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| This is not the place to complain about ]. Unless you have learned to write for the enemy...] (]) 10:34, 11 October 2008 (UTC) | |||
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| |style="vertical-align: middle; border-top: 1px solid gray;" |For your brave attempts to uphold scholarly standards in the Israel/Palestine-area of WP. Take care, ] (]) 16:41, 1 April 2009 (UTC) | |||
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| ==JIDF== | |||
| Thank you JIDF for giving recognition of my work and showing why it is essential to continue editing. The list indicates by its title (List of Heavily Biased Anti-Israel Misplaced Pages Editors **UPDATED**) that JIDF is not looking for anti-Semitism but only trying to impose a strong pro-Israeli POV...] (]) 13:02, 14 October 2008 (UTC) | |||
| Thanks Huldra...] (]) 20:01, 1 April 2009 (UTC) | |||
| ::If you're ''spying'' on them, Ashley ol'chum, drop me a link from time to time. I just can't stir myself up to overcome a natural laziness in following that site. It bores me stiff, . . .not in the erotic sense.] (]) 19:56, 15 October 2008 (UTC) | |||
| :::] (]) 07:34, 16 October 2008 (UTC) | |||
| PS...If you need book references or coords leave a note here or on your talk pages....because I have plenty of time for reading...] (]) 20:10, 1 April 2009 (UTC) | |||
| *ok, I will. But Ashley dear; when will you learn that to edit in the I/P area on WP means that you MUST be able to wade through utter garbage without getting upset...or, if that is not possible, then at least not let "some" people see that you care....´cause then they go for the jugular. That´s the rules of the game (and game it is). I certainly hope to see you around before a year is gone...I wish you would keep to the pre-1948 stuff for a while: it is painfully lacking, and, unlike the newer stuff, it actually demands that you read books (-->iow: most POV-pushers won´t bother:) ). I´m reading Thomas Philipp: "" at the moment, Extremely interesting! And I have just ordered Cohen, Amnon: "Population & Revenue in the Towns of Palestine in the Sixteenth Century" and Andrew Petersen "The Towns of Palestine Under Muslim Rule: Ad 600-1600". The history-section of the older major towns in Palestine/Israel are hopeless: we really should spend more time fixing that.... And I will, eventually, ] (]) 20:38, 1 April 2009 (UTC) | |||
| I too have come across said book in my reading, Good for Napoleon, British gaining interest in Palestine....as you say interesting book...I keep forgetting that wiki consensus does not mean the consensus of what Historians have established as fact...] (]) 07:54, 2 April 2009 (UTC) | |||
| ::What profile? ] (]) 19:36, 17 October 2008 (UTC) | |||
| ==FYI == | |||
| JIDF links to Glen Reinsford run site | |||
| I've significantly expanded an article you created, ], and nominated it for a DYK. ] (]) 22:07, 3 April 2009 (UTC) | |||
| I couldn't understand how some pro-Israeli nana brain rubbed a red link to Eisenberg out saying that Eisenberg wasn't important enough for his own article. It was like wow somebody obviously knows very little about the I/P conflict.....] (]) 04:10, 4 April 2009 (UTC) | |||
| == Re things not mentioned, hebron == | |||
| == Problem about the general pro-Israeli racist tendencies in calling all non-Jews from Palestine Arabs... == | |||
| St.Luke's hospital there was founded originally as part of a Scottish mission to convert both Jews and Mohammedans, and was run from 1893 onwards by a quixotic figure, for some decades. His life, and apparently a lot of detail about Hebron, can be found in an otherwise rare book that however should be accessible if the Brits have an inter-library loan service. I'm referring to | |||
| William Ewing, ''Paterson of Hebron, "the Hakim": Missionary Life in the Mountain of Judah,'' | |||
| J. Clarke, 1930. I've a fair bit of data on Paterson, but only from secondary sources like Michael Marten's ''Attempting to Bring the Gospel Home: Scottish Missions to Palestine, 1839-1917,'' I.B.Tauris, 2006 pp.99-115 (two photos). Missionary Scottish Pat(t)ersons get around: there was one in my favourite country, Tibet. ] (]) 14:27, 21 October 2008 (UTC) | |||
| As the Ottomans called the place Palestine (Arz-i Filistin) based on the revolt being carried out by the people of the area with a distinct regional quality, it does seem strange that Jac et al insist on the term Arab being applied. | |||
| == Re books == | |||
| Arz-i Filistin | |||
| Don't want to burden you with my own interest, A. Just correcting a wee mispelling on your bibliopage. But have you ever read anything by ]? I think he is one of the greatest historians, ranking up there with Gibbon, Thucydides, Tacitus, etc. If you ever find a copy of his 'Destruction of the European Jews', first or the bigger expanded editions, it's worth buying, and reading very slowly. A lot of detail, but it is the quality and temper of the analytic mind one admires, and can learn much from. ] (]) 10:35, 27 October 2008 (UTC) | |||
| ::Ever dependable. Fanks, guv. Surprised Sheikh Jarrah =French Hill, the former often mentioned in municipal reports, the laterr wiki page no clear mention of it. Still, for starters. . .] (]) 16:58, 27 October 2008 (UTC) | |||
| :::] looks like it might help. Post a note there? ] (]) 18:47, 27 October 2008 (UTC) | |||
| Samih K. Farsoun, Christina E. Zacharia (1997) Palestine and the Palestinians Westview Press, {{ISBN|0813303400}} p 55 | |||
| (sub district) Jerusalem into an independent unit directly linked to Istanbul and referred to the historic territory (including the northern districts of Nablus, ‘Akka, and Galilee) as Arz-i Filistin reflected Palestine’s emergence as a single entity. | |||
| <blockquote> | |||
| Various authors have described how Ottoman administrate boundaries, and European ambitions and inspirations in Palestine helped to shape the local inhabitants’ conception of the country. From 1874 onwards, the sanjaq of Jerusalem, including the districts of Jerusalem, Bethlehem, Hebron, Beersheeba, Gaza and Jaffa, was administered independently from any other Ottoman province, and as such was under the direct authority of Istanbul. In earlier times Jerusalem had briefly been the capital of a larger province with the name “Filistin,” which encompassed all of what is now Palestine, including Nablus, Haifa and the Galilee.</blockquote>James P. Jankowski, I. Gershoni (1997) Rethinking nationalism in the Arab Middle East Columbia University Press, {{ISBN|0231106955}} p 174 | |||
| On Najib ‘Azuri writing on the need to expand the sanjak of Jerusalem and raising it to a ''Vilayet''; | |||
| <blockquote>He had been sentenced to death for treason in absentia after his flight to France, where in 1905 he wrote the prophetic book reveil de la Nation Arabe, which predicted a momentous conflict between Zionism and Arab nationalism. His opposition to Zionism was undoubtedly one of the bases for his argument that Palestine should be a separate province, but it was clearly predicated on the assumption that there was such a thing as a “Land of Palestine”, an idea that must have been shared by readers of ''Sabah'' and ''Thamarat al-Funun''. | |||
| </blockquote> James P. Jankowski, I. Gershoni (1997) Rethinking nationalism in the Arab Middle East Columbia University Press, {{ISBN|0231106955}} p 174 | |||
| Arz-i Filistin | |||
| ==Burqin== | |||
| • During the 19th century, the "Ottoman Government employed the term Arz-i Filistin (the 'Land of Palestine') in official correspondence, meaning for all intents and purposes the area to the west of the River Jordan which became 'Palestine' under the British in 1922". Neville J. Mandel (1976) The Arabs and Zionism Before World War I University of California Press, {{ISBN|0520024664}} p xx | |||
| Punishing a Nation: Human Rights Violations During the Palestinian Uprising, December 1987-December 1988 : a Report By Law in the Service of Man (Organization : Rām Allāh), Al Haq Staff Law In The Service Of Man Published by South End Press, 1990 ISBN 0896083780 p256 | |||
| • Amongst the educated Arab public, Filastin was a common concept, referring either to the whole of Palestine or to the Jerusalem sanjaq alone, or just to the area around Ramle, referring to fatwas by two Hanafite Syrian jurists. Porath, Yehoshua, (1974) "The Emergence of the Palestinian-Arab National Movement 1918-1929", London, {{ISBN|0714629391}} pp. 8-9 | |||
| ::Quite right, obvious to the well-read, but technically you've just shot your erudition in the foot by needlessly throwing around adjectives, and singling out a person.I don't know why you feel it necessary to ruin your corrections like this, since no one will cite the sources and many will jump at this to take you to Arbitration. | |||
| ::What Jaakobou's personal views in real life may be, or yours or mine, are immaterial to what interests the encyclopedia, except when they intrude in a provocative way to disturb the equanimity of composition. | |||
| ::In this particular case, he, like many, is following a cliché in a vein of Zionist polemical literature which aimed to deny a regional or subregional identity to the inchoate Palestinians in order, precisely at the same time, to justify Zionist claims to a peculiar ethnic Jewish attachment to the land. One had to play down any evidence for a peculiar national identity in Palestinians, because its existence would only undermine the claim that this was an empty land, with scattered groups not particularly attached to anywhere, who could be shifted out, or shunted aside for a nation, the Jewish people in diaspora, who had prior claims to it. The emphasis on the residents as Arabs (which the majority of Palestinians were not) made their identity so generic, their real roots could be implied as lying elsewhere. So, you should have focused on the bias, not the person prey to its clichés. I suggest you strike 'racist'. And return to mulling the point arbitrators want clarified. You're becoming one of the reasons why I want out: one cannot find enough people willing to forego, as I forgo, their intense convictions (mine are very close to Arnold Toynbee's, who on this was more radical than either of us, but better informed than both) and their personal intuitions on the meta-picture, in order to fix this shambles.] (]) 06:44, 4 April 2009 (UTC) | |||
| Because it was Jaakobou who insisted on calling all non-Jews from Palestine Arabs and insisted on changing the title of an article to follow his views...But have now changed the title from particular to generic...] (]) 07:05, 4 April 2009 (UTC) | |||
| ==Misnamed Centre for Human Dignity== | |||
| ::As a general principle in life, it's useful to think of ourselves as a grab-bag of clichés, poured into our ears from cradletime onwards, apart from the sweet voices. Poets don't speak or think like us because their inner lives are spent capturing the sweet voices, even when they do so to address the rough, and even violent clichés. So, we hoi polloi, go round, learning, we think as often as not, that we are expressing 'our selves' when we are only sounding boards of the dissonant noises from the wide beyond of time, our childhood's and that of our ancestors and tradition. If chance encounters, usually people of weird nature or accrued and acquired discernment, but books also, come our way and begin to whisper in our ears an antiphony, then we begin to play off the intelligent voice they provide us with against the raspy vernacular of prejudice that is otherwise our deepest selfhood. The prophets and shamans do this, as do their modern avatars, the thinkers, psychoanalysts and critics. They know that they are not remonstrating with individuals, but with people under the collective spell of clichés which they confuse with their personal identity, when these assumptions, clichés and opinions are merely the jerry-rigged scaffolding of an impersonal, collective mode of thought(lessness)around what is an inner void lacking all individuality. | |||
| ::Return to what I said. If you meet prejudice, (in others as in yourself) think of its content as impersonal, as some semi-individuated echo of some wider resonance, and vent your criticism against the principle it embodies, not the person who embodies it. Jaakobou or anyone else is not the problem: the pseudo-ideas that invest us are the problem. To do this is not only a matter of hewing to the requisite courtesies, but of stepping outside an area of confusion. Most people who are right in one context, since they talk from the cutting edges of knowledge, look, as time moves, provincial and biased, because while they manage to rebut an age-old untruth, they themselves, as the ground of historical perceptions shifts, do so from a perspective that is itself in good part caught up in the trammels of unwitting belief. ] (]) 07:29, 4 April 2009 (UTC) | |||
| I find it a bit of a nonsense to have to have a debate about a subject that a Lebanese writer, Najib ‘Azuri writing before 1905, didn't have to explain the concept to his readers in ''Sabah'' and ''Thamarat al-Funun''. If the concept of Palestine as a distinct region was talked about prior to 1905 outside Palestine then that concept within Palestine was surely an entity way before that....That being the case why is this debate still ongoing over 100 years later on wiki?...] (]) 07:56, 4 April 2009 (UTC) | |||
| <blockquote> | |||
| The reaction of the Palestinian Arabs to modern political Zionism drew upon all these pre-existing elements: religious attachment to what both Muslim and Christians believed was a holy land, the conception of Palestine as an administrative entity, the fear of external encroachment, and local patriotism. Before going into details of this reaction, it is worth stressing that these elements of attachment to Palestine all antedate the encounter with Zionism. It is necessary to point this out because of the common assertion that Palestinian identity was no more than a reaction to Zionism...James P. Jankowski, I. Gershoni (1997) Rethinking nationalism in the Arab Middle East Columbia University Press, {{ISBN|0231106955}} P 175 | |||
| </blockquote> | |||
| ::You know this area of the literature, not, apparently, the literature, on how a n(ational) identity is constructed. The discourse you are talking about is of an elite: nations are formed in the minds of elites, who engineer them, by indoctrination of a pot-pourri of regional, village, ethnic groups whose only attachment is to their livelihoods, their clans, their area. 'Against an enemy I am a Somali, against a Somali leader I defend my region, against my region's leader, I defend my clan leader, against my clan leader, I defend my family, against my family, I defend myself'. | |||
| ==Banias== | |||
| ::But you still don't get the point. The people who oppose sensible edits represent a collectivist cliché, not their own personal view. A view is only personal if it shows traces of individual reflection, and most of these counter-edits are just the recycling of clichés in a tired, outworn literature. You are now focused on the literature, but you started this thread focusing on the person whose lack of knowledge disputed your edit. That is an error incompatible with wiki procedures. I know this place is often a lunatic asylum, but we need doctors to heal doctored documentation, not graduates who object to the patients, instead of seeing their views as a symptom of a general malaise, which should be the object of the physician's care. | |||
| The Book of Enoch indicates that the sanctity of the area was well established. The heterodoxy of the northern kingdom of Israel is well atested.<ref> CP:B, ISOTLPp 72</ref> | |||
| ::You're an army man, with a military approach. Give me the coordinates, get me humint, I'm supplied with ammo (books). But the slightest glance at military history will tell you that a large number of battles and campaigns were futile in the first place. The whole tragic history of Palestine consists of leaders so blinded by an idea Zionism, they cannot see where their commitment, as the vision is executed and creates incrementally more problems that it solves, is leading them (an apocalypse or apartheid). Every sane person on earth knew that the Iraq invasion was sheer madness, driven by ignorant ideologues: the troops went in and shot anybody in their way. For them it was personal, but they were in the service of a mad idea they knew nothing about. If everyone had looked at the idea, instead of personalising this hysterically, there would never have been any war in the first place.] (]) 08:32, 4 April 2009 (UTC) | |||
| :::I note you've changed the header, and made a general point. The problem that drives both you and I up the wall is simply the use of outdated sources often of dubious provenance, in articles. Secondly, that there seems to be no guideline that, in obeisance to the encyclopedia's stated goal, privileges as a norm that where a conflict in sources exist, academic books are everywhere to be preferred to googled articles from POv sites, and where a conflict in sources exist, the modern cutting edge position should be accorded more weight than the older interpretations. If I am correct in this, then the non-provocative title would have read,'Problems in handling edits insisting that Palestinians are 'Arabs', where the best literature, as opposed to the older Zionist historiography, now accepts that Palestinians have acquired a distinct national identity.' | |||
| The East Ghor canal project was part of a unified plan, suggested by minister Lahoud of Lebanon, for the irrigation of 10,000 ha in Jordan. <ref>Haddadin, Munther J. (2006) Water Resources in Jordan: Evolving Policies for Development, the Environment, and Conflict Resolution Resources for the Future, ISBN 1933115327 p 245</ref> | |||
| *Historically the core population was not regarded as 'Arab'. 'Arab' in ethnographic literature from the 17th to early 20th century was a term used almost exclusively of the Bedouin component. etc.] (]) 08:54, 4 April 2009 (UTC) | |||
| Rather a long title that is in essence masking the racist nature of the older Zionist historiography in persistence of use of the term "Arab"...and basically terms Arab and Bedouin were indeed synonymous and have now been used as shorthand code for non-Bedouin to impart other meanings quite clearly intended in a racist manner...A method that has been used in many other racist endeavours...] (]) 09:41, 4 April 2009 (UTC) | |||
| ::Zionists only took over the ethnophobic clichés from European racists, most of them anti-Semitic. Though I admit racism is, effectively, part of the core problem (but not as you frame it), many Zionists were not racists, as you know. The problem was, they were so prepossessed of the violence they were fleeing, they didn't really think deeply (except for great Zionists like ] and ] etc.) of the problem their refuge into a new simulacrum of their ancient nation was set to create, i.e., that it was premised upon repossessing a land already deeply dwelt in by another people. The problem was not, as often in Europe, racial, it was, and will ever be, spatial and demographic. Even in the autobiographies of people like ], who was an ultra-Zionist, a close impartial reading does not yield up the impression he was a racist. He was, despite his 'idea' (Zionism), deeply at home in the kind of land, culture and world of the people he was dispossessing, and this is not quite what you find in the classic racist, some of whom, here, at times go ballistic about 'Arabs'. This was true of many of the old Yishuv's rabbis as well. | |||
| ::] was a Zionist, as was ], or ] even now. None of them had, or has, an ounce of racism in them. they way they thought or think is not represented by 95% of 'pro-Israeli' editors in the I/P area, but 'always distinguish'. A rabbi, with kippa, got into Gaza the other day, and danced with an imam, in the middle of a hustling crowd of Palestinians who crowded round to tell their stories, of whole families massacred. They'd been earlier to Sderot. Always look at the individual as complex, and fight the idea, not the person. I'm probably more of an extremist than you, since I am listed as a subversive, with a 5 year sentence hanging over my head for refusing, right at the beginning of my adult life, to even recognize a government's right to ask me to enlist in an army. My view on Zionism is that of Arnold Toynbee in the 12th vol. of his Study of History, which is unrelentingly negative. But that doesn't tempt me to edit in here against Zionists. It only pushes me to ignore them, and think of Palestinians, a people whom, as I said to Suicup, history (not only Zionism, since Arabs, European and Americans have major responsibilities for what happened) wiped its arse on. ] (]) 10:14, 4 April 2009 (UTC) | |||
| ===see also=== | |||
| ] | |||
| I agree that many Zionists are not aware of the racism that is inherent in some of their arguments but it is there nonetheless...certainly the likes of ] ] and ] have turned away from using many of the set clichés usually found in Zionist arguments but unfortunately those racist clichés have become conspicuous all over wiki...The promulgation of those clichés and racial stereotypes should have been ditched long ago...] (]) 10:33, 4 April 2009 (UTC) | |||
| ===fns=== | |||
| ::Many of the people in here have little knowledge of their country's history. They grew up, some as immigrants, in the 70s and 80s, and learnt to read everything in the light of bad reportage, total ignorance of the world beyond the Green line, and why Palestinian grievance against their country is as profoundly motivated as the old Zionists' grievance against the Christian world of Europe. They come, many with little knowledge of Jewish history or its extraordinary contribution to our common enlightenment, from Sephardi backgrounds still keen with resentment for Arab policy as it developed after 1948, or from Russia, where their links to Judaism were reduced to mere ethnic classification. The idea of being a 'Jew' they imbibed is highly politicized, Israelocentric, and influenced by the environment Likud introduced, a marginal extremism that, as in the US with the generation of morons who created the world's economic and geostrategic mess from the 80s onwards, managed to occupy the centre of discourse. It's like growing up in the US in a family where Limbaugh or Fox news is the major source for what a person comes to think is his personal opinion. It's extremely hard to talk to such people. They confuse their views with some national, patriotic vision of the real world, which happens to be, however an ideological straightjacket put on them as children. No sudden Arbcom dispensation is going to change this. The force of intelligent, stubborn editing to the best sources may, if it is shorn of temper, and polemics. It's a hard way to go, but that's the way it is, and if you want to do something about it, and eventually have your imput, as a serious editor with a secured reputation on restructuring, taken note of for revision, you'll just have to drop the inner irritation that shows in your outbursts. Most have learnt this, you just keep ignoring it (I understand why, but it's counter-productive).] (]) 10:50, 4 April 2009 (UTC) | |||
| {{reflist|2}} | |||
| == June 1. The undersigned ask for a review of AK's sanction == | |||
| ===suggested further reading on water issues=== | |||
| ::A rapid decision, on a small point on wiki law, was made, regarding a trivial and contested act, in which he was accused of drive-by editing. He has without calling for administrative review sat out twice the length of one sanction imposed, that by Sandstein. Those who think the quality of his work invaluable for the I/P project ask that the year-long sanction be reviewed and scaled back drastically as wholly disproportionate to the contested infraction. The undersigned confirm their faith in his bona fides, and their belief that the infraction was and remains questionable. | |||
| Water for the Future: The West Bank and Gaza Strip, Israel, and Jordan By U.S. National Academy of Sciences, Inc NetLibrary, Jamʻīyah al-ʻIlmīyah al-Malakīyah, Committee on Sustainable Water Supplies for the Middle East, National Research Council, National Academy of Sciences (U.S.) Published by National Academies Press, 1999 ISBN 030906421X | |||
| *] (]) 08:38, 5 April 2009 (UTC) | |||
| == Casual observer == | |||
| Allan John Anthony, (2001) The Middle East Water Question: Hydropolitics and the Global Economy I.B.Tauris, ISBN 1860648134 | |||
| By March 1949, a classified CIA report declared Palestine was a 'Long Range Disaster'. The Agency report read in part:<blockquote> 'The establishment of the State of Israel by force, with intimidation of the Arab governments by the US and USSR, with the cutting off of the British arms and ammunition (the Arabs only source of supply), with ample sources for Israel of munitions and finance, the Israeli battle victory is complete, but it has solved nothing.</blockquote><blockquote>If boundaries to an Israeli State, any boundaries, had been set and guaranteed by the Great Powers, peace might return to the area. On the contrary, we have actually a victorious state which is limited to no frontiers and which is determined that no narrow limits shall be set. The Near East is faced with the almost certain prospect of a profound and growing disturbance by Israel which may last for decades... ...Instead of restoring the boundaries of the province of Judea as they were in 70 A.D., the Israeli leaders now state freely though usually unofficially, their demand for an ever expanding empire. Their present possessions are regarded by them as only a beachead into the Arab and Muslim World – a large part of which they plan to exploit. They are not prepared to live off what the land will yield as the Arabs do... ...''Alone among the Great Powers, Britain has been working on a plan to restore a balance between the forces in Palestine, but it already appears that this plan is doomed to fail. Zionist pressure in the USA, Anglophobia in Iraq and Egypt, and above all, Russia's determination to prolong chaos in the Near East and to complete the discrediting of British and American Diplomacy, combine to work against the policy of the British Government and its collaborators --King Abdulla of Trans-Jordan and the Prime Minister of Iraq, Nuri al Said''. Document 911106-5 page 2, </blockquote> | |||
| Amery, Hussein A. and Wolf, Aaron T. (2000) ''Water in the Middle East: A Geography of Peace'' University of Texas Press, ISBN 029270495X | |||
| any help to you? | |||
| A J Balfour’s memorandum at the Paris peace conference 11 August 1919 | |||
| <blockquote> | |||
| ''"The contradiction between the letter of the covenant and the policy of the allies is even more flagrant in the case of the ‘Independent nation’ of Palestine than in the case of the ‘independent nation’ of Syria. For in Palestine we do not propose even to go through the form of consulting the wishes of the present inhabitants of the country ... The four powers are committed to Zionism and Zionism, be it right or wrong, good or bad, is rooted in age-long tradition, in present needs, in future hopes, of far profounder import than the desire and prejudices of the 700,000 Arabs who now inhabit that ancient land."'' | |||
| </blockquote> Seamus Dunn, T. G. Fraser (1996) Europe and ethnicity: the First World War and contemporary ethnic conflict Routledge, {{ISBN|0415119960}} Chapter 9 Middle east Partition and Reformation T G Fraser p 172 | |||
| More full version of the Balfour memorandum in; Rashid Khalidi (2005) Resurrecting Empire: western footprints and America's perilous path in the Middle East Beacon Press, {{ISBN|0807002356}} Chapter 4 The United States and Palestine p 198 | |||
| From Lucy Dean (2003) The Middle East and North Africa 2004 Taylor & Francis Group, Routledge, ISBN 1857431847, | |||
| == DYK for Eyal Eisenberg == | |||
| <blockquote>Nevertheless appeared to have reined in its suicide bombers, giving its tacit support to its fragile cease-fire and stating that it would not unleash more suicide bombers on Israel as long as Israeli troops did not kill Palestinian civilians. However in early July both Islamic Jahad and Hamas formally declared an end to the truce.</blockquote> | |||
| turned into:- | |||
| ''Hamas had appeared to have reined in its suicide bombers, while publicly giving conflicting messages as to its support of the truce.'' | |||
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| plus of course your ref directly backs up the Guardian article on revenge attacks for Israeli forces slaughtering Palestinians. The article you deleted..Nocal...] (]) 00:07, 3 November 2008 (UTC) | |||
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| :I didn't know, but now I do. ] (]) 06:25, 13 April 2009 (UTC) | |||
| == Both Furfar and IDF T shirt are POV forks == | |||
| ==Books== | |||
| Schwarz, Yehoseph (1850) Translated by Isaac Leeser A. Hart, | |||
| ] and ] Both ] and the ] are POV forks although I do not see YnHockey, Gilibrand or Wikifan12345 looking to delete Furfar. | |||
| Geog incorrect, biblical refs incorrect, Crusaders period called Belinas. | |||
| They are both POV forks of: | |||
| van de Velde, Charles William Meredith (1854) W. Blackwood and sons, p 425 | |||
| ] | |||
| Insignificant village subject to the Emir of Hasbeiya with the ruins of Caesarea Philippi being the only thing of any interest to European travellers, with the village houses clustered around the spring. Crusader period Belenas. | |||
| The 2 political-nationalist communities have been in violent conflict for close to one century. The emotions and passions of the 2 groups run deep. Negative imagery has been used by both groups in attempts to dehumanise their rivals. | |||
| ] of Banias | |||
| read up on:- | |||
| Frankish Rural Settlement in the Latin Kingdom of Jerusalem By Ronnie Ellenblum Published by Cambridge University Press, 2003 ISBN 0521521874 p 142 Bethgibelin | |||
| Daniel Bar-Tal, Yona Teichman (2005) Stereotypes and Prejudice in Conflict: Representations of Arabs in Israeli Jewish Society Cambridge University Press, {{ISBN|0521807972}} p 121 | |||
| Paul Martin Lester, Susan Dente Ross (2003) Images that injure: pictorial stereotypes in the media Greenwood Publishing Group, {{ISBN|027597846X}} p 60 | |||
| ===Schools=== | |||
| Textbooks teach Arab children to hate, say Israelis By Phil Reeves in Jerusalem Wednesday, 6 September 2000 | |||
| ==bad Faith Edits by ]== | |||
| <blockquote>Yet for all their evasions and silences they do not teach hate. </blockquote> Robert I. Rotberg (2006) Israeli and Palestinian narratives of conflict: history's double helix Indiana University Press, {{ISBN|0253218578}} p 16 | |||
| What has the Hamas charter got to do with a line established in 1949? | |||
| By Or Kashti | |||
| of MINNESOTA using Comcast Cable Communications Holdings server | |||
| ===Hate groups=== | |||
| California based list of “JEWISH S.H.I.T. LIST (Self-Hating and/or Israel-Threatening)” | |||
| ===The use of crude Cartoons images in the Israeli Palestinian conflict=== | |||
| Cartoon symbols of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict | |||
| Hate mail 19 January 2004 | |||
| ===Farfur=== | |||
| Typical NoCal100 behaviour pattern. | |||
| Palestinian TV uses Mickey Mouse to promote resistance by Mark Oliver 9 may 2007 | |||
| ===IDF T-Shirt Affair=== | |||
| ==Kayseri== | |||
| == Dumb use of the word "Arab" == | |||
| :''] should not be confused with ], on the Mediterranean, (now ] in Israel) or with ] in Cappadocia.'' | |||
| Going by the anti-Palestinian usage of Arab the ] (1848–1855) should be renamed the ] | |||
| needs top piece | |||
| Conversely the 1834 Arab revolt in Palestine should be renamed as the ]; as Palestine was a sub-district of the vilayet of Syria in the same way that California is a sub-district of the USA. It is noted that it is more correct to call an American from California “a Californian” when an action or event only affects Californians and in the same way an event or action that only affects or is carried out in Palestine is a Palestinian event. | |||
| It would appear that the inappropriate use of the term Arab has become the trade mark of extremist POV propagandists.] (]) 04:00, 1 May 2009 (UTC) | |||
| == 2 Places at once? I don't think so == | |||
| ==Greater Israel== | |||
| Gorenberg, Gershom (2006) Occupied Territories: The Untold Story of Israel's Settlements I.B.Tauris, ISBN 1845114302 p 15 | |||
| {{ISBN|0805071881}} | |||
| Kfar Etzion | |||
| ==Tiamut's list of Birds of Palestine== | |||
| Gorenberg, Gershom (2006) Occupied Territories: The Untold Story of Israel's Settlements I.B.Tauris, ISBN 1845114302 p 103 The last defenders blew themselves up. | |||
| 3 Birds for Tiamut's list. | |||
| == November 2008 == | |||
| *Hoopoe (Upupa epops): | |||
| **I have asked for another enwiki checkuser to review the evidence. Please note that per ], multiple accounts acting in tandem to evade blocks and bans may be treated as sockpuppets even if the actual people behind the account may be separate. Thank you. -- ] (]) 14:35, 9 November 2008 (UTC) | |||
| JERUSALEM (Reuters) - It may not be kosher, but the Hoopoe was chosen Thursday as Israel's national bird. | |||
| ***I have also run a check, and I endorse Avi's findings. ] <sup>]</sup> 14:42, 9 November 2008 (UTC) | |||
| The Hoopoe, or "Duchifat" in Hebrew, is listed in the Old Testament as unclean and forbidden food for Jews. | |||
| President Shimon Peres declared the pink, black and white-crested bird the winner of a competition timed to coincide with Israel's 60th anniversary. It beat out rivals such as the Yellow-vented Bulbul and the Palestine Sunbird. | |||
| The Book of Leviticus groups the Hoopoe with birds such as the eagle, vulture and pelican that are "abhorrent, not to be eaten." | |||
| Israel is a main crossroads for birds migrating between Europe and Africa. Some 155,000 Israelis cast ballots in the national bird vote. | |||
| (Writing by Jeffrey Heller; Editing by Julian Rake and Ibon Villelabeitia) | |||
| Oldham coverage Central Manchester, greater Manchester, Stoke-on-Trent, Oldham, Leeds, Preston | |||
| Basically the entire NW England. | |||
| *Bulbul (Pycnonotus barbatus); | |||
| Although now my IP is from Southport (even further away) Liverpool, Blackpool (due to attack on e-mail provider) | |||
| The bulbul, a festive songbird that is common in Wadi El Bazan, Wadi Al Qilt and Ein Qeenia, | |||
| ==Odd...== | |||
| *Palestine sun bird (Nectarinia oseus and Cinnyris oseus family Nectariniidae): | |||
| Hi Ashley Kennedy3. I hope you are doing alright despite the weirdness above. I never have understood how the interpretation of Checkuser results work, but based on what you are saying, it seems you got dragged into a very tangly net. Is there anything I might be able to do to help? ]<sup>]</sup> 16:15, 11 November 2008 (UTC) | |||
| a small black bird with glittering iridescent colors prevalent in desert areas, | |||
| Not really Tiamut. During my week off for bad behaviour I went looking for like minded activists to aid a pro-Palestinian fight back. 1 took a few pieces off my talk page and used it. As Charles O'Sulivan and I share a ISP, the court decided he was a meat puppet. My own fault for recruiting someone from the north of England. I wouldn't worry too much I'm writing articles for inclusion as soon as the block comes off. | |||
| Thanks for looking in. | |||
| What's happened to nishidani? | |||
| ] (]) 18:58, 11 November 2008 (UTC) | |||
| :Just a note to say I miss your contributions! And I hope you liked the picture at ] ..I haven´t really looked much into the issue, but Tristram seem to operate with two different places? See . And I agree with some others here: the difference between your treatment and, say, the Einsteindonut socking is ... staggering. Hold on there, take care. Regards, ] (]) 10:22, 18 November 2008 (UTC) | |||
| The Birds in Palestine; The expected number of bird species in Palestine amount to more than 500. This is a very large and varied number compared with other countries, inspite of the limited total land area of Palestine. | |||
| Thanks for the note...I'm not really interested in what happened to ESD...I am interested in getting back to work as I have quite a mass of articles prepared to drop in and extensions for others. Also you'll see the coords are building up.] (]) | |||
| Those are classified in 206 genera, belonging to 67 families and grouped in 21 orders. | |||
| *Blue-Cheeked Bee-eater | |||
| *White Breasted King Fisher | |||
| *Greater Flamingo | |||
| *House Bunting | |||
| *Great Grey Shrike | |||
| *Spanish Sparrow | |||
| *Mourning Wheatear | |||
| *Trumpeter Finch | |||
| *Lesser Kestrel | |||
| *Masked Shrike | |||
| *Ortolan Bunting | |||
| *Common Kestrel | |||
| , | |||
| ==For al Ameer son== | |||
| ''Although by the 1940s several women’s organisations had come into being in Jerusalem, my mother was never attracted to join. Even when friends like Trab Abdul-Hadi were involved. This woman, whom I was to meet living in exile in Cairo many years later had been one of the founders of the Women’s organisation, the Palestine Arab Women’s Congress. This was established in the late 1920s and was political in nature, a remarkable phenomenon for the conservative Arab society of that time.'' | |||
| ==Jisr Jindas== | |||
| ''The women who joined Tarab Abdul-hadi in setting it up came from those very notable Jerusalem families with whom my mother mixed, but she found their overt political activism not to her liking.'' | |||
| Are you sure on the location of ] being on the Via Maris between Ramla and Lydda? Only I have two references to it being at the North entrance to Lydda at 31° 58’ 07.51’’ N 34° 54’ 00.78’’E. | |||
| Karmi Ghada (2002) In Search of Fatima: A Palestinian Story Verso, ISBN 1859846947 p 31 | |||
| The position matches the description and these photos. | |||
| looks like Jerusalem. | |||
| ] Bayabars' Lion catching a mouse also seen on the lion gate Jerusalem | |||
| also:- | |||
| Andrew Petersen (1996) Dictionary of Islamic architecture Publisher Routledge, {{ISBN|0415060842}} p 231 | |||
| Mahdī ʻAbd al-Hādī (1997) Palestine: Documents by PASSIA, Page 370 | |||
| ]. Survey of Jisr Jindas was carried out in 1937 by P.L.O. Guy Director of the British School of Archaeology in Jerusalem. His field notes, photographs and plans are held in the PEF’s archives and await future reassessment. | |||
| April 15: Arab women march to holy sites to protest Lord Allenby's visit. | |||
| Tarab Abdul Hadi speaks in the Church of the Holy Sepulchre and ... | |||
| ] (]) 22:28, 11 November 2008 (UTC) | |||
| From Ramlah the route continued to Ludd (Lydda) and over a bridge (near Jindas) to the northn of the city built in 1273, up to the khan of Jaljulyah, built around 1325. | |||
| == adding coordinates == | |||
| Moshe Sharon (1999) Corpus inscriptionum Arabicarum Palaestinae, (CIAP) Publisher BRILL, {{ISBN|9004110836}}, p 229 | |||
| I realize you're taking a little wikibreak right now, but when you get back I wanted to see if you would be able to help find coordinates for ] as part of ]. I've done almost everything in that category, but there are still 24 locations left that I just can't find coordinates for. You seem to know the area better than I so I was hoping you could help out. Thanks in advance. --] (]) 14:10, 17 November 2008 (UTC) | |||
| Hope it helps best wishes Ashley. What next or shall I keep on looking for Jisr Jindas?... Coords I've given (31° 58’ 07.51’’ N 34° 54’ 00.78’’E) are good Wadi Salman and River Ayalon are the same feature.] (]) 01:03, 31 July 2009 (UTC) | |||
| ::Petersen, 2002, p. 183, gives as location: 1408.1529 31.58N/34.55E, | |||
| ::Cheers, ] (]) 21:30, 21 October 2009 (UTC) | |||
| ::Petersen is not accurate at 31° 58’N 34° 55’E, 1 min covers quite a large area. The coords 31° 58’ 07.42’’ N 34° 54’ 01.76’’E are good. | |||
| Put the 24 up here and I'd be very pleased to check them out. | |||
| full set North abutment:31° 58’ 07.28’’ N 34° 54’ 01.82’’E | |||
| wiki break, very droll..I like it..] (]) 17:34, 17 November 2008 (UTC) | |||
| Central span: 31° 58’ 07.42’’ N 34° 54’ 01.76’’E | |||
| Here they are - thanks again. | |||
| South Abutment: 31° 58’ 06.90’’ N 34° 54’ 01.64’’E | |||
| '''to do''' | |||
| all on the centre line of the road. It's very easy to identify. When the Petersen coords are plotted they don't plot onto the river or the road, the Petersen coords are crude approximations.. | |||
| so much for 24 | |||
| ::Heh; ok, I trust you,..btw, I really wish I had some pictures of the lions on ]..but I guess the people of Gaza presently have other worries than their representation on wp....Cheers, ] (]) 22:23, 21 October 2009 (UTC) | |||
| * ] re-write the POV article and I'll give you the coords. It's barrel vaulted not domed. | |||
| *] | |||
| * ] (says Ramallah in the article? should that be ]?) Phone number 2405929 Al-Jenan: Midraset Al-Amriciya Al-Falastiniya | |||
| :Their says Al-Bireh-Ramallah - I don't know anything more than that. Beitunia original, later one in al-Bireh? | |||
| <blockquote> | |||
| Another American School is Al Jenan School in Beitunia, near Ramallah. The | |||
| school was built by two Palestinian Americans who retumed to Palestine. | |||
| </blockquote> The Middle East By Library Information and Research Service | |||
| Published by Library Information and Research Service., 1998 Item notes: v.21B 1998 p 146 | |||
| I've seen some great pictures of it some time ago, 7 or 8 moths ago when Almerson was working on the Gaza strip. Maybe you should ask him/her for links...] (]) 22:27, 21 October 2009 (UTC) | |||
| * ] Star street, which house on Star street? coords for ] 31° 42' 21.84'' N 35° 12' 14.14'' E (I don't know which house on star street) same place as ] - Maha Saca? | |||
| *] The Manasseh Hill Country Survey: The Shechem Syncline By Adam Zertal Published by BRILL, 2004 ISBN 9004137564 p 105 32° 27' 31.13’’ N 35° 15' 35.80’’ E | |||
| * ] 4 Raja Street, Ramallah | |||
| *] 32° 47’ 17.18’’ N 34° 58’ 05.17’’ (not far from the Israeli elec company building) | |||
| *] could do with adjusting to: 31° 42’ 15.50’’ N 35° 12’ 27.50’’ | |||
| *] 31° 41’ 34.00’’ N 35° 09’ 59.00’’ | |||
| *] the existing coords are very crude... should read 31° 43’ 31.00’’ N 35° 13’ 17.50’’ | |||
| *] (officially Magharet Sitti Mariam, "Grotto of the Lady Mary" (see ] 31° 42’ 13.88’’ N 35° 12’ 36.46’’ | |||
| *] 31° 48’ 55.00’’ N 35° 13’ 48.00’’ (coords on article way out, due to transcription error; used coords of ] please amend) | |||
| *] 32° 47’ 28.07’’ N 34° 57’ 54.32’’ | |||
| *] There are 4 campuses. | |||
| *] 31° 54’ 19.34’’ N 35° 11’ 54.58’’ E | |||
| * ] | |||
| *] very good should be linked to in the article. | |||
| *] 32° 12' 03.18’’ N 35° 12' 46.75’’ E | |||
| *] 32° 48' 58.67’’ N 34° 59' 46.65’’ E | |||
| *] 32° 48' 37.15’’ N 35° 00' 04.27’’ E | |||
| :..] (]) 22:42, 21 October 2009 (UTC) | |||
| ''The 3,000 Arabs remaining in the city, circa 8.5% of the total urban population of 268,000 previously living in Haifa,'' balderdash! from the quoted reference 3,500 of the original Palestinian population of 70,000 (although in 1948 other pop estimates give 65,000 Palestinian and 70,000 Jewish) is 2.6% of the total pop of haifa. The pop as now is 8.5% Palestinian out of 268,000 (total for Haifa) or 22,750 | |||
| *] 32° 00' 32.86’’ N 36° 01' 13.71’’ E | |||
| *] 32° 49' 22.27’’ N 35° 03' 25.90’’ E | |||
| *] 31° 28' 55.89’’ N 34° 24' 47.96’’ E | |||
| *] 31° 46' 12.08 N 35° 15' 51.76'' E | |||
| *] 31° 45' 50.64'' N 35° 16' 51.44'' E | |||
| *] 31° 58' 21.42'' N 35° 13' 46.50'' E (should read North of Ramallah not northeast) | |||
| *] 32° 01' 00.15'' N 35° 07' 28.56'' E | |||
| *] 32° 18' 30.00'' N 35° 53' 07.37'' E | |||
| *] 31° 59' 20.98'' N 35° 10' 28.55'' E (al Almeer son you placed it on Atara) | |||
| *] 32° 34' 16.09'' N 35° 01' 23.15'' E | |||
| * ] 31° 47' 55.63'' N 35° 14' 53.65'' E | |||
| *] 32° 53' 06.16'' N 35° 21' 57.58'' E | |||
| *] 32° 54' 39.74'' N 35° 20' 19.31'' E | |||
| *] 32° 57' 57.52'' N 35° 35' 35.54'' E (should read 8.5km east of Safed not 85) | |||
| *] 32° 46' 38.09'' N 35° 13' 15.24'' E | |||
| *] 32° 48' 26.68'' N 35° 22' 02.20'' E | |||
| *] 32° 24' 10.11'' N 34° 56' 47.46'' E | |||
| *] 31° 46’ 41.30’’ N 35° 14’ 06.31’’ E | |||
| *] 31° 46’ 34.92’’ N 35° 14’ 13.24’’ E | |||
| *] 31° 46’ 41.00’’ N 35° 14’ 08.94’’ E | |||
| *] 31° 46’ 41.58’’ N 35° 14’ 05.96’’ E | |||
| *] 31° 46’ 42.07’’ N 35° 14’ 05.63’’ E | |||
| *] 31° 46’ 38.46’’ N 35° 14’ 06.27’’ E | |||
| *] 31° 46’ 33.87’’ N 35° 14’ 05.32’’ E | |||
| *] 31° 46’ 38.60’’ N 35° 14’ 07.17’’ E | |||
| *] 31° 46’ 38.39’’ N 35° 14’ 04.99’’ E | |||
| *] 31° 46’ 38.72’’ N 35° 14’ 04.90’’ E | |||
| *] 31° 51’ 58.18’’ N 34° 44’ 51.70’’ E | |||
| *] 31° 47’ 44.20’’ N 35° 08’ 39.07’’ E | |||
| *] 31° 37’ 51.11’’ N 34° 39’ 46.21’’ E | |||
| *] 31° 47’ 00.31’’ N 34° 53’ 34.00’’ E | |||
| now all you want is an open licence...] (]) 22:53, 21 October 2009 (UTC) | |||
| ::District of Acre | |||
| :Ah, yeah; looks very much what is pictured in Sharon (Sharon has more close-up)..I´ll see what Al-Almeerson can come up with...cheers, ] (]) | |||
| I've plotted Petersens 1408.1529 which gives the position of the coords for the bridge I picked out (between the railway bridge and the new road bridge)...] (]) 19:23, 22 October 2009 (UTC) | |||
| *] 32° 04' 49.69'' N 34° 57' 20.97'' E | |||
| ==al-Majdal, Tiberias== | |||
| :: Khan Yunis | |||
| Walid Khalidi (1992) All that remains: the Palestinian villages occupied and depopulated by Israel in 1948 Publisher Institute for Palestine Studies, {{ISBN|0887282245}} p.530 | |||
| *] 31° 17’ 42.43’’ N 34° 20’ 04.41’’ E | |||
| *] 31° 18’ 35.90’’ N 34° 18’ 18.87’’ E | |||
| *] 31° 18’ 35.61’’ N 34° 19’ 10.65’’ E | |||
| *] 31° 19’ 20.96’’ N 34° 17’ 31.92’’ E | |||
| *] 31° 17’ 58.42’’ N 34° 18’ 06.24’’ E | |||
| *] 31° 17’ 46.98’’ N 34° 17’ 32.12’’ E | |||
| [al-Majdal identified as ancient Magdala | |||
| ::Rafah | |||
| *] 31° 16’ 36.28 N 34° 17’ 52.07’’ E | |||
| *] 31° 19’ 19.05’’ N 34° 14’ 17.88’’ E | |||
| *] 31° 15’ 31.12 N 34° 16’ 56.80’’ E | |||
| *] 31° 19’ 24.46 N 34° 13’ 14.93’’ E | |||
| *] 31° 18’ 37.53’’ N 34° 14’ 23.93’’ E | |||
| *] 31° 17' 22.96'' N 34° 14' 34.56'' E | |||
| Denys Pringle (1998) The Churches of the Crusader Kingdom of Jerusalem: L-Z (exluding Tyre) Publisher Cambridge University Press, {{ISBN|0521390370}} p 153] | |||
| ::Gaza | |||
| * al-Jondi al-Majhool (unknown soldiers garden Gaza, ]. 31° 31’ 09.13’’ N 34 26’ 41.14’’ E | |||
| *] 31° 32’ 46.14’’ N 34° 27’ 49.45’’ E | |||
| *] 31° 27’ 13.94’’ N 34° 25’ 43.05’’ E | |||
| *] 31° 28’ 03.00’’ N 34° 24’ 35.00’’ E | |||
| [An hour still to the north is located the village al-Majdal, identified with the home of Mary Magdalena... Before Tiberias was built, it was the chief city of the district | |||
| ::North Gaza Governorate | |||
| *] 31° 32’ 46.51’’ N 34° 31’ 22.92’’ E | |||
| *] 31° 33’ 31.94’’ N 34° 31’ 11.13’’ E | |||
| *open university of Gaza 31° 20’ 56.01’’ N 34° 18’ 13.96’’ E | |||
| *] 31° 29’ 48.74’’ N 34 26’ 41.57’’ E | |||
| Samuel Macauley Jackson, Lefferts Augustine Loetscher (1977) The new Schaff-Herzog encyclopedia of religious knowledge v. 6 Publisher Baker Book House, {{ISBN|0801079470}} p 421] | |||
| ::Deir al-Balah | |||
| *] 31° 24' 58.82’’ N 34° 22' 34.83’’ E | |||
| *] 31° 23' 59.78’’ N 34° 20' 22.07’’ E | |||
| *] 31° 26' 25.00’’ N 34° 22' 55.00’’ E | |||
| :If you don't mind AshleyK, I'll start this one up right now. Thanks for gettin it started. When are you going to be able to edit directly again? ]<sup>]</sup> 17:30, 8 August 2009 (UTC) | |||
| *AAs 31° 31’ 25.54’’ N 35° 06’ 29.48’’ E | |||
| *SYH 31° 31’ 44.38’’ N 35° 05’ 57.58’’ E | |||
| Huldra has plenty on her ] getting articles started page. I'm still in prison for another 8 months. I've got loads of your birds in Order, family species lists...] (]) 17:38, 8 August 2009 (UTC) | |||
| :--] (]) 18:48, 17 November 2008 (UTC) | |||
| *] needs to be changed on the template to ] 32° 25’ 39.31’’ N 35° 30’ 01.43’’ E | |||
| :I saw the bird stuff too. I've just gotten a little fatigued of putting that list together for the time being. I'll try to get back to it soon. I think I'd like to have al-Majdal up as a stub for now to get people working on it. I find that when I put stuff in user space, it just languishes there. I start second guessing if its good to go or not. Best to open it up to others right away so all paties can pitch in. (Except for those of us who still have time in the penalty box. I'm sorry about that AshleyK. It's a terrible waste of your abilities to have you confined to this talk page.) | |||
| *]Denys Pringle, Peter E. Leach(1993) The Churches of the Crusader Kingdom of Jerusalem: A Corpus Cambridge University Press, ISBN 0521390370 p 203 reference to the church being dedicated to Holy Trinity. | |||
| :Anyway, thanks for keeping things coming and going. My deepest regards, ]<sup>]</sup> 17:43, 8 August 2009 (UTC) | |||
| *<s>] 31° 41' 20.27'' N 35° 10' 11.63'' E (should be removed from Solomon article and come under a separate article, as at the end of the day Solomon's pools has absolutely nothing to do with Solomon).</s> I'll do an article on it when I get out of prison. | |||
| *] 31° 50' 42.26’’ N 35° 25' 35.42’’ E (31.8451 N 35.4265 E) Ancient Jewish Art and Archaeology in the Land of Israel By Rachel Hachlili Published by Brill Archive, 1988 ISBN 9004081151 p 45 | |||
| The Cambridge History of Judaism By W D Davies, Louis Finkelstein, William Horbury, John Sturdy, Steven T Katz Published by Cambridge University Press, 2006 ISBN 0521243777 p 24 | |||
| *] needs working on and linking to ] | |||
| *] needs work | |||
| *] expand. | |||
| It's no problem Tiamut, Huldra pops by and makes coords requests and I keep an eye on looking up missing bits, I've found nearly all of you 500 birds of Palestine.] (]) 17:48, 8 August 2009 (UTC) | |||
| (That's the style, Ashley, no whingeing yet responsive to requests for assistance for content while under sanction. In the Saxophonemn-Einsteindonut case, one month for a first offence of sockpuppetry was cut back very rapidly by administrative review, and yet neither of them contributed to Wiki as you have. There is no coherence in this. Still, 'chin up, and sit it out'. Whether sockpuppetry was involved or not, the ''appearance'' of the same existed, and that was the error. Admins have to judge on appearances as often as not. When they do, one should, as you have done, just take the rap. Never communicate to anyone off-line re edits. To do so is to play the game so evidently practiced by many. Cheers, pal.] (]) 22:03, 17 November 2008 (UTC)) | |||
| ==Birds of Palestine== | |||
| These were on my list of to do anyway...] (]) 23:55, 17 November 2008 (UTC) | |||
| Palestine is host to a treasure trove of biodiversity as it lies at the crossroads of the European, Asian, and African continents, the Mediterranean and Red seas. The unique environment nurtures Palestinian biological diversity through the convergence of various geo-climatic conditions that include the Mediterranean Sea, the desert, the woodlands, and the Jordan Rift Valley. The Gaza Strip is home to 39 resident bird species and on the route of 195 migrant bird species belonging to 18 orders and 53 families. Palestine Authority is host to x number orders, x number families, x number species resident or migratory birds out of 843 species recorded in the Middle East.<ref> Middle East Checklist.</ref> | |||
| It has been estimated that five hundred million birds migrate annually along the Gaza coastline or through the narrow corridor of the Jordan valley between the southern and northern hemispheres.<ref> Al-Quds University, Bezalel Academy of Arts and Design, Jerusalem and Jordan Society for Sustainable Development</ref> | |||
| I've just had a thought is this meatpuppetry supplying coords to evade a block?...] (]) 09:22, 18 November 2008 (UTC) | |||
| Areas covered: | |||
| Thanks for all your work. I've added most of them and will get to the rest later. As for meatpuppetry, I don't think this qualifies because: | |||
