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The '''National Conversation''' is the name given to the ] ] exercise regarding possible future increases in its powers, up to full ].
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] and Deputy First Minister ] at the launch of the National Conversation, 14 August 2007]]
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The '''National Conversation''' was the name given to the ]'s ] exercise regarding possible future changes in the power of the ] ] and the possibility of ], a policy objective of the ], who at the time were the ] with power over devolved affairs in ], as the ]. It culminated in a multi-option white paper for a proposed ].


==Process==
It was launched on ] ] by ], the ]. It consists of a 59 page ], titled ''']''', and a ]. The white paper includes a draft ] ]. The website encourages comments to be made on the white paper. Uniquely for a public consultation exercise in the ], comments are encouraged from members of the public, rather than just ]s. The National Conversation was launched on 14 August 2007 by ], the ]. It consisted of a 59-page ], titled ], and a ]. The white paper included a draft ] for a ] to allow for negotiations with the ] on Scottish independence. The website encourages comments to be made on the white paper. Comments are encouraged from members of the public, rather than just ]s.


As a culmination to the National Conversation, a ] for the proposed ] was published on ] on 30 November 2009.<ref name=Independent30Nov09SNPReveals>{{cite news
==The unionist response==
|url = https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/snp-reveals-vision-for-independence-referendum-1831469.html
|title = SNP reveals vision for independence referendum
|work = The Independent
|date = 2009-11-30
|accessdate = 2009-11-30
|archiveurl = https://web.archive.org/web/20091203142534/http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/snp-reveals-vision-for-independence-referendum-1831469.html
|archivedate = 3 December 2009
|location = London
|first = Joe
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}}</ref><ref name=ScottishGovernment30Nov09NewsYSYV>{{cite web
|url = http://www.scotland.gov.uk/News/Releases/2009/11/27154409
|title = Your Scotland, Your Voice
|publisher = Scottish Government
|work = www.scotland.gov.uk > News > News Releases > 2009 > November > YSYV
|date = 2009-11-30
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}}</ref> The 176 page paper was titled, "Your Scotland, Your Voice".<ref name=ScottishGovernmentPDFYourScotlandYourVoice>{{cite web
|url = http://www.scotland.gov.uk/Resource/Doc/293639/0090721.pdf
|title = Your Scotland, Your Voice
|page = 176
|publisher = Scottish Government
|date = 2009-11-30
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|archiveurl = https://web.archive.org/web/20091228233940/http://www.scotland.gov.uk/Resource/Doc/293639/0090721.pdf
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}}</ref> The paper detailed four possible scenarios for Scotland's future, with the text of the Bill and Referendum to be revealed later.<ref name=Independent30Nov09SNPReveals/> The scenarios were: No Change, Devolution per the Calman Review, Full Devolution, and Full Independence.<ref name=Independent30Nov09SNPReveals/>


==Response==
The three main ] parties in ], ], ] and ], are now engaging in talks to set up a 'constitutional commission' with a view to getting expanded powers for the ] but still firmly within the ].<ref>'''', ], ], ]</ref>
On 6 December 2007, the ] voted to create a ], chaired by Sir ], and with the remit:


: To review the provisions of the Scotland Act 1998 in the light of experience and to recommend any changes to the present constitutional arrangements that would enable the Scottish Parliament to serve the people of Scotland better, improve the financial accountability of the Scottish Parliament, and continue to secure the position of Scotland within the United Kingdom.
⚫ == Influence ==


The Commission was supported by the three main ] political parties in Scotland: ], ] and ]. Wendy Alexander, at the time leader of the Labour party in the Scottish Parliament, proposed the motion, rejecting the National Conversation and an amendment proposed by the ] calling for support for the National Conversation was defeated, Ms Alexander associating it with moves towards ] and making the following response:
⚫ The initiative influenced the ] and, in March 2008, shortly before the Parti Québécois National Council, leader ] presented the party's plan to propose a ''conversation nationale'' to Quebecers as part of Marois' renewal of the party's approach on independence and ]. In this case, however, the conversation is to be solely on independence, instead of three options. The expression was met with less enthusiasm in ] and arose cynicism in the press and objection with some ].<ref>'''' by François Brousseau, ], ], '']'' </ref> Shorty after, the Parti Québécois replaced the term with ''débat sur la souveraineté'' ("debate on ]").


: The SNP amendment predictably calls for us to participate in the National Conversation, but how can the SNP possibly claim to be leading a conversation when it has already decided what the only acceptable outcome will be? Worst of all, it has no parliamentary mandate whatsoever for the conversation. How can the SNP possibly justify the use of taxpayers' money on something that is little more than propaganda?<ref></ref>
⚫ == References ==

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Notably the remit of the Commission on Scottish Devolution precludes the consideration of Scottish independence.

