**Delete unless someone can find a citation. Nothing on CTV news recently about a proposed referendum. ] 10:04, 6 Feb 2004 (UTC)
**I haven't heard anything about this either, and I live in Quebec. Delete. --] ] 10:49, 6 Feb 2004 (UTC)
**Delete and refer to ] discussion just up the page. ] 12:35, 6 Feb 2004 (UTC)
**With the Liberals in power in Quebec, this is just fantasy (and anyway if would be 'Quebec separation' not 'Quebecois separation'). Delete. ] 17:36, 6 Feb 2004 (UTC)


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*]. Wiktionary. ]] 08:00, Feb 6, 2004 (UTC)


{{tl|VfD-CollegeRoad}}
** Delete. ] 08:24, 6 Feb 2004 (UTC)
** Agreed. Wiktionary. ] 09:57, 6 Feb 2004 (UTC)
**Delete; Wiktionary. ] 10:04, 6 Feb 2004 (UTC)
**<s>Redirect to ]</s>. Keep as disambiguation page. ] 21:45, 6 Feb 2004 (UTC)
***I don't know the meaning relating to cannabis, but anyway there are several different meanings for this word so that would be a poor redirect (swag = a thief's booty, a garland, a lurch/swagger, a subsidence, a shop, the bundle of belongings carried by transients, a large quantity, a trifling object) ] | ] 03:31, 7 Feb 2004 (UTC)
****From dictionary.com, "Herbal tea in a plastic sandwich bag sold as marijuana to an unsuspecting customer." ] 03:27, 8 Feb 2004 (UTC)
**Keep as the disambiguation page the above discussion shows it needs to be. ] 10:53, 7 Feb 2004 (UTC)
**Wiktionary. Multiple definitions are still definitions. Point the links to Wiktionary and readers can just as easily find out the different defintions there. ] 04:27, 8 Feb 2004 (UTC)
**Keep. In Australia a '''swag''' is a roll of belongings carried in a blanket, and a very important part of our history. I'll do a stub in the next few days if nobody else does. ] 01:07, 9 Feb 2004 (UTC)
**Keep. As above, a '''swag''' is a very specific and unique item in Australian culture. There is quite a large trade of these things in camping stores etc. (very handy item)


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*] substub. ''Astraphobia is fear of thunder and lighting. It is especially common in young children''. It is the the ] By precedent, candidate for speedy deletion, unless someone writes more. ] 08:01, 6 Feb 2004 (UTC)
** It's not ''that'' substubby, though maybe it can be put somewhere more usefl. ] 08:06, 6 Feb 2004 (UTC)
**Redirect to ] and merge, unless this phobia is in some way noteworthy. --] ] 10:49, 6 Feb 2004 (UTC)


{{tl|VfD-NuttyNorman}}
*] - improve and -> wiktionary ] 08:58, 6 Feb 2004 (UTC)
**Delete. This was prematurely deleted, presumably because of the lack of a VfD tag. I undeleted it and added the vfd tag so it can sit here until due process expires and it's deleted. ] 10:53, 7 Feb 2004 (UTC)


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*] - 105 google hits; if we dont know this guy, then delete --]] 09:17, 6 Feb 2004 (UTC)
**Delete ]. ] 09:57, 6 Feb 2004 (UTC)
**Appears to be a ]; he seems a bit young to be famous, especially considering his profession (disc jockey).
**Keep. Not vanity. ] 21:48, 6 Feb 2004 (UTC)
**Delete. - ] 22:15, 6 Feb 2004 (UTC)
**Delete. 105 google hits is generous: if you search for &quot;Steve Labelle&quot; and DJ (his claimed area of success) you get 2 hits, neither of which seem to be him. ] 22:17, 6 Feb 2004 (UTC)
** Delete. Article says that he started DJing 5 months ago. ] 20:06, Feb 8, 2004 (UTC)


{{tl|VfD-DavidBarker}}
*] - someone's ] fanfic or homemade RPG setting. Completely unwiki. AND it's only a table of contents! -] 09:43, 6 Feb 2004 (UTC)
**Delete ]. ] 09:57, 6 Feb 2004 (UTC)
**Delete ]. ] 10:05, 6 Feb 2004 (UTC)
**Delete. Reasons as above. --] ] 10:49, 6 Feb 2004 (UTC)
**Delete, definitely, for reasons stated above - ] 11:11, 6 Feb 2004 (UTC)


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* ]- Google's already indexed it, and various users of Misplaced Pages content have already copied it to their databases, but it was just created minutes ago. All reference on the net seem to be to our content, or to bloggish sites. - ]
**Not a vote (yet) Hours ago, actually. It seems to be something of a private joke (see ). Can the author please step forward and explain? ] 13:24, 6 Feb 2004 (UTC)
** Delete. Only two google hits, and neither provides any clue as to what this is. ] 17:22, 6 Feb 2004 (UTC)
**Seems to be an ] thing . Hmm, but hcssim is (and note the yellow pig on the top of the page). I'd say merge somewhere and redirect. But I'm not sure where yet. Keep. List on cleanup. ] 21:59, 6 Feb 2004 (UTC)
***More . You really only got two google hits? You didn't do a very good search. ] 22:05, 6 Feb 2004 (UTC)
**This was already deleted ''21:41, Oct 30, 2003 Angela deleted "Yellow Pig Day" (listed on vfd for 5 days; all real votes to delete) '' ]] 22:04, 6 Feb 2004 (UTC)
***The original was actually better. Apparently this is more popular than we thought. ] 22:07, 6 Feb 2004 (UTC)
****Or the originators are more persistent than some about reposting an in-joke. I vote to delete. ] 22:11, 6 Feb 2004 (UTC)
**I'm the more recent author. Sorry to cause trouble; didn't realize it had been here before; was browsing the deletion-policy-discussion page, saw the paragraph below, and thought to add it. I would be happy for it to be a) merged with a page on yellow pigs , and b) added to a list of "Days" as recommended by Maximus; is there such a list? ] 03:01, 2004 Feb 7 (UTC)


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'''Day Pages''': MrJones asked whether there should be a policy on whether
pages about days (], ] etc) are allowed and whether there
ought to be a separate wiki for them. Maximus Rex explained that such pages
are kept if they concern real verifiable days, and felt a separate wiki for
them may not be useful. He suggested merging them into one page.
**Keep verifiable day pages like this. ] 10:53, 7 Feb 2004 (UTC)
**See also: ]. ]] 11:37, Feb 8, 2004 (UTC)
** If you keep it, you might want to add it to ]. ] 16:43, 9 Feb 2004 (UTC)


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*] - Appears to be patent nonsense. Found via the "random page" link. Only link is from ] (which might help explain part of this garbled message's intent). -- ] 14:10, Feb 6, 2004 (UTC)
**It was posted to the reference desk about 4 days ago. It has no place in an article. I'm deleting. ] 14:12, Feb 6, 2004 (UTC)
**Delete. I've undeleted this to follow due process, because it appeared here first. Please list things like this at ] instead of here. ]


{{tl|VfD-Alt_tv_simpsons}}
*], ], ], ] -- created by a madman. ] 14:14, 6 Feb 2004 (UTC)
**Deleted by the instant nonsense deletion shortcut. The user is warned on his talk page, I will block the IP if he continues. ] 14:18, 6 Feb 2004 (UTC)
***Already done ] 16:04, Feb 6, 2004 (UTC)
**Delete. I've undeleted these to follow due process, because it appeared here first. Please list things like this at ] instead of here. ]


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* ] - This '''is''' an Aztec goddess, but Nina? This is less a Vfd, but a clean-up notice. The original mentioned her favourite colours, even. -- ]


{{tl|VfD-DumbartonHarpFC}}
*] - poem - move to wikibooks? - ] 17:28, 6 Feb 2004 (UTC)


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**Or Wikisource. --] ] 17:30, 6 Feb 2004 (UTC)
***Yes, wikisource. Got that wrong. - ] 17:50, 6 Feb 2004 (UTC)


{{tl|VfD-Sean_Flowers}}
*] - I can't find this as a hyphenated word anywhere on the internet. I think it is two words that are not the exclusive term for female Hobbits and the list of links can be moved to ] - ] 17:50, 6 Feb 2004 (UTC)
** Content has been moved, and this is now a redirect with no links to it. Vote to delete. -- ] 19:24, 6 Feb 2004 (UTC)


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*] - dubious?
**The article or the content? Hapiru (the alternate spelling) gets many legitimate google hits. I see some discussion about the contents but I'm not sure why you list it for deletion. - ] 19:33, 6 Feb 2004 (UTC)
**The page is well written, plausible, but patent nonsense; I suspect that's why it is here. ''Hapiru'' was the Assyrian name for the Hebrews, which makes me suspect some kind of suspect agenda is at work here. The referenced site at the bottom seems to go on about flying saucers and the '']'' Book. (The truth, by contrast, is found in '']''.) -- ] 21:02, 6 Feb 2004 (UTC)


{{tl|VfD-The_Black_and_White_Space_Marine_on_the_Black_and_White_Bike}}
***That link was put in by ] possibly as an attempt to sabbotage. I request the history page is looked at. The topic Habiru is well worthy of a wiki entry why delete? Why not just edit it or re-write it? At least I made an attempt to put something there even if it is considered wrong by those without enough conviction in their own knowledge to edit it. It is a pity some people vdf every time they cannot think how to edit. Must be from terrible insecurity and an act of acknowledgment on their behalf of their self limitations.] 14:37, 7 Feb 2004 (UTC)
**Delete, it is nonsense, like all the other articles created by ]; judging by his user page, he seems to be pushing our buttons. ] 21:54, 6 Feb 2004 (UTC)
** Delete. As others have said, "Habiru" is a real word, and possibly related to "Hebrew", but this article is full of utter nonsense. ] 00:08, 7 Feb 2004 (UTC)
**Owlish fantasy. Delete ] 14:24, 7 Feb 2004 (UTC)
**Delete, unless someone can convince ] to assemble reliable information in a plausable manner. I'd like to try to rescue this entry, but I'm tired of having to deal with his fantasies. -- ] 20:01, 8 Feb 2004 (UTC)
**Keep. The term exists in the corpus, and there is legitimate scholarly debate about who it might refer to. If the current contents are a mismash of fact, speculation-presented-as-fact, and nonsense, then it needs a rewrite, rather than a deletion. ]
***If you do the rewrite, then I'll be happy to change my vote. Just be prepared for ] -- ] 00:42, 10 Feb 2004 (UTC)
**keep. Why delete the history of a people? Whatever version is there at this time is not quite refereed journal material, but is an accurate representation of a widely accepted scholary interpretation of history of Habiru/Abiru and Hebrew people. The veracity of the content easily stands up to comparison with several unrelated pages listed by Google, but is not readily identifiable as being sourced from those pages. It is worded as fact when a tone of academic scepticism about some of the speculation presented there might be more appropriate, but if this site deletes articles for talking out of school, there goes the whole e-book. This is informative original work about a topic in history i've scarecely heard discussed in 40 years. It is certainly no person's fantasy, and it is not nonsense to authors who have published on the topic. What is it doing listed here? ] 04:33, 10 Feb 2004 (UTC)
****Note:] has only 2 edits, both to this page. ]] 04:38, 10 Feb 2004 (UTC)
*****Note: Read794's edit history is interesting, but readily available. Hibaru history is informative, but requires work to accurately compile. ] 016:33, 10 Feb 2004 (UTC)


