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== Hope all is well! == | ||
could you add ] as a new tracker? ] 16:50, 7 September 2008 (UTC) | |||
:I believe I could; I'll see what I can do as soon as I "recover" from vacation. <tt>;-)</tt> ]] 14:39, 14 September 2008 (UTC) | |||
== Status == | |||
I am currently using your status script (I love it!) But I was wondering if there could be a way to set a time period that would always be set for "out" automatically. This would be very useful for school or work, I think! | |||
Cheers! --<span style="background-color: black"><font color="green" face="Mistral" size="4">]</font><font color="blue">]</font><font color="orange" size="4">]</font></span> 21:48, 9 September 2008 (UTC) | |||
:Not in a straightforward way, because any change requires that your browser actively edits the status page, so it has to be on. One possible alternative way be to use conditional ] but I'd have to think more about it first. ]] 14:42, 14 September 2008 (UTC) | |||
== Archiving troubles, part 2 == | |||
Please, program your Bot to archive things when it's really needed. | |||
Thanks and Godspeed to your efforts, | |||
--] (]) 20:41, 10 September 2008 (UTC) | |||
:I believe that's exactly what the bot does, where you can define "''really needed''" by specifying the period after which threads are considered "stale". ]] 14:43, 14 September 2008 (UTC) | |||
== Talk:The Lion King archival == | |||
I undid an automated archival of several threads from ], that MiszaBot I had moved to ] which has all threads from November 2006 and older. There is already a ] which has threads going nearly to the end of 2007, so any recent threads being archived should go there (or perhaps an Archive 3 created and the threads moved there); it should not in any case be archiving any discussion threads to Archive 1 at this point. --] (]) 07:54, 14 September 2008 (UTC) | |||
:Whatever. I am not responsible for the configuration that people set up on pages. ]] 14:44, 14 September 2008 (UTC) | |||
== ] Newsletter == | |||
The next issue (Number 25) is now ready for delivery ]. Thanks, and I hope you ejoyed your vacation! ♥]♥]♥]♥ 11:30, 14 September 2008 (UTC) | |||
:Not yet, sorry. <span style="font-family: tahoma">'''] (])'''</span> 12:55, 14 September 2008 (UTC) | |||
::Sorry about that. Problem fixed. Go ahead. Thanks, ♥]♥]♥]♥ 13:55, 14 September 2008 (UTC) | |||
:::Delivery in progress. ]] 14:46, 14 September 2008 (UTC) | |||
== Your Bot Brought My Bridge to Nowhere (Literally)! == | |||
LOL. If I'm not horribly confused, your bot, in archiving the Palin talk page, took my section that I had just edited --"Bridge to Nowhere Redux" -- and destroyed it in a puff of bits, brought my bridge to nowhere, so to speak :-) Not sure why it happened, but I can't find it on current page or either of the two older archives. So I'll restore it.] (]) 03:16, 15 September 2008 (UTC) | |||
== Gra wp reverts == | |||
Just dropping by and making sure you are here, and not running an adminbot, since you keep beating me to reverting grawp. <tt>:P</tt> How are you doing that so fast? <span>] <sup>]</sup></span> 20:34, 16 September 2008 (UTC) | |||
:Based on your lack of response I believe, though I hate to assume, that you are running an unauthorized bot. I just wanted to point you to ] and note that you should request approval before running any unattended bots. I also ask you discontinue using any bots until they are approved. Thanks, <span>] <sup>]</sup></span> 21:00, 16 September 2008 (UTC) | |||
::Administrators are given access to tools so that they can better protect the project from harm. What harm is being done? What harm is your threat preventing? If you're really that upset Misza is beating you to reverts you yourself agree need to be made, maybe you should take up a hobby -- I hear ] can be very soothing. For the record, I will insist that any sanction against Misza regarding these allegations is first discussed and supported at ], given the numerous prior discussions which have opposed any such thing. – <span style="font-family: Garamond">] (])</span> 21:29, 16 September 2008 (UTC) | |||
