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	==First section==
	what about the principality of sealand

			== Semi-protected edit request on 6 May 2015 ==
	Shouldn't this be at ]? ]''']
	:I think so, hence I moved it. ] 16:12, 23 Apr 2004 (UTC)
	::Shouldn't it actually be at ]? ] ] 14:31, 24 October 2005 (UTC)
	:::It will be completely matched with what is done to flags (there gonna be 2 pages). Just give me some time. ] 18:21, 24 October 2005 (UTC)
	::Ok, the page is moved. Now need to create the same thing for not sovereign states. Any volunteers? ;) ] 23:29, 29 October 2005 (UTC)

			{{edit semi-protected\|Gallery of country coats of arms\|answered=yes}}
	==Russia==
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	Ehm, Russia's appears to be too big. New Russian domination coming here? ] 02:23, 22 Mar 2005 (UTC)
			On this page, in the countries starting with an S. All countries coat of arms are there, except for South Africa's coat of arms. Also on the countries starting with a G. Grenada's coat of arms are missing. Please as soon as possible get these countries coat of arms in there, so none are missing. Thank You
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			] (]) 13:13, 6 May 2015 (UTC)
			:] '''Done'''<!-- Template:ESp --> ] <small>]</small> 23:01, 6 May 2015 (UTC)

	==~~South Africa~~==		==Venezuela==
			Venezuela is missing. Please add that in. Thanks. <small class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 08:07, 26 April 2016 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
	Just a question... What happened to South Africa's COA? ] (]) 15:41, 30 October 2008 (UTC)
			:It was ] when the ] was deleted, but hadn't been restored after the image's reupload. It's back now. ] (]) 08:42, 26 April 2016 (UTC)

	==~~American~~ ~~Samoa~~==		==Papua New Guinea==
			Papua New Guinea is missing. Please add that in. Thanks. <!-- Template:Unsigned IP --><small class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 13:20, 3 March 2017 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

			== Semi-protected edit request on 12 January 2018 ==
	Why is this linked to externally? Are there copyright issues? Would it look out of step? --] 22:18, 20 Jun 2004 (UTC)

			{{edit semi-protected\|Gallery of country coats of arms\|answered=yes}}
	So are the Marshall Islands and others may be too, but i haven't checked--
			The South African coat of arms is not there, can someone put it there please? Thank you ] (]) 22:14, 12 January 2018 (UTC)
	] 23:36 12 Sept 2004 (UTC)
			:{{done}}. '''] ]''' 23:34, 12 January 2018 (UTC)

			== Arms of Canada ==
	==Category==
	I have have just added this article to the category "Coat of Arms" --] 01:46, 25 Sep 2004 (UTC)

			I changed the image used for the Arms of Canada to show the current arms, which are surrounded by a circlet with the motto of the Order of Canada. The change was reverted to the previous arms without the circlet with a reference to ]. I understand why non-free images shouldn't necessarily be used, and I understand that the current arms are protected by Crown copyright. However, ] allows for exceptions on a case-by-case basis. If this gallery is of arms and emblems of sovereign states, shouldn't it show the current forms of those arms? Pinging {{u\|Marchjuly}} as the editor who reverted my change. — ] ⚓ ] ⚓ ] ⚓ ] 08:41, 3 July 2018 (UTC)
	== Repitition ==
			:You added the file to the article without providing the seperate specific ] required by ], so the file was removed. If you truly feel that the non-free use of this file in this article is justified, please provide the necessary rationale per ]. The rationale should specifically address each of the ten non-free content use criteria listed in ] and how the file's non-free use in this satisfies (or at least how you feel it satsifies) these criterion. However, just providing a rationale does not automatically mean that the particular non-free use is policy compliant as explained in ]. If still feels that this is not the case, they can (1) tag the file with {{tl\|di-disputed fair use rationale}} or (2) start a discussion at ]. Similarly, you can start a discussion at FFD explaining why you feel the non-free use is justified and try to establish a consensus in support.
			:The "exception" to NFG that you're referring to above is rarely ever granted. This is because pages such as this are basically one big image gallery per se which lack the specific sourced critical commentary generally considered necessary to provide the ] required by ]. Articles such as this are also essentially a big list article of image entries and using non-free content to illustrate a single entry is almost never allowed per ]. The only cases where I can remember seeing non-free images being used in a gallery markup are those where there is significant critical commentary of the image itself somewhere in the body of the article. Normally, the image would be located near that article content, but in some cases multiple images might be being critically discussed/compared and presenting the images together in simple gallery markup within the relevant section is done for mainly for formatting purposes.
			:As for your question regarding whether using the current version of a COA should be allowed to be used, the file has been previously removed before by {{u\|Trackratte}} ] and ] and the edit sums left seem to imply the free-version is still being used and current to some degree in addition to the use of the non-free version being unacceptable. There also appears to have been ] related to the use of non-free files in this article back in 2014 though ] might be the most relevant when it comes to the application of the WP:NFCCP to this type of image use.
			:Finally, there are ] that some similar articles use which might be something at least worth discussing. For example, ] uses ] for non-free content with a link to either a stand-alone article about the image itself or the main article for the city where the flag can be seen. In this cases, ] already exists, so using a placeholder image and linking to that article seems to be a viable alternative per item 6 of ]. In ], ] (without placeholders) to file pages are used in lieu of actually displaying non-free images, but that might not work in a gallery markup. Pipe links are often used in table markup since non-free image use is pretty much never allowed per ] for the same reasons as given for galleries, so an alternative to actually displaying the image is used instead. Part of the the NFCCP is ] which asks us to endeavor to find alternatives to non-free use whenever possible in order to minimize non-free use as much as possible. This is why placeholders + links, or simply links themselves are often used in articles instead of actual files. -- ] (]) 05:11, 4 July 2018 (UTC)
			::Thank you for the detailed response. I understand why the current arms cannot be displayed on this list, and I understand why it is highly unlikely that they could be displayed until the Crown copyright expires. — ] ⚓ ] ⚓ ] ⚓ ] 06:41, 4 July 2018 (UTC)
			It has been about 25 years since the arms were changed and this page still shows the previous one... There is a file for the new arms on Misplaced Pages already (see below), so why can't it be used?

	Some of the lists repeat. It goes from A-G and then back to A again and so forth. Can somebody who knows what they're doing fix it?

