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==JimmyWales.Org and JimmyWales.Net==

I edit conflicted with ] who was removing a note which let you know that silliness is occurring at the domains above as trolling - I thought you might like to know, so have popped this bit back - the full post is in the history, but basically someone is squatting on your domain. (ew....) ] (]) 02:25, 2 March 2009 (UTC)
:It's not his domains if he doesn't own them, and the whois shows someone in Austrailia owning them both. Nothing to see here, move along. '''-''' <font size="+1" color="red">&#10032;</font><strong style="letter-spacing:1px;font-family:Verdana">]</strong><font size="+1" color="red">&#10032;</font> <sup><small>]</small></sup> 02:34, 2 March 2009 (UTC)
::Jimmy Wales owns JimmyWales.Com but not those two extensions. They are now directing to Jimmy's Uncyclopedia page. How mortifying! ]&nbsp;<sup>]</sup> 03:06, 2 March 2009 (UTC)
I think we should simply ban those domains. But lets ask Jimbo first. He might be in negotiations with this silly site squatter as we speak. ] (]) 23:30, 9 March 2009 (UTC)
:wiki warrior wayne, eh? - silly site squatter indeed! ] (]) 03:31, 10 March 2009 (UTC)<small>so yeah, I reckon wiki warrior might well be the mischievous soul behind these merry japes ;-)</small>
::How come the HTML link doesn't change when you go to another page?
::It's quite interesting that Jimmy doesn't own these extensions. He should. ''']]] <sup>]</sup>''' 04:08, 10 March 2009 (UTC)

== flagged revisions trial? ==

Hi Jimbo - having been dead busy away from wikipedia for the last few weeks, I thought I'd come straight to the horse's mouth and ask what the current status of the flagged revisions trial is? If anyone could point me in the direction of current discussion, or try and sum up the status quo in a few words, it'd be appreciated. My reading of the various places I've dug around is that nothing happened, and no specific action is yet scheduled? cheers, ] (]) 23:25, 28 February 2009 (UTC)
:I believe there's a summary posted . ] (]) 23:32, 28 February 2009 (UTC)
Sorry to be dense, Carbuncle, but I can't make sense of why you linked to that page. It's about someone being alleged to have reverted a template more than three times. Nothing about flagging. Is there a page where it's being discussed? Here's my view on it:
# "Flagged revisions" seems a non-desctiptive term. What is being flagged up about the revision? Perhaps they should be called "postponed edits" or similar.
# This feature should only be activated for specific articles that have been subject to repeated, persistent vandalism or that are subject to large numbers of edits or views, e.g. the top 0.01%
# It should be possible for any user of a few weeks to authenticate changes, and to request to receive notifications, e.g. by email, that edit attempts have been made, optionally with the diff.
] (]) 11:15, 1 March 2009 (UTC)
The relevant pages seem to be
# ]

:(fixing threads which may have been a bit split up?) - thanks Mr. Jones - just fwiw, I think Delicious was pointing out a recently departed user's views that nothing really seems to be happening on this (it's the 'BLP' bit mentioned in the banner at the top, not the specific warnings or anything, I think). IIRC, Jimbo asked the dev.s to turn the feature on - have they done so, or maybe it's time to ask nicely again, Jimbo? :-) ] (]) 02:25, 2 March 2009 (UTC)
::g'day again :-) - I think I read on the foundation mailing list (in a comment from David Gerard) that you're working on a further proposal which you hope will gain stronger support? - any pointers as to where this might be happening, or any updates as to how it's going? :-) ] (]) 22:16, 3 March 2009 (UTC)

It's dormant. Jimbo hasn't said any thing about it for a while. The ] has had just a few edits the past month. Same with ] ] ]. Misplaced Pages Review is complaining about it, but they're putting more actual effort into deleting some British ]. If want to do something about it, I suggest going through the proposed trials and make something out of it that could get wide acceptance. Shameless plug: ] --] (]) 10:53, 5 March 2009 (UTC)