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*] - delete and move to Wiktionary? - ] 19:39, 6 Feb 2004 (UTC)
**Agreed Wiktionary, but before we move it we'd better correct it - at the moment it is a load of self-reference; it has the secondary meaning of "Rubbish" in every variety of English known to me.
** Also the canine variety has the opposite meaning. ] 22:13, Feb 6, 2004 (UTC)
**shouldn't bollocks redirect to testicle? ] 08:21, 7 Feb 2004 (UTC)
**Keep as the disambiguation page the above discussion shows is appropriate. ] 10:53, 7 Feb 2004 (UTC)
**Keep. Can't hurt. ] 12:15, 7 Feb 2004 (UTC)
**Looks more like a Wiktionary entry to me. Definition(s) and usage. No real encyclopedic content. Links to the page probably should be redirected to ]s. ] 04:32, 8 Feb 2004 (UTC)


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*] - This is more a clean-up request. The article had a vfd notice attached on 18 Dec 2003, then spent some time in the copyvio quarantine and when it got out on 23 Dec 2003 it kept the vfd header, but wasn't deleted. A christmas present? Anyway, it's the source of a poem. Delete or wikisource or just remove the vfd header? ] 21:07, 6 Feb 2004 (UTC)
**Delete and move to wikisource - ] 21:10, 6 Feb 2004 (UTC)
**Wikisource unless drastically cleaned up in the next few days. ] 12:16, 7 Feb 2004 (UTC)


{{tl|VfD-Nalgene}}
*I have been through the ] and while there are some phobias listed that are very common and have some decent articles written about them, the following appear to be little more than definitions and I dispute whether they need to exist separately: ], ], ], ], ], ], ], ]. -- ] 23:16, 6 Feb 2004 (UTC)
**Delete - these are basic dictionary definitions and not articles - ] 23:28, 6 Feb 2004 (UTC)
**Keep - Let them expand when somebody who knows about them finds them. Everything starts as somewhat of a dictionary definition, but I doubt many dictionaries have those in them - ] 23:34, 6 Feb 2004 (UTC)
*** Replacement by redirects will do the same. ] 01:18, 7 Feb 2004 (UTC)
**Merge and redirect or keep. ] 12:17, 7 Feb 2004 (UTC)
**Keep them all, some perhaps as redirects. Keep and expand ] beyond the rewrite I just did - it's a fake phobia, part of the US firearms debate, not a real phobia. ] 16:24, 7 Feb 2004 (UTC)
**Keep them all - They can all be made into useful articles. Though you might want to add stub messages to them. ] 03:00, 10 Feb 2004 (UTC)


=== February 7 === ====]====
*] was written by his obvious sock puppet and is again self promotion.--]] 01:01, 7 Feb 2004 (UTC)
**Keep. Not written by his obvious sock puppet and is not self-promotion. ] 12:21, 7 Feb 2004 (UTC)
***Refer to the page history and look at his userpage. Notice any similarities? Do you not find the contribution history of ] suspicious? --]]
****Suspicious, perhaps. Obvious, no. Contributions should be presumed innocent until proven guilty. ] 20:10, 8 Feb 2004 (UTC)
**Delete. Written by his obvious sock puppet and again self promotion. --] 19:30, Feb 7, 2004 (UTC)
**Comment: I just reverted the edits on by ], who came here to vote keep, but had his comments reverted because he got caught in an edit conflict and didn't bother to merge. Another sock puppet by the same user. Click on "what links here". The degree of self promotion this user is putting in WP is disturbing.--]]
***Comment: Just reverted to my edits that are publically known and should be included in such article, of course, with the VfD message. --] 18:32, 8 Feb 2004 (UTC)
**KEEP. Don't revert keeps (or deletes) when you don't agree. Also, don't manically preach delusive propaganda to bear your decision. ] made a initial request for an article creation for Shaheen Lakhan (). ] agreed and created a redirect until the article was created. I concurred with Willkins and suggested that the current user page (in third person) be moved the article. ] did just that. I and others have since edited the article appropriately. Therefore, ''KEEP'' by Anthropos, Willkins, SOmai, and I. This is certainly not self-promo --] 18:32, 8 Feb 2004 (UTC)
***No, that's "keep" by you alone. If the others you named wish to vote, let them do so. This page has one of the hallmarks of self-promotion: it's a lengthy article on a person who is not especially noteworthy. I say delete or reduce to a stub. --] ] 19:33, 8 Feb 2004 (UTC)
***I suspect that ] and ] are both ]. It's peculiar that the first thing each of you do is to agree on the village pump (agreeing with each other in the process) and then create an article for yourself. User:Kuhn3's addition to the article completely wiped the previous text. Also note that votes originating from those that lack edits aren't counted here.--]] 23:10, 8 Feb 2004 (UTC)
**Comment: I have been edited articles on wiki for a long time, but until recently decided on establishing a user name for the need to make a mark in such forums and respond to Villiage Pump inquiries/requests. However, it seems as if you wish to nullify all votes that you do not agree with. Misplaced Pages is a free and comprehensive encyclopedia and I as well as others feel that certain individuals should have an article, especially when proposed by multiple long-standing members of the wiki community. My voice counts in this vote, for I have actively contributed and have an argument. BTW, I am not Shaheen Lakhan, as Jiang voices her suspicion quite prominently. --] 00:06, 9 Feb 2004 (UTC)
***If you edited here for so long, then why would you change a version that adheres in formatting with the ] to a version that does not? Seasoned wikipedians know how to format their articles and begin with bolded letters. You also changed "External links" to "Links", as is done on ], against WP convention. And what about ] who created the article in the first place? --]]
****Comment: When I performed an essential major edit on the page ], I ADDED the '''bold''' title, as I did with other new articles failing to comply with the manual. However, with the case of links, there was a wiki link and external link, so I just used ''Links'', not inconsistent with the manual. This is enough administrative work; I should get back to the real purpose of Misplaced Pages. --] 05:33, 9 Feb 2004 (UTC)
***No you didnt, it was bolded before - . You added text in front of the bolded name, which is against wiki convention. In what other articles do we have "Links" heading? We usually separate "External links" and "Related topics", per the MoS.--]]
**Keep. I will agree that it appears something fishy is going on as many of the Google hits are somewhat vague and I would guess that it's a result of a tendency to over-represent his connections with prestigious universities. But it is not clear to me that '''the content on the Misplaced Pages page''' it is entirely self-promotion. I don't think there is enough evidence to support deletion. --] 19:54, 2004 Feb 8 (UTC)
**Delete. Not quite important enough for an article. ] 19:40, 9 Feb 2004 (UTC)
**Delete. I think that while the article is accurate and that Lakhan may have done some great things, it doesn't justify having a page yet. ] 10:44, 10 Feb 2004 (UTC)
** Delete: personal promotion. ] 15:07, 10 Feb 2004 (UTC)


{{tl|VfD-Elena_Filatova}}
* ] source dump, doesn't say anything about subject or the variable spelling thereof. ] 01:20, 7 Feb 2004 (UTC)
** Copyvio. The original page ] specifically states:
**This text is part of the Internet Ancient History Sourcebook. The Sourcebook is a collection of public domain and copy-permitted texts related to medieval and Byzantine history.
**Unless otherwise indicated the specific electronic form of the document is copyright. Permission is granted for electronic copying, distribution in print form for educational purposes and personal use. No representation is made about texts which are linked off-site, although in most cases these are also public domain. If you do reduplicate the document, indicate the source. No permission is granted for commercial use.
**© Paul Halsall, August 1998 halsall@murray.fordham.edu
**] 01:31, 7 Feb 2004 (UTC)
***Independent of the merits of the listed article, material in the public domain cannot be "re-copyrighted" simply by putting it into electronic form. Translation copyrights are a different matter. We can and should safely ignore any claims of copyright to public domain content.] 03:29, Feb 7, 2004 (UTC)
***This is a public domain work. The original text dates from 370BCE and this translation is from a work published in 1912-1913. The scan from that work doesn't create a new work in US law because it involves no creativity. ] 16:39, 7 Feb 2004 (UTC)


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**Delete or wikisource. ] 16:49, 8 Feb 2004 (UTC)


{{tl|VfD-Call_of_Duty_United_Offensive}}
* ] - (also "alternative lifestyles") - a seemingly random list of unconnected things, inlcuding, among others, adoption, bisexuality, Baha'i, Atkins diet, wealth and single parenting. The article is wildly non-NPOV, and its factual accuracy is disputed (also by me). Serves no obvious purpose. Delete.
**So far, the factual accuracy has '''only''' (not ''also'') been disputed by ]. Secondly, this list was put on VfD last October and then removed again (but I was unable to retrieve that discussion). There must be a reason for it being removed again. It's the old problem: Whenever someone discovers a page the whole procedure may start all over again. Thirdly, how can anyone be so strict and draw conclusions from unfinished sentences? Keep. ] 04:06, 7 Feb 2004 (UTC)
**What I meant was that ''in addition'' to listing the article for deletion I have ''also'' disputed its factual accuracy. Sorry, don't understand your third point; could you clarify? ]
**I'll do that on the ]. ]
**Delete. Seems like it's inherently POV as to what goes in such a list. Since I doubt the list is particuarly useful, it's more trouble than it's worth so get rid of it. ] 10:43, 7 Feb 2004 (UTC)
**Surely we can define lifestyles in an NPOV way. Keep. ] 12:26, 7 Feb 2004 (UTC)


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* ] - sub stub --] 08:09, 7 Feb 2004 (UTC)
**Keep stub. ] 12:31, 7 Feb 2004 (UTC)


{{tl|VfD-Political_terrorism}}
*] ambiguous title, almost no content --]] 09:16, 7 Feb 2004 (UTC)
**Merge with Blackalicious and delete (we don't need the history, as it's public domain information). ] 12:33, 7 Feb 2004 (UTC)
**Delete. The title has nothing to do with the content. ] 01:56, 9 Feb 2004 (UTC)


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*] --> wiktionary ] 09:27, 7 Feb 2004 (UTC)
**Keep as stub. Allow to grow. ] 12:34, 7 Feb 2004 (UTC)


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**Can this ever go beyond a dicdef? I vote delete. ] 16:34, 7 Feb 2004 (UTC)
**Keep. Good subject, good stub. Just BTW, I'll add the VfD notice. ] 19:47, 7 Feb 2004 (UTC)
**Move to Wiktionary in its current form.]


===May 24===
*] Looks like a personal page ] 13:02, 7 Feb 2004 (UTC)
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**Keep. Doesn't look like a personal page. ] 15:02, 7 Feb 2004 (UTC)
**I feel really bad about this one. She's not an encyclopedia subject, but she certainly deserves to be remembered somewhere. Wikimorial and delete. ] 16:34, 7 Feb 2004 (UTC)
**This was already listed in VfD back in May, 2003 (see ]). I supported deletion, but there were not enough votes to delete. ] 21:41, 7 Feb 2004 (UTC)
**Not encyclopaedic - are we to have a page on every kid who's ever comitted suicide? What makes Sarah different? Delete. (Also support move to Wikimemorial) ] 23:07, 8 Feb 2004 (UTC)
**Delete. Sad, but not encyclopedic. ] 01:03, 9 Feb 2004 (UTC)


{{tl|VfD-Social_surplus}}
*]. Moved to ].