			== A Commons file used on this page has been nominated for speedy deletion ==
	== Matching ==
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	Do you think the list here should match what is listed at ] and ]? ] ] 18:57, 1 May 2005 (UTC)
			* ]<!-- COMMONSBOT: speedy \| 2019-01-27T23:57:23.167673 \| Seal of Mauritania (December 2018).svg -->
			You can see the reason for deletion at the file description page linked above. —] (]) 23:57, 27 January 2019 (UTC)

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	== Link of individual articles ==
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			* ]<!-- COMMONSBOT: discussion \| 2019-01-28T05:07:42.105243 \| Seal of Mauritania (December 2018).svg -->
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	This article should provide links to the individual CoA articles, like ] or ]. --]] 08:40, 6 May 2005 (UTC)
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			* ]<!-- COMMONSBOT: discussion \| 2019-02-14T20:12:02.047840 \| Great coat of arms of Luxembourg.svg -->
			Participate in the deletion discussion at the ]. —] (]) 20:12, 14 February 2019 (UTC)

			== Separate section for unrecognized states? ==
	:I'm planning to do this. Curently in the process of making uniform redirects -- ] ] 9 July 2005 19:12 (UTC)

			In the ] the disputed states, such as Kosovo and Taiwan, are kept in a separate section at the bottom of the article, yet here they are mixed in with the rest of the states. Considering the fact that both of these galleries are part of ] I feel like this is inconsistency and that either both pages should have an "other" section or neither of them should.] (]) 15:13, 27 June 2019 (UTC)
	== Taiwan ==

			== Seals ==
	We should link to Taiwan because the picture posted here is the National Emblem of the Republic of China, not the National Emblem of Taiwan. No one calls it the "National Emblem of Taiwan" in Chinese. Linking to Taiwan will confuse people since the political entity from which this emblem arises is not the subject of the Taiwan article. --]] 22:35, 6 May 2005 (UTC)

			{{ping\|DiegoAma}} According to the first sentence of the article, {{tq\|his gallery of sovereign state coats of arms shows the coat of arms, an emblem serving a similar purpose or both}}. You inserted the ] (), and the ] (). Can you show us some sources that prove that those seals are being used for {{tq\|similar purpose}}s to the national coat of arms? '''] ]''' 21:30, 30 July 2019 (UTC)
	==England, Scotland and Wales==
	Not sure whether theses should be in the list, I added England and Wales as Scotland was here. Maybe sublists for subnational entities is required as on the ]--] 09:01, 5 August 2005 (UTC)

			*The first sentence also says " (such as greater and lesser coat of arms, national emblem or seal)". The article explicitly states that seals are within the scope of the article and should be included. I don't need to prove that seals serve a similar purpose to a coat of arms if the article is about coats of arms ''and'' seals. ] (]) 00:22, 31 July 2019 (UTC)
	==Moving everything to gallery and deleting Palau note==
			**{{ping\|DiegoAma}} No, you are reading it the wrong way. The first sentence says that the gallery covers {{tq\|national emblems or seals}}, but only ''as long as'' they are {{tq\|serving a similar purpose}} as the coat of arms. That's why emblems and seals are in the parenthesis. '''] ]''' 00:35, 31 July 2019 (UTC)
	I moved everything into gallery format because the old table looked really badly ugly. Want to keep table - revert. And I was also forced to delete a note about Palau. There is no file for their COA, there was just a link to outside website that showed something similar to the COA (full message: ] This is the Exectutive Seal, but is close in form to the National Arms). ] 22:49, 22 October 2005 (UTC)
			***I think that a national seal, by very definition, serves a similar purpose to a national coat of arms. They are both insignia used by the government to identify and represent the nation. For some countries, like the US and Japan, the terms seal and coat of arms represent the same insignia. In Brazil, the seal is actually used more than the coat of arms (and is seen on the national flag). As such, national seals ''are'' used for similar purposes to coats of arms: to serve as a visual representation of the nation to be used by the government. ] (]) 00:53, 31 July 2019 (UTC)
			****Clearly beyond beyond scope. The seal added for Canada is not used to represent Canada and is not used in the same way as the coat of arms. As another editor clearly states the scope of the article and what is currently there clearly is for coats of arms. ] (]) 21:34, 4 August 2019 (UTC)

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	== Links to commons:National insignia ==
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			* ]<!-- COMMONSBOT: discussion \| 2020-02-14T17:36:45.420431 \| South African Cultural History Museum coat of arms (cropped).png -->
			Participate in the deletion discussion at the ]. —] (]) 17:36, 14 February 2020 (UTC)

			== Edit request ==
	There should be an effort here to improve the organisation of Misplaced Pages by trying to use some standardization and also to provide better multilingual resources. I would suggest to replace all the links in this table with those to ]. I suppose that some more cleanup would be necessary e.g. regarding infoboxes in coutry articles etc. ] 18:46, 23 October 2005 (UTC)

			{{Edit semi-protected\|answered=yes}}
			Can anyone replace the file of the coat of arms of Barbados with ], which is used elsewhere? This is the only non-user page to use this other file. ] (]) 12:49, 4 November 2021 (UTC)
			: {{done}}. Eh, no harm. ] <small>(])</small> 05:29, 23 November 2021 (UTC)

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			* ]<!-- COMMONSBOT: discussion \| 2022-01-14T02:52:23.563770 \| Coat of arms of Kenya.svg -->
			Participate in the deletion discussion at the ]. —] (]) 02:52, 14 January 2022 (UTC)

			== Official arms for Canada and South Africa ==
	== Differences with commons:National insignia ==

			Official renditions of the current arms of Canada and South Africa cannot be used on this page, as Misplaced Pages's policy on non-free use of these copyrighted images is rarely granted even when a non-free use rationale is given. This has been noted previously on the talk page.
	I think we should use the same image files as in ]. I have compiled three lists that show the differences between these two data bases until now.
			Although old variations of the arms of Canada are now in the public domain, it is misleading to add them to a gallery of present national emblems rather than a page dedicated to historical coats of arms. Free media renditions are available that remain faithful to present heraldic descriptions of these arms, and this is the next best available alternative that does not resort to displaying defunct historical renditions.
	A very sensible thing would be to delete this article (as well as the corresponding flag article) and create a mirror to the commons:National insignia article and make all changes there, so that there would be much less hassle to maintainance.
			] (]) 22:42, 26 February 2022 (UTC)
	] 19:38, 25 October 2005 (UTC)
			:The 1957 Arms are still in official use and were never superseded. They are still in official use in RCMP ranks, Canadian Forces ranks, and certain official letter heads.
	:Nope, commons is not a place for any sort of articles. It's like a central place to store images. It's a good idea to replace images on this page with the images from commons and delete these ones. But surely not deleting this article. ] 21:12, 25 October 2005 (UTC)
			: Second, as an official logo, the precepts of blazonry have nothing to do with this discussion. We are not discussing what is heraldically correct. For example, there are numerous different ways you can depict the Canadian Flag while still being completely hin line with the tenets of heraldry, but that is completely irrelevant, as the Flag of Canada is not only a heraldic device but an official logo.
			: In cases where there is no other option using a user self made rendition it may be better than nothing. However, in this case we have an official logo that's allowable for use, and this specific rendition is a current official state emblem. ] (]) 23:14, 28 February 2022 (UTC)
			::I have to disagree with the claim that the precepts of blazonry have nothing to do with this discussion, especially considering that this article is an '']'' of sovereign states. Were it merely a "Gallery of national emblems" this would be a valid argument.
			:: Furthermore, this is not necessarily a list of emblems in official use by government agencies, but of emblems used to represent the state as a whole. These agencies may use the 1957 Arms as a symbol of their affiliation with the state, but this is not necessarily the same as the symbol used by the state itself.
			:: While not every state in this list has an emblem that conforms to the rules of heraldry, and not every emblem listed has even been officially adopted by law, in cases where there is an official emblem that conforms to the rules of heraldry (Canada included), it seems that the best option would be to represent that emblem according to the same rules its current official rendition aims to abide by.
			:: The 1957 Arms may be relevant in an article showing a ''logo'' used by a government ''agency'', but I don't feel that it is the best option for representing the ''state'' in an '']'' of sovereign states.
			:: ] (]) 02:27, 1 March 2022 (UTC)