| *I asked you for help, not the other way around, so it would be hard to say you were using me. ( Oh no! with Tulkarm Governorate being centred on Umm Fahm I just claimed half of Galilee for the PA) | |||
| *Neither of us qualifies as a "new user" | |||
| *Most importantly, I'm not trying to influence any process and we're not working in concert to try and prove a point of influence a vote - we're just adding coordinates to articles. --] (]) 20:12, 18 November 2008 (UTC) | |||
| Walls of Jerusalem | |||
| From your comment on wiki break I anticipated humour appreciation, I tend to use irony quite a bit...We are trying to influence a process and we are working in concert, '''we are trying to improve wiki articles''' (if we're not then we shouldn't be here)...] (]) 23:54, 18 November 2008 (UTC) | |||
| http://www.wildlife-pal.org/walls_of_jerusalem.htm | |||
| Wadi al-Quilt (Jerusalem) | |||
| ==Umm Tuba== | |||
| http://www.wildlife-pal.org/wadi_al_quilt_region.htm | |||
| *] (31° 44’ 07.28’’ N 35° 13’ 56.48’’ E) see ] (31° 43’ 30.94’’ N 35° 14’ 02.15’’ E) 14 September, 2006 A basic right By Ksenia Svetlova | |||
| Jerusalem Wilderness region of Bethlehem/Hebron | |||
| Nu’man 31° 43’ 01.82’’ N 35° 14’ 33.02’’ E | |||
| http://www.wildlife-pal.org/jerusalem_wilderness_region.htm | |||
| Mar Saba – Wadi Qadron (Bethlehem) | |||
| Following is a brief list of the main historical sites identified in the ] (Abu Ghnaim) area (Green, 1995): | |||
| http://www.wildlife-pal.org/mar_saba_-_wadi_qadron.htm | |||
| Wadi Al-Makhrour (Bethlehem) | |||
| 1. Cathisma (Bir Qadismu): Means "the place of sitting", located on the third milestone from Jerusalem to Bethlehem. The name refers to the belief that Mary dismounted precisely here before giving birth to Jesus. It was the site of an octagonal church and monastery said to have been built in the fifth century by a wealthy woman, who dedicated it to Saint Mary. | |||
| http://www.wildlife-pal.org/wadi_al-makhrour.htm | |||
| Al- Fashkaha region (Jericho) | |||
| 2. Khirbet Abu Ghnaim (St.Paul's Hill): Property of the Franciscans, who excavated it under V. Cordo in 1952. Near the village of Umm Tuba which in the Byzantine time was called Metopa. The site is also identified with the Monastery of Marinus named after Photinus in the fifth century. | |||
| http://www.wildlife-pal.org/al-fashkaha_region.htm | |||
| Jericho | |||
| 3. Khirbet Luqa (Biyar Luqa; Umm Tuba): Excavated by V. Corbo for the Franciscans in 1954. Build by Marinus in Metopa, Byzantine Umm Tuba. | |||
| http://www.wildlife-pal.org/jericho_region.htm | |||
| Al-Oja springs (Jericho) | |||
| 4. Bir El Qutt: A Georgian monastery of the sixth century dedicated to St. Theodore the Martyr. The Georgians had a long history in Palestine, though their churches eventually came under the Greek Orthodox Patriarch. Excavated by Corbo for the Franciscans in 1952-3. | |||
| http://www.wildlife-pal.org/al-oja_springs_region.htm | |||
| Wadi Gaza (Gaza Strip) | |||
| 5. Siyar El-Ghunam (Beit Sahour): Traditional site of the Shepherd's Field, east of Bethlehem. Excavated by C. Guarmani 1934. In 1951-2, V. Corbo cleared the entire complexion on behalf of the Franciscans. | |||
| http://www.wildlife-pal.org/wadi_gaza_region.htm | |||
| Wadi Al Quff (Hebron) | |||
| Excavations and Surveys in Israel. | |||
| http://www.wildlife-pal.org/wadi_al-quff.htm | |||
| Um Al-Safa (Ramallah) | |||
| http://www.wildlife-pal.org/um_al-safa.htm | |||
| Qenya Springs (Ramallah) | |||
| http://www.wildlife-pal.org/qenya_springs.htm | |||
| Um Al-Rihan Forests (Jenin) | |||
| ==Terrorism== | |||
| http://www.wildlife-pal.org/un_al-rihan_forests.htm | |||
| Note: I have only extracted Bird names from the sources that have indicated the Birds can be found within the area that The President of the United States referred to as Palestine. | |||
| *Category:Terrorism | |||
| *] | |||
| Categories: Israeli media | Palestinian media | Political organizations based in Palestine | Media analysis organizations | Arab world media | Iranian media | Turkish media | Middle East | Terrorism | Women's rights in the Middle East | Human rights in Arab League member countries | American Middle Eastern studies | Non-profit organizations |Non-governmental organizations involved in the Israeli-Palestinian conflict | United States-Middle Eastern relations | Israel–United States relations | |||
| *Category:Jewish terrorism | |||
| *](+) ](+) ](!) ](+) ] ] ] ] ] ] ](+) ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ] | |||
| === Obama's speech === | |||
| In Obama's speech the terms; OPT, Judea and Samaria ripped up and substituted with PALESTINE for the whole with West bank and Gaza as regions of PALESTINE. | |||
| *Category:Victims of Jewish Terrorism + | |||
| *Category:Irgun members ! | |||
| *Category:Israeli activists | |||
| :<blockquote>"At the same time, Israelis must acknowledge that just as Israel's right to exist cannot be denied, neither can <b>Palestine's.</b> The United States does not accept the legitimacy of continued Israeli settlements. This construction violates previous agreements and undermines efforts to achieve peace. It is time for these settlements to stop.</blockquote> | |||
| Please reconsider the symbol you are using for Jewish Terrorism.--] (]) 00:55, 25 November 2008 (UTC) | |||
| :<blockquote>Israel must also live up to its obligations to ensure that Palestinians can live, and work, and develop their society. And just as it devastates Palestinian families, the continuing humanitarian crisis in Gaza does not serve Israel's security; neither does the continuing lack of opportunity in the West Bank. Progress in the daily lives of the Palestinian people must be part of a road to peace, and Israel must take concrete steps to enable such progress."</blockquote> | |||
| Victims of Jewish terrorism, I don't think there was any suggestion of money being involved. it was merely a symbol that to me, as British and to wiki coding, that had no meaning. It took me some time to work out why you may have found it offensive, now I hope you dont think that the plus sign is a Christian cross.] (]) 01:08, 25 November 2008 (UTC) | |||
| ] (]) 23:26, 4 June 2009 (UTC) | |||
| :Thanks for changing this. I'm British too but I have an ethnicity that has suffered 2000 years of institutionalised Christian discrimination which for centuries restricted us to a small number of professions including, significantly, money-lending.--] (]) 11:20, 25 November 2008 (UTC) | |||
| annually.<ref name=PW>{{Cite web|title=Migratory Soaring Birds|url=http://portal.wildlife-pal.org/php/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=8|publisher=Palestine Wildlife Society|accessdate=2009-07-28}}</ref><ref name=Hastingsp762>Hastings, 2004, p. 762.</ref><ref name=Gazelle>{{cite web|url=http://www.gazelle.8m.net/photo.html|publisher=Gazelle: The Palestinian Biological Bulletin|accessdate=2009-07-28|title=Birds of Palestine}}</ref> | |||
| Sorry if I inadvertently cause offence. The sign is/was used in coding for a 'string' (I used to as a self prompt for tying them together).] (]) 11:27, 25 November 2008 (UTC) | |||
| ===Birds of Palestine Order Passeriformes === | |||
| What Price Israel?: 1953 - 2003 By Alfred M. Lilienthal Published by Buy Books on the web, 2004 ISBN 0741419270 p 81 King David Hotel. 30 minute warning. Begin claim. | |||
| '''Order: ]''' perching birds sometimes called songbirds | |||
| '''Family: ]''' | |||
| Oh and peter 2000 years a wild exaggeration. | |||
| * ] (''Phylloscopus collybita''); common WV<ref name=Handbook/><ref name=shep/> | |||
| :Oh my mistake the Theodosian Code which restricted Jews so that the only public office they could hold was that of tax collector came into effect in 404. So it dates back 1604 years.--] (]) 18:56, 25 November 2008 (UTC) | |||
| * ] (''Phylloscopus orientalis'') | |||
| * ] (''Phylloscopus bonellii''); common migrant and uncommon SV<ref name=Handbook/> | |||
| * ] (''Phylloscopus fuscatus'') | |||
| * ] (''Phylloscopus humei'') | |||
| * ] (''Phylloscopus lorenzi'') | |||
| * ] (''Phylloscopus trochilus''); common migrant<ref name=Handbook/> | |||
| * ] (''Phylloscopus sibilatrix''); common migrant in the plains<ref name=Handbook/> | |||
| * ] (''Phylloscopus inornatus''); one obtained by Tristram at ] in 1864<ref name=Handbook/> | |||
| '''Family: ]'''; Cisticolas and allies | |||
| And that affected precisely how many Jews of the total world Jewry and what other religious factions were being persecuted at the time? | |||
| * ] (''Cisticola cisticola''); locally common resident<ref name=Handbook/><ref name=Gsb/> | |||
| ==]== | |||
| * ] (''Scotocerca inquieta''); uncommon resident <ref name=Handbook/> | |||
| For the removal of Israelophile Myth, legends and general BS. | |||
| * ]/Graceful Prinia (''Prinia gracilis''); common resident<ref name=Handbook/> | |||
| 82% of the Yishuv were townies. | |||
| '''Family: ]'''; Pipits and wagtails | |||
| Chapter 3 Population | |||
| * ] (''Anthus richardi'') | |||
| Census of 1922.The last census was taken in 1922, and showed the total population as being 757,182, of whom 590,890 were Mohammedans, 83,794 Jews and 82,498 Christians and others. The division between the town and agricultural population was as follows : | |||
| * ] (''Anthus campestris'') | |||
| * ] (''Anthus trivialis'')<ref name=Gsb/> | |||
| * ] (''Anthus pratensis'') | |||
| * ] (''Anthus cervinus'') | |||
| * ] (''Anthus spinoletta'') | |||
| * ] (''Anthus rubescens'') | |||
| * ] (''Motacilla flava'')<ref name=Gazelle/> | |||
| Town areas | |||
| * ] (''Motacilla citreola'') | |||
| Mohammedans 139,074 | |||
| * ] (''Motacilla cinerea'') | |||
| Jews 68,622 | |||
| * ] (''Motacilla alba'')<ref name=shep></ref> | |||
| Christians and others 56,621 | |||
| Rural areas: | |||
| Mohammedans 451,816 | |||
| Jews 15,172 | |||
| Christians and others 25,877 | |||
| '''Family: ]'''; Buntings | |||
| plus the Bedu population should also be added: | |||
| * ] (''Emberiza cineracea'') | |||
| Distribution of population.In this estimate the Bedu population has been taken at the same figure as in 1922. The local distribution of this population is as follows : | |||
| * ] (''Emberiza caesia'')<ref name=Gsb/> | |||
| * ] (''Emberiza melanocephala'') | |||
| * ] (''Emberiza sahari'')<ref name=pwlsjor/> | |||
| * ] (''Emberiza hortulana'')<ref name=Gsb/><ref name=pwlsjrum/> | |||
| * ] (''Emberiza leucocephalos'') | |||
| * ] (''Emberiza schoeniclus'')<ref name=Gsb/> | |||
| * ] (''Emberiza cia'')<ref name=Gsb/><ref name=shep/> | |||
| * ] (''Emberiza citrinella'') | |||
| * ] (''Miliaria calandra'')<ref name=Gsb/><ref name=shep/> | |||
| Urban population 340,962 | |||
| Rural population 501,968 | |||
| Tribal population 103,331 | |||
| '''Family: ]''' | |||
| Hope Simpson report Chapter 3 pages 24 to 29 | |||
| * ] (''Lonchura malabarica'') | |||
| "Members of the fourth Aliyah which commenced in 1924 chose largely to live in the towns."..."The settlement movement was practically deadlocked and was not revived until the early 1930s." Anita Shapira (1984) Berl: The Biography of a Socialist Zionist, Berl Katznelson, 1887-1944 CUP Archive, ISBN 0521256186 p 154 & p 156 | |||
| '''Family: ]''' Finches | |||
| Jewish urban population 1948 | |||
| Jerusalem 1948 80,000 | |||
| Tel Aviv 1948 200,000 | |||
| Haifa 1948 70,000 | |||
| Tiberias 1948 6,000 | |||
| Safed 1948 1,700 | |||
| Netanya 1948 11,600 | |||
| Peta Tikva 1948 22,000. | |||
| * ] (''Fringilla coelebs'')<ref name=shep/> | |||
| Benvenisti, Meron (2002) Sacred Landscape: The Buried History of the Holy Land Since 1948 Translated by Maxine Kaufman-Lacusta University of California Press, ISBN 0520234227 p 180 | |||
| * ] (''Fringilla montifringilla'')<ref name=Gsb/> | |||
| * ] (''Serinus serinus'') | |||
| 1948 83.3% of Israelis were townies. | |||
| * ] (''Serinus syriacus'') | |||
| * ] (''Carduelis chloris'')<ref name=shep/> | |||
| ergo sum est the myth of the Israeli being a farmer/pioneer is dispelled. | |||
| * ] (''Carduelis carduelis'')<ref name=shep/> | |||
| * ] (''Carduelis spinus'') | |||
| * ] (''Carduelis cannabina'')<ref name=Gsb/><ref name=shep/> | |||
| * ] (''Rhodospiza obsoleta'') | |||
| ==al Ameer son check== | |||
| Someone tell ] to check the co-ords section above for putting co-ords into ], ].] (]) 21:53, 20 November 2008 (UTC) | |||
| :Did it. Hope I´m not blocked for editing by proxy for blocked user! ;-D Take care, ] (]) 10:28, 21 November 2008 (UTC) | |||
| * ] (''Coccothraustes coccothraustes'')<ref name=Gsb/> | |||
| You could've done them all while you were there..] (]) 13:14, 21 November 2008 (UTC) | |||
| :Hey, I´m working at it! Actually my priority now is to add some stuff from books I have ...especially I should really be working on Cinema of Palestine, as I have the two books on that on loan from out-of town-libraries ...until early next month...but Al Ameer son and Tiamut have nominated these other articles for DYK-status...and you have to do that within a week of creating/expanding them..which leaves me a bit stressed! ...and therefore I only add the coords for the nominated articles, ok? (Please don´t get blocked in the future, we NEED you!) ] (]) 13:23, 21 November 2008 (UTC) | |||
| * ] (''Carpodacus synoicus'') | |||
| 5 Days for DYK nom. (what's wrong with working at nights you can sleep later, unless another emergency comes up that is). You've got 2 eyes so read 2 books, 2 hands so type on 2 keyboards, 2 feet useful for turning pages. Excuses excuses don't give me excuses it's results that count.....:-)...] (]) 13:58, 21 November 2008 (UTC) | |||
| :LOL! yes, and I have thought of creating two or three sock-puppets so they could do the work, in parallell with me...;-P ] (]) 14:03, 21 November 2008 (UTC) | |||
| That's more like it get to it...] (]) 14:21, 21 November 2008 (UTC) | |||
| * ] (''Bucanetes githagineus'')<ref name=Gsb/><ref name=pwlsjru/> | |||
| * ] (''Loxia curvirostra'')<ref name=Gsb/> | |||
| '''Family: ]''' | |||
| ==Bethlehem== | |||
| ==Mamre Picture== | |||
| Many thanks Huldra, Pictures always help (I forgot to thank you for it earlier)..] (]) 00:12, 25 November 2008 (UTC) | |||
| * ] (''Remiz pendulinus'')<ref name=Gsb/> | |||
| ==Coastal road raid== | |||
| Force called Deir yassin ''A War of Words: Political Violence and Public Debate in Israel'' By Gerald Cromer | |||
| Published by Routledge, 2004 ISBN 0714656313 p 30 | |||
| '''Family: ]''' | |||
| ==relevance of Israeli documentation== | |||
| Israeli and Palestinian Narratives of Conflict: History's Double Helix By Robert I. Rotberg | |||
| Published by Indiana University Press, 2006 ISBN 0253218578 p 99 | |||
| * ] (''Prunella modularis''); fairly common WV<ref name=Handbook/> | |||
| ==]== | |||
| 'Only the demented inhabit the alleys of Deir Yassin.The psychotic and the schizophrenic, the paranoid and the clinically depressed, are now the owners of Deir Yassin' Anton La Guardia (2002) '''War Without End: Israelis, Palestinians, and the Struggle for a Promised Land''' Thomas Dunne Books, ISBN 0312276699 p 195 | |||
| '''Family: ]; | |||
| revenge.Bregman Ahron (2002) Israel's Wars: A History Since 1947 Routledge, ISBN 0415287162, p 20 | |||
| * ] (''Passer moabiticus'') | |||
| The Road to Jerusalem: Glubb Pasha, Palestine and the Jews By Benny Morris Published by I.B.Tauris, 2003 ISBN 1860649890 p 264 footnote 327 | |||
| * ] (''Passer domesticus'')<ref name=shep/> | |||
| * ] (''Passer hispaniolensis'')<ref name=pwlsjor/> | |||
| * ] (''Petronia brachydactyla'') | |||
| Israel and the American National Interest: A Critical Examination By Cheryl A. Rubenberg Published by University of Illinois Press, 1989 ISBN 0252060741 p 46. 2 Diff versions of Begin's Revolt. 1951 revolt no mention of 'Arab propaganda' 1970s version stops mentioning the 'good' Israel received and inserted 'Arab propaganda in place. | |||
| '''Family: ]''' | |||
| In Search of Fatima: A Palestinian Story By Ghada Karmi Published by Verso, 2004 ISBN 1859845614 p 125 | |||
| * ] (''Parus major'')<ref name=shep/> | |||
| Nasr, Kameel B. (1997) Arab and Israeli Terrorism: The Causes and Effects of Political Violence, 1936-1993 McFarland, | |||
| ISBN 0786402806 p 22 | |||
| '''Family: ]''' | |||
| == Greetings == | |||
| * ] (''Turdoides squamiceps'') | |||
| Sorry to learn about your trouble, Ashley. This does seem a travesty to me, and almost like double standards. But, as we all know, Misplaced Pages is not abiout truth, but verifiability! Hope to see you back and editing properly soon. ] (]) 12:05, 25 November 2008 (UTC) | |||
| '''Family: ]''' | |||
| no trouble, just marking time and writing articles to drop into place later...] (]) 12:41, 25 November 2008 (UTC) | |||
| * ] (''Oriolus oriolus'') | |||
| ==]== | |||
| '''Jerusalem Municipality methods of Land expropriation''' and zoning have been used to maintain a Jewish Jerusalem by expropriating Palestinian land while excluding the Palestinian West Bank Population of the surrounding Palestinian villages. | |||
| '''Family''': ] | |||
| Israel has expropriated and annexed land merely to advantage Jewish settlers from Israel, and used a great variety of legal or quasi-legal means to disguise the illegitimacy of its policies. One method used is when substantial areas of land surrounding a Palestinian village are expropriated by the Israeli authorities, for the establishment of a military zone. The Palestinian village at this time being zoned as ‘Green’. Palestinian residents are not accorded building permits under the pretext of being located in a “Green Zone” or because they do not hold Jerusalem I.D. The military zone is then transferred to a Jewish settlement for which a development plan is then produced. Thus Jewish Israeli settlements encroach on areas that had not been annexed to the Jerusalem municipality in a method that is quasi legal in Israel. This method has been used on ], ], ] ] (land expropriated from the 4 preceding villages for the expansion of ] ), ].<ref></ref><ref></ref><ref></ref><ref>Cohen, Shaul Ephraim (1993) The Politics of Planting: Israeli-Palestinian Competition for Control of Land in the Jerusalem Periphery University of Chicago Press, ISBN 0226112764 pp 139-145</ref> Nusseibeh<ref>Holzman-Gazit, Yifat (2007) Land Expropriation in Israel: Law, Culture and Society Ashgate Publishing, Ltd., ISBN 0754625435 p 162</ref> | |||
| * ] (''Pycnonotus barbatus'') The bulbul, a festive songbird that is common in Wadi El Bazan, Wadi Al Qilt and Ein Qeenia.<ref name=Wrmea></ref><ref name=twip/> | |||
| Harassment of Palestinian residents.<ref></ref> Palestinian Arab East Jerusalem received five percent of the municipal budget.<ref>Benvenisti, Meron (2007) Son of the Cypresses: Memories, Reflections, and Regrets from a Political Life Translated by Maxine Kaufman-Lacusta University of California Press, ISBN 0520238257 p 78</ref> Expropriation of church land on the ].<ref>Amir S. Cheshin, Bill Hutman, AVI Melamed (2001) Separate and Unequal: The Inside Story of Israeli Rule in East Jerusalem Harvard University Press, ISBN 0674005538 p 48</ref> ] Zoning to restrict growth.<ref>Amir S. Cheshin, Bill Hutman, AVI Melamed (2001) Ibid p 52</ref> ] where the Jerusalem Municipal authority collect taxes but provide the bare minimum of services, especially when compared to the Jewish settlements of Ma'ale Adumim, the UNRWA and the Palestinian National Authority’s Department of Palestinian Refugee Affairs has supplied services normally provided by a municipal authority (repairs to water <ref>Ruth Lapidoth, Ruth Eschelbacher Lapidoth, Moshe Hirsch (1994) The Jerusalem Question and Its Resolution: Selected Documents Martinus Nijhoff Publishers, ISBN 0792328930 p 224</ref> and sewage systems, electrical line, roads, nursery schools and other youth facilities).<ref name="Shufat2"> Talhami, Ghada Hashem (2003) Palestinian Refugees: Pawns to Political Actors Nova Publishers, ISBN 1590336496 p126</ref> The Israeli authorities has implemented a series of complex strategies coupling confiscation and expropriation of Palestinian land. In September 1995 the Jerusalem Municipality announced its intention to expropriate 380 dunums of Palestinian land from the Jerusalem suburbs of Shufat.<ref>Karmi, Ghada (1997) Jerusalem Today: What Future for the Peace Process? Ithaca Press, ISBN 0863722261 p xii</ref> A lack of investment in the town of Shaufat.<ref>Alain Gresh, (2004) Dominique Vidal The New A-Z of the Middle East: Second Edition I.B.Tauris, ISBN 1860643264, p 173</ref> In order to contain any possible expansion of ], the Israeli authorities expropriated some 20,000 dunams from Anata in order to build the West Bank settlements of ], ], ] and ] which, together with their service roads and the Anatot military base, completely circumscribe Anata, which is isolated from its remaining agricultural lands. | |||
| '''Family: ]''' | |||
| see also | |||
| * ] (''Cinnyris oseus'')a small black bird with glittering iridescent colours prevalent in desert areas.<ref name=Wrmea/> | |||
| Karmi Ghada (1997) Jerusalem Today: What Future for the Peace Process? Ithaca Press, ISBN 0863722261 | |||
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| *Benvenisti, Meron (2007) Son of the Cypresses: Memories, Reflections, and Regrets from a Political Life Translated by Maxine Kaufman-Lacusta University of California Press, ISBN 0520238257 | |||
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| *Amir S. Cheshin, Bill Hutman, AVI Melamed (2001) Separate and Unequal: The Inside Story of Israeli Rule in East Jerusalem Harvard University Press, ISBN 0674005538 | |||
| |style="font-size: x-large; padding: 0; vertical-align: middle; height: 1.1em;" | '''The Working Man's Barnstar''' | |||
| *Cohen, Shaul Ephraim (1993) The Politics of Planting: Israeli-Palestinian Competition for Control of Land in the Jerusalem Periphery University of Chicago Press, ISBN 0226112764 | |||
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| *Holzman-Gazit, Yifat (2007) Land Expropriation in Israel: Law, Culture and Society Ashgate Publishing, Ltd., ISBN 0754625435 | |||
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| *Ruth Lapidoth, Ruth Eschelbacher Lapidoth, Moshe Hirsch (1994) The Jerusalem Question and Its Resolution: Selected Documents Martinus Nijhoff Publishers, ISBN 0792328930 | |||
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| *Talhami, Ghada Hashem (2003) Palestinian Refugees: Pawns to Political Actors Nova Publishers, ISBN 1590336496 | |||
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| ==Beit ar-Rush al-Tahta== | |||
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| ==]== | |||
| | name = Beit ar-Rush al-Tahta | |||
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| | translit_lang1_info = بِيت ال روشْ التَ حتَا | |||
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| ({{langx|ar|<big>بِيت ال روشْ التَ حتَا</big>}}) p. 120 | |||
| ===Deir al 'Asal at Tahta=== | |||
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| == Muhammad Abu Maher Ghneim == | |||
| ]/ Muhammad Abu Maher Ghneim | |||
| ==], dead links== | |||
| alive again | |||
| Note; Ghneim along with ] amongst the numerous Fatah activists and leaders who refused to "return" to the still-occupied West Bank and Gaza after Oslo, arguing that to do so would place Fatah too tightly under the thumb of Israel's occupation regime. | |||
| Nigel Craig Parsons (2005) The politics of the Palestinian Authority: from Oslo to al-Aqsa Publisher Routledge, {{ISBN|0415944406}} p 136 | |||
| ==PLO== | |||
| After the appointment of Ariel Sharon to the post of Minister of defence in 1981, the Israeli government policy of allowing political growth to occur in the occupied West Bank and Gaza strip changed. The Israeli government tried, unsuccessfully, to dictate terms of political growth by replacing local pro-PLO leaders with an Israeli civil administration. <ref>Shaul Mishal, Ranan D. Kuperman, David Boas (2001) Investment in Peace: Politics of Economic Cooperation Between Israel, Jordan, and the Palestinian Authority Sussex Academic Press, ISBN 1902210883 p 64</ref> | |||
| The Coordinator of the Israeli Army Activities in the Palestinian occupied territories Shlomo Dor announced Israel's approval of the return of Al-Qaddumi and Abu Maher Ghneim and refused the return of Nayef Hawatmeh. | |||
| ==War of Independence== | |||
| originally termed 'War of Liberation'<ref>Anita Shapira, and Derek Jonathan Penslar (2003) Israeli Historical Revisionism: From Left to Right Routledge, ISBN 0714653799 p 71</ref> | |||
| :In a play on words, in Hebrew "War of Independence" ("Milhemet Atzmaut") is sometimes referred to as "War of Bones" ("Milhemet Atzamot"). ] (]) 09:35, 3 December 2008 (UTC) | |||
| One or two other newspaper articles for ref to Muhammad Abu Maher Ghneim for ] | |||
| It was also originally seen as a liberation from British colonialism....It was latter termed as War of Independence....The war of liberation started in 1945 with the Irgun declaration of war....] (]) 03:40, 4 December 2008 (UTC) | |||
| ==Shalit== | |||
| ''On June 29, 2006, four days after Shalit was kidnapped, Israel arrested dozens of Hamas members throughout the West Bank and East Jerusalem, including eight ministers in the Hamas government and some 20 Hamas parliamentarians. Others were arrested in the following weeks.'' | |||
| http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3754325,00.html Ramallah: Warm welcome for 'Abbas' heir' by Ali Waked Published YNet News 29 July 2009 | |||
| ''Though Israel never said so officially, it was clear that this was retaliation for Shalit's abduction, and that the detainees were meant to serve as bargaining chips for his release. At the time, senior legal and defense officials said the arrests "spearheaded" efforts to get Shalit back.'' <ref> 30 November 2008 Israel to free Hamas 'bargaining chips' arrested over Shalit kidnapping By Amos Harel and Avi Issacharoff</ref> | |||
| According to media reports, one of Fatah's founders - Muhammad Ghneim - arrived Wednesday from Tunisia. The Syrian delegates are expected to arrive on Thursday. These delegates will be entering the West Bank through the Allenby Bridge crossing from Jordan. | |||
| ==Children and== | |||
| Israeli, Raphael (2002) Jerusalem Divided: The Armistice Regime, 1947-1967 Routledge, ISBN 0714652660 p 5 | |||
| http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1248277925059&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull Netanyahu: 'Crossings shut until Schalit freed' By HERB KEINON Published Jerusalem Post 29 July 2009 | |||
| ==Palestinian vehicle licensing== | |||
| http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1103776.html Israel allows Fatah hard-liner to enter West Bank following Abbas request Published Ha,artez 29 July 2009 | |||
| Vehicle Testing Centre is the only accredited vehicles testing institution in the West Bank. | |||
| http://www.spa.gov.sa/english/details.php?id=688667 Saudi Press Agency 29 July 2009 | |||
| The following table shows the latest statistics of vehicles counts in the year | |||
| 2006. | |||
| Petrol vehicles Diesel vehicles Total | |||
| West Bank 91931 37365 129296 | |||
| Gaza Strip 42271 15074 57345 | |||
| Total All 134202 52439 186641 | |||
| Ironically, Qaddumi was the chief beneficiary of Arafat's death: he succeeded Arafat as the party's general secretary. His decision to boycott Bethlehem means he will lose this role. Abbas has won a first-round, pre-conference victory by bringing another senior rejectionist, Muhammad Ghneim, on board, while sidelining Qaddumi and cutting his funding as a warning to all recalcitrant leaders abroad. | |||
| Qaddumi may have been sidelined, but his case illustrates many of Fatah's problems. | |||
| http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2009/aug/04/fatah-conference-palestinian Reforming Fatah from the grassroots up | |||
| http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/8194552.stm Young leaders dominate Fatah vote Published BBC News 11 August 2009 | |||
| http://www.gulf-times.com/site/topics/article.asp?cu_no=2&item_no=309180&version=1&template_id=46&parent_id=26 Key Fatah panel gets new faces By Rachelle Kliger and Helda Eriqat/Bethlehem, West Bank Published Gulf Times 16 August 2009 | |||
| ==settler attacks== | |||
| http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/132658 One Arafat Co-Terrorist Returns, Second Goes to Jail by Maayana Miskin Published Arutz Sheva 30 July 2009 | |||
| Muhammad Ghneim (also known as Abu Maher Ghneim), | |||
| http://saudigazette.com.sa/index.cfm?method=home.regcon&contentID=2009081246509 Fatah ‘coup’ by young leaders Published Saudi Gazette | |||
| Beit Shaan 19 Nov 1974 Williams, Louis (1975) Military Aspects of the Israeli-Arab Conflict , Transaction Publishers, ISBN 0878552278 p 89 | |||
| http://www.reuters.com/article/latestCrisis/idUSLC73906 FACTBOX-Final results of Fatah Central Committee vote Reuters 12 August 2009 | |||
| Fateh is preparing for its Sixth Conference in Bethlehem scheduled to take place on August 4 amid internal controversies and international diplomatic efforts. While Israel has allowed a number of Fateh leaders outside to enter Palestine to attend the conference, including top Fateh man Abu Maher Ghneim, | |||
| <blockquote> | |||
| 88. Two new settlements were set up in "Judea", called Maon and Carmel. These two settlements were to be Nahal outposts at first and were later to be occupied by "Gush Emunim", and were part of what Prime Minister Begin had called "the last 10 settlements" to be established on the West Bank. (Jerusalem Post, 13 January; Asha'b, 14 January) Ha'aretz, 9 January) Al Fajr Weekly, 18-24 January 1981). | |||
| </blockquote> | |||
| http://www.miftah.org/Display.cfm?DocId=20198&CategoryId=10 Fateh Conference Surrounded by Controversy, International Diplomacy Published MIFTA 01 August 2009 | |||
| ==What's the fear of schoolgirls called?== | |||
| In addition, Abu Mazen personally is still wavering over whether to run as a Fatah candidate in the next presidential elections. In all the press interviews he has held recently, he has refused to clarify his plans. However, sources within Fatah have indicated that the Palestinian president is studying the possibility of not nominating himself and that deliberations are currently in progress within the faction over an alternative candidate. One possibility, according to a recent leak from within Fatah, is Abu Maher Ghneim, head of the movement's organisational committee. Yet the prospect of Ghneim's candidacy is difficult to imagine, firstly because he is vehemently opposed to Oslo and secondly because he refuses to return to the West Bank as long as it is under Israeli occupation. | |||
| Halhul in December 1980 when 28 schoolgirls were ordered to report with their parents to the military Headquarters every day for one month and to remain there from 8.30 to 14.00 hours. | |||
| http://weekly.ahram.org.eg/2007/860/re5.htm 'No elections if Hamas will win' by Saleh Al-Naami Published Al-Ahram 30 August - 5 September 2007 | |||
| ==]== | |||
| Kaddoumi's camp, largely made of men born in pre-state Palestine but who spent most of their lives in Syria and elsewhere in the Arab world, also includes veteran Fatah leaders and Oslo opponents Muhammad Ghneim (Abu Mahir) and Sahkr Habash. It derives what strength it has from largely hollow PLO institutions abroad and its element of control over Palestinian legations around the world. | |||
| <blockquote> | |||
| 72. A ring of settlements, bordering on Jerusalem, was to be established along the Ramot-Nabi samwil-Givon road; 500 dunams of land were allocated for a new settlement in the Nabi Samwil area (north-west of Jerusalem); two communal settlements, Tel Hadasha (200 dunams) and Givat Zeev (200 dunams), were to be integrated in this urgan network. Construction was to start in 1981. The areas were located on "State-owned land", in part belonging to the HIMANUTA company, i.e., a company registered in the name of HIMANUTA, an affiliate of the Jewish National Fund; another part is "State-owned land" administered by and registered the name of the Israel Land Administration. (Ma'ariv, 15 December; Ha'aretz, 15 and 31 December; Asha'b, 15 and 16 December 1980; Al Fajr Weekly, 4-10 January 1981) | |||
| http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/pages/ShArt.jhtml?itemNo=500568&displayTypeCd=1&sideCd=1&contrassID=2 Background / Arafat's rival heirs - a field guide By Bradley Burston, Haaretz Correspondent Published Ha’aretz November 2004 | |||
| </blockquote> | |||
| Fatah central committee member Muhammad Ghneim stated: "The Palestinian people... have set the end of September as the last date to achieve a settlement realizing the hopes... the right of return for the refugees. Resolution 242 alone is not the basis for a Palestinian-Israeli reconciliation... any disregard of the other resolutions such as 181 and 194 will leave the wound open and the conflict valid." Al-Ayyam, 20 July, 2000. | |||
| http://www.memri.org/bin/articles.cgi?Page=archives&Area=sd&ID=SP13200#_edn3 Middle East Media research Institute. 06 October, 2000 | |||
| ==What's the difference between a religious school and a “Hesder Merkaz”== | |||
| One gets religious training the other military training. Merkaz Ha'rav, is the ideological centre for religious | |||
| messianic Zionism, combining Talmudic studies with military training in its educational program. This is known in Hebrew as “Hesder Merkaz”. | |||
| ...] (]) 03:40, 23 August 2009 (UTC) | |||
| == Possibility of gaming post 30 august? == | |||
| ==Lebanon== | |||
| The use of internet networking tools is gaining in use world wide- don't miss this excellent opportunity to gain valuable information to enhance your networking skills online. The lecture/workshop is being organized by CoHaV, a coalition of hasbara volunteers. | |||
| Lebanon and Arabism: National Identity and State Formation By Raghīd Ṣulḥ, Centre for Lebanese Studies (Great Britain) Published by I.B.Tauris, 2004 ISBN 1860640516...Interesting book | |||
| ==]== | |||
| networking organised by hasbara? I guess we'll all be looking forwards to that one.] (]) 02:14, 24 August 2009 (UTC) | |||
| Captured? Rather beggars the question from who? Using Captured is showing ignorance of the Hebron notables invitation to Jordan. Occupied certainly, captured no. | |||
| ==refs for requested article ]== | |||
| ==]== | |||
| <s>*Coords Fountain of Qayt Bay 31° 46’ 39.94’’ N 35° 14’ 04.57’’ E</s> Done. Thanks! ] (]) 15:58, 5 December 2008 (UTC) | |||
| *] 31° 46’ 33’’ N 35° 14’ 08’’ note 2’’ south of the position given in the article (the current coords in the article are for the front entrance to al-Aqsa)...] (]) 20:00, 4 December 2008 (UTC) I´m not sure how to insert this... ] (]) 15:58, 5 December 2008 (UTC) | |||
| First of the four dramatic and rather violent moments was the 1657 Ottoman military campaign, which sought to restore central control in southern Syria. This campaign introduced a new and stable group of ruling families to Jabal Nablus, families that came to dominate the region’s political life well into the nineteenth century.... | |||
| <s>*]...coords 32° 38’ 00’’ N 34° 56’ 00’’ E (the thing is degrees minutes and seconds only go up to 359°, 59’, 59’’...you can't have seconds of 60, 59 yes 60 no. you need to move the minutes up one and make it 00 seconds or make the seconds 59. The number after 59 is 00)</s> Done. Thanks! ] (]) 15:46, 5 December 2008 (UTC) | |||
| Beshara Doumani (1995) Rediscovering Palestine: merchants and peasants in Jabal Nablus, 1700-1900 Publisher University of California Press, {{ISBN|0520203704}} pp 34-40 | |||
| Sultan ] Grand Vizier ] | |||
| <s>*] coords 32° 49’ 52.83’’ N 35° 14’ 55.33’’ E </s> Done. Thanks! ] (]) 15:58, 5 December 2008 (UTC) | |||
| Follow the money. | |||
| I've only got a few days to go so I'll take care of any outstanding co-ords....] (]) 16:23, 5 December 2008 (UTC) | |||
| Trade routes: | |||
| *] coords 32° 41’ 44.12’’ N 35° 14’ 22.18’’ E note ] note also a classic case of spurious history with ] where the biblical Nahalal is written up under the village of Nahalal which has nothing to do with biblical ], but Ma'alul does? | |||
| *India-Basra Damascus Aleppo-Istanbul. Indian cotton, Iranian silk and Syrian silk. | |||
| *] coords 32° 38’ 11.32’’ N 35° 22’ 52.55’’ E | |||
| *Yemen-Cairo-Gaza-Damascus-Aleppo –Istanbul. Yemen Coffee. | |||
| *] coords 32° 40’ 40.29’’ N 35° 14’ 30.53’’ E | |||
| Traders: | |||
| == Categories == | |||
| *by Levant Company (Armenian French conglomerate)trading centres; western Mediterranean and Levant. | |||
| *by East India Company. Trading centres; India and Basra. | |||
| *by Venetian Traders. (Venetian traders losing out to Dutch and English traders) | |||
| *by French Caravani-transportation rather than traders. | |||
| During the war against the Venetians (], ]) | |||
| Hi, I'm puzzled by a of yours that I just came across, where you added ] as a parent cat of ]. I'm wondering if it was an inadvertent error, or if you may have been perhaps slightly confused as to the proper "nesting" of categories -- an all too common mistake, trust me! :) In any event, I've already removed it, but I'd like to understand what you may have had in mind with the edit. Regards, ] (]) 10:40, 6 December 2008 (UTC) | |||
| ==Cats== | |||
| Recently? That's over a month ago. Inadvertent error on "nesting" of categories...I was familarising myself with the nesting of cats at the time I was rudely interrupted by a POV pusher....] (]) 11:02, 6 December 2008 (UTC) | |||
| Category: Arab neighborhoods in Jerusalem needs a GeoGroupTemplate | |||
| ==Jewish terrorism== | |||
| == ] == | |||
| ''Yesterday the left-leaning Ha'aretz newspaper described their actions in Hebron this week as "Jewish terrorism".'' | |||
| I noticed you have made a number of edits to this article and I have proposed deleting/moving/redoing it and drawn up a very rough draft of a replacement. If you're interested, please read my comments on the ] and respond if you have any thoughts. --] (]) 23:28, 27 August 2009 (UTC) | |||
| == targeted assassination == | |||
| As I am presently unable to respond on the ] I'll put some thoughts here. | |||
| 1. Yes it should be ] rather than a list. | |||
| == Herodium == | |||
| 2. founding in 1948 not 1956. 1956 was an extension of peacekeeping missions; for a more rapid response force (and armed) rather than the observer role of UNTSO. note ], it would look mighty peculiar to have UN peacekeeping prior to UN peacekeeping being founded. | |||
| 3. Canadian Prime Minister Lester Pearson's policing proposal of 1956 (Nobel prize 1957) constituted an extension of peacekeeping principles (supervisory police), building on well-established foundations. | |||
| == Jacob's Well == | |||
| *] coords 32° 00’ 10.65’’ N 35° 06’ 51.94’’ E | |||
| *] coords 31° 54’ 05.48’’ N 35° 12’ 20.92’’ E | |||
| 4. "failure to deliver food to starving people in Somalia" as delivering food aid is not a peacekeepers job I may be getting the erroneous impression that you are compiling a list of anti-UN rhetoric? Especially as you have omitted all the successful peace keeping missions. | |||
| == Right wing extremists say it was shin bet? == | |||
| 5. I shall certainly be chipping in on UN peacekeepers in the future.] (]) 00:45, 28 August 2009 (UTC) | |||
| conspiracy theorists eat your heart out. | |||
| :I have taken into account your comments 2 & 3, or attempted to. As for #4, that passage was copy/pasted from another article, however, the distribution of food aid was one of the major objectives and justifications for UNOSOM I & II and UNITAF, authorized to "to use all necessary means to establish a secure environment for humanitarian relief operations in Somalia as soon as possible." A few links on food ] and . That was mostly a criticism of UNOSOM I, as UNITAF and UNOSOM II were much more effective. | |||
| <blockquote> | |||
| :The section is not anti-UN rhetoric, it is where the criticisms of UN peacekeeping are noted. These criticisms exist and they have to be in the article. the previous paragraph is very positive, "seven of eight countries at peace", "decline in global violence", etc. However, it did seem to end the article on a low note and I have added some UN responses to these criticisms in the following paragraph. I have also expanded the history section so that nearly all missions get a mention. discussions of success/failure could be incorporated there, but I do want to avoid it becoming another list (UNTAG-Success; MONUC-Failure or something like that). I look forward to your contributions. --] (]) 01:50, 29 August 2009 (UTC) | |||
| A right-wing organization urged Attorney General Menachem Mazuz yesterday to open an investigation into whether the pipe bomb that wounded Prof. Zeev Sternhell last week was a provocation carried out by the Shin Bet security service. The Campaign for Saving the People and the Country claims that the bombing, generally believed to have been carried out by right-wing extremists in response to Sternhell's left-wing political activism, was a provocation aimed at turning public opinion against the settlers to make future evacuations easier. "The timing and nature of the operation leave no room for doubt it was the work of a provocateur," it wrote. (Ofra Edelman) | |||
| </blockquote> | |||
| It is still not peacekeepers job to distribute food. They make an area secure but do not distribute. It is up to other aid agencies to carry out the distribution. Only anti-UN rhetoric would misguide or obfuscate in such a manner as to suggest that the UN peacekeepers should act outside their given mandate (normally set by the SC, so blame the SC for the wrong mandate). | |||
| ==Glad to see you back== | |||
| Up and editing without using proxies. ;) Thanks for all your help in providing coordinates and corrections. If you ever need anything, do let me know. ]<sup>]</sup> 14:17, 9 December 2008 (UTC) | |||
| I agree it should not be a list as a list is already in existence. There is a great need for the history of peacekeepers and their limitations imposed by the mandates. It's a very large subject. I only pushed the actual founding into the original and left the list due to the amount of time that would be needed to cover the subject...] (]) 02:07, 29 August 2009 (UTC) | |||
| :Yes, I know NoCal and yes I think he was definitely a former user, and I suspect I may know which one, though I don't have any evidence for it, and so I won't say so here. I looked at the report. I don't like I would add anything to it there, but if you do decide to open an RfC, I might have some things to contribute. Personally, at this juncture however, I'd prefer to write articles. Senseless disputes have been taking up too much of my time lately. Cheers and good luck. ]<sup>]</sup> 19:30, 9 December 2008 (UTC) | |||
| and they called that a success, only because the US demanded that they led. | |||
| ::Yes, when people disruptively delete things first and respond to questions in an evasive fashion only later, it makes writing the articles hard. Which is why if you think this is a serious problem (i.e. its preventing you and others from writing good articles) you should follow up on it. I'm just exhausted after days of circular debate with people who can't stand the word "Palestine" at ] and do not feel like tangling with others again right now. Didn't mean to discourage you or make you feel that doing so wrong. Cheers. ]<sup>]</sup> 19:43, 9 December 2008 (UTC) | |||
| Thanks Nishidani..] (]) 01:16, 28 August 2009 (UTC) | |||
| Hi, glad to see you back! (but ooopsh....from what Avi says below here, I have been acting like a meatpuppet for you, by inserting coord into articles... ;) oh well, Hope I´m not blocked for that! Anyway, very nice to see you back. ] (]) 23:11, 9 December 2008 (UTC) | |||
| == C O'S and Sock/Meatpuppetry == | |||
| ===refs=== | |||
| Hello, Ashley. Firstly, even if there are two separate people involved, if Person B is making edits for person A, on wikipedia that is called meatpuppetry and is treated like sockpuppetry. I think you have two routes to take. In general, blocks/bans may be address on ], but I am uncertain that will work as this is a CU block, checked by two CU's. My suggestion to you and Charlie would be to e-mail ArbCom. They all have the CU bit, and even if not, are allowed to receive the information. If this truly is a case where you and Charlie are separate people, and were unaware that making edits on each other's behalf was forbidden, it is possible that they will lift the block (perhaps with an eye to prevent future occurrences). There is an ArbCom e-mail list, and all ArbCom members have their respective e-mail addresses active. Thank you, and good luck. -- ] (]) 14:53, 9 December 2008 (UTC) | |||
| :A pleasure. -- ] (]) 16:56, 9 December 2008 (UTC) | |||
| It is always better to understand the organisation before putting in criticism. Some helpful reading (the last, Keeping the peace, is probably the best work to start with):- | |||
| == RE:] == | |||
| Well, it could certainly be added to, and thankfully you're off blocking! Thanks so much for all the coordinates, and WP Palestine looks forward to your return. Cheers! --] (]) 17:43, 9 December 2008 (UTC) | |||
| :I'm not sure, perhaps the Administrators board. Maybe Tiamut knows? --] (]) 22:08, 9 December 2008 (UTC) | |||
| David S. Sorenson, Pia Christina Wood (2005) The politics of peacekeeping in the post-cold war era Publisher Routledge, {{ISBN|0714684880}} | |||
| == Note == | |||
| Lise Morjé Howard (2008) UN peacekeeping in civil wars Publisher Cambridge University Press, {{ISBN|0521881382}} | |||
| All due respect to concerns about improprieties, is improper and should probably be toned down IMHO.<br> | |||
| Cordially, <b><font face="Arial" color="teal">]</font><font color="1F860E"><sup>'']''</sup></font></b> 19:27, 10 December 2008 (UTC) | |||
| Michael W. Doyle, Nicholas Sambanis (2006) Making war and building peace: United Nations peace operations Publisher Princeton University Press, {{ISBN|069112275X}} | |||
| ==Archiving assistance== | |||
| Hi Ashley, would it be alright if I setup an archive bot for your talkpage? Currently it's over 100K, and some people's browsers start having trouble with anything over 32K. But I could set up an automated utility to archive any inactive threads, and then you wouldn't have to worry about it anymore? Let me know, --]]] 18:15, 12 December 2008 (UTC) | |||
| Stephen John Stedman, Donald S. Rothchild, Elizabeth M. Cousens (2002) Ending civil wars: the implementation of peace agreements Publisher Lynne Rienner Publishers, {{ISBN|1588260836}} | |||
| Michael W. Doyle, Ian Johnstone, Robert C. Orr (1997) Keeping the Peace: Multidimensional UN Operations in Cambodia and El Salvador Publisher Cambridge University Press, {{ISBN|0521588375}} | |||
| ==3RR Warning== | |||
| ] You currently appear to be engaged in an ]{{#if:Banias|  according to the reverts you have made on ]}}. Note that the ] prohibits making more than three reversions on a single page within a 24 hour period. Additionally, users who perform a large number of reversions in content disputes may be blocked for edit warring, even if they do not technically violate the ]. If you continue, '''you may be ] from editing'''. Please do not repeatedly revert edits, but use the talk page to work towards wording and content that gains a ] among editors. If necessary, pursue ]. {{#if:|{{{2}}}|}}<!-- Template:uw-3rr --> ] (]) 18:30, 12 December 2008 (UTC) | |||
| == |
==Ayn Ghazal coords== | ||
| Thanks Tiamut...You're a star...] (]) 21:08, 28 August 2009 (UTC) | |||
| <div class="user-block"> ] You have been ''']''' from editing for {{#if:1 week|a period of '''1 week'''|a short time}} in accordance with ] for violating the ]{{#if:Banias| at ]}}. Please be more careful to ] or seek ] rather than engaging in an ]. If you believe this block is unjustified, you may ] by adding the text <!-- Copy the text as it appears on your page, not as it appears in this edit area. Do not include the "nowiki" tags. --><nowiki>{{</nowiki>unblock|''your reason here''<nowiki>}}</nowiki><!-- Do not include the "nowiki" tags. --> below. {{#if:true|]]] 19:52, 12 December 2008 (UTC)}}</div><!-- Template:uw-3block --> | |||
| :No problem Ashley. Its the least I can do when someone is working hard to provide much needed details to articles sorely in need of attention by people who have real knowledge and facts to apply. I don't quite understand why you are still being prevented from contributing directly yourself. Sometimes, the rules at Misplaced Pages are applied so randomly. They say blocks are preventitive, not punitive and yet here you are, continuing to contribute in good faith from the confines of your talk page, and instead of some admin taking the initiative to unblock you, certain editors . Amazing. Anyway, as always, much appreciated Ashley. ]<sup>]</sup> 21:14, 28 August 2009 (UTC) | |||
| There was consensus until NoCal100 stalked Nishidani onto the page, he then made edits by deletion claiming no consensus. At a 2:1 split that is consensus, not in his favour but that's they way it goes. The last time I checked wiki was not running out of paper. NoCal100 looks to be attempting to censor information to what he finds interesting. That is not good practice, what the world finds interesting may not be only the small amount that NoCal100 finds interesting. Me I say wiki is supposed to be a repository of the sum of human knowledge so I include as much as possible. If NoCal100 want to keep a minimalistic attitude tell him to join censorwiki, the ] version....A war started over Banias, water and Hula marshes, if it was important enough for a war it shows high notability...] (]) 20:03, 12 December 2008 (UTC) | |||
| Well as I haven't been topic banned No more mr nice guy must mean someone else. If you look further up you see the same discussion occurred earlier. Only it was myself who asked that very question and the reply was as other editors had requested the information it was fine. I refer to postings between Bachrach44 and myself at the bottom of ]] (]) 21:22, 28 August 2009 (UTC) | |||
| == Edit warning on Banias == | |||
| :You had already placed a warning on the Talk page of Nocal100 - - so what would be the point of placing another warning? Please read ] - what you are doing is clearly not within the scope of reverting vandalism. ] (]) 20:01, 12 December 2008 (UTC) | |||
| Besides the pro-Israeli faction are perpetrating infractions of wiki rules re soliciting. ...could it be User:Tundrabuggy/ Dajudem sockpuppet clones? ] (]) 21:38, 28 August 2009 (UTC) | |||
| Several hours after...whereas you fire up in minutes so get real...] (]) 20:06, 12 December 2008 (UTC) | |||
| :I'm not sure I follow you - you asked why I did not place a warning on the other editor's page, and I explained that you had already done so. Please try to remain civil. ] (]) 20:07, 12 December 2008 (UTC) | |||
| Besides as Ynhokey says it's informative not POV pushing. .] (]) 21:43, 28 August 2009 (UTC) | |||
| you put a warning up 1830 and suddenly a sockpuppet arrives with no previous edits 8 minutes after you put a warning up ....you must think people are stupid...please real people see the Israelophile crowd of socks for what they are...you work in tandem to block any editor from contributing to wiki in a useful manner..NoCal100 has absolutely no knowledge of Banias he has displayed that many times he/she is only interested in POV...Why do you think no self respecting supporter of the Palestinian cause uses wiki for information? because it is lacking in any NPOV...Wiki has become a joke in the eyes of all supporters of the Palestinian cause it is treated with derision because of its blatant POV. If you wish wiki to be useless then you carry on inserting POV. I don't insert POV I actually put a complete version in...Try checking some time. If you don't like all the things Israel has done, that is Israel's problem not yours to cover up. People who support the Palestinian cause use books and not wiki because wiki is seen as extremist...wiki has been banned in some schools because of inaccuracies and misleading articles...I'm trying very hard to make wiki accurate and not misleading....Insertion of POV makes articles misleading, that is why I do not include POV. The likes of NoCal100 is giving wiki a bad name...Look at the amount of RS references I include, then look at the references the Israelophiles include. You make me laugh when you put 'citation needed' into Palestine related articles, check on the lack of references in Israeli related articles first, go and whack in a fistful of citation needed in Israeli related articles before touching a Palestine related article and maybe someone will take you seriously...half the Israelophile crowd do is stalk to disrupt and NoCal100 is an obvious sock stalks around like a foetid zombie disrupting so that editors don't get to improve due to his/her actions. I shall now spend another week ripping into JIDF clones on the debating circuit and boy do I kick shit it there. Why, because the Israelophiles use wiki and I smash their arguments into pieces with RS books, why do you think I have so many books? I absolutely cream the Israelophile wiki users, I show them up as brain dead morons all due to the POV the wiki Israelophile team supplies....] (]) 20:39, 12 December 2008 (UTC) | |||