:::Ah, no I think you misunderstand. I ''noticed'' because of Misza's blocking speed. As you know, grawp is a high speed vandal, and Misza seemed to be using a script (which is initiated and reviewed by a human, unlike a bot) that was faster than anything I had seen. So I was interested in anything that could help deal with this vandalism faster. Unfortunately I found that this was not in fact a tool that is permitted, unauthorized bots are forbidden by ], and should be blocked according to the ]. If Misza does not stop using the bot, as required by policy, I will have to block him, as required by policy. But I doubt that will be necessary, ]. Established consensus and policy clearly do not allow unapproved bots. You are free to bring this up on ] yourself, but I do not believe it is necessary in such a clear violation of policy, or in a situation which I am sure can easily be resolved simply by Misza getting approval for his bot. Happy editing! <span>] <sup>]</sup></span> 21:34, 16 September 2008 (UTC) | |||
::::On the contrary, I think you misunderstand. This isn't a game. Can you demonstrate any tangible way in which Misza has damaged this project, or in which Misza's actions currently pose an imminent danger to the encyclopedia? It seems to me you haven't even taken a moment to research past discussions regarding this very topic, with this very user, nor to resolve this without immediately reaching for your block button. For shame. – <span style="font-family: Garamond">] (])</span> 21:52, 16 September 2008 (UTC) | |||
:::::Please read ], ], and ]. <span>] <sup>]</sup></span> 21:53, 16 September 2008 (UTC) | |||
::::::I asked you some questions. Given your abject refusal to answer them, I can only assume you agree Misza's actions pose no danger to the project. – <span style="font-family: Garamond">] (])</span> 21:55, 16 September 2008 (UTC) | |||
:::::::Does it matter? Atlanta, Georgia has a law against pants being too low. It doesn't hurt anyone or anything, but you still have to follow it. --] (]) 22:00, 16 September 2008 (UTC) | |||
::::::::Similarly, in Gainesville, Georgia, a city ordinance prohibits eating chicken with a fork. It's a law, but you still don't have to follow it. --]<small><sup>\ ] /</sup></small> 22:08, 16 September 2008 (UTC) | |||
Hello Misza13! I hope you are doing well. I just wanted to let you know that I added you to ]. If you ever come back, or choose not to have your name on this list, just let me know. Hope you come back, even just to check in, ] (]) 19:40, 19 September 2021 (UTC) | |||
::::::::I should very much hope it matters. Any block which cannot be explained as somehow preventing damage to the project is by definition a bad block -- this is, after all, one of the philosophical cornerstones of our blocking policy. Note that your argument, while a nice soundbite about the nature of ''authoritah'', provides no reasonable evidence that any such damage has occurred. – <span style="font-family: Garamond">] (])</span> 22:08, 16 September 2008 (UTC) | |||
== Bot error == | |||
:::::::::If this user did use an unauthorized bot, they broke a rule, did they not? How can you defend that? --] (]) 22:12, 16 September 2008 (UTC) | |||
Hello ]. The bot doesn't work on ]. Please kindly and check. '''Thank you'''. ] (]) 08:32, 21 October 2021 (UTC) | |||
:{{replyto|AriaTess}} There are two reasons. One is that you omitted the newline before the first parameter; second, even after that is fixed, it won't archive anything until there are more than 4 threads, because you have set {{para|minthreadsleft|4}}. See ], fifth and ninth bullets. --] 🌹 (]) 22:28, 21 October 2021 (UTC) | |||
::{{replyto|Misza13}} Thank you for your response. I already fixed. Best regards. ] (]) 04:42, 22 October 2021 (UTC) | |||
:::{{replyto|AriaTess}} Misza13 didn't reply - I did. Misza13 hasn't been around for more than six years, except for one day last year. --] 🌹 (]) 08:04, 22 October 2021 (UTC) | |||
== Bot error in Common == | |||
::::::::::Our ] and the ] might help clear up any confusion in such a situation. --]<small><sup>\ ] /</sup></small> 22:15, 16 September 2008 (UTC) | |||
Hello Misza13! When I want to put <code><nowiki>{{Talkarchive}}</nowiki></code> template on my , I encounter this error: | |||
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I think I put the template correctly on the ]. Please check. Sincerely. ] ] 06:28, 8 April 2022 (UTC) | |||
:{{talk page stalker}} @]: I don't know why this is happening, but: | |||
1. The bot should add it automatically when it creates an archive. | |||
2. Misza is not active and it seems {{their|Misza13}} bot's job was taken over by ], which is ran by a different user. | |||
:::::::::::So if it helps Misplaced Pages, you just ignore the rule? Wow... what logic. -.- --] (]) 22:16, 16 September 2008 (UTC) | |||
Thank you, '''@'''<small>]]</small> 01:00, 25 August 2022 (UTC) | |||
== Help please == | |||
::::::::::::Yep. That's why we have that policy. Pretty cool, huh? --]<small><sup>\ ] /</sup></small> 22:17, 16 September 2008 (UTC) | |||