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	===Coa in commons but not here===
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			* ]<!-- COMMONSBOT: discussion \| 2022-03-20T18:22:53.495729 \| Official Donetsk People's Republic coat of arms.svg -->
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			== Edit request ==
	These are not sovereign states and don't belong here, nor in commons. ] 01:04, 26 October 2005 (UTC)

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	* Image:Aruba coa large.jpg\|Coat of arms of Aruba
			Can anyone change ] to ], as the latter is the one who appears in the article ]? ] (]) 18:22, 4 April 2022 (UTC)
	* Image:Coat of arms of British Virgin Islands.png\|Coat of arms of British Virgin Islands
			:Yeah I dont see why not {{Done}} Happy Editing--''']]''' 06:00, 5 April 2022 (UTC)
	* Image:Falkland Islands coat of arms (British).png\|Coat of arms of the Falkland Islands
	* Image:Vedrur.png\|Coat of Arms of the Faroes
	* Image:Guam COA.png\|Coat of arms of Guam

			== A Commons file used on this page or its Wikidata item has been nominated for deletion ==
	:This was because the list was ill-defined as "national" coats of arms. As you've made into it sovereign states only I have created a sub-list for UK overseas territories. --] 11:54, 26 October 2005 (UTC)
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			Participate in the deletion discussion at the ]. —] (]) 20:09, 4 May 2022 (UTC)

			== Taliban Afghanistan emblem is missing ==
	===Coa here but not in commons===

			You may see in the page about the ] which file is to be summoned in the gallery, instead of that blank placeholder.
	Note: there seems to be copyright problems when moving these to commons. see the discussion page of ].
			I would have done the edit myself, were the page not locked. ] (]) 16:01, 31 January 2023 (UTC)

			== Edit request regarding the coat of arms of Liechtenstein ==
	* Image:Coaafghanistan.jpg
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	* Image:Andorra_coa.png
	* Image:Argentina_coa.png
	* Image:Barbados_coa.png
	* Image:Belgium_coat_of_arms_small.png
	* Image:Belize_coa.png
	* Image:Bhutan_emblem.png
	* Image:BoliviaArms.gif
	* Image:Bostwanaarms22.PNG
	* Image:Bulgaria_coa.png
	* Image:Burkinaarms22.PNG
	* Image:Coa cambodia.jpg
	* Image:Bigcancoat.png
	* Image:Capeverdearms22.PNG
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	* Image:Comoros_coat_of_arms_small.gif
	* Image:CostaRica_coa.jpg
	* Image:Coa cote d ivory.jpg
	* Image:Croatia_coat_small.png
	* Image:Cuba_coa.png
	* Image:Cyprus_Coat_of_Arms.png
	* Image:ZaireCoat.png
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	* Image:Dominica23.PNG
	* Image:Dominican_republic_coa.gif
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	* Image:Ecuador COA.jpg
	* Image:Coat of arms of Egypt.png
	* Image:El Salvador coa.gif
	* Image:Equaarms22.PNG
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	* Image:Grenadaarms22.PNG
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	* Image:Coaguinea-bissau.jpg
	* Image:Guyana_coa.png
	* Image:Haiti_coat_of_arms.png
	* Image:Honduras_COA.gif
	* Image:ISLcoat.gif
	* Image:EmblemofIndia-small.png
	* Image:Indonesiacoatofarms.jpg
	* Image:Iran_coa.png
	* Image:Ireland_coa.png
	* Image:Israel-coa-medium.png
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	* Image:Coat of Arms Lithuania.gif
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	* Image:Macau coa.png
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	* Image:PapuaNewGuinea_coa.png
	* Image:Philippine_coat-of-arms.png
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	===coa that are different here than in commons===

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	Note: some cao are labeled "emblems" here but not in commons
			@] @]
	here is how they are in commons:
			Could you please replace the coat of arms of Liechtenstein with File:Staatswappen-Liechtensteins.svg?
			According to the currently used file, File:National_Coat_of_arms_of_Liechtenstein.svg, it contains multiple undisputed inaccuracies:
			1st quarter, 2nd quarter, and 4th quarter do not follow the legally defined description. ] (]) 15:08, 31 March 2023 (UTC)

			:{{Done}} ] (]) 17:31, 31 March 2023 (UTC)
	* Image:Albania_state_emblem.png\|Coat of arms of Albania
	* Image:Coat of Arms Angola.jpg\|Coat of arms of Angola
	* Image:Antigua and Barbuda coat of arms.jpg\|Coat of Arms of Antigua and Barbuda
	* Image:Armenia-coa.png\|Coat of arms of Armenia
	* Image:Aust_Coat_of_Arms_(large).jpg\|Coat of arms of Australia
	* Image:Austria coa.gif\|Coat of arms of Austria
	* Image:Azerbaijan coa.png\|Coat of Arms of Azerbaijan
	* Image:Bahamas coat of arms.jpg\|Coat of Arms of the Bahamas
	* Image:Coa bahrain small.jpg\|Coat of arms of Bahrain
	* Image:Bangladesh coa.png\|Coat of Arms of Bangladesh
	* Image:Belarus coa.png\|Coat of Arms of Belarus
	* Image:Benin.gif\|Coat of Arms of Benin
	* Image:Bosnia and Herzegovina Coats of Arms.png\|Coat of Arms of Bosnia and Herzegovina
	* Image:Coat of Brasil.png\|Seal of Brasilian Republic
	* Image:Brunei coa.jpg\|Coat of Arms of Brunei
	* Image:Coa_burundi.jpg\|Coat of Arms of Burundi
	* Image:Cameroon_coa.jpg\|Coat of Arms of Cameroon
	* Image:Centralaf22.png\|Coat of Arms of the Central African Republic
	* Image:Chad_coa.jpg\|Coat of Arms of Chad
	* Image:Chile COA.jpg\|Coat of arms of Chile
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			== Semi-protected edit request on 14 January 2024 ==
	== Unprotecting ==

