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I am now proud owner of a ] account!
* ] see if sources can be found for notability... (I doubt it, also.)
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* ]; the movie illustrates/demonstrates what would best be called "coincidence theory", rather than ] or the ]; that things and people once related to each other will interact again, perhaps in another incarnation. It's a little different than the ], but perhaps not significantly so.


== moloch == == Something ==


Hello there, dear sir. I would like to inform you that there is no need to have removed my edit to the year ]. The edit that I made to this page is a relevant edit. If you were to have read the page, you would have known that the actress who I edited onto the page was born in 1993, so technically it is relevant information. If you see this, please take note.
My Edit
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P.S. My account is both more than 4 days old and I have made more than 10 edits, so there is no real need to do this. <!-- Template:Unsigned --><small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding ] comment added by ] (] • ]) 23:11, November 25, 2019 (UTC)</small>
Also in 2000, Jones and assistant Mike Hanson infiltrated the ] and filmed the opening weekend ceremony, known as the ], a mock human sacrifice in front of a 40' stone owl, which has been identified as ].


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Also in 2000, Jones and assistant Mike Hanson infiltrated the ] and filmed the opening weekend ceremony, known as the ], a mock human sacrifice in front of a 40' stone owl, which he believes has ] origins.


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I think you might of acted in haste Authur. The difference is that my version increases the information without increasing the word count significantly. As to moloch being capitalised, that is probably correct and is the only part of the revision that infers a minor degree of disrespect, and can of course be changed as a minor edit.
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As to your comment "we need a cite", is that not a mistake ? Are there not common sense limits on citiation, so that I would not have to prove by citation that a statue of the virign mary or mars the god of war ?
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I see form your biography page that you have a jewish heritage, I dare to comment further as might say something rude. So I will await your reply in good faith.
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:I think we need to specify '''who''' has identified (the owl) with ] (or actually, looking at our article, perhaps a lower-case definition was intended). For what it's worth, from my comparative mythology course, I don't recall ] being an owl, nor is there any indication of it in our article.
* Technical volunteers can now register for the ], which will take place in Istanbul, Turkey. is open from November 12 to December 10, 2024.
:And, under the circumstances, yes, a cite is needed. I remember (from the ]) that Moloch is a bull.
:It should be pointed out that, as a Jew, I am not allowed to <u>worship</u> other gods (the commandment is usually translated as "Thou shalt have no other gods before Me"), but I'm allowed to speculate as to their existence and modes of worship. — ] ] 20:11, 8 October 2008 (UTC)


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::Well to be brutaly frank, these occult types think nothing of mixing fact with fiction. The biblical accounts focus quiet correctly on the evil acts. They saw people who practiced different primative religions as having similarities and would interchange labels.
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::The act itself, defines behond despute exactly what the bulk of the practioners belive they are worshipping. However, why is it a statue of an Owl, and not that of a man with a bull's head you might ask. Well they base there 'esoteric reasoning' on modern occultisim (steal, lie and plaugerise). They identifiy the Owl as Lillith, by King James Bible 'translation' from the night demon of jewish folk tales. Of course, what you have here is an example of that age old phrase "at each level it is a different lie". Should you bother to follow the trail you will actualy find Maths, Astronomy and Time. But, that would be to place poison in a brain better employed doing real math.


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::My suggestion is that it is phrased in a neutral tone. It is not really Jones that identifies the owl as moloch, but the occultists. From a personal perspective your ancestors had the right idea, which just goes to show that genocide is not always a bad thing and the exception proves the rule. I would not want to place links or give any oxygen of publicity to Thelmic thinking or encourage anyone to read any grimoires like Waite's which could be used for citations. I'd suggest that if a reader really wants to know, they can start at the wikipedia entry for Moloch and find there own version of the truth.


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== Please do not revert contributions with properly referenced reliable sources as you did on Inflation. ==
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Please do not revert contributions with properly referenced reliable sources as you did on Inflation.] (]) 23:53, 14 October 2008 (UTC)
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:Nonsense. You entered the same material 6 times. Pick '''one''' location and add it. — ] ] 23:55, 14 October 2008 (UTC)
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I am sorry. I think there is a slight misunderstanding here.

1. I put the main contribution back but in the wrong spot.

2. I simply changed the word reduce to erode. I change one word to what was agreed before. One word. I did not put the whole contribution a second time.