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* ], ], ], ], ], ] - The talk: page for agnosticism was getting long and someone tried solving that by splitting it up into subpages based on topic. I've since created a conventional "archive"-type solution, so all this text is duplicated there: Talk:Agnosticism/Archive 1. ] 16:02, 7 Feb 2004 (UTC)


{{tl|VfD-Expression_engine}}
*] - an empty list ] 16:11, 7 Feb 2004 (UTC)
**Would've been great if it was just a completely empty page, but sadly, no.] 16:26, Feb 7, 2004 (UTC)
**Keep. It's linked to from a lot of places. Just because it isn't currently up to date doesn't mean it will never be. It's a useful page. ]] 10:03, Feb 8, 2004 (UTC)
***Why shouldn't blank pages be listed on vfd or cleanup (or unblanked directly), instead of taking the extra step of listing here? What is the use? ] 16:27, 8 Feb 2004 (UTC)


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*] - As far as I can tell this is a made up word. I can't see any reference to it on the web except in sites that have copied Misplaced Pages content. -- ] 16:29, 7 Feb 2004 (UTC)
** Delete, same reasons as above. -] 20:20, Feb 7, 2004 (UTC)


{{tl|VfD-The_egg_and_the_chicken_problem}}
*] This material is thoroughly covered and more easily findable at any of the establish "Alien visitation"-type entries. Delete ] 17:22, 7 Feb 2004 (UTC)
** Keep as a redirect to one of those established "alien visitation"-type entries. ] 19:01, 7 Feb 2004 (UTC)
** Delete misspelled and redundant page; at least convert to redirect. --] 19:25, 7 Feb 2004 (UTC)
** Del; mv'ed info to ]'s bio. ]


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*] and ] - these were created when ] had disagreements about the article ]. Lir was in the middle of a hard ban from[REDACTED] and was using the name ''Pizza Puzzle''. Neither of these pages serve a purpose anymore. ] 21:36, 7 Feb 2004 (UTC)


{{tl|VfD-Vince_Buffalo}}
*] Page no longer used or updated. -- ] 23:21, 7 Feb 2004 (UTC)
** When the server is happier maybe it should be updated. ] 23:44, Feb 7, 2004 (UTC)
***But now that the <nowiki>{{msg:stub}}</nowiki> tag is more widely known is this page really needed? -- ] 13:56, 8 Feb 2004 (UTC)
*** Yes because there are still many that haven't got the msg, and it's easier to add now. ] 15:56, Feb 8, 2004 (UTC)
**(No vote). I will updated it once a new (and fairly recent) SQL dump is available. In the meantime, we could delete/blank the page, or just remove the entries for listings that say "has msg". Personally, I prefer the last solution. -- User:Docu


=== February 8 === ====]====
*] subject only has 344 google hits (wikipedia no. 3), looks like self promotion. --]] 02:27, 8 Feb 2004 (UTC)
**Keep. Subject has 344 google hits. Doesn't look like self-promotion. ] 03:30, 8 Feb 2004 (UTC)
***My name registers 30000 google hits (probably none really referring to me). What's the threshold for inclusion? --]]
****Verifiability. Encyclopedic subject. NPOVable topic. ] 16:13, 8 Feb 2004 (UTC)
*****All three? Since when have obscure subject found their way into enyclopedias? Should I create a website about myself and usethat to satisfy the verfibility req? --]]
******Since Misplaced Pages. A website about yourself does not satisfy verifiability. Being named one of Cincinnati's "Next Influentials" by Cincinatti Citybeat does. ] 03:24, 10 Feb 2004 (UTC)
**Delete. Looks like self-promotion. --] 03:33, Feb 8, 2004 (UTC)
**Delete, self-promotion/vanity. ]] 04:18, 8 Feb 2004 (UTC)
**Keep. Ditto with Anthony. --] 08:00, Feb 8, 2004 (UTC)
**Ambivalent. This is about as grey-area as it gets. Not famous, but not totally obscure. My instinct says that he himself probably created the page. This is a hard call to make. ] 09:05, Feb 8, 2004 (UTC)
**Delete. Self-promotion. ] 00:57, 9 Feb 2004 (UTC)
**Delete. Nonfam. --]
** Delete: personal promotion. ] 15:04, 10 Feb 2004 (UTC)


{{tl|VfD-ThePress}}
*] (seems too minor for an encyclopedia entry) ]'''] 03:41, 8 Feb 2004 (UTC)
** Keep. Consistent with previous entry ]. (insofar as the school has enough sufficiently well known alumni) ] 04:02, 8 Feb 2004 (UTC)
** Ditto. --] 08:00, Feb 8, 2004 (UTC)
**Keep. Doesn't seem too minor for an electronic encyclopedia entry. Misplaced Pages is not paper. ] 16:24, 8 Feb 2004 (UTC)


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*] seems made up. . ]]
** Delete. 1 Google hit is never a good thing. --] 08:00, Feb 8, 2004 (UTC)
**Polemical and probably made up. Delete. ] 09:27, 8 Feb 2004 (UTC)
**Delete; not notable. -] 18:06, 8 Feb 2004 (UTC)
** Delete. Only found one google hit, it refered to a Mr Parsons who was contributing to that thread. ] 19:51, Feb 8, 2004 (UTC)


{{WP:Votes for deletion/Guff}}
*] no google hits, by same person as parson. ]'''] 03:58, 8 Feb 2004 (UTC)
**Delete. seems made up. ]] 04:14, 8 Feb 2004 (UTC)
** Delete. 0 Google hits is even worse! --] 08:00, Feb 8, 2004 (UTC)
**Same as Parson's razor, above. Delete. ] 09:29, 8 Feb 2004 (UTC)
** Delete; not notable. -] 18:06, 8 Feb 2004 (UTC)
** Delete. I've found 1 google hit, but certainly idiosyncratic. ] 19:51, Feb 8, 2004 (UTC)


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*] idiosyncratic or made up art term. No google hits not related to[REDACTED] . ]]
** Delete. 0 Google hits is even worse! --] 08:00, Feb 8, 2004 (UTC)
** I have given this cite over and over and over again. Read the book ''Surrealist Experiences'' by Penelope Rosemont. I am getting sick of the ignoring of offline cites followed by the assertion about a lack of online references. --] 16:17, 8 Feb 2004 (UTC)
**Keep until cite can be checked. ] 16:21, 8 Feb 2004 (UTC)
**Delete. Non-important, non-famous. --] 01:06, 9 Feb 2004 (UTC).
**delete fantasy.--]]
***The level of dishonesty and disingenuity is reaching a very high level. Clearly this is not a &quot;fantasy&quot;; I've given a cite for it. Through there is a lot of valuable information on the World Wide Web as searched by Google (Google doesn't index everything) if Misplaced Pages is going to be reduced to a regurgitation of the information indexed by Google it is going to be of very little value. I would ask again for people to look up this cite and then make a judgment. --] 15:11, 9 Feb 2004 (UTC)
****I however have searched several dozen art journals, Lexis-Nexis and several major databases of art criticism. All of which have turned up zilch. Far too minor to count as famous or important.--] 16:47, 9 Feb 2004 (UTC)
*****As you are essentially saying that you will not look up the reference I've provided, I question the validity of your vote. If you are going to look up the reference I've provided and ''then'' come to this conclusion, o.k. --] 18:21, 9 Feb 2004 (UTC)
******I don't personally doubt that this is referenced in the book you cited. However, that raises the question of whether that is enough. Should we document everything that has ever been published in a book? For art techniques, I would think having at least a passing mention in one of the art journals would be a good threshold, which this doesn't seem to have. --] 06:45, Feb 10, 2004 (UTC)
*******To describe ] as "art techniques" and to think that they should be mentioned in art journals is to fundamentally misinterpret surrealism as an artistic movement, which it is not. Techniques of surrealist investigation, automatic techniques, are not supposed to be artistic in nature, and the bleeding edge of this are (at least some of the) "surautomatic" techniques such as ] and the ], which were deliberately conceived (see the article on ]) as "scientific" techniques, not artistic or pictorial; i.e. they were conceived to deliberately minimise or even eliminate the role of the artist, eliminate the possible role of aesthetics, and replace it by scientifically rigorous methods of making, for lack of a better word, images. You may still find these surrealist techniques to be unimportant, but I'm saying that looking them up in an art journal is the wrong way to go. --] 13:53, 10 Feb 2004 (UTC)
*******Daniel, a question. To what end to surrealists perform these tchniques if not to create art objects that might be displayed in galleries and, if at all possible, sold?
********They are not all created for this reason, far from it. I think, actually, the objects created by the surautomatic methods (this does not include the alchemigram but I'm answering your question as well as I can) are far less often created for display or sale in galleries than by any other methods. They were never conceived to be "art" -- the only reason they would be called "art" is for the lack of a better term, because they're doing something visual -- and if you read the ] article with its excerpt from Luca or Trost you will hopefully get some sense of this. -] 14:28, 10 Feb 2004 (UTC)
*********Daniel. Thanks for pointing me to the quote in the ] article. I note that Luca and Trost refer to "establishing a clear distinction between images produced by artistic means and images resulting from rigorously applied scientific procedures, such as the operation of chance or of automatism". Two observations: chance and automatism are '''not''' scientific procedures and the actual production of images by the application of science would be photography and film, both of which can achieve the status of art. The cry of ''scientific technique'' was a constant with the 20th century ''avant garde'' (viz Pound on poetry, for example) and generally results from a failure to understand the scientific method. None of which affects my view that a single cite in a single book by a single artist is not enough to render something encyclopaedic. ] 14:52, 10 Feb 2004 (UTC)
*******They are no more scientific that the careful mixing of oils or casting of bronze. If the intention is to make art, they are art techniques.
********But with surrealist techniques in general the intention is not to make art. And the surautomatic techniques are wildly different from "careful mixing of oils"; they are letting liquid drip down a vertical surface with a minimum of control by the practitioner; they are making dots at the sites of impurities in a blank sheet of paper and then making lines between the dots; they are cutting an image into squares and then reassembling the squares at random. Comparing these to casting bronzes is bizarre to me. --] 14:28, 10 Feb 2004 (UTC)
*******And I cannot see how a single cite in a single book by a single artist means that the technique is sufficiently well-known to warrant entry in an encyclopaedia. ] 14:19, 10 Feb 2004 (UTC)
**Delete, insufficently important. ] 14:19, 10 Feb 2004 (UTC)
** Delete: idiosyncratic. ] 15:04, 10 Feb 2004 (UTC)


{{WP:Votes for deletion/Chung_Ling_Record}}
*The following pages have a VfD notice on their talk page. They were added by an anon user, who presumably didn't understand the process of VfD. Please vote on the talk page to save moving all the discussion here (especially as VfD was over 100kb at the time I listed these). ]] 10:11, Feb 8, 2004 (UTC)
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*] - former owner of a web site - not famous. ] 11:54, Feb 8, 2004 (UTC)
**Keep. Former owner of a web site. Famous. ] 16:16, 8 Feb 2004 (UTC)
**Delete. Or does owning website qualify for 15 words of Misplaced Pages fame? ] 16:32, 8 Feb 2004 (UTC)
**Delete. ] 16:56, 8 Feb 2004 (UTC)
**Delete. ] 17:01, 8 Feb 2004 (UTC)
**Delete; not notable. -] 18:06, 8 Feb 2004 (UTC)
**His website is well-known, but he is not. Delete. ] 00:30, 9 Feb 2004 (UTC)
**Delete, not notable, and article is a substub. ] 01:11, 9 Feb 2004 (UTC)
**delete, nonfamous--]]
**Delete: ] ] 09:57, 9 Feb 2004 (UTC)
** Delete: not famous. ] 15:04, 10 Feb 2004 (UTC)


