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*''When I start it up I get one of the following errors: | |||
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*When I try to update to the new version 4.0, the updater freezes halfway through. | |||
*:There is a bug in the version 3.9 updater. If you encounter this problem, uninstall AWB, and then re-install the . | |||
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*''Does AWB run on Linux or Mac?'' | |||
*:Not yet. | |||
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== Stub spacing == | |||
{{Tracked|T382578}} | |||
The requirement for two blank lines before stubs has now been removed. See ] — ] <sup>]</sup> 08:54, 20 December 2024 (UTC) | |||
:Does this mean there is or will be a new version of AWB? I'm currently using version 6.3.1.1. ] (]) 22:26, 20 December 2024 (UTC) | |||
*''Does AWB work on other projects/languages?'' | |||
:: Due to (19 December 2024) changes to CSS on enwiki, output is now OK with two blank lines, one blank line or no blank line before a stub. AWB no longer ''needs'' to force two lines before a stub for enwiki. No idea about other wikis — ] <sup>]</sup> 23:50, 20 December 2024 (UTC) | |||
*:Many WikiMedia projects and languages are supported, see the "User and project preferences" option in the general menu. Other languages will be added on request, though at the moment the interface is always in English. You are also able to use AWB with ] wikis, if you go to the ''General'' menu and select "User and project preferences", you can change the wiki there. The wiki must support the required by AWB. This means that it should have or something close to that. | |||
== Bot saving blank pages == | |||
*''What interwiki link order does AWB use?'' | |||
*:The software reads the interwiki sort order from ], which is generally mirrored to reflect the order at ]. | |||
Since there's not much information on this that I'm aware of, I think it's important to keep track of the circumstances that this bug presents itself. Tom.Bot was running on Wikispecies nearly continuously for 2 weeks, from Dec 7 to Dec 21, after 492,026 successful saves in the same instance of AWB before it started intermittently saving blank pages, despite failing a "Skip if doesn't contain" check that I thought would help prevent this problem. Very shortly prior to that, I "Reset saved/skipped counts", which usually produces a large negative "Edits/min" value, which may or may not be related. Before restarting the AWB instance, I reran the bot on some of the blanked pages and they were not blanked again. Restarting the instance fixed the problem. <b>~</b> <span style="font-family:Monotype Corsiva; font-size:16px;">] (] ⋅])</span> 19:40, 22 December 2024 (UTC) | |||
*''AWB puts stubs after categories, though categories are always rendered the last by MediaWiki?'' | |||
:See also {{slink|User_talk:Primefac/Archive_21#Blanking}}, slightly different setup for skip checks. ] (]) 12:56, 23 December 2024 (UTC) | |||
*:According to ], ''By convention this is placed at the end of the article, after the External links section, any navigation templates, and the category tags, '''so that the stub category will appear last'''.'' If your wiki uses other order, please let us know ]. | |||
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*''I don't like or use Internet Explorer; please use Firefox instead.'' | |||
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Is there a way to apply ] (e.g. <code>talk banner shell conversion</code>) to AWB edits? If so, does it consume the already-precious summary buffer? <b>~</b> <span style="font-family:Monotype Corsiva; font-size:16px;">] (] ⋅])</span> 17:04, 28 December 2024 (UTC) | |||
*''How do I open the page in another browser if I can't use the one in AWB?'' | |||
*:Right click on the edit box in the bottom right side of your screen. Select "Open page in browser" | |||
== Multiple blank lines == | |||
*''How do I edit a page that doesn't exist?'' | |||
*:Uncheck "Ignore non existing pages" in the "Skip articles" box. | |||
Hi, this is related to a change I want to do on Wiktionary, is there a way by AWB to change multiple blank lines to a single blank line? Sample: | |||
*''How do I skip certain articles?'' | |||
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*:Use the "Skip if contains" and "Skip if doesn't contain" in the "(2) Set options" tab | |||
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*''Can't you leave up a "stable" version, so I don't have to download new versions? | |||