I am trying to add the view source to my userpage, and I followed the instructions availible. Am I misunderstanding how it works, or is there something else I need to do? ]]] 17:37, 29 April 2024 (UTC) | |||
::::::::::::: Acutally no. It's horrible imo. Anyway, I guess I'm done in this debate. Good luck Prodego! --] (]) 22:19, 16 September 2008 (UTC) | |||
:{{replyto|Allaoii}} Misza13 has made few edits in the last nine years, and none at all since 2020. What is this {{tq|view source}} of which you speak? --] 🌹 (]) 08:48, 30 April 2024 (UTC) | |||
::{{replyto|Redrose64}} They created a script intended to let you play around with test code on the edit source button without the possibility of accidentally clicking save changes. I found it through the user page style guide under "Your Scripts", but I cannot figure out how to make it work. I'm on a Chromebook if that helps <!-- Template:Unsigned --><small class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (] • ]) 15:47, 1 May 2024 (UTC)</small> | |||
:::What script? Where are the instructions? ] has nothing at all about style guides or scripts. In the complete absence of Misza13, I cannot help unless I am told what I am looking for. --] 🌹 (]) 17:36, 1 May 2024 (UTC) | |||
:::: this, it's under "Your Scripts". Scroll all the way down, it's right before the link to the list of all user scripts. ] <!-- Template:Unsigned --><small class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (] • ]) 20:47, 1 May 2024 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> | |||
:::::If you had linked to ] from the outset I wouldn't be wasting my time. --] 🌹 (]) 21:22, 1 May 2024 (UTC) | |||
:::::Right, short answer: ] no longer exists. Longer answer: it was deleted in August 2020, around about the time that Miza13 left for good. The installation instructions haven't been updated in sixteen years, they assume that you're using the MonoBook skin, but I expect that you're not. --] 🌹 (]) 21:37, 1 May 2024 (UTC) | |||
::::::{{replyto|Redrose64}} apologies, I took a break from Misplaced Pages for school, and I've kind of forgotten how everything works. Thank you for the answer, I will try to be more direct in my other conversations from now on. ]]] 16:45, 2 May 2024 (UTC) | |||
== Deletion discussion about ] == | |||
::::::::::In the Real World, rule of law is generally crucial because there are many actions which cannot be undone; on a wiki, where the vast majority of actions can be undone with both ease and speed, that's less of a concern. Rules are not an end unto themselves, on this project -- that is another philosophical cornerstone of this wiki, like it or not. You ask how I can defend this? Simple enough: no one has yet demonstrated any harm being done, here, but many users, even including the administrator who's prematurely threatened to block Misza, apparently believe his actions are helpful. The question remains: what damage is being done to the project? – <span style="font-family: Garamond">] (])</span> 22:21, 16 September 2008 (UTC) | |||
:::::::::::Agreed. More importantly, given the scientifically-measurable amount of damage that one could statistically gather, does that damage outweigh the similarly measurable benefits? Clearly the number of automated fuck-ups is statistically insignificant— if it even exists in recent history— in comparison to the automated one-ups that said automation has achieved. Simply put, if this bot is only causing good, one can only remove that good by blocking it. In effect, one is indirectly creating an imbalance; for, the amount of bad (vandalism) would inherently increase by negating the measurable good (this bot) in favor of some hypothetical-but-immeasurable good (strict adherence to policy). --]<small><sup>\ ] /</sup></small> 22:27, 16 September 2008 (UTC) | |||
Hello Misza13, and thank you for your contributions to Misplaced Pages. | |||
I agree policy is fluid, but it is all we have got. Please, I urge you, if there is consensus a to allow bots that do not require approval through the BAG process, the policy should be changed. All one must do to change policy is to obtain ], and change the policy. Right now the blocking policy tells me explicitly that I should block "bots operating without approval", and indeed this happens all the time to non-admin editors. Admins and unapproved admin bots are held to the same standard as a non-admin or his/her unapproved bot. But again, this is all speculative, I am sure that Misza will simply request approval through the process that current consensus has created, and there will be no additional problems. <span>] <sup>]</sup></span> 23:35, 16 September 2008 (UTC) | |||