			{{Edit semi-protected\|Armorial of sovereign states\|answered=yes}}
	Seeing as how things have calmed down over the last two days, I'll unprotect this and see if the vandalism starts up again. <span style="font-family:Verdana;">''']]]''' <small>{]}</small></span> 21:41, 20 January 2006 (UTC)
			Change 'seal' to 'Seal' in the link with title "Great seal of the United States (reverse)". ] (]) 11:07, 14 January 2024 (UTC)

			:<del>{{ping\|Gygyepesi}} Which instance of "seal" in the article are you referring to? All occurrences of the word are currently linked, except for the {{tq\|Great seal of the United States (reverse)}}, for which a link is ]. ] (]) 13:50, 14 January 2024 (UTC)</del>
			:{{done}}<!-- Template:ESp --> Sorry, misread your request above. ] (]) 13:55, 14 January 2024 (UTC)

			== Namibia and Nauru are out of alphabetical order. ==
	To the user who removes the 2 coa:
	:is there a way to setlle this without bloodshed? Can we talk? Please? ] 08:58, 24 January 2006 (UTC)

			Edit request. ] (]) 17:53, 12 April 2024 (UTC)
	To Renata3
			:Taken care of. ] (]) 12:40, 26 April 2024 (UTC)
	Actually I have stated my arguments in your personal talking page several days ago.
	De-facto independent state is NOT a sovereign state. There IS a special separate list for the de-facto states' flags and emblems, which I had never touched.
	A part of my country should not be listed in the sovereign states' list between Spain and South Africa. It's the same as if Vilnius and it's region were shown in Misplaced Pages as part of Poland.
	This is an absolute nonsence and as a citizen of my country I'm obliged to prevent (if I can) spreading of this totally false information about my country among the great number of people, who visit Misplaced Pages.
	"Here I stand and I can do no other" (c) :)
	Neuzheli to chto ya govoru, tebia sovershenno ne trogaet i tebe ne poniatno??
	:Ok, but do you understand that this page is not political? If you want to remove those two entries, you should go and argue on talk page of ]. There is a definition of this page: everything included on that list is included here. Personally, I have no opinion wheather SO & A should be included or not, I let people on List of sovereign states decide. Summary, it is a WRONG place to make political comments. ] 18:10, 24 January 2006 (UTC)


	:I don't make any political comments actualy.
	I just claim, that in the list, which is named exactly "Coats of arms of sovereign states" there should be coats of arms of the sovereign states only. Othervise, it's factually incorrect. And I don't want information about my country on such a popular Web-resource, as Misplaced Pages is, to be factually incorrect and misleading.
	::Ok, political comments/claims/statements/discussions/batlles/etc do not belong HERE. This page is unpolitical. How come you are not removing those two entries from ]? I do not follow your logic. ] 21:47, 24 January 2006 (UTC)

	:::Again, I dont make any political comments/claims/statements/discussions/batlles/etc. As to the ],look carefully at the page. There are NO those two entries in the list which is under "The Sovereign States" name.

	::::That is because ] removed it (my wild guess - you) and there was nobody to revert. Now you cannot just decide and remove whatever you don't like. There is this thing called consensus. Start a vote on the talk page of the list and maybe you'll be lucky. Such undiscussed removals are called vandalism. And so far you have not been blocked, but you might be. Get a consensus to remove those two, and I will be reverting whoever wants to include them. ] 23:41, 24 January 2006 (UTC)

	:::::Well, first of all "undiscussed removals" are NOT called vandalism. Why don't you read your own Misplaced Pages definition of vandalism??? http://en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia:Vandalism

	Most likely, your actions could qualify under sneaky vandalism: Vandalism which is harder to spot. Adding misinformation, changing dates or making other sensible-appearing substitutions and typos. You have edited this page, the list, and the gallery of flags and have not notified anybody. Now, I am not looking for faults and etc. I am looking here for a solution. Your actions are objectonable. You are changing pages just because you don't like it and you ignore the compromises that were reached on talk pages. That is not good. ] 05:49, 25 January 2006 (UTC)

	:I am not adding misinformation, to the contrary, I am removing misinformation. It is not about what i like or what I dislike, it is about SIMPLE, OBVIOUS FACTS. By the way, that strange and probably politically motivated addition of the separatist regions to the list of sovereign states (!) was heavily disputed, and NO COMPROMISE was reached. Check the List of sovereign states discussion boards an you will see. Actually, as I saw, people who objected that extremely strange addition were not Georgians, but neutral persons from other countries. So there was no compromise about the matter, but nevertheless somebody (probably with admin's authority) decided that constituent parts of the states with internationally recognized borders should be equated with sovereign states, which is an absolute nonesense and breathes on Misplaced Pages's reputation. I repeat for the third time, that compromise about the matter was NOT reached, which you can see if you give a glance at those discussion boards. So it is not me, who breaks the rules, it is somebody, who makes decisions there. He has an authority though, that's the difference. From my side, I'm obliged to correct misleading information about my country.

	Sorry for delay. Well, your "simple, obvious facts" are not so simple. I am not getting involved in mataphysical discussion who supported what and for what reasons. The fact is that this article (and others) had a very clear definition of what is included. You came here, declared that all this is wrong and messed up the definition. Now if you want to re-define the article - be my guest. '''Start a new discussion, reach a consensus, and be happy.''' (what don't you understand about this?) You cannot come here and just remove two states (for ANY reasons) without any discussions. It is not how wiki works. You cannot just come and decide that it is all wrong. And by the way, "who makes decisions here" is the community. ] 05:33, 27 January 2006 (UTC)

	:Well, I have said all I could say about this matter here. Simple and obvious fact is that under the name "Sovereign States" there should be sovereign states. I can't imagine, what you don't understand about this.

	I perfectly understand. But you don't understand the way WP works. I am not judging if you are right or wrong, I am judging your actions that are against WP policies, traditions, etc. Reopen the discussions, reach consensus, and I will be reverting anybody who wants to include SO & A. ] 15:42, 27 January 2006 (UTC)

	:Well... I will be grateful if you wait at least untill the matter is finally decided on the List of Sovereign states page. In one way or another.

	Huh? What do you mean? I am not sure if I understood you here. ] 04:49, 28 January 2006 (UTC)

	:I mean your "reverts" of course.
	::I would appreciate it if you would wait as well, instead of continuously blanking information you don't like. I'll put a {{tl\|Disputeabout}} template on the article. I hope that is a good enough compromise for as long as the status of South Ossetia and Abkhazia are under discussion. ] ]]] 11:11, 31 January 2006 (UTC)

	Publication of false information is intolerabel.
	It is not about what I like. It is about simple facts. If you disagree, go to the ] discussion page and lay out your arguments. And please stop posting false information here.