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*''How can I stop AWB clicking when it changes pages?'' | |||
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*''AWB randomly crashes upon page load on my system, and I always use a browser other than Internet Explorer when using Misplaced Pages.''' | |||
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*''I get Just In Time Debugger Messages when loading AWB/loading pages'' | |||
*:In Internet Explorer, go to Tools --> Options --> Advanced. Make sure 'Disable Script Debugging (Internet Explorer)' and 'Disable Script Debugging (Other)' Are both checked. Press apply and close. | |||
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* Modified versions of '''monobook.js''' (e.g. to utilise popups, godmode-light etc.): AWB works, but page loading can be slow. Workaround is to disable Active Scripting in Internet Explorer - see ] for more information and workaround. | |||
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== Help == | |||
* We need an "expert" list... | |||
* I need to add three lines to an Infobox on every player that has that Infobox...? The Category contains people that may, or may not have the infobox. Suggestions? | |||
-- ] (]) 18:23, 30 November 2008 (UTC) | |||
:#Import the category | |||
:#Switch find/replace on and replace }} with ''lines you need to add''}} | |||
:#Check the "ignore if no replacement made" box | |||
:#Stare blankly at a screen clicking the "save" box for as long as it takes. | |||
:I'd strongly advise making one change, then viewing the saved version in your browser (both in page view and in the edit window) to avoid any nasty surprises. – '']'' 00:25, 2 December 2008 (UTC) | |||
::And if step 4 drives you nuts, read the AWB help pages on the list comparer. If there are just 1 or 2 infoboxes in question, you can compare the list of players to the list of pages that transclude the infobox, and take only the pages that are in both sets. HTH --] | ] 00:36, 2 December 2008 (UTC) | |||
:::(adding) When doing step 4, make sure it's only replacing the right }}! If there's an unsubsted template on the article (a stub template, for example), don't let it add the lines to that as well! – '']'' 16:40, 2 December 2008 (UTC) | |||
== Special pipe trick == | |||
Is there a way to do a category pipe trick that will look for a page name of January 1 and make the pipe January 01? -- <font color="#000080">Mufka</font> ] ] ] 17:23, 2 December 2008 (UTC) | |||
== AWB and web standards == | |||
In this edit made with AWB, a ref was converted to be a named reference, in the form <nowiki><ref name="Lent"/></nowiki>. I thought per web standards the correct form was <nowiki><ref name="Lent" /></nowiki>? Do I have this wrong? ] <small>] </small> 14:06, 3 December 2008 (UTC) | |||
:w00t, web standards don't know anything about that tag. ]<sup>(])</sup> 14:47, 3 December 2008 (UTC) | |||
== AWB question == | |||
I am wanting to use AWB on another wikia, but for some reason I keep getting the error "There was a problem loading the page" and won't edit anything. ] (]) 22:14, 3 December 2008 (UTC) | |||
: - Choose the link at the top, and use that version of awb <small>—<font face="Trebuchet MS">''']]'''</font></small> 00:02, 4 December 2008 (UTC) | |||
::Now I just need my founder to realize how to give me 'bot' access. Do you know how to do that so I can tell him? ] (]) 21:05, 4 December 2008 (UTC) | |||
:::] <small>—<font face="Trebuchet MS">''']]'''</font></small> 21:14, 4 December 2008 (UTC) | |||
::::I have that page set up, but it still keeps saying ''User name is not enabled to use this.'' and redirects me to that page you listed. ] (]) 21:51, 4 December 2008 (UTC) | |||
:::::The founder needs to go to ] on the wikia and check the box or whatnot that says "Make this user a bot". However, you should set up a second account to become the bot. --] (]) 22:31, 4 December 2008 (UTC) | |||
== Controversial edits by Lightmouse == | |||