3. I think I put another part of the contribution back, but did not note that the closing ref code was not there.

4. Then I noted that the main contribution was in the wrong spot and I moved the main contribution to the right spot.

5. You seem to be right on this one. I seem to have double clicked and the same change went thru again. So it seems to me. Sorry.

6. One the one I added </ref> that was missing from a reference.

7. I put the Cost of living section back.

I am sorry, but these were honest attempts to put contributions that were previously agreed and accepted that I contributed and then took off in a fit when the editor Lawrencekhoo accused me of having some real life interest/gain from these posts.

How do you suggest I put them back. There are actually five different paragraphs in three sections.

What do you suggest?] (]) 00:25, 15 October 2008 (UTC)

There are actually three locations:

On the first one after The Austrian school there are two paragraphs: about inflation and constant payments and another about inflation and historical cost non-monetary items.

Then at the bottom of the advantages from inflation sections there was a statement about inflation eroding the value of the government debt.

Then at the bottom of that section there was a sub-section about Cost of Living Allowances.

What do you suggest I do?] (]) 00:30, 15 October 2008 (UTC)

Ok, I see you actually said: add at most once. Ok, I will do that. Thank you.] (]) 00:35, 15 October 2008 (UTC)

== Sir, I added it once, deleted a wrong reference and added one full stop??. ==

Sir, I respectfully added the contribution once, as you requested.

Then I deleted a wrong reference that was inadvertently included in the first once-off addition.

Then I noticed that a full stop was missing at the end of the statement. I added one full stop.

I did not add the full contribution three times.

] (]) 17:21, 15 October 2008 (UTC)

:You added it twice. Again. I removed both, for consideration. "Eroded" should only be used once, IMHO. — ] ] 17:41, 15 October 2008 (UTC)

== Nonsense? ==

Reconsider what you said. You can list expected future events, including "digital television transition in the United States". -- ] ] 20:49, 15 October 2008 (UTC)
:Only in year articles (]), not date articles (]), per the respective project guidelines. There's no reason to have ] (or ]) at all, as it's not ''that'' significant an event. — ] ] 20:51, 15 October 2008 (UTC)
::OK, I can see what you mean, I actually agree with the delete now. -- ] ] 21:00, 15 October 2008 (UTC)
::Yes, I know it's already deleted. -- ] ] 21:00, 15 October 2008 (UTC)

== ] ==

Hi, I just removed the links to Adam M.Gadomski and to Socio-cognitive systems for the second time in the ] article. I though you would like to know this, as stated on your talk page. Maybe you can take a look. -- ] (]) 14:37, 16 October 2008 (UTC)

== IEC prefixes ==

I agree with you that the votes are not important in themselves – only the arguments behind them. My point is that there if there is no (calm and reasoned) discussion there can be no consensus. If you look through the archives you will see that Greg_L’s tactics of ridicule - supported by Fnagaton and tolerated by Headbomb - have prevented such a discussion time and time again. For example, you may wish to take a look at events the ]. My arguments were supported by approximately 5 editors and opposed by a similar number, but it was impossible to have a discussion about it because of Greg_L’s ridicule tactics towards those editors who disagree with him:
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while an editor who agrees with him is cheered on:
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The net result is to discourage meaningful discussion, giving a false impression of consensus. That is why I requested mediation, which Greg_L refused, presumably because it would cramp his style. The purpose of my note was simply to point out that without debate there can be no consensus.