| :I realize you are upset, but this project has certain rules that you must abide by. One of these rules, as ] , is that you can't go around accusing editors of sock-puppetry without evidence. That is a blockable offense. Another rule is that you can't edit war and violate 3RR even if you think you are correct in an edit dispute. This is another blockable offense. You have done both. Please take this week to reflect on your behavior and attitude. If that attitude is represented by statements such as ''"I shall now spend another week ripping into JIDF clones"'' or ''"I absolutely cream the Israelophile wiki users"'' - then perhaps you will be better served by expending your energies on some other pastime - Misplaced Pages is not a ]. ] (]) 21:16, 12 December 2008 (UTC) | |||
| What's the chance of 69.86.147.2 and 74.64.96.178 being the same person gaming on the same article?...] (]) 23:52, 28 August 2009 (UTC) | |||
| I'm not upset CM I do not give a toss whether I am working on wiki trying to improve wiki or giving Israeliophile wiki users grief on the debating circuit....The wiki project is useless as a place of reference because of the blatant POV... You may not see the POV but any person that understands the I/P conflict sees the glaring gaps created by the Israelophile POV. Wiki has been made a battle ground by the likes of NoCal100 and yourself. maybe you can't remember your actions over Ni'lin but I can. talk about the blatant warring you tried. An incident that reached the international press not noteworthy?????????...I'm trying to help wiki to not be a laughing stock...It is the Israelophiles that should go and work on the Hebrew wiki...that way they can be a POVish as they want...with your attitude wiki will carry-on getting the headlines that bring disrepute, wiki will remain inaccurate and misleading until you sort out your attitude...] (]) 21:31, 12 December 2008 (UTC) | |||
| :I tried to refresh my memory about ], but a quick look shows I've never edited that article. Perhaps you are confusing me with someone else. Anyway - I've given you some advice. Take this week to think about your attitude toward editing. Comments like ''"the Israelophiles that should go and work on the Hebrew wiki"'' are offensive, and have no place here. ] (]) 21:44, 12 December 2008 (UTC) | |||
| :: You're right not Ni'lin, ] notorious incident reached international papers. CM tries to have the information removed....What's so offensive being called a friend of Israel? Do you think that Israel is that bad that you find being called a friend of Israel offensive?...I do believe you offered advise about working elsewhere does this mean that you were trying to be offensive?...Please, try not to show double standards CM....] (]) 22:35, 12 December 2008 (UTC) | |||
| == Missing from Violence in the Israeli Palestinian conflict 2000 == | |||
| == Sockpuppetry claims against NoCal100== | |||
| Makes a bit of a mockery of wiki saying that the was a Death Toll in 2000 of just 44 ]. I don't know about you but there a quite a few more than 44 in the above list (partial list of 132). That makes ] both inaccurate and POV. Due to the fact that the complainers have absolutely no reason to be unaware, (as they did complain about me attempting to insert accurate and reliable information) they have no excuse that they did not know....] (]) 10:19, 29 August 2009 (UTC) | |||
| Hello, Ashley. | |||
| If you have serious concerns about an account being a sockpuppet and being used to edit around restrictions, please file a report at ]. Otherwise, merely making such claims in edit summaries and on talk pages without proof or follow up may be construed as a ] and ], both of which are just as forbidden as sockpuppetry, by the by. ] will follow up on properly filed cases, and I'd suggest you use that venue. Thanks. -- ] (]) 20:03, 12 December 2008 (UTC) | |||
| maybe someone would like to explain why the article showing less than 25% of those killed is still not displaying a tag showing that the article to be inaccurate or POV?...] (]) 10:37, 29 August 2009 (UTC) | |||
| : Ashley, personal attacks are not helping your case. If you have concerns, please present them in a ] way, without resorting to extremist language. To be most effective, you want to make brief and polite statements, in a neutral tone, and in the proper venue. If you believe that {{user|NoCal100}} is a sock, create a page at ] or ]. But when you resort to harsh language, it doesn't make him look bad, it makes ''you'' look bad. So please, take a break? --]]] 23:18, 12 December 2008 (UTC) | |||
| ::That is what he did. | |||
| ::But nobody reacted, even just in leaving a word to NoCal | |||
| ::And now that Ashley gets upset, he is threatened (with civility) by you and others. | |||
| ::Stop making fun of us ! Whether you warn *all* sides, or you don't deal the issue. There is no solution in between, expect demonstrating bad faith and direspect towards users who develop the encyclopaedia without agenda. | |||
| ::My pseudo is ] (]) 15:01, 13 December 2008 (UTC) | |||
| What case? I'm not asking for any unblock or any other case, or are you saying that NoCal100 is wikilawyering '''again''', a well known 'New account' that is surprisingly conversant with all the rules?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? Yes I can see how Nocal100 could never be considered as a sockpuppet?????????????????????????????????????????????? Sorry but your blindness to reality is what makes wiki look like a bunch of amateurs, and you wonder why all the academics who initially contributed dropped out? Ask yourself why is wiki banned in many places of education??? Why has the Scottish education board just recently blamed wiki for lowering the passes in exams??? | |||
| Jayjg actively removing Palestinian dead from the list and wikifan12345 is unable to fathom why an inaccurate and POV article has tagged. . The above list makes Jayjg and wikifan12345 look exactly what they are...That is jayjg and wikifan12345 are extremist inserting POV....] (]) 11:05, 29 August 2009 (UTC) | |||
| I've already done an ] on Nocal100. He's been noted as a sock by a few editors already as per the ANI and it is not about whether he/she is a sock it is about his/her disruption that causes edit wars which ultimately leads to a fall in editing and a fall in accuracy and a reduction in the sum of human knowledge. | |||
| Can everyone of these be reliably sourced to neutral sources? If so, I don't know how anybody can object.To be honest, I don't know whether we should actually have lists like this reeling off lists of every civilian that died in a conflict. I wonder whether they should be taken to AFD. Especially when they are mostly unreferenced anybody can insert their own POV into them.. ] 13:18, 29 August 2009 (UTC) | |||
| I have absolutely no interest in how I look to wiki because I have absolutely no interest in wiki administration. I have no interest in doing wiki lawyering. I have no interest in filling wiki forms, politely or otherwise. I though that was pretty obvious from the start. | |||
| I want to see decent articles of a high standard that can be used as it is accurate, informative, reliable and fully referenced. | |||
| B'Tselem is a reliable neutral source. Used by every Sovereign state in the world, even the US, B'Tselem is commonly used by sovereign states in preference to all other sources, especially as the Israeli government is not taken as a neutral source due to it only recording Israeli deaths (even the PA records both Israeli and palestinian deaths)...... The lists are also corroborated in the UN archives under "Chronological Review of Events Relating to the Question of Palestine" for each month taken from reliable newspaper sources, Jpost Ha'aretz, AFP, AP etc etc etc.... ] (]) 14:34, 29 August 2009 (UTC) | |||
| In the real world, the one that is not digitised or laden with synthetic wiki rules, that one that uses books for information NoCal100 is noted as an extremist and uneducated. My language is not extremist nor harsh it is merely noting facts. NoCal100 is not suspected; he/she is known as a sock. All his/her behaviour is of a sock. How many other 'new accounts' do you know that suddenly spring up with a full tool kit of wikilawyering? How many other 'new accounts' do you know that are based around the name of an account 'Calton' that are being attacked by NoCal100. Please get real, I don't see you taking NoCal100 to task for his/her harsh language and personal attacks? 'Calton' was doing an essential job on wiki, intercepting possible market manipulation, in which wiki has been the centre of scandals. Where were you when Calton needed help? And then there is the obvious stalking pattern of NoCal100, I don't see admin on NoCal100's back. Then you have NoCal100's tag team edits, I don't see admin on Nocal100's back, do you? | |||
| B'Tselem figures used as a source by respected Authors:- | |||
| NoCal100 made a pigs ear out of ] and gets a DYK, please get real. I took ] from an inaccurate article that had no references to something that had some potential for use, over 5 days. The NoCal100 stalks his way to the article following Nishidani, and where was admin and what happens to the article, stopped no movement. Nocal100 had all the time in the world to actually do something, and what does he/she do...Not a thing, leaves it with errors and inaccuracies (left there because he/she was disrupting editing), so why was he/she editing an article he obviously knew nothing about? | |||
| Avery Plaw (2008) Targeting Terrorists: A License to Kill? Ethics and global politics Publisher Ashgate Publishing, Ltd., {{ISBN|0754645266}} p 64 | |||
| I'll give you 2 phone numbers (to real people in the real world that are fully verifiable as 2 people using their real names, because I'm in the phone book and on the register of electors), email me, then you can call them, I'm more verifiable than some anonymous IP address. Then you can have a go at the anonymous sock NoCal100 for spreading BS about others when he is the biggest offender of sockpuppetry...] (]) 01:30, 13 December 2008 (UTC) | |||
| :: My apologies if it seems that I'm being obtuse -- I am simply not familiar with the history here, so am still trying to come up to speed. When you say that {{user|NoCal100}} is a ], which other accounts do you believe are being controlled by the same user? Thanks, --]]] 04:34, 13 December 2008 (UTC) | |||
| Tomis Kapitan (1997) Philosophical perspectives on the Israeli-Palestinian conflict Publisher M.E. Sharpe, {{ISBN|1563248786}} p 125 | |||
| #NoCal100 is a sock. Behavioural pattern. To find his other accounts would require a fishing expedition and as I don't have a friendly admin account that has CU ability I am unable to go fishing. And I really do not wish to waste time on wikilawyering. | |||
| #It's the abuse that Nocal100 carries out that is the problem and not whether he is a sock that is the problem. | |||
| #NoCal100 was raised initially to persecute ] in tag team with ]. | |||
| Actually the Israeli contention with B'Tselem is not with the accurate tally of Dead (even Efraim Karsh uses B'tselem figure) but with the designation of "Non-participation in Hostilities". The pro-Israelis consider the B'Tselem designation as "massaging", however the pro-Israeli also consider armed students on pre-military training as non-combatants. So there is something of a double standard in operation...] (]) 16:19, 29 August 2009 (UTC) | |||
| It's on the ]..] (]) 08:34, 13 December 2008 (UTC) | |||
| :could you provide the links to the sources for these so they can be added to the article? thanks. ](]) 19:48, 29 August 2009 (UTC) | |||
| I notice from ]'s talk page of why the IP Check user ended up with me and Charlie O'Sulivan looking like meat puppets. Shows what NoCal100 jumping to conclusions does. Shows why wiki admin need to get their minds out into the real world.... . Now would you like wiki to admit their mistake and have a go at NoCal100 for false accusations for sockpuppetry or what?????????????????????? As I've said I can supply phone numbers and electoral roles for proof, not some anonymous IP address that gets a location to within 60 miles at best...it shows how crap the wiki Check user system is on British users. BT have a system that will not give wiki check user any validity or conclusive evidence this means that wiki check user on British users has to rely on suspicion alone....I couldn't have asked for a better example of why the wiki system of check user fails abominably for UK users...] (]) 12:23, 13 December 2008 (UTC) | |||
| :I would but I think that it could be misconstrued as a wiki violation of actions to evade a block...] (]) 23:24, 29 August 2009 (UTC) | |||
| : Okay, to make sure I understand, let me paraphrase a bit. You believe that {{user|NoCal100}} is being disruptive in the topic area of Israel/Palestine articles. You feel that his username may have been designed to antagonize another editor in the topic area, {{user|Calton}}. You also believe that since NoCal100 is a (relatively) new account, created in January 2008, that he is a possible sock of some other account in the topic area, but you're not sure who. Is that correct? --]]] 19:00, 13 December 2008 (UTC) | |||
| ==Request coordinates for villages== | |||
| :In a nut shell yes....(sorry I missed your posting till today)] (]) 16:31, 14 December 2008 (UTC) | |||
| Hi Ashley. Can you list the coordinates next to these villages so I can add them. Forgvie me if I've listed ones we already have, if you could remove the ones we already have from the list and list the coordinates for those actually missing this would be a great help... | |||
| ] 15:07, 1 September 2009 (UTC) | |||
| #The method NoCal100 uses is to make a controversial edit (normally by deletion) without any supporting evidence, accompanied by a POV statement. NoCal100 then demands that all must bow to his way as consensus. NoCal100 makes no attempt to find consensus prior to his controversial edits. That starts edit wars, it is a constant problem with NoCal100. If NoCal100 is unhappy then he should as for a citation to clarify, talk on the talk page. But you don't do it the NoCal100 way of making edits prior to having an RS source backing up your claim. | |||
| #Take ] it is obvious to anyone who knows anything about IP conflict that NoCal100 knows nothing about the incident. It takes about 1/2 a day to round up the sources (it does for me because I have half the books at home and the other half are accessible in the library) all NoCal100 has done is taken the Israeli version straight off the Israeli MFA web site and bunged in the UN doc as a reference (without actually reading it) from the article I wrote on 9 June 2008 at ] (which has a bit on the Ma'ale Akrabim incident)....] (]) 19:05, 14 December 2008 (UTC) | |||
| :: Thanks, I'll take a look at that article. I've also taken a good look at NoCal100's contribs, which go back to January 2008, and I've talked to some other admins who monitor the topic area, and I'm just not seeing sockpuppetry. Now, he may or may not still be operating as part of a ] of editors in the topic area. As I'm sure you know, team editing is a real problem in this topic area, on both sides of the dispute. My honest advice to you at this time, is to try to focus your battles, and stick to the most egregious violations. Don't call NoCal100 a sock, because there's no clear evidence that he's a sock. And so each time you use the "sock" word, it just weakens everything else in your argument. | |||
| :: To be most effective, stick to the things that you have hard evidence for, and which are easier for administrators to take action on. These are: | |||
| ::# Adding information without sources | |||
| ::# Using (obviously) unreliable sources | |||
| ::# (Obvious) Misinterpretation of reliable sources | |||
| ::# Edit-warring | |||
| ::# Making edits which are in a violation of a (clear) talkpage consensus | |||
| ::# Deleting reliably sourced information | |||
| ::# Incivility/personal attacks | |||
| :: Note that I use the word "obvious" a lot. This is because if you bring ''non''-obvious claims to ANI, as you've seen, the threads just tend to get muddled and no firm action is taken. Or in other words, less is more. If you provide 100 diffs, 98 of which are ambiguous and two of which are solid obvious infractions, chances are that people will jump on the 98 to challenge them, and the 2 obvious infractions will get lost in the chaos. So a more effective post would be to just present the 2, and ignore the other 98. Now, if you feel that the non-obvious stuff still needs to be dealt with, fallback to option #5 there, talkpage ]. If you bring concerns up at an article talkpage, and the consensus at talk is that NoCal100's edits are a problem, then you've got something solid to bring to ANI, which is "editing against talkpage consensus". You won't need to go into any details about sourcing or opinions or neutrality, you can just provide two diffs: One that shows a talkpage consensus, and one that shows NoCal100 (or whoever) editing against that consensus, and admins will probably be able to take action. | |||
| :: In summary, the best way to get administrator action is to present a ''short'' post, with diffs showing clear unambiguous problem behavior. The longer the post, or the more ambiguous the diffs, the less likely that admins will be able to take action. | |||
| :: Make sense? :) --]]] 20:05, 14 December 2008 (UTC) | |||
| A nice long list. I am working through it will post the list when finished.] (]) 11:59, 6 September 2009 (UTC) | |||
| PS you have been busy. Well done just watch out for Ammuqa/Ammuka. There are some that have a propensity to confuse issues where the name sounds the same but the geographical locations are not the same. ] (]) 14:33, 6 September 2009 (UTC) | |||
| To point | |||
| 5.], I would say Hasbani also but unfortunately I've been delayed in getting my say on the article due to 3RR blockage. | |||
| 6.Deleting reliably sourced information (that also comes into inappropriate edit summary) also ] | |||
| 8. Cherry picking to make misleading article. ] or is that point 3. (this is a difficult one to explain as you really need to be fully conversant with the facts about Ma'ale Akrabim and aware of all the sources) a. The attackers were shod (had shoes or boots on as per survivor statements available in the UN sources) the second set of tracks (the ones closest to the Jordanian border) were made on or about the 14 March (as agreed by both Israeli and Jordanian trackers as per the UN sources) and made by unshod feet. The second set of tracks are therefore a red herring (but always used by the Israeli sources, Israeli sources should therefore be considered as none RS in this instance) where as NoCal100 has misleadingly made the 2 sets of tracks one b. restraint ...means that retaliation had dropped to 1 or 2 Israeli raids per month into Jordan controlled territory and Israeli raids on the Israeli Bedouin still continued. Basically Nocal100 used the none RS Israeli MFI dropped in the UN Doc ref but never integrated any of the information available from the UN source that contradicted all of the Israeli MFI source thereby misrepresenting the UN Doc source as though it supported the Israeli MFI version, which history has shown to be incorrect. NoCal100 has never looked for alternative RS which are very easy to find (you only have to look on my page a few sections below, having the books does tend to help) | |||
| Hi, sorry I didn't check back later, I did after a few days and you hadn't responded so I didn't look again. I'm adding the coordinates now, thanks. I'll let you know when I'm up to L so you can add the rest. Thanks.] 10:38, 9 October 2009 (UTC) | |||
| I will continue noting NoCal100's 'obvious' infractions and collating them. I really do dislike wasting time on an 'obvious' disruptive editor (NoCal100). I do much prefer improving wiki....] (]) 00:38, 15 December 2008 (UTC) | |||
| ===Sockpuppet User NoCal100's personal attacks=== | |||
| the first comment was made by a sockpuppet (confirmed by 2 separate checkusers) of Ashley kennedy3 , and he was subsequently blocked for a month for that sockpupptery. The second comment (made more than a month ago) does not relate to any of the material we are discussing. NoCal100 (talk) 16:14, 12 December 2008 (UTC) ] If I'm supposed to be making personal attacks then NoCal100 started the process off.... | |||
| Sorry for not checking in; I've been reading. I'll compile the next bit....] (]) 12:38, 12 October 2009 (UTC) | |||
| Nocal100 is a wikistalker who stalked his way onto Banias while staking ] and admits to using deletions as a method of inciting revert wars, both ] and I agree that water is the key to Banias throughout its long history. NoCal100 even if he/she thinks that too much information is in place should seek consensus with the 2 active users on that page.... he did not...therefore his edits by deletion were disruptive and not by consensus...] (]) 12:43, 13 December 2008 (UTC) | |||
| and which district next?...] (]) 15:42, 12 October 2009 (UTC) | |||
| Ramla done | |||
| ==ma'ale akrabim== | |||
| ''Thefts were quite common, mostly among the poorer Bedouin who utilised the opportunity to steal valuable property and machinery used by the Israeli Government in developing the southern part of the country. The shooting of these Bedouin by Israelis incited blood feuds and resulted in vendettas which caused a chain reactions, culminating in additional killings. Many such incidents occurred in the Negev and might be explained as Bedouin actions of blood revenge. The massacre of the bus passengers in maleh ha-Akrabim (The Scorpion Pass) on the way to Eilat was possibly one of them.'' | |||
| The Palestinian Refugees in Jordan 1948-1957: 1948-1957 By Avi Plascov Published by Routledge, 1981 ISBN 0714631205 p 86 | |||
| ] 11:14, 15 October 2009 (UTC) | |||
| ''On Wednesday of last week, the Mixed Armistice Commission was shocked by the news of an attack on an Israel bus near Ma'ale Akrabim . United Nations military observers were sent immediately to the scene of the incident, and their initial reports were graphic in describing this horrible crime. Since that first day, most of the military observers assigned to the Jordan-Israel Mixed Armistice Commission have working on this case. These observers, working with members of the Israel delegation to the Mixed Armistice Commission, Israel police and army officials, dog handlers with highly trained tracking hounds, expert Israel trackers, joined later by experienced Bedouin trackers from Jordan, have worked almost beyond endurance to establish the guilt for this crime. At no time during the years since the conclusion of the armistice agreement has a more intensive investigation been carried out. Even so, the evidence brought out is far from being conclusive. I do regret the Israel delegation's refusal to allow the Mixed Armistice Commission the opportunity completely to investigate Israel's claim of knowledge concerning the actual perpetrators of this crime. The possibility of Jordanians being responsible for this crime still exists; however, persons from outside Jordan could also be guilty of this outrage. True, tracks were found, perhaps connected to this crime, but they were lost approximately '''10 kilometers''' in a straight line from the demarcation line. The empty cartridges found at the scene of the incident do not point conclusively to any one group. The testimony of the witnesses indicates that Arabs were involved; however, the description of the two men who allegedly entered the bus a doubt as to whether they were all Arabs. And the establishment of the fact that Arabs were involved does not in the least connect this crime to the inhabitants of any one country. This Mixed Armistice Commission will always avoid condemning a government on inconclusive evidence.'' | |||
| Oh, you're a tinker. You slipped that list in when I was playing around on another section so that I nearly missed it...] (]) 15:15, 15 October 2009 (UTC) | |||
| With reference to the Dayr Ayyub and the DMZ around the Latrun salient. The 1949 cease fire agreement did not make the Latrun salient depopulated merely a Demilitarised zone (civilian were allowed, by the 1949 agreement, into the DMZ). The Israeli forces used excessive force to eject the Palestinian population forcibly stopping Palestinians re-entering their own homes. The Israeli government then authorised Israeli creeping encroachment and laid claim to the DMZ. In 1950 the Israeli military patrol should not have been in the DMZ when they murdered the 2 children Ali Muhammad Ali Alyyan (12) and his sister Fakhriyeh Muhammad Ali Alyyan (10). | |||
| Added both coordinates and corrections.] 19:49, 15 October 2009 (UTC) | |||
| Where to next?...] (]) 21:34, 15 October 2009 (UTC) | |||
| ''Fingered Triggers'' Monday, Apr. 05, 1954 | |||
| ===District of Haifa?=== | |||
| Dead 9 men 2 women injured 2, young woman and 9 year old, uninjured 2. //Rosalyn Higgins (1981) United Nations Peacekeeping, 1946-1967: Documents and Commentary under the auspices of the Royal Institute of International Affairs by Oxford University Press, pp 121-122// | |||
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| ''Jordanian Legion Commander John Glubb reported to the British Government on the results of an investigation he had conducted, which pointed to ‘tribesmen from Beersheba area driven from their lands and relatives massacred various times by Jews...the gang appears centred in Qusema...in Sinai. All planned and carried out from Sinai.''<ref>Derori, Zeʼev (2005) ''Israel's Reprisal Policy, 1953-1956: The Dynamics of Military Retaliation'' Routledge, ISBN 0714656321 pp 126-127</ref> | |||
| note ] ;anti-Egyptian uprising in 1834 should be linked to ] article. | |||
| ''When Israel occupied the Gaza Strip in 1956, two years later, considerable evidence was found that the Scorpion Pass incident was the work of Arab Bedouins.''<ref>Political Affairs By Trade Union Educational League (U.S.), Earl Browder, Herbert Aptheker, Communist Party of the United States of America, Gus Hall Published by Political Affairs Pub., 1967 P 15</ref> | |||
| Khaled Fahmy (2002) All the pasha's men: Mehmed Ali, his army, and the making of modern Egypt Publisher American Univ in Cairo Press, {{ISBN|9774246969}}. This book should be included as a ref for ]. | |||
| Nahhalin doesn't appear in aftermath; | |||
| Have you noticed that Google has now gone in for the Hebrewdisation of West bank maps? ...occurred at about 1700hrs GMT 24th October 2009] (]) 10:26, 25 October 2009 (UTC) | |||
| Another gesture came in March when Israel declared Jordan responsible for the massacre of 11 civilians in the Negev’s scorpion Pass (Ma’aleh Akravim), though evidence pointed to Gaza as the attackers’ base. The IDF retaliated –ominously without Sharett’s approval- against Nahhalin village in the West bank.//Oren, Michael B. (1992) Origins of the Second Arab-Israel War: Egypt, Israel, and the Great Powers, 1952-56 Routledge, ISBN 0714634301 p 20// | |||
| Problem with ] aka ] and ]: from the mapping (1942) it appears in Haifa district not Jenin....? see ].... ] (]) 10:41, 25 October 2009 (UTC) | |||
| The Qibya raid of 14-15 October 1953, ordered by Ben-Gurion, achieved considerable international publicity. On that night Israeli soldiers killed sixty-six men, women and children of the village. Even sympathetic American newspapers compared the incident to the Nazi massacre of 185 men of the village Lidice in Czechoslovakia on 10 June 1942 in reprisal for the assassination of an SS Chief. Perhaps the worst Arab reprisal was the ambush of an Israeli bus on scorpion Pass, in the eastern Negev, on 17 march 1954: eleven Israelis died. In retaliation Israeli raiders hit the village of Nahhaleen, and killed nine inhabitants. //Ovendale, Ritchie (2004) The Origins of the Arab-Israeli Wars Pearson Education, ISBN 058282320X p 153// | |||
| note ] reveal the hidden history of ]; Marj Ibn Amer (Meadow of Amr's son) and British mandate as Plain of Esdraelon | |||
| I wonder how this should be written for NPOV? | |||
| note ] aka Bat Shelomo and Umm Jimal | |||
| '''The 1948 Arab-Israeli war ended with the signing of several armistice agreements between Israel and her neighboring Arab states,''' | |||
| ''The military confrontation of the 1948 Arab-Israeli war ceased with the signing of several armistice agreements between Jordan, Lebanon Egypt and Syria and their neighbouring Jewish state,'' now does that look right? | |||
| where next?...] (]) 15:19, 25 October 2009 (UTC) | |||
| now let me think about NPOV and systemic racism?????? | |||
| any takers for Acre? | |||
| lets try something that is accurate informative and not misleading nor racist:- | |||
| ===District of Tulkarm=== | |||
| ''The military confrontation of the ] was concluded with ] signing the ] (ceasefire arrangements) with ], ], ] and ], in 1949,'' | |||
| Note ] needs dis-ambiguous page to accomodate both ] and ]. ps why the hyphenated al-?..] (]) 14:52, 26 October 2009 (UTC) | |||
| Do you mean move page title or redirect the red link?] 21:02, 26 October 2009 (UTC) | |||
| as samu | |||
| The more usual way of referring to the village is Khirbat Bayt Lid. If a reader is searching then it should be caught either way. same with the hyphenated al-s, the un-hyphenated needs a re-direct or vice versa both methods need to be included...] (]) 21:53, 26 October 2009 (UTC) | |||
| Arabs at War: Military Effectiveness, 1948-1991 By Kenneth Michael Pollack Published by U of Nebraska Press, 2002 ISBN 0803237332 p 290 | |||
| You haven't directly answered what I was looking for. Should ] by moved to ], or should ] be redirected to Bayt Lid, Khirbat?] 09:16, 27 October 2009 (UTC) | |||
| Smouldering passions in the Arab world after the Samu raid...Shemesh, Moshe (2008) Arab Politics, Palestinian Nationalism and the Six Day War: The Crystallization of Arab Strategy and Nasir's Descent to War, 1957-1967 Sussex Academic Press, ISBN 1845191889, p 132. | |||
| correctly speaking the article title should be ], however so long as there is a redirect it is immaterial what the title of the article is...] (]) 10:05, 27 October 2009 (UTC) | |||
| Qibya | |||
| Londey, Peter (2004) Other People's Wars: A History of Australian Peacekeeping Allen & Unwin, ISBN 1865086517 p 66 | |||
| We need an article on the ], it would make explanations of Ghabat Kafr Sur, Bayyarat Hannun, Arab al Nufay'at, Wadi Bourstany, Zor al Zerka, Arab as Sawalima etc more accurate...] (]) 12:30, 27 October 2009 (UTC) | |||
| ==Banias Israeli NWC Hula drainage diversion direct connection== | |||
| ] the Maqam of Shaykh Sam'an near Kfar Saba was demolished by unknown assailants in 2005. Pappé, Ilan, (reprint 2007) The ethnic cleansing of Palestine, Oneworld Publications Limited, ISBN 978-1-85168-467-0p 219 | |||
| Well would you Adam and Eve it so there is a direct connection good RS source too.???????????????????????????? | |||
| ===District of Jaffa=== | |||
| The first Arab summit conference ratified the Arab strategy to thwart Israel’s NWC Plan. The strategy was designed to divert the Jordan’s tributaries and prepare the Arab armies for the defence of the engineering operations. //Shemesh, Moshe (2008) Arab Politics, Palestinian Nationalism and the Six Day War: The Crystallization of Arab Strategy and Nasir's Descent to War, 1957-1967 Sussex Academic Press, ISBN 1845191889 p 67// | |||
| <s>] 32° 01' 50.35’’ N 34° 53' 25.05’’ E</s> {{·}} ]{{·}} ]{{·}} ]{{·}} ]{{·}} ]{{·}} Jalil aka collectively <s>] (Jalil south) & ] (Jalil North), 32° 09' 36.00’’ N 34° 48' 42.35’’ E </s>{{·}} ] aka Jammasin Morris reports 1 Dec 1947 Palestinian Arab traders driven out of Tel Aviv and Jewish markets p 67. 32° 05' 25.05’’ N 34° 47' 36.65’’ E {{·}} ]{{·}}<s> ] (Yarkon Park) 32° 05' 44.95’’ N 34° 52' 39.80’’ E</s> {{·}} ]{{·}} ]{{·}}<s> ] 32° 05' 07.00’’ N 34° 46' 54.45’’ E </s>{{·}} ] forested area on the eastern boundary of the Yarkon sports complex. <s>32° 06' 43.20’’ N 34° 54' 57.15’’ E </s>{{·}} ]{{·}} <s>] 31° 59' 36.20’’ N 34° 51' 03.35’’ E</s> {{·}} ]{{·}} ]{{·}} ] aka Arab as Sawalima 32° 06' 49.05’’ N 34° 50' 59.70’’ E {{·}} ]{{·}} ] | |||
| ===al Jammasin al Sharqi=== | |||
| 1. Diversion of tributaries in Lebanon | |||
| Unable to supply coords for al Jammasin al Sharqi as it requires a whole lot of discussion on "what is a village"? Colonial western thoughts on what constituted a village (and semi-nomadic/semi-sedentary) were predisposed to deny that al Jammasin al Sharqi was a village. The result is that al Jammasin al Sharqi does not appear on any maps as a village (its permanent fields and orchards do). The "village" is described as mud huts and tents and the cadastral surveys show fields and orchards. The area that the semi-sedentary Bedouin remained in is delimited by the encroachment of "permanent settlement" (the permanent settlements were found to be not so permanent against Israeli bulldozers). The Marsh Bedouin in the main raised cattle (water buffaloes) and had permanent fields (mainly wheat crops) and orchards (mainly oranges and olives). The "village" would be moved within the area at no set time but move on the grounds of hygiene. So, what's a village? Note the permanent structures of this particular village were the fields and orchards (the fields and orchards had been worked for several generations). Note the residents of al Jammasin al Gharbi appear to have also shared in the farming of al Jammasin al Sharqi hence the two are collectively known as Jammasin with the Palestinian Arab village of Jarisha laying between the two Jammasins. | |||
| A The upper Hasbani- the excavation of a canal from the Hasbani springs in the hasbaya region and a canal from the wadi Shab’a for carrying water to the kawkaba tunnels and from there to the Litani River. (This project would transport 40-60 million cubic metres of water annually). | |||
| B. The Middle hasbani-two diversion points-tyhe first in the hasbani riverbed; the second in wadi sarid. The Hasbani ans Sarid would flow in a canal to the banias and from there to the Yarmuk. According to the plan, 20-30 million cubic metres of water would flow annually to Syria (if Lebanon did not divert the hasbani’s floodwater to the Litani, the Sarid canal could transport up to 60 million cubic metres of water a year). | |||
| C. The Wazani Spring in the Lower Hasbani Riverbed-this would include an irrigation canal (carrying 16 million cubic metres of water a year) for local use in Lebanon; an irrigation canal in Syria (8 million cubic metres a year); and three pumping units to transport the Wanzani’s overflow to Syria via the Sarid-Banias canal at a rate of 26 million cubic metres a year. | |||
| NB. A clay brick could also be said to be nothing but baked mud, meaning that most westerners live in glorified mud huts and wooden shacks. | |||
| 2. Diversions in Syrian territory | |||
| note: Imposition of European concepts of land rights through the interpretation of Ottoman law by British colonial officials adversely affected the rights of Marsh Bedouin along the coastal plain. | |||
| A. Diversion of the Banias-The diversion plan for the banias called for a 73 kilometre long canal to be dug 350 metres above sea level that would link the banias with the Yamuk. The canal would carry the Banias’s fixed flow plus the overflow from the hasbani (including water from the Sarid and Wazani). The Banias diversion would provide 90 million cubic metres of water for irrigation of riverine areas. The designers calculated that eighteen months would be sufficient for executing the plan. The cost was estimated at five million Pounds Sterling (including two tunnels), that is, approximately two million pounds more than the Arab plan. | |||
| B. The butayha Project-The Syrians feared that if the Arabs implemented their diversion plan, Israel would block the batayha Valley inhabitants, annual pumping of 22 million cubic metres from the Jordan as proposed in the Johnson plan. In order to guarantee the villagers their vital water supply, the Arab plan contained a proviso designed to incorporate primary and secondary canals from the Sea of Galilee. | |||
| 3. The water plans in Jordan. | |||
| ===District of Jerusalem=== | |||
| The construction of a dam in the Kingdom of Jordan (the Mukheiba dam on the Yarmuk River) was designed to hold 200 million cubic metres of water. Work on the dam would take 30 months at a cost of ten and one quarter million Pounds Sterling. The Mukheiba Dam (and the Makarin Dam) would hurt Israel if it was incorporated into the diversion plans for the Jordan River’s northern sources, and without the Mukheiba dam all of the diverted water would flow back to the Yarmuk and return to the Jordan’s riverbed south of the Sea of galilee. Excluding this plan, the rest of the Jordan’s water projects correspond with the main parts of the Johnson Plan. | |||
| //Shemesh, Moshe (2008) Arab Politics, Palestinian Nationalism and the Six Day War: The Crystallization of Arab Strategy and Nasir's Descent to War, 1957-1967 Sussex Academic Press, ISBN 1845191889 pp 49-50// | |||
| <s>] 31° 43' 26.10’’ N 35° 03' 45.00’’ E</s> {{·}}<s> ] 31° 45' 29.60’’ N 35° 04' 56.20’’ E</s> {{·}} ]{{·}} ]{{·}}<s> ] 31° 47' 39.70’’ N 35° 02' 04.75’’ E </s>{{·}} ]{{·}}<s> ] 31° 49' 20.90’’ N 35° 04' 25.90’’ E</s> {{·}} <s>] 31° 46' 51.30’’ N 35° 04' 54.90’’ E </s>{{·}}<s>] 31° 44' 19.40’’ N 34° 55' 43.75’’ E </s>{{·}}<s> ] 31° 44' 34.60’’ N 35° 00' 37.45’’ E</s> {{·}}<s> ] 31° 46' 37.15’’ N 35° 05' 47.35’’ E </s>{{·}}<s> ] 31° 45' 04.45’’ N 35° 02' 13.60’’ E </s>{{·}} ] see also ] this is one of those add to the confusion type naming of places.{{·}} Dayr Rafat, according to the British mandate maps was the convent, ] the village was about 1km East of the convent, along the ridge, at 31° 46' 25.90’’ N 34° 57' 34.90’’ E {{·}} What is also missing is ]; 31° 46' 39.20’’ N 34° 57' 09.20’’ E 400m away (ENE) from the convent{{·}} ] 31° 44' 55.15’’ N 35° 04' 04.95’’ E{{·}} ]{{·}} ]{{·}}]{{·}} ]{{·}} ] 31° 46' 59.05’’ N 34° 57' 20.55’’ E{{·}} ]{{·}} ] 31° 45' 25.05’’ N 35° 08' 58.85’’ E{{·}} ] 31° 46' 51.65’’ N 35° 03' 03.70’’ E (Sheik Ahmad shrine 31° 46' 45.30’’ N 35° 02' 34.90’’ E){{·}} ] 31° 46' 01.45’’ N 35° 06' 46.30’’ E{{·}} ]{{·}} ]{{·}} ] aka Khirbet Natuf 31° 50' 13.25’’ N 35° 03' 58.65’’ E and shrine to Sheik Mas'ad{{·}} ] 31° 43' 39.90’’ N 35° 07' 12.40’’ E {{·}} ]{{·}} ]{{·}} ] 31° 44' 17.00’’ N 35° 05' 32.75’’ E{{·}}] 31° 46' 28.90’’ N 34° 59' 08.15’’ E shrine Nabi Samil{{·}} ] 31° 47' 52.60’’ N 35° 04' 27.55’’ E{{·}} ]31° 46' 10.90’’ N 35° 07' 34.80’’ E{{·}} ]{{·}} ]{{·}} ] 31° 44' 04.40’’ N 35° 02' 28.90’’ E{{·}} ] 31° 42' 54.30’’ N 35° 03' 00.55’’ E {{·}} ] 31° 47' 33.30’’ N 35° 05' 55.30’’ E {{·}} ] | |||
| Funny how 3 countries working in unison with the backing of 10 other states is considered by NoCal100 as unilateral Syrian action...] (]) 19:46, 13 December 2008 (UTC) | |||
| == Coords == | |||
| ===apologies=== | |||
| Hey! Could I get the coordinates for ] (in Gaza Strip), ], ], and ] (Depopulated villages). | |||
| sorry if you had been waiting for these tiamut but I was resting my eyes after completing the other districts. My vision was beginning to go a bit fuzzy after spending a while pawing over maps with a magnifying glass....] (]) 05:31, 3 November 2009 (UTC) | |||
| :How could you apologize Ashley? Its a miracle that you continue to pump these out month after month. Only thanks are due. I'll continue adding more later today I hope. Cheers my friend. ]<sup>]</sup> 12:51, 3 November 2009 (UTC) | |||
| Always a pleasure ] | |||
| Always my pleasure to help out...] (]) 13:07, 3 November 2009 (UTC) | |||
| ] 31° 15’ 31.12 N 34° 16’ 56.80’’ E (for '''all''' Gaza strip co-ords look further up under section adding co-ords, all done last month) | |||
| ===Odd bits to Dist of Jerusalem=== | |||
| ], 33° 00’ 20.12’’ N <s>35° 25’ 41.72’’ E</s> NW of Safad | |||
| Rafat, the village, gave its name to the modern convent built at Deir Rafat: The Shrine of Our Lady “Queen of Palestine” aka “Reginae Palestinae" (still extant at Deir Rafat). Now Convent, Christian retreat and orphanage. Deir Rafat is home to the Mony (Moni) Winery | |||
| Maliha: In the thirteenth century the Christian Georgian Orthodox order, based in the Monastery of the Holy Cross, possessed lands in the area and the village was probably settled by workers attached to the monastery.ref-Avraham Negev, Shimon Gibson (2005) Archaeological encyclopedia of the Holy Land Publisher Continuum International Publishing Group, {{ISBN|0826485715}} p 435 | |||
| ], 32° 55’ 53.66’’ N 35° 25’ 41.72’’ E SW of Safad | |||
| ===District of Tiberias=== | |||
| ] <s>31° 15’ 31.12’’ N 34° 16’ 56.80’’ E those are for ]</s> North of Safad (Not North west) and in the Sanjak of ] (not ] the confusion comes from both towns being spelt the same).] (]) 09:55, 14 December 2008 (UTC) | |||
| ], aka 'Ulam 32° 40' 04.15’’ N 35° 29' 58.00’’ E shrine to Sheik Dahwa{{·}} ], aka ed Delhemiyeh and Khirbet Dalhamiya 32° 39' 11.00’’ N 35° 34' 17.35’’ E also just to confuse matter further Ashdot Ya'akov is annotated as "Dalhamiya (Ashdot Ya'akov)" any takers?{{·}} ], aka Ghuweir Abu Shusha 32° 51' 11.60’’ N 35° 30' 32.65’’ E 2 shrines Sheik Muhammad (one west, one south){{·}} ], 32° 41' 00.60’’ N 35° 29' 18.80’’ E shrine Sheik Abu al Hija {{·}} ], 32° 41' 09.70’’ N 35° 39' 56.45’’ E on the Haifa spur line to Der'a lay within the DMZ{{·}} ], {{·}} ], {{·}} ] aka Lubieh, South African Park was planted over the village remains. The Israeli town of ] was built further away (approx 1.5 km North East) on Lubya village lands.{{·}} The remains of Lubiya are south of the 77 while lavi is north of the 77, Givat Avni (1 Km east of the site of the remains of Lubiya) is closer to the remains of Lubiya than Lavi.{{·}} The South African Forest is another famous case of ripping out orchards replacing with pines and then calling it making Israel green.{{·}} ], 32° 41' 42.65’’ N 35° 28' 04.95’’ E {{·}} ], {{·}} ], 32° 45' 38.70’’ N 35° 32' 26.35’’ E the 0.5 sq km of Olive plantation {{·}} south of the village structures was ploughed under and replaced by bare ground in the Israeli programme "making the deserts bloom"{{·}}I'm making it up about it being part of a programme called "making the deserts bloom", however the 0.5 km plantation was ploughed up and left bare, not even a tree{{·}} ], are you sure that there was an al-Manshiyya in the District of Tiberias? Manshiyya Acre, Manshiyya Safad, Manshiyya Tulkarm even a Manshiyya Beisan but Tiberias?{{·}} ], 32° 53' 36.00’’ N 35° 24' 59.95’’ E{{·}} ] aka Nasir ad-Din, Nasr ed Din, Nasir ed Din, (mostly with the prefix Khirbet) 32° 46' 43.15’’ N 35° 31' 29.65’’ E{{·}} ], {{·}} ], aka Nuqeib 32° 47' 57.05’’ N 35° 38' 26.60’’ E on the Eastern side of the Lake {{·}}(clever place to put the village, I wasted 1/2 a day scouring the maps of the western side of the lake. Note to self look at article to see if there are any clues to where the place is){{·}} ], {{·}} ], aka Talhum 32° 52' 55.25’’ N 35° 34' 42.80’’ E, Tell Hum, Arab es Semakiyeh{{·}} ], {{·}} ], {{·}} ], {{·}} ], {{·}} ], {{·}} ], {{·}} ]. | |||
| ==]== | |||
| ===South African Forest (ruins of Lubiya)=== | |||
| == Semiramis hotel bombing == | |||
| The "Ruins of Lubiya" were euphemistically annotated as the "heaps" of Lubiya by Israeli cartographers in the 50s. | |||
| Lavi is a surname plucked from the Talmud (talmudic version of Levi) and plonked down on the new town of Lavi due to phonetic similarity and not through any biblical connection. | |||
| Hi Mr "I am blocked and proud to be" ;-)<br/> | |||
| Would you have access to any official documents related to Semiramis hotel bombing on Jan05 1948 ?<br/> | |||
| I lack wp:rs sources giving the academic palestinian pov on the issue. If you have any, it is welcome in the article.<br/> | |||
| Rgds, ] (]) 17:29, 14 December 2008 (UTC) | |||
| for further explanation of the ruins of Lubiya/Lubya and the South African Forest read;- | |||
| Tell Tiamut that it was the Spainish <s>vice consul not</s> consul....Viscount de Tapia,// Alfred M. Lilienthal. (1978) The Zionist Connection: What Price Peace? Dodd, Mead, ISBN 0396075649 p 359//.and.//Qumsiyeh, Mazin B. (2004) Sharing the Land of Canaan: Human Rights and the Israeli-Palestinian Struggle Pluto Press, ISBN 0745322484 p 102//. ...] (]) 20:39, 14 December 2008 (UTC) | |||
| Uri Davis (2003) Apartheid Israel: possibilities for the struggle within Publisher Zed Books, {{ISBN|1842773399}} pp 53-59 | |||
| There are so few Palestinian RS sources available, I can only think of one book that has been written about the Semiramis hotel bombing that is not from the Israeli perspective...I was reading it about 3 months ago in relation to ] after Hebron 1929...I'm glad you reminded me about him...I can't remember the name of the book or the author, now I'm going to have to make a trip up to Manchester library as it will bug me until I find out...] (]) 20:02, 14 December 2008 (UTC) | |||
| :I learned Cafferatta's history in "One Palestine. Complete" of Segev. With Segev's perspective, I think the Cafferatta's case must give a good insight of what should have been the British disappointement and bitterness at that time ! | |||
| :] (]) 11:39, 15 December 2008 (UTC) | |||
| What the doesn't bother to inform you about is the massive deforestation that was carried out to re-plant none productive Pine and Cypress trees. | |||
| But did you know that Irgun then carried several attacks on Cafferatta forcing him to leave Palestine...] (]) 16:38, 16 December 2008 (UTC) | |||
| Nur Masalha (2005) Catastrophe remembered: Palestine, Israel and the internal refugees : essays in memory of Edward W. Said (1935-2003) Publisher Zed Books, {{ISBN|1842776231}} pp 192-193 | |||
| Ben-Yehuda, Nachman (1993) Political Assassinations by Jews: A Rhetorical Device for Justice SUNY Press, ISBN 0791411656 | |||
| The Khan while on what was village land is the other side of Giv'at Avni at coords 32° 46' 51.50’’ N 35° 26' 54.65’’ E | |||
| PS the only Official docs are UN reports...] (]) 21:39, 14 December 2008 (UTC) | |||
| Nathan, Susan “The other side of Israel, my journey across the Jewish-Arab divide.” Harper perennial {{ISBN|0-00-719511-7}} p 236 | |||
| is that all you've got on ]? | |||
| :No. of course not. But I am sure I don't have a palestinian perspective. ] (]) 11:39, 15 December 2008 (UTC) | |||
| and why I'm using Lubiya. Lubiya is the transliteration used on the British mapping and I do not know what the better transliteration is. Books such as:- | |||
| Palestinian reaction to the bombing and flight can be found in:- | |||
| Ghada Karmi (2004) '''In Search of Fatima: A Palestinian Story.''' Verso, ISBN 1859845614 p 90 | |||
| Salomon E. Grootkerk (2000) Ancient sites in Galilee: a toponymic gazetteer Publisher BRILL, {{ISBN|9004115358}} are a waste of book shelf space due to the fact that they use European transliteration and have absolutely no reference whatsoever to any Arabic when looking at the history of name changes. | |||
| Smith, Gerald L.K. (1973) '''The Cross and the Flag''' Christian Nationalist Crusade p 37. gives it as Spanish '''acting''' consul. | |||
| ===odd bits to District of Tiberias=== | |||
| Cohen, Hillel (2008) '''Army of Shadows: Palestinian Collaboration with Zionism, 1917-1948''' Translated by Haim Watzman University of California Press, ISBN 0520252217 p 252 (very interesting book on collaboration, expensive but decidedly worth buying, good bits on Hebron and dividing Palestinian Nationalism), on information about it being an Arab HQ. | |||
| al Dalhamiyya; Fruma Zachs (2005) The making of Syrian identity: intellectuals and merchants in nineteenth century Beirut Publisher Brill, {{ISBN|9004141693}}, p 222 family of Wahyi al Din (1870s pan Arabist and council member of Beirut city council) moved to al Dalhamiyya. | |||
| It appears that Morris, yet again, only gives half the story of al Dalhamiyya. The inhabitants didn't evacuate on 15 April but remained, ran away from the advancing Haganah forces (but obviously not very far) as they returned and held on to their property until being forcibly evicted in November 1948. | |||
| names of Palestinian Arab dead can be found at | |||
| Pappé, Ilan, (reprint 2007) The ethnic cleansing of Palestine, Oneworld Publications Limited, {{ISBN|978-1-85168-467-0}} p 189 Dalhamiyya inhabitants evicted 5 November 1948 and land appropriated by the Kibbutz Ashdot Yaacov. quoting IDF archives; 51/1957, file 20/4. 11 November 1948 | |||
| Beinin, Joel (1991) '''Was the Red Flag Flying There?: Marxist Politics & the Arab-Israeli Conflict in Egypt and Israel, 1948-1965''' I.B.Tauris, ISBN 1850432929 p 60 quotes a ''Kol Ha'am'' contemporaneous report that puts the blame on Irgun for the bombing. | |||
| :Thx. I try to organise this. ] (]) 11:39, 15 December 2008 (UTC) | |||
| ===Manshiyya, Tiberias=== | |||
| Quigley, John B. (2005) The Case for Palestine: An International Law Perspective Duke University Press, ISBN 0822335395 p 43 "Dastardly and wholesale murder of" | |||
| Morris only mentions Manshiyya, Safad, Acre and Yaffa (Tulkarm). The maps of 42 only have Manshiyya Safad, Acre and Tulkarm. The 1946 maps also shows a Manshiyya in District of Beisan, the 1880s PEF don't have a Manshiyya in Tiberias area. Sami Hadawi, does not have anything on Manshiyya, Tiberias. The only mentions of manshiyya Tiberias is on the Palestine Remembered web site and the site gives 2 different positions, meaning that PR is not consistent within its site and if it is inconsistent then I tend to find it unreliable when not backed by other sources. So what do you want to do? My opinion is that ] should be deleted until such time as a RS is found. | |||
| ===]=== | |||
| and this can go back in:- | |||
| 32° 17' 33.00’’ N 34° 51' 41.55’’ E Morris village number 374 ordered out start of April 1948 Morris laughably refers to it as a "Migratory movement" (after an 1985 interview) it was a Bedouin village, with orchards and set fields for corn. | |||
| A ] report on the events used similar terminology, stating : "(...) Haganah terrorists made a most barbarous attack at one o’clock in the early morning of Monday, 5 January 1948, at Semiramis Hotel in the Katamon section of Jerusalem killing innocent people and wounding many. The Jewish terrorist forces blasted the entrance to the hotel by a small bomb and then placed bombs in the basement of the building. As a result of the explosion the whole building collapsed with its residents. As the terrorists withdrew, they started shooting at the houses in the neighborhood.”<ref> quoting UN Security Council official Records, Supplements 1948, Doc. S/740.</ref> | |||
| ===Daliyat al-Rawha=== | |||
| ==Palestinian and Egyptian support for the partition plan== | |||
| Daliyat al-Rawha also spelt Daliyat ar Ruha and Daliat-El-Ruha 32° 35' 28.15’’ N 35° 04' 41.00’’ E see Dalia, Israel see Morris (2006) p xvi village number 162 Military assault and whisper campaign on the village which according to WP:] didn't exist? | |||
| Beinin, Joel (1991) Was the Red Flag Flying There?: Marxist Politics & the Arab-Israeli Conflict in Egypt and Israel, 1948-1965 I.B.Tauris, ISBN 1850432929 pp60-61 | |||
