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== January music == | ||
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| john is unliked because he told me to stop "vandalizing" articles and i will be relived of my editing thing too bad i can make a new account <small><span class="autosigned">—Preceding ] comment added by ] (] • ]) 02:41, 4 October 2008 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> | |||
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| :Yes. Wouldn't it be better to find another hobby or even edit constructively, which is a lot of fun. Good luck anyway. --] (]) 02:46, 4 October 2008 (UTC) | |||
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| == The Military history WikiProject Newsletter : Issue XXXI (September 2008) == | |||
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| The ''']''' of the Military history WikiProject newsletter has been published. You may read the newsletter, change the format in which future issues will be delivered to you, or unsubscribe from this notification by following the link. Thank you.<br /><small>This has been an automated delivery by ] (]) 22:55, 6 October 2008 (UTC)</small> | |||
| Happy new year 2025, opened with ] that first sounded OTD in 1725 (as the Main page has). - I saw ] by Rimsky-Korsakov, - see ]. -- ] (]) 17:41, 1 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
| :Happy New Year! ] (]) 20:47, 1 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
| == ] == | |||
| :: Did you listen to the music? (Take the last movement if you have little time, but the yt not the lilypond). --] (]) 21:57, 1 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
| :::Not yet. Home tomorrow. Will try then. ] (]) 00:22, 2 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
| Ok, it's just that this user has a complete disregard for relevancy and insist that it should redirect to the book. The band is more notable and is view around x10 more times than the book. – ]] 02:24, 9 October 2008 (UTC) | |||
| :::: ], my ] 300 years after the first performance, is up for GAN. ] will be my story tomorrow. --] (]) 21:23, 6 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
| :Replied at your talk. --] (]) 03:23, 9 October 2008 (UTC) | |||
| ::::: Lovely! Keep up the good work. ] (]) 23:18, 6 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
| :::::: I try ;) - My ] is about a composer who influenced music history also by writing. --] (]) 10:03, 8 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
| == Spelling error == | |||
| :::::::Fascinating. I had never heard of him. ] (]) 17:50, 8 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
| :::::::: same for me --] (]) 20:20, 8 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
| Hey, I was just checking your user page and I notice that you like to fix spelling mistakes, I also notice that in the same sentence you spelt "errors" wrong by spelling it "erors". If this was intended as a joke, I apologize but this is just a heads up. – ]] 02:59, 9 October 2008 (UTC) | |||
| :Thanks Jerry, you're right it was intended as a joke but since you mention it it isn't really all that funny any more. Feel free to correct it, or else I will. --] (]) 03:13, 9 October 2008 (UTC) | |||
| == Thinking about a return == | |||
| Hi John, I'm thinking about coming back to editing. Reading over the ], I've noticed a lot of small things that could be improved. Also, after my departure, no one seems to be working to bring it up to GA status, though it was almost there at the time I was banned. I have mentioned this to ], who had already ] if I wanted the ban lifted. At that time I said no thanks, and I still have my doubts. I'm not likely to edit very differently, which will probably be perceived by the same people who got me banned as POV pushing. They seem to get what they want, and they still have that ArbCom ruling to invoke when they get annoyed. I was encouraged a little by Jehochman's suggestion, since his opinion of my editing has been quite poor. But I think I'm still of the mind that in order to come back, ArbCom would have to rule the the original ban was unjustified. Otherwise lifting my ban would implicitly be predicated on time served and a promise not to do it again. Like I say, I ''am'' likely to do it again. My editing was improving the article(s), and improvements seem to have stalled. Do you have any advice on this?--] (]) 07:14, 10 October 2008 (UTC) | |||
| : I personally would support your return. I think things are gradually changing in this area and my hope would be that you could be part of the solution in improving these articles. What would you like me to do? --] (]) 13:49, 10 October 2008 (UTC) | |||
| :: I'm not sure. I think Jehochman is right that I could get the ban lifted by applying to AE. But I how can I do that without admitting any wrongdoing?--] (]) 20:53, 10 October 2008 (UTC) | |||
| :::I've Jehochman directly. Let's see what he says. --] (]) 05:43, 13 October 2008 (UTC) | |||
| ::::Thanks for this. I'm looking forward to hearing the "advice", conditions, etc. BTW, It looks like activity is picking up again. But if I'm not mistaken my contributions will not be welcome. It looks like I'd be in opposition.--] (]) 18:03, 18 October 2008 (UTC) | |||
| ==The Sewer Cover Barnstar== | |||
