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			It seems that The Hokkaido Crow has deleted pertinent things from this entry; not sure why The Hokkaido Crow would prefer ignorance. With The Hokkaido Crow's deletions, the article is very small and incomplete, now. ] 15:03, 4 November 2005 (EST)

	I note this page set up as something of a ] to support a POV from the ] article and I've neutralized this particular POV. ] 21:38, 25 October 2005 (UTC)		I note this page set up as something of a ] to support a POV from the ] article and I've neutralized this particular POV. ] 21:38, 25 October 2005 (UTC)

			== why was this deleted? Till does leave out relevant info for his readers==

			I believe the below paragraph should have not been deleted as it shows that Mr. Till leaves out pertinent information to his readers. If Mr. Till claims hyraxes do not chew the cud then mentions a particular encylclopedia and fails to mention that encyclopedia says that hyraxes ruminate I see this as a problem.

			Here is what I wrote:

			Criticisms of Farrell Till

			Farrell Till stated the Bible was incorrect in regards to the scriptures declaring that hares and hyraxes chewing the cud. In doing so Mr. Till stated that Wayne Jackson misquoted Grzimek's Animal Life Encyclopedia in regards to declaring it a ruminant which was correct. What Mr. Till ommitted to state however was that particular issue of Grzimek's Animal Life Encyclopedia said that hyraxes ruminate which directly comments on the very issue being discussed. Plus Mr. Till does not mention all the various exegetical issues and scientific issues that are involved in regards to the issues involving Leviticus 11: 5-6 according the various scientists and Jewish/Christian exegetical scholars. (For further details please see: Wycliffe Bible Encyclopedia, 1986, Animals of the Bible, Beasts of the field: hare, page 80, Moody Press, Chicago, IL). ] who comments on much of Mr. Till's work points out other matters which Mr. Till fails to mention in regards to his articles on the Bible in regards to animal behavior which has later been affirmed by scientists.

			] 21:54, 6 December 2005 (UTC)kdbuffalo

			== Links ==

			I agree with Dragonfly02. These aren't links to Gastrich's site. The Topica link is to Till's mail list and the Sermon Audio links are to Till's debate with Kent Hovind. --] 04:14, 26 February 2006 (UTC)
			: For interested parties, ] and ] are suspected Jason Gatrich puppets. By the decision of the ] suspected puppets are reverted on site. ] 02:25, 28 February 2006 (UTC)
			===The page in question, Jason Gastrich, and homosexuality===
			The page Gastrich is particularly interested in has a unique background. As it turns out, Jason Gastrich pretended to be Farrell Till and came out of closet with his sexuality while posing as Till via email. This shows the length and dishonesty that he does in the name of religion. It also shows a particular POV interest on the page. He later claimed it was a joke. ] 03:28, 28 February 2006 (UTC)
			:The links specifically are the offsite equivalent of ]s. They are not necessary to show that fundamentalist Christians hate Till, that is evident enough from the context of the article. ] 11:24, 28 February 2006 (UTC)

			== Possible link? ==

			As much as it pains me, I would like to suggest that http://lists.topica.com/lists/ii_errancy/read (if in fact it is Till's list) might make some sense as a link. Do we know what relationship Till has to it? If he is in fact in charge it may make sense as a link. ] 01:39, 2 March 2006 (UTC)

			== Stub? ==

			While the article is, indeed, short, is it actually a stub (using the definition of "Misplaced Pages entries that have not yet received substantial attention from the editors of Misplaced Pages, and as such do not yet contain enough information to be considered real articles")? Sure, there's a lot more to Till's life than the information listed here, but is that additional information relevant to Misplaced Pages? ] 18:55, 30 March 2006 (UTC)

			== Self Published Sources ==

			2 out of 3 sources for the article are self-published from the now deceased author's own site. History edits suggest that a family member was fleshing out the information in the past. If you pull the self-published sources, you are left with an obit as your one source, which would hint at not meeting the notable person requirements. ] (]) 22:35, 31 July 2015 (UTC)

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			== M.A. in English from Harding? ==

			Harding College, predecessor of ], never offered an M.A. in English. (Based on his dates, he must have gone to Harding College.) Harding University doesn't offer an M.A. in English either. Will delete unless citation proves otherwise. I'm willing to let the B.A. in English stand. ] (]) 19:19, 12 January 2021 (UTC)
			:Till stated here that he received both B.A. and M.A. from Harding College. I did a brief search but couldn't find anything to verify this, however I don't see any reason why he would make that up. I'm not sure how to go about checking what courses were or were not offered by Harding College at that time but I see that you're an academic so I'm guessing you do know how to check that information. ] ] 13:19, 13 January 2021 (UTC)
			::I just spoke with a former professor of English from Harding (who worked there for 40+ years). He said Till didn't have an M.A., but he might have had an ] with emphasis in English. I'll remove the master of arts degree until we find a secondary source that establishes his credentials. (Or we could find a source that establishes that one could get an MA in English from Harding in the 20th century, but that's highly unlikely.) ] (]) 21:30, 16 January 2021 (UTC)

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It seems that The Hokkaido Crow has deleted pertinent things from this entry; not sure why The Hokkaido Crow would prefer ignorance. With The Hokkaido Crow's deletions, the article is very small and incomplete, now. Big Lover 15:03, 4 November 2005 (EST)

I note this page set up as something of a strawman to support a POV from the biblical scientific foresight article and I've neutralized this particular POV. The Hokkaido Crow 21:38, 25 October 2005 (UTC)

why was this deleted? Till does leave out relevant info for his readers

I believe the below paragraph should have not been deleted as it shows that Mr. Till leaves out pertinent information to his readers. If Mr. Till claims hyraxes do not chew the cud then mentions a particular encylclopedia and fails to mention that encyclopedia says that hyraxes ruminate I see this as a problem.