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*] - person who works for CNet. Not famous. ] 11:55, Feb 8, 2004 (UTC)
**Keep. Person who works for CNet. Famous. ] 16:16, 8 Feb 2004 (UTC)
*** It's known that you believe every person should have a page, whether they're famous or not. So why pretend that this person is famous when that is not the case? ] 17:46, 8 Feb 2004 (UTC)
****I'm not pretending. This person is famous. ] 18:24, 8 Feb 2004 (UTC)
**Delete. Or does working for well-known website qualify for 15 words of Misplaced Pages fame? ] 16:32, 8 Feb 2004 (UTC)
**Delete. ] 16:56, 8 Feb 2004 (UTC)
**Irrelevant. Delete. ] 16:58, 8 Feb 2004 (UTC)
**Delete. - ] 17:01, 8 Feb 2004 (UTC)
**Delete; not notable. -] 18:06, 8 Feb 2004 (UTC)
**delete, nonfamous--]]
**Delete: ] ] 09:57, 9 Feb 2004 (UTC)
** Delete: WP is not the phone book. ] 15:04, 10 Feb 2004 (UTC)


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*OK, I am going to seem crass here, but ] and ] should be deleted. It is terrible that thousands of kids are abducted each year, but this is not the place to document each and everyone of them. ] 17:52, 8 Feb 2004 (UTC)
** Agreed. Loads of kids are killed every year. One for wikimemorial if people feel the need to write about them. ] 17:57, Feb 8, 2004 (UTC)
** Delete. People who were not famous in their lives do not become famous (and therefore encyclopædic) upon their deaths, unless they have a particularly unusual or record-setting death (e.g., ]). Let's keep articles (at least long ones) on run-of-the-mill victims off Misplaced Pages. -] 18:06, 8 Feb 2004 (UTC)
***Reminds me of the Gashleycrumb Tinnies. ] 18:29, Feb 8, 2004 (UTC)
***No vote... but that's ''tinies''. ] 10:04, 9 Feb 2004 (UTC)
**Keep. This was national news. ] was famous before her death. ] probably was too. ] 18:26, 8 Feb 2004 (UTC)
** National news in one country. And famous as they were abducted I presume. They weren't famous before that, surely. I presume they are just cute, white American kids (as I understand that cute, black American kids who are murdered tend not to make the US news) ] 18:30, Feb 8, 2004 (UTC)
***National news in the one country where the majority of the readers live. And yes, they were famous before they died. As for your racist remarks, we shouldn't exclude people from Misplaced Pages just because they're white. ] 18:45, 8 Feb 2004 (UTC)
** Keep. <s>Remove from Misplaced Pages. (I follow the news, and ive only heard of the Runyon person, but neither deserve their own articles.) </s>]'''] 18:40, 8 Feb 2004 (UTC)
***I happen to live in Tampa, Florida, so the fact that ] is the only thing I've been hearing about for the past week probably doesn't mean much. ] 18:45, 8 Feb 2004 (UTC)
**Another one you might want to look at is ]. ] 19:01, 8 Feb 2004 (UTC)
***Thats totally different. There is probably a better example. ]'''] 19:29, 8 Feb 2004 (UTC)
****How is it different? They're all people famous for crimes committed against them. ] 19:32, 8 Feb 2004 (UTC)
****It is different in that OJ Simpson was a major US Football player and Mrs. Simpson was part of that story. This content might do better in an article on child abducton. ] 01:04, 9 Feb 2004 (UTC)
**Keep. Information is verifiable and factual and of interest to readers who care about famous crime cases. Eventually Misplaced Pages should have a lot more information on crimes than commercial sites such as . Of course it's important to limit the content of these articles to the factual and verifiable. However, the suggestion to move this page to the memorial wiki is misleading -- the memorial wiki is intended for personal tributes and comments, not for factual, verifiable information about deceased persons.] 19:11, Feb 8, 2004 (UTC)
** Keep. My responses earlier were cultural and filled with the fear that the US media was a determiner of encyclopedic quality. If these sort of articles are important to Americans then of course keep. I mustn't judge you by my less sentimental culture. Apologies. ] 19:57, Feb 8, 2004 (UTC)
***Chronicling these cases is important to find out what drives the killers, what their social background is and so forth, which is of course essential to prevent further crimes. That, I would say, is not "sentimental" at all. However, under the present titles one of course expects articles about the person being murdered, which indeed raises suspicion about their relevance in an encyclopedia. Perhaps a title like ] would be helpful to avoid this; then again, it is more cumbersome.] 20:44, Feb 8, 2004 (UTC)
** Keep. Here's a good test -- if we deleted this article, would we reasonably expect it to be recreated often? If the answer is yes, then I think it's a keeper. These are folks who will probably have a lasting legacy and will be referenced by the media, politicians, legislators and activists in the future, so we should include them. (Note that this is subtly different than the constant debate here over the 9/11 victims or Iraq War casualties, where certain individuals may pass this test too, but not all.)
***The child abductions that have '''lasting legacies''' I've changed accordingly. For example, ''Polly Klaas'' has been moved to ], ''Megan Kanka'' was moved to ] (but has since been moved back) and ''Laura Kate Smither'' has been moved to ]. These articles now focus on the legacy, while still containing the crime information. ] 23:40, 8 Feb 2004 (UTC)
****I appreciate the intent, but I think that particular approach is problematic; the title focuses on one outcome (foundation, recovery center) while ignoring other aspects of the case (the offender and their background, the media coverage, the victim etc.). If a broad title is desired, I would suggest something like ].]
** Delete. Misplaced Pages is not a morgue; that is, it is neither 1. A place in which the bodies of persons found dead are kept, nor 2.A reference file in a newspaper or magazine office. If these sad deaths lead to something of encyclopedic importance the article can be written when it occurs. ] 02:17, 9 Feb 2004 (UTC)
*** If anything, isn't this '''exactly''' what Misplaced Pages is for? It fills in the knowledge gap that has traditionally existed between newspapers (breaking news) and the history books. Misplaced Pages is already a very widely used reference (top 1000 most popular web sites and topping all other online encyclopedias). It is a place where the information of accumulated news events can be compiled, written about and told in a comprehensive and succinct way. I am sympathetic to the fact that pretty white teens from middle class families get media coverage, and lower class minority girls who are murdered are largely ignored. But that's a larger problem than what to include here and now. And for now, these names are in the media ecology, and they should be here as well, in one form or another. Eloquence and Kingturtle's suggestions about naming the articles about the events and implications, rather than the personality, seems like the best idea. ] 02:40, 9 Feb 2004 (UTC)
** Keep. And with the original names. I meant for them to be biographical pages, but how much else can one write about a 5 year old and an 11 year old whose lives were cut short?. I meant them as biographies, and what is known about the victims is basically all that is there. ] and ] reached celebrity before their tragic deaths, and not only that, encyclopedias are supposed to educate people. White, Black, Hispanic, Indian, Arabian, boy, girl, whatever, this are cases that shall be known about by the general public because children worldwide are in danger. If we delete or change the names of these articles, then we might as well do the same with the article of the king who was killed six days after birth. Whats the difference? I know my comment might create some controversy, but hey Im the man who went and got himself a ] style hat today so controversy surrounds me, it finds me and I look for it..LOL keep, and without changing the names. '']''
**Keep. Verifable information that ought to be around once the press have gone. (Side note, news of this case was not restricted to the local news: it received a small segment on the UK news). Further there are plenty of precedents for keeping this material - British readers may like to consider this article in the same light as they would ] - a not dissimilar tragedy that occured in Britain. ] ] 13:48, 9 Feb 2004 (UTC)
**Keep. Verifiable and encyclopedic. Deleting these would set a poor precedent for Misplaced Pages's comprehensiveness. - ] 14:56, 9 Feb 2004 (UTC)


{{tl|VfD-Iraq_Liberation_Act}}
* ] was moved from ] per the example set in ] that was used to delete . Criticisms of Anti-Scientific Viewpoints is nothing but a tirade on why some people are imagined to hold anti-scientific viewpoints. Long angry speeches, usually of a censorious or denunciatory nature, that is a diatribe, like this article have no place in an encyclopedia. -- ] 18:43, 8 Feb 2004 (UTC)
** Keep. The proposer would appear to have redacted opinions with which he does not agree from ] into this separate article, and now wants those opinions deleted altogether. Please don't use VfD to censor opinions you don't like. -- ] | ] 20:15, 8 Feb 2004 (UTC)
*** Then kindly restructure the text to remove the tirade. was deleted for the same reason that this article should go. -- ] 20:49, 8 Feb 2004 (UTC)
**** (no vote) This page is for discussing current deletion votes only. Please take disputes about articles to the relevant talk page. Thanks! -- ] | ] 20:55, 8 Feb 2004 (UTC)
**Keep for the moment. More antics of a single-issue activist, who seems to be the only editor of this particular page, including creating it and listing it for deletion. ] 09:51, 9 Feb 2004 (UTC)
**Merge back into ] and then delete. ] 09:55, 9 Feb 2004 (UTC)
**Delete. Not factual and not encyclopedic. ] 06:38, 10 Feb 2004 (UTC)


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*] - another WTC victim I came across. ] 20:34, 8 Feb 2004 (UTC)
** I've moved it to sep11. -- ] 20:46, 8 Feb 2004 (UTC)
**Keep. ] 20:55, 8 Feb 2004 (UTC)
**Move to sep11 and delete. --] ] 20:58, 8 Feb 2004 (UTC)
**Del. --] 21:00, Feb 8, 2004 (UTC)
** As moved can now be deleted. ] 21:04, Feb 8, 2004 (UTC)
**Might also want to look at ], ], ], ], and ]
***], who didn't feel it was necessary to sign that comment]
**isnt chief at least semi-important? keep unless im persuaded otherwise.--]]


{{tl|VfD-SchneersonQuotes}}
*] - I've taken care of all the subpages listed on there, so now I think we should also delete that page. -- ] 20:43, 8 Feb 2004 (UTC)
**Agree to delete but leave it a few days in case anyone not around at the weekend wants to read the discussion. -- ] 23:00, 8 Feb 2004 (UTC)
**I've moved the discussion to ] instead. I only created the ] page as a temporary place to list the subpages because VfD was too large. ]] 02:36, Feb 9, 2004 (UTC)


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*], ], ], ] - talk pages no longer required, better delete in case other users have the same locations -- ] 21:03, 8 Feb 2004 (UTC)
**talk pages should be set up to automatically self destruct after one year of no editing. Sometimes, it might be useful to refer to a user's talk page if he has a history of vandalism and was banned before. Unless these can be shown to be dynamic, I vote to keep for at least a few months. --]] 23:12, 8 Feb 2004 (UTC)
***I'm very glad you brought that up, ]. I've been wondering about that a lot, each time I put some "suggestive" comment on an anonymous page after vandalism, thinking I'm going to freak someone else out later.-- ] 00:34, 9 Feb 2004 (UTC)


{{WP:Votes for deletion/Yayhooray}}
*] - promotion of website - content: <i>"Superficially, this site looks like a set of FAQs about a novel that I wrote entitled QUICKSILVER. As time goes on, we hope that it will develop into something a little more than that. We don't know how it will come out. It's an experiment."</i> and a link - ] 23:19, 8 Feb 2004 (UTC)
**Keep, ] is a famous sci-fi author and this is a wiki experiment accompanying his latest book. Our article is crappy so far but I'd list it on cleanup instead of deleting it.] 02:51, Feb 9, 2004 (UTC)
**Delete. Does the fact that he is well known make any difference? It's never good to write wiki articles about yourself, maybe someone should move contents to page about the writer or turn it into an article ''about'' the website. ] 04:41, 2004 Feb 9 (UTC)
***I've moved the article in this direction. ] ] 15:08, 9 Feb 2004 (UTC)
**Keep. It's already on ], use this page to describe it better and link there from ]. --] 09:39, Feb 9, 2004 (UTC)
**Delete: ] ] 09:55, 9 Feb 2004 (UTC)
***I think this one be re-worked away from vanity. Keep, keep a tab on the article at cleanup. ] ] 15:08, 9 Feb 2004 (UTC)
** Delete: advertising for Stephenson's new book. Pretty crass. ] 15:04, 10 Feb 2004 (UTC)


