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			== kerey/kerait tribe in Kazakhstan ==
	== Rewrite ==
			It should be noted that there are several thousand people of kerey/kerait tribe in Kazakhstan<small class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 12:44, 27 April 2006‎ </small><!-- Template:Unsigned IP -->

			== KIRAT IN Mahabharat , Nepal & India ==
	I just rewrote this article based on the ] I could find. Most of the previous version was ], without any sources. If anyone wants to add some of that again, please make sure that your claims can be ]. --] 20:59, 29 June 2007 (UTC)
			{{archive top\|result=Duplicate discussion. Moved to ].}}
			There is mention of Kirat people & their history in Mahabharat , Nepal & India. Linguistically, culturally they are similar. Did they originate from Indian Tribe & migrated towards mongolia thousands of years back? I think some DNA Analysis will help establish 10000 years old relation of the tribes.

	== Kerait and Kalmyks (Oirad) ==

			"Kirātas (Sanskrit: किरात) are mentioned in early Sanskrit literature as hunter tribes from the Himalayas. They are first mentioned in the Yajurveda (Shukla XXX.16; Krisha III.4,12,1) and in the Atharvaveda (X.4,14), which dates back to 16th century BC. They are often mentioned along with the Cinas "Chinese". A Sanskrit-English Dictionary gives the meaning of 'Kirat' people with the lion's character, or mountain dwellers.
	Why nobody mentioned that Kalmyk Torgud Khans are Kerait? Kalmyk Khans are descents of Wang Khan. It is the same Dynasty which ruled Steppes for centuries. <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 02:33, 7 January 2009 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
			The Sanskrit kavya titled Kiratarjuniya (Of Arjuna and the Kirata) mentions that Arjuna adopted the name, nationality, and guise of a Kirata for a period to learn archery and the use of other arms from Shiva, who was considered as the deity of the Kirata.
			Hindu myth has many incidents where the god Shiva imitates a married Kirati girl who later become Parvati. In Yoga Vasistha 1.15.5, Rama speaks of kirāteneva vāgurā "a trap by Kiratas", so about 10th century BCE, they were thought of as jungle trappers, the ones who dug pits to capture roving deer. The same text speaks of King Suraghu, the head of the Kiratas who is a friend of the Persian King, Parigha. "

			Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/Kirati_people <!-- Template:Unsigned IP --><small class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 21:32, 4 October 2019 (UTC)</small>
	== Kerait and Kharot ==
			: Moving to avoid duplicate discussions. ] (]) 07:13, 5 October 2019 (UTC)
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			== Semi-protected edit request on 19 January 2020 ==
	Can it be that some group at least one tribe of these turko-mongolian tribe was left in central Asia and their descends are today the paashtun kharots/karots??? {{unsigned\|84.59.96.79‎ \|--] 16:20, 21 August 2007 (UTC)}}

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	:For now, those are just speculations, which have no place in Misplaced Pages. Once you can find reliable published sources that present a credible argument to support such a theory, then we'll consider the question. --] 16:20, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
			change turcic to turkic ] (]) 21:14, 19 January 2020 (UTC)

			:{{Done}} –] (] • ]) 22:22, 19 January 2020 (UTC)
	== Turkic origin of Kerait ==
	I doubt in mongolian origin of kerey\kerait tribe. First of all "kerait" is a mongolian adaptation of turkic name "kerey". The -t ending is plural part of the word, same as english -s and turkic -lar\ler.
	The name itself is of turkic origin, probably derived from word "qara" (black). The explanation of such name is that first kereys could have black hair contrary to blonde sary-kipçaks & sary-uysuns, "sary" (yellow, blonde).

			== Removing protection ==
	Kazakhs usually call kereys as "qara-kerey" (black kerey).

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	Kereys could be a part Uyghur people, since one myth says that one uyghur had 8 sons, all of them had black hair and thus they were called kerey\kereyler (turk.) or kereyt (mong.).
			I have been autoconfirmed for many years and thus can remove the semi-protected status of this article. However, I don't think I've ever done this before and believe it's better that a more experienced (in this area) editor has a look. The last edit on this talk page was 4.5 years ago and I didn't see any edit-warring in the article's recent history.
			If the editor who looks at this agrees with me, he/she should also have a look at the ] article which is also semi-protected (and has been for 6 years) ] (]) 11:58, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
			:] '''Not done:''' requests for decreases to the page protection level should be directed to the protecting admin or to ] if the protecting admin is not active or has declined the request.<!-- Template:ESp --> And no, you are not able to remove the semi-protection. Only an admin can do so. Autoconfirmed only gives you access to ''edit'' semi-protected articles, not change their protection status. ] (<i>] • ] • ]</i>) 13:15, 14 August 2024 (UTC)

			== Change proposal ==
	Islamic historian Rashid-Addin wrote that kereys have several clans including Sakhĭyat and Dubout. These two clans were interpretated as ancestors of Sakha\Yakut and Tuvan\Uryankhai peoples.