	:Oh please, give me a break. The information is neither true nor false. The dispute concerns ''in how far'' the criteria for ]s apply to Abkhazia and South Ossetia. This is an interpretative difference, it's not as easy as right (2+2=4) or wrong (2+2=5). I won't go so far as to call your blankings vandalism, but I will call it disruption. And I would like to ask you to stop removing Abkhazia and South Ossetia from this list ''for the duration of this discussion'' and keep the article the way it was before the dispute started. ] ]]] 18:07, 31 January 2006 (UTC)


	There are things, which are not disputable. One of such things is that Sovereign State is sovereign. The idea of sovereignty automatically means that this state is not part of another state. If some territory is part of another state, it means that this territory is not a sovereign state.
	If you don't understand anything else on this matter, I will explain it once more. But I would ask you to stop adding false information on this page. Go to the ] talking page and list your arguments there. What you are doing here (deliberately adding false information) is a real vandalizm by Misplaced Pages standards. Please stop it.

	:I do wish you would refrain from accusing others of vandalism. Please don't let your emotions get in the way of this discussion. The problem is that sovereignty isn't as easy as you make it seem. As the ] article explains, many states have both ''de jure'' sovereignty (the legal control over a certain territory) and ''de facto'' sovereignty (the actual power to exercise that legal control). However, there are still a lot of states where either one is missing. One of the cases would be Georgia, Abkhazia and South Ossetia, where non-independent entities exercise power over a certain territory, to which they are perhaps legally not entitled, whereas the independent country that is legally entitled to the exercise of power over that territory is not able, for whatever reason, to do so. The best example would be Taiwan. Legally speaking, the territory falls under the authority of Beijing, but Beijing does not hold any physical power over the island; that rests with the authorities in Taipei, who in turn, technically speaking, do not have the legal power to do what they are doing, since they have not been recognized by the international community. ] ]]] 19:14, 31 January 2006 (UTC)

	Comparison with the Taiwan is totally incorect.
	The idea of sovereignty is that no power other than the sovereign state's power itslef is executed over a certain territory. If the territory is a constituent part of another state, it cannot be a sovereign state itself, becouse it cannot execute the sovereignty over the territory. It is constituent part of another state, which executes sovereignty itself.

	:That is but one view on sovereignty. And while it may be more or less true or realistic than other views on sovereignty, it is not up to wikipedia, or any other encyclopedia, to favour one view on sovereignty over the other. The ] is vital to any encyclopedia, and I can't say that you have been very neutral in this dispute. Fact of the matter is that the ''de facto'' authority of the governments in Sokhumi and Tskhinvali is consistent with at least some interpretations of the concept of sovereignty. Whether Abkhazia and South Ossetia are constituent parts of another country is irrelevant in this. Yours is only one view on sovereignty, and it's not up to wikipedia to choose that view, or any other view in particular. It is up to the community here to write this article in such a way that it is a reasonable, well-defined, well thought through interpretation of the physical dimensions of the existing notions on sovereignty. That will automatically include clear-cut cases and less clear-cut cases. ] ]]] 19:14, 31 January 2006 (UTC)

	So the problem is that you defend one view on the idea of sovereignty, which dates back to 1933, when there was no UN and no International Law in it's modern sense. It's 2006 today.
	:Have you got a more recent definition from an equally authoritative source? (After all, ]) ] ]]] 19:35, 31 January 2006 (UTC)

	Yes, get any book on International Law and read the definiton of sovereignty there. Everything will become clear at once.
	Now, after we have reached the consensus about the structure of the List of sovereign states page, the structure of this page should be changed correspondingly, so that people who read it don't get a false information, that Transnistria or South Osetia have the same official status as the United Kingdom or Australia. I hope, you agree with me at least on this matter (that this page should follow List of sovereign states page)?
	:''You'' want the definition changed, so ''you'' provide an alternative definition. The burden of proof is on you, not on me (I know that doing so can be a bit hard in the evening). Simply saying that the current definition doesn't fit is not enough. ] ]]] 20:22, 31 January 2006 (UTC)

	I don't have to prove anything, as this page automaticly follows the List of sovereign states page.
	Provide an alternative definition? Well can't you just look at the List of sovereign states page (which is a result of a compromise)??
	First there are listed Internationally Recognized States in an alphabetical order, below it there are listed Unrecognized or Partially Recognized States, also in alphabetical order. Thats it.

	:Yes, ''you'' have to provide an alternative to the current definition. ''You'' had a problem with it, noone else. ''You'' felt it was outdated, noone else. ''You'' thought we needed a more up-to-date definition, noone else. ''You'' wanted it changed, noone else. And if you want something done, I'm not gonna do it for you. ] ]]] 20:43, 31 January 2006 (UTC)

	You have started talking too emotionally.
	Now, I am finally tired of your lies. You have been writing everywhere today, that I am the only one who has such an opinion and nobody agrees with me. While anybody, who comes to the ] talk page can see, that you are not in majority really and other established editors agree with me, not with you. I tried to find another term instead of lie, but there is no other term for what you are doing.
	Now, if you don't want to carry out your function of a Misplaced Pages established editor, and if you want me or somebody else to edit this page so that it will correspond to the ], you should unprotect this page. Which you probably won't do:) To say the truth, your actions are somehow irrational.^)
	:I have asked you on your talk page to prove my alleged lies/untruths, and I have asked it on ]. I will now ask it again: where have I lied? Where have I said things that weren't true? Perhaps there are more people in here with your opinion, but they haven't spoken out. Of the people who have spoken out, noone has shared your view. I've said it before: John Kenney came with a proposal that ''you'' agreed with (not vice versa), while koavf's position was so broad that your narrow position almost accidentally happened to be covered by it as well. On the articles involved, no less than ''seven'' people (Randwicked, Nightstallion, Renata3, Shocktm, Chanheigeorge, P Ingerson and me) have reverted your removal of Abkhazia and South Ossetia. That should have been an indication of the massive disapproval of your actions. I won't say that these editors agree with me, because I don't know if they do, but it's clear that they oppose what you have been doing. ] ]]] 21:12, 31 January 2006 (UTC)

	Well it's difficult to argue with you, as you say "green" about things that are "blue". I repeat for the 10th time - everyone can see the ] talking page and judje for himself, whether you are speaking truth about "total support" to your opinion, or not. Actually only you and one more editor opposed me there. The others where saying what I was saying. If you don't understand what people say, I believe others understand it and (I'm saying it again!) everyone, who is interested can see the ] talking page.

	:You sure are a master at dodging difficult questions. I'll ask you for the fourth time: where have I lied? Where have I said things that weren't true? And I want direct, solid proof, provided by diffs and by "the truth" from which what I said differs according to you. "Everyone can see that..." is no answer or proof. As you can see on all involved pages, I have never claimed total support, or any other form of support for that matter. Talk pages are not the only indication to a person's position. Reverts are indications as well. Seven more than established edited reverted and undid your removal of Abkhazia and South Ossetia. That is opposition to your position as well. ] ]]] 21:34, 31 January 2006 (UTC)

	I will say it again.
	You have been liing for the whole day, when writing everywhere, that I was the only person who was saying something against the established consensus. Thats exactly what you where saying and yes, this is an obvious lie and you have repeated it dozen of times today.
	And YES, things which everyone can really see are considered to be properly proved usually!