One of the rules of use concerning AWB says, "Don't do anything controversial with it. If there is a chance that the edits you are considering might be controversial, consider soliciting comment at the village pump or appropriate Wikiproject before proceeding." Various discussions at various times have been held involving ] use of AWB to make controversial edits, more specifically his use of the tool to delink dates and make other changes. He is now using AWB in full force to make these edits, often at the rate of more than one article per minute (for example, he edited 75 articles in 8 minutes using AWB on December 8, which is 9.375 articles per minute or one article every 6.4 seconds), which in itself appears to contravene the spirit if not the letter of the AWB rules. Also, concern has been expressed on Lightmouse's discussion page about his use of AWB to make the exact same edits in the exact same article numerous times, despite having full knowledge that these edits are erroneous. In my opinion, that constitutes "edit warring", although others disagree, in part based on an interpretation that the edit warring policies do not apply to "trivial" edits. All these issues need to be addressed in a comprehensive way, not only with Lightmouse but also so that other editors know the limits of AWB use, if any. Thank you. ] (]) 23:37, 8 December 2008 (UTC) | |||
:Please stop forum shopping. This has been discussed at length in multiple places, including at least 2 RfCs which have been announced via {{tl|cent}} and show a strong consensus to allow this. Also, a discussion which you participated in and a subsequent follow up at ] allowed any user to help set articles in line with the MoS. I understand that you don't dislike Lightmouse's edits, but the proper place to bring up your views right now is on the RfCs. - <font color="navy">]</font>''''' <sup><font color="green">]</font></sup>'''''<sub><font color="purple">]</font></sub> 23:48, 8 December 2008 (UTC) | |||
::You're saying that the rules of use concerning AWB were overruled sub silentio? In other words, it's now OK to make controversial edits with AWB regardless of the AWB rules of use and it's now OK to make several edits per minute using AWB regardless of the rules of use? And you're also saying that the ongoing RFCs support Lightmouse's actions even though the RFCs have not yet concluded? How odd that you would make these on-their-face dubious assertions, especially for someone who . By the way, ], an alternate account of ] (see his posts below), is making the same kinds of edits as Lightmouse using AWB. ] (]) 04:18, 9 December 2008 (UTC) | |||
:::"''...even though the RFCs have not yet concluded?''" Yes, it's all over bar the shouting. | |||
:::"''...especially for someone who currently is a candidate for administrator''" How is that supposed to be relevant to anything? ] (]) 05:52, 9 December 2008 (UTC) | |||
:::*O, IC! it means "I'm going to vote against you in your ]". ] (]) 07:29, 9 December 2008 (UTC) | |||
:::After looking at both RfCs, the debate in August, Featured Articles and Featured Lists (as well as the candidacy wikispaces ), Tony1's page of general consensus before the change to MOSNUM was made, and the relevant ANI thread posted on ], I would not say that Lightmouse's edits are "controversial". ] (]) 04:27, 9 December 2008 (UTC) | |||
::::I feel they're controversial, but if he's not doing it with AWB he'll simply carry on with his own script, so it's a losing battle as far as I'm concerned. Unfortunate, really, because it's the encyclopedia that suffers in the end. —] • ] • ] 04:34, 9 December 2008 (UTC) | |||
::::*"''I feel they're controversial... Unfortunate, really, because it's the encyclopedia that suffers in the end.''" You have a right to your opinion - the community at large disagrees overwhelmingly. ] (]) 05:41, 9 December 2008 (UTC) | |||
:::::*Care to point me to where they disagree? I see one RFC with questions asking which exact wording should be inserted (or not inserted) into ]. I see another RFC asking if date linking purely to gain autoformatting should be "deprecated" (not removed immediately with bots/scripts/pitchforks). Anyone with even an inkling of understanding of the word "deprecation" knows that it means "stop using, but leave existing uses in place" or alternately "stop using, but remove existing uses in the course of normal editing". Or is there another RFC which establishes that date links should be "removed with any and all means necessary, including fire!"? —] • ] • ] 05:49, 9 December 2008 (UTC) | |||
::::::* < BIG YAWN > ] (]) 05:56, 9 December 2008 (UTC) | |||
:::::::*Right, as I suspected, you (and nobody else) have consensus for this kind of widespread change, you're just wishing upon a star. —] • ] • ] 06:16, 9 December 2008 (UTC) | |||
::::::::* < ZZZZzzzz.... > ] (]) 06:21, 9 December 2008 (UTC) | |||
