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| Where do you get off bugging me about an obscure phrase I used on somebody else's talk page in an attempt to calm them down over a month and a half ago. Get lost and find somebody else to harass. --] (]) 21:50, 24 October 2008 (UTC) | |||
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| :The problem with insulting or attacking other users on another Talk page is that any editor might come along (as I did) and notice it. If the victim of the attack could ''never'' become aware of it, e.g. because you put the attack in an email, you'd have a case for saying it was "obscure" enough to be harmless, perhaps, but that wasn't the case with - your every contribution on-wiki is a matter of permanent record. The warning was, in my opinion, quite justified according to policy. Note that accusing another editor of harassment without good cause may also be seen as a form of attack, but in the interests of resolving this, I'm going to let that one slide. <font color="006622">]</font><sup><small><b>]</b></small></sup> 00:59, 25 October 2008 (UTC) | |||
| ::Gee, thanks for "letting it slide" there officer. Get off your high horse and stop sticking your nose where it isn't wanted, and stop looking for trouble where there isn't any. You're a janitor, not a cop. Go clean something up. --] (]) 05:17, 25 October 2008 (UTC) | |||
| :::Personally I have always had problems with the janitor metaphor. What is the analogue of blocking an editor? Taking out the trash? That seems rather disrespectful. Ironically, you do have the right to remain silent, and anything you say will be recorded and may be used in evidence against you. | |||
| :::Did you know that the origin of the word "policeman" is the same as that of the word "polite", and of "policy"? The common idea linking all of these is that in any large social group, there is a generally accepted way to behave. I'm sorry that you didn't appreciate being told that your remark fell outside those boundaries, but I really cannot understand why you feel the need to keep arguing about it. Warning editors for conduct which is outside of policy, whether ], ], or whatever, is itself within policy. | |||
| :::As far as I'm concerned, this incident is over. How long you continue this discussion is up to you. <font color="006622">]</font><sup><small><b>]</b></small></sup> 17:15, 25 October 2008 (UTC) | |||
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== EddieSegoura Ban Appeal == | ||
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| Hi SheffieldSteel. I noticed your comment in reply to mine on the AN/I thread about Jakezing. I am happy to let the incident rest with regards to his talk page rules, which I have now read - they are compliant, as far as I am concerned, although I am still a little worried about the one which refers to the fact that if you threaten him, he reserves the right to remove the edits. How do we go on if he vandalizes something? Some of the uw-vandal templates could be construed as a threat, such as uw-vandal4 --> | |||
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| {{Misplaced Pages:Arbitration Committee Elections December 2015/MassMessage}} ] (]) 16:37, 23 November 2015 (UTC) | |||
| What I am still very concerned with is the edit which I linked in my post, to Chairhat's talk page, where he states that "threatning him is a fun way to wind up with broken bones and internal bleeding." A bit late for a warning I know, after 19 days, but I think we should still be a bit weary. Please reply here if you wish to, since I have your talk page on watch! Cheers and thanks, SheffieldSteel. ] (]) 17:15, 26 October 2008 (UTC) | |||
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| :Thanks for posting. You have raised a good point - many editors interpret warning messages as threats. However, that is a ''mis''interpretation, and I think that you, and I, and even Jakezing, understand the difference between "if you disrupt Misplaced Pages, you will be blocked" and "if you threaten me, you will end up with broken bones". But even if he does misinterpret a warning as a threat, he's entitled to remove it anyway, per ], so there's no harm in allowing that form of words. | |||
| :To defuse this situation on ANI, I had to write rules which walk the line between what policy allows, and what Jakezing wanted to say. I don't think a better set of rules can easily be suggested without causing further drama. As for the nasty threat... I'm inclined to let it go for now. This user's has enough admin attention for the time being, and I think they know it wasn't right. <font color="006622">]</font><sup><small><b>]</b></small></sup> 17:32, 26 October 2008 (UTC) | |||