	:Who supported you? You were and are alone in your position that Abkhazia and South Ossetia should be removed, while at least seven editors opposed that removal by reverting you. I wish you wouldn't accuse me of things I didn't do, and if you ''do'' accuse me, please prove it. Simply saying "anyone can see it" is no proof or argument, but a fallacy. If you are so certain of your case, you should have no problems proving it. ] ]]] 21:47, 31 January 2006 (UTC)

	My opinion and a page version absolutely corresponds to the opinion of John Kennedy and Justin (koavf) of the established editors and Irakly81.
	Your opinion was represented by you yourself and Nightstallion.
	I am tired of repeating this again and again.
	Things which anyone can see don't need any proof at all.
	Now, the consensus is reached, and you don't unprotect the page, just to tease me:)) It's your business to do some kidding if you want.
	I have to go. I will reply tomorrow (probably will have to repeat something for 15th time).
	:Changing your opinion after a new proposal and then saying you've always felt that way doesn't fly here. You felt that the two regions shouldn't be on the list, which is why you removed them. And like I have said time and again, at least seven established editors showed their disapproval by reverting you and by continuing to revert you. Noone shared your view. And if you're saying that I'm so bad, you should be lucky. Many other admins would have blocked you for disruption, trolling and violating ] a long time ago. ] ]]] 23:06, 31 January 2006 (UTC)

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	== Coat of arms of Lithuania ==

	The coat of arms of Lithuania given here is not used as a state emblem. This is the coat of arms of the president of Lithuania. See . The coat of arms established by law is that used in the article ]. See . <small>—The preceding ] comment was added by ] (]) 13:52, 17 February 2007 (UTC).</small><!-- HagermanBot Auto-Unsigned -->
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	== Canada ==

	Why is Canada missing?
	:Probably due to copyright issues. ] <small><sup>]</sup></small> 08:51, 6 June 2007 (UTC)
	* Restored. --] 17:46, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

	:No, not restored at all. The arms shown here are the old outdated ones without the circumscription reading DESIDERANTES MELIOREM PATRIAM. ] (]) 02:14, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

	==Royal Coat of Arms of England==

	The royal coat of arms of England are missing. I'd appreciate it if anyone added it. ] 18:16, 28 August 2007 (UTC)
	:Sorry, but England is not a Sovereign State, it is a constituent country of the UK. ]<sup>]]]<span class="plainlinks"></span></sup> 18:50, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

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	— ]_] 19:29, 29 December 2007 (UTC)

	== Propose deletion of this page ==

	Since there is a ] page, I propose we delete the "sovereign states" version and use the one with the more common usage, in order to be consistent with Misplaced Pages past practice.

	Misplaced Pages typically goes with common usages, and not academic (but non-scientific) ones. Do we go back and change all events from 1/1/2000 to 12/31/2000 and list them as "events of the 20th century"? No, we go with the common usage.

	Misplaced Pages consistency: Do we have a "]"? No. How about "]", or "]", or "]"? Of course not.

	But we do have ], ], ], and ], and all of those naturally include countries like Taiwan. Makes sense for the flag list to use the Misplaced Pages convention, too.

	Skalskal <small>—Preceding ] comment added by ] (] • ]) 14:41, 15 April 2008 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

	: This article has an editing history going back to 2004. If the article title needs changing, don't create a fork which destroys all the editing history. Argue convincingly that the title needs changing, and the article will get moved. ] is a fork of this article (currently identical except for the addition of one country) and should be deleted. ] 16:08, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

	:: History of page really has no bearing on validity. Several have vehemently argued that the countries listed in the page are consistent with the title, and they are correct. However, the title itself leads one to believe that it should not be listed in the various "list of country" listings, as it is NOT a list of countries, but merely a list of UN-recognized states. This type of listing is inconsistent with the rest of Misplaced Pages, but may still serve a useful purpose. For reference, see ] vs. ]. I do not propose moving or deleting this article per se, but having both. However, if one is to be deleted, it would clearly be the sovereign-state version (4-year history notwithstanding), as virtually every other list on wikipedia does NOT call out a separate page for "non-sovereign states", but lists them on the same page. <small>—Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 17:20, 15 April 2008 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

	::: The history of the page cannot be deleted without creating a copyright violation. As it stands, it appears someone created the entire ] on 8 April from scratch without credit to all the other editors who worked on this list since 2004. This list could be moved somewhere else, if you wish to make that argument. ] 17:25, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

	::: Keep this Coat of Arms. This is the best don't remove it. It is part of all of us and I like it because it shows the coat of arms of all sovereign and unrecognized states. So please keep it. ] 13:28, 15 April 2008

	::::Well, the preferable solution would be to rename this page to remove the restriction that it be based on "sovereign states" (note that it does NOT show unrecognized states, not even as an addendum, it merely refers to another page!!), or have it include partially-recognized and unrecognized de facto states, so that it matches the rest of the lists. Again, find me a split-out-into-two-articles ], and then you have a consistency argument. Until then, this is merely an island with different rules from the rest of the ocean, and it should be standardized. <small>—Preceding ] comment added by ] (] • ]) 17:36, 15 April 2008 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

	== KOSOVA ==

	Kosova is a recognized state by at least 35 nations and growing, so it clearly does belong in this article, partial recognition is only considered when a country is recognized by its mother land or relay close allies:(E.i. North Cyprus by Turkey), Kosova is not a partially recognized state, it is currently recognized by over 35 countries world wide and less than 10 countries have said they will not recognize it which means most of the other countries on earth have stated that they are in the process of recognition.
	The Kosova state is very similar to the Israel state both are recognized by some and not by other, for example non of the Muslim/Arab states recognize Israel but its still considered a sovereign state, Kosova is in the same situation and is considered a sovereign state even though countries like Serbia, Russia & Cyprus have said they will not recognize it.

	Thanx ] (]) 08:26, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

	: The issue is that, yes, Kosovo is a country. But the name of this entry is "sovereign state", which is a term under some dispute but which can be construed as sort of meaning recognized by everyone or almost everyone.

	: But, the bigger problem is that this article is being reference in the "lists by country" entry, which is clearly incorrect, every other list on that page includes Taiwan and Kosovo where data is available. This page should instead be in a "lists by sovereign state" list, or it should be renamed and include all countries. ] (]) 13:55, 16 April 2008 (UTC)


	== Propose a vote on renaming ==
	Propose a vote on whether this should be renamed to "Gallery of country coats of arms" and include flags such as those of Taiwan and Kosovo. Please give reasons for or against your vote to '''Rename''' or to '''Keep name'''.

	:'''Rename''': There are many many wikipedia articles listed by country, whereas there are only a few listed by "sovereign state". Since the intention here seems to be to prevent a duplication of effort, I propose we go with the far-more useful and common version. ] (]) 16:44, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

	== Definition of "sovereign state" ==

	Just a reminder, here is the exact quote of the definition of a ], per the referenced page, with my bolding:

	...................