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::::See from ]: "See where it says in large black letters ]? Means what it says. If you're using AWB to make edits that there's a ''possibility'' of someone disagreeing with (aside from when you're indisputably in the right, such as correcting "jewelery" which always leads to 'but that's the correct spelling' protests from people who don't bother checking the dictionary), you don't seem to understand what it's for." ] (]) 07:08, 9 December 2008 (UTC) | |||
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</pre> ] (]) 08:11, 1 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
:You can make a strict regex rule to replace <code>(\n\*+\]\])\s*\n\s*\n\s*\n\s*(==)</code> with <code>$1\n\n$2</code>, which will reduce 2 or more blank lines down to 1. | |||
:You can also make a more liberal rule to replace <code>(\n\*+\]\])\s*\n\s*(==)</code> with <code>$1\n\n$2</code>, which will also expand from 0 blank lines up to 1. <b>~</b> <span style="font-family:Monotype Corsiva; font-size:16px;">] (] ⋅])</span> 09:28, 1 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
::I think there is a simpler replacement: find <code>(\S\n)\s+(\n\S)</code> → <code>$1$2</code>. ] (]) 13:13, 1 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
:::<s>What about ]?</s> Oh yeah, now that ] is automagic, that's probably safe. <b>~</b> <span style="font-family:Monotype Corsiva; font-size:16px;">] (] ⋅])</span> 14:40, 1 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
::::Thank you both for your help :)) ] (]) 17:46, 1 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
==Hatnote order== | |||
Earlier today, Lightmouse edited 197 articles in 26 minutes (7.58 articles per minute or one article every 8 seconds). A proper use of AWB? I think not. ] (]) 17:01, 9 December 2008 (UTC) | |||
This afternoon, {{u|Primefac}} pointed out to me that certain edits I was making were putting the hatnotes in wrong order in a set of articles, as . | |||
Think is, I was running a similar task last night, and and other similar edits came out OK. And the only thing I've changed between now and then is uploaded a new list of articles. I've changed none of the AWB settings I was using. | |||
:Lightmouse or the bot? Between 7-10 edits a minute is normal for bots, no matter what program they run on. Can we please keep the discussions in one place instead of constantly kicking the horse here? <font color="green" face="Comic Sans MS">]</font> • <font color="green" face="Comic Sans MS">]</font> 17:16, 9 December 2008 (UTC) | |||
Any idea what might be causing the discrepancy? --<span style="font-family:Old English Text MT">]</span><sup>]</sup><sub>]</sub> 17:42, 4 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
::Lightmouse. I haven't said anything about his bot. ] (]) 21:21, 9 December 2008 (UTC) | |||
:Do you think that AWB itself is changing the order of these hatnotes? Could you include the regex you're using to add the {{tl|Use mdy dates}} template? ] (]) 18:59, 4 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
:::Just checking, I've seen some confuse the names. Either way, this isn't the appropriate ground for this discussion...yet. If the MoS goes back to say linking is fine and he continues to unlink, then it should be brought up here. There have been multiple discussions here and elsewhere and nowehere is there a solid argument for stopping his current action. Unless I missed something? <font color="green" face="Comic Sans MS">]</font> • <font color="green" face="Comic Sans MS">]</font> 21:44, 9 December 2008 (UTC) | |||
::{{ping|Kiwipete}} Apologies, I've been out all day. Came home and did a little tinkering to see if I could isolate more of the issue before I came here. | |||
::To answer your question: I simply put "<nowiki>{{Use mdy dates|date=January 2025}}</nowiki>" into the "Append/Prepend text" window, marked "Prepend", and checked the box "Sort metadata after". In every instance over the past few days where I have checked and double-checked, that has been sufficient. (To answer your other question: AWB wasn't changing the order of anything. Rather, in it's properly sorting the metadata ''after'' introducing the new hatnote. In , it is ''not''. It is inserting the hatnote and moving on. (A module might fix this, and I haven't had the time to experiment with it today.)) | |||
::HOWEVER: I found the issue ''again'' on another television article from another batch: see . | |||
::The two incorrect articles are about television seasons, and I'm wondering if the problem has something to do with the <nowiki>{{italictitle}}</nowiki> template and its siblings. That's the only common denominator I can think of. | |||