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*] - vanity page? ] 00:09, 9 Feb 2004 (UTC)
**Delete - vanity - ] 15:25, 9 Feb 2004 (UTC)
** Delete: vanity. ] 15:16, 10 Feb 2004 (UTC)


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*] - reads like a copyvio, but I can't find where it's copied from. But what does the article have to do with the title? ] 00:16, 9 Feb 2004 (UTC)
**Keep (unless its made up). If theres no evidence that its a copyvio then its best to assume that it isn't. The article seems to be about an r&b group called Guy, so perfectly relevant to the title. ] 01:21, 9 Feb 2004 (UTC)
**Keep - ] 15:25, 9 Feb 2004 (UTC)


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*] - <strike>just an ad. Same anonymous user is adding references to the same organization in other articles. </strike> ] 00:37, 9 Feb 2004 (UTC)
**Spoke too soon. User is still editing it. May turn into a useful article. But I'm wary of NPOV problems, so watch this article. ] 00:44, 9 Feb 2004 (UTC)


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*] - Advert. ] 04:27, 2004 Feb 9 (UTC)
**Delete. I added the VfD nore. ] 13:08, 9 Feb 2004 (UTC)
**Keep, file on cleanup (cf overeating, above). A google for "greysheeters" finds quite a lot of stuff, from disparate sources. A variant on "overeaters anonymous". -- ] | ] 14:43, 9 Feb 2004 (UTC)
**Keep. Not advert. ] 11:17, 10 Feb 2004 (UTC)


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*] - dicdef. --] 00:46, 9 Feb 2004 (UTC)
**Wiktionary. (So refreshing to see something that actually belongs here). ] 00:49, 9 Feb 2004 (UTC)
**Delete - move to wiktionary - ] 15:25, 9 Feb 2004 (UTC)
**No. Keep. There must be thousands of articles like this one here in Misplaced Pages, and we don't want to (?????!?) get rid of all of them. ] 20:23, 9 Feb 2004 (UTC)
***Why not? ] 22:29, 9 Feb 2004 (UTC)


=== May 25 ===
* ] is a duplicate of ] 00:52, 9 Feb 2004 (UTC)
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**Merge, than make one one into a redirect to the other. (Btw, did it finish in 1735 like the first one says or 1738 like the second one says.) ] 01:21, 9 Feb 2004 (UTC)
** Fighting ended in 1735, but a formal treaty wasnt signed until 1738. (kind of like Korea)


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*] - what is this? a name? --]] 01:40, 9 Feb 2004 (UTC)
**Keep. Now a redirect to ] ] 12:51, 9 Feb 2004 (UTC)


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*] - not encyclopedic ] 03:27, 9 Feb 2004 (UTC)
** Keep. Misplaced Pages has loads of articles on numbers (], ]), deleting this would mean deleting all. Also, this article is part of ] ] 04:37, 2004 Feb 9 (UTC)
***] is not a number. ] 04:46, 9 Feb 2004 (UTC)
** Keep. Although the smallest time unit with meaningul content is currently ], there is real work being done in zeptosecond physics that could be referenced here. - ] 14:52, 9 Feb 2004 (UTC)
**Delete - currently not encyclopedic. - ] 15:25, 9 Feb 2004 (UTC)
**Keep- its only a matter of time before it gets filled in. Don't break up series requiring them to be later reconstructed. ] 16:29, Feb 9, 2004 (UTC)
***The whole series should be moved to a single page. ] 22:30, 9 Feb 2004 (UTC)
**Delete. Break series if there is no content. It can always be reconstructed. --] 16:48, 9 Feb 2004 (UTC)
**Keep. A timewasting nomination, by someone too lazy to bother putting on the VfD notice on the page. -- ] | ] 17:03, 9 Feb 2004 (UTC)


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*] - this entry seems entirely to describe for a hypothetical "license" that doesn't seem to have ever been used anywhere else. The only references to it on Google are its Web page, the Misplaced Pages entry, mirrors thereof (some to an older wiki version), and a couple people's links lists. &mdash;]
** Delete, please. ] 04:32, 2004 Feb 9 (UTC)
** Delete - fictional - ] 15:25, 9 Feb 2004 (UTC)


==== ] and ] ====
*] -- slang definition. ] ] 04:42, 9 Feb 2004 (UTC)
**Move to wiktionary, and maybe send Wik along with it? Or are we allowed to do that? ]] 04:45, 9 Feb 2004 (UTC)
**Agree with Pakaran on both counts. ] 04:46, 9 Feb 2004 (UTC)
**Comment about ] moved to the ]. ] 22:40, 9 Feb 2004 (UTC)
**Since when is "slang definition" a reason for deletion? Just as with the term '']'', a whole (sub-)culture is hiding behind '']''. Read ]'s book(s) before putting such words on VfD. And of course there is also a novel by ] entitled '']''. ] 12:36, 9 Feb 2004 (UTC)
** Delete - Wiktionary is the place for slang definitions - ] 15:25, 9 Feb 2004 (UTC)
**Agree, delete. ] 15:31, 9 Feb 2004 (UTC)
**Wow, great arguments you've got here. I'm impressed. By the way, could you refer me/us to that part of Misplaced Pages policy where it says that slang has no place in Misplaced Pages? Because if that's true, I'll nominate ]. ] 18:39, 9 Feb 2004 (UTC)
***It's not the slang part that's a problem. It's the dictionary definition part. See ]. ]
***Oh, that's fine with me. So let's nominate ], which consists solely of dictionary definitions. ] 22:44, 9 Feb 2004 (UTC)
****Apparently you didn't see ]. ] 22:57, 9 Feb 2004 (UTC)
***Believe me, a cryptic reference to another page that contains lots and lots of ideas, guidelines, rules, etc. is '''not''' (let me repeat this: '''not''') an argument. You seem to have three other "arguments" at your disposal which you use in a random fashion: "dictionary definition", "slang", and "encyclopaedic" (see ] below). ] 23:06, 9 Feb 2004 (UTC)
**** Once again. Brash fighting on the delete page. ] is an entry entirely devoted to a definition of a word (let's ignore &quot;slang&quot; here). That violates the &quot;wikipedia is not a dictionary&quot; on the page that Anthony mentions above. Baseball slang is an encyclopedic entry that talks about how slang has affected American language, and then lists examples. Now, it is perhaps not the best written prose, but it is encyclopedic, not a straight dictionary entry. Move ] to wiki- dictionary, and delete. ] 00:52, Feb 10, 2004 (UTC)
****I wasn't making an argument. The argument is already made at ] and ]. I've never used "slang" as justification for a deletion. As for my use of "encyclopedic," I think regular contributors will know what I mean. If you don't, I encourage you to stick around for a while and see. There's a lot of shorthand notation that goes around on these pages. I'm sorry if I was brash. ] 01:03, 10 Feb 2004 (UTC)
**Keep. Over time I think this could become an extremely encyclopedic article on a cultural archetype that has a lot more behind it than a simple dictionary definition. --] 01:07, 10 Feb 2004 (UTC)
**Delete. Wiktionary. KF: The Baseball Slang article isn't very good, but falls into the "lists" category (which is my vote below). ] 01:44, 10 Feb 2004 (UTC)
** Keep: literary term. ] 15:16, 10 Feb 2004 (UTC)


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*] - can this ever be a useful article? Is there something it could be redirected to? - ] 05:10, Feb 9, 2004 (UTC)
**Delete - Wiktionary - ] 15:25, 9 Feb 2004 (UTC)
**Agree, delete. ] 15:31, 9 Feb 2004 (UTC)
**Possible article (though it should be 'computer control') but not this one. Delete. ] 15:51, 9 Feb 2004 (UTC)


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*], ], ], ], ] - Classic patent nonsense created by same user. Be aware ] will yield Google hits based on a real physics use of the <strike>term</strike> words in that particular order. - ] 09:44, 9 Feb 2004 (UTC)
**Please delete the lot. ] 13:08, 9 Feb 2004 (UTC)
**Delete - fictional science - ] 15:25, 9 Feb 2004 (UTC)
**]. Delete. --] ] 18:08, 9 Feb 2004 (UTC)
** ] : <strike>Del</strike> Keep ; ] : <strike>Del</strike> Keep ; ] : <strike>No-vote</strike> Keep ] ]; ] : Keep , ] : <strike>Del</strike> Keep ... ]
** Delete (the lot). Original research. ] 03:13, 10 Feb 2004 (UTC)
**Delete as original reasearch. ] 04:13, 10 Feb 2004 (UTC)
** Delete all: crankery. ] 15:16, 10 Feb 2004 (UTC)


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*], ] - vanity ] 16:18, 9 Feb 2004 (UTC)
**Delete - vanity - added missing VfD tag to ] - ] 16:39, 9 Feb 2004 (UTC)
**Delete] ] 16:41, 9 Feb 2004 (UTC)
**Delete. Articles are written in first person and are clearly ]. ] 18:02, 9 Feb 2004 (UTC)
**Keep and list on cleanup. ] 22:25, 9 Feb 2004 (UTC)
** Delete: vanity. ] 15:16, 10 Feb 2004 (UTC)


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*] - a mere list of external links -- ] 17:12, 9 Feb 2004 (UTC)
**Keep - extremely useful list of links that does not seem to exist elsewhere - Many are live news feeds. - ] 18:06, 9 Feb 2004 (UTC)
** Delete. Misplaced Pages is not a webdirectory. Besides, links are not persistent things. Who will maintain their up-to-dateness? A robot must be set up. It is pretty frustrating to walk thru a list of valuable links only to find out half of them are dead. ] 02:22, 10 Feb 2004 (UTC)
**Keep (reluctantly) as possibly useful in creating an encyclopedia. ] 04:16, 10 Feb 2004 (UTC)
** Delete: WP is not a web directory. Links are too ephemeral. ] 15:16, 10 Feb 2004 (UTC)


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*] - an example but no content or explanation - ] 17:28, 9 Feb 2004 (UTC)
** Delete. It's also an exact copy from the site it lists in ext. links ("DikuMud Heirarchy (c)1995-2000 Derek Snider"). --] 17:54, 9 Feb 2004 (UTC)
** Delete, for same reasons as above. ] 18:02, 9 Feb 2004 (UTC)
** Its fate should be the same as ]. I vote to merge them. ] 02:41, 10 Feb 2004 (UTC)
*** I disagree: Dikumud should stay regardless, but it should be at ] instead (currently a duplicate substub). --] 03:21, 10 Feb 2004 (UTC)
**** I fail to see your logic. If dikumud stays, then its tree definitely belongs there, regardless external links. ] 16:50, 10 Feb 2004 (UTC)
***** I fail to agree that the post should be deleted. I think it was a harsh decision to vote it down in the first place, when an edit may have been in order. Since &quot;Dikumud&quot; is not its derivatives, putting it on the Dikumud entry doesn't make sense. The &quot;MUD Family Tree&quot; entered into the public domain in 1993, and was posted on rec.games.mud.diku and is considered the public domain, and is NOT copyrighted to Derek Snider, as the page it is from indicates, as this was an adaptation from a previously released copy, which was copied and constructed. In fact, I believe the original tree changed hands many times before being &quot;Claimed&quot; (unlawfully) by Derek Snider, if that was his intent by putting (c)1994-2000 Derek Snider on his web page. Furthermore, a &quot;MUD Family tree is not the same as the MUD itself, and would serve as a lineage / navigational tool for other entries. ]