	'''Criteria for inclusion'''

	'''This list derives its definition of a sovereign state from Article 1 of the Montevideo Convention of 1933.''' According to the Convention, a sovereign state should possess the following qualifications: (a) a permanent population, (b) a defined territory, (c) government, and (d) capacity to enter into relations with the other states. In respect of the last qualification, the role of recognition by other states can often be crucial since it implies acceptance into the international community. The list includes all states that satisfy these criteria and claim independence; however, the aforementioned qualifications are not absolute and permit variations.

	On the basis of the above criteria, this list '''includes the following 203 entities''':

	193 sovereign states with general international recognition:

	192 member states of the United Nations

	One state with general international recognition but not UN membership, governed by the Holy See (a UN permanent observer): Vatican City

	'''10 sovereign states''' lacking general international recognition:

	Four entities lacking general international recognition, none of which are UN members, that may be defined as states in the body of customary international law: the Republic of China (Taiwan), the Sahrawi Arab Democratic Republic, Kosovo, and the Palestinian territories.

	Six entities lacking general international recognition, none of which are UN members, that have declared independence and have limited or no international recognition: the Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus (only recognized by Turkey), Abkhazia, Nagorno-Karabakh, Transnistria, Somaliland, and South Ossetia.

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	If you would like this list to include only '''UN-recognized''' sovereign states, then we should change the title. Otherwise, be consistent with the title you're sticking to so adamantly!!! ] (]) 18:14, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

	: To those editing to a different standard: the title of this article is "Gallery of sovereign-state coats of arms", and it directly references the ], which includes '''203 entries, including Kosovo & Taiwan'''. While you may personally disagree with this classification, the article has been clearly named as including "sovereign states", and NOT named as "UN-recognized states". If you believe that a separate article is necessary, please feel free to start one. Here's a start for you: ]. Have at it, but do not edit out this list. ] (]) 17:03, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

	== Republic of Macedonia ==

	Some nationalist Greek has placed the coat of arms of the Republic of Macedonia under the "F" section. I'm sorry my dear, but even with all your struggles, Republic of Macedonia starts with "M" and its not "flag of the fyrom" but its "flag of Macedonia." This needs to be changed.Long live Macedonia and Macedonians and Macedonia's minorities:Albanians, Turks, Serbs, Vlachs.

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On this page, in the countries starting with an S. All countries coat of arms are there, except for South Africa's coat of arms. Also on the countries starting with a G. Grenada's coat of arms are missing. Please as soon as possible get these countries coat of arms in there, so none are missing. Thank You Bouffantgrub30 (talk) 13:13, 6 May 2015 (UTC)

Done Stickee (talk) 23:01, 6 May 2015 (UTC)

Venezuela

Venezuela is missing. Please add that in. Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 158.222.178.184 (talk) 08:07, 26 April 2016 (UTC)

It was automatically removed when the image was deleted, but hadn't been restored after the image's reupload. It's back now. SiBr₄ (talk) 08:42, 26 April 2016 (UTC)

Papua New Guinea

Papua New Guinea is missing. Please add that in. Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.225.129.25 (talk) 13:20, 3 March 2017 (UTC)

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The South African coat of arms is not there, can someone put it there please? Thank you Stephen390 (talk) 22:14, 12 January 2018 (UTC)

Done. Vanjagenije (talk) 23:34, 12 January 2018 (UTC)

Arms of Canada

I changed the image used for the Arms of Canada to show the current arms, which are surrounded by a circlet with the motto of the Order of Canada. The change was reverted to the previous arms without the circlet with a reference to WP:NFG. I understand why non-free images shouldn't necessarily be used, and I understand that the current arms are protected by Crown copyright. However, WP:NFG allows for exceptions on a case-by-case basis. If this gallery is of arms and emblems of sovereign states, shouldn't it show the current forms of those arms? Pinging Marchjuly as the editor who reverted my change. — Jkudlick ⚓ t ⚓ c ⚓ s 08:41, 3 July 2018 (UTC)

You added the file to the article without providing the seperate specific non-free use rationale required by WP:NFCC#10c, so the file was removed. If you truly feel that the non-free use of this file in this article is justified, please provide the necessary rationale per WP:NFCCE. The rationale should specifically address each of the ten non-free content use criteria listed in WP:NFCCP and how the file's non-free use in this satisfies (or at least how you feel it satsifies) these criterion. However, just providing a rationale does not automatically mean that the particular non-free use is policy compliant as explained in WP:JUSTONE. If still feels that this is not the case, they can (1) tag the file with {{di-disputed fair use rationale}} or (2) start a discussion at WP:FFD. Similarly, you can start a discussion at FFD explaining why you feel the non-free use is justified and try to establish a consensus in support.

The "exception" to NFG that you're referring to above is rarely ever granted. This is because pages such as this are basically one big image gallery per se which lack the specific sourced critical commentary generally considered necessary to provide the context for non-free use required by WP:NFCC#8. Articles such as this are also essentially a big list article of image entries and using non-free content to illustrate a single entry is almost never allowed per WP:NFLISTS. The only cases where I can remember seeing non-free images being used in a gallery markup are those where there is significant critical commentary of the image itself somewhere in the body of the article. Normally, the image would be located near that article content, but in some cases multiple images might be being critically discussed/compared and presenting the images together in simple gallery markup within the relevant section is done for mainly for formatting purposes.

As for your question regarding whether using the current version of a COA should be allowed to be used, the file has been previously removed before by Trackratte here and here and the edit sums left seem to imply the free-version is still being used and current to some degree in addition to the use of the non-free version being unacceptable. There also appears to have been a number of previous discussions related to the use of non-free files in this article back in 2014 though Misplaced Pages:Non-free content review/Archive 44#Gallery of country coats of arms might be the most relevant when it comes to the application of the WP:NFCCP to this type of image use.

Finally, there are alternatives to displaying non-free images that some similar articles use which might be something at least worth discussing. For example, Flags of cities of the United States uses placeholder files for non-free content with a link to either a stand-alone article about the image itself or the main article for the city where the flag can be seen. In this cases, Arms of Canada already exists, so using a placeholder image and linking to that article seems to be a viable alternative per item 6 of WP:NFC#UUI. In List of Canadian flags, piped links (without placeholders) to file pages are used in lieu of actually displaying non-free images, but that might not work in a gallery markup. Pipe links are often used in table markup since non-free image use is pretty much never allowed per WP:NFTABLES for the same reasons as given for galleries, so an alternative to actually displaying the image is used instead. Part of the the NFCCP is WP:NFCC#3 which asks us to endeavor to find alternatives to non-free use whenever possible in order to minimize non-free use as much as possible. This is why placeholders + links, or simply links themselves are often used in articles instead of actual files. -- Marchjuly (talk) 05:11, 4 July 2018 (UTC)

Thank you for the detailed response. I understand why the current arms cannot be displayed on this list, and I understand why it is highly unlikely that they could be displayed until the Crown copyright expires. — Jkudlick ⚓ t ⚓ c ⚓ s 06:41, 4 July 2018 (UTC)

It has been about 25 years since the arms were changed and this page still shows the previous one... There is a file for the new arms on Misplaced Pages already (see below), so why can't it be used?