| Yosef Weitz (Director of the JNF lands department) on Palestinian Arab tenant Farmers:- | |||
| is not the time to be rid of them ? Why continue to keep in our midst these thorns at a time when they pose a danger to us? Our people as considering . Weitz Diary III p 223 entry for 11 January 1948. Morris (2006) pp 131 and 159 | |||
| == general use of the term 'Massacre' == | |||
| He organised the eviction of tenant farmers at Daliyat al-Ruha.Weitz Diary III p 256-257 entry for 26 March 1948. Morris (2006) pp 132 and 159 | |||
| At present the term massacre appears to be abused. | |||
| In reality, HGS began thinking of destroying the villages around the kibbutz shortly after Qawuqji launched his attack. On 5 April, HGS\Operations instructed the Golani Brigade: 'You must tell the following villages...that we cannot assure their safety and security, and that they must evacuate forthwith.' Among the four villages named were Abu Shusha, next to Mishmar Ha'emek, and Daliyat al Ruha and Rihaniya, 4-5 kilometres to the west-northwest. Morris (2006) pp 241 & 296 | |||
| #Using Israeli sources for describing a incident in which Israelis are killed as a massacre is not good enough as an RS source. | |||
| #Using Arab or Palestinian sources for describing a incident in which Palestinians are killed as a massacre is not good enough as an RS source. | |||
| On 22 April, then Hagana command, agreed to provide the manpower and equipment to set up five new settlements, all on Jewishn owned (or non-Arab) land - at Khirbet ad Duweir, Kafr Misr, Ma'lul, Ashrafiya and Daliyat ar Ruha. Weitz Diary III p 271-272 entry for 22 April 1948. Morris (2006) pp 372 & 405 | |||
| #The UN use the criteria of 50 civilians killed in one incident as the base line for the use of the term massacre. | |||
| #Bad English, you can't have Khisas massacre or HaRav massacre as neither Khisas nor HaRav were massacred. Semiramis was not massacred it was demolished, People get massacred not places. | |||
| By June 1948 the palestinian Arab village of Daliyat al-Rawha had been erased. Almost certainly on the basis of a progress report from Weiz, Ben Gurion, on 16 June, partially summarised the destruction of villages to date: Al Mughar, Fajja, Biyar Adas have been destroyed. Miska, Beit Dajan (east of Tel Aviv), in Hula , Hawassa near Hiafa, al Sumeiriya near Acre and Ja'tun near Nahariya, Manshiya...near Acre, Daliyat ar Ruha has been destroyed and work is about to begin at Buteimat and Sabbarin. DBG-YH II p 523-24 Entry for 16 June 1948. Morris (2006) pp 350 and 398 | |||
| *personally I would vote for massacre to be not used at all but due to 'conflation for political purposes' if it is to be used them it should be used with even handedness. | |||
| According to the contemporaneous records the land was PICA owned with Palestinian Arab tenant farmers not quite what WP:] states. | |||
| with Nudve chirping in (this is without pointing out the IP collaboration discussion on the massacre naming convention where Nudve had contributed). | |||
| == Irgun 'terrorist' == | |||
| ===Dar al Hanun=== | |||
| For your list Ceedjee:- | |||
| Unrecognised village established in 1925. | |||
| //As they saw it, their function as terrorists was to “liquidat the worst government officials,”// Richard Thompson Hull | |||
| A Quarter Century of Value Inquiry: Presidential Addresses of the American Society for Value Inquiry American Society for Value Inquiry published by Rodopi, 1994 p 242 ISBN 9051836724 p 242, Richard T. Hull qualifications | |||
| Lehi declared a terrorist organisation on 20 September 1948 by the Israeli government.//Pedahzur, Ami (2002) The Israeli Response to Jewish Extremism and Violence: Defending Democracy Manchester University Press, ISBN 0719063728 p 77// | |||
| ==Gaza beach explosion (2006)== | |||
| Note one editorialisation. | |||
| //The Israeli effort to acquit the Israel Defence Forces of having killed seven Palestinian civilians on a Gaza beach Friday was placed in an ironic light yesterday, as additional civilians were killed in a missile strike in Gaza City... The attempt to wage a political public relations battle to justify Israel's moves is doomed to failure. It appears that, in any case, the average observer in the West sees the post-disengagement conflict here as a bloodbath in which assassinations are indistinguishable from acts of revenge.//AMOS HAREL & AVI ISSACHAROFF IN ISRAEL'S HA'ARETZ | |||
| Events overtaken? No really... | |||
| on the 41 maps it possibly appears as Rujm al Ahmar. | |||
| I think I'll start an article ]. | |||
| ] to be renamed massacre RS sourse says so. Michael P. Prior (1999) Zionism and the State of Israel: A Moral Inquiry Routledge, ISBN 0415204623 p 93 Interestingly puts the blame on Merc HaRav Yesh..That should be fun...] (]) 18:03, 16 December 2008 (UTC) | |||
| Merkas HaRav teachings based on Jewish messianic nationalism Ibid p 100 | |||
| and the usual one rule for Jewish Israelis and another rule for Palestinian Israelis | |||
| //The riots resulted in the death of over twenty// Is this POV or NPOV? Is 20 enough for Oboler to consider it a massacre? 8 in HaRav enough (even though the RS say shooting) 10 to 12 in Khisas not enough is 2.5 time Palestinians to Jewish Israeli deaths enough of a ratio. probably Oboler will only be satisfied with a 10:1 ratio....] (]) 09:34, 17 December 2008 (UTC) | |||
| ==Coords== | |||
| If you are free to do so, I need coords for ] and ]. I want to make absolutely sure they are not the same place by appending the geographical coordinates for any doubters. Thanks. ]<sup>]</sup> 13:46, 17 December 2008 (UTC) | |||
| ] 32° 24' 09.10’’ N 34° 56' 43.96’’ E by ] | |||
| ==User:Keverich1== | |||
| ] 32° 32' 56.51’’ N 35° 10' 58.78’’ E ] built on village land Benny page xx village 127 Ara valley should be changed to the district name as per established naming convention as in ]. | |||
| ] ] and then ] ] (note; Jiujitsuguy after making 20 edits already knows who is pro-Israeli?) | |||
| correction to ] 33° 15’ 34.12’’ N 35° 34’ 51.80’’ E sorry looking at gaza district at the time and put the wrong set of co-ords to ] | |||
| correction to ], 33° 00’ 20.12’’ N 35° 28’ 01.32’’ E NW of Safad (originals incorrect eastings, I must have been trying to do 2 things at once) | |||
| User Keverich1 likes to demonise, ] given that Hitler himself didn't invade Poland but the German Army did, Keverich1 removed nuance to insert . | |||
| Note Tiamut Khirbat Zalafa was by Givat Haim not Givat Oz. Zalafa, Jenin was built on by Givat Oz | |||
| also Benny contradicts himself at this point in saying Khirbat Zalafa inhabitants were 'probably pressured to leave' <Birth p 245.> | |||
| I was so amused by ...it takes one, to know one? LOL! Cheers, ] (]) 23:22, 8 October 2009 (UTC) | |||
| ] 33° 04' 30.66’’ N 35° 27' 19.84’’ E | |||
| It is ammussing that the pro-Israeli faction spend more time on wiki-Lawyering and searching for alleged infractions than on editing....] (]) 12:56, 12 October 2009 (UTC) | |||
| ==Un-sourced says ]== | |||
| ::You know, I *almost* believed Millmoss....he protested soooo strongly that he wasn´t Nocal/LoverOfTheRussianQueen etc. Then I noticed ...and fancy that; after that he became awfully quiet..Lol! ] (]) 10:30, 26 October 2009 (UTC) | |||
| 1955 US ambassador Johnson negotiated the Jordan Valley Unified Water Plan, this has formed an important precedent. Existing utilization patterns have also serve as an important factor in determining the allocation of water in the region.<refCronin, Patrick M. (2008) ''The Evolution of Strategic Thought'' Routledge, ISBN 0415459613 p 189/ref> Strange but I'm quite sure this is a reference Cronin, Patrick M. (2008) ''The Evolution of Strategic Thought'' Routledge, ISBN 0415459613 p 189 Can anybody else please try to explain when a reference suddenly gets considered as not a reference?????????????????????? Or is it just Nocal100 going ] again??????????????????? {{unsigned| Ashley kennedy3|23:46, December 14, 2008}} | |||
| : Ashley, please try to keep comments ], thanks. I'd really like to give you another chance, but if you're just going to disrupt again, your next block will be for even longer, probably a month. However, if you can show that you can act with more self-control, we might even be able to lift the current block early. The choice is yours. --]]] 06:40, 15 December 2008 (UTC) | |||
| :The problem I have with being civil with the likes of Nocal100 is that his/her their faults can only be explained in terms of a long involved complaint, this means that the complaint is then normally put down by any oversight as 'content' and therefore ignored, leading to frustration, incivility and or driving decent editors who know the subject away; leaving articles in a state of being inaccurate and misleading.....Most of the decent editors that are pro-Palestinian would prefer not to be involved with wiki lawyering (as it is a waste of editing time) and we do leave our personal POV in our shirt pocket when editing...Most of the contentious articles are uncivil to Tiamut and her nationality in a systemic racist manner, this is put down as allowable because it is a 'content' issue; hence I term it systemic... | |||
| == Sheikh Bureik == | |||
| Most of the issues in the IP conflict need nuanced phasing; NoCal100 is unable or unwilling to make or accept a nuanced phrase, so most articles become a struggle over content. Nocal100 will not accept that there are 2 historiographies in the IP conflict; leading to conflict in content. NoCal100 appears to believe that the Israeli MFA is a reliable source and does not accept that the Israeli MFA should be read with extreme care as it is 'protagonist' and not RS...] (]) 08:47, 15 December 2008 (UTC) | |||
| Hi, hope you are surviving...here is a little task for you, see ]? Do you have any idea as to the co-ords?...if you go to the ]-article...click on the "Israel in Photos" external link at the bottom; you will see the shrine...Cheers, ] (]) 23:17, 8 October 2009 (UTC) | |||
| *]...How NoCal100 makes his/her lack of knowledge, unwillingness to research and unwillingness to seek consensus into an apparent 'content' dispute. | |||
| Yes I do know the coords. 32° 40’ 17.75’’ N 34° 56’ 21.50’’ E... next to the motor way (2) just South-East of Neve Yam...] (]) 12:43, 12 October 2009 (UTC) | |||
| 1.mass deletion using the phase ''not directly relevant to banias''. | |||
| Someone tell Himalaya that the coords are done...] (]) 11:30, 14 October 2009 (UTC) | |||
| :superficially that looks fine; but, and it's a bloody big but, the Jordan river basin and upper Jordan River are inter-connected. What is done in one area affects all the riparian right holder (and led to a war). | |||
| Huldra, Zero has given you access to a good series of British Mandate maps; unfortunately of the series of 12 maps covering British mandated Palestine only 8 are available in the Florida library. Guess what; Sheikh Bureik is on Map sheet 3 marked as Kh Sh Bureik from the University of Florida Smathers Library...Sheikh Bureik is/was north of al Tantura, south of Atlit, west of Ein Carmel South West of al Mazar on the coastal plain bordered by the coast highway 2.... ] (]) 17:28, 14 October 2009 (UTC) | |||
| '''The first Arab summit conference ratified the Arab strategy to thwart Israel’s NWC Plan ] marshes]. The strategy was designed to divert Jordan’s tributaries and prepare the Arab armies for the defence of the engineering operations.''' //Shemesh, Moshe (2008) Arab Politics, Palestinian Nationalism and the Six Day War: The Crystallization of Arab Strategy and Nasir's Descent to War, 1957-1967 Sussex Academic Press, ISBN 1845191889 p 67// | |||
| :::Are you sure about this?? --there were *two* Sheikh Bureik; read the discussion here: ], ...I hope you have not given me the co-ords to the wrong one?? I´m collecting sources for a total of 4 new achitect. articles, see: | |||
| :This is obvious to anyone who has even the most superficial knowledge of the Banias. It is equivalent of the 'sun coming up tomorrow'. | |||
| ::::] | |||
| ::::] | |||
| ::::] | |||
| ::::] | |||
| :::If you know of any more sources: do tell! take care, ] (]) 22:28, 15 October 2009 (UTC) | |||
| The Google map position is the position I have given co-ordinates for. Or rather I've given the position slightly further west as per the old maps in the national Forest planted over the village alongside the coastal route 2....I'll look for the 2nd Sheik Bureik and try to establish which one is which .....] (]) 23:14, 15 October 2009 (UTC) | |||
| :Anyone who starts asking for citations on that 'fact' is showing their complete ignorance on Banias, the upper Jordan River and the 1967 war. | |||
| The Northern Sheik Bureik or Shyah Abaryek is by Tivon and the Beit Shearim Jewish necropolis and has nothing to do with the Sheik Bureik Islamic shrine at Sheik Bureik, Haifa. I've given you the co-ords for the Islamic shrine Sheik Bureik, Haifa...(both are in National Forests)...] (]) 23:36, 15 October 2009 (UTC) | |||
| 2. Replace accurate and reliable sourced material with 'misleading and inaccurate material'. (see below for critical analysis of NoCal100's revision) | |||
| ::Ok; you have given me the *wrong* coords then :( ..if you look at the this file: http://en.wikipedia.org/File:Sheikh_Abreik_Grave_in_Kiryat_Tiv'on,_Israel.jpg..it is clearly by Beit Shearim (which is NOT only a wholly Jewish necropolis; that was sort of the point...) Also, if you look at the "external links" under ]: "Israel in photos"..you will see the shrine...] (]) 00:43, 16 October 2009 (UTC) | |||
| :since when is 3 countries working together with the backing of 10 other countries called 'unilaterally'? Triodecilaterally maybe, but not unilaterally. Again to remove an 'obvious' connection within the upper Jordan. | |||
| ::Read this note from Zero: ] (]) 00:46, 16 October 2009 (UTC) | |||
| Conclusion:- | |||
| :NoCal100 made a mass deletion based on his own ignorance of the issues involved and demands that all other more knowledgeable editors acquiesce to his position of ignorance, the question of ''why the hell is NoCal100 editing on a subject he knows nothing about'' is then raised? Why doesn't NoCal100 research the issues him/herself before making an edit? The answer is NoCal100's pro-Israeli POV.... | |||
| Got ya. Ash sh Bureik Beit Shearim national forest map ref to the F J Salmon mapping 162500E 234000N. coords are 32° 42’ 16.20’’ N 35° 07’ 45.70’’ E. However the Salmon mapping indicates the shrine at Kh Ash Sheik Bureik at co-ords 32° 42’ 07.65’’ N 35° 07’ 44.75’’ E (a short distance along the ridge from Ash Sheik Bureik, the funny little semi circles indicate tombs, shrines and ruins on the F J Salmon mapping unfortunately most of the military versions omitted parts of the Legend so as not to confuse the soldiers)...] (]) 01:15, 16 October 2009 (UTC) | |||
| ::Ok; thanks, I´ve taken the second set then; I assume that was for the shrine (the village was apparently to the north of the shrine), ] (]) 01:24, 16 October 2009 (UTC) | |||
| As zero correctly pointed out the shrine was close by spot height 137 metres....his overlay agreed with the Salmon mapping, so I would take that as confirmation for the coords at Kh ash Sheik Bureik (the second set, 32° 42’ 07.65’’ N 35° 07’ 44.75’’ E)....] (]) 01:35, 16 October 2009 (UTC) | |||
| ==Critical analysis of one paragraph of NoCal100's revisions== | |||
| //In the mid 1950s, Israel unilaterally started construction of the ], within the Jordan River basin. This caused shelling from Syria and friction with the ]; the diversion was moved to the southwest.{{Fact|working on ref, many available|date=November 2008}} In the 1964, Syria unilaterally started development of the water resources of Banias for irrigation along the slopes of the Golan toward the ]. The project to divert 20 to 30 million cubic metres of water from the river Jordan tributaries to Syria was agreed upon at the 2nd Arab summit conference.<ref>Political Thought and Political History: Studies in Memory of Elie Kedourie By Elie Kedourie, M. Gammer, Joseph Kostiner, Moshe Shemesh, Routledge, (2003) ISBN 0714652962 p 165</ref> This led to military intervention from Israel, first with tank fire and then, as the Syrians shifted the works further eastward, with airstrikes.// | |||
| What strikes me as unusual is that at a time when the use of Hellenic/Greek was very much frowned upon by Judaism that the necropolis is full of Greek inscriptions...] (]) 01:44, 16 October 2009 (UTC) | |||
| #replaces referenced sourced material with material that has citation needed.//goes without saying sourced for unsoured questionable material// | |||
| #Syria unilaterally (un-sourced). Incorrect done in partnership with Lebanon and Jordan with Arab league backing as agreed at the 2nd Arab league conference as per the citation supplied by myself earlier 2 sentences later in the paragraph. The paragraph by NoCal100's revision is then internally inconsistent misleading and inaccurate.//as per ref in the same para// If what NoCal100 means is that the works were carried out without Israeli permission then he/she needs to find a reference to say that such as: The first Arab summit conference ratified the Arab strategy to '''thwart Israel’s NWC Plan '''. The strategy was designed to divert Jordan’s tributaries and prepare the Arab armies for the defence of the engineering operations. //Shemesh, Moshe (2008) Arab Politics, Palestinian Nationalism and the Six Day War: The Crystallization of Arab Strategy and Nasir's Descent to War, 1957-1967 Sussex Academic Press, ISBN 1845191889 p 67// | |||
| #irrigation along the slopes of the Golan.(again un-sourced)??? Incorrect, it was a canal to divert water to the Yarmuk water storage dams.//Loads of sources supplied on this point obviously NoCal100 hasn't read them, the best ref for it is probably: Shemesh, Moshe (2008) Arab Politics, Palestinian Nationalism and the Six Day War: The Crystallization of Arab Strategy and Nasir's Descent to War, 1957-1967 Sussex Academic Press, ISBN 1845191889 pp 49-50// | |||
| #works further eastward??? Really, no the works were not moved, the Syrian chose a different section of the canal to construct further '''south''' (further away from Israel's artillery emplacements opposite the central DMZ) that would have connected to the temporarily abandoned works at Banias at a later date.//Shemesh, Moshe (2008) Arab Politics, Palestinian Nationalism and the Six Day War: The Crystallization of Arab Strategy and Nasir's Descent to War, 1957-1967 Sussex Academic Press, ISBN 1845191889 pp 120-130// | |||
| ::Ok, thanks; have added the co-ords...as for the rest: see the discussion Zero &I have had on each orhers talk-pages...And *do* read the Sharon-pages (through google), which are linked now in the article...] (]) 01:49, 16 October 2009 (UTC) | |||
| That is just one paragraph where 4 gross errors are found as a random sample of NoCal100's editing practises..Marks out 10 for NoCal100? Nocal100 is into minus figures...it would have been 1 for effort but NoCal100 lost that by removing accurate and reliable sourced material to replace it with 'garbage'. has NoCal100 tried to insert this one paragraph multiple times? Yes. has this led to a breakdown in the development of the article? Yes. Has NoCal100 sought consensus for his/her deletions? No...Deleting and then demanding that everyone must seek his/her permission to edit the page is not seeking consensus...] (]) 11:08, 15 December 2008 (UTC) | |||
| The Sharon link was good but the PEF's SWP was absolutely fascinating...note the survey of Sheik Breik area was started by the PEF on 26th November 1872 and sergeant Black was assaulted (ref p 24 of SWP)....] (]) 03:16, 16 October 2009 (UTC) | |||
| :Your analysis are too long. | |||
| :You must select most relevant points. | |||
| :Readers who have the power to act (eg admin) are not used to read, they are just used to act according to their punctal emotion weighted by their current agressivity. | |||
| :A too long text to read upset them versus the writer ! | |||
| :Some clear and very obvious abuses enjoy them because it opens the doors to a "non-criticable" agressive action from them :-) | |||
| :That is a basic social feeling. You should have this in mind. | |||
| :] (]) 11:52, 15 December 2008 (UTC) | |||
| ::Hmm, *please* give direct link, this time to SWP, 1881, I, ..I think he was assaulted by the villagers of el Harithiyeh.....(wherever that was..) ..And yeah, I *know*...there is *tons* of info to be added.... and I got the SWP-link from Sharon (it was not online when the book was published!) ] (]) 04:51, 17 October 2009 (UTC) | |||
| The greatest problem is in the fact that the administrators are not knowledgeable about the subject that they are attempting to arbitrate on...NoCal100 et al rely on the administrators being 'unaware' to enable their 'POV' to appear as 'content dispute' and not as 'knowledge versus POV'...It's the equivalent of asking a 5th former to mark a doctoral thesis...] (]) 12:14, 15 December 2008 (UTC) | |||
| (]) 1936- 1940 excavation of Beit Shearim necropolis and town conducted by B Mazar. | |||
| ==POV Statement== | |||
| //In addition to the villages abandoned in the West Bank during the Six-Day War, over 100,000 Golan Heights residents abandoned about 25 villages whether on orders of the Syrian government or the fear of an attack by the Israeli Defense Forces and forced expulsion after the cease fire.// | |||
| Avraham Negev, Shimon Gibson (2005) Archaeological encyclopedia of the Holy Land Publisher Continuum International Publishing Group, {{ISBN|0826485715}}, p 48 | |||
| should read:- | |||
| *//In addition to the villages evacuated or where the residents were expelled in the West Bank during the Six-Day War, over 100,000 Golan Heights residents were evacuated from about 25 villages whether on orders of the Syrian government or through fear of an attack by the Israeli Defense Forces and forced expulsion after the cease fire.// | |||
| I was just following the dates of the original surface survey and the early digs around Sheik Bureik, a wee bit different to the info available in the current article...] (]) 11:39, 17 October 2009 (UTC) | |||
| Cronin, Patrick M. (2008) ''The Evolution of Strategic Thought'' Routledge, ISBN 0415459613 p 189 | |||
| It was on the questions of Jewish Life in the Galilee in the “post-destruction” period that Bet She’arim excavations focused (1936-1940). Bet She’arim ”is known in Jewish literary sources as a city of the late Second temple Period and continued to exist during the centuries immediately following the Temples destruction” (Mazar 1973:1). Bet She’arim and “its neighbourhood” were initially possessions of the Hasmoneans (4). While its fate in the immediate aftermath of the “Jewish war” (i.e., late first century C.E.) is obscure (in literary sources), it appears that in the last quarter of the second century, Bet She’arim was a Jewish agricultural settlement and the home of one of the important Tannaim ” (ibid.) Moreover, “the change which came about in the Jewish settlements of the Galilee after the Bar Kochba Revolt (132-35 C.E.) marked a turning point in the history of Beth She’arim” (ibid.) It was in the aftermath of that defeat that “many Jews including leaders and sages, who had been forced to leave their homes in Judah, came to Galilee, settling Bet She’arim and its environs. The Antonine-Severine period (138-235 C.E.) was one of growth and posterity for Jewish settlements in the lower Galilee. Bet She’arim...grew to become one of the most important centers of Judaism in the days of Rabbi Judah ha-Nassi” (ibid) | |||
| ==Classic Fubar by an editor with extremist Israelophile POV== | |||
| (+Johnston plan) from (rm unsourced and seemingly out of place statements). removal of sourced statement on the Johnson plan to replace with unsourced statement on the Johnson plan. ??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? | |||
| ...Bet She’arim may well have ceased to exist as a Jewish city at the end of the fourth century... | |||
| ] | |||
| Nadia Abu El-Haj (2001) Facts on the ground: archaeological practice and territorial self-fashioning in Israeli society Publisher University of Chicago Press, {{ISBN|0226001954}} p 81 | |||
| Lead sentence:- | |||
| ===Sheik Bureik near Atlit=== | |||
| //Though the plan was rejected by the Arab League, Israel and Jordan undertook to abide by their allocations under the plan.// | |||
| Not known to many, but forever remembered by its former residents - the story of the Armenian village Sheikh Brak is one of Israeli ambivalence toward the Armenian Holocaust. | |||
| Sentences further down | |||
| :Ah, this was a very interesting article. The mausoleum mentioned in the article is described in Petersen, 2002, "A Gazetteer of Buildings in Muslim Palestine", pp 215, 216, also Figure 71, under the heading of "Malaha". Petersen gives the location as 32.40N/34.56E. According to figure 71, the tomb has *one* dome (unlike the other ], which has two). Also according to Petersen, it was mentioned in 1596-dafar (HG, p. 158) with 8 households. Also according to Petersen, it is mentioned in SWP, and , . According to Petersen, p 215: "The site does not appear to have been inhabited in the Mandate period, apart from temporary occupation around the shrine of Shaykh Burayk". Maybe an article in the future, *if* we could get a picture...Cheers, ] (]) 00:39, 9 November 2009 (UTC) | |||
| //The Plan was accepted by the technical committees from both Israel and the Arab League. A discussion in the Knesset in July 1955 ended without a a vote// | |||
| You're welcome Huldra...] (]) 02:02, 9 November 2009 (UTC) | |||
| ===Ein Hod/Ayn Hawd=== | |||
| //As well, Israel demanded more than doubling of its allocation, from 394 million m³ annually to 810 million m³.// | |||
| {{Infobox Kibbutz | |||
| |name=Ein Hawd | |||
| |pushpin_map=Israel haifa|pushpin_mapsize=250 | |||
| |coordinates = {{coord|32|41|30.15|N|35|00|00.80|E|display=inline,title}} | |||
| |latNS=N|longEW=E | |||
| |image=Atlit1870s.jpg | |||
| |imgsize=250 | |||
| |caption=Atlit and vicinity in the 1870s (actually its the 1880 map based on the PEF's SWP but with other info added ie caption is dubious and should be tagged or changed to reflect reality that is Atlit and vicinity in the 1880s see ]) | |||
| |hebname= | |||
| |arname= | |||
| |meaning=Spring of the trough | |||
| |foundation= | |||
| |altUnoSp=Ayn Hawd | |||
| |district=haifa | |||
| |population=65 | |||
| |popyear= | |||
| }} | |||
| On a side note; cartographic evidence, note that the orchards surrounding Ein Huad on the new series maps were uprooted by the JNF and replanted with cypresses as a national park during the "greening of Israel". How uprooting productive orchards that had been cultivated for generations and replanting with cypresses can be called making Israel green I'll never understand....] (]) 20:04, 14 October 2009 (UTC) | |||
| Susan Nathan in an interview with Abu Hayja describes the uprooting of Orchards on the Carmel Mountains around Ayn Hawd and subsequent re-forestation with pines and cypresses. Remarking that the 'buy a tree for Israel' was used as a weapon in the war against the Palestinian Israeli population of Ayn Hawd. Where the borders of the national Forest were set close to the Palestinian Israeli village of Ayn Hawd, with no allowance made for 'natural growth', while the national forest borders where set well outside the Jewish Israeli villages of Ein Hod and Nir Ezion to allow for plenty of 'natural growth'. | |||
| However Israel extracted 650-720 million cubic metres from the upper Jordan and 70-100 million cubic metres from the Yarmuk a total of 720-820 million cubic metres annually or 193% the amount allocated under the Johnson plan while Jordan received 120 million cubic metres of water or 17% of its allocation under the Johnson plan.//Efraim Karsh (2003) Israel, the Hashemites and the Palestinians: The Fateful Triangle Routledge, ISBN 0714654345 p 177// | |||
| Susan Nathan (2005) The Other side of Israel Published Harper Perennial {{ISBN|0-00-719511-7}} pp 129-130. | |||
| So how does that gel with NoCal100's statement in the article:- | |||
| Funny how ] doesn't also direct to the Palestinian Israeli village of ] (ecept in a very prefunctionary manner) not even in the see also section. | |||
| //Both Jordan and Israel undertook to operate within their allocations, and two major successful projects were completed - the Israeli National Water Carrier and Jordan's East Ghor Main Canal.// Someone's undertakings seem to be have sent to and undertaker and buried!!!!! | |||
| Initially the Israeli approved name given to the village by locals was Kefar Abû al-Hayjā. In 1978 the villagers were able to reclaim the name Ein Houd. Susan Slyomovics (1998) The Object of Memory: Arab and Jew Narrate the Palestinian Village University of Pennsylvania Press, {{ISBN|0812215257}} pp 120-121 | |||
| //The state of Israel was proclaimed on 14 may 1948, the influx of Palestinian refugees into Jordan prompted the government to plan for the development of Jordan valley water resources to create jobs for an expanded population and provide for a basic livelihood... | |||
| The hebrewdisation has caused a fundamental name change; while Hebrew Ein and Arabic Ayn both mean a spring, while the phonetically similar Hod and Hawd have different meanings, Ein Hod: spring of glory, Ayn Hawd: spring of the trough. | |||
| The basic principle of the plan formulated by MacDonald and Partners for the Hashemite Kingdom in 1951 was adhered to by the Arab plan that followed. The firm asserted that “the principle, which to our minds has an undoubted moral and natural basis, is that the waters in a catchment area should not be diverted outside this area unless requirements of all those who use or genuinely intend to use the waters within the area have been satisfied// | |||
| The Ayn Hawd redirect should be turned into a dis-ambiguous page directing to Ein Hod and Ayn Hawd (the hebrewdised Ein should be dropped and replaced with the Arabic transliteration Ayn) | |||
| Haddadin, Munther J. (2006) Water Resources in Jordan: Evolving Policies for Development, the Environment, and Conflict Resolution. Resources for the Future, ISBN 1933115327 p 238 | |||
| ===F J Salmon Mapping=== | |||
| which 'obviously' would have been included in reference had Nocal100 not cherry picked...] (]) 20:55, 15 December 2008 (UTC) | |||
| :on another side note we could do with an article on the Fredrick John Salmon maps (he was the director of Survey and the land office when the maps, that zero linked to, were produced). Although F J Salmon was more cadastraly (land use and ownership) inclined he produced those lovely topographical maps (although the series in Florida University is the later military version). | |||
| Water and conflict on the Jordan River | |||
| Note: the early part map of 'Ain Haud and Atlit area without the (military) grid overlay. More use of colour, more annotations of features, no contour lines and greater cadastral detailing. The Sheik Abreik tomb is annotated rather than the later dot and half crescent moon symbol. | |||
| Un-ratified Johnson Plan superseded by the 1997 UN Convention on the Non-Navigational Uses of International Water Courses. | |||
| == Article request == | |||
| //The plan did not receive approval of the league of Arab States, meeting in Cairo in October 1955, and it dried because of increasing tensions in the region. Politics came first, water cooperation second.// | |||
| Palestine Investment Fund (PIF) | |||
| Efraim Karsh (2003) Israel, the Hashemites and the Palestinians: The Fateful Triangle Routledge, ISBN 0714654345 p 174 | |||
| The fund (with $872m of assets) has re-emerged from Fatah control to what looks like a good investment vehicle to develop Palestine. So far the auspices look good, if it can get passed the Israeli building restrictions on Palestinians building for Palestinian "natural" growth within the West Bank. The PIF was initially established in 1995 and then later re-established in Palestine by decree of the President of the Palestinian National Authority (Arafat) on 1st October, 2000. It is a separate legal entity that aims to acquire/invest, and to sell/dispose off Portfolio Investments, Liquid Investments, and Temporary Investments that promote economic growth and infrastructure development in Palestine." | |||
| Israel exceeded its Johnston's quota when its hydrostrategic position allowed it to do that after the 1967 War | |||
| Remarks by US Secretary of State Warren Christopher During the Announcement of Qatari-Palestinian Investment Fund 29 October 1995 at Marriott Hotel Amman, Jordan | |||
| Maude Barlow, Tony Clarke (2007) Blue Gold: The Battle Against Corporate Theft of the World's Water Earthscan, ISBN 1844070247 p 20 | |||
| (Dooh Mr Orme as it wasn't a secret 5 years previously it could hardly be called a secret in 2000, or maybe secret to Mr Orme means un-aware of what's public knowledge) | |||
| An independent Palestinian Company, with all its assets and capital belonging to the Palestinian people. PIF aims to develop a sustainable, strong Palestinian National Economy, through different strategic investments in association with the private sector, | |||
| The UNRWA commissioned a plan for the development of the Jordan River; this became widely known as “The Johnson plan”. The plan was modelled on the Tennessee Valley Authority development plan for the development of the Jordan River as a single unit. Greg Shapland, (1997) Rivers of Discord: International Water Disputes in the Middle East C. Hurst & Co. Publishers, ISBN 1850652147 p 14 | |||
| Disagreements within the management board over the mechanism for managing the PIF's investments in Arab countries led to businessman Samir Said Khouri and businessman Engineer Jawdat al-Khudari submitting resignations in March 2005. | |||
| At the time when investment in Palestine was being encouraged not merely to increase the size of the economy, but also to increase private sector employment, generate income, and improve living standards US lawyers froze the US funds of the PIF. | |||
| Hasbani | |||
| Overseas Private Investment Corporation, OPIC, in partnership with the World Bank's International Finance Corporation, the United Kingdom's Department for International Development, the Palestine Investment Fund, and the Bank of Palestine, created a $500 million mortgage lending facility (AMAL, Affordable Mortgage and Loan company) in the West Bank. Remarks by US Treasury Deputy Secretary Robert M. Kimmitt at the Palestine Investment Conference 21 may 2008 | |||
| {{unsigned |Ashley kennedy3}} | |||
| : Ashley, I removed NoCal100's name from the section header. What I'd really like you to focus on from this point forward is: | |||
| :* Staying civil | |||
| :* Keep your posts short | |||
| :* Separate your comments by venue: Comments about an ''article'', or comments about an ''editor'' | |||
| :* When commenting about an article, don't refer to other editors, just focus on the article | |||
| :* When commenting about an editor, provide specific diffs of problematic behavior | |||
| : Thanks, --]]] 23:56, 15 December 2008 (UTC) | |||
| Mohammad Mustafa, the chairman (assuming the leadership of PIF in 2006) and CEO of the PIF, doubled as Abbas's chief economic adviser. | |||
| :#I use my talk page as a note pad for things for me to follow up. This page is private thoughts on wiki articles (allowing me to keep wiki editing thoughts away from reality, as in I have a life and do not wish wiki to intrude on normal life, so I leave wiki thoughts on wiki and not in my head) | |||
| :#I do not expect any action over Nocal100. | |||
| :#I do not do wikilawyering | |||
| :#this will probably continue until someone realises that NoCal100 has problems with; Calton, Tiamut, Nishidani, Ashley Kennedy, Casual Observer and then ask the question 'is it all these productive editors the problem or it NoCal100'. | |||
| :#Civil behaviour is what I expect, what NoCal100 writes may be sound civil but it does not follow that his/her actions are civil, and his/her actions are not. Being civil does not mean ignoring the obvious. | |||
| :#Do not expect much civility when I have had uncivil treatment from wiki. A 1 month block for NoCal100 reporting his/her unfounded suspicions about sockpuppets. Now check my IP and Charlie O'Sulivans IP, oh mines in Southport and Charlie's is in Oldham but behavioural suspicions works for the admin that NoCal100 uses and you say that behavioural suspicions count for nothing????...] (]) 01:09, 16 December 2008 (UTC) | |||
| ::: Okay, let me put this another way: What would you most like to see happen at this point, to make you a happy Misplaced Pages editor? What wrong would you like to see righted? --]]] 01:15, 16 December 2008 (UTC) | |||
| Palestine Investment Fund was a Fatah/PLO controlled portfolio; the administration and control was transferred to the Palestinian authority and administered by a reform-minded finance minister, Salam Fayyad. | |||
| ::The perfect world scenario...A team of dedicated article fact checkers (involved admin rather than uninvolved admin) that can force an editor to remain on one article until it is up to standard..Proper 'Peer review'..citations for every line...none established editors only allowed to add citations (there are all the old articles that are lacking in citations) until 'licensed' to work on articles... | |||
| *"What wrong would you like to see righted?" How much time have you spare, a week, a month or a year? | |||
| #systemic racism against Taimut. There are a few people who need to take a race awareness course before being allowed to comment to Taimut. | |||
| #verified accounts only. No anonymity. (and I'm not talking IP address, full name rank and serial number, If you can't or wont supply you get stuck at unlicensed citation work only) | |||
| #regularisation of the 'discussions' (there are discussions that are pertinent to all 'involved editors that are held in out of the way corners where 'involved editors' are not informed of the discussion. example Oboler with a hole in the wall discussion on what constitutes a massacre on , talk about 'obvious' NoCal100 and Oboler collusion). | |||
| #Oboler should be issued with a stern warning about hole in the wall discussions and the need to inform '''all''' involved editors in the correct place and manner. | |||
| #Following on from that '''all''' involved editors should be informed about '''all''' general discussions automatically and not by the '''phone a friend''' attitude prevalent at this time. | |||
| ] (]) 08:50, 16 December 2008 (UTC) | |||
| ] 35 people walking in not a convoy. Party of 35, squad of 35, group of 35 but not a convoy. or platoon of 35 since they were the second attempt made by 40 of the 'finest soldiers of the Palmach'. Or did someone want to make a misleading article by missing out that the 35 was a Palmach elite commando unit out to resupply the Palmach camp at Etzion block (who just happen to be involved in making commando raids on Palestinian villages)? | |||
| Wataniya Palestine Telecom (WPT) is owned and controlled by the PIF in partnership with National Mobile Telecommunications Company (NMTC) (NMTC is owned by; 51% owned by Qatar Telecom QSC, Qtel, and 43% owned by PIF). WPT was established in December 2006 as a partnership between NMTC and the PIF. note Wataniya Mobile has threatened to withdraw from Palestine if the 4.8MHz frequencies are not provided. | |||
| Let us see what a paper that has studied the 'politics' of the Israeli usage for propaganda purposes says:- | |||
| a ] | |||
| Wataniya hoped to launch last April, but unwittingly became a political pawn in clashes between Israel and the Palestinian Authority. Tensions piqued last week when the government, which controls the airwaves in the Palestinian territories, threatened to withhold Wataniya's spectrum indefinitely unless the PA dropped its demand for Israel Defense Forces officers to be tried at the International Criminal Court. This followed the publication of the controversial Goldstone report, which accuses both Israel and Hamas militants of war crimes during the December-January hostilities in Gaza. | |||
| John Lehr; Yossi Katz Heritage Interpretation and Politics in Kfar Etzion, Israel published in ], Volume 9, Issue 3 September 2003 , pages 215 – 228 | |||
| <blockquote> | |||
| This presentation is analysed to illustrate the ways in which an historical narrative is constructed for interpretive purposes and to show that Bloc and Israeli perspectives are conflated for political purposes. | |||
| </blockquote> this means that the title of Convoy of 35 is the Israeli perspectives are conflated for political purposes. Well what a surprise, wiki is verifiable as Israeli POV...] (]) 12:03, 16 December 2008 (UTC) | |||
| :you know, if Semiramis was a "massacre", than the platoon of 35 can be described as a convoy... and their killing, instead of a act of war, can be an genocide motivated by antisemitism. :-) | |||
| :personnaly, I am still amazed that nobody points out the 100 deaths / week for a total population of 2,000,000 between in dec 47 and jan 48 when 70,000 British soldiers were there... At the scale of Iraq today, it would give : 1500 deaths / week for a total population of 30,000,000 with 1,000,000 soldiers there... | |||
| :That was chaos and hell ! ] (]) 15:12, 16 December 2008 (UTC) | |||
| gosh how did I know there was going to be trouble over Wataniya? Another example of Israeli destruction of palestinian infrastructure and economy. The 800lbs gorilla in the room beating its chest - again. | |||
| Conflation for political purposes? There's more POV in Wiki than jam in Hartley's....] (]) 15:57, 16 December 2008 (UTC) | |||
| :I hope so ! We are there to gather *all* the POV on the topics we deal with and to give all of these their due weight (from the academic wp:rs pov to the collective memory pov) | |||
| :... :-) | |||
| :] (]) 07:30, 17 December 2008 (UTC) | |||
| As if this was not enough, the Israeli media reported that Jerusalem had delivered an “ultimatum” to the Palestinian Authority: if the request for a debate were not withdrawn, Israel would not authorize the frequency allocation for a second Palestinian cellular telephone company, “al-Wataniya”, whose partners, it was gleefully reported, include Abbas’ sons. Such a frequency allocation is worth hundreds of millions of dollars. Even in such a matter, the Palestinians are totally dependent on the Israeli occupation authorities. | |||
| It's the single POV that is the problem with undue weight. and the conflation allied with denigration...Your mate Morris is very good at that.]...] (]) 09:49, 17 December 2008 (UTC) | |||
| :Not false... There is only one ]. All others are human. Fortunately, my mate is above all... historian ;-) ] (]) 09:55, 17 December 2008 (UTC) | |||
| Oh and Elonka needs to look in the mirror before casting aspersions <blockquote> | |||
| Ashley tried to login on a different IP | |||
| </blockquote> | |||
| Isn't that WP:Uncivil? Elonka! Double standards???? All this proves is the wiki check user on British BT is rubbish. This also brings in which wrong to put right- Charlie O'Sulivan- now let me see NoCal100 has suspicions and uses the dodgy (on British BT user accounts) wiki Check user system and 2 + 2 = 5,000. I take that block in good faith but then I notice Nocal100 being WP:UNCIVIL all over the place casting aspersions and it's all based on NoCal100's suspicions about behaviour; and you now expect me not to use the same standard as Nocal100, well I will be using the same level of civility...If NoCal100 can use that level to be WP:UNCIVIL and not be brought to brook then every one else can.... That's what admin teach. I will use the same level of Civility as other users...Hold onto your hats because you ain't going to like it....57 found it annoying on Feiglin article, wait till I start doing a Canadian Monkey...how terrible planning to use the same methods as the Israelophiles but that's not WP:UNCIVIL and quite allowable according to admin it's just content dispute...] (]) 12:18, 16 December 2008 (UTC) | |||
| : Thanks for the reply. Let me try and summarize, and offer my own replies? | |||
| :* You feel that all editors doing substantial work should be required to login. | |||
| :** I understand your concerns, but I'm afraid that this isn't going to happen. The Misplaced Pages community has decided that people are allowed to edit anonymously, and I don't see that changing anytime soon. | |||
| :* You feel that all major discussions about controversial topics should be properly bannered to the editors most interested in those discussions, rather than held in limited venues. | |||
| :** Yes, this would be nice, and I agree with you, but it's difficult to implement. I too have seen cases where an article or group of articles were stable, and then a few editors had a limited discussion in some unadvertised corner of the project, they rapidly all agreed with each other and declared "Consensus!" and then swept through the project trying to change everything to their preferred version. It's ''hugely'' irritating, I agree. The best way that I've found to handle these situations, is: | |||
| :*** Identify the editors that are doing it, and tell them to cut it out. | |||
| :***Explain to them that when making major changes across multiple articles, they need to ensure that there's a broad consensus among editors for those changes. If it's a multi-article change, notices need to be placed about the discussion in certain high-visibility locations: A few article talkpages, all the relevant WikiProjects, the Village Pump, and maybe a full out RfC | |||
| :*** As for your own actions, if you see articles being changed to controversial versions, but without consensus ''on that article's talkpage'', change the article back to an earlier version, or try to find a compromise version. Do your best to start a thread at the talkpage to talk about the change. In short, no one can go to an article and just make a change, citing consensus on a ''different'' article, unless they gave the editors on the first article an opportunity to participate in the discussion. If you see anyone doing this, trying to force a consensus on someone who never had an opportunity to participate, with a reasoning of, "We've already decided, too bad," you let me or some other admin know, and we'll have a word with them. Now, an exception to this is if a discussion took place on a policy or guideline page, in which case if a guideline got changed to something you disagree with, then the way to handle it is to re-open the discussion on the guideline talkpage, and possibly file an RfC to get more opinions into the mix. But if there's an RfC and a genuinely open discussion, and the guideline is accordingly changed to something you disagree with, well, it's best to suck it up and abide by the community's decision. | |||
| :*** If no guideline exists about the changes, or if there's a guideline and it hasn't gone through any kind of discussion yet, propose a change of your own at the guideline's talkpage. If it's a big change, banner it as above, with notices at talkpages, WikiProjects, and perhaps the Village Pump. Once you can get something into the guideline, you have more authority. Note that guidelines aren't policies -- they are ''recommendations'', not rules. But they can definitely help in controversial situations. | |||
| :* Next on your list: You have concerns about {{user|Oboler}}. | |||
| :** I'll take a look at what he's doing. | |||
| :* You feel that since NoCal100 or Canadian Monkey aren't civil, you don't have to be civil either. | |||
| :** Wrong. It doesn't matter how other editors act, you still need to abide by ] | |||
| :* You have concerns about the ] article. | |||
| :** I've added them to my watchlist and will see if I can help there | |||
| :: How's that? --]]] 17:22, 16 December 2008 (UTC) | |||
| Jordanian support for the PIF. Jordanian Gov Press release 13 Feb 2006. | |||
| *That's why I called it perfect world scenario.. | |||
| *It's not difficult to implement...It's called IP collaboration, all IP related general discussions get dealt with on the IP collaboration all other discussions at obscure venues get short shrift and a policy of automatic revert to any discussion based editing on discussions held outside the IP collaboration discussion pages is instigated. | |||
| *] along with Gush Etzion is what is termed a white wash major pertinent facts have been excluded. | |||
| *Both NoCal100 and Canadian Monkey use deletion to remove material. The technique used in both cases are very similar; make a statement in the edit summary such as not pertinent while deleting and then demand that consensus should be reached before re-inclusion. Wrong, consensus should be reached for their original deletion (deletion is an edit), their technique initiates edit wars. If they wish further clarification they should 1. ask first, citation needed, hidden notes, 2. Then seek genuine consensus. | |||
| :also if they feel it should be in another section or article why don't they put it there? Their actions are WP:UNCIVIL and disruptive in pursuit of POV. | |||
| *Oboler is a "hole in the wall" artist. Oboler is initiating discussion on fundamental elements central to the IP conflict where "denigration of the enemy" and "conflation for political purposes" are the two main elements in his armoury of POV. He needs to be made aware that his behaviour of "hole in the wall" discussions are WP:UNCIVIL and disruptive leading to unnecessary edit wars. He then appears to "phone a friend" to implement his POV before the discussion is even finished (probably anticipating that no one will take part in the discussion due to it being out of the way) Example Khisas, where all the ] categories are IP conflict yet Oboler used Military history to initiate the discussion, NoCal100 implements Oboler's POV before the Discussion is finished....That is not genuine consensus. This means that Oboler is going to have to suck it up and suffer the consequences. Unfortunately for Oboler I had a month of free time to look around at what has been occurring, a month to analyse all the childish games the some editors have been indulging themselves in.... | |||
| The PIF is one of the latest wave of smaller sovereign wealth funds that appear to be allocating to hedge funds. | |||
| *As Iron Duke, NoCal100, Jaakabu, Canadian Monkey find that there is nothing incorrect or WP:UNCIVIL in their behaviour it follows that their behaviour is WP:CIVIL; this means I too can treat myself and indulge in practising their editing style as and when I wish.... ] (]) 08:37, 17 December 2008 (UTC) | |||
| ** Taking just your last point, no, just because other editors are uncivil, does not mean that you can be. In fact, if you persist in this threat that you are going to continue to disrupt the project when your block is released, administrators have the authority to just extend your block now. So please, re-think your position on this? A better way to behave, would be to acknowledge the concerns that led to the current block in the first place, and promise not to do it again. You need to provide assurances that your actions from this point forward will be in accordance with policies, and that you have no intent to further disrupt the project. --]]] 19:56, 17 December 2008 (UTC) | |||
| #Just taking your point. What threat? Do you consider adhering to the rules completely and utterly as a threat? | |||
| #Does this mean you find NoCal100's behaviour unacceptable?...] (]) 22:19, 17 December 2008 (UTC) | |||
| do you find this acceptable and none-disruptive? | |||
| Note the New York Times now refers to the West Bank as Palestine. (see google earth New York times layer. only recently as there are only 2 articles on the layer from 10 November 2009) | |||
| NoCal100 removing sourced material while making the comment “rm unsourced and seemingly out of place statements”. | |||
| Be aware of pro-Israeli propagandists using the PIF assets as a means of casting aspersions of financial irregularities at Arafat. | |||
| And then replace it with an un-sourced sentence with the comment (+Johnston plan). | |||