::(And please excuse any lack of clarity in my response here - I am ''severely'' non-technological, and consequently it's a minor miracle that I've gotten as far as I have in targeting this issue.) --<span style="font-family:Old English Text MT">]</span><sup>]</sup><sub>]</sub> 07:17, 5 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
:Why did you add a blank line between <code><nowiki>{{Use mdy dates|date=January 2025}}</nowiki></code> & <code><nowiki>{{Infobox Arizona Legislature</nowiki></code> ? <b>~</b> <span style="font-family:Monotype Corsiva; font-size:16px;">] (] ⋅])</span> 20:41, 4 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
::{{ping|Tom.Reding}} Wrong "newlines" setting, sorry. --<span style="font-family:Old English Text MT">]</span><sup>]</sup><sub>]</sub> 07:10, 5 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
== Should have limitation on certain parameters of templates == | |||
::::Of course his actions are controversial. "Controversial" does not necessarily mean "prohibited." See my quote of ], above. That's why we have not one, but two, currently pending RFCs about date linking. And aside from that, there is the serious issue about using AWB to edit at the rate of approximately one article every 8 seconds. This is exactly the right forum to be talking about this because the AWB rules of use are at issue here. ] (]) 22:00, 9 December 2008 (UTC) | |||
AWB should have restriction on certain parameters of citation templates. see this ]. It has put a space after comma at url parameter and causes ]. It's ok to have AWB on title parameter of citation templates.––]<sup>(])(])</sup> 18:01, 4 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
Is there anything that says, don't edit reeeeeaaalllyyy fast? What we have is: ''Don't edit too fast; consider opening a bot account if you are regularly making more than a few edits a minute.'' Lightmouse has opened a bot account {{done}}Part1. If Lightmouse checked over, say, a CSV file and then just fed the edits through it shouldn't matter how fast someone edits. If the AWB rules of use are the issue, then don't throw off the discussion by complaining about a single user. Everyone's gone there rounds here and none of the Devs have expressed much interest in taking away userrights for Lightmouse as everything currently stands. But I think it would be much simpler to have this discussion once, in a central area, this place isn't visited by too many instead of ] ] ] ] ]. | |||
:Also consider this ].––]<sup>(])(])</sup> 18:08, 4 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
::{{Re|KEmel49}} AWB is very configurable and is used for different tasks by different editors. Problems with AWB edits should be raised first with the editor making them. | |||
::{{Ping|BD2412}} Do your regular expressions have something to stop them editing URLs? I tack <code><nowiki>(?<!https?://\<\>]*)</nowiki></code> on to the end of some of mine, and that works 99% of the time. -- ] (]) 18:56, 4 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
::: I generally just eyeball it. 99% of the time, there are just one or two clear errors on the page. What would actually help more would be for the changes to show up more prominently in the AWB edit window. Give me a few minutes and I'll mock up a concept. ] ] 19:23, 4 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
:::: Okay, that was more than a few minutes, but I would like the AWB window (top image) to look more like the Misplaced Pages edit window (bottom image): | |||
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:Lightmouse and ] (an alternate account of ]) are the only editors that I know are violating the AWB rules of use concerning both controversial and too-speedy edits. But if you are aware of others, you are of course free to inform us about them here. Also, your argument that "others are violating the rules, so Lightmouse should be allowed to violate the rules, too" is illogical on its face. P.S. Don't forget to sign your posts. ] (]) 03:48, 10 December 2008 (UTC) | |||
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Using AWB, Lightmouse (himself, not his bot) has just succeeded in editing 1,777 articles in 114 minutes, which is 15.6 articles per minute or 1 article every 3.8 seconds. Ridiculous abuse of AWB, in my opinion. ] (]) 07:30, 10 December 2008 (UTC) | |||
:::: In fact, what would be ideal would be for the entire URL to be highlighted in the AWB window when an edit was changing its structure, and/or for AWB to have an alert for that in the alert window. ] ] 21:47, 4 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