:I'm shopping a very premature proposal around to a few people, looking for broad consensus. News to come soon.--] (]) 12:52, 5 March 2009 (UTC)
:: Hi, may I ask you to include me into "a few people"? I actually was one of the authors of the ] that was the subject of a large poll sometime ago. I am still very interested in Flagged Revisions and their implementation here, and I think my advice will be usefull. Thanks in advance, ] (]) 20:10, 5 March 2009 (UTC)
:::Likely he is just asking a few trusted users about a very loose outline of a proposal, and the rest of us will hear about it very soon. I'm anxiously awaiting a proposal, along with many others I'm sure, all we can do is wait.--]]] 19:12, 6 March 2009 (UTC)
Hi, Jimbo. I've been working on assessing consensus w.r.t. flagged revisions for some time now, and I finally drafted ]. I think there's a need and support for a system to monitor and better control blps, but in the same time, a strict Flaggedrevs for all of them has no consensus. So, I think we could have consensus for a passive flag, ]. And we also need to be able to fully 'activate' flagged revs on some pages, as a protection measure, that's what I proposed as a variant of ]. Comments are welcome. ] (]) 00:40, 7 March 2009 (UTC)

< - seems like quite a few people are pulling in kinda the same direction, kinda like a cat sleigh perhaps.... Is the 'soon' of your timeframe roughly 'this week', or maybe 'March sometime', Jimbo? ] (]) 22:26, 8 March 2009 (UTC)

== "Live near SF and have an hour to help Misplaced Pages?" ==

There sometimes appears at the top of the page "Live near SF and have an hour to help Misplaced Pages?" but the only link it gives is a javascript link, which is a dead link. I asked on one of the forums and nobody knew what it was, only confirming he javascript link "ethnio.show" was dead for them, too. Perhaps you know? ] (]) 01:41, 7 March 2009 (UTC)

:It could be a ]. I have no idea how to check though. ''']'''<font color="green">]</font> 07:40, 7 March 2009 (UTC)

:It worked for me, but only when opening it in the same tab rather than a new one. It's seeking participants for a usability study for Misplaced Pages. ] ] 10:59, 7 March 2009 (UTC)

::I've never seen it before, myself, and I don't know about it. But probably the Foundation does. :) --] (]) 20:37, 7 March 2009 (UTC)

:: Wub, what URL did it end up at? ] (]) 21:50, 7 March 2009 (UTC)

:::I'll assume it's ? ]] 21:52, 7 March 2009 (UTC)
:::I saw it once. I clicked it and read it, but it hasn't shown up since. It was asking for people to come to downtown San Francisco on a weekend in March to spend an hour being interviewed about Misplaced Pages usage and such. I think it said they'd pay you like $15 or something. You had to sign up and they'd call you to let you know if you were picked to be interviewed. ] (]) 22:42, 8 March 2009 (UTC)
::::Hmmm, costs me more than $15 in gas to drive there and back. I thought it was some kind of social event people were doing. ] (]) 00:25, 9 March 2009 (UTC)
:::::Anyone have a screenshot? ]] 02:23, 9 March 2009 (UTC)

== Jasonr ==

]. Someone has posted this, without much forethought it seems like. Perhaps you can head it off - if this person, who reportedly worked for you and got his admin bit as a result, is no longer associated with Misplaced Pages... Would you remove the bit then yourself? ]] 15:45, 7 March 2009 (UTC)

:Hopefully my removal of his bit will put this to rest.--] (]) 20:36, 7 March 2009 (UTC)

::Jimbo, apologies for the headache that caused, I was trying to start a discussion similar to ]. I didn't expect people to turn it into a vote for actions while I was away. ''']''' <sup>]</sup> 22:18, 7 March 2009 (UTC)
== question ==

what happens when there are multiple reliable 3rd party sources that conflict, but multiple 1st party sources that say one thing. do the editors go with the 1st party source..Example: Johnny A releases a book stating he is a homosexual. "News weekly" denies the book saying Johnny A. isn't a homosexual. "News Report hour' states that Johnny is infact a homosexual. Who does wikipedia beleive?
reply on my talk page. ] (]) 04:24, 8 March 2009 (UTC)
:Hello, you are probably not too familiar with Misplaced Pages. This is something that should be asked at the article's talk page or the ]:) '''<font color="navy" size="3" face="comic sans ms">]</font><font size="3" color="darkorange" face="comic sans ms">]</font>''' 04:31, 8 March 2009 (UTC)
::Agree with ZooFari here. The question is a bit too vague as stated. In general, a book published by a person stating something about their personal life should be considered a reliable source - but there can of course be exceptions and complications. Judgment is always necessary.--] (]) 02:17, 9 March 2009 (UTC)

== Onscene language by WebHampster in Skull and Bones discussion ==

{{resolved|user counselled, but ultimately blocked for trolling}}
Jimbo,

I am having trouble with a user named WebHampster in the Skull and Bones discussion pages. He is hiding my text in a collapse box and told me to F-off. I thought that wikipedia users were required to respect each other and act like gentlemen. Could you please talk to this user.