			Change Turco-Mongol to Mongol Or Turkic ] (]) 09:26, 26 October 2024 (UTC)
	Regards, ] (]) <small>—Preceding ] was added at 20:00, 10 June 2008 (UTC)</small><!--Template:Undated--> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

	:Does your source explicitly say that Sakhiyat and Dubout ''are'' their ancestors for certain? If not, then your changes would mean to sell speculation as fact. Your explanations above look very much like ], which makes your article additions suspect as well. Don't even try to draw conclusions about the origin of names and words if you're not a trained historical linguist, because you'll almost always go wrong. In this case, your arguments prove exactly nothing, because "qara"/"khar" means black in Mongolian as well. --] (]) 04:06, 11 June 2008 (UTC)
	::I can give you a pretty scholarly source saying that Mongols like to adopt foreign names - Turkic and Sanskrit ones in the past, Tibetan ones at present. ] (]) 13:21, 11 June 2008 (UTC)



	You really believed in what Muslim historians said. --] (]) 00:49, 25 November 2008 (UTC)

	== Where on the map? ==

	It's too hard to find Kerait on the map, I can't spot them..--] (]) 22:43, 23 January 2009 (UTC)

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kerey/kerait tribe in Kazakhstan

It should be noted that there are several thousand people of kerey/kerait tribe in Kazakhstan— Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.16.16.26 (talk) 12:44, 27 April 2006‎

KIRAT IN Mahabharat , Nepal & India

Duplicate discussion. Moved to Talk:Kirati people#Keraites in Mongolia.

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

There is mention of Kirat people & their history in Mahabharat , Nepal & India. Linguistically, culturally they are similar. Did they originate from Indian Tribe & migrated towards mongolia thousands of years back? I think some DNA Analysis will help establish 10000 years old relation of the tribes.

"Kirātas (Sanskrit: किरात) are mentioned in early Sanskrit literature as hunter tribes from the Himalayas. They are first mentioned in the Yajurveda (Shukla XXX.16; Krisha III.4,12,1) and in the Atharvaveda (X.4,14), which dates back to 16th century BC. They are often mentioned along with the Cinas "Chinese". A Sanskrit-English Dictionary gives the meaning of 'Kirat' people with the lion's character, or mountain dwellers. The Sanskrit kavya titled Kiratarjuniya (Of Arjuna and the Kirata) mentions that Arjuna adopted the name, nationality, and guise of a Kirata for a period to learn archery and the use of other arms from Shiva, who was considered as the deity of the Kirata. Hindu myth has many incidents where the god Shiva imitates a married Kirati girl who later become Parvati. In Yoga Vasistha 1.15.5, Rama speaks of kirāteneva vāgurā "a trap by Kiratas", so about 10th century BCE, they were thought of as jungle trappers, the ones who dug pits to capture roving deer. The same text speaks of King Suraghu, the head of the Kiratas who is a friend of the Persian King, Parigha. "

Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/Kirati_people — Preceding unsigned comment added by 146.196.34.144 (talk) 21:32, 4 October 2019 (UTC)

Moving to avoid duplicate discussions. Mathglot (talk) 07:13, 5 October 2019 (UTC)

Moved to Talk:Kirati people § Keraites in Mongolia

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change turcic to turkic 37.47.108.105 (talk) 21:14, 19 January 2020 (UTC)

Done –Deacon Vorbis (carbon • videos) 22:22, 19 January 2020 (UTC)

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I have been autoconfirmed for many years and thus can remove the semi-protected status of this article. However, I don't think I've ever done this before and believe it's better that a more experienced (in this area) editor has a look. The last edit on this talk page was 4.5 years ago and I didn't see any edit-warring in the article's recent history. If the editor who looks at this agrees with me, he/she should also have a look at the Mongols article which is also semi-protected (and has been for 6 years) Dutchy45 (talk) 11:58, 14 August 2024 (UTC)

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