While your contributions are appreciated, I wanted to let you know that I've started a discussion about whether an article that you created, ], should be deleted, as I am not sure that it is suitable for inclusion in Misplaced Pages in its current form. Your comments are welcome at ]. | |||
:I will not request any approval simply because ''a)'' I don't play process for the sake of it or to the process wonks' (such as yourself) satisfaction ''b)'' the bot already is approved, authorized or whatever you call it and operaties within policy. If that policy is IAR (which is the default if nothing else can be applied), it doesn't matter - the admin bot section of WP:BOT does not have community consensus and <s>remains tagged as proposed</s> until few hours ago was only proposed (still, it's disputed and doesn't apply retroactively anyway, so this is moot). | |||
:Furthermore, I am surprised these questions come from you, who has a longer tenure as an administrator - the bot has been operating for nearly two years now and everyone and their grandma is aware of its existence. | |||
:Finally, if you still perceive that the blocking policy "tells" you something you cannot resist despite no evidence of damage being done, I must suggest (per Luna above) switching to ] every now and then. | |||
:I hope this clears things up so we can move on to building a 💕. Regards, ]] 10:18, 17 September 2008 (UTC) | |||
Deletion ] usually run for seven days and are ''not'' votes. ] about effectively contributing to such discussions is worth a read. The most common issue in these discussions is ], but it's not the only aspect that may be discussed; read the nomination and any other comments carefully before you contribute to the discussion. Last but not least, you are highly encouraged to continue improving the article; just be sure not to remove the tag about the deletion nomination from the top. | |||
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== Please allow users to archive to subpages of their userpage == | |||
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I think that your bot should allow a user to archive his/her talk page to subpages of the userpage, not only to subpages of their user talk page. Doing this would seem to be in line with the way several users handle their archives, and a user should be allowed to do it without getting the key from you. ] ] 12:24, 17 September 2008 (UTC) |
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Hope all is well!Hello Misza13! I hope you are doing well. I just wanted to let you know that I added you to Misplaced Pages:Missing Wikipedians. If you ever come back, or choose not to have your name on this list, just let me know. Hope you come back, even just to check in, Lima Bean Farmer (talk) 19:40, 19 September 2021 (UTC) Bot errorHello Misza13. The bot doesn't work on my talk page. Please kindly and check. Thank you. AriaTess (talk) 08:32, 21 October 2021 (UTC)
Bot error in CommonHello Misza13! When I want to put
I think I put the template correctly on the Discussion page. Please check. Sincerely. Parsineh 06:28, 8 April 2022 (UTC)
1. The bot should add it automatically when it creates an archive. 2. Misza is not active and it seems their bot's job was taken over by User:ArchiveBot, which is ran by a different user. Thank you, @CLYDEFRANKLIN 01:00, 25 August 2022 (UTC) Help pleaseI am trying to add the view source to my userpage, and I followed the instructions availible. Am I misunderstanding how it works, or is there something else I need to do? 🙚Ella🙘 17:37, 29 April 2024 (UTC)
Deletion discussion about CAT:TEMPHello Misza13, and thank you for your contributions to Misplaced Pages. While your contributions are appreciated, I wanted to let you know that I've started a discussion about whether an article that you created, CAT:TEMP, should be deleted, as I am not sure that it is suitable for inclusion in Misplaced Pages in its current form. Your comments are welcome at Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/CAT:TEMP (2nd nomination). Deletion discussions usually run for seven days and are not votes. Our guide about effectively contributing to such discussions is worth a read. The most common issue in these discussions is notability, but it's not the only aspect that may be discussed; read the nomination and any other comments carefully before you contribute to the discussion. Last but not least, you are highly encouraged to continue improving the article; just be sure not to remove the tag about the deletion nomination from the top. If you have any questions, please leave a comment here and prepend it with (Message delivered via the Page Curation tool, on behalf of the reviewer.) |