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| We are the creators of the page ] and we are not editing but reverting back before the vandalizim took place as we were told to do so on the Wiki vandal page. We tried to post a call for help in the top pf article saying it was being vandalized but it was removed.--] (]) 15:10, 27 October 2008 (UTC) | |||
| == Thanks for Hyperkraz block == | |||
| Thanks for your prompt block of Hyperkraz based on vandalism to Obama page! Nice to get that little problem solved promptly. ] (]) 22:34, 28 October 2008 (UTC) | |||
| :No problem, or as they say in these parts, you're welcome. <font color="006622">]</font><sup><small><b>]</b></small></sup> 00:20, 29 October 2008 (UTC) | |||
| == Question == | |||
| do you really are slapped with a trout in an emergency? Or is it just figurative langangue?{{unsigned|Morefight}} | |||
| :Hello, have we met before? <font color="006622">]</font><sup><small><b>]</b></small></sup> 18:42, 30 October 2008 (UTC) | |||
| not really. <small><span class="autosigned">—Preceding ] comment added by ] (] • ]) 19:28, 3 November 2008 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> | |||
| Well, it's a figure of speech. Sometimes slapping someone in the face with a cold wet fish is the only way to get them to "wake up" to their silliness. More info at ]. <font color="006622">]</font><sup><small><b>]</b></small></sup> 19:35, 3 November 2008 (UTC) | |||
| == I am bs91rp why did your delete my comment on the 911 atacks on the discssion page == | |||
| I am new to wikipedia and I do not realy know how to say stuff which people will not delete. All what I said is some facts about 911 because wikipedia,s infomation about 911 is not true.] (]) 21:23, 30 October 2008 (UTC) | |||
| :Replying on new user's talk page. <font color="006622">]</font><sup><small><b>]</b></small></sup> 21:24, 30 October 2008 (UTC) | |||
| == Block of DyingxToxLivexAgain == | |||
| Fair enough on the block of this guy, i was expecting to do after his next edit anyway. Cheers--] (]) 00:26, 31 October 2008 (UTC) | |||
| :Thanks for the support. I hope it works out. <font color="006622">]</font><sup><small><b>]</b></small></sup> 00:31, 31 October 2008 (UTC) | |||
| == Earl Pomeroy == | |||
| Hello. Thank you for writing me and teaching me how to use wikipedia. What I don't understand is that I have cited from a newspaper a piece in the "controversy" section on Earl Pomeroy and it keeps getting removed. I didn't make this up. It was in the paper and I cited the article. Shouldn't they be spoken to if they are censoring things? <small><span class="autosigned">—Preceding ] comment added by ] (] • ]) 18:33, 31 October 2008 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> | |||
| :Replying on user's talk page. <font color="006622">]</font><sup><small><b>]</b></small></sup> 18:35, 31 October 2008 (UTC) | |||
| === Earl Pomeroy Reply === | |||
| OK, fair enough. I understand what you're saying. If you would like to rewrite the in forum I would have no problem with that. The article does say that Sand said something which was impossible for him to have said and the news source cited admits he can't recall Sand saying it. Pomeroy is quoted from an NY Times article as being for privitizing social security. | |||
| Thank you for your information. I do understand what you're saying now. <small><span class="autosigned">—Preceding ] comment added by ] (] • ]) 20:09, 31 October 2008 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> | |||
| == trouting.. == | |||
| Hiya. I love your trouting userbox.. I've made a slight variation (a topbar icon) that does something fun. Take a look {{tl|troutme}} <span style="font-family:Trebuchet MS; color:navy;">'''] ] ]''']'''</span> 02:03, 1 November 2008 (UTC) | |||
| == Reply on Floppy talk page == | |||
| Please go here: http://en.wikipedia.org/Talk:Floppy_disk#Kibibytes.2C_and_so_on | |||
| == We have consensus at ] == | |||
| You indicated on the article Talk page that when we have consensus, you'll make the edit and remove full protection of the article. Bali ultimate declared that he would always "mass revert" any and all edits by Marx0728 and myself. That's the only vote against Marx's proposed version. There are five votes in favor. That's consensus. You said it doesn't have to be unanimous. Please follow through on your promise, copy the version Marx has provided , paste it into article mainspace, and remove the full protection. Thank you. ] (]) 00:27, 3 November 2008 (UTC) | |||
