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| Hello Stevewunder. I agree with you - the Kundera´s article is rather a mess of uncited and chaotic POV informations. However, it´s important to find and add appropriate facts with ''citations''. We can´t develop here own essays. Feel free to edit, but always with citation and with explanation in the edit summary. If you delete something without explanation, it may be considered as vandalism. That´s why was your edit reverted immediatelly. I´ll try to help you (with my limited knowledge of English) to find sources and references. The current confusional version of the article is a shame for wikipedia in my opinion. Moreover, with wrong image... Have a nice day --] (]) 10:03, 24 January 2009 (UTC) | Hello Stevewunder. I agree with you - the Kundera´s article is rather a mess of uncited and chaotic POV informations. However, it´s important to find and add appropriate facts with ''citations''. We can´t develop here own essays. Feel free to edit, but always with citation and with explanation in the edit summary. If you delete something without explanation, it may be considered as vandalism. That´s why was your edit reverted immediatelly. I´ll try to help you (with my limited knowledge of English) to find sources and references. The current confusional version of the article is a shame for wikipedia in my opinion. Moreover, with wrong image... Have a nice day --] (]) 10:03, 24 January 2009 (UTC) | ||
| == February 2009 == | |||
| ] Please refrain from making unconstructive edits to Misplaced Pages{{#if:Ayn Rand|, as you did to ]}}. Your edits appear to constitute ] and have been ]. If you would like to experiment, please use the ]. {{#if:|{{{2}}}|Thank you.}}<!-- Template:uw-vandalism2 --> ''See ].'' ] (]) 03:16, 2 February 2009 (UTC) | |||
| == Ayn Rand arbitration evidence == | |||
| Please make note of the message posted ] regarding the need for supporting evidence. This is a general courtesy note being left for all editors who have submitted evidence in the case. Be well, --] (]) 07:10, 2 February 2009 (UTC) | |||
| ==Warning Vandalism== | |||
| ] Please stop your disruptive editing. If you continue to ] Misplaced Pages, {{#if:|as you did at ],}} you will be ] from editing. {{#if:|{{{2}}}|}}<!-- Template:uw-vandalism3 --> | |||
| You have repeatedly vandalized the Ayn Rand article: . Further bad faith edits will lead to a referral to admin requesting that you be blocked from editting. <strong><span style="color: rgb(0, 72, 55); font-weight: bold; font-family: times cy;">Kj<span style="color: rgb(255, 0, 0);">a</span>er</span></strong> (]) 03:57, 6 February 2009 (UTC) | |||
| ] Please stop. If you continue to add ] content{{#if:Talk:Ayn_Rand|, as you did to ]}}, you will be ] from editing Misplaced Pages. {{#if:|{{{2}}}|}}<!-- Template:uw-defamatory3 --> ''Please note, Misplaced Pages works on consensus. If consensus does not accept certain edits, that does not provide an opportunity to attack others. You should be aware that topics surrounding Ayn Rand are currently being investigated by the Arbitration Committee.'' (]<span style="border:1px solid black;">''' Bwilkins / BMW '''</span>]) 10:30, 6 February 2009 (UTC) | |||
| Hi, I am hoping that you can tone down some of your edits while we are involved in the ArbCom on Ayn Rand. Putting the business about Nazi's and the 'Yawn' and 'bored' stuff into the lead is easily mistaken for vandalism (yet I don't think that is what you intended). In order to get a good article, our best chance is to not kick off an edit war. Could I ask you take out that 'yawn' and 'bored' stuff? --] (]) 01:56, 12 February 2009 (UTC) | |||
| == Ayn Rand arbitration == | |||
| This is a courtesy note to all editors who have submitted evidence. Some contributions to the ] have been moved to the ], per the ]. General comments, observations, analysis and so forth should be posted to the evidence talk page and workshop pages. Main evidence page contributions need to be supported by linked evidence. Material moved to, or posted on, the arbitration case talk pages will still be noted and taken into account by the arbitrators. | |||