:Tennis expert, I am both surprised and disappointed that you are still complaining about this issue even though it was discussed at length a couple of weeks ago and the consensus was against you. The recent RFC debate over delinking of dates shows a consensus in favour of data delinking, even if the minor details have not yet been agreed. Therefore the edits of Lightmouse do not count as controversial. Secondly, regarding your complaints over the speed at which AWB is used, surely the faster a user can make improvements to Misplaced Pages, the better? None of the database administrators have ever complained that such use of AWB has caused any performance issue for other users. I think you have no genuine basis for complaint and are trying to quote the AWB rules of use to the letter to add strength to your weak argument. ] 08:24, 10 December 2008 (UTC) | |||
== Can't save at all == | |||
::I am both surprised and disappointed that you would cite two ongoing RFCs, which are still almost two weeks away from closing, as evidence of consensus for anything. So, yes, Lightmouse's edits are controversial. And the AWB rules are the rules. If you don't like the rules, then advocate for their change. Until then, one of the rules deals with edit speed, which Lightmouse is flagrantly abusing. ] (]) 15:24, 10 December 2008 (UTC) | |||
When I try to save any edits with AWB, it justs says "Saving", then "Restarting in 10", waits 10 seconds and re-scans the same page. No edits are made, and nothing appears in the log. Every time I click save, the wait increases by five seconds. ] <sub>]</sub> 19:39, 4 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
:::Odd how it's the ''speed'' of his edits, not their make-up, that are now of concern to you. The faster, the better, indeed. I'd support the removal of the rule in question if it came to that point. - ] / ] 15:29, 10 December 2008 (UTC) | |||
:None of your edits appear to show an AWB tag so has it ever worked for you? ] (]) 21:50, 4 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
::No, I have just been given permission recently, but I am on the checkpage. | |||
::Maybe it's something silly I'm doing wrong, as I'm a complete beginner in this program. | |||
::Any help much appreciated. | |||
::] <sub>]</sub> 06:33, 5 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
:::It ''was'' something silly indeed. I had not given my bot password sufficient permissions {{facepalm}}. | |||
:::My issue is {{solved}} | |||
:::Thanks! | |||
:::] <sub>]</sub> 06:42, 5 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
==Wheel arrangement== | |||
::::Try re-reading what I actually said. I have two points: using AWB to make controversial edits and the speediness of those edits. Lightmouse is flagrantly violating both rules. ] (]) 15:42, 10 December 2008 (UTC) | |||
was flagged up as an error, see edit summary of following edit. ] (]) 20:56, 4 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
:Redrose64 pinged me on a couple of these as well, however they are hard to spot against various other edits. Perhaps the regex could be rejected if the article contains the string 'locomotive' or similar? ] (]) 00:39, 7 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
::As that's from typo fixing, I suggest the issue is raised ]. ] 09:40, 7 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
== What does "new" mean? == | |||
It is odd that people think a complaint will succeed without a quoted edit. Evidence please. If there is harm, let everybody see the harmed article. ] (]) 15:37, 10 December 2008 (UTC) | |||
On the bottom right there are the numbers "pages/min", "edits/min", "edits", "skipped" and "new". What does "new" mean? I've read the manual but can't seem to find it in it. ―<span style="font-family:Poppins, Helvetica, Sans-serif;">]</span> ] 00:04, 10 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
:The "harm" is your flagrant abuse of the rules of use of AWB. The evidence is . I invite anyone to click on any of the thousands of articles you have edited in the last few days to see how you are making controversial edits (delinking dates) at a frenetic pace. ] (]) 15:42, 10 December 2008 (UTC) | |||
:Number of pages created i.e. new pages. ] 15:22, 10 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
You are the accuser of harm, you supply evidence of harm. That is how fair trials work. Present evidence of harm or drop the case. If you think you have thousands of harmed articles to choose from, it shouldn't take you long. ] (]) 16:01, 10 December 2008 (UTC) |