| We do not have consensus on Acorn. I leave it up to you to take a gander at the talk page to see for yourself, the reasons for disagreement, and the number of people expressing disagreement (in my case i'm unhappy with a citation used to back up text that is not supported by the citation provided). To avoid fanning the flames any more with this fellow, I'll simply say that he is mischarecterizing my position and again, invited you to read through the talk page and the histories and make up your own mind. WB74 has prematurely declared "consensus" in the past.] (]) 00:56, 3 November 2008 (UTC) | |||
| == Editor harassment == | |||
| Look what ] did right after the discussion/debate was over: . ] (]) 21:58, 3 November 2008 (UTC) | |||
| :Oh. Leave this with me. Thanks for the info. <font color="006622">]</font><sup><small><b>]</b></small></sup> 22:00, 3 November 2008 (UTC) | |||
| :I would not call that harassment. However, to avoid further conflict, I will stop writing on ]'s talk page, as I hope she will stop writing on mine. --] (]) 22:02, 3 November 2008 (UTC) | |||
| ::It is harassment! No edit summary is needed when replying to someone on a talk page! Yes, stop writing on my talk page. I had already stopped writing on yours. If you wanted to avoid conflict, you would not have brought this second bogus crap to my talk page. You want me as an enemy here on Misplaced Pages? You are doing a brilliant job of cementing that. But if you dare start following me everywhere I go, believe me that I will not make it easy on you. ] (]) 22:09, 3 November 2008 (UTC) | |||
| :I think it's harassment. I've given Law Lord an appropriate warning. Please, both of you go and edit a ] or something, and leave each other alone. <font color="006622">]</font><sup><small><b>]</b></small></sup> 22:12, 3 November 2008 (UTC) | |||
| ::The warning is well-taken. Flyer22 wrote, ''"If you wanted to avoid conflict, you would not have brought this second bogus crap to my talk page. You want me as enemy here on Misplaced Pages? You are doing a brilliant job of cementing that. But if you dare start following me everywhere I go, believe me that I will not make it easy on you."'' I kind of see that as a threat? --] (]) 22:15, 3 November 2008 (UTC) | |||
| :::See it as a threat all you want. It is what it is. What could I possibly do to you if you start following me around and continue harassing me, other than report it? | |||
| :::I'd also like to apologize to SheffieldSteel for being included in this mess. But I had to go to someone, and you were the best candidate, given being familiar with the discussion/debate we just had. I also feel it unfortunate for you to have been subjected to that, but glad that you participated. ] (]) 22:19, 3 November 2008 (UTC) | |||
| *Law Lord, I do not think Flyer22's conduct so far merits any sanction, and your efforts in this regard are becoming increasingly counterproductive. I suggest you quit while you're ahead - just walk away from this. | |||
| *Flyer22, please remain civil, no matter how you feel about the editor you're talking to. I don't want to see anything from you that's provocative, baiting, or an attempt to "game the system" as far as Law Lord's conduct is concerned. Please go and edit productively somewhere, anywhere. There is a big and beautiful wiki world out there. | |||
| <font color="006622">]</font><sup><small><b>]</b></small></sup> 22:32, 3 November 2008 (UTC) | |||
| :LOL. Okay, SheffieldSteel. ] (]) 22:34, 3 November 2008 (UTC) | |||
| It looks like Law Lord the on this. <font color="006622">]</font><sup><small><b>]</b></small></sup> 16:11, 6 November 2008 (UTC) | |||
| :I guess the last words would be that 1) you wrote a harassment warning without due course on my talk page, and 2) Tried to ignite a fire against me, because I reported a personal attack to the administrators. Obviously, you are not able to grow through feedback. --] (]) 17:37, 6 November 2008 (UTC) | |||
| ::Inability to admit one's own mistakes can certainly be quite an impediment to learning and growing, as you may (or may not) be aware. My biggest mistake in handling this issue, I feel, was not being more specific and emphatic when warning you to avoid any action that could be seen as harassment of Flyer22. I should have clarified that posting unwanted messages on someone's talk page is not the only form of harassment, and that I was not forbidding you from doing so. In retrospect, this oversight on my part left the door open to your posting on ANI an issue which should have been dealt with, quietly and without drama, on the user's talk page. | |||