| :On a somewhat related subject, you might want to take a look at , concerning "positive economic inducement strategies (PEIS) as part of U.S. involvement in Israeli-Palestinian negotiations in the 1990s." Regards, ] (]) 01:04, 15 October 2009 (UTC) | |||
| :On that note you may want to take into account that US economic inducement strategies have had a negative effect on the economies it induces, due to the strings attached. The US economic strategies have destroyed the mangrove swamps that protected the South East Asian coastline as well as the rice paddies in the coastal hinterlands. ] gives a far more comprehensive account of US economic inducement strategies. MERIA is for jingoistic tub-thumpers with an attention span too short to read a book....Besides which; the 800 lbs gorilla in the room is the fragility of the economy of Palestine due to the ability of the Israeli occupation forces to arbitrarily close the West Bank. The Israeli government may have removed 25 road blocks but that still leaves 600 road blocks to go. The main one being the Alenby Bridge and access to the Jordanian market....] (]) 09:02, 15 October 2009 (UTC) | |||
| The original sentence was sourced about the Johnson plan or more formally known as the Jordan Valley Unified Water Plan | |||
| ::LOL, I am glad it was so helpful. ] (]) 15:10, 15 October 2009 (UTC) | |||
| :: The MERIA article left an awful lot unsaid, implied that the US and the West was the only donor to Palestine. Whereas the main donor is Europe followed by Arab league with the US filling a minor slot. The US is a major donor in the region only by dint of the cash to Israel (and increasingly to Egypt). The MERIA article gathered the aid to Palestine and Israel into one lump, as though the proportion to Israel was equal to the US aid to Palestine, which it definitely is not. As the first sentence of the MERIA article says US aid is to advance US interests in the region and not to advance Palestinian interests...Anything that MERIA prints needs to be taken with a large pinch of salt...] (]) 20:11, 15 October 2009 (UTC) | |||
| <blockquote> | |||
| :::Re: Your first sentence: the article stayed on its topic, apparently you know more for a larger one. Second sentence: Obviously you do; why is the US contrib. so small, the article discusses several reasons within a context, but there are others. Third: Including the commitments made at Camp David, which you note. Fourth: Again, you know more; do you have a ref for that number or percent-split? That is a valid criticism, if it is not noted. Fifth: While I could not find that sentence, I’ll take your word for it and reply in the following para. Lastly, rest assured that my editorial diet is not salt-free. | |||
| 1955 US ambassador Johnson negotiated the Jordan Valley Unified Water Plan, this has formed an important precedent. Existing utilization patterns have also serve as an important factor in determining the allocation of water in the region.<refCronin, Patrick M. (2008) ''The Evolution of Strategic Thought'' Routledge, ISBN 0415459613 p 189/ref> | |||
| </blockquote>...] (]) 22:39, 17 December 2008 (UTC) | |||
| http://www.haaretz.com/news/international/palestinian-authority-faces-cash-crunch-as-arab-states-cut-aid-1.309025 Arab League aid at 22% | |||
| Do you find editing by mass deletion before reaching consensus as acceptable behaviour and none disruptive?...] (]) 22:36, 17 December 2008 (UTC) | |||
| : I have again removed NoCal100's name from the section header, please don't add it back. As for the two diffs that you provided, I agree that the first one might be questionable. However, it's also worth pointing out that this was a few days ago, and no one aside from you has disagreed with the change, nor is there any challenge on the talkpage. Now, when your block is up, what you could do is to re-add the sourced information, and accompany this with a polite note at the talkpage as to why you are restoring the information. --]]] 23:17, 17 December 2008 (UTC) | |||
| :::As with any country, US foreign aid is to advance US interests in the region. The problem is in defining what those ] really are, balancing competing ones, and balancing what/who defines them; it exists as an imperfect balance between true national interests, a generally uninformed electorate and an inordinate domestic political influence, as the article notes, and all at tax-payer expense. US policy should never be to advance either Palestinian or Israeli interests, mutual ones, yes. Currently defined issues include Palestinian rights and Israeli security; the road ahead is clear, yet the commitment to get there seems insufficient, given the militant maximalists on both sides and one's influence here. It will take tightening the purse-strings or a couple more elections in various places. Concerning the recent US election, I will note with some metaphorical glee, that our foreign policy head seems to have been pulled from some alternate-world asshole, and has started breathing again. Regards, ] (]) 08:52, 16 October 2009 (UTC) | |||
| A blatant obvious lie against you own rules and you call it questionable? | |||
| As the majority of the aid to Palestinians is EU and Arab League, US aid is not likely to advance US interests very much. And as Israel ignores US requirements, even though Israel is the major recipient of US aid; it looks like the US taxpayer is getting a bad deal...As to should advance mutual interests, the US economists appear to have been of the opinion that 'he who pays the piper calls the tune' and no acknowledgement to the mutual side...] (]) 14:17, 16 October 2009 (UTC) | |||
| Do you consider taking unreference bags of rats tails; ], ] and ] as disruptive? Do you consider adding however many hundreds of Palestinian towns and villages as disruptive? Do you consider adding geo coordinates to many articles as disruptive? Do you consider adhering strictly to NPOV as disruptive? Do you consider adding references from RS sources as disruptive? You have very funny criteria for describing what is disruptive.... | |||
| ==additional info on Burayka== | |||
| I shall be very polite and I shall be very truthful and I will use all the complaints procedures possible...] (]) 23:21, 17 December 2008 (UTC) | |||
| 32° 33' 29.05’’ N 34° 58' 39.40’’ E | |||
| ] also variously spelt Bureika (for alternative spelling see note 613 on page 297 to page 243 in Morris' book, Morris uses Bureika in the main text and Burayka in the notes) destroyed by the British Army in 1938 still derelict in May 1940. Ref Dov Gavish (2005) A survey of Palestine under the British Mandate, 1920-1948 Volume 3 of Routledge Curzon studies in Middle Eastern history Publisher Routledge, {{ISBN|0714656518}} p 186 (hence the school closing during the British mandate period?) | |||
| As to your timing you may notice that a lie remains a lie even well told some time ago. It's called records and records can be checked, you were also informed that User NoCal100 lied at the time. What action did you take?...] (]) | |||
| (quote)(27). Khubbeiza (Haifa area. Arab sources refer to a massacre. Israeli sources make no mention of a massacre, but acknowledge that Kubbeiza was one of the four villages attacked by the IZL. In the same operation which attacked Khubbeiza, Sabbarin, Umm Shouf and Bureika massacres did occur in two of these four. | |||
| ==NoCal100== | |||
| Abu Sitta , The Palestinian Holocaust (Al nakba) 1948, The register of Depopulated Localities in Palestine, Preliminary draft. 1997, 10, is the Arab source. Morris, see note 5, map, identifies 12-14 May as date of IZL occupation. On 243-244, Morris reports: “IZL forces...on 12 May attacked and cleared the last Arab villages in the Hills of Menashe...The dissidents attacked Sabbarin, al Sindiyana, Bureika, Khubbeiza and Umm al Shauf.” The Hagana often tried to distance itself from the IZL and Lehi by describing them as “dissidents,” though the British High Commissioner for Palestine, Sir Alan Cunningham, discounts this claim. | |||
| ::There is nothing "questionable" about . The statement that the Johnston Plan 'has formed an important precedent. ' is unsourced - it is nowhere to be found in the given reference. The second statement - "Existing utilization patterns have also serve as an important factor in determining the allocation of water in the region." is not only unsourced, as it, too, does not appear in the given reference, but is also a generic claim about water rights which is true for every dispute over water rights, and as such, has no particular relevance to an article about the Hasbani. In any case, the proper way to deal with such content disputes is to discuss them on the Talk page of the relevant article, not to bring them up on AN/I under the heading of 'bad faith edits'. ] (]) 05:48, 18 December 2008 (UTC) | |||
| Editors Eyal Benvenisti, Chaim Gans, Sārī Ḥanafī (2007) Israel and the Palestinian refugees, Publisher Springer, {{ISBN|3540681604}} Saleh Abdel Jawad, Zionist Massacres: The Creation of the Palestinian refugee problem p 109.(unquote) | |||
| There is everything questionable about your edit. Are you aware of the term plagiarism? Those ideas are from the source and are not copies of phrases from the source as per rules on plagiarising. See ] and familiarise yourself with ]. Your behaviour is ] please desist. If you have a content dispute please use the talk page at the relevant article, and wait for a reply, before making further questionable edits. | |||
| Benny Morris p. xvi village number 161 cause of depopulation; fall of nearby town (C) (however in main text of Morris' book he reports attacks by IZL clearing the villagers) | |||
| The Hasbani is part of a wider dispute over water and the article up to the point I inserted reference work did not make that fact clear, at all. The article was therefore both misleading and inaccurate..The best place to deal with questionable edits is ]....] (]) 09:45, 18 December 2008 (UTC) | |||
| p. 130 The inhabitants of Bureika, south east of Zikhron Ya’akov, were apparently ordered at the beginning of March by the AHC to evacuate so that the the village might serve as a base for attack by irregulars on the Hiafa-tel Aviv road. But most or all of the villagers appeared to have stayed put. | |||
| :The place to deal with content disputes, which is what you are describing here, is the article's Talk page, not ANI. ] (]) 15:03, 18 December 2008 (UTC) | |||
| And from page 97 opposed the garrisoning of ALA forces. | |||
| The new policy of anti-none-plagiarising is far more important than just ]...Also as you NoCal100 claim that the talk page is the place to discuss content dispute; Why didn't you use it? Were you NoCal100 being purposefully disruptive by not using the talk page? Shouldn't you talk on the talkpage first before making your controversial edits? Shouldn't you seek consensus with your controversial edits before making the edits?...] (]) 20:26, 18 December 2008 (UTC) | |||
| An epilogue to the battle was provided by the IZL, whose units from Zikhron Ya’akov, Hadera, Binyamin and Netanya on the 12 may attacked and cleared the last Arab villages in the Hills of Menashe, overlooking Mishmar Ha’emek from the West. The Dissidents attacked Sabbarin, al Sindiyana, Bureika, Khubbeiza and Umm al Shauf. Many villagers had fled during the previous weeks. Sabbbarin had been ordered by Umm al Fahm’s leaders to stay put. But most of the remaining villagers fled as the Jewish forces approached and laid down mortar fire. pp 243-244 | |||
| The second statement - "Existing utilization patterns also serve as an important factor in determining the allocation of water in the region." You say is generic. What happens when it is put through google:- | |||
| # Morris, Benny, (second edition 2004 third printing 2006) The Birth Of The Palestinian Refugee Problem Revisited, Cambridge University Press, {{ISBN|0-521-00967-7}} | |||
| First hit is JSTOR list of accademic aricles. | |||
| second hit wiki | |||
| This is the third hit, just after wiki:- | |||
| either Morris didn't read what he wrote or Morris is utterly disingenuous. | |||
| Shared Water Resources in the Jordan River Basin By Karen Hudes. | |||
| == Rashad Shawa Cultural Center == | |||
| <blockquote> | |||
| “In the Jordan-Israel Peace Treaty and the Interim Agreement, the allocations agreed in technical discussions among the riparians during negotiation of the Johnston Plan over forty years ago have served as important precedent.” | |||
| </blockquote> | |||
| The Rashad Shawa Cultural Center, located in Rimal is a two-storey building with a triangular footprint designed by Sa'ad Mohaffel competed in 1988 and named after its founder, Palestinian Nationalist and former mayor ]. The cultural center performs five main functions; a meeting place for large gatherings during annual festivals, a place to stage exhibitions, a conference centre, a playhouse and as a library. | |||
| ...This appears as though you diverge from academic thought and wiki guidelines on this subject?...Next time you find none-plagiarised material do not delete it, wiki is supposed to be full of none-plagiarised material. It is when you find plagiarised material that you are to take action, please next time try to get it the correct way round...] (]) 10:36, 18 December 2008 (UTC) | |||
| :The material you inserted into the article was unsourced, so I removed it, explaining it is unsourced, The proper response is to take it to the Talk page, asking for clarifications, and then, possibly finding a source for the argument in question - which is what you have finally done, now. ] (]) 15:03, 18 December 2008 (UTC) | |||
| The large stained-glass windows incorporated in the culture centre were executed by the Gazan artist Leila (Rashad) Shawa, daughter of Rashad Shawa. | |||
| So why didn't NoCal100 take it to the talkpage; is it because NoCal100 is an intentionally disruptive editor? I it took less than a second to find a similar phrase in a pertinent publication by googling. Third hit after wiki, maybe NoCal100 has problems with his/her ability to google? Or maybe NoCal100 is just a bad faith editor?...] (]) 20:34, 18 December 2008 (UTC) | |||
| Gaza’s culture of resistance was evidenced with the first screening of Gaza’s home grown film industry offering of “Imad Aqil” in August 2009 | |||
| :: NoCal100, the concern is in this diff here, where you said, "rm unsourced", but the information ''did'' appear to be sourced, and in fact, you deleted the source along with the information. Can you please explain? --]]] 15:22, 18 December 2008 (UTC) | |||
| :::Please read above, at the top of this section (where Ashely has moved it from its original location, where it was posted as a response to your previous comment): The statement that the Johnston Plan 'has formed an important precedent. ' is unsourced - it is nowhere to be found in the given reference. The second statement - "Existing utilization patterns have also serve as an important factor in determining the allocation of water in the region." is not only unsourced, as it, too, does not appear in the given reference, but is also a generic claim about water rights which is true for every dispute over water rights, and as such, has no particular relevance to an article about the Hasbani. ] (]) 15:59, 18 December 2008 (UTC) | |||
| :::: I'm afraid I don't have access to the book itself. Could someone please quote what the book ''Evolution of Strategic Thought'' does say on the subject, on page 189? --]]] 16:38, 18 December 2008 (UTC) | |||
| ::I'm not going back up to Manchester to look for it not in this Christmas crush besides the Uni-library is closed now. NoCal100 says he has access. And the source does not have the phrases; as the phrases are not plagiarised. Maybe NoCal100 would like to lend you his/her copy? | |||
| I moved NoCal100's accusation of none-plagiarism to a separate section; as I found the accusation of none-plagiarism raised some serious questions. How far will editors be forced to take new anti-none-plagiarism policy, are the same words to be used but in a different order? Must the order and syntax be kept? What will the new policy be called? I vote for ]; as NoCal100 is the clever editor that is pushing for the use of 'anti-none-Plagiarising'. Will Nocal100 be writing the new ']' to this revolutionary 'new policy'. | |||
| The centre has run a satirical play called al-Watan (The Nation)., which puts the kibosh on those that believe that Hamas run the place with an iron fist. | |||
| I do find the Nocal100's charge that I do not plagiarise a very nice compliment though. I wonder how many other editors will be accused of 'not plagiarising'? Will NoCal100 be carrying out a article patrol to remove all other none-plagiarised material?. Will removal of all none plagiarised material be considered disruptive to the project?. What effect will this have on the wiki copyright? Will all editors be forced to comply with the new NoCal100 policy of anti-none-Plagiarism, what material will be allowed to be included in wiki? NoCal100's actions do tend to be opening up a large can of worms...Should we have an ] on this new policy where only Plagiarised material may be used? It will make it so much easier to copy paste and save time on reading..] (]) 20:13, 18 December 2008 (UTC) | |||
| ==al-Ramadien== | |||
| ::I have been following this discussion. Here is the link: http://books.google.com/books?id=HkhxRX1tP24C&dq=Evolution+of+Strategic+Thought&printsec=frontcover&source=bl&ots=Bl1NYqrlI4&sig=sYIbhGeAGgGRYFRw7NIRP1Ty3AU&hl=en&sa=X&oi=book_result&resnum=3&ct=result#PPA189,M1 ] (]) 03:12, 19 December 2008 (UTC) | |||
| :::Sorry my bad.. ] (]) 03:12, 19 December 2008 (UTC) | |||
| Hebron Govenorate, more correctly should be Ar Ramadin 31° 22' 33.30’’ N 34° 54' 20.55’’ E (present coords are for the original village depopulated in 1948). | |||
| Page 189 not included Tundra. And please sign next time...] (]) 21:02, 18 December 2008 (UTC) | |||
| :::Ashley, 189 was included for me. Perhaps you have reached your limit of page-views? ] (]) 03:12, 19 December 2008 (UTC) | |||
| ==]. == | |||
| All rather mute now as NoCal100 rather condescendingly says:- | |||
| Although his eight siblings are trying to engage him in play, Youssef is hanging onto his mother. This two-year-old was born and has, so far, lived in a prison cell with mother Fatma "Al-Zaq", a Palestinian woman who was detained in Hasharon Prison in central Israel until released on Friday as part of the "videotape deal" between Hamas and Israel. | |||
| Youssef, the first Palestinian child to be born and raised behind Israeli prison bars, is still uncomfortable in his new environment. | |||
| :The material you inserted into the article was unsourced, so I removed it, explaining it is unsourced, The proper response is to take it to the Talk page, asking for clarifications, and then, possibly finding a source for the argument in question - which is what you have finally done, now. ] (]) 15:03, 18 December 2008 (UTC) | |||
| As it took point 34 (0.34) seconds to google an alternative RS source one does wonder how Nocal100 managed to delete without googling an alternative. What would happen to articles such as ], ] or ] with NoCal100's attitude? Would there just be big empty pages in the wiki project as they were all unsourced?...Maybe wiki needs to find editors that will go more than 0.34 seconds out of there way? ...Maybe wiki needs to find editors who will take the occasional visit to a library? Maybe wiki needs to find editors who will use books...Maybe wiki needs to find editors who will use their own words and not Plagiarise?...] (]) 21:53, 18 December 2008 (UTC) | |||
| ==Naom Tibon== | |||
| Come on tundra who put most of those 70 odd references in ] . You've been tarting around with the Nahum Goldmann article tundra, what was the state before and after? Why didn't I go the NoCal100 route and just delete, why did I spend days finding references, why did I spend more time than 0.34 of a second looking, why didn't I just delete, after all deleting is so much easier? maybe I too will adopt the lazy editor method of claiming "unsourced, content dispute", as that does seem to be the way forward and does not get you blocked; where as trying to find references and using your own words does get you blocked....Lets all us editors adopt the NoCal100 anti-none-plagiarising policy...] (]) 22:07, 18 December 2008 (UTC) | |||
| Outgoing Division Commander Tibon said that “from the moment I received the position in July of 2007 I was aware of my full responsibility, as Commander of Judea and Samaria, for the security of the State of Israel. Together with my comrades in the security forces, we brought terror to its lowest level in the past decade, with thousands of brave and dangerous actions carried out by thousands of soldiers and commanders. I am a great believer in the idea that terror is eliminated not just through force but also through creating hope and normalcy in the Palestinians' lives for a better future of dialogue.” | |||
| had I quoted without giving due credit then your remarks would be pertinent. However NoCal100 has accused me of using my own words. Nocal100's complaint is that I have none-plagiarised. | |||
| How over 600 road blocks can be considered as normal, I cannot comprehend. How the events in Hebron can be considered as normal, I cannot comprehend. How an ongoing military occupation can be considered as normal is something that I personally have a problem comprehending. Obviously Tibon has a somewhat skewed notion of what is normal. | |||
| NoCal100 is aghast that I've used a summary and not the actual words in the piece... therefore Nocal100 is against none-plagiarising as I didn't quote.... I am not accusing NoCal100 of plagiarising I am however saying that Nocal100 should not assume that everyone will copy paste direct from a book...His complaint that I did not plagiarise is, somewhat, a strange accusation...And filling an encyclopaedia with quotes is actively discouraged...Maybe you need to look around the articles a bit more to see the complaints expressed by some editors about un-encyclopaedic masses of quotes...I haven't quoted I have para-phrased, made a synopsis, used my own words. That is called none-plagiarism, NoCal100 has complained that I have none-Plagiarised...I you wish to defend the principle of anti-none-plagiarising; please do carry on...] (]) | |||
| ==Bayt Jibrin and James Leslie Starkey== | |||
| (]) British archaeologist ] is best known for his work at ] (Tel ed-Duweir), where he excavated under the auspices of the ] Wellcome-Marston Archaeological Research Expedition to the Near East; supported and financed by largely funded by Sir Henry Wellcome, founder of the ], and initially by H. Dunscombe Colt and carried out from 1932 to 1938 (1938 season was carried out by Tufnell). Starkey's murder occurred on his way to the inauguration of the ] (Rockefeller museum, the opening of which was postponed to the 13 January due to his death.). Starkey was a student of ] and an associate of ]. One of the important discoveries at Lachish made by Starkey and Tufnell were the ] (18 in 1935 and 3 more in 1938). Lachish Letters, letters sent by an officer, Hoshaiah, to the governor of Lachish describing the impending fall of the kingdom of Judah to the Babylonian forces of Nebuchadnezzar. | |||
| PS please point out somewhere that I have accused someone of plagiarism...please read all the above to refresh your memory....Please try to be ] before making unfounded accusations...] (]) 22:53, 18 December 2008 (UTC) | |||
| Two Palestinian Arab members of the band who had murdered Starkey were hanged in Jerusalem on 23 January, 1938. | |||
| PPS please strike out your unfounded remarks after reading the postings...] (]) 23:08, 18 December 2008 (UTC) | |||
| : I am having a great deal of trouble understanding you. You're claiming NoCal100 accused you of "none-plagiarism"? Where? --]]] 23:11, 18 December 2008 (UTC) | |||
| Strike your unfounded accusations...] (]) 23:14, 18 December 2008 (UTC) | |||
| Avraham Negev, Shimon Gibson (2005) Archaeological encyclopedia of the Holy Land Publisher Continuum International Publishing Group, {{ISBN|0826485715}}, p 48 ... | |||
| an apology would be ] Elonka...] (]) 23:44, 18 December 2008 (UTC) | |||
| : Ashley, your block is going to expire in 24 hours. Based on what I've been seeing of your behavior here on your talkpage, I am concerned that your account access may just be re-blocked again very rapidly. If you do not wish this to happen, I recommend that: | |||
| Margaret S. Drower (1995) Flinders Petrie: a life in archaeology Publisher University of Wisconsin Press, {{ISBN|0299146243}} p 415 | |||
| Your concerns should be first and foremost for content of wiki; your lack of concerns for wiki content is noted. | |||
| :# <s>You try to wipe the slate clean of any previous perceptions of injustice</s> It's about POV content (PS It was you that brought up the subject of "injustice", please stop with the innuendo and false assertions that sort of behaviour is ]) | |||
| :# <s>You keep all future communications very civil</s> Civil is as civil does, unless you're expecting a higher standard than your own incivility from everyone one else. | |||
| :# <s>You keep all future communications very focused on articles, and not on other editors</s> I'm very focused on article content. This is why Israelophile POV being put in place of accurate and reliable content is a concern. | |||
| Eric M. Meyers, American Schools of Oriental Research (1996) The Oxford encyclopedia of archaeology in the Near East, Volume 5 Publisher Oxford University Press, {{ISBN|0195065123}} p 77 | |||
| : I hope you take this advice onboard, --]]] 00:28, 19 December 2008 (UTC) | |||
| Alfred Rupert Hall and B. A. Bembridge (1986) Physic and philanthropy: a history of the Wellcome Trust, 1936-1986 | |||
| :# "You ensure that any future additions to articles are kept very carefully sourced". There are very few editors who do source their work carefully; I am one of them; NoCal100 does not. You may now go tell NoCal100 to source his work as I will be along to mark it later. | |||
| Publisher CUP Archive, {{ISBN|0521326397}} p 14 | |||
| #Please get your facts correct before casting aspersions. I have noticed a tendency in your postings for you to claim an inability to understand, may I humbly suggest that this is the reason for your inability to get facts correct. | |||
| ] (]) 03:26, 17 October 2009 (UTC) | |||
| #On your talk page you have blamed everything and me for your own error; when you blanked out half the UK. You have harassed and harangued me on my own page and now write about being civil...may I humbly suggest that you go away and think about your own actions. The well known phrase about an eye and a beam comes readily to mind. | |||
| == Atlit == | |||
| You are hereby banned from my user page and Talk page.....] (]) 09:02, 19 December 2008 (UTC) | |||
| Missing from ] | |||
| Canaanite name was Qarta or Certha. | |||
| == Re: Arab-Israelis == | |||
| Later it was a Phoenician port constructed late-ninth or early-eighth century BCE (Radiocarbon analysis carried out by E. Boaretto on three samples of Lebanese cedar wedges that had been used to level the stone courses, ashlars, and straighten the stones) | |||
| I meant that 'Arab citizen of Israel' was not an adjective. It's a grammar issue, please don't make it into a POV issue. I retained one instance of 'Arab-Israeli' to make it clear that they aren't Saudis or Japanese Arabs (although I don't see how this can be unclear from the context anyway). -- ] <sup>(])</sup> 13:56, 20 December 2008 (UTC) | |||
| :In other words, you see nothing wrong with ''? -- ] <sup>(])</sup> 14:04, 20 December 2008 (UTC) | |||
| :P.S. My was to ''''Arab-Israeli''' schools have been underfunded, and by 2000 there was only one Arab elementary school', which does say Israeli-Arabs very clearly, so I don't understand what you're talking about. -- ] <sup>(])</sup> 14:07, 20 December 2008 (UTC) | |||
| The Phoenician Harbour of Atlit | |||
| == Elonka Banned == | |||
| Despite the size and the sandy shores of the southern bay, the builders selected the northern bay to serve as the city's main harbour. This side is well protected from the dominant west and southwest winds by the promontory on its southwest and the two islets on its west that belong to the coastal sandstone ridge. The natural location of the bay exposed it only to the northern and eastern winds. (We may assume that the southern bay was used as an anchorage for small seacraft when the weather permitted it.) The gap between the promontory and the estuary of Nahal Oren, which runs into the northern bay of Atlit, provides a maximum wave force of only a few hundred meters, hence there are no risks of storm waves from that side. This is the reason for the choice of this position as the main entrance to the harbour. The harbour was divided into two symmetrical sectors, each consisting of a mole (protruding jetty) running perpendicular to a quay (Raban 1997a: 16), which together created a closed rectangular area of low water energy. An opening between the ends of the two moles served as the harbour entrance. The northern mole protected the harbour basin from the northern swell. Anchored to one of the sandstone islets, it was accessible only by sea. At a depth of one and a half to six meters below sea level, it would have allowed anchorage of bigger seacraft. The eastern side of the harbour is better sheltered. The southeastern quay abuts the coast at the foot of the ancient tell, slightly east of the crusader moat. This area may have served as the town's mercantile port. Johns exposed an older structure beneath crusader layers on the shoreline, north of the tell. The structure consisted of a stone-paved surface and two flanking towers. He named it the "Northern Gate" (Johns 1934:fig.4)- | |||
| Hellenic Adarus Michael Avi-Yonah, Ephraim Stern (1978) Encyclopedia of archaeological excavations in the Holy Land Publisher Prentice-Hall, {{ISBN|0132751151}} p 130 | |||
| Elonka has been informed that due to her Incivility that she is banned from this talk page and user page. The ban is for as long as I care to make it...] (]) 18:38, 20 December 2008 (UTC) | |||
| Walid Khalidi (1992) All that remains: the Palestinian villages occupied and depopulated by Israel in 1948 Publisher Institute for Palestine Studies, {{ISBN|0887282245}}, p 147 | |||
| Bucolonpolis (strabo XVI 2 , 27)C. N. Johns, Denys Pringle (1997) Pilgrims' castle ('Atlit), David's Tower (Jerusalem), and Qal'atar-Rabad ('Ajlun): three Middle Eastern castles from the time of the crusades Publisher Variorum, {{ISBN|0860786277}} p 51 | |||
| ==I'll do my best== | |||
| To try and get the street map and the pictures. I'm hoping that we will be able to enter Bethlehem because it's Christmas. Generally, we Palestinians inside Israel are not allowed to enter Area A in the West Bank. On holidays, they make exceptions, which is why we could go to Nablus during the Eid a couple of weeks ago (my first time there, by the way, and it's beautiful). Since my family is mostly Christian, we generally have no problem getting into Bethlehem for Christmastime, though the few Muslims among us can sometimes encounter problems (we have Muslims in the family by way of marriage - yes, there is still intermarriage between Palestinian of different religious persuasions). Anyway, I'll do my best, like I said. I hope I have good stuff to pass on to you, Huldra and Al Ameer son when I get back. Happy holidays to you too.]<sup>]</sup> 17:16, 21 December 2008 (UTC) | |||
| First Crusades Castle (knights Templar) called ] (corruption of District or Destroit) at Khirbet Qarta inland built in 1118 (Demolished during the siege of 1220). New Castle built on the promontory called variously ] and Castrum Peregrinorum (castle of the pilgrims) in 1218-1220 AD. Claude R. Conder (1878) Tent Work in Palestine: A Record of Discovery and Adventure; Reprinted (2002) Publisher Adamant Media Corporation, {{ISBN|1402189877}} p 199 | |||
| The Atlit fortress was used by the Templars to dominate a large area of Galilee until Baybars repaired the Fortress of Qaqun as his "subjects in that place needed a place of protection." The Templars dominance declined until the Templars finally quit and left for Rhodes in 1291. Kristian Molin (2001) Unknown crusader castles Publisher Continuum International Publishing Group, {{ISBN|1852852615}} p 70. Atlit Fortress was repaired and held by the Mamlukes after the crusaders left for Rhodes. | |||
| Atlit was one of the harbours where pilgrims landed in the 13th century and was mistakenly referred to as the site of ancient Tyre. Claude R. Conder (1878) p 200 | |||
| == ANI NoCal100 == | |||
| 1296 a Tatar tribe, the 'Uwayrat were settle in the area | |||
| obvious blatant lies on ] | |||
| 2 editors clearly state that the reasoning is for not wanting to get involved directly is fair words but obscene actions of Israelophile POV editor and not through consensus.<blockquote> | |||
| Excuse me for saying so: but what a load of rubbish. "Consensus" on Banias (-Ashley) exist because the rest of us are sick to the bone of tag-teaming pro-Israeli teams showing up at certain articles...so we stay away. Yes, I admit: I "chicken out" of articles when NoCal100 et.al. shows up. And I am not alone. That is how "consensus" is achieved. Elonka: I had a higher opinion about you than this. Regards, Huldra (talk) 18:45, 20 December 2008 (UTC) | |||
| </blockquote> ] (]) 01:13, 22 December 2008 (UTC) | |||
| During the Ottoman era, Atlit provided a source of good building materials and the governors of Haifa, Acre and Beirut used the hewn stone of Atlit in building their respective cities. Carl Ritter Translated by William Leonard Gage (1866) The comparative geography of Palestine and the Sinaitic Peninsula, Volume 4 Publisher D. Appleton and co. , p 285 | |||
| In spring of 1799 the port served as one of the French navy ports during Napoleon's failed expedition to conquer Acre. | |||
| Why a POV banner should be place on ] article. Obvious POV on Banias Removal of source connecting Syrian reaction to Israeli actions. | |||
| Survey of Western Palestine described a hamlet of adobe bricks with about 200 Arab inhabitants. | |||
| In 1903 Baron Edmond de Rothschild sought a firman on a tract of land in the area of Atlit, to drain the swamps within a fixed period, from the Ottoman Governor of the Beirut District, the firman was never confirmed, as required by Ottoman Imperial edict, from Istanbul and was therefore never officially granted. | |||
| In July 1920 Rothschild approached the British Administration to procure a concession similar to the Firman he had sought from the Ottoman Governor of Beirut. The Land Commission recommended granting the PICA’s request in the form of a long-term lease, including the provision for establishing a Jewish settlement. On 8 November, 1921, Abramson and PICA representatives finalized the agreement. It granted the PICA a one-hundred-year renewable lease to approximately 40-50,000 dunams, along with rights to "improve and develop" the marshland and sand dunes included therein. ref: Lease Agreement of 8 November 1921, Israel State Archive (2) L/24/34 (1921); Gregory Blue, Martin P. Bunton and Ralph C. Croizier (2002) Colonialism and the modern world: selected studies Publisher M.E. Sharpe, {{ISBN|0765607727}} p 155 note 35, at 149 n.15. As the area was not yet surveyed, it was impossible to know the exact area of land included in the agreement. | |||
| == Merge discussion notice == | |||
| The lawyer Wadi Bourstany was then retained by the 850 indigenous inhabitants (Palestinian Bedouin of Zor al Zerka and Barrat Caesarea) to retain their land use rights, that had existed under the Ottomans and were documented in the Ottoman records. p 149 | |||
| "I am surprised that the editor who posted the proposal has been so ] as not to have notified you" is not a helpful addition to the notice, Ashley. -- ] (]) 23:35, 22 December 2008 (UTC) | |||
| :Well, that is what watchlists are for. If people are suitably interested in an article, changes to the article pop up on the watchlist (like I saw your edits to ] as I have her page watchlisted). In wikipedia, it is pretty safe to assume that a change made to an article will be picked up by those interested, and it is not a form of incivility, nor a lack of common courtesy, to make the change to the page and not inform individual editors. There are often so many editors that starting to inform individual people gets the editor in danger of ] issues. It is an extra courtesy to drop a note on the talk pages of the appropriate wikiprojects, and perhaps the talk pages of individuals who have been VERY involved in the extremelt recent past, but it is not a problem not to do so, in general. Further, due to watchlists, there is no need for you to act as a postman, as anyone involved will likely pick up the change. | |||
| A Jewish settlement was established, the first Jewish inhabitants consisted of five families from Zichron Ya'acov. Atlit was not a prosperous Jewish settlement initially. It took another three years for six more families to join the initial five, by 1922 the Jewish settlement still only had 12 houses. A salt factory was established by a new immigrant from Russia in 1922. | |||
| :Another point, if I may, Ashley. Ask yourself if you would be so vehement had Tiamut suggested the merge. The Palestinian-Israeli area of wikipedia is one of the most emotionally charged ones that there is, and so we editors must take extra pains to try and act civilly, even if inside, we are emotionally charged up. It is human to be frustrated, upset, insulted, etc. But allowing those emotions to bleed into our editing only serves to further exacerbate the problems here in wikipedia. I know the feeling, I edit those areas too, but if there is any hope of coming to reasonable compromises, we have to put our emotions aside and work together as best possible to build good articles. -- ] (]) 01:49, 23 December 2008 (UTC) | |||
| In July 1924 the engineering works to drain the marshes and stabilise the sand dunes was initiated. Shortly afterwards the Bedouin of Zor al Zerka accepted compensation in relationship to the easement on land rights. | |||
| ::Please realize that while you may find it insufficient, many others do, and giving others the benefit of the doubt goes a long way in preventing unnecessary frustrations among all sides. -- ] (]) 13:37, 23 December 2008 (UTC) | |||
| In 1928 court proceedings were initiated by the indigenous inhabitants (Palestinian Bedouin of Barrat Caesarea) to assert their rights of land use after protracted negotiations failed to produce a settlement. | |||
| == Khalidi == | |||
| As I am very involved in the current consensus-finding process, even though janitorial editing is permitted, it is better if I am not the one who does it. However, after weeks and weeks of discussions, we are very close to a compromise, so I'm hoping that the article will be unlocked in the next week or so, so I can look at the tags at that point. On contentious articles, extra patience is called for, Ashley. -- ] (]) 13:36, 23 December 2008 (UTC) | |||
| :Even if that were true, on contentious articles extra citations are always helpful. Ashley, I would once again counsel both patience and courtesy when dealing with these kinds of articles. A tone of righteous indignation, no matter how justified, will more often serve to distance those with whom you need to build a rapport—those whose opinions are fundamentally different than yours. -- ] (]) 15:39, 23 December 2008 (UTC) | |||
| ==Ma'ale Akrabim== | |||
| 7 October 1948 The Haifa District HQ issued orders to the 123 Battalion to halt all demolition activities at Atlit. Morris (2006) p 354. | |||
| Issues have not been addressed.] (]) 23:03, 25 December 2008 (UTC) | |||
| ===Missing from ]=== | |||
| == Pool of Bethesda == | |||
| Out of the approx 50 year history of ] 40 years of that history are apparently missing. | |||
| In 1935 there were 250 members of the Nazi Party in Palestine, and in January 1938 the number had grown to 330 (17 percent of German nationals in Palestine). But the outbreak of World War II was the beginning of the end of Templer settlement in Palestine. The British government declared them enemy nationals, and they were placed under arrest in the colonies of Waldheim and Sharona, or were sent to the detention camp in Atlit. In the summer of 1941, 665 detainees were expelled to Australia, with 1,052 remaining in the detention camps in Palestine. | |||
| The coords you have added are those for ]. The ] is located north of the Via Dolorosa. Regards, ] (]) 02:05, 26 December 2008 (UTC) | |||
| Published Ha'aretz 20 January 2008 | |||
| == Khadra Mosque DYK nom == | |||
| "Black Sabbath" On June 29, 1946, 2,718 persons, 59 of whom were women, were placed in administrative detention in a nation wide British operation aimed at uncovering secret ammunition supplies. The detainees were taken to Atlit and then transferred, due to lack of space, to a makeshift detention camp in Rafah in the southern Gaza Strip. Among the prisoners were many leaders of the Jewish population in Palestine, including Rabbi Y.L. Fishman, Acting Chairman of the Board of the Jewish Agency, David Remez, Chairman of the National Committee, and Bernard Joseph and Yitzhak Greenbaum, members of the Board of the Jewish Agency | |||
| Hey! Are you interested in co-nominating ] for a DYK feature on the Main Page along with me and Fipplet? It fits the size criteria and is fully-referenced - thanks to you ;). --] (]) 06:59, 26 December 2008 (UTC) | |||
| :You helped expand and reference the article, so of course you will get credit. However, I was just looking at the article and was wondering if you could add the coordinates to the "geo" section in the infobox. I'll put my views on the Mergers topic at the talk page by the way. --] (]) 18:56, 26 December 2008 (UTC) | |||
| ::Nonsense. You're getting credit whether you want it or not! --] (]) 19:21, 26 December 2008 (UTC) | |||
| :::There's no actual size limit (it can't be stub is all). However, in terms of broadness, the article lacks an architecture section, but luckily in the Pringle book on pages 111-112 there is a decent architectural description. Right now I'm concentrating on the ] (wanna absorb all the info on it that I can) and will soon nominate that article for GA review. If you have the will and the time you could add the architecture section on al-Khadra Mosque, and I'll make copyedits or touch-ups if necessary. Cheers! --] (]) 20:05, 28 December 2008 (UTC) | |||
| In 1948 Atlit detainee camp operated as a POW camp and civil internment camp. Some of the interned Palestinians were held for as long a seven years. The normal offer was release and be driven over the Jordanian border or remain incarcerated. (see Ayn Hawd, Abu Hayja remained incarcerated until released with right of residency in Israel where he became a DP within Israel but was able to rejoin his family and started building ]) | |||
| == ] == | |||
| Morris, Benny, (second edition 2004 third printing 2006) The Birth Of The Palestinian Refugee Problem Revisited, Cambridge University Press, {{ISBN|0-521-00967-7}} p 467 | |||
| I admire your ability to stir up battles long forgotten. Now it looks like we might have an edit war over quotation marks! | |||
| To Mr. Dov Ben Alter Ha'adom, Abu Yusuf hello, I have received your letter today through a man from 'Ein Ghaza¯l regarding the engineer Etkes. Salomon, the lawyer from Haifa, also applied in this matter. Also, Mr. Hayyat of Haifa came and met the elders of Jaba' and promised to release five of the people the Jews captured in 'Atlit. Perhaps by tomorrow the exchange will be over and engineer Etkes will be released. He is in my home, healthy and well and honored as usual with the Arabs. | |||
| Anyway, if you were to nominate this article for deletion, I would support you. The book is cheap propaganda, of no importance: it was self-published, it was never reviewed by any Israeli newspaper (it was reported on an inside page in Haaretz, but no review), and it in fact stirred no controversy whatsoever. What Milstein presents as new facts are simply a rehash of claims that have been floating around for years. The only real reason this article was included in the Misplaced Pages was, in my opinion, to get the words "Deir Yassin" and "Blood libel" into the title of an article (Note, too, that the blood libel is not a libel of Palestinian supporters against the Israelis, but of leftwing Israelis against rightwing ones). It was written by an editor whose editing practices were so inflammatory and disruptive that within a month she was permanently blocked. --] (]) 06:56, 27 December 2008 (UTC) | |||
| IDFA 4663/ 1949 file 46. The letter is dated 6 of July. The army document that quotes it is dated 10th of July. | |||
| <br/> | |||
| Atlit camp was closed for a short period only to reopen as a POW camp for the 1967 war. Atlit camp , approx 5500 officers and soldiers Egyptian and Arab POWs interned after the 1967 war ... ref: | |||
| Hello. I don't want to start an argument about the Deir Yassin massacre, especially since we probably have similar views on the subject, but the appropriate way to convey the author's bias is to write "what the author describes as a raid on Deir Yassin", not to use ]. See ]. — ] (] '''·''' ]) 19:10, 27 December 2008 (UTC) | |||
| ::I haven't read the book, but from my knowledge of the way he writes, I would guess that he didn't call it a "raid", but rather an "action". fyi. --] (]) 06:15, 28 December 2008 (UTC) | |||
| Release of civilian prisoners at Atlith camp. -The ICRC delegation in Israel recently intervened on behalf of 40 Egyptian civilian prisoners interned at Atlith, released and repatriated on October 24 to El Arish and Gaza. | |||
| Try not to guess. The author uses "Battle of Deir Yassin" in an attempt at aggrandisement of Lehi and Irgun (as part of his propaganda method and should therefore not be acknowledged). Battles occur between armies and are not carried out by a small group of irregulars against a civil population. Actions is normally used to describe an irregular attack but in this incident Uri decided not to use the term "action"....] (]) 08:18, 28 December 2008 (UTC) | |||
| ::I understand from your post that you have actually read the book. That you should devote the time to reading this tripe, all in the name of accuracy, is a reason for admiration. | |||
| Simultaneously, the Israeli Government repatriated to Jordan the last prisoners of war still held at Atlith. | |||
| ::You are right about not guessing. So I went back and read the English summary (the original Hebrew book is unavailable - where did you get a copy?), and there he uses neither raid nor action. He also makes none of the distinctions between battles, actions and raids that you so clearly (if somewhat arbitrarily) define. Regards, --] (]) 15:48, 28 December 2008 (UTC) | |||
| Relief Parcels to POW's. -For the fast of Ramadan, the delegation of the ICRC in Tel Aviv handed a parcel containing food, cigarettes, soap and one blanket to each of the 4,500 prisoners in Atlith camp, who were released shortly after. | |||
| == Enough, Ashley == | |||
| The issue is not whether Segev is a reliable. Rather, the issues are a) the first sentence is entirely unsourced, b) we have no idea who ] is (and Rubenstein is not Segev), and c) '''the citation you provided doesn't support the claims you have made for it.''' Is that clear? Now instead of blindly reverting, or responding with incomprehensible comments, please respond meaningfully to my questions on the Talk: page. ]<sup><small><font color="DarkGreen">]</font></small></sup> 10:06, 28 December 2008 (UTC) | |||
| On 7 August 1968, the Israeli Ministry of Foreign Affairs announced that all prisoners of war captured in June 1967 had been released and repatriated. | |||
| == help needed == | |||
| On 14 June 1967, ICRC delegates carried out their first visit to Atlith camp, which contained 6,120 men, including 5,611 prisoners of war. Two Egyptian prisoners of war were killed during incidents at Atlith Camp. (1 shot during riot 6 Nov 1967) | |||
| After moving ] from Israel (the church is in ]) ...I have been looking at a few of the other churches, say ]..however, I don´t have a good map of the "green line". Could you please take a look and check? I suspect it is not only ] which is wrongly "placed" in Israel on WP. Thanks! -cheers, ] (]) 10:49, 28 December 2008 (UTC) | |||
| == Broader article restrictions == | |||
| 214 Syrian POWs held at Atlit with shared facilities with Egyptian POWs. | |||
| Ashley you've now received two article bans yet for some reason continue to be disruptive on articles related to water and water disputes between Israel and Palestine. Recently you have blanked and during content disputes. You also continue to be incredibly uncivil to other editors, recent examples would be and . Since you have not heeded the warning of article bans and simply moved on to causing disruption at new articles, you are now under a general topic ban from Israeli-Palestine articles for the next 60 days. <font face="Tempus Sans ITC" color="#2B0066">] <sup>]</sup></font> 10:59, 28 December 2008 (UTC) So what...wiki is about as useful for information as a cat litter tray...ask yourself why is wiki banned in education establishments? Why is wiki blamed for a decrease in exam passes? Just shows what jayjg can do, jayjg can reduce the sum total of human knowledge.......] (]) 11:35, 28 December 2008 (UTC) | |||
| :Honestly I'm not even certain what was meant by your response on my talk page. If you mean to say that your behavior is not disruptive then clearly you are mistaken. Deleting text you simply don't agree with, tagging articles and refusing to give reasons, adding hyperbole to articles that is not backed up by the sources you provide -- all of these are disruptive behaviors. Part of editing at Misplaced Pages is learning to work collaboratively with others - this means civilly discussing issues, adhering to ] even when you have personal feelings otherwise and in general, finding ways to work together to improve the project. Hopefully you can use this break from articles that seem to be causing you concern to develop some skills in ] so that after the 60 days has expired, you can return to what is a rather controversial area with a better sense of how to work on those articles collaboratively. | |||
| :I would also suggest that you may want to take a break at the moment until you feel you can stop attacking other editors. Continuing to make disparaging remarks may lead to a block on your account as well. <font face="Tempus Sans ITC" color="#2B0066">] <sup>]</sup></font> 11:40, 28 December 2008 (UTC) | |||
| ::When I said I wasn't certain what you meant, its not due to some odd problem with admins and articles, its because frankly, you're not communicating yourself very well. This seems to be a problem you've encountered frequently when trying to work with other editors - perhaps you could take some time to slow down while writing and make certain that you're being specific about what you're trying to say. As for the wiki, I'm certain that removing opinion and poorly sourced statements will be a net improvement. As far as your threats to stalk other editors on noticeboards and elsewhere, please understand that you're already at the end of a rather short rope - if the disruption continues, its likely you'll find yourself banned entirely. <font face="Tempus Sans ITC" color="#2B0066">] <sup>]</sup></font> 12:24, 28 December 2008 (UTC) | |||
| :::If you put together a factual statement about your concerns with NoCal100 with diffs showing the behavior you're concerned with, there's any number of admins that would be happy to look into the issue for you. So far, you've told me that other editors are decimating articles without providing any kind of evidence or even what articles might be affected - there's really not much I can do without more information. However, to head off an issue, if your idea of destroying articles is the removal of information you inserted that turns out not to be backed up by the source you provided, I'm afraid you're going to be disappointed by the response. <font face="Tempus Sans ITC" color="#2B0066">] <sup>]</sup></font> 12:33, 28 December 2008 (UTC) | |||