Thank you,
M
:I'll take a look at this, Jimbo might have other things to do right now. --]] 18:47, 8 March 2009 (UTC)

== Obama issues & flagged revisions ==

You might (or might not) be interested in ] and ]. Just a thought: Right now we have 2 options, either keep reverting the edits or place full protection on the article — either one will attract even more notice from the media (''Now Misplaced Pages reverts all edits'' or ''Now Misplaced Pages has prohibited all editing''). Either way, it's lose-lose. Now, if flagged revisions were in place.... Just thinking out loud. --] (]) 02:48, 9 March 2009 (UTC)
:Or we could fix the article so that mention of notable controversies and criticisms are included. That seems to me to be the appropriate way to improve the encyclopedia based on our policies and guidelines, not to mention common sense. The articles dealing with these issues should also be linked to from that article. ] (]) 20:24, 9 March 2009 (UTC)
::Oh, please. Are you going to post this in every AN/ANI thread and talk page that you can to garner sympathy? You were adding in ] ], indicated , , , and . The addition of equates to ]. I was ''nice'' enough to notify you of the article probation instead of outright blocking for ]; you should take that as advice, that perhaps you should add citations in regards to one of the highest profile ] at Misplaced Pages, instead of trying to disregard every administrator or editor that comes along the way to comment. <small>] &#x007C; ] &#x007C; ]</small> 23:06, 9 March 2009 (UTC)
::::Maybe next time you'll consider adding a citation needed tag to the wild assertion that Republicans criticized Obama's opposition to the surge and that Obama's associations with Rev. Wright, Tony Rezko, and Bill Ayers are controversial. You're not "nice", you're an administrator who uses his tools and position in content disputes against wikipedia guidelines. Clean up your act. ] (]) 00:12, 10 March 2009 (UTC)
===Aaron Klein===
Wondering what we should do about ]. Editing (it appears) as {{userlinks|Jerusalem21}} he first creates his own vanity article and, despite getting caught sockpuppeting (see his talk page), squats on the article for two years to prevent anyone from cleaning it up. Then he engineers a fake scandal to bring disrepute on Misplaced Pages. On February 24, after never editing (from that account) any other article he suddenly makes three rapid-fire edits to the Obama article - two on the crackpot theory that Obama was born in Kenya and one to promote the election year smear involving Bill Ayers that was by consensus too trivial for Obama's main bio page. He publishes an expose about Misplaced Pages in his right wing site,] without admitting that he is actually reporting on the ] he perpetrated to get himself blocked. The story gets mainstream coverage for a while until the hoax is discovered but by that time the story has hit the conservative blogosphere and editors are rushing from all over to as ChildofMidnight puts it above "fix the article" (i.e. edit war and badmouth the supposed "libtards" and censors who rule Misplaced Pages). That results in full indefinite protection for the article and a state of siege on its talk page.


== Happy New Year to Misplaced Pages's Founder! ==
Whatever Klein is doing here, it is clearly not to build an encyclopedia. He has sabotaged the project to create a fake scandal so he can cover it to further a political agenda. Now his article is nominated for deletion (see ]). I'm thinking we should root out his accounts and not let him edit here unless he shows he wants to use accounts to write articles. ] (]) 18:58, 10 March 2009 (UTC)