| ::Another error of mine was my response to your ANI thread. Given the chance to do that over again, I would have put more emphasis on the warning message, and the message of yours that justified it. I really regret not making clear why I felt you were acting in bad faith towards Flyer22. | |||
| ::Still, we live and learn, don't we...? <font color="006622">]</font><sup><small><b>]</b></small></sup> 18:35, 6 November 2008 (UTC) | |||
| :::I think it is interesting that Flyer22 is permitted to in a most unfair manner. One might in fact consider that a personal attack. There is no basis for several of the claims. As you will see, I have not really written anything similar about the thoughts of Flyer22. One could reasonably state that I am the one being harassed here. --] (]) 18:41, 6 November 2008 (UTC) | |||
| :::"]" --] (]) 18:44, 6 November 2008 (UTC) | |||
| :::"He is furious that he was dead wrong about a disgreement we just had, and has thus continued to harass me." seems a very interesting interpretation of the events. --] (]) 18:45, 6 November 2008 (UTC) | |||
| ::::Certainly Flyer22 has not always responded in the most productive way she could, but ''you'' are the one who is perpetuating this vendetta. Leave it alone. Nothing good is going to come of this, at all. | |||
| ::::If you continue to provoke Flyer22, and she continues to respond the way she has, the absolute worst that is going to happen to her is that someone will ask her to stop. ''Nobody'' is going to block her or do any kind of formal warning for the few semi-questionable comments she has made about you, given the persistence of your attacks and ] against her. | |||
| ::::On the other hand, if you continue to provoke, you may very well get blocked, regardless of how Flyer22 responds. This is not a warning, this is advice: Leave it alone. --] (]) 18:52, 6 November 2008 (UTC) | |||
| :::::Thank you very much for your comments ]. I am very happy that a third party as yourself would share their thoughts on this issue. I think what I am doing here is examining the facts of what has happened, so that my view may be understood by others. My view being that I have been personally attacked, and neither attacked nor harassed anybody. I do not see how this goal can be considered attacks or ] against Flyer22. | |||
| :::::I view it as feedback to SheffieldSteel. This, because I am not satisfied with the actions he(?) committed. --] (]) 19:00, 6 November 2008 (UTC) | |||
| :::::Also, please clarify what you mean by "persistence" of "attacks"? I have: | |||
| :::::#) asked her not to use "dummy edits" (polite message posted on her talk page) | |||
| :::::#) asked her to use the edit summary (also polite message posted on her talk page) | |||
| :::::#) Reported a personal attack to the ANI | |||
| :::::I do not think either of those qualify as anything but my attempts at improving Misplaced Pages. --] (]) 19:05, 6 November 2008 (UTC) | |||
| ::::If that statement had been made outside of the context of a conduct dispute, I would agree that it might be considered to be a personal attack. In this context, Flyer22 is attempting to provide a rational explanation for your actions, which entails a consideration of your motivation. This is perfectly understable coming from someone who feels that they are being harassed and is trying to get it stopped. | |||
| ::::Having answered a question of yours, perhaps you will answer one of mine. What do you want? Putting this another way, what outcome are you hoping for here? Do you want an apology from me, or from Flyer22? Do you want to see her warned, or blocked? Do you want to see me admonished, or warned, or stripped of admin status? I only ask because I really am not sure why you are continuing to pursue this matter. <font color="006622">]</font><sup><small><b>]</b></small></sup> 19:06, 6 November 2008 (UTC) | |||
| :::::I think few people would call it a "rational explanation". Certainly, it would be nice if Flyer22 apologized for her "rational explanation", which I consider quite insulting. However, I do not kid myself that something like that is going to happen. Nor do I see it happen that you would be "admonished, or warned, or stripped of admin status". | |||
| :::::However, it would be nice if you could entertain the view that my posting of a "use edit summary"-template to Flyer22's talk page is hardly worthy of being called harassment. Cheers --] (]) 19:12, 6 November 2008 (UTC) | |||