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Stub spacing
Tracked in PhabricatorTask T382578
The requirement for two blank lines before stubs has now been removed. See WP:STUBSPACING — GhostInTheMachine 08:54, 20 December 2024 (UTC)
- Does this mean there is or will be a new version of AWB? I'm currently using version 6.3.1.1. Kiwipete (talk) 22:26, 20 December 2024 (UTC)
- Due to (19 December 2024) changes to CSS on enwiki, output is now OK with two blank lines, one blank line or no blank line before a stub. AWB no longer needs to force two lines before a stub for enwiki. No idea about other wikis — GhostInTheMachine 23:50, 20 December 2024 (UTC)
Bot saving blank pages
Since there's not much information on this that I'm aware of, I think it's important to keep track of the circumstances that this bug presents itself. Tom.Bot was running on Wikispecies nearly continuously for 2 weeks, from Dec 7 to Dec 21, after 492,026 successful saves in the same instance of AWB before it started intermittently saving blank pages, despite failing a "Skip if doesn't contain" check that I thought would help prevent this problem. Very shortly prior to that, I "Reset saved/skipped counts", which usually produces a large negative "Edits/min" value, which may or may not be related. Before restarting the AWB instance, I reran the bot on some of the blanked pages and they were not blanked again. Restarting the instance fixed the problem. ~ Tom.Reding (talk ⋅dgaf) 19:40, 22 December 2024 (UTC)
- See also User talk:Primefac/Archive 21 § Blanking, slightly different setup for skip checks. Primefac (talk) 12:56, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
Special:Tags
Is there a way to apply Special:Tags (e.g. talk banner shell conversion
) to AWB edits? If so, does it consume the already-precious summary buffer? ~ Tom.Reding (talk ⋅dgaf) 17:04, 28 December 2024 (UTC)
Multiple blank lines
Hi, this is related to a change I want to do on Wiktionary, is there a way by AWB to change multiple blank lines to a single blank line? Sample:
====Synonyms==== * ] ====Derived terms==== * ]
to
====Synonyms==== * ] ====Derived terms==== * ]
Svartava (talk) 08:11, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
- You can make a strict regex rule to replace
(\n\*+\]\])\s*\n\s*\n\s*\n\s*(==)
with$1\n\n$2
, which will reduce 2 or more blank lines down to 1. - You can also make a more liberal rule to replace
(\n\*+\]\])\s*\n\s*(==)
with$1\n\n$2
, which will also expand from 0 blank lines up to 1. ~ Tom.Reding (talk ⋅dgaf) 09:28, 1 January 2025 (UTC)- I think there is a simpler replacement: find
(\S\n)\s+(\n\S)
→$1$2
. Primefac (talk) 13:13, 1 January 2025 (UTC)What about WP:STUBSPACING?Oh yeah, now that WP:STUBSPACING is automagic, that's probably safe. ~ Tom.Reding (talk ⋅dgaf) 14:40, 1 January 2025 (UTC)- Thank you both for your help :)) Svartava (talk) 17:46, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
- I think there is a simpler replacement: find
Hatnote order
This afternoon, Primefac pointed out to me that certain edits I was making were putting the hatnotes in wrong order in a set of articles, as here.
Think is, I was running a similar task last night, and this and other similar edits came out OK. And the only thing I've changed between now and then is uploaded a new list of articles. I've changed none of the AWB settings I was using.
Any idea what might be causing the discrepancy? --Ser Amantio di NicolaoLo dicono a Signa. 17:42, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
- Do you think that AWB itself is changing the order of these hatnotes? Could you include the regex you're using to add the {{Use mdy dates}} template? Kiwipete (talk) 18:59, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
- @Kiwipete: Apologies, I've been out all day. Came home and did a little tinkering to see if I could isolate more of the issue before I came here.
- To answer your question: I simply put "{{Use mdy dates|date=January 2025}}" into the "Append/Prepend text" window, marked "Prepend", and checked the box "Sort metadata after". In every instance over the past few days where I have checked and double-checked, that has been sufficient. (To answer your other question: AWB wasn't changing the order of anything. Rather, in this instance it's properly sorting the metadata after introducing the new hatnote. In this instance, it is not. It is inserting the hatnote and moving on. (A module might fix this, and I haven't had the time to experiment with it today.))