Happy New Year Jimbo Wales! Wish you luck in 2025! ] (]) 03:13, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
:The inability of new and experienced editors to balance the ] article with mention of notable criticism and controversy is troubling and embarassing for Misplaced Pages. I would have thought that we'd work to address the problem. To find that instead we've locked the page down and now the same editors guarding that page have launched a retaliatory nomination of this journalist's article seems ill-considered at best. Even if a case can be made that he isn't notable and doesn't meet the inclusion criteria, the timing stinks. The factual story that the Obama article is being aggresively censored and doesn't meet our own guidelines and standards for balance, and that the article is in stark contrast to the articles on other politicians who hold similar offices, certainly seems legitimate to me. I'm not surprised that other more mainstream media have picked up on it. It's certainly true that efforts to add content according to guidelines for notability are immediately reverted and the editors in question harassed. If only the same attention was paid to reigning in POV warriors and bias that was paid to Science Apologist's spelling corrections, Misplaced Pages would be a lot better off. ] (]) 19:36, 10 March 2009 (UTC)
::Creating fake accounts to sabotage a website, then write about it as if it happened to someone else, is not considered "legitimate" or a "factual story" in most journalistic circles. The Obama article, a FA, is just fine, and represents long-term consensus by many dozens of hardworking editors. ChildofMidnight, it should be pointed out, seems to have drunk the kool-aid about liberal censors controlling Misplaced Pages, and as the diffs show is one of those who jumped in and began edit warring the Obama article just before it got protected. Perhaps it is not "POV warriors" who are "guarding that page" but hardworking volunteers who have created and maintained a featured article. ] (]) 19:45, 10 March 2009 (UTC)
:::Creating fake accounts is an administrative issue. Reporting on how Misplaced Pages operates hardly amounts to sabotage. I'm interested in your explanation of why a biography on Misplaced Pages since March of 2006 with numberous edits by various editors is now suddenly up for deletion by the editors "defending" the Barack Obama article? And if you're embarassed by the bias and censoring that goes on, by all means let's help fix it. Or perhaps you'd vare to explain why notable criticisms and controversies are omitted from the article? Alternatively we can block the editor who demonstrated these problems and will no doubt expose our failure to respond appropriately. This will only serve to add to the abundant evidence of bias and censorship. But it won't be him sabotaging Misplaced Pages, it will be the poor decision making of those handling the situation and controlling the Obama article. ] (]) 19:55, 10 March 2009 (UTC)


==]==
== Blinky Jimmy ==
Happy New Year Jimbo!!! I hope all is well with you and your team.


Could you or your page watchers help me with ]? The draft has been declined and tagged up. It was then deleted years ago. I had it restored today after I came across one of his photos. I think he and his photography are fascinating for capturing aspects of New Zealand's transportation and industrial history. His work is in museum and library collections. At least one of his photographs has been used in a book. He photographed Maori sites.
Um, Jimbo is blinking at me. Does anyone else find this to be, oh I don't know... weird? I figured I was just tired when I first thought I saw his picture blink, but then I definitely saw Jimbo blink at me! I then realized his picture is a .gif image. Maybe a still frame would be more, uh, not off-putting? Am I alone in my opinion? -] (]) 10:27, 9 March 2009 (UTC)


:Yeah, I kind of don't like it myself. It was sweet of someone to make it, and when I first heard about it, I looked at it, and I thought, hmmm, that's cute but creepy. But it was so nice for someone to spend the time to make it that I just let it go. But maybe it's tired now.--] (]) 21:50, 9 March 2009 (UTC) I'm sorry I haven't been able to work the draft up enough to get it admitted to mainspace. It does make me wonder about what we do and don't include, our notability criteria, Articles for Creation (AfC) process, and collaborative ethos. Thanks so much for any help or guidance you can offer! Have a great 2025 and beyond. Thanks again. ] (]) 17:57, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
:If Godber is not ], which is what the draft reviewers say, then Wikipedians can't fix that. ] (]) 09:37, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
::] is he "notable" and should we have an entry on him? ] (]) 17:26, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
:::I dunno, but ] wrote that the draft did not show significant coverage about the subject in published, reliable, secondary sources that are independent of the subject at that point. ] (]) 19:37, 7 January 2025 (UTC)


== Just wanted to say ==
:I dunno, I didn't even notice until I read this. On looking at it it didn't creep me out. Seems to make the page a little bit more dynamic. Gives the impression of presence. In fact, I think it'd be really cool if someone decided to go all Harry Potter on it and made it do many different actions.] (]) 21:56, 9 March 2009 (UTC)


You have created something valuable to everyone on the Internet. I'm sure you get this a lot, but thank you. <br>It may sound weird, but Misplaced Pages has helped me through some tough times. We can never thank you enough for this sometimes infighting, sometimes peaceful, sometimes divided, but always united community You are the backbone of the <s>cabal of editors</s> <b>thriving community</b> that is Misplaced Pages.
::What do you think of replacing it with ]? More up-to-date and non-blinky. ]] 21:58, 9 March 2009 (UTC)
I wish I could give you a BarnMilkyWay but no one's come up with that, apparently. (]) &#124; (PS: Have a good day) 00:49, 6 January 2025 (UTC)


== ==
: Definitely in the "]". ] (]) 08:33, 10 March 2009 (UTC)


For the interested. ] (]) 10:58, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
::I like ].
::By the way, sorry Jimmy, uh, I mean Mr. Wales, for talking about you like you weren't here. I just wasn't expecting the Misplaced Pages founder himself to respond to little ol' me. ;-) -] (]) 10:24, 10 March 2009 (UTC)
:::Mr. Wales is my father. :) --] (]) 15:48, 10 March 2009 (UTC)