By the way, in his response he and Fnagaton misrepresent my words time and time and again. For example, look at the way he takes your words and attributes them to me. He also selectively quotes the 7-3 vote for the present wording while conveniently omitting to mention that all three oppose votes were objecting to one very specific piece of text, but no attempt was made to take
these objections into account. Whether he does so deliberately only he can tell, but I have no intention of engaging in debate with him without a mediator present, and I can assure you I am not alone in this view. And this is precisely the problem that is created by his tactics. They lead to the kind of consensus that a sergeant major achieves on a military parade ground, suppressing debate instead of encouraging it.
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:Thunderbird2 stop misrepresenting the situation because as the talk archives prove you are not writing any accurate claims. The only poster who is misreprenting the facts is you. The only poster who is not making reasoned discussion is you because you keep on misrepresenting all of the other editors who have refuted your arguments. The link you gave where you claim five other posters support you does not show what you claim because actually the result on you posting your statements is that your statements are weaker than the already stronger arguments in the talk archive and also that what you posted was a copy paste of already refuted weak arguments. Basically what you posted was nothing new and certainly was not substantive, the talk archive demonstrates that. There can only be calm and reasoned discussion when you stop trying to misrepresent other editors, your talk pages are proof enough that you are misrepresenting other editors because you keep on trying to re-write history to suit your own ideas. For example you misrepresent a 3RR report against you for edit warring for which you were blocked and had the multiple unblock requests declined as "''bullying''" when actually you are at fault, the case even went for review and every admin found no problem with the block and the denial on your unblock. Also, reasoned discussion can only take place when you actually start making valid arguments because so far you have not done so. Every attempt was made by Headbomb to take into account '''valid objections''' to the vote you cite and as the talk archive shows you repreatedly refused to answer questions with any kind of valid reply. Since you and others failed to provide any kind of valid substantive argument then the no votes had little to no bearing on the consensus. This is because weak refuted statements, like yours, do not have to be included in consensus, no matter how many times you try to vote no your statements are still weak. Weak refuted points of view are not included in consensus for guidelines because guidelines need to be strong and not weakened by weak points of view. Mediation was refused because there is no need since your actions Thunderbird2 are at fault here. Thunderbird2 what you are doing is trying to use ad hominem, attacking other editors by misrepresenting them, instead of tackling the real arguments. So Thunderbird2, once again, stop right now trying to misrepresent other editors and try to start posting valid arguments. Your repeated attempts to misrepresent other editors is demonstrative of disruptive editing which is opposite to the aims of Misplaced Pages editing. Consider it a challenge Thunderbird2 that you stop writing about how you think other editors "are bad people" and instead you start only posting valid substantive arguments. ''']]''' 15:05, 17 October 2008 (UTC)

== Graph isomorphism ==

What's the reason for your at ], adding the non-RS tags, or was it a mistake? I don't think anybody has a problem with the paper by Zemlyachenko ''et al''. -- ] (]) 22:07, 16 October 2008 (UTC)
:Sorry, I think that was the wrong paper. I thought one of Tim32's had found its way back into the article. I'll revert, if you haven't already done so. — ] ] 22:09, 16 October 2008 (UTC)

== Date page cleanup ==

Before I put in a bot request to unlink the years (death year under births section, etc.) in the date articles, would you review the conversation so that isn't just me saying that it should be done. If you disagree, I'm fine with that, I just think it's the right way to go if no one objects. -- <font color="#000080">Mufka</font> ] ] ]</sup> 17:50, 17 October 2008 (UTC)

== ] ==

I don't think you've been notified, so I thought I'd let you know that there is a thread about you, and whether some of your recent edits to ] are racist, over Misplaced Pages:Wikiquette alerts. I think it's a storm in a teacup and doesn't need any more input, but I also thought you should be made aware. All the best, ] <small>]</small> 19:31, 17 October 2008 (UTC)
:I probably shouldn't have said it, but it is true that Russian (and Soviet) journals seem not to have developed the tradition of intellectual honesty that (most) western European journals have. — ] ] 19:51, 17 October 2008 (UTC)

== ] ==

Having got the protection level temporarily reduced, I've made my proposed changes to the template. Since it now handles all years (including BC), I've also edited {{tl|Year nav BC}} and {{tl|Year nav 1st century CE}} to use {{tl|Year nav}} (so all year articles, once updated in the cache, are now effectively using Year nav). Let me know if you see anything amiss, so we can repair it before the admins fully proetct the template again.--] (]) 10:27, 18 October 2008 (UTC)
:You'd have to explain to me how the dr templates work (and I hope you have ''them'' protected). You gave me a little scare when in the year nav doc file, as the display didn't match the ''claimed'' usage, but it had <nowiki><nowiki>{{year nav|100}}</nowiki></nowiki> and <nowiki>{{year nav|101}}</nowiki>.... I don't see a problem with {{tl|year nav}} if {{tl|dr}} works as specified, although I'm not sure how "13" gets into it. — ] ] 13:58, 18 October 2008 (UTC)
::Yes, we'll have to get dr and all the other subtemplates protected I suppose (or at least semi-protected, so we can still work on them - or are you an admin?) The "13" is a somewhat arbitrary parameter I added, based on the observation that single digit numbers look odd as years unless they have "AD" added, particularly if mixed with BC years. So in 12 AD and below (where single digits start appearing in the box), the years have the parameter "ysa" instead of "ys", which causes the addition of the AD (unless there's a BC already present, obviously).--] (]) 15:08, 18 October 2008 (UTC)
:::Please discuss the templates, including appropriate names, at ], as ], ], and ] were never created. (As an aside, has ] been updated for the decade names BC?)
:::Yes, I am an admin, (at least for the moment; there have been RfAr's proposed against me). — ] ] 17:43, 18 October 2008 (UTC)
::::OK, have updated List of decades. I'll ask for the templates to be protected again, since as an admin you'll be able to edit them as necessary. In fact I'm thinking of applying for adminship myself, purely because I often find myself trying to maintain templates which get protected, but I'm not sure if that will be accepted as valid motivation.--] (]) 07:55, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