| ::::Yes, but you haven't discussed them before with me, so I'm going in a bit blind at the moment. If you can show me where you've discussed the issue before, assuming you provided evidence and diffs there, you wouldn't have to go putting it together another time. I'm sure newspapers have had a lot to say about Misplaced Pages, but I don't think that's going to help us resolve the problem at hand. And when I was referring to the removal of information not backed up by the source you provided, I was referring to your recent edits on ] which I don't believe NoCal100 has edited. You appear to have put in a lot of work on that article, so its unfortunate that a disagreement over content had to escalate to this point - has anyone helped you understand ]? <font face="Tempus Sans ITC" color="#2B0066">] <sup>]</sup></font> 13:43, 28 December 2008 (UTC) | |||
| Israel. Miśrad ha-biṭaḥon (1977) Facts & documents on the treatment of prisoners of war: Yom Kippur war, Syrian front Publisher Ministry of Defence, Israel, pp 258 to 266 | |||
| Hi Ashley,<br/> | |||
| Please keep cool ! You should admit that the claims you write in the article are not supported by the sources you give. If you have these sources, just provide them and everything is ok. If you don't find them back (as it often happens - I have the same problem), just wait for some time to find them back, there is no hurry !<br/> | |||
| Kind Regards, ] (]) 14:15, 28 December 2008 (UTC) | |||
| In October 1983 The ICRC was barred from visiting 700 to 800 prisoners who had been transferred from Ansar prison Lebanon to Atlit prison in September of that year. The ICRC protested to the Minister of Defense against this violation of the IV Geneva Convention. The detainees had been visited 3 times during September and October, prior to the ICRC being barred from pursuing its protection activities. ref: and David C. Wills (2003) The first war on terrorism: counter-terrorism policy during the Reagan administration Publisher Rowman & Littlefield, {{ISBN|0742531295}} p 90. | |||
| == DYK for al-Khadra Mosque == | |||
| Internment camp during the Israeli war on Lebanon | |||
| see also Ayalon prison in Ramleh and Ketziot detention center, Negev. | |||
| {| class="messagebox {{#ifeq:|yes|small|standard}}-talk" | |||
| == Israel and the anti-Semitic canard == | |||
| Lest we forget Judge Goldstone is also a Jew, therefore not supporting the Goldstone report could also, using the same logic as the Israeli Finance Minister, be called anti-Semitic. Actually more so, seeings as Goldstone is 100% Jewish while Israel is less than 75% Jewish. | |||
| ==Well worth the read== | |||
| ===Military History=== | |||
| Haim Levenberg (1993) Military preparations of the Arab community in Palestine, 1945-1948 Publisher Routledge, {{ISBN|0714634395}} p 127 ] | |||
| ===Land Use=== | |||
| Martin P. Bunton (2007) Colonial land policies in Palestine, 1917-1936 Publisher Oxford University Press, {{ISBN|0199211086}} | |||
| Michael R. Fischbach (2003) Records of dispossession: Palestinian refugee property and the Arab-Israeli conflict Publisher Columbia University Press, {{ISBN|0231129785}} | |||
| ===Culture=== | |||
| Margarita Skinner (2007) Palestinian embroidery motifs: a treasury of stitches 1850-1950 Publisher Melisende, {{ISBN|1901764478}} | |||
| ===An absolute MUST READ=== | |||
| Constantin-François Volney (1788) Travels through Syria and Egypt, in the years 1783, 1784, and 1785: Containing the present natural and political state of those countries, their productions, arts, manufactures, and commerce; with observations on the manners,customs, and government of the Turks and Arabs. Publisher printed for G.G.J. and J. Robinson. | |||
| Volney describes the area called by the inhabitants Falastin. (p 327) | |||
| Chapter on Palestine, ch 31. P 328 to 357 | |||
| :Heh, I came across him, ages ago, writing about ] (] wrote the first (European) biography on him.) My favorite quote: "one may pass one´s whole lifetime in learning a great deal, and knowing nothing" Cheers! ] (]) 00:42, 31 October 2009 (UTC) | |||
| Yes Volney did a fair piece on Acre, politics background etc. he remarks quite a bit about French factories all over the Levant but not much about the Levant company who were more active...] (]) 02:09, 31 October 2009 (UTC) | |||
| :Ah yes, but I think many Western writer *used* the Middle East to say something about their own world ...like Miller used the ] to say something about his McCartny USA. Anyway; according to Said ("Orientalism") ..Volney was a "textbook" for conquering the MiddleEast...a textbook that apparently Napoleon studied extensively! ...think about that, and the N´s slaughter at Jaffa---, when you read it. Cheers, ] (]) 10:49, 31 October 2009 (UTC) | |||
| I did note the date of publication and the date of the Napoleonic invasion also that Volney was part of Napoleons government...] (]) 18:52, 31 October 2009 (UTC) | |||
| ==District/Sub-District== | |||
| {| border="1" | |||
| |+ Table of Palestinian Arab villages destroyed in Israel by British Mandatory District | |||
| ! District !! Sub-District !! Number of Villages !! Number of Villages Destroyed | |||
| |- | |- | ||
| ! Galilee | |||
| |] | |||
| | Safad || 83 || 78 | |||
| |On ], ], ''']''' was updated with {{#if:|facts|a fact}} from the article{{#if:|s|}} ''''']'''''{{#if:|{{#if:|, |, and}} ''''']''''' | |||
| |- | |||
| }}{{#if:|{{#if:|, |, and}} ''''']''''' | |||
| ! | |||
| }}{{#if:|, and ''''']'''''}}, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the ]. | |||
| | Acre || 64 || 29 | |||
| |} <!-- ], ] --> | |||
| |- | |||
| ! | |||
| | Tiberias || 29 || 24 | |||
| |- | |||
| ! | |||
| | Nazareth || 31 || 4 | |||
| |- | |||
| ! | |||
| | Baysan || 33 || 31 | |||
| |- | |||
| ! Haifa | |||
| |Haifa || 72 || 45 | |||
| |- | |||
| !Samaria | |||
| | Jenin || 19 || 6 | |||
| |- | |||
| ! | |||
| | Tulkarm || 34 || 4 (possibly 6) | |||
| |- | |||
| ! | |||
| | Nablus || na. || na. | |||
| |- | |||
| ! Lydda | |||
| | Ramla || 56 || 56 | |||
| |- | |||
| ! | |||
| | Jaffa || 26 || 26 | |||
| |- | |||
| ! Jerusalem | |||
| | Ramallah || na. || na. | |||
| |- | |||
| ! | |||
| | Jerusalem || 41 || 37 | |||
| |- | |||
| ! | |||
| | Hebron || 19 || 15 | |||
| |- | |||
| ! Gaza | |||
| |Gaza|| 46 || 46 | |||
| |- | |||
| ! | |||
| |Beersheba|| 26 || 26 | |||
| |- | |||
| ! | |||
| |Totals|| 579 || 427 (possibly 429) | |||
| |} | |||
| Michael R. Fischbach (2003) Records of dispossession: Palestinian refugee property and the Arab-Israeli conflict Publisher Columbia University Press, {{ISBN|0231129785}} p 5 using Nijim, Basheer K (1984) Toward the de-Arabization of Palestine/Israel 1945-1977 Publisher Kendall/Hunt Pub. Co. for the Jerusalem Fund for Education and Community Development {{ISBN|0-8403-3299-8}} | |||
| Note: on the re-organisation of Northern Palestine during the British mandate period. | |||
| == Gaza solidarity == | |||
| 'On the 14th July for the purposes of administrative convenience the Northern District, which comprised the Phoenicia, Galilee and Samaria divisions, was reorganized as two Districts: the Haifa sub-districts (urban and rural) and the Samaria division remained under the District Commissioner, Haifa, and a new Galilee District comprising the Galilee Division and the Acre sub-district was created with Headquarters at Nazareth. The two Districts are called "Haifa and Samaria" and "Galilee and Acre" respectively.' | |||
| Greetings Ashley kennedy3. Please see ]. --] (]) 04:38, 12 January 2009 (UTC) | |||
| == Where have you been?!? == | |||
| == Beit HaShita == | |||
| We missed you there bro. WP Palestine's active users are on a dry spell. Tiamut hasn't been here for a while, Huldra has been drifting in and out, although I haven't heard from her lately, and I've been contributing mostly to WP Syria for the past few weeks. I did create some new articles this month however. They are ], ], ], ], ], ], ], ], and ]. All could use coordiantes I think. By the way, ] is on its way to being listed as a Good article, and I was wondering if you could provide the coords for the city's districts, ] and ]. Regards, --] (]) 06:18, 27 February 2009 (UTC) | |||
| :Could you add the coords to ] (Khirbet al-Tarrama), ], ], and ] (in Syria)? --] (]) 20:02, 7 March 2009 (UTC) | |||
| ::Coords for ] please. By the way, great job expanding ]! --] (]) 05:18, 9 March 2009 (UTC) | |||
| In July 1948 the area of Beit haShita was extended with the acquisition of 5,400 dunums from the Palestinian Arab villages of ] and ]. | |||
| == ] == | |||
| Michael R. Fischbach (2003) Records of dispossession: Palestinian refugee property and the Arab-Israeli conflict Publisher Columbia University Press, {{ISBN|0231129785}} p 13 | |||
| http://ipsnews.net/news.asp?idnews=44104 | |||
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| * (November 7, 2006), presentation by Dotan Greenvald and Yehuda Shaul, members of <i>Breaking the Silence</i> | |||
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| ==Hagana/Irgun/Stern Gang cooperation coordination== | |||
| == Coords == | |||
| October/November 1945 | |||
| Marhaba Ashley, thanks for the offer... I've been going through the ] and trying to look up coords for them, any help would be welcome! :) ] (]) 10:38, 9 March 2009 (UTC) | |||
| :Sorry I forgot to put the link to the category. ].. ] (]) 10:44, 9 March 2009 (UTC) | |||
| ::Haha, actually I've been focusing more on coords for buildings and structures (most of them are well referenced)... But you're right, WP Syria has been quite inactive for a while. On a side note, we're using the ] template to categorize them. ] (]) 11:08, 9 March 2009 (UTC) | |||
| :::To answer your questions briefly. 1. I don't know the people working on Syriac/Aramean articles, sorry! 2. I prefer DMS, it's easier to get from GE. 3. I am no such thing, actually I don't think we have that. But since I (along with Al Ameer who joined us lately) are the only real active editors on WP-Sy, we get to fill out all the "seats", so there... Again, thanks for the help! Greatly appreciated... ] (]) 06:46, 10 March 2009 (UTC) | |||
| Just before my departure, one of the commanders of the Haganah (the Jewish self-defense organization) asked me to tell our friends in London of a tentative agreement with the dissidents in the Yishuv which would place them under central discipline and thus prevent complete chaos and terrorist dominance in its more devastating forms. The man asserted that he had succeeded in getting the extremists to accept public authority and that they would henceforth obey his orders. But he admitted that the agreement would be observed only if it led to a physical clash with the Mandatory Power. According to him, it was "an agreement to take action, and not an agreement to prevent it." | |||
| == Rimal and coords == | |||
| Horowitz, David (1953) State in the making. (Bi-shelihut medinah noledet) translated from the Hebrew by Julian Meltzer Publisher ALFRED A. KNOPF p 4 | |||
| Yes, I know. Just as there is Tuffah East and Tuffah West. However, in all the sources I've come across, they all describe one large Rimal district (neighborhood). On a tour guide map from google books it shows North and South Rimal, so we should at least mention this in the article. Good catch. | |||
| About Midan al-Jundi. I'm not sure what it's generally called, I just got the name from the source. I also came across the name "Unknown Soldier Square". You could rename it to what's appropriate, as long as there are sources to back it up of course... | |||
| The first reports came through of attacks in all parts of the country, against the railroad system and at the Lydda rail-junction, in Haifa Harbor, and elsewhere. It was a very wide front and the British deduced, from the reports and spot information, that Haganah had participated in the large-scale operation and co-operated with the dissident groups. | |||
| I'm all for imitating WP Syria's coords program. How we all initiate it? --] (]) 22:23, 9 March 2009 (UTC) | |||
| ] | |||
| Dr. Weizmann and Moshe Shertok were summoned to an interview with Ernest Bevin, the Foreign Secretary. They found him in wrathful and indignant mood. He upbraided them harshly and revealed that information in his possession showed this to have been a joint operation between Haganah and terrorist groups. In his view, the action taken was a declaration of war against Britain and he would employ the utmost measures to counter it. | |||
| == Re:Nuseirat power plant == | |||
| Horowitz, David (1953) State in the making. (Bi-shelihut medinah noledet) translated from the Hebrew by Julian Meltzer Publisher ALFRED A. KNOPF p 16 | |||
| Why not. We should also create an article on it eventually. --] (]) 22:32, 10 March 2009 (UTC) | |||
| note: The Ernest Bevin evidence was bound into a "white paper" and duly presented to the UN. | |||
| ==Governorate== | |||
| Governorate is the closest english translation for the Arabic word ], which is the first level subdivions in most Arab countries. ] (]) 09:30, 11 March 2009 (UTC) | |||
| :It's the official word used in Syria. They can be used interchangeably but for example uses Governorate. ] (]) 09:47, 11 March 2009 (UTC) | |||
| == |
== HRW in Israel == | ||
| I'm talking about the one next to Jabaliya at the northernmost end of Gaza City. Google maps actually has it labeled (as Sheih Radwan). Could you make the correction and the coords please. Sorry for the mix-up. Yea, I had my suspicions on al-Qubbah (also spelled Kuba). By al-Montar, do you mean Tell al-Muntar described in the bottom of the Geography section in the ] article. If so, we could create an article on it since we got info on it. It's not a district, but it could be a suburb or something like that. --] (]) 22:28, 12 March 2009 (UTC) | |||
| :Thanks for clarifying al-Montar. About Sheikh Radwan, I'm not sure if what you're saying is correct. The Sheikh Radwan I'm speaking of is clearly depicted in this map here, . It's right on top of Gaza, next an-Nazla. --] (]) 23:26, 12 March 2009 (UTC) | |||
| ::Hahaha! I still don't which one to believe (the location is pretty much the same, but not exactly the same). The map I'm using has the area labeled as an Israeli housing project which matches the information in the History section of the article. The UN Map is more reliable and detailed, however, so I agree we go with that one. The "Texan" map probably just misplaced it I guess... So, are we clear on the coords now? By the way, there is no Montar shown on the UN Map. In its place is "at-Turkuman". --] (]) 23:44, 12 March 2009 (UTC) | |||
| :::The Texans might be right, after all.... I searched for "الشيخ رضوان" (Sheikh Radwan in Arabic), and plotted the first nine results and then drew a blue rectangle around them. Jabalia (including Jabalia RC) and Beach Camp are in Yellow. Using this primitive approach I must agree (to a certain degree of confidence) with the Texans. <s>I will try to do the same for "Nazlah", and update you on it.</s> ]'s the map I created for Sheikh Radwan, and ]'s An-Nazla. --] (]) 01:07, 13 March 2009 (UTC) | |||
| ::::Dammit! Which one is it! I want the coords!!! --] (]) 06:47, 14 March 2009 (UTC) | |||
| note: The disturbing part of Bernstein’s article is that he does not refute any of the claims made by HRW but merely that he disagrees with the presence of HRW in a “democratic country” and quite candidly remarks that the foundations of HRW was as an anti-Soviet and anti-PRC (China) political movement. Bernstein's assessment of the "Israeli free press" in the article is an assessment of the world press and omits that the world press is denied access to incidents such as the Israeli war against Gazans where the press was denied access to the Gaza strip from November 2008. | |||
| == Rimal == | |||
| The "uninhabited" part was OR I must admit, but the source (which you could read yourself if you want) says it was made up of sand dunes. Now, there could be a relation between the ancient and middle ages port of Gaza (Maiuma), but we need this to be written explicitly (or hell, even inexplicably) to include it in the article. Either way, we should start an article on the ], like there is one on the ] or ]. --] (]) 06:46, 14 March 2009 (UTC) | |||
| :No, not at all. I'm very happy you found sources to relate the port and Rimal. I thought they were at the same site, but I needed a source for it and you provided it. I restructured the article's History section to clarify that Rimal existed as the ancient port, and that the modern district was founded in the British Mandate era. About the ] article... I don't think it should be named "Port of Gaza, Rimal" simply because it complicates things and I'm pretty sure it's not MoS. I haven't seen any city port article named as such, so I'll move it now. Cheers! --] (]) 16:53, 15 March 2009 (UTC) | |||
| ==Nakba Denial and Competing Historiographies.== | |||
| You took out the bit about Rimal being the centre for the licentious and debauched pagan rituals (skinny dipping, mimes, plays and poetry reading) according to the Christians. You're a spoil sport....] (]) 17:30, 15 March 2009 (UTC) | |||
| The official Israeli narrative mirrors the widely accepted North American founding myth of manifest destiny where settlers bring civilisation and economic advancement to a backward sparsely populated savage land. | |||
| This article first appeared in Haq al-Awda (May 2004). Translation from Hebrew by Ingrid Jaradat Gassner. | |||
| == Hamas/number == | |||
| I figured that "a number of" would be better. It lacks both the exclusionary connotations of "some" and the size of "many". -- ] (]) 21:15, 16 March 2009 (UTC) | |||
| == Gaza template? == | |||
| Please give your input at the ]. Cheers! --] (]) 04:22, 17 March 2009 (UTC) | |||
| == Yishuv rejects partition plan area == | |||
| Everything else can be denied. It can always be said that photographs of civilians killed were fabricated. The Palestinians' accounts can be dismissed as lies, intrigues of Hamas, embellishment or, at best, facts taken out of context since Gazans are, after all, afraid of what Hamas would do to them if they told the truth. | |||
| Mr. Moshe Shertok as head of Political Department of the Jewish Agency statement to Ad Hoc committee on Palestine. ...] (]) 01:15, 18 March 2009 (UTC) | |||
| :Interesting ! Can you tell me where exactly in the document it is written because it is quite long and I didn't find this... ] (]) 12:45, 22 March 2009 (UTC) | |||
| == FYI == | |||
| ===Invented History=== | |||
| Thus, for example, the Jews who acquired the home of the respected al Madi family in the village of ] say that the house was a splendid Crusader castle; its present inhabitants are unable to believe that such a splendid structure was built by Arabs. | |||
| Benvenisti, Meron (2002) Sacred Landscape; the Buried History of the Holy Land Since 1948 University of California Press {{ISBN|0-520-23422-7}} p 169 | |||
| Cheers, <small style="border: 1px solid;padding:1px 4px 1px 3px;white-space:nowrap">''']''' - ''']''' - 19.03.2009 15:25</small> | |||
| The ] tradition in Israeli society plays an important part in the lies and half truths Israel uses to excuse its behaviour. | |||
| == Warning / restriction re ] == | |||
| a nation that “gets by,” that worships those who are best at “getting by”: Those who successfully cut as many corners as possible; those who know how to extract the most from the system; and mainly, those who don’t get caught. And if they are caught—get away with it.... A nation of people who want to do as they please. Who have found themselves a new philosophy that permits no one to judge them. | |||
| You've been reported on ]. I can't be bothered to wade through all your edits to find out if you're guilty or not, but you've definitely been edit warring. So I'm banning you from the article (but not talk) page for 24h. Also, that page gets enough edits as it is, and your habit of making huge numbers of minor edits pollutes the edit history intolerably. So don't edit it again until you have learned to use the "preview" button ] (]) 19:31, 19 March 2009 (UTC) | |||
| :::'I can't be bothered' sums it up, Ashley. But you lead with your chin. You know that you're in NoCal100's sights, and that he will repeatedly follow you, with a little help from friends, to mark your record as one which, any administrator, at a glance, will judge as frivolous, because all too many just read the log of violations. The game is to make that look so bad, no one will even look at the details. Time doesn't allow for a mellow assessment of the games being played. Don't appeal, accept the judgement, though lazy, and look at what the other guy's trying to draw you into before editing. Of course, if you do as I do, and argue the point on a talk page, you'll probably be told your an edit warrior, in any case, as I have just been said to be. Heads he wins, tails you lose. In war, as you must know, the first rule is to keep your head down, and not charge like a wounded bull into crossfire, esp. when you know there's a practiced sniper out there.] (]) 19:59, 19 March 2009 (UTC) | |||
| ::::'I can't be bothered' ...hey, Nishi; at least Connolley is perfectly honest! Lets applaud that! Seriously, Ashley, could you please keep me company for a few days? Like, say in ] and ]?? Please? Looking forward to your company! Cheers, ] (]) 20:07, 19 March 2009 (UTC) | |||
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| ==Israel and Democracy== | |||
| == Apropos the original point for which you were hauled over the coals == | |||
| ==Needs a title== | |||
| I've had for some time this in my chronologies. | |||
| The old Zionist rhetoric surfaces continually how Jewish enterprises made an economic miracle in Palestine. This is a look at the veracity of the Zionist rhetoric of being a immigration magnate to Palestinian Arabs and how Jewish economic stimulus, Jewish Doctors and Jewish engineering benefited the Palestinian Arabs? | |||
| Of all the studies carried out not one (Baruch Kimmerling, Gershon Shafir, Charles Kamen and Anita Shapira) has verified the British colonial and Jewish Zionist rhetoric that Jewish settlement aided palestinian Arab development. All the studies have shown that the reverse was the fact and that Jewish settlement stifled Palestinian Arab economic development and institution building. The much quote phase about Jewish settlement aiding development was in fact a British colonial dream of "bringing western civilisation to the natives" and then reiterated in Zionist discourse as though fact. | |||
| '16-19 May Israeli raids on military targets in Syria and Lebanon’ ], ''The Arab-Israeli Conflict: the Palestine War 1948,''Osprey Publishing, 2002 p.11 | |||
| "Jewish settlement, and in particular the Zionist policy of exclusiveness, hindered Arab economic development." ref; Charles Samuel Kamen (1991) Little Common Ground: Arab Agriculture and Jewish Settlement in Palestine, University of Pittsburgh Press, {{ISBN|0822936682}} p 271 | |||
| Since Lebanon wasn't involved in the war at that time, the implication is that Israeli forces raided Lebanon before the 3rd Malikiyya battle much later, in which Lebanese forces did engage briefly, some 700 yrds into Palestine, at a period when no belligerent respected the UN partition boundaries. So, from Karsh's time-line Israel was the first to attack within Lebanese territory before Lebanon itself committed its army to that 3 hour skirmish several weeks later. An army that retaliates cannot be said to 'invade'. I've been looking through my books, and checking the net, and cannot find anything substantial on these raids, but since no one believes you, I thought it best to drop you a note. You're correct: they are wrong. I hope we can get better info on this than a mere vague note from a timeline.] (]) 20:23, 21 March 2009 (UTC) | |||
| :I think the raids were actions performed by small Palmach units (commandos) in order to slow the entry of the Syrians and the Lebanese. In fact, they didn't know (or were not 100% sure) Lebanese would not intervene. Most interesting anyway is the attack performed by the Carmeli Brigade along the Galilee coast, in Arab territory, a few hours before the end of the Mandate (this is the 1st Israeli agression !) and directly on the way by which Lebanese were expected to enter... | |||
| :Else, you are right. Lebanese troops were not directly involved in the war. ] (]) 12:51, 22 March 2009 (UTC) | |||
| :::Timelines here are determined as much by political declarations (Declaration of Israel/Arab Government declarations) as by events on the ground. A virtual civil wqar had been affot for several months, and at this point it was 'internationalized. Most of the older sources don't seem to understand that, but like the cliché Israel declared/the Arab hordes invaded ''Israel'' formula. The scholarship underway is now correcting this cradle story. Ther new sources say, for example, that the Palmach/Carmeli/Yiftach sorties into foreign territory were based on false intelligence as often as not. The sorties themselves then created reactions, and things precipitated. We substantially agree, but given the lamentable state of the page, I won't be editing here.] (]) 17:47, 22 March 2009 (UTC) | |||
| I had already met Robert Nathan and Oscar Gass, two foremost Washington economists, prior to their appearance before the committee, and had discussed with them the questions likely to be raised. Bob Nathan's exposition of Palestine economy led to some keen interrogation on Jewish labor, the clause in the Jewish National Fund charter prohibiting employment of Arab labor on its land, the agrarian problems and Jewish relations with the Arabs. The British chairman, Sir John E. Singleton, was the most persistent. Richard Grossman caused great surprise by asking: "Would the revolution you are carrying out in the social-economic sphere be possible under a foreign regime?" | |||
| == Who shot first in the '48 war ? == | |||
| Horowitz, David (1953) State in the making. (Bi-shelihut medinah noledet) translated from the Hebrew by Julian Meltzer Publisher ALFRED A. KNOPF p 37. | |||
| Hi Ashley,<br/> | |||
| I am not sure to understand all the points of the discussion you have had on the talk page but : | |||
| * according to Ilan Pappé (1992), the Arabs first shoot | |||
| * according to Ilan Pappé (2006), this first shoot was not important and was to be followed by quietness and then, the Irgun, the Lehi and the Haganah started to use violence | |||
| * according to Saleh Abdel Jawad (2007), the fights in fact started in mid-december and the events before are not linked to the vote of the partition plan but was due to gangs | |||
| * according to Benny Morris (2008), p.76, all these analysis all together but add that in anyway, on december 2, at Jerusalem, a large Arab mob with 2 AHC officials, armed with knifes and clubs, attacked the Jewish commercial center and that many Jewish were wounded, some heavily... and he concludes : "(...) the war had begun". | |||
| * Yoav Gelber (2006) p.17 says nothing else but what Morris says. | |||
| note agrarian problem, ie the kibbutz were loss making and these loss making enterprises only employed Jewish labour. The Kibbutz losses were so large that the mandate of Palestine tax receipts dropped. | |||
| I think it is not at all relevant to know who started the '48 war. It started 30 years sooner in fact but in that case, it seems to me that the first "violence" came from Arabs and AHC. | |||
| The first Aliya wave of immigration to the land of Israel was in crisis, having lost faith in the enterprise. Farmers of the relatively sound, orchard based Jewish colonies on the coastal plain upped and left the country by the dozens. Many in Palestine's new jewish Yishuv lent an avid ear to the Uganda plan (the idea of establishing a Jewish colony in East Africa under British protection), for who knew better than they how arduous it was to settle the land of Israel. Shapira, Anita. Yigal Allon; Native Son; A Biography Translated by Evelyn Abel, University of Pennsylvania Press {{ISBN|978-0-8122-4028-3}} p 4 | |||
| Please, you absolutely must stop to use the word Hasbara against contradictors : | |||
| * it is against ] | |||
| * it is false because most of them, at worst, don't know the topic but are good faith | |||
| * it is not pertinent; ] refers to re-information related to recent topics, not for historical events. | |||
| ] (]) 12:40, 22 March 2009 (UTC) | |||
| :nb: I have also asked you a question here above about Shertok's rejection. ] (]) 12:46, 22 March 2009 (UTC) | |||
| How many self-supporting kibbutz were there? | |||
| == Removal of material == | |||
| Mainly, he motivated by the colonies stagnation: after eighteen years of hard work and huge investment-estimated at £1.6 million-they were still not self sufficient.Shapira, Anita. Yigal Allon; Native Son; A Biography Translated by Evelyn Abel, University of Pennsylvania Press {{ISBN|978-0-8122-4028-3}} p 7. | |||
| Hi Ashley,<br/> | |||
| Don't you think you are a little tiny bit of bad faith ;-))<br/> | |||
| What GHcool says is that the information he removed is a detail, important for the article about the 1947 partition, but too small a detail for an article about the whole I-P conflict story...<br/> | |||
| That's all.<br/> | |||
| What you have found is important from my point of view. I didn't know that and it clarifies what is a myth and what is not in the traditionnal Israeli historiography but I agree with GHcool that there is maybe too much material dedicated to this acception of the partition by a Zionist leader who is not much known...<br/> | |||
| That is ]...<br/> | |||
| No ? ] (]) 17:59, 22 March 2009 (UTC) | |||
| :Well, | |||
| :A good faith editor always being accused of ''hasbara'' each time he does something will probably remain of ''good faith'' but with ''bad will'' (mauvaise volonté)... ;-) | |||
| :Keep cool. If all this goes on that way, you will (once again ?) ends up in jail ;-) | |||
| :] (]) 18:12, 22 March 2009 (UTC) | |||
| Selfsupporting Zionist settlements.In the Memorandum submitted by the Jewish Agency, at page 24, the following is written : " Those settlements which have received their full equipment from the KerenHayesod are now selfsupporting. The other settlements that have not yet received their full settlement loan are most of them by now very near to the stage of being ' selfsupporting.' In this connection we mean by the term ' selfsupporting ' that the ordinary farm expenditure and living expenditure, including renovation, but not including depreciation, nor repayment of settlement loan, nor rent (which is not yet payable), are covered by the ordinary farm income. In this sense the following settlements in the valley of Esdraelon are already selfsupporting, viz., Nahalal, Ginegar, Balfouria, Kfar Yeheskiel." | |||
| == ] and ooopsh: ], == | |||
| work, work, more work: I believe you started ] some time ago, now I just discovered ], started earlier this year, which looks like the same place to me. However; the coordinates are not the same, and I have no idea as to which are correct; I hope you do. I guess we should throw anything which isn´t already in the ] there, and make ] a REDIR? Feel like doing it? | |||
| From a Memorandum submitted by the Jewish Agency, who are trying to paint the kibbutz in the best light possible, KerenHayesod had managed a grand total of four "self-supporting" kibbutz by 1930, so long as you didn’t ask for the rent or repayment on loans, which is rather stretching the definition of self-supporting. | |||
| Otherwise; these days I´m mostly occupied with giving the 1948-villages a history, so to speak. Years ago I read a book by the Peruvian author ], "Redoble por Rancas", about what happen in the Andes in the 1950-62. He wrote about "the villages that only existed on the military maps of the regiments that destroyed them" .....I got a bit tired of seeing all these articles about Palestinian villages, some hundreds of years old, that on wikipedia only existed as the IDF documents proclaiming their destruction...so I decided to do something about it... Cheers, ] (]) 15:05, 24 March 2009 (UTC) | |||
| :Ahem, opposite!? you redir an article with three refs into one with only one ref? ] (]) 15:20, 24 March 2009 (UTC) | |||
| ::Opsh, I´m afraid I really didn´t read it at all..I just noticed because I was working on ], who had ] listed.....who in turn had a red-link to ] etc, etc... Anyway, I´m glad it is now in a place where I can type it on my computer...thanks for the work! cheers, ] (]) 16:30, 24 March 2009 (UTC)] | |||
| So what did the British authorities say about the four self-supporting colonies? | |||
| ==1990 Temple mount Riots== | |||
| The Consolidation Budget.By the courtesy of Dr. Kuppin, statements were submitted bringing up to date the information contained in Table I printed on page 72 of the Experts' Report, This table gives, among other information, the amount of the " Consolidation Budget," that is, the amount still necessary to complete the settlement of each colony. From the statements it appears that for Nahalal (which is described in the Memorandum as " selfsupporting ") a sum of £10,000 is still required, for Ginegar the sum is £23,000, for Balfouria, £3,500. | |||
| ::Just to let you know Jayjg has again reduced the article to a stub and the wording has been changed back from Al-aqsa to Temple mount. ] 00:08, 25 March 2009 (UTC) | |||
| :::Rather than commenting on other editor's Talk: page, in the hopes of goading him into reverting on your behalf, why don't you instead find some reliable material on the article topic? And by reliable, I don't mean a Misplaced Pages editor's assessment of youtube videos. ]<sup><small><font color="DarkGreen">]</font></small></sup> 00:22, 25 March 2009 (UTC) | |||
| Kfar Yeheskiel : Cost o/ Settlement. Only in the case of Kfar Yeheskiel can the colony be said to be selfsupporting, and in the modified sense of that word used in the Memorandum. This colony contained 59 families, in 1930. In the statement on p. 72 of the Experts' Report the cost of the land for this colony and its amelioration was shown at $342,090, say £70,389. In the statement now submitted the cost of the equipment is shown as £63,935 in addition. The total expenditure of settling 59 families is, therefore, £134,329, an average of £2,277 per family. | |||
| ::In what way did I lie, I gave a basic description of what you did which is essentially reducing the article to a stub. Also videos count a sources. If you think the the editors mispresented the sources than put tags on the article and argue about on the talk page and add other sources you feel contradict them. Isn't that what you guys told me to do on the "A Land without a People For A People without a land" article. ] 00:30, 25 March 2009 (UTC) | |||
| :::Actually, no, youtube videos do not count as ], and a Misplaced Pages editor's review of various videos is ]. Find reliable sources. ]<sup><small><font color="DarkGreen">]</font></small></sup> 00:36, 25 March 2009 (UTC) | |||
| I wouldn't worry about it...I've seen the sorry arsed links that have been termed references by sections of editor...] (]) 00:35, 25 March 2009 (UTC) | |||
| :He needs to worry about ], ], and ]. So do you. ]<sup><small><font color="DarkGreen">]</font></small></sup> 00:36, 25 March 2009 (UTC) | |||
| KerenHayesod : Budget.In view of the continuing necessity for expenditure on existing colonies it is remarkable to find that in the year 1928-1929 the budget of the KerenHayesod for agricultural colonisation fell from £167,090 of the previous year, to £93,123, while at the same time the expenditure on urban colonisation rose from £4,747 to £91,949. | |||
| Further, there is at present a plan in preparation with the object of placing one thousand families of labourers on the land. The following is an extract from the Report of the Palestine Jewish Agency, published in the " Palestine Weekly " of July 4th, | |||
| However, audio, video, and multimedia materials that have been recorded then broadcast, distributed, or archived by a reputable third-party may also meet the necessary criteria to be considered reliable source | |||
| 1930 : | |||
| " . . . . It is also a matter of common knowledge that at the last meeting of the Administrative Committee of the Jewish Agency, which took place in London, it was resolved to settle one thousand families of workers, by means of extra budgetary funds, in the vicinity of the big plantation colonies. The plan is still in the preparatory stage . . . ." | |||
| ::Sounds like videos are allowed to me. ] 00:43, 25 March 2009 (UTC) | |||
| :::a) Youtube is not a "reputable third-party". b) An editor's interpretation of a video is ]. Please stop making flawed arguments, and instead start respecting policy. ]<sup><small><font color="DarkGreen">]</font></small></sup> 00:46, 25 March 2009 (UTC) | |||
| And that is about four "self-supporting" colonies after 40 to 50 years of colonisation by Jewish immigrants. | |||
| ::Fine then change the wording, but you don't reduce the article to nothing just because you don't like the content. I am making perfectly reasonable arguments in line with wikipedia policy, you are simply choosing to ignore them. | |||
| The British authorities estimate of "self-supporting" kibbutz is one and only in a limited sense of the word used in the Jewish agency's Memorandum. Could it be said the kibbutz were successful as an Arab magnate when the kibbutz hadn't even got to the "self-supporting level? | |||
| ::Plus, what makes youtube unreliable. If the editor made up the video then that would be so, but if it exists than it is valid. ] 00:52, 25 March 2009 (UTC) | |||
| Petah Tikva, the largest of these colonies, resembled a small town in Lithuania. Zikhon Yaakov and various colonies in Galilee were similar in style. Rishon le-Zion had a somewhat peculiar character, a mixture of Jewish hamlet and quasi-French manners, due to the influence of the officials of Baron Rothschild who lived there. Most of these colonies remained dependent on the baron’s assistance over a period of more than fifteen years, down to the turn of the century. | |||
| ::Plus I reverted you on Munich because you were wrong in regards to the movie. The movie never definetely states that he was part of Black September. I saw it on your contribs page and got curious. I've looked at other articles you've edited and I haven't reverted them. One article doesn't count as stalking. I reverted it because I thought I was wrong. | |||
| After the Baron Rothschild became involved in the enterprise and decided to support the colonies, which were threatened with extinction due to lack of capital, he decided to implement monoculture cultivation in Palestine, that is, a farm economy based on a single crop meant for marketing. The first crop that the colonies in Judea and Samaria (areas situated in the southern and northern coastal plain) specialised in was viticulture. Only at a later stage did they begin to develop the citrus branch, a field in which the Jaffa Arabs had already succeeded, having made a brand name of their oranges. Shapira, Anita (1999) Land and Power; The Zionist Resort to Force, 1881-1948. Stanford University press, {{ISBN|0-8047-3776-2}} pp 56-57 | |||
| ::I'm not going to be involved with the Temple riots article from now on. Ashley intends to get to it and I intend to leave it to him to decide how to proceed. Can we end this nonsense now. ] 01:02, 25 March 2009 (UTC) | |||
| What is also noticeable in Shapira's work is her Zionism. Here you have her saying that the Baron implements monoculture as though this was the first time monoculture was being developed to grow cash crops and yet in the next sentence you notice that Jaffa Arabs had already introduce monoculture into the region with orange groves that had already become a brand name. It is amazing how these supposedly "backward" "feudal" "impoverished" Palestinian Arabs developed the main export product of the region without any aid from the failing Jewish entrepreneurs. You'd have thought a successful industry would have been a better immigration magnate than failing Jewish kibbutz who employed Jewish only labour. | |||
| Were the kibbutz paying their way at all? | |||
| Jayjg is a deletionist and doesn't approve of anything that shows opinions that Jayjg does not hold...he will game and wikilawyer until the cows come home...he will put forward spurious arguments that have little or no logic...get use to him and work around him..] (]) 01:07, 25 March 2009 (UTC) | |||
| Results of Jewish Settlement. | |||
| == Good edit == | |||
| The results of Jewish colonisation of the Vale of Esdraelon are varied. In some villages there are clear signs of success; in others, the opposite is the case. The village of Afuleh, which the American Zionist Commonwealth boomed as the Chicago of Palestine, is a sea of thistles through which one travels for long distances. A plague of field mice, which has done extensive damage to both Jewish and Arab cultivation in the Vale during the present year was officially stated to be due to the fact that 30,000 dunams of the land held by the Jews are derelict and covered with weeds. It is also a fact that in a number of villages the tithes paid by the Jews are considerably below those paid by the Arabs who formerly cultivated those villages. | |||
| Welcome back, and good edit. We should sit back and watch what happen, although 'and realistic considerations' might also be added before the fact tag. ] (]) 16:06, 25 March 2009 (UTC) | |||
| :Understood, but… looking at it from an equal, rather than ‘chosen’ pov, I gotta say the determining decision was taken, and made sense, at the time when it was on the table; they considered those specific historical circumstances, that specific geography, at that specific time (but there was also some heavy lobbying). That said, I am not inclusive enough to swallow that same sales-pitch to be legitimately re-sold so simply, considering quite different current historical circumstances, geography, demographics and imperialistic sense of righteousness. I look upon ‘religious’ bases as having two sources: the first is the well-known RS’d book, which is a legitimate, RS’d concept; the second is an overly ‘messianic’ interpretation thereof, which gives me the heeby-geebies (sorry, no link, and I couldn’t provide a good definition) because, as I have stated before elsewhere, that type of interpretation is well beyond everyone’s legitimate editing reliability. That includes all of Abraham’s three feuding lineages. I prefer to interpret personally, what He means, rather than exactly what He is reported to have said. I suspect that NPOV was not an accepted concept at that time. ] and acceptance of waking up tomorrow and working toward the meaning, not the narrowly interpreted word. ] (]) 17:41, 25 March 2009 (UTC) | |||
| == Your comment is requested == | |||
| Zionist settlements.The settlements of the Zionist organisation have not been in existence for as long a time as those of the P.I.C.A., and they work on different principles. The outstanding principle is " selflabour '', which implies that no settler shall have more land than the area he is able to cultivate by the unaided labour of himself and his family. In the case of the cooperative group, the area is determined by the amount which the group is able to cultivate without assistance. Notwithstanding the fact that the settlers receive a certain agricultural training as chalutzim " (i.e., pioneers) before arrival in Palestine, they are not by early training agriculturists. They are drawn from all walks of life. There is no lack of ardour or enthusiasm, and there can be no doubt that in time the settlements will be able to support the cultivators, especially in those districts where plantation is possible. Meanwhile, there are few if any, of the settlements which are truly selfsupporting, and there appear to be none in which any payment has been made in respect of the outlay by the Jewish National Fund or the KerenHayesod. | |||
| at ] --] (]) 17:10, 25 March 2009 (UTC) | |||
| Kibbutz failing and empty kibbutz causing hardship to their neighbours. | |||
| == 1948 Lebanon == | |||
| Were the kibbutz, that were filled with people who were "not by early training agriculturists", a success? One also wonders how the watchmakers and silversmiths who had only just been taught which end of a spade goes into the ground are going to bring the most modern and up to date farming practises into Palestine. | |||
| I do this asap. ] (]) 06:54, 26 March 2009 (UTC) | |||
| :In the meantime, . ] (]) 09:23, 26 March 2009 (UTC) | |||
| ::Hi, . :-) ] (]) 10:21, 26 March 2009 (UTC) | |||
| We can always "ask the expert" | |||
| ;Some excerpts of ''Morris (2008)'' concering the Lebanese army involvment | |||
| * p.194 : ", The Lebanese army its point units from Ras al-Naqurah to the central and eastern sectors of south Lebanon - though with defense, not offense, in mind." | |||
| * p.205 : " one should add some two thousand Lebanese army troops, who applied pressure on, and posed a constant threat along, the northern border, pinning down Haganah troops (...)." | |||
| * p.257 : " was probably coordinated with the Lebanese army, which on 5 June surprised and attacked the small Jewish garrison at al-Malikiya and overwhelmed it (the village had been taken in a commando style attack by the Palmah on the night of 28-29 May). (...) The Lebanese success at al-Malikiya marked their only real participation in the war and gave Beirut cover against accusations of indifference to the fact of Palestine". | |||
| * pp.258-259 are worth reading and go deed into details about the motivations for no participating to the war. | |||
| * p.259 : "Lebanon decided to deploy its army defensively. But to cover itself politically, in the inter-Arab arena, it also agreed to serve as a base for a small ALA "invasion" of Palestine and to provide that force with covering artillery fire, a handful of armored cars, "volunters", and logical support." | |||
| ] (]) 10:01, 28 March 2009 (UTC) | |||
| Immigration initially entails the obsolescence of skills acquired in the country of origin. The process of economic absorption involves learning the host country’s language, other specific skills of living, and on-the-job acquisition of skills. Mass immigration was associated with decline not only in level of education but also in the level of country specific skills. | |||
| == Barnstar - You deserve it == | |||
| Yoram Ben-Porath (1986) The Israeli economy: maturing through crises Publisher Harvard University Press, {{ISBN|0674468783}} p 32 | |||
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| Experts' opinion as to completion of establishment. On page 40 of their Report the Experts wrote as follows : | |||
| == prince abdullah? == | |||
| " . . . . that no expenditure for planting new colonies should be made unless the development of existing colonies has been completed, or the money required for their full development has been provided. The amount required for this will absorb the probable normal income of the Colonisation Department for several years to come. Delay in providing settlers with needed equipment and improvements is now causing serious losses and disappointments. It is lowering the efficiency of the settlers, it is the cause of large deficits, even in the older colonies, and is placing on the Zionist Organisation, rather than on the settlers, the responsibility for making the colonies self-sustaining . . . . " | |||
| Who is this prince? is in under paris accord etc i believe. | |||
| And this is in 1930 when the JFN Zionist Kibbutz were still not financially viable, the returns to the government in taxes were still less than that paid by the supposedly "backward" Palestinian farmers who had previously worked the same land. | |||
| On 29 March 1921, the British reached a political settlement with Prince Abdullah calling for the establishment of the first unified national government in Trans-Jordan, over which he would preside, with participation by members of the Independence Party. ] (]) 01:07, 30 March 2009 (UTC) | |||
| Funny, how reading the actual documents that Joan Peters and Deshowitz refer to, you form a completely different picture to theirs. The Hope Simpson report agrees more with Shapira and Gershon's findings. Shapira and Gershon are both Zionists to the core by the way and not even called "self hating Jews". | |||
| == Bethlehem == | |||
| Would someone please try to explain how poor Jewish failing farms, who couldn't pay their own way and employed Jewish only labour, could possibly be a magnet for Palestinian Arabs? Because, to me, portraying 59 families of Kfar Yeheskiel, who were only just self supporting in a modified sense, as being an "Arab" magnate is preposterous. | |||
| I'll try to get a better source too. Thanks for the congrats and only if you like... ;) --] (]) 01:15, 30 March 2009 (UTC) | |||
| HEALTH. | |||
| == Greeks == | |||
| At the time of the Occupation Palestine was a country saturated with malaria. Since that time much good work has been done, not only by agencies of the country, but also with the help of outside scientific enquirers. The Rockefeller Foundation, the League of Nations, the Jewish Joint Distribution Committee have all rendered invaluable assistance in investigation, in research and in advice. Very much has been done in the drainage of swamps and marshes, in great part by Jewish agency and in great part by the Government. The Supreme Moslem Council has also taken a share, and its work in the drainage of the extensive and very malarial swamp at Wadi Rubin, under the advice of representatives of the Rockefeller Foundation, has been a complete success. A similar work of even greater magnitude which is now nearing completion is the drainage of the Kabbara Swamp by the P.I.C.A. The Zionist Agency was responsible, among other works, for the drainage of considerable areas in the Vale of Esdraelon. The Government Department of Health revolutionised certain areas of the Jordan Valley at comparatively small cost, by draining of marshes. | |||
| Hi. Greek, in Modern Greek, is "Ellīniká", thus the "el". Ancient Greek would be "grc". Here is a handy list of language codes: ] <-- two letter codes that are preferred if they exist, ], ] which includes dead languages. Thanks. -- ] (]) 14:29, 30 March 2009 (UTC) | |||
| == deleted article == | |||
| It is the good fortune of the Government that Jewish organisations provide such an effective service for their own people. It would be impracticable for the Government to supply anything on a similar scale with the funds at its disposal. In its report* for the year 1928 on the administration of Palestine, submitted to the Council of the League, His Majesty's Government wrote the following : " It has been the policy of Government to rely as far as possible on private and Municipal Hospitals and Dispensaries to furnish general medical relief to the population, and to devote Government funds to such services as isolation hospitals for serious infectious diseases, special clinics for trachoma and epidemic ophthalmia, the treatment of the endemic syphilis which exists in many of the villages and of malaria in rural areas. For certain sections of the population, however, such as the Beduin tribes, which would otherwise lack medical attention altogether, Government establish special clinics, and circumstances arise from time to time in which assistance to voluntary organisation for general assistance is necessary." | |||
| where could we get a copy of the article that was deleted? thanks in advance. ] (]) 15:52, 30 March 2009 (UTC) | |||
| :try (?) --] (]) 01:30, 31 March 2009 (UTC) | |||
| ::Thanks for the tip. --] (]) 19:45, 31 March 2009 (UTC) | |||
| :::Your welcome. :P Thanks compadre. ] (]) 20:26, 31 March 2009 (UTC) | |||
| Could the British government setting up isolation hospitals for serious infectious diseases have more to do with population increase than any failing Jewish kibbutz? Zionist rhetoric fails at even a cursory inspection. As Yoshua Porath remarked the rhetoric of the early Zionists is extremist and that no reputable academic would touch it with a barge pole. The Jewish settlements were impoverished subsistence farms and required large injections of cash. | |||