| :::::(I do not want anyone blocked. --] (]) 19:14, 6 November 2008 (UTC)) | |||
| ::::::Context, context, context. Generally speaking, it is not harassment to put a warning template on someone's page to remind them about using edit summaries. But the context in this case makes it pretty appalling. You had just been warned about ], and Flyer22 had made it very clear she did not like being templated. In addition, since the summary-less edit in question was a reply to you on your talk page, it hardly seems necessary to provide an edit summary. A comment on your talk page made in a section in which you have been carrying on a conversation with the person making the comment is, by definition, a reply. So if her edit summary had read "reply", it would have been redundant. | |||
| ::::::That's why SS referred to the template as "harassment". It appears to any neutral observer that it was an obvious attempt to push Flyer22's buttons. I hope this makes sense. --] (]) 19:24, 6 November 2008 (UTC) | |||
| ::::::P.S. The only reason I always use an edit summary is so that the magic widget that calculates people's percentage of edits made with and without edit summaries will produce a very large green bar when you enter my name. Edit summaries on articles are almost always incredibly useful. On talk pages... meh, sometimes they are useful, often not. --] (]) 19:27, 6 November 2008 (UTC) | |||
| :::::::Thank you very much for your continued help. I certainly agree with you that things should be seen in context. | |||
| :::::::*) I had not been warned about ]. I had been ''made aware'' of that essay. That essay expressed one opinion, and this was an opinion that I disagreed with. Therefore, I chose to ignore it. | |||
| :::::::*) The wording/tone of the was (IMHO) pretty ''aggressive'': | |||
| :::::::::"And don't use edit summaries for discussion? I've been told that before, but why the hell not?" | |||
| :::::::::"If you respond to me on my talk page about this, I will remove that warninig/discussion from my talk page after that discussion is done, as if it never happened, because I don't like getting warnings as though I am some newbie or vandal. I will remove it if you don't reply either, of course." | |||
| ::::::::Therefore, in order not to sound equally aggressive (in a message of my own wording), I choose to use a template again regarding the missing edit summary. I think that was quite reasonable. | |||
| :::::::*) I agree that it was probably not critical to use edit summary on my talk page. However, if the request was unreasonable to Flyer22, then she was free to ignore it. Instead she posted on my talk page: I think that was quite aggressive and insulting. | |||
| :::::::I certainly understand your view. I just do not think it is reasonable to call my actions harassment; also taking into consideration the tone of voice I was subjected to. Can you see my point of view? --] (]) 22:46, 6 November 2008 (UTC) | |||
| (un-dent) After a WQA discussion in which it was pointed out to him that issuing a templated warning to Flyer22 was likely to be provocative and inflammatory, Law Lord thought that a "quite reasonable" response to a trivial misdemeanor would be... to issue a templated warning to Flyer22. I think that it is a quite reasonable response to such a posting to issue a warning message about harassment. If it isn't exactly harassment, it is ] by baiting another editor, or whatever you prefer to call it. The only alternative interpretation I'd care to entertain, after this time, is that both of the templated warning messages posted to Flyer22's Talk page were in fact stupendous errors in judgment by Law Lord. There is, however, no sign that Law Lord is willing to accept such an interpretation. On that basis, I do not see much hope for further progress on this issue. <font color="006622">]</font><sup><small><b>]</b></small></sup> 23:25, 6 November 2008 (UTC) | |||
| :Behavior should not be dictated by something as subjective as whether a given editor finds something "provocative and inflammatory" but rather whether the policy and guidelines find it "provocative and inflammatory". Posting a second template with a legitimate aim on a user talk page can hardly be harassment under any set of circumstances. Therefore, your extremely harsh warning (template?) was ''uncalled for'' and '''barbaric'''. I agree there is no hope for further progress. --] (]) 00:01, 7 November 2008 (UTC) | |||
| == I'm innocent, I swear! == | |||
| Reply for ya on ] :) --] (]) 22:26, 3 November 2008 (UTC) | |||