== Dewey Nicks ==

This article is categorically not a valid ] candidate and it is not seemly that you would backbite against the removal in a prod, especially when as an admin, you are really expected to understand and enforce at least the clearest mandates of the deletion policy. I actually misspoke when I removed the prod. Prod is for non-controversial deletion, and the deletion of this article on the basis of notability would not be that. CSD A7 requires only an assertion of importance. A person whose article claims he has been published in '']'', '']'', '']'', '']'', and '']'', directed commercials for major companies like ] and ] among others, and was the director of '']'' (a real commercial film released into major theatres and reviewed by Newsweek, the Village Voice, Ebert and Roeper, etc.) is so far from meeting A7 that there's really little to say other than that the assertion is obvious and axiomatic. I suspect that if taken to AfD this article would survive, solely on the basis of what's in the article ''now'', much less what would be revealed after further research, which further shows how far afield from a valid A7 subject it is. That is not to say that the article would survive. Maybe, despite his directing chops, he has not received much coverage in reliable sources. But that is a valid subject of inquiry on the merits. Not for speedy deletion.--] (]) 15:31, 18 October 2008 (UTC)

:Sorry, Arthur, but I agree with Fuhghettaboutit. The article most definitely does not satisfy CSD A7. -- ] (]) 15:52, 18 October 2008 (UTC)

== Joe ==

I don't think I have reinserted the comments - I took out info about debt (and before this weekend also on income ). I have no objection to the removal of his comments about Boston Tea Parties. I would also support removal of any comments he might have about the ] - or as I better know the expression on the price of fish ;-) --] <sup>]</sup> 23:14, 19 October 2008 (UTC)
:Nothing personal. The article had been edited so fast that 3 people should have been blocked for 3RR already, although only one was. Do I need to apologize further? — ] ] 23:16, 19 October 2008 (UTC)
::No - just wanted to clarify and I think we don't disagree entirely (double negative intended) Regards --] <sup>]</sup> 23:19, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

== Puzzled on ] ==

Hello. Your edit on the ] article has me puzzled. The edit summary states "remove per ]; the tax lien is clearly relevant to his views on taxes" but you actually the "clearly relevant" section in question. Perhaps you meant to say ''irrelevant''? Thanks, ] (]) 23:17, 19 October 2008 (UTC)
:I deleted his views on taxes, due to the claim made that the lien is a BLP violation. My assertion is that, if his statement on taxes appears, so should the lien, but I'm more neutral on whether the statement should appear at all. (I think I said that on the talk page, also.) — ] ] 23:19, 19 October 2008 (UTC)
::FYI: ] ] (]) 05:27, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

== Division algebra reversion ==

Hi Arthur,

You just reverted an edit I did to improve the style and the content of the page cited in the headline. The linguistic style of the original was truly terrible, so those changes should not be an issue.

I realized I made a mistake of content of my own in my error correction, and was in the process of correcting it when I encountered an edit conflict with your reversion. I have now effectively reverted your reversion and corrected the mistake I made, as well as included a reference citing Wolfram's math world definition of a division algebra.

I once knew, long ago, an Arthur Rubin with exceptional math abilities. I see from your talk page you are probably not the same man. The Arthur I knew would see in a flash both the original page I edited was incorrect, as well as the incorrect aspect of my initial correction, but I see no evidence of extraordinary mathematical aptitude in your talk page.

It is my belief the introduction is now correct, although the remainder of the page is in dire need of style improvements. It is my hope you will leave the improvement, for that is the intent of the wikipedia, isn't it? i.e. gradual improvement through collective consensus.

In matters of math, there is such a thing as unambiguous right and wrong. Many of the wikipedia math articles are in great need of improvement. I never trust them when I need to learn something I don't know because so many of the ones I do know are confusing or wrong. When I do see something I know is wrong, I correct it, in the hope that eventually, all wikipedia math articles may be trusted.