Here is what I wrote:

Criticisms of Farrell Till

Farrell Till stated the Bible was incorrect in regards to the scriptures declaring that hares and hyraxes chewing the cud. In doing so Mr. Till stated that Wayne Jackson misquoted Grzimek's Animal Life Encyclopedia in regards to declaring it a ruminant which was correct. What Mr. Till ommitted to state however was that particular issue of Grzimek's Animal Life Encyclopedia said that hyraxes ruminate which directly comments on the very issue being discussed. Plus Mr. Till does not mention all the various exegetical issues and scientific issues that are involved in regards to the issues involving Leviticus 11: 5-6 according the various scientists and Jewish/Christian exegetical scholars. (For further details please see: Wycliffe Bible Encyclopedia, 1986, Animals of the Bible, Beasts of the field: hare, page 80, Moody Press, Chicago, IL). JP Holding who comments on much of Mr. Till's work points out other matters which Mr. Till fails to mention in regards to his articles on the Bible in regards to animal behavior which has later been affirmed by scientists.

ken 21:54, 6 December 2005 (UTC)kdbuffalo

Links

I agree with Dragonfly02. These aren't links to Gastrich's site. The Topica link is to Till's mail list and the Sermon Audio links are to Till's debate with Kent Hovind. --Juicy Juicy 04:14, 26 February 2006 (UTC)

For interested parties, User:Dragonfly02 and Juicy Juicy are suspected Jason Gatrich puppets. By the decision of the RFC against Jason Gastrich for puppetry and NPOV suspected puppets are reverted on site. Arbusto 02:25, 28 February 2006 (UTC)

The page in question, Jason Gastrich, and homosexuality

The page Gastrich is particularly interested in has a unique background. As it turns out, Jason Gastrich pretended to be Farrell Till and came out of closet with his sexuality while posing as Till via email. This shows the length and dishonesty that he does in the name of religion. It also shows a particular POV interest on the page. He later claimed it was a joke. Arbusto 03:28, 28 February 2006 (UTC)

The links specifically are the offsite equivalent of POV forks. They are not necessary to show that fundamentalist Christians hate Till, that is evident enough from the context of the article. Just zis Guy you know? 11:24, 28 February 2006 (UTC)

Possible link?

As much as it pains me, I would like to suggest that http://lists.topica.com/lists/ii_errancy/read (if in fact it is Till's list) might make some sense as a link. Do we know what relationship Till has to it? If he is in fact in charge it may make sense as a link. JoshuaZ 01:39, 2 March 2006 (UTC)

Stub?

While the article is, indeed, short, is it actually a stub (using the definition of "Misplaced Pages entries that have not yet received substantial attention from the editors of Misplaced Pages, and as such do not yet contain enough information to be considered real articles")? Sure, there's a lot more to Till's life than the information listed here, but is that additional information relevant to Misplaced Pages? Justin Eiler 18:55, 30 March 2006 (UTC)

Self Published Sources

2 out of 3 sources for the article are self-published from the now deceased author's own site. History edits suggest that a family member was fleshing out the information in the past. If you pull the self-published sources, you are left with an obit as your one source, which would hint at not meeting the notable person requirements. Zeugzeug (talk) 22:35, 31 July 2015 (UTC)

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M.A. in English from Harding?

Harding College, predecessor of Harding University, never offered an M.A. in English. (Based on his dates, he must have gone to Harding College.) Harding University doesn't offer an M.A. in English either. Will delete unless citation proves otherwise. I'm willing to let the B.A. in English stand. Josh a brewer (talk) 19:19, 12 January 2021 (UTC)

Till stated here that he received both B.A. and M.A. from Harding College. I did a brief search but couldn't find anything to verify this, however I don't see any reason why he would make that up. I'm not sure how to go about checking what courses were or were not offered by Harding College at that time but I see that you're an academic so I'm guessing you do know how to check that information. 𝄞: JohnnyB𝄬 13:19, 13 January 2021 (UTC)

I just spoke with a former professor of English from Harding (who worked there for 40+ years). He said Till didn't have an M.A., but he might have had an M.Ed. with emphasis in English. I'll remove the master of arts degree until we find a secondary source that establishes his credentials. (Or we could find a source that establishes that one could get an MA in English from Harding in the 20th century, but that's highly unlikely.) Josh a brewer (talk) 21:30, 16 January 2021 (UTC)

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