- HOWEVER: I found the issue again on another television article from another batch: see here.
- The two incorrect articles are about television seasons, and I'm wondering if the problem has something to do with the {{italictitle}} template and its siblings. That's the only common denominator I can think of.
- (And please excuse any lack of clarity in my response here - I am severely non-technological, and consequently it's a minor miracle that I've gotten as far as I have in targeting this issue.) --Ser Amantio di NicolaoLo dicono a Signa. 07:17, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
- Why did you add a blank line between
{{Use mdy dates|date=January 2025}}
&{{Infobox Arizona Legislature
here? ~ Tom.Reding (talk ⋅dgaf) 20:41, 4 January 2025 (UTC)- @Tom.Reding: Wrong "newlines" setting, sorry. --Ser Amantio di NicolaoLo dicono a Signa. 07:10, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
Should have limitation on certain parameters of templates
AWB should have restriction on certain parameters of citation templates. see this diff. It has put a space after comma at url parameter and causes CS1 error. It's ok to have AWB on title parameter of citation templates.––kemel49 18:01, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
- Also consider this diff.––kemel49 18:08, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
- @KEmel49: AWB is very configurable and is used for different tasks by different editors. Problems with AWB edits should be raised first with the editor making them.
- @BD2412: Do your regular expressions have something to stop them editing URLs? I tack
(?<!https?://\<\>]*)
on to the end of some of mine, and that works 99% of the time. -- John of Reading (talk) 18:56, 4 January 2025 (UTC)- I generally just eyeball it. 99% of the time, there are just one or two clear errors on the page. What would actually help more would be for the changes to show up more prominently in the AWB edit window. Give me a few minutes and I'll mock up a concept. BD2412 T 19:23, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
- Okay, that was more than a few minutes, but I would like the AWB window (top image) to look more like the Misplaced Pages edit window (bottom image):
- I generally just eyeball it. 99% of the time, there are just one or two clear errors on the page. What would actually help more would be for the changes to show up more prominently in the AWB edit window. Give me a few minutes and I'll mock up a concept. BD2412 T 19:23, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
- In fact, what would be ideal would be for the entire URL to be highlighted in the AWB window when an edit was changing its structure, and/or for AWB to have an alert for that in the alert window. BD2412 T 21:47, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
Can't save at all
When I try to save any edits with AWB, it justs says "Saving", then "Restarting in 10", waits 10 seconds and re-scans the same page. No edits are made, and nothing appears in the log. Every time I click save, the wait increases by five seconds. Milo8505 (talk) 19:39, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
- None of your edits appear to show an AWB tag so has it ever worked for you? Neils51 (talk) 21:50, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
- No, I have just been given permission recently, but I am on the checkpage.
- Maybe it's something silly I'm doing wrong, as I'm a complete beginner in this program.
- Any help much appreciated.
- Milo8505 (talk) 06:33, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
- It was something silly indeed. I had not given my bot password sufficient permissions Facepalm.
- My issue is Resolved
- Thanks!
- Milo8505 (talk) 06:42, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
Wheel arrangement
This edit was flagged up as an error, see edit summary of following edit. John (talk) 20:56, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
- Redrose64 pinged me on a couple of these as well, however they are hard to spot against various other edits. Perhaps the regex could be rejected if the article contains the string 'locomotive' or similar? Neils51 (talk) 00:39, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
- As that's from typo fixing, I suggest the issue is raised on typos talk page. Rjwilmsi 09:40, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
What does "new" mean?
On the bottom right there are the numbers "pages/min", "edits/min", "edits", "skipped" and "new". What does "new" mean? I've read the manual but can't seem to find it in it. ―Panamitsu (talk) 00:04, 10 January 2025 (UTC)
- Number of pages created i.e. new pages. Rjwilmsi 15:22, 10 January 2025 (UTC)