| Some portions of evidence moved to the talk page may be appropriate for the main evidence page. In the process of moving material, keeping some material on the main evidence page would have required rewriting the evidence, taking bits clumsily out of context, or otherwise deeply affecting the presentation. Editors should feel free to rewrite and reintroduce such evidence (with supporting links) to the evidence page. | |||
| Some submissions remaining on the evidence page still require further supporting evidence. For example, claims about broader pattern of behavior need to be supported by comparable evidence. A paucity of diffs, links only showing some mild infractions, or otherwise weak evidence may result in your assertions being granted much less weight. | |||
| I encourage all parties to finalize their evidence and focus on the workshop over the next few days as the case moves towards resolution. If you have any comments, questions or concerns, please do not hesitate to contact me. ] (]) 16:23, 10 February 2009 (UTC) | |||
| ] The <span class="plainlinks"></span> you made to the page ] constitutes ], and has been reverted. Please do not continue to make unconstructive edits to pages; use the ] for testing. Thank you. <!-- Template:uw-huggle2 --> ] (]) 02:20, 12 February 2009 (UTC) | |||
| I've made a note of your recent contributions at ]. ] (]) 02:37, 12 February 2009 (UTC) | |||
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| :Those are some very interesting tags you are employing. Boy Wunder??? ] (]) 03:45, 16 February 2009 (UTC) | |||
| ::I appreciate your sense of humor. I think it's impossible to remain sane on Misplaced Pages without one. I hope you'll find a balance between outraged humor and the guidelines that have to be followed. ] (]) 02:08, 17 February 2009 (UTC) | |||
| :::No, I think I'll just break the rules till they ban me forever. Good discussion points get ignored here. Bad edits don't. Cheers! ] (]) 02:12, 17 February 2009 (UTC) | |||
| == Blocked == | == Blocked == | ||
| Following ], you are currently banned from editing ], its talk page, articles related to Ayn Rand and their talk pages. | |||
| <div style="clear: both"></div>]'''You have been {{#if:24 hours||temporarily}} ] from editing Misplaced Pages {{#if:24 hours|for a period of 24 hours}} as a result of your {{#if:Ayn Rand|disruptive edits to ]|disruptive edits}}.''' You are free to make constructive edits after the block has expired, but please note that ] (including page blanking or addition of ]), ], deliberate misinformation, privacy violations, ]; and repeated, blatant violations of our policies concerning ] and ] will not be tolerated.<!-- Template:Test5 --> ]<sup><small><font color="DarkGreen">]</font></small></sup> 03:05, 12 February 2009 (UTC) | |||
| ] Please refrain from making unconstructive edits to Misplaced Pages{{#if:Ayn Rand|, as you did to ]}}. Your edits appear to constitute ] and have been ]. If you would like to experiment, please use the ]. {{#if:|{{{2}}}|Thank you.}}<!-- Template:uw-vandalism2 --> ''See ].'' ] (]) 01:11, 17 February 2009 (UTC) | |||
| ] Please do not vandalize pages, as you did with <span class="plainlinks"></span> to ]. If you continue to do so, you will be blocked from editing. <!-- Template:uw-huggle3 --> <B><font color="red">SparksBoy (Counter Vandalism)</font></B>(]) 01:19, 17 February 2009 (UTC) | |||
| ] '''This is your last warning'''. You will be blocked from editing the next time you vandalize a page, as you did with <span class="plainlinks"></span> to ]. <!-- Template:uw-huggle4 --> <B><font color="red">SparksBoy (Counter Vandalism)</font></B>(]) 01:30, 17 February 2009 (UTC) | |||
| I suspect this is not my last warning. ] (]) 02:18, 17 February 2009 (UTC) | |||
| <div class="user-block"> ] {{#if:|You have been ''']''' from editing for a period of '''time'''|You have been '''temporarily ]''' from editing}} in accordance with ] for {{#if:|'''reason'''|]}}. Once the block has expired, you are welcome to ]. If you believe this block is unjustified, you may ] by adding the text <!-- Copy the text as it appears on your page, not as it appears in this edit area. Do not include the "tlx" argument. -->{{tlx|unblock|Your reason here}} below, but you should read our ] first. {{#if:<span style="font-family: cursive">]</span> 04:31, 23 February 2009 (UTC)|<span style="font-family: cursive">]</span> 04:31, 23 February 2009 (UTC)}}</div><!-- Template:uw-block1 --> <br clear="both" /> | |||
| == ArbCom Sanctions == | |||