:Summary: {{tq|This document intends to show the problematic situation in Hebrew Misplaced Pages (hewiki), and provide evidence that it has been overtaken by a group of mostly religious and nationalist editors, who prevent others from achieving higher permissions while promoting their own allies.}} –] <small>(])</small> 22:38, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
== Japanese Misplaced Pages ==
Hello,Jimbo. I'm worry that I have to report that Japanese Wikipdians are POV about ] articles. They say trinity is the main doctrine of Christianity and
the religion that doesn't support that is non-Christianity or heresy without no explainations. But I think 'heresy' is ], and I deleted this words. Then Japanese administrators decided it trolls without no explainations, and they blocked my ID. What do you think of this? ] (]) 01:10, 10 March 2009 (UTC)


== Happy new year ==
:I am unable to read Japanese, despite a year of study, and so I'm unable to help directly. I think that, in my experience, admins in Japanese wikipedia do not really care about such ideological matters - the block was likely for behavioral reasons. I have no opinion about the content dispute, but recommend the use of reliable sources.--] (]) 02:40, 10 March 2009 (UTC)


Good days, Jimbo. I'd like to say that Chinese Misplaced Pages is introducing ARBCOM System currently, since Arbcom on this project, and in fact all the project is originated from the idea of yours, do you have any opinion for that? Any hints, advice or suggestions? ] 15:43, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
:If you have a grievance such as this, then wherever you bring it up (and this probably isn't the best place), it would be a help if you could provide "diffs". Look in 歴史 for the edits, click 選択した版同士を比較, and save the URL of what you see. -- ] (]) 04:15, 10 March 2009 (UTC)

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    Happy New Year to Misplaced Pages's Founder!

    Happy New Year Jimbo Wales! Wish you luck in 2025! Gooners Fan in North London (talk) 03:13, 1 January 2025 (UTC)

    Albert Percy Godber

    Happy New Year Jimbo!!! I hope all is well with you and your team.

    Could you or your page watchers help me with Draft:Albert Percy Godber? The draft has been declined and tagged up. It was then deleted years ago. I had it restored today after I came across one of his photos. I think he and his photography are fascinating for capturing aspects of New Zealand's transportation and industrial history. His work is in museum and library collections. At least one of his photographs has been used in a book. He photographed Maori sites.

    I'm sorry I haven't been able to work the draft up enough to get it admitted to mainspace. It does make me wonder about what we do and don't include, our notability criteria, Articles for Creation (AfC) process, and collaborative ethos. Thanks so much for any help or guidance you can offer! Have a great 2025 and beyond. Thanks again. FloridaArmy (talk) 17:57, 4 January 2025 (UTC)

    If Godber is not WP:NOTABLE, which is what the draft reviewers say, then Wikipedians can't fix that. Polygnotus (talk) 09:37, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
    user:Polygnotus is he "notable" and should we have an entry on him? FloridaArmy (talk) 17:26, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
    I dunno, but User:Sulfurboy wrote that the draft did not show significant coverage about the subject in published, reliable, secondary sources that are independent of the subject at that point. Polygnotus (talk) 19:37, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

    Just wanted to say

    You have created something valuable to everyone on the Internet. I'm sure you get this a lot, but thank you.
    It may sound weird, but Misplaced Pages has helped me through some tough times. We can never thank you enough for this sometimes infighting, sometimes peaceful, sometimes divided, but always united community You are the backbone of the cabal of editors thriving community that is Misplaced Pages. I wish I could give you a BarnMilkyWay but no one's come up with that, apparently. (3OpenEyes's talk page. Say hi!) | (PS: Have a good day) 00:49, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

    Requests for comment/Severe Problems in hewiki

    For the interested. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 10:58, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

    Summary: This document intends to show the problematic situation in Hebrew Misplaced Pages (hewiki), and provide evidence that it has been overtaken by a group of mostly religious and nationalist editors, who prevent others from achieving higher permissions while promoting their own allies. –Novem Linguae (talk) 22:38, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

    Happy new year

    Good days, Jimbo. I'd like to say that Chinese Misplaced Pages is introducing ARBCOM System currently, since Arbcom on this project, and in fact all the project is originated from the idea of yours, do you have any opinion for that? Any hints, advice or suggestions? -Lemonaka 15:43, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

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