| Um Ashley, reasons to put a POV tag on article named 2008-2009 Israeli-Palestinian Conflict? thanks in advance. ] (]) 20:26, 31 March 2009 (UTC) | |||
| Benefits to the indigenous Palestinian Arab population? | |||
| == Blocked == | |||
| The plain fact is that the interests of the 850 bona fide citizens permanently settled are not at all taken into account in this concession, the benefits of which are exclusively limited to the JCA. Gregory Blue, Martin P. Bunton and Ralph C. Croizier (2002) Colonialism and the modern world: selected studies Publisher M.E. Sharpe, {{ISBN|0765607727}} p 149 | |||
| Your account has been blocked for one year per ] and incident discussion. You may appeal per the process described at ]. ] <sup>]</sup> 13:39, 1 April 2009 (UTC) | |||
| For ] on ] the regurgitation of J Peters and Dershowitz copies of early Zionist rhetoric is probably why you found the article as highly POV. The truth of the Kibbutz economy is that achieved profitability only after the 1980s when many were "privatised", the degree of self support(let alone profitability) was only achieved by adopting Palestinian Arab methods of citiculture.] (]) 00:44, 22 October 2009 (UTC) | |||
| How very expected....I would just like you to know that wiki is known within the I/P conflict debating fraternity that wiki is known as an extremist site full of, not controversial factoids, but blatant none-facts posing as a perverted reality. It is over such points that wiki is banned from use in academic establishments...the ban is very much in keeping with established extremists bitching about having their version of history being challenged...May I humbly suggest that some day someone gets around to looking in a book or two and removing the tripe that some wiki editors presents as established facts...and may I also humbly suggest someone takes a look at the old articles that have been produced by the extremist element of the I/P conflict and remove those that are not suitable for those of a tender disposition (all those under the age of 60 and not Nazis)....NB. The sock puppet issue was a dubious call and from my position of knowledge of facts on the matter incorrect.... | |||
| A strange reference: | |||
| Do I think wiki will evolve into a useful medium for a repository of general knowledge.....eventually but it will be a hard time for any of those who are academically inclined...the first influx of academics was driven off by the drivel element who considered that consensus=fact. Sorry to be the one to break this to you but it doesn't...it's only an indication of who has the most activists on wiki at that time.... ] (]) 14:10, 1 April 2009 (UTC) | |||
| According to ], 50,000 Arabs immigrated to Palestine from the neighboring lands between 1919 and 1939 "attracted by the improving agricultural conditions and growing job opportunities, most of them created by the Jews".ref. Gilbert, 2005, p. 16. | |||
| well what was done to Nishidani is beyond belief...I enjoyed his jocularity (sorely missed already) it appears that Jehochman is either blinded by his wiki power of authority (in the real world he has none) or just hostile to any user who does not share his opinions...this would be an indication of why wiki is only used by extremists in search of verification of their own positions....] (]) 14:40, 1 April 2009 (UTC) | |||
| :Ashley, | |||
| :Maybe Jeochman is this or that | |||
| :BUT | |||
| :you are really tiring by your attitude of continuoulsy attacking other editors. | |||
| :That is even more stupid than, on the History of the I-P conflict, you was 95% right for what concern the content issue but 100% wrong with your continuous personnal attacks, as well as on the incident with Ynhockey. | |||
| :What occurs to Nishidani is mainly your responsibility (and caused by his ''Don Quichotte'' behaviour) even if it is not a drama. Misplaced Pages cannot suffer by the absence of anybody during one week. | |||
| :You can bring a lot to wikipedia and to the neutralisation of its articles concerning the I-P conflict but the way you discuss with other people must change. Definitively. | |||
| :] (]) 20:11, 1 April 2009 (UTC) | |||
| erh. Gilbert wrote Churchill and America in 2005. So why that ref? ] (]) 22:49, 18 December 2009 (UTC) | |||
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| Nothing on page 16 of Gilbert (2005) says anything of Palestinian demographics. ] (]) 22:57, 18 December 2009 (UTC) | |||
| ==2 Tier Israeli Justice== | |||
| PS...If you need book references or coords leave a note here or on your talk pages....because I have plenty of time for reading...] (]) 20:10, 1 April 2009 (UTC) | |||
| It has been noted that a dual legal system is in operation in the Occupied Palestinian Territories. <ref> | |||
| * By Jonathan Berger Published Ha’aretz 25 July 2008. | |||
| "Our recommendations are not at all unreasonable," she says. "They are basic measures, including raising the age of majority for Palestinian children from 16 to 18, in line with Israeli domestic legislation. We also call for an end to administrative detention for under-18s, and that all interrogations of those under 18 in Israel and the OPT are conducted in the presence of a lawyer and relative of the detainee, and that the interview is video-recorded." | |||
| * by Seth Freedman Published Guardian 27 February 2009 | |||
| *The tribunals regard minors as Palestinians aged 16 or under. In Israel's civil courts minors are young people under the age of 18. | |||
| Published BBC</ref> | |||
| The Special Committee to Investigate Israeli Practices affecting the Human Rights of the Population of the Occupied Territories report states that there is a "marked double standard of justice' in the occupied territories, "one aimed at the civilian Arab population characterized by its harshness and arbitrariness, and another aimed at the Israeli settlers characterized by connivance and permissiveness'. Recourse to judicial remedies by the civilian population, the report states, "has not provided any firm or long lasting safeguard of the interests of the civilian population. The judicial authorities appear to be completely subjected to the discretion vested in the military occupation authorities.'<ref name=UNCJan1984/> | |||
| Israel has set up a parallel set of legal regimes where Palestinians are controlled under IDF military directives and pre-1967 Jordanian law, while the settlers are covered by the "Emergency Regulations (Offenses in the Occupied Territories - Jurisdiction and Legal Assistance), 5727-1967". Palestinians are tried in military courts where guarantees of civil rights are absent in the military justice system.<ref> Elihu Lauterpacht, Christopher J. Greenwood, A. G. Oppenheimer, Karen Lee (2008) International Law Reports Cambridge University Press, {{ISBN|0521879221}}, Public Committee against Torture in Israel and Others v State of Israel, General Security Services and Others (HCJ 5100/94 HCJ 4054/95 HCJ 5188/96 HCJ 7563/97 HCJ 7628/97 and HCJ 1043/99) pp 283-331 Marab and Others v Israel Defence Force commander in the West Bank and another (HCJ 3239/02) pp 331-364</ref> Settlers in the Occupied Territories live in areas that are subject to military rule and although the settlements have not been formally annexed, Israel has applied a substantial part of Israeli law to the settlers. As a result, Israeli civilians living in the Occupied Territories are not subject to military or local law but are prosecuted in Israeli civilian courts and are guaranteed civil rights under Israeli civil law.<ref></ref> By being subject to the Israeli judicial system, settlers enjoy liberties and legal guarantees that are denied Palestinian defendants in the Occupied Territories charged with similar offenses. The authority to arrest an individual, the maximum detention before being brought before a judge, the right to meet with an attorney, the protections available to defendants at the trial, the maximum punishment allowed by law, and the release of prisoners before completion of sentence - all of these differ greatly in the dual Legal systems. | |||
| Settlers enjoy rights that Palestinians are denied.<ref> * WEST BANK MASSACRE; Israel Frees More Prisoners, But Arabs Are Not Mollified By Alan Cowell, Published: Friday, March 4, 1994 | |||
| * EU condemns settler 'acts of brutality' against Palestinians 31 October 2008 | |||
| Public Security Minister Avi Dichter said that about one-tenth of Israel's total police force is already in the West Bank, and that it is impossible to transfer additional forces there, other than temporarily for specific missions. He also said that lenient sentencing by the courts deters the police from pursuing indictments "even when they have a suspect in hand." | |||
| * Settlers preparing for war, says Shin Bet chief By Aluf Benn, 3 November 2008. | |||
| *"The Karp Report bears out the initial suspicion that a systematic miscarriage of justice is being perpetrated in the West Bank. Jewish settlers, wishing to assert their rights to the area, take the law into their own hands and refuse...to cooperate in police investigations...The police, deferring to the army, fail to stand on their own rights, and the army tends to look benignly on those it views as its soldiers. The result...is that files are closed without anyone being booked." Jerusalem Post Editorial Twenty month cover-up 9 February 1984 | |||
| Baylis Thomas (1999) How Israel was won: a concise history of the Arab-Israeli conflict Lexington Books, {{ISBN|0739100645}} p 234</ref> | |||
| The Special Committee pointed out that the Karp Report, dealing with the acts of violence of Israeli settlers and their impunity, was illustrative of the problem. Mrs. Yehudit Karp, Deputy-Attorney General of Israel, resigned from her post as Chairman of a committee of the Israeli Ministry of Justice established to investigate "anti-Arab vigilantism' by the Jewish settlers in the West Bank. The reason for her resignation was reported to be the absence of any action on the recommendations made by her committee.<ref name=UNCJan1984>, January 1984 reporting on dated 14 October 1983</ref> | |||
| <ref>The territory, near Latrun, was never annexed (unlike East Jerusalem and the Golan Heights). The judge's decision implies Israeli law applies to several Palestinian villages east of the 1967 border, as well as applying to Israelis living in the disputed territory. The decision of the Ramle judge, that the application of the law is territorial, means that Israel could confiscate land belonging to Palestinians who used to reside in the area and are now refugees, in accordance with the Absentee Properties Law. | |||
| The judge was giving an intermediate decision in a lawsuit over a plot of land near Shilat. He said that since Israel operates full sovereign authority in the disputed territory despite avoiding publicly announcing its annexation, it should be considered as Israeli territory. "There is, therefore, no need of an explicit enactment of Israeli law over that territory," the judge wrote. | |||
| By Akiva Eldar, Israel News</ref> | |||
| ===Employment Law=== | |||
| Ma'aleh Adumim is considered by the Israeli government to be an Israeli city except when Palestinian labour is employed by the city.<ref></ref> | |||
| ===Segregation=== | |||
| By relegating power to local councils racist segregation legislation is avoided, while maintaining racial segregation in Israeli communities.<ref>Apartheid by Bye Laws | |||
| *Mêrôn Benveniśtî (2007) Son of the cypresses: memories, reflections, and regrets from a political life Publisher University of California Press, {{ISBN|0520238257}} p 169 | |||
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| * Published Ha'aretz 22 December 2009</ref> | |||
| ===ref=== | |||
| {{Reflist}} | |||
| Raphael Cohen confessed that he held one of the protestors in place, dragged him violently, slapped him, and pulled him by his underwear. The evacuation of the outpost, which was near the settlement of Hashmonaim, took place two years ago. | |||
| in stark contrast to:- | |||
| In addition to its decision on outposts, the cabinet ordered a ministerial committee headed by Defense Minister Ehud Barak to submit recommendations within two weeks on how to tighten law enforcement, including by taking action against civil servants who facilitate illegal outpost construction. | |||
| Most of the meeting, however, was devoted to ministerial tirades against violent settlers and attempts by security and law enforcement agencies to pass blame. | |||
| Public Security Minister Avi Dichter said that about one-tenth of Israel's total police force is already in the West Bank, and that it is impossible to transfer additional forces there, other than temporarily for specific missions. He also said that lenient sentencing by the courts deters the police from pursuing indictments "even when they have a suspect in hand." | |||
| == Language used in IP conflict == | |||
| tautology:- | |||
| This particular Israeli Government document is laughably insane:- | |||
| 2. Implementation of the Agreements during the Period 1995-2008 – Review | |||
| As stated, the JWC is charged with implementation of the Water Agreement. This committee has been working for the past 13 years almost without interruption, even during difficult periods of security problems. The committee meets on a regular basis and approves the construction and development of water supply and sewage installations throughout the West Bank. A scrutiny of the minutes of the committee's meetings shows that the committee approved nearly all the projects that were submitted for its approval, even beyond the obligatory ones included in the Water Agreement. The few projects that were not approved were those that were not in accordance with the Water Agreement, relating mostly to the drilling of new Palestinian wells in the northern and western basins of the Mountain Aquifer. Some of the projects, including the drilling of water wells, have not yet been executed by the Palestinians because of their orders of priority regarding the utilization of funds from donor countries. | |||
| notice, one the use of "West Bank" and not "Judea and Samaria", two the rubber stamping of Jewish Israeli settlement water projects along side the denial of Palestinian water projects. A wonderful use of propaganda techniques used by the Israeli Government, the Israeli squatters in the West Bank have become, for water use issues, Palestinians. | |||
| Residents of the settlement of Shvut Rachel clashed with Palestinians picking olives in the northern West Bank on Tuesday, after the settlers held a march to protest the "security threat" posed by the harvest. | |||
| The settlers, who were joined by residents of nearby illegal outposts, said the Palestinian harvesters were a threat because could gather intelligence and launch attacks from the olive groves. | |||
| "If they harvest near us, then we'll be near them," one of the settlers said as they headed out for the march. | |||
| In any democratic country this would be described as an attack by ultra Nationalist and religious fanatics on crop pickers, in the Israeli press its a clash between Settlers and Palestinian. | |||
| ===Which came first the chicken or the egg=== | |||
| In the first incident of the new year. Under the cover of darkness on the early morning of Tuesday 15 January 2008 in a cross border raid an elite unit of the Israeli IDFs Golani Brigade entered the neighborhoods of Saajiye and Zeitoun in Gaza City, and was opposed by Hamas fighters. In the ensuing firefight 19 Palestinians were killed. | |||
| At first light, Palestinian gunmen were seen in the area and they were attacked by the IDF unit, resulting in a gun battle that lasted most of the day. | |||
| At approximately 8:30 A.M., the air force targeted a vehicle moving in the area of the fighting with five gunmen. At about 9 A.M., the air force attacked another group of Palestinians preparing to fire mortars at the IDF troops in the area. | |||
| At 9:45, a Palestinian sniper shot and killed a volunteer from Ecuador who was working in a potato field near Kibbutz Ein Hashlosha. | |||
| and what did the IDF military spokesperson say:- | |||
| "The same sources said that, at this stage, the Israel Defense Forces and the Shin Bet do not consider the senior figures in Hamas as targets, and stressed that the Hamas militants killed Tuesday lost their lives in fighting with IDF forces or because they had been targeted while they tried to launch rocket and mortar attacks against Israeli towns." | |||
| I suppose the universal right of self defence (which Palestinians also have) never ever crossed the IDF spokes-person's tiny mind or that the rockets and snipping incident only occurred after the IDFs raid? | |||
| == Incorrect usage of the term Palestinian. == | |||
| when referring to Ashkenazic Jews in Europe was to distinguish none assimilationists from assimilationists and had nothing what so ever to do with living in Palestine and had everything to do with the wider debate within Ashkenazic society on whether to assimilate or retain the “old eastern ways”. | |||
| ==Water== | |||
| The news editor knows, for example, that there are around 300,000 settlers and not 450,000 (if only there were) - guzzling rogues that they are of the Palestinians' water (some may say the blood). The motive for the Israeli media's extensive coverage of lies that besmirch their country is not very different from the motive of the foreign organizations themselves: undermining Israel's moral standing in its own eyes and those of the world. | |||
| Issy is absolutely correct there are not 450,000 settlers in the West bank, there are 470,000 squatters. | |||
| Links that should be included within ]:- ] and ] | |||
| ==Maps and Israel?== | |||
| Now what is the normal Israeli complaint about Palestinian maps? | |||
| I wonder where the green line is? I wonder if Jpost knows where the international boundary between Syria and Israel is? | |||
| Hello, you made some edits on maps of Israel including on the page about ]. I noticed from here that the site where ] came to set up his tents to camp would be on the Western side of Death Sea. There are many evidences that Sodom was on this place in Sound of Arad including a Ziggurat near Mount S'dom. However is placing Sodom, Gomorrah and most important Zoar that we can use as reference on the Easter place. On this place there are at least seven green plains along small affluence suitable for pasture. This should be taken in consideration or the director of Biblos most be contacted to fix his map. Best Regards. --] (]) 17:19, 17 February 2011 (UTC) | |||
| ==What's the difference between J Street and AIPAC?== | |||
| An Israeli friend, with whom I had both debated and worked during the 90s, commented on this Arab presence. She remarked that it was ironic that J Street was being attacked by hardliners because a few Arab Americans had contributed to the group, and some Arabs attended their function, at the very moment when these same hardliners are saying that the Arab world must reach out and declare their interest in peace. They say, she went on, "we have no partners" but here are the partners, and yet they criticize us. I think, she concluded, they don't want partners. | |||
| pause for thought...Hmm. | |||
| ==IDF logic== | |||
| Being born Bedouin means that your security clearance is not high enough to be a real Israeli but being born in a foreign country can make a real Israeli. | |||
| == Truth Lies and ADL Director Abraham H Foxman == | |||
| Abraham H.Foxman, ADL’s national director, declared; In a letter to Ann M. Veneman, Executive Director of UNICEF, the ADL questioned the decision and its timing, noting that "the fund has a history of accepting aid from other questionable partners, including the International Islamic Relief Organization, which was designated as a terrorist organization by the US because of its links to Al Qaeda." | |||
| Not quite the truth Mr Foxman. How can we tell? Easy go to the US Treasury Department web site. | |||
| International Islamic Relief Organization-related Designations: | |||
| The U.S. Department of the Treasury today designated the Philippine and Indonesian branch offices of the Saudi-based International Islamic Relief Organization (IIRO) for facilitating fundraising for al Qaida and affiliated terrorist groups. Treasury additionally designated Abd Al Hamid Sulaiman Al-Mujil, the Executive Director of the Eastern Province Branch of IIRO in the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia. | |||
| And it also helps if you read books. | |||
| Jeanne K. Giraldo, Harold A. Trinkunas (2007) Terrorism financing and state responses: a comparative perspective Publisher Stanford University Press, {{ISBN|0804755663}} pp 119-120 | |||
| Sorry but 2 people and two branches does not make the other 18 US designated terrorist organisations. | |||
| The IIRO was established in 1978 and, according to its website, the organization has branch offices in over 20 countries in Africa, Europe, Asia, and the Middle East. | |||
| Does this mean that ADL should be downgraded to none RS? | |||
| ==Economic pressure within the DMZ to pressure and evict Palestinians== | |||
| Morris (2004) p 513. for water in Jordan basin (the bit that J removed to be reinserted) ] (]) 13:44, 5 November 2009 (UTC) | |||
| == Donalsville louisiana == | |||
| secular use of religious establishments. | |||
| William Frankel (1988) Survey of Jewish affairs Publisher Fairleigh Dickinson Univ Press, {{ISBN|0838633439}} p 157 | |||
| ] Pappé, Ilan, (reprint 2007) The ethnic cleansing of Palestine, Oneworld Publications Limited, {{ISBN|978-1-85168-467-0}} p 219 | |||
| ] Morvedre towns main mosque converted into the church of Sant Maria, ref Mark D. Meyerson (2004) Jews in an Iberian frontier kingdom: society, economy, and politics in Morvedre, 1248-1391 Publisher BRILL, {{ISBN|9004137394}} p 30 | |||
| == Trash article ] == | |||
| How can you tell it's trash...because the second sentence Likud says..Since when was Likud an authentic spokesperson for palestinian views? had it been in a separate section of world views of Palestinians views. | |||
| == Syrian wine for those who think it's all about Israel. == | |||
| Many do not associate wine with Syria because it's mostly desert and it's a Muslim country. However, 10% of the population is Christian (Greek Orthodox, Armenian, Catholic, Maronite) and therefore does not see alcohol as prohibited. Syrian wine is produced in Aleppo, Cortas, St. Simeon, Cuvee Speciale, NV, and Homs. It was an important Roman and Byzantine province and, later, was crisscrossed by caravans on the Silk Route from China. The Syria vines used for Madeira, Orange Muscat. | |||
| James Halliday (2006) Wine Atlas of Australia Publisher University of California Press, {{ISBN|0520250311}}, p 302 | |||
| John Adlum (1823) A memoir on the cultivation of the vine in America, and the best mode of making wine Publisher Printed by Davis and Force, 1823 p 141 | |||
| Syria has a long and illustrious past in viticulture and associated wine making. | |||
| Andrew Dalby (2000) Empire of pleasures: luxury and indulgence in the Roman world Publisher Routledge, {{ISBN|0415186242}} p 168-169 | |||
| Merton Sandler and Roger Pinder (2003) Wine: a scientific exploration Publisher CRC Press, {{ISBN|0415247349}} p 58 | |||
| Henri Pirenne (2001) Mohammed and Charlemagne Publisher Courier Dover Publications, {{ISBN|0486420116}} p 88 | |||
| Patrick E. McGovern (2003) Ancient wine: the search for the origins of viniculture Publisher Princeton University Press, {{ISBN|0691070806}} p 183 | |||
| Charles Philip Issawi (1988) The Fertile Crescent, 1800-1914: a documentary economic history Publisher Oxford University Press US, p 65-66 | |||
| volume of production Red wine 594000 gallons White wine 105600 " Sweet wine 145200 " Arrack 6864 (they ain't gonna like this ref) ref:Arthur Ruppin, Nellie Straus (1918) Syria: an economic survey Publisher The Provisional Zionist committee, p 63,end ref | |||
| At the turn of the 20th century the area of Homs contained many vineyards. ref Henry Frederick Lutz (1922) Viticulture and brewing in the ancient orient Publisher J.C. Hinrich, p 32 | |||
| Modern wineries in Syria | |||
| , Lattakia wiki article ], unfortunately nobody has put it in Cat:Syrian wines | |||
| The viticulture regions of Syria are Aleppo and Homs. | |||
| Caroline Camarra (1990) The world of wine Publisher Mallard Press, {{ISBN|0792452313}} p 249 | |||
| What does Cyprus say about Syrian wine? says:- | |||
| There is much evidence to suggest that the country which had the greatest wine industry for the longest period was Syria, from around 3,000 BC or before, until about 1000 AD, when Islam held sway and banned the production of alcohol. | |||
| According to 2008 statistics, 63% of grape production is consumed as fresh fruit, 8% is used for raisins, 12% for molasses, and 17% for drinks. | |||
| SWEDEN on wine made in occupied Syria Published Ha'aretz 8 June 2006 | |||
| The economist on Golan heights:- full article accessible at | |||
| == ] == | |||
| Has an interesting hypothesis. A wee bit extreme and hardly likely to bring peace but:- | |||
| ==]== | |||
| . present coords for the article are for the building with the circular roof. A more accurate position is 31° 08' 33.20" N 97° 47' 46.90" W | |||
| == Tomb of Lazarus == | |||
| ]. 31° 46' 17.95" N 35° 15' 22.65" E..The present coords are for the town of ]...] (]) 12:53, 10 November 2009 (UTC) | |||
| == ], Tulkarem == | |||
| Hi Ash; hope you are doing ok? Anyway, a question: back in ancient times you added to ]. Now, I have an earlier version (the 2004-book) of Morris than you do, but mine say "Not know" under date & depop.cause. Sooo...did Morris "update" his book...or... ;) Cheers, ] (]) 22:46, 18 November 2009 (UTC) | |||
| I've found that Morris is economical with the truth. What he writes at the front is not what he writes in between the pages....On page 129 Morris states (quote) Umm Khalid east of Netanya was evacuated out of fear on 20 March(unquote) , note 517; 'Hiram to HIS-AD, 21 May 1948, HA\105\92 bet....] (]) 21:50, 20 November 2009 (UTC) | |||
| :note, the coast strip was mainly inhabited by coastal "Marsh Bedouin", who in general had a reasonable relationship with Jewish settlers and interacted with the PICA programme rather than with the KIbbutz movement. The Marsh Bedouin mostly had rights of use to the land originating from the Ottoman period. When the land use was transferred (generally not sold on the coast, Natanya was a long lease, by Firman) the Bedouin were compensated, although in many cases they had to fight for compensation...] (]) 22:06, 20 November 2009 (UTC) | |||
| ::ps. I'd love to see an article on ]. Their life style was in transition from nomadic to sedentary. The "Tent villages" and temporary structures were were moving over to permanent structures. The area from Gaza to Haifa. There was also the Huela Lake Marsh Bedouin, there's quite a bit written about the Heula lake Marsh Bedouin unfortunately the coastal Marsh Bedouin only appear as a postscript to court records...] (]) 22:16, 20 November 2009 (UTC) | |||
| == One World Publications == | |||
| Reinstate NoCal100's removal of a usable link. ] (]) 09:26, 16 December 2009 (UTC) | |||
| == Happy New Year to one and all == | |||
| Happy New Year to one and all.] (]) 12:42, 1 January 2010 (UTC) | |||
| :And all the best for a serene and productive NY to you yourself, Ashley. Best ] (]) 11:31, 1 January 2010 (UTC) | |||
| Nice to hear from you Nishidani. May you also have a good year.] (]) 12:42, 1 January 2010 (UTC) | |||
| ::When does your suspension expire?] (]) 14:30, 1 January 2010 (UTC) | |||
| April.1st of.] (]) 14:34, 1 January 2010 (UTC) | |||
| ::Well good luck, though the date makes one laugh. You obviously have the patience to look to the long term, since you'll have served a one year sentence by that date. Edit coolly, watch the style of exemplary editors, like Nableezy. ''Le style, c'est l'homlette, ou l'Hamlet'' etc. Cheers and best wishes.] (]) 17:31, 1 January 2010 (UTC) | |||
| I've always had patience Nishi. I also found the date apposite. Best wishes to you too Nishi ] (]) 18:55, 1 January 2010 (UTC) | |||
| :Happy New Year Ashley (and Nishidani). I will be looking forward to April Fool's Day. ]<sup>]</sup> 18:58, 1 January 2010 (UTC) | |||
| ::Happy New Year you three :-) ] (]) 19:04, 1 January 2010 (UTC) | |||
| :::To you too, Ceedjee. ]<sup>]</sup> 19:09, 1 January 2010 (UTC) | |||
| Hi Ceedjee, popped out from French wiki I see. Have a great New Year. Hi Tiamut best wishes, send my regards to Huldra please.] (]) 19:50, 1 January 2010 (UTC) | |||
| :Thanks Ashley. You can always email Huldra, her account is enabled. I haven't been in touch with her recently. As I understand it, she broke her arm and is not typing these days much. In fact, I should send her some new year greetings and check in to see how she is doing. Best to you too. ]<sup>]</sup> 19:54, 1 January 2010 (UTC) | |||
| Sorry to hear that about Huldra.. As you say Emails good...] (]) 20:37, 1 January 2010 (UTC) | |||
| :Since all the best editors seem to be hanging around here, may I too wish you all a very good and wiki-productive Happy New Year. Roll on April 1st! --] (]) 20:50, 1 January 2010 (UTC) | |||
| ::So sweet NSH001. Happy New Year to you too. ]<sup>]</sup> 21:06, 1 January 2010 (UTC) | |||
| :: Add my best wishes to that NSH001..] (]) 22:31, 1 January 2010 (UTC) | |||
| == A Name to watch out for in 2010 Richard Maize == | |||
| Richard Maize is an absolutely fascinating character. | |||
| From fraudster:- | |||
| http://losangeles.fbi.gov/dojpressrel/pressrel07/la052507usa.htm Department of Justice LA | |||
| to hasbarachik with allegedly international standing and allegedly powerful enough to stall a UN report:- | |||
| Israel Human Rights | |||
| The most recent endeavor Richard Maize has participated in is in reaction to a UN commissioned report that has been proven to be very biased against Israel. Although normally highly involved with international human rights issues, this report was so blatantly biased and slanderous that he decided to take part. He contributed money to create powerful websites to combat the lies of the UN report. Those websites were so persuasive that they were thought to have played a part in the UN Human Rights Commission delaying a discussion on the report. | |||
| http://richardmaizefoundation.wordpress.com/2009/10/10/mortgage-broker-richard-maize-defends-israel-and-supports-young-athletes-at-the-same-time/ | |||
| Real Estate Expert Richard Maize Mentors for the Jewish Federation of Greater Los Angeles' Real Estate and Construction Division's Young Leadership Development Institute. http://www.allbusiness.com/society-social/philanthropy-foundations/11808597-1.html | |||
| == so much for natural expansion == | |||
| ...] (]) 10:28, 7 January 2010 (UTC) | |||
| == New Articles 2010 == | |||
| The Project section '''New Articles''' need up dating and archiving with a '''New Articles 2010''' starting. It's not been updated since sept 2009.] (]) 03:53, 8 February 2010 (UTC) | |||
| == ] == | |||
| Ayman Taha was also co-founder of Hamas. | |||
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| == A sacred billboard == | |||
| A site so sacred it is being proposed to turn it into a billboard. | |||
| :You realize it's a joke? Or are you that gullible? LOL. ] (]) 17:10, 1 April 2010 (UTC) | |||
| You do also realise that I posted it on the 1st April....You've just been conned..April fool you...] (]) 18:10, 1 April 2010 (UTC) | |||
| :Convenient. ] (]) 20:27, 1 April 2010 (UTC) | |||
| You did not post it on . You posted it in early March. Conned indeed. ] (]) 11:41, 4 April 2010 (UTC) | |||
| Well I was blocked from editing until 1st April, that makes you either unable to read or are completely unaware of where it was posted.] (]) 21:41, 20 June 2010 (UTC) | |||
| == Time == | |||
| The wonderful thing is that time passes. The clock cannot be stopped. A week to go.] (]) 18:55, 25 March 2010 (UTC) | |||
| -Now, promise me you will be a good boy, yes? Note that: | |||
| *A) civility & rule-issues are taken much, much stricter now than it was just a year or two ago. Be warned. | |||
| *B) there are some serious good "new" players out there, you know, "new" editors, with zero block record, who somehow learn to file a correct 3RR violations report within their 50 first edits. Yeah, ], and all that. Sure. (Amoroso, ..haven´t seen him in while, he disappeared after an admin said his next block should be idef...:D ) These "new" players pretty much know *exactly* how far they can go. | |||
| *C) Work needed: I would absolutely *love* a commonscat for each of the 1948-villages...we could start with cut-out from the old maps....Hint, hint, hint! A bit boring, and routine, but much, much needed.... | |||
| *ok, 1 day, 14 hours in advance: welcome back! Cheers, ] (]) 22:43, 30 March 2010 (UTC) | |||
| At touch more than 14 hours to go. set to expire at 13.38 1st April. | |||
| I'm always civil. Merely forthright in my views.] (]) 22:35, 31 March 2010 (UTC) | |||
| Oh and I did mention the "Possibility of gaming post 30 august?" see section 18 above; due to hasbara symposiums being held in Jerusalem. All Israeli government subsidised.] (]) 22:58, 31 March 2010 (UTC) | |||
| :Well, being "forthright" will probably get you blocked again in no time around here now. Same with edit-warring; even Tiamut got blocked recently. Anyway, none of the above links in section 18 works...but this is a newer one: http://www.jpost.com/Israel/Article.aspx/?id=167613 Cheers, ] (]) 23:32, 31 March 2010 (UTC) | |||
| :::Mate, don't waste your time on attitude, being forthright. Be laidbackleft, so you spend less time being in porridge, or square-bashing, chum. Schemers have their profiles, figure out where the trip-wires can be laid, and if you like sprinting through a trap-ridden hazard course, they'll take you out in the first ten metres. Irony, self-irony. The play's the thing, it's not a real life scenario in here. Best ] (]) 07:14, 1 April 2010 (UTC) | |||
| ::::I'll only be adding verifiable facts,no more no less.] (]) 07:45, 1 April 2010 (UTC) | |||
| 20 mins to go.] (]) 13:20, 1 April 2010 (UTC) | |||
| :::A ticking bomb, the sapper turned jihadi! Watch out for them danged 'booby'-traps! Finest wishes for a good contributive year, mate.] (]) 13:41, 1 April 2010 (UTC) | |||
| We sappers are also taught how to defuse the booby traps. And Thanks for the note] (]) 13:44, 1 April 2010 (UTC) | |||
| :Welcome back Ashley kennedy3. I hope it was worth the wait. :) ]<sup>]</sup> 16:14, 1 April 2010 (UTC) | |||
| Thank you Tiamut. Only as I can edit I think I'll also post this on your page. ] (]) 16:15, 1 April 2010 (UTC) | |||
| == ] == | |||
| Ash; back in ancient times you wrote that ] is "South-east of Tulkarm." It is still in the article...and we have trouble with it. Please see the discussion here: ] (There are so many "Zaytas"...they get mixed up...) Cheers, ] (]) 04:25, 5 April 2010 (UTC) | |||
| == Sounds a lot == | |||
| quote: The Free Gaza group is just such a Leftist-Islamist alliance. Well, Gaza is already free. Israel withdrew from the narrow strip five years ago. And there is also no need for any humanitarian aid. Well over a million tons of humanitarian supplies entered Gaza from Israel over the last 18 months, equaling nearly a ton of aid for every man, woman and child in Gaza. unquote | |||
| http://gayandright.blogspot.com/2010/06/why-do-so-called-progressives-team-up.html | |||
| Only one problem with that, it turns out that is 1.8 kilos a day per man, woman and child in the Gaza Strip. And further when taking into account that the humanitarian aid allowed in by Israeli authorities included non food items you can understand why malnutrition (a nice way to say starvation) has increased to 10% of the population in the Gaza Strip.] (]) 14:35, 15 June 2010 (UTC) | |||
| :Gaza has one of the highest rates of obesity in the world. Damn those evil zionists and their insatiable hunger for Pali fois gras. | |||
| Obesity is a sign of poor using high carbohydrate foods to stock up energy. Obesity is the early stages of malnourishment..Check the US, obesity and low wages go hand in glove. ] (]) 08:24, 24 May 2012 (UTC) | |||
| :Get your UK troops and settlers out of Ireland before you worry about Palestine. <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 12:55, 29 February 2012 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> | |||
| ::Get your troops and settlers out of Palestine before you worry the rest of the world to death by boredom about Iran as an existential threat.] (]) 13:58, 29 February 2012 (UTC) | |||
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Thanks Huldra...Ashley kennedy3 (talk) 20:01, 1 April 2009 (UTC)
PS...If you need book references or coords leave a note here or on your talk pages....because I have plenty of time for reading...Ashley kennedy3 (talk) 20:10, 1 April 2009 (UTC)
- ok, I will. But Ashley dear; when will you learn that to edit in the I/P area on WP means that you MUST be able to wade through utter garbage without getting upset...or, if that is not possible, then at least not let "some" people see that you care....´cause then they go for the jugular. That´s the rules of the game (and game it is). I certainly hope to see you around before a year is gone...I wish you would keep to the pre-1948 stuff for a while: it is painfully lacking, and, unlike the newer stuff, it actually demands that you read books (-->iow: most POV-pushers won´t bother:) ). I´m reading Thomas Philipp: "Acre, The rise and fall of a Palestinian city. 1730-1830" at the moment, Extremely interesting! And I have just ordered Cohen, Amnon: "Population & Revenue in the Towns of Palestine in the Sixteenth Century" and Andrew Petersen "The Towns of Palestine Under Muslim Rule: Ad 600-1600". The history-section of the older major towns in Palestine/Israel are hopeless: we really should spend more time fixing that.... And I will, eventually, Huldra (talk) 20:38, 1 April 2009 (UTC)
I too have come across said book in my reading, Good for Napoleon, British gaining interest in Palestine....as you say interesting book...I keep forgetting that wiki consensus does not mean the consensus of what Historians have established as fact...Ashley kennedy3 (talk) 07:54, 2 April 2009 (UTC)
FYI
I've significantly expanded an article you created, Eyal Eisenberg, and nominated it for a DYK. Canadian Monkey (talk) 22:07, 3 April 2009 (UTC)
I couldn't understand how some pro-Israeli nana brain rubbed a red link to Eisenberg out saying that Eisenberg wasn't important enough for his own article. It was like wow somebody obviously knows very little about the I/P conflict.....Ashley kennedy3 (talk) 04:10, 4 April 2009 (UTC)
Problem about the general pro-Israeli racist tendencies in calling all non-Jews from Palestine Arabs...
As the Ottomans called the place Palestine (Arz-i Filistin) based on the revolt being carried out by the people of the area with a distinct regional quality, it does seem strange that Jac et al insist on the term Arab being applied.
Arz-i Filistin
Samih K. Farsoun, Christina E. Zacharia (1997) Palestine and the Palestinians Westview Press, ISBN 0813303400 p 55 (sub district) Jerusalem into an independent unit directly linked to Istanbul and referred to the historic territory (including the northern districts of Nablus, ‘Akka, and Galilee) as Arz-i Filistin reflected Palestine’s emergence as a single entity.
Various authors have described how Ottoman administrate boundaries, and European ambitions and inspirations in Palestine helped to shape the local inhabitants’ conception of the country. From 1874 onwards, the sanjaq of Jerusalem, including the districts of Jerusalem, Bethlehem, Hebron, Beersheeba, Gaza and Jaffa, was administered independently from any other Ottoman province, and as such was under the direct authority of Istanbul. In earlier times Jerusalem had briefly been the capital of a larger province with the name “Filistin,” which encompassed all of what is now Palestine, including Nablus, Haifa and the Galilee.
James P. Jankowski, I. Gershoni (1997) Rethinking nationalism in the Arab Middle East Columbia University Press, ISBN 0231106955 p 174
On Najib ‘Azuri writing on the need to expand the sanjak of Jerusalem and raising it to a Vilayet;
He had been sentenced to death for treason in absentia after his flight to France, where in 1905 he wrote the prophetic book reveil de la Nation Arabe, which predicted a momentous conflict between Zionism and Arab nationalism. His opposition to Zionism was undoubtedly one of the bases for his argument that Palestine should be a separate province, but it was clearly predicated on the assumption that there was such a thing as a “Land of Palestine”, an idea that must have been shared by readers of Sabah and Thamarat al-Funun.
James P. Jankowski, I. Gershoni (1997) Rethinking nationalism in the Arab Middle East Columbia University Press, ISBN 0231106955 p 174
Arz-i Filistin • During the 19th century, the "Ottoman Government employed the term Arz-i Filistin (the 'Land of Palestine') in official correspondence, meaning for all intents and purposes the area to the west of the River Jordan which became 'Palestine' under the British in 1922". Neville J. Mandel (1976) The Arabs and Zionism Before World War I University of California Press, ISBN 0520024664 p xx • Amongst the educated Arab public, Filastin was a common concept, referring either to the whole of Palestine or to the Jerusalem sanjaq alone, or just to the area around Ramle, referring to fatwas by two Hanafite Syrian jurists. Porath, Yehoshua, (1974) "The Emergence of the Palestinian-Arab National Movement 1918-1929", London, ISBN 0714629391 pp. 8-9
- Quite right, obvious to the well-read, but technically you've just shot your erudition in the foot by needlessly throwing around adjectives, and singling out a person.I don't know why you feel it necessary to ruin your corrections like this, since no one will cite the sources and many will jump at this to take you to Arbitration.
- What Jaakobou's personal views in real life may be, or yours or mine, are immaterial to what interests the encyclopedia, except when they intrude in a provocative way to disturb the equanimity of composition.
- In this particular case, he, like many, is following a cliché in a vein of Zionist polemical literature which aimed to deny a regional or subregional identity to the inchoate Palestinians in order, precisely at the same time, to justify Zionist claims to a peculiar ethnic Jewish attachment to the land. One had to play down any evidence for a peculiar national identity in Palestinians, because its existence would only undermine the claim that this was an empty land, with scattered groups not particularly attached to anywhere, who could be shifted out, or shunted aside for a nation, the Jewish people in diaspora, who had prior claims to it. The emphasis on the residents as Arabs (which the majority of Palestinians were not) made their identity so generic, their real roots could be implied as lying elsewhere. So, you should have focused on the bias, not the person prey to its clichés. I suggest you strike 'racist'. And return to mulling the point arbitrators want clarified. You're becoming one of the reasons why I want out: one cannot find enough people willing to forego, as I forgo, their intense convictions (mine are very close to Arnold Toynbee's, who on this was more radical than either of us, but better informed than both) and their personal intuitions on the meta-picture, in order to fix this shambles.Nishidani (talk) 06:44, 4 April 2009 (UTC)
Because it was Jaakobou who insisted on calling all non-Jews from Palestine Arabs and insisted on changing the title of an article to follow his views...But have now changed the title from particular to generic...Ashley kennedy3 (talk) 07:05, 4 April 2009 (UTC)
- As a general principle in life, it's useful to think of ourselves as a grab-bag of clichés, poured into our ears from cradletime onwards, apart from the sweet voices. Poets don't speak or think like us because their inner lives are spent capturing the sweet voices, even when they do so to address the rough, and even violent clichés. So, we hoi polloi, go round, learning, we think as often as not, that we are expressing 'our selves' when we are only sounding boards of the dissonant noises from the wide beyond of time, our childhood's and that of our ancestors and tradition. If chance encounters, usually people of weird nature or accrued and acquired discernment, but books also, come our way and begin to whisper in our ears an antiphony, then we begin to play off the intelligent voice they provide us with against the raspy vernacular of prejudice that is otherwise our deepest selfhood. The prophets and shamans do this, as do their modern avatars, the thinkers, psychoanalysts and critics. They know that they are not remonstrating with individuals, but with people under the collective spell of clichés which they confuse with their personal identity, when these assumptions, clichés and opinions are merely the jerry-rigged scaffolding of an impersonal, collective mode of thought(lessness)around what is an inner void lacking all individuality.
- Return to what I said. If you meet prejudice, (in others as in yourself) think of its content as impersonal, as some semi-individuated echo of some wider resonance, and vent your criticism against the principle it embodies, not the person who embodies it. Jaakobou or anyone else is not the problem: the pseudo-ideas that invest us are the problem. To do this is not only a matter of hewing to the requisite courtesies, but of stepping outside an area of confusion. Most people who are right in one context, since they talk from the cutting edges of knowledge, look, as time moves, provincial and biased, because while they manage to rebut an age-old untruth, they themselves, as the ground of historical perceptions shifts, do so from a perspective that is itself in good part caught up in the trammels of unwitting belief. Nishidani (talk) 07:29, 4 April 2009 (UTC)
I find it a bit of a nonsense to have to have a debate about a subject that a Lebanese writer, Najib ‘Azuri writing before 1905, didn't have to explain the concept to his readers in Sabah and Thamarat al-Funun. If the concept of Palestine as a distinct region was talked about prior to 1905 outside Palestine then that concept within Palestine was surely an entity way before that....That being the case why is this debate still ongoing over 100 years later on wiki?...Ashley kennedy3 (talk) 07:56, 4 April 2009 (UTC)
The reaction of the Palestinian Arabs to modern political Zionism drew upon all these pre-existing elements: religious attachment to what both Muslim and Christians believed was a holy land, the conception of Palestine as an administrative entity, the fear of external encroachment, and local patriotism. Before going into details of this reaction, it is worth stressing that these elements of attachment to Palestine all antedate the encounter with Zionism. It is necessary to point this out because of the common assertion that Palestinian identity was no more than a reaction to Zionism...James P. Jankowski, I. Gershoni (1997) Rethinking nationalism in the Arab Middle East Columbia University Press, ISBN 0231106955 P 175
- You know this area of the literature, not, apparently, the literature, on how a n(ational) identity is constructed. The discourse you are talking about is of an elite: nations are formed in the minds of elites, who engineer them, by indoctrination of a pot-pourri of regional, village, ethnic groups whose only attachment is to their livelihoods, their clans, their area. 'Against an enemy I am a Somali, against a Somali leader I defend my region, against my region's leader, I defend my clan leader, against my clan leader, I defend my family, against my family, I defend myself'.
- But you still don't get the point. The people who oppose sensible edits represent a collectivist cliché, not their own personal view. A view is only personal if it shows traces of individual reflection, and most of these counter-edits are just the recycling of clichés in a tired, outworn literature. You are now focused on the literature, but you started this thread focusing on the person whose lack of knowledge disputed your edit. That is an error incompatible with wiki procedures. I know this place is often a lunatic asylum, but we need doctors to heal doctored documentation, not graduates who object to the patients, instead of seeing their views as a symptom of a general malaise, which should be the object of the physician's care.
- You're an army man, with a military approach. Give me the coordinates, get me humint, I'm supplied with ammo (books). But the slightest glance at military history will tell you that a large number of battles and campaigns were futile in the first place. The whole tragic history of Palestine consists of leaders so blinded by an idea Zionism, they cannot see where their commitment, as the vision is executed and creates incrementally more problems that it solves, is leading them (an apocalypse or apartheid). Every sane person on earth knew that the Iraq invasion was sheer madness, driven by ignorant ideologues: the troops went in and shot anybody in their way. For them it was personal, but they were in the service of a mad idea they knew nothing about. If everyone had looked at the idea, instead of personalising this hysterically, there would never have been any war in the first place.Nishidani (talk) 08:32, 4 April 2009 (UTC)
- I note you've changed the header, and made a general point. The problem that drives both you and I up the wall is simply the use of outdated sources often of dubious provenance, in articles. Secondly, that there seems to be no guideline that, in obeisance to the encyclopedia's stated goal, privileges as a norm that where a conflict in sources exist, academic books are everywhere to be preferred to googled articles from POv sites, and where a conflict in sources exist, the modern cutting edge position should be accorded more weight than the older interpretations. If I am correct in this, then the non-provocative title would have read,'Problems in handling edits insisting that Palestinians are 'Arabs', where the best literature, as opposed to the older Zionist historiography, now accepts that Palestinians have acquired a distinct national identity.'
- Historically the core population was not regarded as 'Arab'. 'Arab' in ethnographic literature from the 17th to early 20th century was a term used almost exclusively of the Bedouin component. etc.Nishidani (talk) 08:54, 4 April 2009 (UTC)
Rather a long title that is in essence masking the racist nature of the older Zionist historiography in persistence of use of the term "Arab"...and basically terms Arab and Bedouin were indeed synonymous and have now been used as shorthand code for non-Bedouin to impart other meanings quite clearly intended in a racist manner...A method that has been used in many other racist endeavours...Ashley kennedy3 (talk) 09:41, 4 April 2009 (UTC)
- Zionists only took over the ethnophobic clichés from European racists, most of them anti-Semitic. Though I admit racism is, effectively, part of the core problem (but not as you frame it), many Zionists were not racists, as you know. The problem was, they were so prepossessed of the violence they were fleeing, they didn't really think deeply (except for great Zionists like Judah Magnes and Nahum Goldmann etc.) of the problem their refuge into a new simulacrum of their ancient nation was set to create, i.e., that it was premised upon repossessing a land already deeply dwelt in by another people. The problem was not, as often in Europe, racial, it was, and will ever be, spatial and demographic. Even in the autobiographies of people like Moshe Dayan, who was an ultra-Zionist, a close impartial reading does not yield up the impression he was a racist. He was, despite his 'idea' (Zionism), deeply at home in the kind of land, culture and world of the people he was dispossessing, and this is not quite what you find in the classic racist, some of whom, here, at times go ballistic about 'Arabs'. This was true of many of the old Yishuv's rabbis as well.