Best regards, always and forever, I will remain anonymous <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 21:52, 22 October 2008 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

:I could see that your "correction" had several errors in it. It's possible you fixed them, but I'll revert it again if it's wrong. — ] ] 22:06, 22 October 2008 (UTC)

== Change weasel to weasel-inline ==

Thanks--I couldn't find that in WP:weasel, and I knew a function like that existed. I appreciate your sharp eye. ] (]) 01:36, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

== Your comment ==

Hi,
Thanks for your comment at ]. You may recall that the page ] contains a blunt statement of the epsilon-delta definition in all its naked beauty so that those who with to compare it with the non-standard definition can easily do so. The page ] is actually well-visited. There were close to 100 hits yesterday and comparable though lower numbers for the past month or so. The discussion at the talk page of ] seems to converge to a merge, which I think would amount to a bit of an obfuscation. The page ] starts with a lengthy discussion of approximation theory which is the traditional way of buffering the intrinsic and irreducible difficulty of the Weierstrass approach. Moreover, ] tends to present the standard approach as the only possible one. Now certainly a majority of practicing mathematicians today to adopt this view. However, a significant minority do not. I think wiki guidelines are consistent with presenting a view of a significant minority, which are above POV pushing. Your input at the talk page of ] would be appreciated. ] (]) 08:47, 24 October 2008 (UTC)

== FYI ==

*] ] (]) 15:26, 24 October 2008 (UTC)

== Undo ==

Why did you <span class="plainlinks"></span>? -- ] ] 22:38, 24 October 2008 (UTC)
:I was going to say: "If it's uncommon, it shouldn't be placed that prominently", but I clicked an arrow which submitted the change, for some reason. — ] ] 22:40, 24 October 2008 (UTC)
::I was concerned that people will be wondering what happened. I checked the article page view statistics, and "Storm train" still has more page visits than "Training (Meteorology)". So that means that most users are still looking it up as "Storm train", probably because it is less to type than "Training (meteorology)" or "Thunderstorm training". So for the people who may think that they cannot find what they are looking for, and why it is no longer called "storm train", by adding that sentence, it will inform people that it is uncommon, but sometimes referred to by that name. -- ] ] 22:44, 24 October 2008 (UTC), modified 22:46, 24 October 2008 (UTC)
::Will you reply? Should I place the sentence somewhere else? It <u>is</u> a fact. -- ] ] 22:52, 24 October 2008 (UTC), minor modification: 22:53, 24 October 2008 (UTC)
:::"Storm train" may have more visits because it sounds interesting, not because people are looking for the term. And is not a reliable source. — ] ] 23:15, 24 October 2008 (UTC)

== Misplaced Pages's Expert Peer Review process (or lack of such) for Science related articles ==

Hi - I posted the section with the same name on my talk page.
Could you take part in discussion ?
Thanks
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== Sorry for all of the edit conflicts ==

Eventually technology will make edit conflicts an annoyance of the past. Sorry about that. ] (]) 23:55, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

== BLP privacy policy for ]s ==

I think that the current deadlock on Joe the plumber is due to unclear BLP policy on limited public figures. I've made a proposal to clarify the policy ]. Since you are one of the parties involved in the dispute, this is a notification for your input on the proposed policy clarification. ] ] 10:56, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

== Ralph Nader Edit ==

Is there a reason you reverted the edits to the Ralph Nader page? The three sentences were relevant to his 2008 campaign for President and cited reliable references. The focus of his campaign and the fact that he has potentially broken a Guiness World record for campaigning in the process are two noteworthy pieces of information for a third party presidential candidate. Just wondering. ] (]) 15:21, 27 October 2008 (UTC)
:I don't see the ''alleged'' "Guiness World" record for campaigning as notable. The focus of his campaign (if he, in reality, has one) probably is. He certainly has the US record for campaigning for a Presidential candidate who does not have a '''mathematical''' chance of winning, not being on enough ballots. — ] ] 15:40, 27 October 2008 (UTC)
::I summarized the info that you deleted previously (as you requested on the ]) yet you still reverted it. Without this information it appears that Nader did not even announce his candidacy. ] (]) 15:54, 29 October 2008 (UTC)
:::It wasn't summarized; you included '''all''' of a previous version, including the unsourced "focused". — ] ] 17:46, 29 October 2008 (UTC)
::::Why not make an effort to summarize the info yourself, since in its current form it appears that Nader is not even running for president? I'm not trying to start a fight here, it just seems a little excessive to delete a whole section because the last sentence is improperly sourced. ] (]) 19:16, 29 October 2008 (UTC)
:::::If I were to summarize it, I would have left one sentence, instead of the 4 paragraphs. — ] ] 20:33, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

== Hemanshu ==

Centralizing the discussion at ]. ''']''' <sup>]</sup> 12:53, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

== What is your problem ==

Dear Arthur,

It looks like you are not an expert in Electron structure of the Atoms.
You are deleting the links that have been viewed by thousands of people, including experts since last spring and early summer.