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*], ] - One is self promotion and the other only exists to reference the first - ] 17:30, 9 Feb 2004 (UTC)
** Delete. ]. ] 18:02, 9 Feb 2004 (UTC)
*** Do not delete. Shows an important part of MU* history and the lineage of an idea's initial &quot;inception&quot; and is related to the acronym OLC. If you search google, you will notice many &quot;OLC&quot; sites. ] +
**** Do not delete. Nice online creation article, but just look in the page history to see some changes I made to it, to bring it up to Misplaced Pages's style standards. ]


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*<s>] - already deleted once wasn't it? - same text as the last one. - ] 18:14, 9 Feb 2004 (UTC)</s>
**It was, which makes it an instant deletion candidate, which I have done. ] 18:37, Feb 9, 2004 (UTC)
**Keep in current form - Anthony has replaced with a good disambiguation page. This will hopefully reduce the recreation of the prior page. - ] 03:25, 10 Feb 2004 (UTC)


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*] and ] &#8212; two articles assumably created by mistake by ]. ] redirects to ], which is a misspelling for ] and is linked ''only'' by ]. ] in a Middle-earth context is an extremely uncommon name for Dior, and doesn't need a redirect as I doubt it would ever be linked to except from the Dior article itself! Both could be deleted instantly imnsho. ]] 19:08, 9 Feb 2004 (UTC)
**Move to redirects for deletion. ] 22:50, 9 Feb 2004 (UTC)


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* ] - Very POV and un-encyclopedic. -- ] 20:35, 9 Feb 2004 (UTC)
**Someone has been reading too much Ayn Rand. Beyond redemption. delete -- ] 20:44, 9 Feb 2004 (UTC)
**Perhaps I will write an article called ]. Oh look, it's there already. Delete. - ] 21:03, Feb 9, 2004 (UTC)
**Original research. Unavoidably POV. I couldn't find anything useful in it to salvage. '''Delete'''. ] 22:47, 9 Feb 2004 (UTC)
**Delete. While it is interesting, it is hardly encyclopedic. ]'''] 22:56, 9 Feb 2004 (UTC)
**Just link to from another article. There's no need to replicate it here. ]] 23:34, Feb 9, 2004 (UTC)
**Delete - ] 01:51, 10 Feb 2004 (UTC)
**Delete. NPOV and Original research. ] 03:13, 10 Feb 2004 (UTC)
** Delete. Randroid ranting. Irremediable. ] 15:16, 10 Feb 2004 (UTC)
** Delete. Essay. ] 15:48, 10 Feb 2004 (UTC)


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*] -- move to Wiktionary and then delete because this is (a) just slang and (b) only dictionary definitions. For details, see the discussion about ] above (VfD, 9 February). ], 23:00, 9 Feb 2004 (UTC)
**Keep. Encyclopedic. ] 22:57, 9 Feb 2004 (UTC)
***Yes, by all means keep. ] 23:17, 9 Feb 2004 (UTC)
**While I agree this is largely slang definitions, they are definitions that share a common thread -- in fact, one of my reasons for listing them was to give ''evidence'' that baseball has had an impact on American slang, and the only way to do this is to point out to people that many slang terms they use are derived from the sport. Perhaps there could be a larger section describing the slang itself (comments, other information) to make it more encyclopedic. In any case, I think there is enough to make it worthwhile. Of course, I'm biased. ] 01:07, 10 Feb 2004 (UTC)
***I might also add that although the article is titled "baseball slang", and each slang term has a baseball meaning, EVERY SLANG TERM also has an independent non-baseball meaning that has "evolved" from the original meaning, so this is NOT just a guide to "how to talk like a baseball fan".
**Keep, but rename the article to "List of baseball slang terms". This isn't an article on baseball slang and I very much doubt it will ever be. The article falls into the large category of "list of xxx" articles. ] 01:44, 10 Feb 2004 (UTC)
***Making this a list would be a very bad idea. Lists are meant to categorize articles, but none of the items in this list should ''have'' articles. A list without links is of questionable validity for Misplaced Pages.] 04:45, Feb 10, 2004 (UTC)
****I agree with eloquence (wow). A pure list would be unencyclopedic. Actually, this article would be much better if it were made less of a list. ] 04:51, 10 Feb 2004 (UTC)
***Actually, this is "Slang from baseball", rather than "slang of baseball",i.e., baseball terminology applied to non-baseball things. ] 02:30, 10 Feb 2004 (UTC)
***One way I could improve it might be to give a short description of the ] of each term following the definition. Some of the terms have interesting histories behind them. And I think you may have missed the point, Tempshill; these terms were chosen specifically because they have nonbaseball meanings...if I were to randomly choose baseball slang, I could come up with hundreds, few of which mean anything outside baseball. See, for comparison, . I can improve it (give me some time).] 02:42, 10 Feb 2004 (UTC)
**Keep - encyclopedic presentation - ] 01:51, 10 Feb 2004 (UTC)
**Keep. Only listed to try to prove a silly point. ] 06:11, 10 Feb 2004 (UTC) (sorry, forgot to sign my vote)
**Move majority of terms to Wiktionary, only retain a few examples here.] 04:45, Feb 10, 2004 (UTC)
** Keep: cultural terms. ] 15:16, 10 Feb 2004 (UTC)


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*]. No longer used. See ]. ]] 23:45, Feb 9, 2004 (UTC)


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*] - This is a ] character, but the page is extremely underdeveloped compared to many of the others (compare with ] and ]) and hasn't been touched in months. There are probably other Pokemon with similar stub articles--perhaps they should be listed on cleanup instead? --] 02:08, 10 Feb 2004 (UTC)
**Keep. Seems fine. ] 03:17, 10 Feb 2004 (UTC)


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*] - Wikitionary. ] 02:31, Feb 10, 2004 (UTC)
**Delete. Dictionary definition. ] 03:15, 10 Feb 2004 (UTC)
**Before something is deleted because it belongs on another project it should go through the ] system. As Newlyweds is not on the ], vote to undelete so we can see the contents are. ] 11:27, 10 Feb 2004 (UTC)
**Temporarily undeleted. Maybe it could be redirected to ]. ]] 17:42, Feb 10, 2004 (UTC)


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*] - Currently consists of definitions only; move to Wiktionary - ] 03:34, 10 Feb 2004 (UTC)
**Keep as stub. ] 03:56, 10 Feb 2004 (UTC)
**working on it, will add diagram once i make it. first entry here. ] 05:02, 10 Feb 2004 (UTC)
**Keep regardless. I am sure someone will tie this up into a nice article eventually. -- ] 12:02, Feb 10, 2004 (UTC)


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*]. Nonencyclopedic. Unless somebody would like to write an article on ]. ] 05:43, 10 Feb 2004 (UTC)
**Merge and Redir into ] ] 07:37, Feb 10, 2004 (UTC)
**Keep. Encyclopedic. (And I guess RickK's vote counts as keep too?) ] 11:15, 10 Feb 2004 (UTC)
**Delete - Not sufficient to qualify as encyclopedic - ] 16:04, 10 Feb 2004 (UTC)
**Please keep. I have added some material. I think this might be a case study in the relative merits of five minutes Googling vs. 30 seconds at VfD. - ]|] 17:19, 10 Feb 2004 (UTC)
**Keep. I just wrote ] as well. ] 17:50, 10 Feb 2004 (UTC)


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*] -- the real article is here: ] (currently protected). ] 11:57, 10 Feb 2004 (UTC)
** Keep. ] appears to be a redirect to ]. Or change so Gdansk redirects to Gdansk, Poland. --] 15:41, 10 Feb 2004 (UTC)
***It was not a redirect by 11:57, 10 Feb 2004. See the page history: . We do not need this as a redirect, anyway. ] 16:58, 10 Feb 2004 (UTC)


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*] and ] are both about the same thing, so I think they should be merged, with the other meanings listed at the bottom. ] 14:03, 10 Feb 2004 (UTC)
**Merge Replicant into Replicant (Blade Runner) and leave behind a disambig. --] 15:51, 10 Feb 2004 (UTC)


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*] - Should the above page be deleted, is it needed on Misplaced Pages. ]
**No it shouldn't be deleted as its a surname which is well known in Maltese modern history. These are the reasons for not being deleted:
**#A noble family in Malta
**#One of the Richest in Malta
**#The late Count was murdered and the muderer not caught or has been resolved.
**#Much of the present who's who in today's Malta are descendants of the House of Sant.
**#It has a colourful history, which many people aspire to. ]
**Keep. Do anonymous VfD's count? Anyway, the page is obviously having an edit war that should be resolved rather than completely deleting the page. --] 16:53, 10 Feb 2004 (UTC)
**I signed for them. I think this should be deleted if the information can not be verified. ]] 17:57, Feb 10, 2004 (UTC)


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* ] page was created as vandalism (content was "i think it's dumb to let the average person make up their own definitions when people depend on and put faith in this information"), now blanked. --] 15:09, 10 Feb 2004 (UTC)


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* ] - high POV article unrelated to the title. - ] 15:27, 10 Feb 2004 (UTC)
** Delete. Yes, terribly POV, badly titled, badly written, not in[REDACTED] style or format. (Sidenote: amusingly, this is the first time I've gotten into an edit conflict, trying to put a vfd on) -- ]
**Delete - ] 16:04, 10 Feb 2004 (UTC)
** Delete unless someone wants to put in the effort to make this into a page (with a different title)discussing internet liability and responsibility. --] 16:38, 10 Feb 2004 (UTC)
**Delete ] 16:46, 10 Feb 2004 (UTC)


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* ] - Since ''deleted test'' doesn't work for non-English Misplaced Pages, I have bring some Czech pages here. I'd like to have deleting rights for Czech Misplaced Pages if it is possible for not bothering admins with routine work. -- ] 15:34, 10 Feb 2004 (UTC)


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* ] - see above. -- ] 15:34, 10 Feb 2004 (UTC)


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* ] - see above. -- ] 15:34, 10 Feb 2004 (UTC)


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* ] - see above. -- ] 15:34, 10 Feb 2004 (UTC)


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*] just an advert ] 16:02, 10 Feb 2004 (UTC)
**Delete ] 16:46, 10 Feb 2004 (UTC)


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*] - company advert - <i>"...For More information visit the WilTel Communications web site at www.WilTel.com and the Government Solutions web site at www.WilTelgov.com or call 1-866.WilTel.1"</i> - ] 16:25, 10 Feb 2004 (UTC)
** I was originally going to say keep and rework until I discovered that they aren't (which is actually a large and reasonably important company). So, delete. ] 16:35, 10 Feb 2004 (UTC)
**Delete ] 16:46, 10 Feb 2004 (UTC)


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*] - Recipe; needs to be moved to recipes area. ] 17:31, 10 Feb 2004 (UTC)

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{{tl|VfD-Mudgik}}


Apologies, was not logged in.

I do not expect you to understand the importance a mutable archive of Mudgik would provide the Mudgik community. The remark is blunderous; importance is relative.

It is not a ] it was a ].

It exists today in two forms (I am still researching them).