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| |style="vertical-align: middle; border-top: 1px solid gray;" | You have been awarded the Sewer Cover Barnstar. You have received this, in part, because you were “the first on your block” to link to ]. More important though, you are helping to spread the message among the Wikipedian community that links within our articles should always be topical and germane, that properly chosen links anticipate what the readership of any given article would likely be interested in further reading, and that judiciously selected links invite exploration and learning. Thanks. <span style="white-space:nowrap;">''']''' (])</span> 15:51, 11 October 2008 (UTC) | |||
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| :Wow, thank you very much. I have placed a copy on my awards page. --] (]) 18:04, 11 October 2008 (UTC) | |||
| :* ''Eighteen awards!''  The grass always looks greener on the other side of the fence. I’ve only got one barnstar. Congratulations. ''':'''·P <span style="white-space:nowrap;">''']''' (])</span> 19:06, 11 October 2008 (UTC) | |||
| ::I tried to even it up slightly. --] (]) 19:18, 11 October 2008 (UTC) | |||
| :::* Believe it or not, I wasn’t fishing. It seems there are barstars for ''everything'': '''For major contributions to articles on Lithuanian Seikh Ph.D. physicians who worked at the Mayo Clinic.''' Quite unexpected. Thanks. <span style="white-space:nowrap;">''']''' (])</span> 20:46, 11 October 2008 (UTC) | |||
| == Delinking dates == | |||
| Hi, John. I noticed that you used a script to delink dates within references on ]. That's fine (I know that linking dates is now deprecated), but it has a side effect: many of the dates in the references are now displayed in ] format, which is not widely understood among readers. | |||
| I think that in a case like ], it's appropriate to format those dates in the standard UK format (11 October 2008), and ] agrees. Is it possible for you to adjust the script you're using to change these ISO 8601 dates to the British standard, or to the American standard (October 11, 2008) for US-related articles? —] <small>(] • ])</small> 02:32, 12 October 2008 (UTC) | |||
| :Nice comment. I noticed that as I was doing it. Maybe a word to the script creator to include ISO conversion is in order. The real damage was done of course by whoever thought it a good idea to use this format in articles. Let me see what I can do. --] (]) 02:34, 12 October 2008 (UTC) | |||
| ::Thanks. The use of ISO format in citations is very widespread, because it was actively encouraged in the examples for a long time. (I think that some citation templates actually worked ''only'' with dates in ISO format, although I'm pretty sure that's no longer the case.) I don't think there are many dates in ISO format in article text, but there are probably millions of cases in citation footnotes. —] <small>(] • ])</small> 02:43, 12 October 2008 (UTC) | |||
| == Technicolor Web of Sound Bios You Deleted == | |||
| Not sure if your going to get this or not, but Technicolor Web of Sound is a legitimate source for Beatles, Grateful Dead, Jefferson Airplane, etc., bio information endorsed by many of the artists featured there themselves. The bio information would be considered very uselful by WikiPedia users....this is not spam. Please reconsider your deletion of the bio links we posted and get back to me either way at paulmaze@techwebsound.com. | |||
| Thanks! <small><span class="autosigned">—Preceding ] comment added by ] (] • ]) 03:00, 16 October 2008 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> | |||
| :You might want to have a look at this and this ]. ] (]) 21:38, 16 October 2008 (UTC) | |||
| == Question == | |||
| Do you really believe that those frustrations were caused by ''my'' actions?--] (]) 21:18, 20 October 2008 (UTC) | |||
| :Nice question. It reminds me of the advice an old boss of mine once gave me: that we should try to judge others by their intentions and ourselves by our results, rather than vice versa. It is extraordinarily hard to do and yet vital on a project like ours. If you can do that more I think you will have no problems in coming back. --] (]) 21:20, 20 October 2008 (UTC) | |||
| ::But hold on a second: I was banned for making an edit (once) that I had discussed on the talk pages. How did my judgment of others (and myself) bring that about? More significantly, I'm not sure I'm comfortable with the idea of judging people by their intentions. We have such imperfect access to them (especially in a project like this). We should judge Wikipedians by the work they do, not what we think their game is.--] (]) 21:39, 20 October 2008 (UTC) | |||
| :::I am like TheGoodLocust?--] (]) 21:56, 20 October 2008 (UTC) | |||
| ::::Well, to the degree that you wish to improve articles in only one area of the project, yes. As to judging people by their intentions, this is merely a restatement of ]. Like you, I do have a problem with the way you were treated, but I think it will be more productive if you are able to acknowledge people's concerns. I know you are familiar with the whole SPA business, and obviously not all single purpose accounts are problematic. But, like it or not, there is real concern about someone who only wants to add content in one narrow area. The bit I wanted you to read on that talk page was where I recommended the user get some more experience improving other areas. In my experience this can give a lot more perspective to an editor who normally only edits one area. Sadly that user did not choose to take my advice and got blocked as a result. I would hate for both of us to go to a lot of trouble to have your ban remitted and then to end up back where we started. --] (]) 23:06, 20 October 2008 (UTC) | |||