| :BTW, regarding the barking at each other we did on ], I just want to say no hard feelings from this side. When I referred to "lazy ass administrators", I was sortof saying it tongue in cheek -- I know full well that it's not laziness that makes admins slow to block, and admittedly if I were an admin I probably would not have unilaterally blocked RonCram at that point. (Though I ''would'' try to get consensus among a group of admins to do so) | |||
| :I also recognize the comments you were responding to were pretty close to the edge, and probably unlikely to do any good. I was frustrated, and decided to just vent. In my defense, I don't think I really did any damage -- I stand by the assertion that RonCram is extraordinarily unlikely to make any productive edits prior to Wednesday, and even though me calling him out is not going to change his mind, I don't think it's possible that it made him any more likely to continue his agitations. | |||
| :But I admit if I were a totally neutral bystander, I probably would have told Jaysweet to please calm down and try to mind WP:CIV. --] (]) 22:36, 3 November 2008 (UTC) | |||
| ::Well, from a personal perspective, I would have been happy to ban or block RonCram, but I just didn't feel their conduct was quite bad enough, and at this time, I'm very careful about not doing anything to appear biased. Thanks for saying this. I do appreciate it. <font color="006622">]</font><sup><small><b>]</b></small></sup> 22:39, 3 November 2008 (UTC) | |||
| == Thunderbird2's disruptive editing == | |||
| I've started compiling a ] and because I'm really busy with work at the moment I'm looking for some help with diffs to support the claims. I'll be adding some over the coming days. ''']]''' 05:39, 4 November 2008 (UTC) | |||
| == MOSNUM == | |||
| re ''Frankly, I'm surprised you'd post a link to that MOSNUM debate here. You really don't come out of it looking good.'' I don't understand this remark. What did you mean? ] (]) 18:04, 5 November 2008 (UTC) | |||
| :Well, it seems clear to me that consensus was to go with the version of the guideline that was most consistent with our policies on ] and ]. The link to ] were already posted, so... if you can't see it, I don't think I can point it out to you. <font color="006622">]</font><sup><small><b>]</b></small></sup> 18:33, 5 November 2008 (UTC) | |||
| :: Your arguments about V and OR are valid ones, but I don't see where the consensus is documented. And I don't see the relevance of dead horse when there has never been a (civilised) debate in the first place. Or are you arguing that ] to gain support is legitimate? ] (]) 18:44, 5 November 2008 (UTC) | |||
| :::I'm not arguing anything. <font color="006622">]</font><sup><small><b>]</b></small></sup> 18:47, 5 November 2008 (UTC) | |||
| :::: I had the impression that you were arguing that there is consensus for the present wording. Was I mistaken? ] (]) 07:45, 6 November 2008 (UTC) | |||
| :::::Thunderbird2 you know precisely where the consensus is demonstrated, stop asking questions that you know the answer to because it wastes the time of other editors. Also stop misrepresenting Greg by trying to use ad hominem instead of tackling the substance of arguments presented by him. The fact is you refused to give valid answers to questions directed to you and that is why your point of view was demonstrated to be weak and was refuted by the many other stronger arguments made in the talk archive where the consensus is demonstrated. ''']]''' 09:16, 6 November 2008 (UTC) | |||
| ::::::Guys, you all know where to discuss this. Take it to ] please. <font color="006622">]</font><sup><small><b>]</b></small></sup> 23:28, 6 November 2008 (UTC) | |||
| == User:Universalsuffrage == | |||
| Dear SheffieldSteel, | |||
| I think ] is causing disruption at ]. He is needlessly starting discussions which isn't helping our 9/11 article. If he continues to disrupt, you should take some action against him. | |||
| Have a nice day. ] (]) 09:55, 6 November 2008 (UTC) | |||
| :Thanks for the message. I will be keeping an eye out. <font color="006622">]</font><sup><small><b>]</b></small></sup> 15:31, 6 November 2008 (UTC) | |||
| == RE: Personal attacks == | |||
| "Please stop. If you continue to make personal attacks on other people, you will be blocked for disruption. Comment on content, not on other contributors or people. Thank you." -> Which edit are you talking about? Justify yourself.] (]) 00:26, 7 November 2008 (UTC) | |||
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