The rejection of the National Conversation by the Scottish Parliament has led to criticisms as to its legitimacy.<ref>{{cite news| url=https://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/columnists/alancochrane/3554991/Alex-Salmonds-national-conversation.html | work=The Daily Telegraph | location=London | title=Alex Salmond's national conversation | first=Alan | last=Cochrane | date=2008-02-14 | accessdate=2010-05-19}}</ref> Concerns have also been raised by

===Website controversy===

On 24 April 2008, ], a Labour ], claimed that the National Conversation had been met with "complete indifference" by the people of Scotland, quoting website visiting figures. He further claimed that the website had become a meeting place for SNP activists, noting also that although 41 comments had been removed from the site, "there are still ] remarks bordering on ]."<ref></ref>

⚫ == Influence ==

⚫ The initiative influenced the ]{{Citation needed|date=October 2008}} and, in March 2008, shortly before the Parti Québécois National Council, leader ] presented the party's plan to propose a ''conversation nationale'' to Quebecers as part of Marois' renewal of the party's approach on independence and ]. In this case, however, the conversation is to be solely on independence, instead of three options. The expression was met with less enthusiasm in ] and arose cynicism in the press and objection with some ].<ref>'''' by François Brousseau, 25 March 2008, '']'' {{webarchive |url=https://web.archive.org/web/20080413132628/http://www.ledevoir.com/2008/03/25/181983.html |date=13 April 2008 }}</ref> Shortly after, the Parti Québécois replaced the term with ''débat sur la souveraineté'' ("debate on ]").


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Latest revision as of 22:24, 1 May 2023

Scottish First Minister Alex Salmond and Deputy First Minister Nicola Sturgeon at the launch of the National Conversation, 14 August 2007
Alex Salmond during a speech at the National Conversation

The National Conversation was the name given to the Scottish Government's public consultation exercise regarding possible future changes in the power of the devolved Scottish Parliament and the possibility of Scottish independence, a policy objective of the Scottish National Party, who at the time were the minority government with power over devolved affairs in Scotland, as the Scottish Government. It culminated in a multi-option white paper for a proposed Referendum (Scotland) Bill, 2010.

Process

The National Conversation was launched on 14 August 2007 by Alex Salmond, the First Minister of Scotland. It consisted of a 59-page white paper, titled Choosing Scotland's Future, and a website. The white paper included a draft bill for a referendum to allow for negotiations with the UK Government on Scottish independence. The website encourages comments to be made on the white paper. Comments are encouraged from members of the public, rather than just interest groups.

As a culmination to the National Conversation, a white paper for the proposed Referendum (Scotland) Bill, 2010 was published on St. Andrew's Day on 30 November 2009. The 176 page paper was titled, "Your Scotland, Your Voice". The paper detailed four possible scenarios for Scotland's future, with the text of the Bill and Referendum to be revealed later. The scenarios were: No Change, Devolution per the Calman Review, Full Devolution, and Full Independence.

Response

On 6 December 2007, the Scottish Parliament voted to create a Commission on Scottish Devolution, chaired by Sir Kenneth Calman, and with the remit:

To review the provisions of the Scotland Act 1998 in the light of experience and to recommend any changes to the present constitutional arrangements that would enable the Scottish Parliament to serve the people of Scotland better, improve the financial accountability of the Scottish Parliament, and continue to secure the position of Scotland within the United Kingdom.

The Commission was supported by the three main pro-Union political parties in Scotland: Labour, Conservatives and Liberal Democrats. Wendy Alexander, at the time leader of the Labour party in the Scottish Parliament, proposed the motion, rejecting the National Conversation and an amendment proposed by the Scottish National Party calling for support for the National Conversation was defeated, Ms Alexander associating it with moves towards Scottish independence and making the following response:

The SNP amendment predictably calls for us to participate in the National Conversation, but how can the SNP possibly claim to be leading a conversation when it has already decided what the only acceptable outcome will be? Worst of all, it has no parliamentary mandate whatsoever for the conversation. How can the SNP possibly justify the use of taxpayers' money on something that is little more than propaganda?

Notably the remit of the Commission on Scottish Devolution precludes the consideration of Scottish independence.

The rejection of the National Conversation by the Scottish Parliament has led to criticisms as to its legitimacy. Concerns have also been raised by

Website controversy

On 24 April 2008, Lord Foulkes, a Labour Member of the Scottish Parliament, claimed that the National Conversation had been met with "complete indifference" by the people of Scotland, quoting website visiting figures. He further claimed that the website had become a meeting place for SNP activists, noting also that although 41 comments had been removed from the site, "there are still anti-English remarks bordering on racism."

Influence

The initiative influenced the Parti Québécois and, in March 2008, shortly before the Parti Québécois National Council, leader Pauline Marois presented the party's plan to propose a conversation nationale to Quebecers as part of Marois' renewal of the party's approach on independence and social democracy. In this case, however, the conversation is to be solely on independence, instead of three options. The expression was met with less enthusiasm in Quebec and arose cynicism in the press and objection with some party hardliners. Shortly after, the Parti Québécois replaced the term with débat sur la souveraineté ("debate on sovereignty").

See also

References

  1. ^ Quinn, Joe (30 November 2009). "SNP reveals vision for independence referendum". The Independent. London. Archived from the original on 3 December 2009. Retrieved 30 November 2009.
  2. "Your Scotland, Your Voice". www.scotland.gov.uk > News > News Releases > 2009 > November > YSYV. Scottish Government. 30 November 2009. Archived from the original on 7 June 2011. Retrieved 30 November 2009.
  3. "Your Scotland, Your Voice" (PDF). Scottish Government. 30 November 2009. p. 176. Archived from the original (PDF) on 28 December 2009. Retrieved 30 November 2009.
  4. Parliamentary Business : Scottish Parliament
  5. Cochrane, Alan (14 February 2008). "Alex Salmond's national conversation". The Daily Telegraph. London. Retrieved 19 May 2010.
  6. SNP's national conversation 'a chatroom for cybernats' – The Scotsman
  7. Logique impériale by François Brousseau, 25 March 2008, Le Devoir Archived 13 April 2008 at the Wayback Machine

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