| ::::: I think Misplaced Pages, as an internet community, should be judged by the way it treats its SPAs. I think that is in Misplaced Pages's own interest. You need to find a way to welcome people, and retain them, without demanding that they identify with (or are passionate, if you will, about) the whole project. That's essential to the success of a Web 2.0 community. (You don't find YouTube or blogger banning people who follow the content rules but pursue a narrow interest.) I agree with your last sentence, and I think as a prediction it is accurate. I think there are two ways to avoid a repeat: either I acknowledge the wisdom of the ban (which is really what you are suggesting--i.e., that my presence was the problem that could be solved), or the WP community acknowledges its error. I think we've explored these options enough for now. I'll think about it some more. Thanks again for your time. Happy editing.--] (]) 05:42, 21 October 2008 (UTC) | |||
| :::::: I'm giving it a shot. --] (]) 19:58, 23 October 2008 (UTC) | |||
| ==MediaWiki:Non-free use list== | |||
| Hi John. I saw your name at ]. The matter came up again at ]. I ] on Tim Starling's page to develop MediaWiki that would prevent images from displaying on pages where consensus at Misplaced Pages:Non-free content review determines that such display does not meet NFCC and be used only for images where editors repeatedly ignore that Non-free content review consensus. Please let me know your thoughts. Thanks. -- ] ] 01:21, 24 October 2008 (UTC) | |||
| == Sorry to be a pain == | |||
| == Lake Michigan Monster == | |||
| Hi John, thanks, again, for your efforts. I won't bother the community much longer. The idea of a ] suprised me: | |||
| hey, it has been a while since I have done major work on '']''. I am thinking of putting it up for FA nomination, however I wanted to run by you first to see if all the prose is the high quality it needs to be and if there are parts I should work on. ] (]) 22:04, 5 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
| :Pardons are sometimes offered to persons who, it is claimed, have been wrongfully convicted. However, '''accepting such a pardon implicitly constitutes an admission of guilt''', so in some cases the offer is refused (cases of wrongful conviction are nowadays more often dealt with by appeal than by pardon). | |||
| :Looks pretty good to me. What does {{u|Ceoil}} think? ] (]) 22:33, 5 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
| ::He has not been on the past week or so and has not replied to a chat I sent. I guess we will have to wait and see.--] (]) 23:13, 5 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
| == +rollback == | |||
| Thus, my appeal. I appreciate your remarks about my dignity. Please understand that whatever dignity I may have is grounded in precisely the sort of stand I am taking now. The "forward looking", pardon-accepting approach assumes that I have something to gain from editing here. I don't. Misplaced Pages has something to gain from letting people like me do exactly the sort of work I have been doing all along. If there were more like me, needless to say, I'd have a lot of fun here. Regardless of what "side" they are on. But the important thing is that the articles would improve.--] (]) 07:26, 24 October 2008 (UTC) | |||
| :(PS I know you weren't suggesting that I accept a pardon. But you were suggesting I was asking for one. Technically, moreover, Jehochman ''is'' almost suggesting a pardon.--] (]) 07:28, 24 October 2008 (UTC)) | |||
| Hi {{u|John}}, as a former administrator and thus obviously also a former rollbacker, you won't need the following information. But getting a permission (and granting it, admittedly) would only be half as enjoyable (to me, admittedly) without the message I customized for this purpose. So I absolutely have to. Feel free to remove it and welcome back! ] (]) 22:27, 6 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
| ::Thanks for the clarification. My point was though that we do not deal in pardons. As an informal, non-legalistic community, we deal in consensus. You need to generate or demonstrate a consensus that having you work on 9/11-related articles will be a net positive to the project. In my opinion, this is more likely to work if you can demonstrate an understanding of where you went wrong last time, even if you still disagree with the sanction that was placed on you. This is what I mean by moving forwards. --] (]) 16:12, 24 October 2008 (UTC) | |||
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| :::I really mean it when I say that this isn't about what I need to do to be allowed to come back. It's about what the community needs to do to keep guys like me around. As people sometimes point out, if I want to edit WP there's plenty of places I'm still allowed to do that. There's a reason I don't. I'm not asking for a second chance. I'm offering one.--] (]) 20:57, 24 October 2008 (UTC) | |||
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| After reviewing your request, I have added your account to the ] group. Keep in mind these things when using rollback: | |||