The web site in question was viewed and approved by Nobel Prize winner Dr. Roald Hoffmann. What is your problem?

All information presented there is correct and works. If you do not understand it I can explain, but stop removing the links, please.
] (]) 21:49, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

:If Dr. Hoffmann had designed the web site, and it ''said'' that on the site, that would take it out of ]#11. Otherwise, '''you''' (the web site content author) would need to be a ''recognized'' expert in the field. I don't see that as accurate. — ] ] 21:52, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

It looks like you want to "throw the book" at this issue. However, you failed to pinpoint exactly what is incorrect about it. Can you intelligently explain what exactly is incorrect in the content of that link?] (]) 02:30, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

:What I said. '''Why''' does it not violate ]#11, as it's ''your'' site, and ''you'' are not an expert in the field (the guideline goes on to suggest that only experts with their own Misplaced Pages article should be considered.) I ''think'' it's bogus, but, even if it were correct, it shouldn't be used as an external link. — ] ] 17:50, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

:: Hi ArthurRubin - I just wanted to stick my head in and see what was going on here. Can I be of service? ] (]) 17:55, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

:::The editor in question, and a few IP addresses which are undoubtably him, have been adding references to the website perfectperiodictable . com (spaced so that the link doesn't appear here), as if it were a usable web site describing a scientific theory. It's ''clearly'' a personal web site, which should be sufficient for removal. I first saw it at ], which I found during the naming dispute on that article. It seemed clearly inappropriate there, and considering how inappropriate it seemed, I thought I'd see where else it was added.
:::#]; if the site were acceptable, and were slightly rewritten, it might justify an alternate set of quantum numbers for the electron configuration, of ''n''+''l'' (increasing), ''l'' (decreasing), and ''m'' (neutral) (in terms of the energy of the orbital.)
:::#]; clearly wouldn't fit, even if rewritten.
:::#]; if the site were acceptable, a possible link, as the analogy to the tetrahedral configuration (''not'' "close-packing") could be a useful mnenomic device for the electron orbitals.
:::But the site is clearly ''not'' acceptable under ]#11, and it has some ] baggage.
:::It appears he's the only one who thinks it belongs. I had to be careful to avoid 3RR, so I had to use the {{tl|dubious}} tag on the last round. — ] ] 18:17, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

== 2070s ==

Hi! It was not an automated patch, I fixed it by manually running the corresponding command. Unfortunatelly, I don't know any way to automatically fix it. ] (]) 07:56, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

== Error on Cook Levin theorem page ==

Dear Arthur, please join the discussion under CNF on the discussion page of ]. ] (]) 11:08, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

== Help with the William Rodriguez Page ==

Mr. Rubin, I want you to check the page again. User Contrivance, like always has continued his non supported editing , NPOV, WikiNOCrystalBALL, etc. He complained to admin ] and I received a warning. Not fair, I believe that it should have been all the way around, but then again, Mr.Mathews may not have all the time to go trough all the edits made by this user. After constant pointing by others, including you on his use of non wiki, npov, speculation and dubious websites, he has taken the complaint as the only form to hit back since he is constantly proved to be wrong. PLease do check again and if you can, communicate with Mr. Matthews about this whole issue. Fairness is what I am asking for, nothing more, nothing less. Thanks in advance.] (]) 02:42, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

:: Dr. Rubin, Celeronel's ideas of fairness are very peculiar, and include the privileges of 1) charging that any criticism of incompetent research or reasoning or grammar is racist, 2) posting from personal knowledge, 3) exemption from probable sockpuppetry and WP:COI and WP:AUTO issues, 4) failing to respond to questions about the rationale for peculiar and often ungrammatical edits, 5) mind-reading of the subject, unjustified inferences, advertising and, finally, 6) attempts of long standing at intimidation through attempted outing and threats to slander associates of the real life person he wishes Contrivance were. Celeronel claims he's asking for fairness. What he practices is thuggery. Ask Jazz2006. ] (]) 03:01, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