For more MUDs that aren't 'that important' please see:

http://en.wikipedia.org/MUD#Popular_MU*s


Keepers. ] 04:09, 28 May 2004 (UTC)

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Is there going to be one of these for every Grand Slam in every year? By the end of the year, will there be four of these on the ] page with eighty names listed? At the end of five years, will there be twenty of them on her page? ]] 04:03, 28 May 2004 (UTC)

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dicdef. Had vfd added on May 23, does not seem to have made it here. Ianb 23:29, 24 Jul 2004 (UTC)

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Guff

Dictdef for foreign language. Possible candidate to move to Wiktionary. →Iñgólemo← (talk) 07:49, 2004 Dec 5 (UTC)

  • Delete: Extremely suspicious dictdef: "Guff" is a common AmEng word for "sass, disrespectful speech," and the citation in this article is to Madame Blavatsky's group. Geogre 15:17, 5 Dec 2004 (UTC)
  • Delete In English, guff means nonsense, which describes this article. Wyss 18:49, 5 Dec 2004 (UTC)
  • No Preference Guff is English. It comes from the Hebrew language as most english words originate from other languages. The description is accurate for English, but as mentioned above, perhaps does not cover all the ways the word is used. In "Madame Blavatsky's group" and quite possibly other groups, this is the meaning of the word. Knightt 19:21, 9 Dec 2004 (UTC)
  • Delete. dictdef. --MPerel 21:03, Dec 9, 2004 (UTC)

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Similar to Wan Ling Record. This was contributed by a user who was only around for one day and added only quotes. This article consists entirely of, not surprisingly, a series of quotes. - Nat Krause 14:18, 24 May 2004 (UTC)

  • Delete. It's a name of some Buddhist text and this looks like a collection of quotes from it. I would be glad if Misplaced Pages had articles about Buddhist texts but they should be in encyclopedic style. Not collections of quotes without any explanation. Andris 14:52, May 24, 2004 (UTC)

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Text copied from front page of the site (Alexa rank of 127,106) which is the subject of this page. I'm uncertain whether the site is notable enough to have an article, but the current content is just an ad. — A.M. 18:30, 8 Dec 2004 (UTC)

  • Delete. Advertisement for website. Also now listed as a copyvio, but that's irrelevant if we delete it anyway. No evidence that the site is encyclopedic, although it appears to be well done at first glance IMO. Andrewa 20:23, 8 Dec 2004 (UTC)
  • Delete Ad Wyss 20:24, 8 Dec 2004 (UTC)
  • Delete Ad Trust 20:25, 8 Dec 2004 (UTC)
  • Delete Ad Brody 20:25, 8 Dec 2004 (UTC)
  • Delete Ad MAtty 20:28, 8 Dec 2004 (UTC)
  • Delete. Ad Jayjg 20:34, 8 Dec 2004 (UTC)
  • Delete: Ad, and Misplaced Pages is not a web guide. Geogre 22:10, 8 Dec 2004 (UTC)
  • Absolutely, positively delete. ] 17:27, 9 Dec 2004 (UTC)
  • Flashback to May: deleted 3-0. The previous version of the page is apparently no longer in the undelete database, so I can't say that it is a repost of the same material (which would make it a speedy). No vote. --rbrwr 14:43, 12 Dec 2004 (UTC)
  • keep - highly relevant to the web development and graphic design community's history
  • Obviously worthless. --YixilTesiphon
  • Relevant as documentation of an experiment in self moderation and community building online. mrRed

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The result was Update: I count 4 votes to delete. I'll delete the page now. Wile E. Heresiarch 16:35, 31 May 2004 (UTC)

Knut_Lyngar

vanity page. Name gets 6 google hits. Zoda, who wrote this page, is Knut Lyngar's nickname according to . Maximus Rex 07:49, 25 May 2004 (UTC)

  • Greet new user. Then delete and remove image too. Dunc Harris | Talk 12:48, 25 May 2004 (UTC)
  • Delete. Vanity. Andrewa 14:44, 25 May 2004 (UTC)
  • Delete. City where his radio station is (Elverum) only has 18,000 inhabitants. According to our article on the county it's in (Hedmark) says it only has 4.1% of the population of Norway. We may want to clarify a policy on radio DJs. Most have 5,000+ listeners, but, other than Howard Stern and some others, I believe most listeners tune in for the station's format, not the DJ. (PS One of the Yahoo hits is this VfD listing. lol) Niteowlneils 15:51, 26 May 2004 (UTC)
FWIW, I've added "Non-syndicated radio disc-jockeys that haven't become a major news item due to controversy, etc. Out." to WIWO. Niteowlneils 19:27, 27 May 2004 (UTC)
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Non-notable musician. Name only gets two Google hits as a musician and one as an album cover designer. RickK 20:51, Jul 25, 2004 (UTC)

  • Delete musical vanity/self-promotion. -- Cyrius|✎ 00:28, 26 Jul 2004 (UTC)
  • Delete. SWAdair | Talk 02:44, 26 Jul 2004 (UTC)
  • Delete vanity. Since bands are all out of business and rappers and DJ's are in business, I suppose that means that we'll be getting 4 times the number of these articles, now. Geogre 03:31, 26 Jul 2004 (UTC)
  • I listed it as a speedy since this same article was deleted a couple of months ago. Can we make it go away again? - Lucky 6.9 18:27, 26 Jul 2004 (UTC)

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I know that this article has been listed on VFD twice already, but you guys need to understand what is going on with this article:

This article is obvious googlebombing with the links, each "article" is really a link to one of the many thousands of domains this guy owns. These links are also found in many other related articles. Im sure David Pierce or an associate himself has been adding most of these links.

This guy owns these domain names: http://www.hedweb.com/paradise.html

By owning such a gigantic amount of cross linking domain names, his websites dominate many drug searches on google. David Pearce thus then might be notable enough for these facts, but these facts were removed from the article.

edit by the guy who put this on vfd:

Don't believe this guy is notable because of articles or interviews mentioned here, notice that most of those are hosted on his own websites so they are questionable. He might very well be notable for the gigantic amount of domain names he owns, all with some form of original content on them, which tend to dominate many search results, especially for obscure drugs. The problem is however, it is very likely him or a friend who created this article, or added the links to it, so its always a very potentially dangerous article.

  • (Above unsigned entry is from User:67.180.61.179).
  • David Pearce is a British visionary...bwhuaahaa...oh vanity alright. Delete. Wyllium 19:58, 2004 Nov 13 (UTC)
  • Delete or edit down to stubbitude. --jpgordon{gab} 19:11, 13 Nov 2004 (UTC)
  • As it is, it's nothing but a link farm. Delete. DS 19:30, 13 Nov 2004 (UTC)
  • Delete. silsor 19:41, Nov 13, 2004 (UTC)
  • Delete. Promotional. Slightly off-topic, but people might want to take a look at Talk:American World University#Handling promotional links. I'm suggesting that whenever someone has qualms about the promotional effect of a link but wish to preserve it as a service to readers, that it be replaced with a substitute from tinyurl or similar services. To my surprise, this is a controversial suggestion, but I'd like to explore it further or see whether others have better ideas. ] 19:57, 13 Nov 2004 (UTC)
  • Delete: Hooooooo boy those are some links! Putting nowiki in front of all of them works well, and while the article is on VfD, we're supposed to do that anyway. I'd almost have seen this speedied for patent nonsense. He wants to "abolish the chemical substrates of suffering?" What? I suffer, but I'm not sure it's on a chemical substratum level. Geogre 20:08, 13 Nov 2004 (UTC)
  • "the abolition of the chemical substrates of suffering in all sentient life.". Um, okay. Even if we got rid of the excessive links, this language itself makes it delete-worthy. Delete. RickK 20:58, Nov 13, 2004 (UTC)
  • Delete. --DMG413 22:22, 13 Nov 2004 (UTC)
  • Delete Jayjg 12:04, 14 Nov 2004 (UTC)
  • Delete. Vanity, Promo --Improv 15:38, 14 Nov 2004 (UTC)
  • Delete: vanity, promo. Wile E. Heresiarch 04:50, 15 Nov 2004 (UTC)
  • Keep. Since Pearce is obviously a notable figure, the most sensible thing to do would be to shorten the bibliography section and delete all its links, which I have done. Loremaster 20:09, 15 Nov 2004 (UTC)
    • What is your evidence supporting the judgement "obviously a notable figure"? I'll admit that I don't see it and consider this currently a delete candidate. Rossami (talk) 06:02, 16 Nov 2004 (UTC)
      • As a leading figure in a movement that is getting increasing media, academic and political attention, Pearce should have an article. And, since the controversial content has been edited out of the article, this dispute is now moot. Loremaster 16:59, 16 Nov 2004 (UTC)
      • I'm not sure if I would call Pearce a "obviously notable figure", but his major work, The Hedonistic Imperative, is well-known within transhumanist communities. -- Schaefer 20:49, 16 Nov 2004 (UTC)
  • Keep. Yes, this was quite likely created as a vanity page, but if the links can be kept off, it shouldn't be a problem. I'll admit that his only well-known writing is The Hedonistic Imperative, so while there's no profound need for a page just about him, the page has been edited to the point where it's no longer just blatant self-promotion. -- Schaefer 20:36, 16 Nov 2004 (UTC)
  • Keep. If this was created as a vanity page, it was not done by David Pearce or his associates - I know this fact personally. Some people are quick to play down the notability of others for obvious reasons. Given that there is no such thing as an unbiased attribution of value or notability - we should instead thank this fellow for his pioneering and visionary work. Ask yourselves if the abolition of suffering is more important than one's contribution to an impossibly "unbiased" collection, life is short.Sean Henderson 22:20, 16 Nov 2004 (UTC)
  • Note that Sean Henderson is the name of one of David Pearce's associates (as mentioned in the article)67.180.61.179 02:01, 18 Nov 2004 (UTC)
  • Keep. While I find a great deal to dispute with the man and most of the Transhumanist movement I think at least from with in the movement his works are discussed and he's moderately well known. Notable? I hope not, but I wouldn't make that judgment for anyone else. —Florescentbulb 02:56, 19 Nov 2004 (UTC)

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If David Pearce gets vfd'd, his organization ought to get put up for a vote as well. --DMG413 15:30, 14 Nov 2004 (UTC)

  • KEEP. This organization has been getting some significant attention due to the public interest in, and press coverage of, transhumanism. Let's not get carried away due to the problems with the David Pierce article. Loremaster 16:01, 14 Nov 2004 (UTC)
  • I'd rather not delete it for guilt by association, but what does this article actually say? It says, "WTA was founded by X & Y. It's goals are good. See the following 6 links." Abstain, pending any indication of notability whatever for anything good (as opposed to infamy for being a spam factory). Geogre 19:42, 14 Nov 2004 (UTC)
  • Keep. Definitely notable. --Improv 20:04, 14 Nov 2004 (UTC)
  • Keep. I don't like that logic, we can't eliminate anything just because its creator is non-notable. - Lifefeed 21:12, Nov 15, 2004 (UTC)
  • Keep for reasons stated by Loremaster. GRider 23:05, 15 Nov 2004 (UTC)
  • Keep. Pearce's notability is questionable, but I consider the co-founder Nick Bostrom notable and the WTA itself even more so. -- Schaefer 21:08, 16 Nov 2004 (UTC)
  • Definite keep. I would like to see some expansion though, maybe on the lines of what sets this transhumanist group apart or makes it unique among the others. Any takers? Inky 04:51, 17 Nov 2004 (UTC)
  • Keep, and BAH! on Transhumanists. —Florescentbulb 03:59, 18 Nov 2004 (UTC)
  • Delete link repository. Might as well say North Valley Clown Alley was founded by Bongo the Clown and other clowns. They win awards. Everyone loves clowns. See the following 8 clown web pages. and y'all know I love clowns. Pedant 08:04, 2004 Nov 19 (UTC)
  • Keep, strongly disagree with Pedant's analogy here. Stop clowning around, deletionism is serious business. ] 17:52, 19 Nov 2004 (UTC)
  • Keep - Trollminator 21:40, 19 Nov 2004 (UTC)