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| *Because the plain default rollback link does not provide any explanatory edit summary, it ] to revert good faith contributions, even if these contributions are ]. Take the time to write a proper summary whenever you're dealing with a lack of neutrality or verifiability; a short explanation like "<code><nowiki>]</nowiki></code>" or "<code><nowiki>]</nowiki></code>" is helpful. | |||
| *Rollback may never be used to ], which you'll notice to be surprisingly tempting in genuine content disputes. Please especially keep the ] in mind. If you see others edit warring, please file a report at ]. The most helpful essay I've ever seen is ]; it is especially important for those who review content regularly. | |||
| *If you encounter private information or threats of physical harm during your patrols, please quickly use ] or ]; ideally bookmark these pages now. See ] and ] for details. If you're regularly patrolling recent changes, you <em>will</em> need both contacts sooner or later, and you'll be happy about the bookmarks. | |||
| To try rollback for the first time, you may like to make an edit to ], and another one, and another one, and then revert the row with one click. I'm sure you'll do great with rollback, but feel free to leave me a message on ] if you run into trouble or have any questions about rollback. Thank you for your time and work in cleaning up Misplaced Pages. Happy editing!<!-- "User:ToBeFree/rollbackgiven", loosely based on "Template:Rollback granted 3" --> | |||
| I didn't delete any content anywhere what are you talking about? Get a life. <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 17:04, 26 October 2008 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> | |||
| Best regards,<br>] (]) 22:27, 6 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
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| Regarding your comment on ScienceApologist's talkpage, I support the idea of an enforced wikibreak, by block or topic ban, especially because of recent tactics such as filing a GAR with language of "pro cold fusion love-in", and filing an MfD on another editor's userpage. Per the Pseudoscience Arb case, any uninvolved admin can take action here. I'm thinking a minimum of a page ban from the ] article and related pages, but a full topic ban from the pseudoscience topic area for 30 days might also be useful. Or were you thinking of a full block? --]]] 02:19, 27 October 2008 (UTC) | |||
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:Ooooh! Rollback. How very ! ] (]) 22:31, 6 January 2025 (UTC) | ||
| ::Oh heh! I didn't know that's a thing. ] (]) 22:38, 6 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
| :::Yes, now we can all see why users ] to become ] and/or ]. Yay! ] (]) 22:46, 6 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
| *Many thanks, {{u|ToBeFree}} and thanks for the really nice message and carefully crafted template. ] (]) 00:24, 7 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
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| A Note on threading:
Interpersonal communication does not work when messages are left on individual users' talk pages rather than threaded, especially when a third party wishes to read or reply. Being a "bear of very little brain", I get easily confused when trying to follow conversations that bounce back and forth, so I've decided to try the convention that many others seem to use, aggregation of messages on either your talk page or my talk page. If the conversation is about an article I will try to aggregate on the article's talk page.
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January music
Happy new year 2025, opened with trumpet fanfares that first sounded OTD in 1725 (as the Main page has). - I saw a lovely opera by Rimsky-Korsakov, - see here. -- Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:41, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
Lake Michigan Monsterhey, it has been a while since I have done major work on Lake Michigan Monster. I am thinking of putting it up for FA nomination, however I wanted to run by you first to see if all the prose is the high quality it needs to be and if there are parts I should work on. Paleface Jack (talk) 22:04, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
+rollbackHi John, as a former administrator and thus obviously also a former rollbacker, you won't need the following information. But getting a permission (and granting it, admittedly) would only be half as enjoyable (to me, admittedly) without the message I customized for this purpose. So I absolutely have to. Feel free to remove it and welcome back! ~ ToBeFree (talk) 22:27, 6 January 2025 (UTC)  Hi John, After reviewing your request, I have added your account to the rollback group. Keep in mind these things when using rollback:
To try rollback for the first time, you may like to make an edit to WP:Sandbox, and another one, and another one, and then revert the row with one click. I'm sure you'll do great with rollback, but feel free to leave me a message on my talk page if you run into trouble or have any questions about rollback. Thank you for your time and work in cleaning up Misplaced Pages. Happy editing! Best regards,
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