== ] ==

Would you mind withdrawing this nomination so that all of these templates can be nominated? The Republicans, Democrats, and (I believe) each party listed on the Third party page have a similar - and similarly pointless - template that should be discussed/deleted all at once, imho. --'']''&nbsp;<sup>]</sup> 03:44, 2 November 2008 (UTC)
:I don't think I ''may'' withdraw it, as there are two other '''delete''' votes. I see your point, though. — ] ] 07:01, 2 November 2008 (UTC)
::Okay. I'll put together a nomination for the other templates at ] and put them up. I think I'll wait until the current TfD is done, though - one of my pet peeves is overlapping noms taking place at the same time ("Let's rely on that precedent...wait, it hasn't been decided yet!"). --'']''&nbsp;<sup>]</sup> 11:06, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

== On years articles ==

Hi Arthur, I have been wondering if awards should be unlinked or not. While Nobel prize has more links to sub prizes, the other prizes don't. Such as the Templeton Prize on the article ]. So what should be used? (On WP policies, links are allowed in subtitles if the whole title is a link.) Thanks. — ] (]) 17:50, 2 November 2008 (UTC)
:I'm not sure if a prize which typically only has one recipient per year should be a subheading; perhaps a Wikitable or an html dd list might be a more appropriate format, if we add more than one "minor" prize. But it probably should be a link. Rembmer, though, I was in favor of linking the dates of birth and death in biographical articles, so I may be more supportive of links than most. — ] ] 19:23, 2 November 2008 (UTC)
::I agree. I think the best way would be to add all the awards to a single section called Awards. Should I go with section Awards? — ] (]) 20:05, 2 November 2008 (UTC)
:::Fine with me. — ] ] 21:02, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

== SRA ==

'Cos you and PS were editing the section - what do you think of wording? Emphasis is on the explanation, not the authors. Suggestions welcome, it's getting harder to write the page as all the crap I've read is starting to slosh together. ] <small>] ]</small> <sup>] - ]</sup> 14:21, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

== ] ==

Why did you revert my edits to the ] article? ] (]) 14:50, 3 November 2008 (UTC)
:It ''seemed'' to be an extension of the previous item, which already has too much detail. If I'm mistaken, I apologize. — ] ] 15:21, 3 November 2008 (UTC)
::You're right, it was a bit too detailed in the first place. I have re-introduced my information while paring down the original material. ] (]) 15:43, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

== ] ==

In the AFD for this entry you specifically ask for cleanup/creation. That's not really what AFD is for. I suggest you search the ] for help or some ] instead. If you withdraw the nomination, I'll drop a copy of the article on your talk page after deletion -- if you think it's useful. - ]|] 00:10, 5 November 2008 (UTC)
:I don't ''know'' if she's notable, meaning AfD is appropriate. All I'm saying is that the article really doesn't say she's notable, and I haven't found a strong indication that she's notable in English-language materials. The only thing in it's (the article's) favor is that there's an apparently stable article on ja.wikipedia, although I wouldn't swear it's about her, and, even assuming good faith, there's no reason to ''assume'' that ja. and en. have the same notability standards. — ] ] 00:20, 5 November 2008 (UTC)

== A volunteer request ==

Dear Arthur. I am submitting (an) ] and if you could write an Op-Ed (Co-nom) on my contributions and understanding of Misplaced Pages, it would be very helpful. I have also asked ]. Your time is really appreciated. I have learned a lot from you and I thank you for that. — ] (]) 18:13, 5 November 2008 (UTC)
:I'm not sure it would help, considering the number of times that I've been blocked, but I'll certainly give it consideration. — ] ] 18:57, 5 November 2008 (UTC)
::Thanks for your support. On blocks, I don't think it's a problem at all, considering few blocks, I believe were not fully justified and were 3rr. But considering you are a very good person is what matters. Mostly if not all, you understand the world in true meaning, you know the great damage done by mythologies and pseudoscience, and you are a skeptic. Oh, and have a PhD from Caltech, very nice. When I come to California in 2009, I will meet you. I am a ], and building the world's largest university (currently in planning and design stage, I will keep you informed via email). Sincerely, ] (]) 23:32, 6 November 2008 (UTC)

== better place? ==

We're off topic there; perhaps you could point or create a new place where we can exchange few ideas about the subjecst we've just touched. ] (]) 18:30, 5 November 2008 (UTC)