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Separate section for unrecognized states?

In the gallery of sovereign state flags article the disputed states, such as Kosovo and Taiwan, are kept in a separate section at the bottom of the article, yet here they are mixed in with the rest of the states. Considering the fact that both of these galleries are part of the heraldry and vexillology project I feel like this is inconsistency and that either both pages should have an "other" section or neither of them should.Jelephant (talk) 15:13, 27 June 2019 (UTC)

Seals

@DiegoAma: According to the first sentence of the article, his gallery of sovereign state coats of arms shows the coat of arms, an emblem serving a similar purpose or both. You inserted the Seal of South Korea (), and the Great Seal of Canada (). Can you show us some sources that prove that those seals are being used for similar purposes to the national coat of arms? Vanjagenije (talk) 21:30, 30 July 2019 (UTC)

The first sentence also says " (such as greater and lesser coat of arms, national emblem or seal)". The article explicitly states that seals are within the scope of the article and should be included. I don't need to prove that seals serve a similar purpose to a coat of arms if the article is about coats of arms and seals. DiegoAma (talk) 00:22, 31 July 2019 (UTC)
- @DiegoAma: No, you are reading it the wrong way. The first sentence says that the gallery covers national emblems or seals, but only as long as they are serving a similar purpose as the coat of arms. That's why emblems and seals are in the parenthesis. Vanjagenije (talk) 00:35, 31 July 2019 (UTC)
  - I think that a national seal, by very definition, serves a similar purpose to a national coat of arms. They are both insignia used by the government to identify and represent the nation. For some countries, like the US and Japan, the terms seal and coat of arms represent the same insignia. In Brazil, the seal is actually used more than the coat of arms (and is seen on the national flag). As such, national seals are used for similar purposes to coats of arms: to serve as a visual representation of the nation to be used by the government. DiegoAma (talk) 00:53, 31 July 2019 (UTC)
    - Clearly beyond beyond scope. The seal added for Canada is not used to represent Canada and is not used in the same way as the coat of arms. As another editor clearly states the scope of the article and what is currently there clearly is for coats of arms. trackratte (talk) 21:34, 4 August 2019 (UTC)

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Can anyone replace the file of the coat of arms of Barbados with File:Coat of arms of Barbados (3).svg, which is used elsewhere? This is the only non-user page to use this other file. 200.173.180.181 (talk) 12:49, 4 November 2021 (UTC)

Done. Eh, no harm. ◢ Ganbaruby!  (talk) 05:29, 23 November 2021 (UTC)

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Official arms for Canada and South Africa

Official renditions of the current arms of Canada and South Africa cannot be used on this page, as Misplaced Pages's policy on non-free use of these copyrighted images is rarely granted even when a non-free use rationale is given. This has been noted previously on the talk page. Although old variations of the arms of Canada are now in the public domain, it is misleading to add them to a gallery of present national emblems rather than a page dedicated to historical coats of arms. Free media renditions are available that remain faithful to present heraldic descriptions of these arms, and this is the next best available alternative that does not resort to displaying defunct historical renditions. DanielMichaelPerry (talk) 22:42, 26 February 2022 (UTC)

The 1957 Arms are still in official use and were never superseded. They are still in official use in RCMP ranks, Canadian Forces ranks, and certain official letter heads.

Second, as an official logo, the precepts of blazonry have nothing to do with this discussion. We are not discussing what is heraldically correct. For example, there are numerous different ways you can depict the Canadian Flag while still being completely hin line with the tenets of heraldry, but that is completely irrelevant, as the Flag of Canada is not only a heraldic device but an official logo.

In cases where there is no other option using a user self made rendition it may be better than nothing. However, in this case we have an official logo that's allowable for use, and this specific rendition is a current official state emblem. trackratte (talk) 23:14, 28 February 2022 (UTC)

I have to disagree with the claim that the precepts of blazonry have nothing to do with this discussion, especially considering that this article is an Armorial of sovereign states. Were it merely a "Gallery of national emblems" this would be a valid argument.

Furthermore, this is not necessarily a list of emblems in official use by government agencies, but of emblems used to represent the state as a whole. These agencies may use the 1957 Arms as a symbol of their affiliation with the state, but this is not necessarily the same as the symbol used by the state itself.

While not every state in this list has an emblem that conforms to the rules of heraldry, and not every emblem listed has even been officially adopted by law, in cases where there is an official emblem that conforms to the rules of heraldry (Canada included), it seems that the best option would be to represent that emblem according to the same rules its current official rendition aims to abide by.

The 1957 Arms may be relevant in an article showing a logo used by a government agency, but I don't feel that it is the best option for representing the state in an Armorial of sovereign states.

DanielMichaelPerry (talk) 02:27, 1 March 2022 (UTC)

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Can anyone change File:Austria Bundesadler.svg to File:Coat of arms of Austria.svg, as the latter is the one who appears in the article Austria? 187.10.159.239 (talk) 18:22, 4 April 2022 (UTC)

Yeah I dont see why not

Done Happy Editing--IAm Chaos 06:00, 5 April 2022 (UTC)

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Taliban Afghanistan emblem is missing

You may see in the page about the emblem of Afghanistan which file is to be summoned in the gallery, instead of that blank placeholder. I would have done the edit myself, were the page not locked. 31.157.112.46 (talk) 16:01, 31 January 2023 (UTC)

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@DanielMichaelPerry @Sodacan Could you please replace the coat of arms of Liechtenstein with File:Staatswappen-Liechtensteins.svg? According to the currently used file, File:National_Coat_of_arms_of_Liechtenstein.svg, it contains multiple undisputed inaccuracies: 1st quarter, 2nd quarter, and 4th quarter do not follow the legally defined description. 98.213.225.105 (talk) 15:08, 31 March 2023 (UTC)

Done DanielMichaelPerry (talk) 17:31, 31 March 2023 (UTC)

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Change 'seal' to 'Seal' in the link with title "Great seal of the United States (reverse)". Gygyepesi (talk) 11:07, 14 January 2024 (UTC)

@Gygyepesi: Which instance of "seal" in the article are you referring to? All occurrences of the word are currently linked, except for the Great seal of the United States (reverse), for which a link is redundant. Liu1126 (talk) 13:50, 14 January 2024 (UTC)

Done Sorry, misread your request above. Liu1126 (talk) 13:55, 14 January 2024 (UTC)

Namibia and Nauru are out of alphabetical order.

Edit request. 108.160.120.64 (talk) 17:53, 12 April 2024 (UTC)

Taken care of. 108.160.120.64 (talk) 12:40, 26 April 2024 (UTC)

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