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Vanity. No Alexa data , no indication on website that there are any other members of this "art movement" besides David Kam. - Hephaestos|§ 20:43, 26 May 2004 (UTC)

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Vollis is a team game/sport, invented, first played and coined in 2002 AD. Vollis is set to grow quite large in the near future and there is a distinct possibility that it could be an Olympic sport by 2012-2016. I can't find any references via google. Vollis doesn't seem to be notable enough for an article in wikipedia. Thue 14:25, 27 May 2004 (UTC)

  • Delete. The final claim that it may be an Olympic sport by 2012 is patent nonsense, and contributes to the impression that this is just a sport thought up by a bunch of kids, and that it hasn't spread much outside that group. Also, a search for the word 'vollis' on search engines produces large numbers of hits for a folk artist called Vollis Simpson, but nothing related to this game. Average Earthman 16:28, 27 May 2004 (UTC)
  • "2002 AD," no less. Delete as patent nonsense. - Lucky 6.9 18:45, 27 May 2004
  • Delete - Tεxτurε 19:13, 27 May 2004 (UTC)
  • Looks like nonsense. Delete. -- Cyrius|&#9998 19:35, May 27, 2004 (UTC)
  • Delete. Nonsense. Abigail 21:30, May 27, 2004 (UTC)
  • Keep it, even if the assumption is made that kids or some other people you wish to call unnotable invented it, how do you think sports that are played worldwide began? Isn't the Misplaced Pages a place for people to access any information of interest? If you can't find it on Google after idly clicking around, think of how difficult it would be for someone to find it out of genuine interest (rather than cynicism) without the Misplaced Pages article? Boutros Boutros
    • I just adore sockpuppets. They're so cute and cuddly. - Lucky 6.9 16:51, 28 May 2004 (UTC)
    • Just to answer the claim by a poster who has never posted anywhere else - apart from the fact that the majority of 'vanity' articles on Misplaced Pages are contributed by teenagers who appear to lack a proper sense of perspective, the utter obscurity of the game means it is not currently worthy including. As for 'if you can't find it on Google after idly clicking', I used both Google and Teoma, and found only articles about Vollis Simpson or pages in German which my admittedly abysmal grasp of German suggests to me are about some form of table football, one mention of the chairman of the President of the Pan-Macedonian Association, and one reference to US soldier with the surname 'Vollis'. Happy now? Average Earthman 17:44, 28 May 2004 (UTC)
    • Well well well, contempt for developing games, disregard for new users to web communities, dislike of teenagers.........Sounds to me like you have a touch of conservative elitism in you. Some people obviously feel uncomfortable when there's changes happening in the world that upset ideals of a concrete state of reality...Fair enough, you can't find the thing on Google, still I think this site's entire purpose is for information, or am I wrong? Boutros Boutros
      • Information, yes, but information about somewhat established stuff of generel interest, ie informative stuff. There is no indication that vollis has grown outside the group of teenagers who invented it. The problem is also that the information is not verifiable. Delete the article for now, but if vollis ever gets widespread we should have an article about it. Thue 09:15, 30 May 2004 (UTC)
  • Delete. If it becomes widely known, we can recreate it, but it does not merit an article now. Andris 02:02, Jun 1, 2004 (UTC)
  • Keep. For verification see this News thread from 1994, or this google search. It seems it is not only a game but also a bicycle brand. Why don't you deletists work on verifiing these things instead of just listing stuff all the time. Boutros Boutross point is a very good one, even though it doesn't look like this term was coined in 2002....
    • No. I looked through google hits from your search (ones which were in English). There is exactly 1 hit about vollis game. The rest are mostly about people with first/last name being Vollis. 1 google hit does not justify inclusion. Andris 19:50, Jun 2, 2004 (UTC)

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The result of the debate was NO CONSENSUS. Postdlf 23:38, 13 Jun 2005 (UTC)

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This had a VFD before that stated keep; although it's mentioned in Allmusic.com (according to User:Wyllium), the article itself is dead-end. Linuxbeak | Talk | Desk 04:51, May 29, 2005 (UTC)

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Orphan, dubious. Unvarifiable, vanity or prank? Top google hits for "Mr.Bits" don't seem relevant. Zero google hits for the terms Mr.Bits Chicago Comedian together, no hits for "The Bits & Clone Show", Bitskateers. -- Infrogmation 18:34, 27 May 2004 (UTC)

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Quantum phase transition

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Either this is a real term presented poorly or it's the greatest piece of quackery I've ever seen here. Is there a physicist in the house? - Lucky 6.9 18:38, 27 May 2004 (UTC)

  • From what (little) physics I know I can't find any inaccuracies. I think it would be more appropriate to list this at Misplaced Pages:Pages_needing_attention. I have listed it there. Thue 18:56, 27 May 2004 (UTC)
  • Real term poorly presented. Move to Clean-up. I'll try if/when I can find my old textbooks. Rossami 20:59, 27 May 2004 (UTC)
  • "Quantum phase transition" gets over 7000 google hits. Clicking on a few google hits suggest that the page isn't blatent nonsense. I don't know enough of quantum physics to know how accurate the information is - but since I lack the knowledge to judge the accuracy, I won't vote for delete. Abigail 21:04, May 27, 2004 (UTC)
  • Keep. Real phenomenon. Not a good VfD listing IMO, we should be listing and voting on things we do know something about (as others have said more gently). There are other places for asking questions. As Misplaced Pages grows this becomes more and more important. Andrewa 21:09, 27 May 2004 (UTC)
  • In either case it doesn't belong on VfD. If it is a real term presented poorly, it is still clearly a encyclopedic topic and doesn't belong on VfD. On the other hand, if the person who posted the VfD request doesn't understand the topic well enough to determine if it is "quackery", it doesn't belong on VfD. Keep. ElBenevolente 21:16, 27 May 2004 (UTC)
  • That's perfectly OK with me. It's not that I didn't understand the topic. It was so badly written that I simply couldn't comprehend what I was reading. There was a patently nonsensical article here last week that was couched in pseudo-scientific mumbo-jumbo. I wasn't certain if this was the same sort of thing, hence my electing to bring it here. It's already on "pages needing attention," so by all means, keep. And let's try and keep the personal attacks to a minimum, OK? - Lucky 6.9 21:34, 27 May 2004 (UTC)
  • Comment - Mikkalai has revised the article. It's certainly more readable now, anyway. Average Earthman 17:48, 28 May 2004 (UTC)

List of people who have not committed suicide

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The most ridiculous list of people I have seen here so far, as everyon not on List of people who commited suicide can be listed there. I was tempted to delete it by speedy deletion directly as being patent nonsense. andy 20:12, 27 May 2004 (UTC)

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Kassandra Hiroshima and Kassandra HiroshimA

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Ladies and gentlemen. Presented for your voting pleasure is an individual of eclectic background who garners an incredible two hits on Google, both referring back to his/her own articles on other sites. - Lucky 6.9 21:46, 27 May 2004 (UTC)

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A. Smith

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Cannot be found on either Allmusic.com or Google. Vanity? --Wyllium 21:58, 2004 May 27 (UTC)

Digivolve

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{{VfD-Digivolve}}

Nothlit (Animorphs)

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There's nothing in this article that actually means anything, and even what it appears to mean is too trivial to be worth mentioning. Tonusperegrinus 22:27, 27 May 2004 (UTC)

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May 28

Heck

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See also Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Heck/old

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The result of the debate was keep. This doesn't preclude redirect, but there isn't a consensus to redirect. --Tony Sidaway 13:45, 14 August 2005 (UTC)

Heck

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Mudgik

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{{VfD-Mudgik}}


Apologies, was not logged in.

I do not expect you to understand the importance a mutable archive of Mudgik would provide the Mudgik community. The remark is blunderous; importance is relative.

It is not a website it was a MUD.

It exists today in two forms (I am still researching them).


For more MUDs that aren't 'that important' please see:

http://en.wikipedia.org/MUD#Popular_MU*s


Keepers. Yeago 04:09, 28 May 2004 (UTC)

Claire Chow

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Delete - as the pages states, a student who works for Canada customs at Lester Pearson Airport. Burgundavia 03:31, May 28, 2004 (UTC)

It's already gone. RickK 03:32, 28 May 2004 (UTC)

Bikeshed

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Dicdef of a slang term. And if it were to be kept, it should be moved to Bikeshedding. RickK 03:46, 28 May 2004 (UTC)

Advanet

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Some explanation? What is it? Is this worth keeping? RickK 03:54, 28 May 2004 (UTC)

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Template:Top seeds for French Open 2004

Is there going to be one of these for every Grand Slam in every year? By the end of the year, will there be four of these on the Serena Williams page with eighty names listed? At the end of five years, will there be twenty of them on her page? RickK 04:03, 28 May 2004 (UTC)

Miscible

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Dicdef. Meelar 04:22, 28 May 2004 (UTC)

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This section describes how to list articles and their associated talk pages for deletion. For pages that are not articles, list them at other appropriate deletion venues or use copyright violation where applicable. As well, note that deletion may not be needed for problems such as pages written in foreign languages, duplicate pages, and other cases. Use Misplaced Pages:Proposed mergers for discussion of mergers.

Only a registered, logged-in user can complete steps II and III. (Autoconfirmed registered users can also use the Twinkle tool to make nominations.) If you are unregistered, you should complete step I, note the justification for deletion on the article's talk page, then post a message at Misplaced Pages talk:Articles for deletion requesting that someone else complete the process.

You must sign in to nominate pages for deletion. If you do not sign-in, or you edit anonymously, you will get stuck part way through the nomination procedure.

I – Put the deletion tag on the article.
  • Insert {{subst:afd1}} at the top of the article. Do not mark the edit as minor.
    If this article has been nominated before, use {{subst:afdx|2nd}} or {{subst:afdx|3rd}} etc.
  • Include in the edit summary AfD: Nominated for deletion; see ]. replacing NominationName with the name of the page being nominated. Publish the page.
    The NominationName is normally the article name (PageName), but if it has been nominated before, use "PageName (2nd nomination)" or "PageName (3rd nomination)" etc.)
II – Create the article's deletion discussion page.

The resulting AfD box at the top of the article should contain a link to "Preloaded debate" in the AfD page. Click that link to open the article's deletion discussion page for editing. Some text and instructions will appear.

You can do it manually as well:

  • Click the link saying "deletion discussion page" to open the deletion-debate page.
  • Insert this text:
    {{subst:afd2 | pg=PageName | cat=Category | text=Why the page should be deleted}} ~~~~
    Replace PageName with the name of the page, Category with a letter from the list M, O, B, S, W, G, T, F, and P to categorize the debate, and Why the page should be deleted with the reasons the page should be deleted.
  • If appropriate, inform members of the most relevant WikiProjects through one or more "deletion sorting lists". Then add a {{subst:delsort|<topic>|<signature>}} template to the nomination, to insert a note that this has been done.
  • Use an edit summary such as Creating deletion discussion for ]. Publish the page.
III – Notify users who monitor AfD discussions.
  • Open the articles for deletion log page for editing.
  • At the top of the list on the log page (there's a comment indicating the spot), insert:{{subst:afd3 | pg=NominationName}}
    Replace NominationName appropriately (use "PageName", "PageName (2nd nomination)", etc.)
  • Link to the discussion page in your edit summary: Adding ]. Publish the page.
  • Consider letting the authors know on their talk page by adding: {{subst:Afd notice|Page name}} ~~~~
    If this is not the first nomination, add a second parameter with the NominationName (use "PageName (2nd nomination)" etc.): {{subst:Afd notice|PageName|NominationName}} ~~~~
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