| I think the biggest reason that you're getting a harsh sanction is because of this statement that you made: "No, I think I'll just break the rules till they ban me forever. Good discussion points get ignored here. Bad edits don't." My understanding is that this was hyperbole on your part which is why I'm standing up for you in the discussion, but you might want to explain this statement to ArbCom and apologize for vandalizing articles. Keep in mind that the other editors who edit-warred genuinely believed that their edits were best for the article while you were edit-warring on edits that you knew did not improve the article. That's the difference between edit warring and vandalism; neither is acceptable but vandalism is generally worse than edit warring. ] (]) 04:34, 4 March 2009 (UTC) | |||
| :I saw your post on the ArbCom talk page. I would again encourage you to apologize for the vandalism and clarify that you do not intend to cause further disruption because that's the real reason why ArbCom's lowering the ban hammer on you, not your dispute with Snowded. If you'd like, I could also be your mentor since it looks like I'll be taking a break from the Rand article anyway. ] (]) 06:37, 7 March 2009 (UTC) | |||
| ::Idag, I appreciate your help and encouragement. I do apologize and do not intend further disruption. I don't claim I will always be a Saint, or never ruffle anyone's feathers, but I am sincere in hoping my presence here will improve articles. If you can help mentor me, I am all for it. Best regards, ] (]) 07:07, 7 March 2009 (UTC) | |||
| :::You've been banned from the Ayn Rand article. I don't recommend going back there as you will be banned from Misplaced Pages if you do. There's plenty of other articles to edit, try them out. ] (]) 03:52, 21 March 2009 (UTC) | |||
| == Other Articles == | |||
| I noticed that a lot of your edits were focused on the ] article. This article (and the editors who edit it) aren't really reflective of the general Misplaced Pages community. Try browsing some other articles in subjects that you're interested in that aren't as controversial and you'll find that they're fun to edit and that the editors there are much more welcoming and willing to engage in a constructive discussion. Once you feel that an article you're working on has become really good, you can nominate it to be a ] or even a ]. Its always a pretty cool feeling when an article that you've worked on shows up on the front page of Misplaced Pages. | |||
| As far as behavior, ] is one of the cardinal sins and should be avoided at all costs. Some of your mainspace edits were amusing, but if you keep doing edits like that, you'll simply get a permanent ban, so its best to just avoid them. In addition, if you find that an editor is really getting under your skin, its best to either calmly reason with them or, if that fails, resort to the ] process. If you feel like you're losing your cool, take a Wikibreak or go edit another article until you cool down (I've had to do that quite a few times to avoid yelling at some of the editors at the ] article). Anyways, I hope this long rant was helpful and let me know if you have any questions. | |||
| Take care, | |||
| ] (]) 10:24, 7 March 2009 (UTC) | |||
| :I would also recommend striking out the recent comments you made to Snowded on the ArbCom talk page, as they aren't particularly civil. Just ignore the guy if he's getting under your skin. ] (]) 11:17, 7 March 2009 (UTC) | |||
| :I agree with Idag Steve. There are lots of other feuds you can involve yourself in, and I suggest you might actually enjoy working on articles that aren't stuck in endless bickering. It's rather pleasant to work with people who want to collaborate and add sources, pictures and content while editing to improve clarity. You're welcome on any article I'm working or feuding on and I appreciate your sense of humor. ] (]) 04:30, 21 March 2009 (UTC) | |||
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| In the event that any user mentioned by name in this decision engages in further disruptive editing on ] or any related article or page (one year from the date of this decision or one year from the expiration of any topic ban applied to the user in this decision, whichever is later), the user may be banned from that page or from the entire topic of Ayn Rand for an appropriate length of time by any uninvolved administrator or have any other remedy reasonably tailored to the circumstances imposed, such as a revert limitation. Similarly, an uninvolved administrator may impose a topic ban, revert limitation, or other appropriate sanction against any other editor who edits ] or related articles or pages disruptively, provided that a warning has first been given with a link to this decision. | |||