== Page move ==

Please move the title ] to ] standard title ], also the new title is required for the ]. Thanks. — ] (]) 23:13, 6 November 2008 (UTC)
:A problem is that the template at the bottom of the article points to dozens of "''year'' in video gaming" articles. This needs further investigation. — ] ] 18:42, 7 November 2008 (UTC)

== september 11 ==

there is no more proof that september 11 was an act of terrorism by al-Qaeda than there is that it was organised by the American government.
it is a pity that someone of your power cannot see the fault in only being able to prove somethings truth by providing links to other media's opinions.
you guys do an amazing job but one should always remember that with the role of 'speakinng the truth' comes a huge responsibility.

is it not obvious that there is a fault in trusting mainstream media to be the ones deciding what is the truth?

warren lewis
south africa

--] (]) 16:59, 7 November 2008 (UTC)

:I'm afraid we disagree — meaning (1) the Misplaced Pages consensus, including myself, vs. (2) you and the ]. Please take it to the appropriate article talk page, if you want to deal with the matter further. I will not respond further here. — ] ] 18:41, 7 November 2008 (UTC)

== ] ==

I don't understand the article and don't really care if it stays or goes, but every time I turn around you've heaped another template upon it. Isn't nominating it for deletion enough? It may be difficult for the primary editor to assume your good faith since you have not offered any explanation on the talk page.--] (]) 19:26, 7 November 2008 (UTC)
:I've added and ''deleted'' templated tags, although I see I need to add one more, POV#Title, or whatever it's called. I didn't check who added "too-technical", but it's not. I now see that the statement is ''trivially'' equivalent to ], but the name is not used anywhere in the real world, and the author has not provided any evidence that the statement appears anywhere in the real world. I provided most of what you might think is needed on the talk page in my {{tl|prod}} reasons, which the author responded to. — ] ] 19:33, 7 November 2008 (UTC)
::I haven't seen any justification for the factual accuracy being disputed. Yes, you backed off it being totally disputed, but isn't it polite to justify your reasons for disputing the facts? I don't expect to understand those reasons but I imagine the other editor might. I'm still not seeing a big assumption of good faith on your part here - although I'm aware that this is far from my specialty, I think I could spot civility and wikilove when I see it.--] (]) 19:37, 7 November 2008 (UTC)

== Doh! ==

revert. I should have done that in the 1st place. No way it's ]. --] ] 23:31, 7 November 2008 (UTC)

== MLM article ==

Hi Arthur. I see you removed the addition re Helmstetter that had been added to the MLM article. While I think it still needed work, your logic regarding the reason to remove it was a little strange given that it was in response to a quote from an anonymmous article on a self-published site that was talking only about Amway, not MLM generically. On what basis do you consider it valid to include that critique but not a response from a published expert on the topic? --] (]) 23:48, 7 November 2008 (UTC)
:See my comment above. The source wasn't reliable. The sentiment of the text that was removed could be included if you can find a reliable source. --] ] 23:52, 7 November 2008 (UTC)
::I think there's actually an internet archive version of it, i'll revert with that as source. In any case, the point remains - what makes the apologetics index page RS? It's an anonymous self-published article. --] (]) 00:26, 8 November 2008 (UTC)
:::An archive of the Amway wiki isn't any more reliable than the wiki. If there is other stuff there (pro or anti) with the same flimsy sources, then it should be treated in the same way and deleted. --] ] 00:31, 8 November 2008 (UTC)
:::Of course, the disagreement might be resolved by including any bias in the article text. "Amway representatives claim..." or something like that. --] ] 00:34, 8 November 2008 (UTC)
::::Helmstetter isn't an Amway rep. He's a PHD in motivational psychology and a published author on the topic of Amway, one of the world's largest MLMs. Still, I'm not so much concerned about him now as the AI reference in the first place. Reviewing their site they explicitly state - "You'll notice that we're not neutral". So we have an anonymous article on a self-published site that the maintainers themselves state is "not neutral". It may pass "external link" criteria, but I can't see an argument for it passing ].--] (]) 00:41, 8 November 2008 (UTC)
:::::Looks like you're right. That paragraph should be removed as well, unless a reliable source can be found. --] ] 00:45, 8 November 2008 (UTC)
::::::I removed the paragraph in question. We can probably stop hijacking Arthur's talk page now. Feel free to post on my talk page if there's any further problems with the article. --] ] 00:50, 8 November 2008 (UTC)

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