| You were informed of this arbitration decision . | |||
| Both experienced and new editors on articles related to ] are cautioned that this topic has previously been the subject of disruptive editing by both admirers and critics of Rand's writings and philosophy. Editors are reminded that when working on highly contentious topics like this one, it is all the more important that all editors adhere to fundamental Misplaced Pages policies. They are encouraged to make use of the ], including mediation assistance from ] or the ], in connection with any ongoing disputes or when serious disputes arise that cannot be resolved through the ordinary editing process. | |||
| Following a number of edits on 21-22 March in violation of your ban, the ban was explained to you a second time . | |||
| You have since made 4 edits to {{lat|Ayn Rand}}: , , and | |||
| ''For the Arbitration Committee,'' | |||
| ] 03:35, 15 March 2009 (UTC) | |||
| Given the aforementioned explanations of your ban and the content of the edits themselves, it is no longer plausible that this is the result of a misunderstanding. | |||
| == Edits to Ayn Rand talk page == | |||
| Furthermore, the content of edits appears to have the intent of disrupting the Talk page. | |||
| : You are edit barred Steve, that means you are not meant to edit here and these two edits thus put you in breech of the Arbcom ruling which could lead to additional sanctions if it was reported (I don't plan to). I suggest you delete both comments with a note of apology or similar. --] (]) 07:01, 21 March 2009 (UTC) | |||
| For the above reasons I have blocked your account from editing Misplaced Pages for a period of 1 week. | |||
| Steve, I've removed your comments from the page, as the ruling was quite clear; you are forbidden from editing there. It's nothing personal, but i'm trying to keep discussion focused on improvements that can be made to the article, and the interpersonal back-and-forth doesn't help. Regards, <font color="404040">]</font> 07:56, 22 March 2009 (UTC) | |||
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| ::Yes, I understand now that it works that way. My first post was really just a test to see what it would tell me if I was blocked on that page, to see what information I might be given. I expected the post not to work. Now I understand the system. ] (]) 17:04, 23 March 2009 (UTC) | |||
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:Stevie Stevie Stevie. Leave Ayn Rand and the Love Monkey alone. ] (]) 05:30, 25 March 2009 (UTC) | ||
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Hello Stevewunder. I agree with you - the Kundera´s article is rather a mess of uncited and chaotic POV informations. However, it´s important to find and add appropriate facts with citations. We can´t develop here own essays. Feel free to edit, but always with citation and with explanation in the edit summary. If you delete something without explanation, it may be considered as vandalism. That´s why was your edit reverted immediatelly. I´ll try to help you (with my limited knowledge of English) to find sources and references. The current confusional version of the article is a shame for wikipedia in my opinion. Moreover, with wrong image... Have a nice day --Vejvančický (talk) 10:03, 24 January 2009 (UTC)
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Following Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/Ayn Rand, you are currently banned from editing Ayn Rand, its talk page, articles related to Ayn Rand and their talk pages.
You were informed of this arbitration decision here. Following a number of edits on 21-22 March in violation of your ban, the ban was explained to you a second time here.
You have since made 4 edits to Talk:Ayn Rand (edit | article | history | links | watch | logs): , , and
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- Stevie Stevie Stevie. Leave Ayn Rand and the Love Monkey alone. ChildofMidnight (talk) 05:30, 25 March 2009 (UTC)