- Uri Avnery was a Zionist, as was Israel Shahak, or Zeev Sternhell even now. None of them had, or has, an ounce of racism in them. they way they thought or think is not represented by 95% of 'pro-Israeli' editors in the I/P area, but 'always distinguish'. A rabbi, with kippa, got into Gaza the other day, and danced with an imam, in the middle of a hustling crowd of Palestinians who crowded round to tell their stories, of whole families massacred. They'd been earlier to Sderot. Always look at the individual as complex, and fight the idea, not the person. I'm probably more of an extremist than you, since I am listed as a subversive, with a 5 year sentence hanging over my head for refusing, right at the beginning of my adult life, to even recognize a government's right to ask me to enlist in an army. My view on Zionism is that of Arnold Toynbee in the 12th vol. of his Study of History, which is unrelentingly negative. But that doesn't tempt me to edit in here against Zionists. It only pushes me to ignore them, and think of Palestinians, a people whom, as I said to Suicup, history (not only Zionism, since Arabs, European and Americans have major responsibilities for what happened) wiped its arse on. Nishidani (talk) 10:14, 4 April 2009 (UTC)
I agree that many Zionists are not aware of the racism that is inherent in some of their arguments but it is there nonetheless...certainly the likes of Uri Avnery Ilan Pappe and Zeev Sternhell have turned away from using many of the set clichés usually found in Zionist arguments but unfortunately those racist clichés have become conspicuous all over wiki...The promulgation of those clichés and racial stereotypes should have been ditched long ago...Ashley kennedy3 (talk) 10:33, 4 April 2009 (UTC)
- Many of the people in here have little knowledge of their country's history. They grew up, some as immigrants, in the 70s and 80s, and learnt to read everything in the light of bad reportage, total ignorance of the world beyond the Green line, and why Palestinian grievance against their country is as profoundly motivated as the old Zionists' grievance against the Christian world of Europe. They come, many with little knowledge of Jewish history or its extraordinary contribution to our common enlightenment, from Sephardi backgrounds still keen with resentment for Arab policy as it developed after 1948, or from Russia, where their links to Judaism were reduced to mere ethnic classification. The idea of being a 'Jew' they imbibed is highly politicized, Israelocentric, and influenced by the environment Likud introduced, a marginal extremism that, as in the US with the generation of morons who created the world's economic and geostrategic mess from the 80s onwards, managed to occupy the centre of discourse. It's like growing up in the US in a family where Limbaugh or Fox news is the major source for what a person comes to think is his personal opinion. It's extremely hard to talk to such people. They confuse their views with some national, patriotic vision of the real world, which happens to be, however an ideological straightjacket put on them as children. No sudden Arbcom dispensation is going to change this. The force of intelligent, stubborn editing to the best sources may, if it is shorn of temper, and polemics. It's a hard way to go, but that's the way it is, and if you want to do something about it, and eventually have your imput, as a serious editor with a secured reputation on restructuring, taken note of for revision, you'll just have to drop the inner irritation that shows in your outbursts. Most have learnt this, you just keep ignoring it (I understand why, but it's counter-productive).Nishidani (talk) 10:50, 4 April 2009 (UTC)
June 1. The undersigned ask for a review of AK's sanction
- A rapid decision, on a small point on wiki law, was made, regarding a trivial and contested act, in which he was accused of drive-by editing. He has without calling for administrative review sat out twice the length of one sanction imposed, that by Sandstein. Those who think the quality of his work invaluable for the I/P project ask that the year-long sanction be reviewed and scaled back drastically as wholly disproportionate to the contested infraction. The undersigned confirm their faith in his bona fides, and their belief that the infraction was and remains questionable.
Casual observer
By March 1949, a classified CIA report declared Palestine was a 'Long Range Disaster'. The Agency report read in part:
'The establishment of the State of Israel by force, with intimidation of the Arab governments by the US and USSR, with the cutting off of the British arms and ammunition (the Arabs only source of supply), with ample sources for Israel of munitions and finance, the Israeli battle victory is complete, but it has solved nothing.
If boundaries to an Israeli State, any boundaries, had been set and guaranteed by the Great Powers, peace might return to the area. On the contrary, we have actually a victorious state which is limited to no frontiers and which is determined that no narrow limits shall be set. The Near East is faced with the almost certain prospect of a profound and growing disturbance by Israel which may last for decades... ...Instead of restoring the boundaries of the province of Judea as they were in 70 A.D., the Israeli leaders now state freely though usually unofficially, their demand for an ever expanding empire. Their present possessions are regarded by them as only a beachead into the Arab and Muslim World – a large part of which they plan to exploit. They are not prepared to live off what the land will yield as the Arabs do... ...Alone among the Great Powers, Britain has been working on a plan to restore a balance between the forces in Palestine, but it already appears that this plan is doomed to fail. Zionist pressure in the USA, Anglophobia in Iraq and Egypt, and above all, Russia's determination to prolong chaos in the Near East and to complete the discrediting of British and American Diplomacy, combine to work against the policy of the British Government and its collaborators --King Abdulla of Trans-Jordan and the Prime Minister of Iraq, Nuri al Said.CIA Electronic Reading Room. Observations Concerning Palestine and the Arab Countries, created 3/8/1949, Document 911106-5 page 2,
any help to you?
A J Balfour’s memorandum at the Paris peace conference 11 August 1919
"The contradiction between the letter of the covenant and the policy of the allies is even more flagrant in the case of the ‘Independent nation’ of Palestine than in the case of the ‘independent nation’ of Syria. For in Palestine we do not propose even to go through the form of consulting the wishes of the present inhabitants of the country ... The four powers are committed to Zionism and Zionism, be it right or wrong, good or bad, is rooted in age-long tradition, in present needs, in future hopes, of far profounder import than the desire and prejudices of the 700,000 Arabs who now inhabit that ancient land."
Seamus Dunn, T. G. Fraser (1996) Europe and ethnicity: the First World War and contemporary ethnic conflict Routledge, ISBN 0415119960 Chapter 9 Middle east Partition and Reformation T G Fraser p 172
More full version of the Balfour memorandum in; Rashid Khalidi (2005) Resurrecting Empire: western footprints and America's perilous path in the Middle East Beacon Press, ISBN 0807002356 Chapter 4 The United States and Palestine p 198
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- I didn't know, but now I do. CasualObserver'48 (talk) 06:25, 13 April 2009 (UTC)
Both Furfar and IDF T shirt are POV forks
Nableezy and Factsontheground Both Furfar and the IDF T-Shirt Affair are POV forks although I do not see YnHockey, Gilibrand or Wikifan12345 looking to delete Furfar.
They are both POV forks of:
Negative Images in the Palestinian Israeli conflict
The 2 political-nationalist communities have been in violent conflict for close to one century. The emotions and passions of the 2 groups run deep. Negative imagery has been used by both groups in attempts to dehumanise their rivals.
read up on:-
Daniel Bar-Tal, Yona Teichman (2005) Stereotypes and Prejudice in Conflict: Representations of Arabs in Israeli Jewish Society Cambridge University Press, ISBN 0521807972 p 121 Paul Martin Lester, Susan Dente Ross (2003) Images that injure: pictorial stereotypes in the media Greenwood Publishing Group, ISBN 027597846X p 60
Schools
Independent Textbooks teach Arab children to hate, say Israelis By Phil Reeves in Jerusalem Wednesday, 6 September 2000
Yet for all their evasions and silences they do not teach hate.
Robert I. Rotberg (2006) Israeli and Palestinian narratives of conflict: history's double helix Indiana University Press, ISBN 0253218578 p 16
Schools to teach history of Gaza settlements, from settlers' perspective By Or Kashti
Hate groups
California based Masada 2000 list of “JEWISH S.H.I.T. LIST (Self-Hating and/or Israel-Threatening)”
The use of crude Cartoons images in the Israeli Palestinian conflict
Guardian Cartoon symbols of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict Guardian Hate mail 19 January 2004
Farfur
Guardian Palestinian TV uses Mickey Mouse to promote resistance by Mark Oliver 9 may 2007
IDF T-Shirt Affair
Dumb use of the word "Arab"
Going by the anti-Palestinian usage of Arab the California Gold Rush (1848–1855) should be renamed the 1848–1855 American gold rush
Conversely the 1834 Arab revolt in Palestine should be renamed as the Palestinian Arab revolt 1834; as Palestine was a sub-district of the vilayet of Syria in the same way that California is a sub-district of the USA. It is noted that it is more correct to call an American from California “a Californian” when an action or event only affects Californians and in the same way an event or action that only affects or is carried out in Palestine is a Palestinian event.
It would appear that the inappropriate use of the term Arab has become the trade mark of extremist POV propagandists.Ashley kennedy3 (talk) 04:00, 1 May 2009 (UTC)
2 Places at once? I don't think so
Tiamut's list of Birds of Palestine
3 Birds for Tiamut's list.
- Hoopoe (Upupa epops):
JERUSALEM (Reuters) - It may not be kosher, but the Hoopoe was chosen Thursday as Israel's national bird. The Hoopoe, or "Duchifat" in Hebrew, is listed in the Old Testament as unclean and forbidden food for Jews. President Shimon Peres declared the pink, black and white-crested bird the winner of a competition timed to coincide with Israel's 60th anniversary. It beat out rivals such as the Yellow-vented Bulbul and the Palestine Sunbird. The Book of Leviticus groups the Hoopoe with birds such as the eagle, vulture and pelican that are "abhorrent, not to be eaten." Israel is a main crossroads for birds migrating between Europe and Africa. Some 155,000 Israelis cast ballots in the national bird vote. (Writing by Jeffrey Heller; Editing by Julian Rake and Ibon Villelabeitia)
Israel names biblically banned Hoopoe national bird
‘Unclean’ bird is nation’s favourite
- Bulbul (Pycnonotus barbatus);
The bulbul, a festive songbird that is common in Wadi El Bazan, Wadi Al Qilt and Ein Qeenia,
- Palestine sun bird (Nectarinia oseus and Cinnyris oseus family Nectariniidae):
a small black bird with glittering iridescent colors prevalent in desert areas,
Don’t Hijack the Birds of Palestine By Samah Jabr
The Birds in Palestine; The expected number of bird species in Palestine amount to more than 500. This is a very large and varied number compared with other countries, inspite of the limited total land area of Palestine.
Those are classified in 206 genera, belonging to 67 families and grouped in 21 orders.
- Blue-Cheeked Bee-eater
- White Breasted King Fisher
- Greater Flamingo
- House Bunting
- Great Grey Shrike
- Spanish Sparrow
- Mourning Wheatear
- Trumpeter Finch
- Lesser Kestrel
- Masked Shrike
- Ortolan Bunting
- Common Kestrel
Palestine wildlife society, Palestine wildlife society; Birds
Jisr Jindas
Are you sure on the location of Jisr Jindas being on the Via Maris between Ramla and Lydda? Only I have two references to it being at the North entrance to Lydda at 31° 58’ 07.51’’ N 34° 54’ 00.78’’E.
The position matches the description and these photos.Creswell archives Ashmolean
Jisr Jindas Bayabars' Lion catching a mouse also seen on the lion gate Jerusalem Andrew Petersen (1996) Dictionary of Islamic architecture Publisher Routledge, ISBN 0415060842 p 231
Palestine Exploration Fund. Survey of Jisr Jindas was carried out in 1937 by P.L.O. Guy Director of the British School of Archaeology in Jerusalem. His field notes, photographs and plans are held in the PEF’s archives and await future reassessment.
Lt. Col. Philip Langstaffe Ord Guy, 1885-1952
From Ramlah the route continued to Ludd (Lydda) and over a bridge (near Jindas) to the northn of the city built in 1273, up to the khan of Jaljulyah, built around 1325. Moshe Sharon (1999) Corpus inscriptionum Arabicarum Palaestinae, (CIAP) Publisher BRILL, ISBN 9004110836, p 229
Hope it helps best wishes Ashley. What next or shall I keep on looking for Jisr Jindas?... Coords I've given (31° 58’ 07.51’’ N 34° 54’ 00.78’’E) are good Wadi Salman and River Ayalon are the same feature.Ashley kennedy3 (talk) 01:03, 31 July 2009 (UTC)
- Petersen, 2002, p. 183, gives as location: 1408.1529 31.58N/34.55E,
- Cheers, Huldra (talk) 21:30, 21 October 2009 (UTC)
- Petersen is not accurate at 31° 58’N 34° 55’E, 1 min covers quite a large area. The coords 31° 58’ 07.42’’ N 34° 54’ 01.76’’E are good.
full set North abutment:31° 58’ 07.28’’ N 34° 54’ 01.82’’E
Central span: 31° 58’ 07.42’’ N 34° 54’ 01.76’’E
South Abutment: 31° 58’ 06.90’’ N 34° 54’ 01.64’’E
all on the centre line of the road. It's very easy to identify. When the Petersen coords are plotted they don't plot onto the river or the road, the Petersen coords are crude approximations..
- Heh; ok, I trust you,..btw, I really wish I had some pictures of the lions on Qasr al-Basha..but I guess the people of Gaza presently have other worries than their representation on wp....Cheers, Huldra (talk) 22:23, 21 October 2009 (UTC)
I've seen some great pictures of it some time ago, 7 or 8 moths ago when Almerson was working on the Gaza strip. Maybe you should ask him/her for links...Ashley kennedy3 (talk) 22:27, 21 October 2009 (UTC)
Picture of one Lion on page 19 now all you want is an open licence...Ashley kennedy3 (talk) 22:53, 21 October 2009 (UTC)
- Ah, yeah; looks very much what is pictured in Sharon (Sharon has more close-up)..I´ll see what Al-Almeerson can come up with...cheers, Huldra (talk)
I've plotted Petersens 1408.1529 which gives the position of the coords for the bridge I picked out (between the railway bridge and the new road bridge)...Ashley kennedy3 (talk) 19:23, 22 October 2009 (UTC)
al-Majdal, Tiberias
Walid Khalidi (1992) All that remains: the Palestinian villages occupied and depopulated by Israel in 1948 Publisher Institute for Palestine Studies, ISBN 0887282245 p.530
[al-Majdal identified as ancient Magdala
Denys Pringle (1998) The Churches of the Crusader Kingdom of Jerusalem: L-Z (exluding Tyre) Publisher Cambridge University Press, ISBN 0521390370 p 153]
[An hour still to the north is located the village al-Majdal, identified with the home of Mary Magdalena... Before Tiberias was built, it was the chief city of the district
Samuel Macauley Jackson, Lefferts Augustine Loetscher (1977) The new Schaff-Herzog encyclopedia of religious knowledge v. 6 Publisher Baker Book House, ISBN 0801079470 p 421]
- If you don't mind AshleyK, I'll start this one up right now. Thanks for gettin it started. When are you going to be able to edit directly again? Tiamut 17:30, 8 August 2009 (UTC)
Huldra has plenty on her User:Huldra/Sources getting articles started page. I'm still in prison for another 8 months. I've got loads of your birds in Order, family species lists...Ashley kennedy3 (talk) 17:38, 8 August 2009 (UTC)
- I saw the bird stuff too. I've just gotten a little fatigued of putting that list together for the time being. I'll try to get back to it soon. I think I'd like to have al-Majdal up as a stub for now to get people working on it. I find that when I put stuff in user space, it just languishes there. I start second guessing if its good to go or not. Best to open it up to others right away so all paties can pitch in. (Except for those of us who still have time in the penalty box. I'm sorry about that AshleyK. It's a terrible waste of your abilities to have you confined to this talk page.)
- Anyway, thanks for keeping things coming and going. My deepest regards, Tiamut 17:43, 8 August 2009 (UTC)
It's no problem Tiamut, Huldra pops by and makes coords requests and I keep an eye on looking up missing bits, I've found nearly all of you 500 birds of Palestine.Ashley kennedy3 (talk) 17:48, 8 August 2009 (UTC)
Birds of Palestine
Palestine is host to a treasure trove of biodiversity as it lies at the crossroads of the European, Asian, and African continents, the Mediterranean and Red seas. The unique environment nurtures Palestinian biological diversity through the convergence of various geo-climatic conditions that include the Mediterranean Sea, the desert, the woodlands, and the Jordan Rift Valley. The Gaza Strip is home to 39 resident bird species and on the route of 195 migrant bird species belonging to 18 orders and 53 families. Palestine Authority is host to x number orders, x number families, x number species resident or migratory birds out of 843 species recorded in the Middle East.
It has been estimated that five hundred million birds migrate annually along the Gaza coastline or through the narrow corridor of the Jordan valley between the southern and northern hemispheres.
Areas covered:
Walls of Jerusalem http://www.wildlife-pal.org/walls_of_jerusalem.htm
Wadi al-Quilt (Jerusalem) http://www.wildlife-pal.org/wadi_al_quilt_region.htm
Jerusalem Wilderness region of Bethlehem/Hebron http://www.wildlife-pal.org/jerusalem_wilderness_region.htm
Mar Saba – Wadi Qadron (Bethlehem) http://www.wildlife-pal.org/mar_saba_-_wadi_qadron.htm
Wadi Al-Makhrour (Bethlehem) http://www.wildlife-pal.org/wadi_al-makhrour.htm
Al- Fashkaha region (Jericho) http://www.wildlife-pal.org/al-fashkaha_region.htm
Jericho http://www.wildlife-pal.org/jericho_region.htm
Al-Oja springs (Jericho) http://www.wildlife-pal.org/al-oja_springs_region.htm
Wadi Gaza (Gaza Strip) http://www.wildlife-pal.org/wadi_gaza_region.htm
Wadi Al Quff (Hebron) http://www.wildlife-pal.org/wadi_al-quff.htm
Um Al-Safa (Ramallah) http://www.wildlife-pal.org/um_al-safa.htm
Qenya Springs (Ramallah) http://www.wildlife-pal.org/qenya_springs.htm
Um Al-Rihan Forests (Jenin) http://www.wildlife-pal.org/un_al-rihan_forests.htm
Note: I have only extracted Bird names from the sources that have indicated the Birds can be found within the area that The President of the United States referred to as Palestine.
Obama's speech
In Obama's speech the terms; OPT, Judea and Samaria ripped up and substituted with PALESTINE for the whole with West bank and Gaza as regions of PALESTINE.
"At the same time, Israelis must acknowledge that just as Israel's right to exist cannot be denied, neither can Palestine's. The United States does not accept the legitimacy of continued Israeli settlements. This construction violates previous agreements and undermines efforts to achieve peace. It is time for these settlements to stop.
Israel must also live up to its obligations to ensure that Palestinians can live, and work, and develop their society. And just as it devastates Palestinian families, the continuing humanitarian crisis in Gaza does not serve Israel's security; neither does the continuing lack of opportunity in the West Bank. Progress in the daily lives of the Palestinian people must be part of a road to peace, and Israel must take concrete steps to enable such progress."
Ashley kennedy3 (talk) 23:26, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
annually.
Birds of Palestine Order Passeriformes
Order: Passeriformes perching birds sometimes called songbirds
Family: Phylloscopidae
- Chiffchaff (Phylloscopus collybita); common WV
- Eastern Bonelli's Warbler (Phylloscopus orientalis)
- Bonelli's Warbler (Phylloscopus bonellii); common migrant and uncommon SV
- Dusky Warbler (Phylloscopus fuscatus)
- Hume's Warbler (Phylloscopus humei)
- Mountain Chiffchaff (Phylloscopus lorenzi)
- Willow Warbler (Phylloscopus trochilus); common migrant
- Wood Warbler (Phylloscopus sibilatrix); common migrant in the plains
- Yellow-browed Warbler (Phylloscopus inornatus); one obtained by Tristram at Jericho in 1864
Family: Cisticolidae; Cisticolas and allies
- Fan-tailed Warbler (Cisticola cisticola); locally common resident
- Scrub warbler (Scotocerca inquieta); uncommon resident
- Graceful Warbler/Graceful Prinia (Prinia gracilis); common resident
Family: Motacillidae; Pipits and wagtails
- Richard's Pipit (Anthus richardi)
- Tawny Pipit (Anthus campestris)
- Tree Pipit (Anthus trivialis)
- Meadow Pipit (Anthus pratensis)
- Red-throated Pipit (Anthus cervinus)
- Water Pipit (Anthus spinoletta)
- Buff-bellied Pipit (Anthus rubescens)
- Yellow Wagtail (Motacilla flava)
- Citrine Wagtail (Motacilla citreola)
- Grey Wagtail (Motacilla cinerea)
- White Wagtail (Motacilla alba)
Family: Emberizidae; Buntings
- Cinereous Bunting (Emberiza cineracea)
- Cretzschmar's Bunting (Emberiza caesia)
- Black-headed Bunting (Emberiza melanocephala)
- House Bunting (Emberiza sahari)
- Ortolan Bunting (Emberiza hortulana)
- Pine Bunting (Emberiza leucocephalos)
- Reed Bunting (Emberiza schoeniclus)
- Rock Bunting (Emberiza cia)
- Yellowhammer (Emberiza citrinella)
- Corn Bunting (Miliaria calandra)
Family: Estrildidae
- Indian Silverbill (Lonchura malabarica)
Family: Fringillidae Finches
- European Serin (Serinus serinus)
- Syrian Serin (Serinus syriacus)
- European Greenfinch (Carduelis chloris)
- European Goldfinch (Carduelis carduelis)
- European Siskin (Carduelis spinus)
- Linnet (Carduelis cannabina)
- Desert Finch (Rhodospiza obsoleta)
- Hawfinch (Coccothraustes coccothraustes)
- Sinai Rosefinch (Carpodacus synoicus)
- Trumpeter Finch (Bucanetes githagineus)
- Common Crossbill (Loxia curvirostra)
Family: Remizidae
- European Penduline Tit (Remiz pendulinus)
Family: Prunellidae
- Hedge Sparrow (Prunella modularis); fairly common WV
Family: Passeridae;
- Dead Sea Sparrow (Passer moabiticus)
- House Sparrow (Passer domesticus)
- Spanish Sparrow (Passer hispaniolensis)
- Pale Rock Sparrow (Petronia brachydactyla)
Family: Paridae
- Great Tit (Parus major)
Family: Timaliidae
- Arabian Babbler (Turdoides squamiceps)
Family: Oriolidae
- Golden Oriole (Oriolus oriolus)
Family: Pycnonotidae
- Common Bulbul (Pycnonotus barbatus) The bulbul, a festive songbird that is common in Wadi El Bazan, Wadi Al Qilt and Ein Qeenia.
Family: Nectariniidae
- Palestine Sunbird (Cinnyris oseus)a small black bird with glittering iridescent colours prevalent in desert areas.
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Beit ar-Rush al-Tahta
| Beit ar-Rush al-Tahta | |
|---|---|
| Municipality type D (Village council) | |
| Arabic transcription(s) | |
| • Arabic | بِيت ال روشْ التَ حتَا |
  Beit ar-Rush al-TahtaLocation of Beit ar-Rush al-Tahta within Palestine | |
| Coordinates: 31°27′47.20″N 34°56′08.00″E / 31.4631111°N 34.9355556°E / 31.4631111; 34.9355556 | |
| State | State of Palestine |
| Governorate | hb |
| Government | |
| • Type | Village council |
| Population | |
| • Total | 373 |
(Arabic: بِيت ال روشْ التَ حتَا)PCBS p. 120
Deir al 'Asal at Tahta
| Deir al 'Asal at Tahta | |
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| Municipality type D (Village council) | |
| Arabic transcription(s) | |
| • Arabic | دير العسل التحته |
| Deir al 'Asal at TahtaLocation of Deir al 'Asal at Tahta within Palestine | |
| Coordinates: 31°28′24.28″N 34°56′46.64″E / 31.4734111°N 34.9462889°E / 31.4734111; 34.9462889 | |
| State | State of Palestine |
| Governorate | hb |
| Government | |
| • Type | Village council |
| Population | |
| • Total | 555 |
(Arabic: دير العسل التحته)PCBS p. 119
Muhammad Abu Maher Ghneim
Muhammad Ghneim/ Muhammad Abu Maher Ghneim
Note; Ghneim along with Faruq al-Qaddumi amongst the numerous Fatah activists and leaders who refused to "return" to the still-occupied West Bank and Gaza after Oslo, arguing that to do so would place Fatah too tightly under the thumb of Israel's occupation regime.
Nigel Craig Parsons (2005) The politics of the Palestinian Authority: from Oslo to al-Aqsa Publisher Routledge, ISBN 0415944406 p 136
The Coordinator of the Israeli Army Activities in the Palestinian occupied territories Shlomo Dor announced Israel's approval of the return of Al-Qaddumi and Abu Maher Ghneim and refused the return of Nayef Hawatmeh.
One or two other newspaper articles for ref to Muhammad Abu Maher Ghneim for Al Ameer son
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3754325,00.html Ramallah: Warm welcome for 'Abbas' heir' by Ali Waked Published YNet News 29 July 2009
According to media reports, one of Fatah's founders - Muhammad Ghneim - arrived Wednesday from Tunisia. The Syrian delegates are expected to arrive on Thursday. These delegates will be entering the West Bank through the Allenby Bridge crossing from Jordan.
http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1248277925059&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull Netanyahu: 'Crossings shut until Schalit freed' By HERB KEINON Published Jerusalem Post 29 July 2009
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1103776.html Israel allows Fatah hard-liner to enter West Bank following Abbas request Published Ha,artez 29 July 2009
http://www.spa.gov.sa/english/details.php?id=688667 Saudi Press Agency 29 July 2009
Ironically, Qaddumi was the chief beneficiary of Arafat's death: he succeeded Arafat as the party's general secretary. His decision to boycott Bethlehem means he will lose this role. Abbas has won a first-round, pre-conference victory by bringing another senior rejectionist, Muhammad Ghneim, on board, while sidelining Qaddumi and cutting his funding as a warning to all recalcitrant leaders abroad. Qaddumi may have been sidelined, but his case illustrates many of Fatah's problems.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2009/aug/04/fatah-conference-palestinian Reforming Fatah from the grassroots up
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/8194552.stm Young leaders dominate Fatah vote Published BBC News 11 August 2009
http://www.gulf-times.com/site/topics/article.asp?cu_no=2&item_no=309180&version=1&template_id=46&parent_id=26 Key Fatah panel gets new faces By Rachelle Kliger and Helda Eriqat/Bethlehem, West Bank Published Gulf Times 16 August 2009
http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/132658 One Arafat Co-Terrorist Returns, Second Goes to Jail by Maayana Miskin Published Arutz Sheva 30 July 2009
Muhammad Ghneim (also known as Abu Maher Ghneim),
http://saudigazette.com.sa/index.cfm?method=home.regcon&contentID=2009081246509 Fatah ‘coup’ by young leaders Published Saudi Gazette
http://www.reuters.com/article/latestCrisis/idUSLC73906 FACTBOX-Final results of Fatah Central Committee vote Reuters 12 August 2009
Fateh is preparing for its Sixth Conference in Bethlehem scheduled to take place on August 4 amid internal controversies and international diplomatic efforts. While Israel has allowed a number of Fateh leaders outside to enter Palestine to attend the conference, including top Fateh man Abu Maher Ghneim,
http://www.miftah.org/Display.cfm?DocId=20198&CategoryId=10 Fateh Conference Surrounded by Controversy, International Diplomacy Published MIFTA 01 August 2009
In addition, Abu Mazen personally is still wavering over whether to run as a Fatah candidate in the next presidential elections. In all the press interviews he has held recently, he has refused to clarify his plans. However, sources within Fatah have indicated that the Palestinian president is studying the possibility of not nominating himself and that deliberations are currently in progress within the faction over an alternative candidate. One possibility, according to a recent leak from within Fatah, is Abu Maher Ghneim, head of the movement's organisational committee. Yet the prospect of Ghneim's candidacy is difficult to imagine, firstly because he is vehemently opposed to Oslo and secondly because he refuses to return to the West Bank as long as it is under Israeli occupation.
http://weekly.ahram.org.eg/2007/860/re5.htm 'No elections if Hamas will win' by Saleh Al-Naami Published Al-Ahram 30 August - 5 September 2007
Kaddoumi's camp, largely made of men born in pre-state Palestine but who spent most of their lives in Syria and elsewhere in the Arab world, also includes veteran Fatah leaders and Oslo opponents Muhammad Ghneim (Abu Mahir) and Sahkr Habash. It derives what strength it has from largely hollow PLO institutions abroad and its element of control over Palestinian legations around the world.
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/pages/ShArt.jhtml?itemNo=500568&displayTypeCd=1&sideCd=1&contrassID=2 Background / Arafat's rival heirs - a field guide By Bradley Burston, Haaretz Correspondent Published Ha’aretz November 2004
Fatah central committee member Muhammad Ghneim stated: "The Palestinian people... have set the end of September as the last date to achieve a settlement realizing the hopes... the right of return for the refugees. Resolution 242 alone is not the basis for a Palestinian-Israeli reconciliation... any disregard of the other resolutions such as 181 and 194 will leave the wound open and the conflict valid." Al-Ayyam, 20 July, 2000.
http://www.memri.org/bin/articles.cgi?Page=archives&Area=sd&ID=SP13200#_edn3 Middle East Media research Institute. 06 October, 2000
...Ashley kennedy3 (talk) 03:40, 23 August 2009 (UTC)
Possibility of gaming post 30 august?
The use of internet networking tools is gaining in use world wide- don't miss this excellent opportunity to gain valuable information to enhance your networking skills online. The lecture/workshop is being organized by CoHaV, a coalition of hasbara volunteers.
Seminar on the Use of Social Media Networking Tools Seminar networking organised by hasbara? I guess we'll all be looking forwards to that one.Ashley kennedy3 (talk) 02:14, 24 August 2009 (UTC)
refs for requested article 1657 Ottoman military campaign in Palestine
First of the four dramatic and rather violent moments was the 1657 Ottoman military campaign, which sought to restore central control in southern Syria. This campaign introduced a new and stable group of ruling families to Jabal Nablus, families that came to dominate the region’s political life well into the nineteenth century....
Beshara Doumani (1995) Rediscovering Palestine: merchants and peasants in Jabal Nablus, 1700-1900 Publisher University of California Press, ISBN 0520203704 pp 34-40
Sultan Mehmed IV Grand Vizier Köprülü Mehmed Pasha
Follow the money.
Trade routes:
- India-Basra Damascus Aleppo-Istanbul. Indian cotton, Iranian silk and Syrian silk.
- Yemen-Cairo-Gaza-Damascus-Aleppo –Istanbul. Yemen Coffee.
Traders:
- by Levant Company (Armenian French conglomerate)trading centres; western Mediterranean and Levant.
- by East India Company. Trading centres; India and Basra.
- by Venetian Traders. (Venetian traders losing out to Dutch and English traders)
- by French Caravani-transportation rather than traders.
During the war against the Venetians (Cretan War, Siege of Candia)
Cats
Category: Arab neighborhoods in Jerusalem needs a GeoGroupTemplate
History of United Nations peacekeeping missions
I noticed you have made a number of edits to this article and I have proposed deleting/moving/redoing it and drawn up a very rough draft of a replacement. If you're interested, please read my comments on the discussion page and respond if you have any thoughts. --Jieagles (talk) 23:28, 27 August 2009 (UTC)
As I am presently unable to respond on the discussion page I'll put some thoughts here.
1. Yes it should be History of United Nations Peacekeeping rather than a list.
2. founding in 1948 not 1956. 1956 was an extension of peacekeeping missions; for a more rapid response force (and armed) rather than the observer role of UNTSO. note Timeline of United Nations peacekeeping missions, it would look mighty peculiar to have UN peacekeeping prior to UN peacekeeping being founded.
3. Canadian Prime Minister Lester Pearson's policing proposal of 1956 (Nobel prize 1957) constituted an extension of peacekeeping principles (supervisory police), building on well-established foundations.
4. "failure to deliver food to starving people in Somalia" as delivering food aid is not a peacekeepers job I may be getting the erroneous impression that you are compiling a list of anti-UN rhetoric? Especially as you have omitted all the successful peace keeping missions.
5. I shall certainly be chipping in on UN peacekeepers in the future.Ashley kennedy3 (talk) 00:45, 28 August 2009 (UTC)
- I have taken into account your comments 2 & 3, or attempted to. As for #4, that passage was copy/pasted from another article, however, the distribution of food aid was one of the major objectives and justifications for UNOSOM I & II and UNITAF, authorized to "to use all necessary means to establish a secure environment for humanitarian relief operations in Somalia as soon as possible." A few links on food here and here. That was mostly a criticism of UNOSOM I, as UNITAF and UNOSOM II were much more effective.
- The section is not anti-UN rhetoric, it is where the criticisms of UN peacekeeping are noted. These criticisms exist and they have to be in the article. the previous paragraph is very positive, "seven of eight countries at peace", "decline in global violence", etc. However, it did seem to end the article on a low note and I have added some UN responses to these criticisms in the following paragraph. I have also expanded the history section so that nearly all missions get a mention. discussions of success/failure could be incorporated there, but I do want to avoid it becoming another list (UNTAG-Success; MONUC-Failure or something like that). I look forward to your contributions. --Jieagles (talk) 01:50, 29 August 2009 (UTC)
It is still not peacekeepers job to distribute food. They make an area secure but do not distribute. It is up to other aid agencies to carry out the distribution. Only anti-UN rhetoric would misguide or obfuscate in such a manner as to suggest that the UN peacekeepers should act outside their given mandate (normally set by the SC, so blame the SC for the wrong mandate).
I agree it should not be a list as a list is already in existence. There is a great need for the history of peacekeepers and their limitations imposed by the mandates. It's a very large subject. I only pushed the actual founding into the original and left the list due to the amount of time that would be needed to cover the subject...Ashley kennedy3 (talk) 02:07, 29 August 2009 (UTC)
Food Aid and International Hunger Crises: The United States in Somalia by Marion Nestle and Sharron Dalton and they called that a success, only because the US demanded that they led.
Thanks Nishidani..Ashley kennedy3 (talk) 01:16, 28 August 2009 (UTC)
refs
It is always better to understand the organisation before putting in criticism. Some helpful reading (the last, Keeping the peace, is probably the best work to start with):-
David S. Sorenson, Pia Christina Wood (2005) The politics of peacekeeping in the post-cold war era Publisher Routledge, ISBN 0714684880
Lise Morjé Howard (2008) UN peacekeeping in civil wars Publisher Cambridge University Press, ISBN 0521881382
Michael W. Doyle, Nicholas Sambanis (2006) Making war and building peace: United Nations peace operations Publisher Princeton University Press, ISBN 069112275X
Stephen John Stedman, Donald S. Rothchild, Elizabeth M. Cousens (2002) Ending civil wars: the implementation of peace agreements Publisher Lynne Rienner Publishers, ISBN 1588260836
Michael W. Doyle, Ian Johnstone, Robert C. Orr (1997) Keeping the Peace: Multidimensional UN Operations in Cambodia and El Salvador Publisher Cambridge University Press, ISBN 0521588375
Ayn Ghazal coords
Thanks Tiamut...You're a star...Ashley kennedy3 (talk) 21:08, 28 August 2009 (UTC)
- No problem Ashley. Its the least I can do when someone is working hard to provide much needed details to articles sorely in need of attention by people who have real knowledge and facts to apply. I don't quite understand why you are still being prevented from contributing directly yourself. Sometimes, the rules at Misplaced Pages are applied so randomly. They say blocks are preventitive, not punitive and yet here you are, continuing to contribute in good faith from the confines of your talk page, and instead of some admin taking the initiative to unblock you, certain editors are fishing around to see if they get others blocked for passing on the information you place on this page. Amazing. Anyway, as always, much appreciated Ashley. Tiamut 21:14, 28 August 2009 (UTC)
Well as I haven't been topic banned No more mr nice guy must mean someone else. If you look further up you see the same discussion occurred earlier. Only it was myself who asked that very question and the reply was as other editors had requested the information it was fine. I refer to postings between Bachrach44 and myself at the bottom of adding coordinatesAshley kennedy3 (talk) 21:22, 28 August 2009 (UTC)
Besides the pro-Israeli faction are perpetrating infractions of wiki rules re soliciting. ...could it be User:Tundrabuggy/ Dajudem sockpuppet clones? Ashley kennedy3 (talk) 21:38, 28 August 2009 (UTC)
Besides as Ynhokey says it's informative not POV pushing. .Ashley kennedy3 (talk) 21:43, 28 August 2009 (UTC)
What's the chance of 69.86.147.2 and 74.64.96.178 being the same person gaming on the same article?...Ashley kennedy3 (talk) 23:52, 28 August 2009 (UTC)
Missing from Violence in the Israeli Palestinian conflict 2000
Makes a bit of a mockery of wiki saying that the was a Death Toll in 2000 of just 44 Violence in the Israeli–Palestinian conflict 2000. I don't know about you but there a quite a few more than 44 in the above list (partial list of 132). That makes Violence in the Israeli–Palestinian conflict 2000 both inaccurate and POV. Due to the fact that the complainers have absolutely no reason to be unaware, (as they did complain about me attempting to insert accurate and reliable information) they have no excuse that they did not know....Ashley kennedy3 (talk) 10:19, 29 August 2009 (UTC)
maybe someone would like to explain why the article showing less than 25% of those killed is still not displaying a tag showing that the article to be inaccurate or POV?...Ashley kennedy3 (talk) 10:37, 29 August 2009 (UTC)
Jayjg actively removing Palestinian dead from the list and wikifan12345 is unable to fathom why an inaccurate and POV article has tagged.Jayjg removing referenced work and wikifan12345 removing tags. The above list makes Jayjg and wikifan12345 look exactly what they are...That is jayjg and wikifan12345 are extremist inserting POV....Ashley kennedy3 (talk) 11:05, 29 August 2009 (UTC)
Can everyone of these be reliably sourced to neutral sources? If so, I don't know how anybody can object.To be honest, I don't know whether we should actually have lists like this reeling off lists of every civilian that died in a conflict. I wonder whether they should be taken to AFD. Especially when they are mostly unreferenced anybody can insert their own POV into them.. Himalayan 13:18, 29 August 2009 (UTC)
B'Tselem is a reliable neutral source. Used by every Sovereign state in the world, even the US, B'Tselem is commonly used by sovereign states in preference to all other sources, especially as the Israeli government is not taken as a neutral source due to it only recording Israeli deaths (even the PA records both Israeli and palestinian deaths)...... The lists are also corroborated in the UN archives under "Chronological Review of Events Relating to the Question of Palestine" for each month taken from reliable newspaper sources, Jpost Ha'aretz, AFP, AP etc etc etc.... Ashley kennedy3 (talk) 14:34, 29 August 2009 (UTC)
B'Tselem figures used as a source by respected Authors:-
Avery Plaw (2008) Targeting Terrorists: A License to Kill? Ethics and global politics Publisher Ashgate Publishing, Ltd., ISBN 0754645266 p 64
Tomis Kapitan (1997) Philosophical perspectives on the Israeli-Palestinian conflict Publisher M.E. Sharpe, ISBN 1563248786 p 125
Actually the Israeli contention with B'Tselem is not with the accurate tally of Dead (even Efraim Karsh uses B'tselem figure) but with the designation of "Non-participation in Hostilities". The pro-Israelis consider the B'Tselem designation as "massaging", however the pro-Israeli also consider armed students on pre-military training as non-combatants. So there is something of a double standard in operation...Ashley kennedy3 (talk) 16:19, 29 August 2009 (UTC)
- could you provide the links to the sources for these so they can be added to the article? thanks. untwirl(talk) 19:48, 29 August 2009 (UTC)
- I would but I think that it could be misconstrued as a wiki violation of actions to evade a block...Ashley kennedy3 (talk) 23:24, 29 August 2009 (UTC)
Request coordinates for villages
Hi Ashley. Can you list the coordinates next to these villages so I can add them. Forgvie me if I've listed ones we already have, if you could remove the ones we already have from the list and list the coordinates for those actually missing this would be a great help...
Himalayan 15:07, 1 September 2009 (UTC)
A nice long list. I am working through it will post the list when finished.Ashley kennedy3 (talk) 11:59, 6 September 2009 (UTC)
PS you have been busy. Well done just watch out for Ammuqa/Ammuka. There are some that have a propensity to confuse issues where the name sounds the same but the geographical locations are not the same. Ashley kennedy3 (talk) 14:33, 6 September 2009 (UTC)
Hi, sorry I didn't check back later, I did after a few days and you hadn't responded so I didn't look again. I'm adding the coordinates now, thanks. I'll let you know when I'm up to L so you can add the rest. Thanks. Himalayan 10:38, 9 October 2009 (UTC)
Sorry for not checking in; I've been reading. I'll compile the next bit....Ashley kennedy3 (talk) 12:38, 12 October 2009 (UTC)
and which district next?...Ashley kennedy3 (talk) 15:42, 12 October 2009 (UTC)
Ramla done
Himalayan 11:14, 15 October 2009 (UTC)
Oh, you're a tinker. You slipped that list in when I was playing around on another section so that I nearly missed it...Ashley kennedy3 (talk) 15:15, 15 October 2009 (UTC)
With reference to the Dayr Ayyub and the DMZ around the Latrun salient. The 1949 cease fire agreement did not make the Latrun salient depopulated merely a Demilitarised zone (civilian were allowed, by the 1949 agreement, into the DMZ). The Israeli forces used excessive force to eject the Palestinian population forcibly stopping Palestinians re-entering their own homes. The Israeli government then authorised Israeli creeping encroachment and laid claim to the DMZ. In 1950 the Israeli military patrol should not have been in the DMZ when they murdered the 2 children Ali Muhammad Ali Alyyan (12) and his sister Fakhriyeh Muhammad Ali Alyyan (10).
Added both coordinates and corrections. Himalayan 19:49, 15 October 2009 (UTC)
Where to next?...Ashley kennedy3 (talk) 21:34, 15 October 2009 (UTC)
District of Haifa?
Abu Shusha 32° 36' 50.95’’ N 35° 08' 16.45’’ E · Abu Zurayq 32° 38' 02.50’’ N 35° 07' 33.50’’ E · 'Amriyye 32° 45' 55.70’’ N 35° 06' 46.00’’ E · 'Ara · Arab al-Fuqara 32° 27' 07.70’’ N 34° 54' 21.05’’ E · Arab al-Nufayat 32° 25' 28.95’’ N 34° 54' 53.50’’ E · Arab Zahrat al-Dumayri 32° 27' 30.90’’ N 34° 54' 23.80’’ E · 'Ar'ara · 'Atlit needs redirect to Atlit (funny how a town founded in 1903 appears on maps printed in the 1880s, could be that the founding date is incorrect?) see also Ein Hod/Ayn Hawd · Ayn Ghazal · Ayn Hawd · Balad ash-Sheikh · Barrat Qisarya 32° 30' 33.65’’ N 34° 54' 59.65’’ E · Basmat Tab'un · Beit Lehem 32° 44' 47.30’’ N 35° 11' 50.40’’ E · Burayka 32° 33' 29.05’’ N 34° 58' 39.40’’ E see also additional info on Burayka · al-Burj, Khirbat 32° 30' 34.35’’ N 34° 56' 26.20’’ E · al-Butaymat 32° 33' 10.75’’ N 35° 05' 40.00’’ E · Buweishat 32° 32' 18.44’’ N 35° 06' 54.40’’ E · Daliyat al-Carmel · Daliyat al-Rawha also spelt Daliat-El-Ruha 32° 35' 28.15’’ N 35° 04' 41.00’’ E see Dalia, Israel · al-Damun, Khirbat 32° 43' 58.00’’ N 35° 01' 21.95’’ E · Dar al-Hannoun (Rujm al Ahmar? see also Dar al Hanun 32° 29' 31.70’’ N 35° 03' 57.75’’ E) · al-Dumayri 32° 27' 39.00’’ N 34° 55' 11.65’’ E marked as an area (ad Dumayri) rather than a village · Fureidis · al-Ghubayya al-Fawqa 32° 36' 05.40’’ N 35° 09' 04.75’’ E · al-Ghubayya al-Tahta 32° 36' 25.45’’ N 35° 08' 59.70’’ E · Hajajra · Hawsha 32° 47' 33.25’’ N 35° 08' 36.50’’ E · Hilf 32° 44' 47.35’’ N 35° 08' 52.35’’ E note Hilf needs a dis-ambiguous page · al-Humeira 32° 47' 34.35’’ N 35° 10' 17.05’’ E · I'billin · Ibtin · Ijzim · 'Isfiya 32° 43' 06.25’’ N 35° 03' 55.15’’ E · Jaba' 32° 39' 04.75’’ N 34° 57' 43.35’’ E · al-Jalama · Jeida aka Ramat Yishai 32° 42' 11.55’’ N 35° 09' 55.65’’ E · Ka'abiyya · al-Kababir 32° 48' 20.55’’ N 34° 58' 13.00’’ E · Kabara 32° 32' 55.50’’ N 34° 55' 14.40’’ E · Kafr Lam · al-Kafrayn 32° 34' 24.70’’ N 35° 07' 08.50’’ E · al-Kasayir, Khirbat 32° 47' 36.00’’ N 35° 08' 18.80’’ E · Khubbaiza 32° 33' 21.90’’ N 35° 04' 02.05’’ E ·
note Ijzim ;anti-Egyptian uprising in 1834 should be linked to 1834 Palestinian revolt article.
Khaled Fahmy (2002) All the pasha's men: Mehmed Ali, his army, and the making of modern Egypt Publisher American Univ in Cairo Press, ISBN 9774246969. This book should be included as a ref for 1834 Palestinian revolt.
Have you noticed that Google has now gone in for the Hebrewdisation of West bank maps? ...occurred at about 1700hrs GMT 24th October 2009Ashley kennedy3 (talk) 10:26, 25 October 2009 (UTC)
Problem with Kh. Al Biya aka Al Byar and al Bir: from the mapping (1942) it appears in Haifa district not Jenin....? see Wadi Ara.... Ashley kennedy3 (talk) 10:41, 25 October 2009 (UTC)
note al-Naghnaghiyya reveal the hidden history of Jezreel; Marj Ibn Amer (Meadow of Amr's son) and British mandate as Plain of Esdraelon
note Bat Shlomo aka Bat Shelomo and Umm Jimal
where next?...Ashley kennedy3 (talk) 15:19, 25 October 2009 (UTC)
any takers for Acre?
District of Tulkarm
Note al Jalama needs dis-ambiguous page to accomodate both al Jalama, Haifa and al Jalama, Tulkarm. ps why the hyphenated al-?..Ashley kennedy3 (talk) 14:52, 26 October 2009 (UTC)
Do you mean move page title or redirect the red link? Himalayan 21:02, 26 October 2009 (UTC)
The more usual way of referring to the village is Khirbat Bayt Lid. If a reader is searching then it should be caught either way. same with the hyphenated al-s, the un-hyphenated needs a re-direct or vice versa both methods need to be included...Ashley kennedy3 (talk) 21:53, 26 October 2009 (UTC)
You haven't directly answered what I was looking for. Should Bayt Lid, Khirbat by moved to Khirbat Bayt Lid, or should Khirbat Bayt Lid be redirected to Bayt Lid, Khirbat? Himalayan 09:16, 27 October 2009 (UTC)
correctly speaking the article title should be Khirbat Bayt Lid, however so long as there is a redirect it is immaterial what the title of the article is...Ashley kennedy3 (talk) 10:05, 27 October 2009 (UTC)
We need an article on the Marsh Bedouin of Palestine, it would make explanations of Ghabat Kafr Sur, Bayyarat Hannun, Arab al Nufay'at, Wadi Bourstany, Zor al Zerka, Arab as Sawalima etc more accurate...Ashley kennedy3 (talk) 12:30, 27 October 2009 (UTC)
Kafr Saba the Maqam of Shaykh Sam'an near Kfar Saba was demolished by unknown assailants in 2005. Pappé, Ilan, (reprint 2007) The ethnic cleansing of Palestine, Oneworld Publications Limited, ISBN 978-1-85168-467-0p 219
District of Jaffa
al-'Abbasiyya 32° 01' 50.35’’ N 34° 53' 25.05’’ E · Abu Kishk · Bayt Dajan · Biyar 'Adas · Fajja · al-Haram · Jalil aka collectively Ijlil al-Qibliyya (Jalil south) & Ijlil al-Shamaliyya (Jalil North), 32° 09' 36.00’’ N 34° 48' 42.35’’ E · al-Jammasin al-Gharbi aka Jammasin Morris reports 1 Dec 1947 Palestinian Arab traders driven out of Tel Aviv and Jewish markets p 67. 32° 05' 25.05’’ N 34° 47' 36.65’’ E · al-Jammasin al-Sharqi · Jarisha (Yarkon Park) 32° 05' 44.95’’ N 34° 52' 39.80’’ E · Kafr 'Ana · al-Khayriyya · al-Mas'udiyya 32° 05' 07.00’’ N 34° 46' 54.45’’ E · al-Mirr forested area on the eastern boundary of the Yarkon sports complex. 32° 06' 43.20’’ N 34° 54' 57.15’’ E · Rantiya · al-Safiriyya 31° 59' 36.20’’ N 34° 51' 03.35’’ E · Salama · Saqiya · al-Sawalima aka Arab as Sawalima 32° 06' 49.05’’ N 34° 50' 59.70’’ E · al-Shaykh Muwannis · Yazur
al Jammasin al Sharqi
Unable to supply coords for al Jammasin al Sharqi as it requires a whole lot of discussion on "what is a village"? Colonial western thoughts on what constituted a village (and semi-nomadic/semi-sedentary) were predisposed to deny that al Jammasin al Sharqi was a village. The result is that al Jammasin al Sharqi does not appear on any maps as a village (its permanent fields and orchards do). The "village" is described as mud huts and tents and the cadastral surveys show fields and orchards. The area that the semi-sedentary Bedouin remained in is delimited by the encroachment of "permanent settlement" (the permanent settlements were found to be not so permanent against Israeli bulldozers). The Marsh Bedouin in the main raised cattle (water buffaloes) and had permanent fields (mainly wheat crops) and orchards (mainly oranges and olives). The "village" would be moved within the area at no set time but move on the grounds of hygiene. So, what's a village? Note the permanent structures of this particular village were the fields and orchards (the fields and orchards had been worked for several generations). Note the residents of al Jammasin al Gharbi appear to have also shared in the farming of al Jammasin al Sharqi hence the two are collectively known as Jammasin with the Palestinian Arab village of Jarisha laying between the two Jammasins.
NB. A clay brick could also be said to be nothing but baked mud, meaning that most westerners live in glorified mud huts and wooden shacks.
note: Imposition of European concepts of land rights through the interpretation of Ottoman law by British colonial officials adversely affected the rights of Marsh Bedouin along the coastal plain.
District of Jerusalem
Allar 31° 43' 26.10’’ N 35° 03' 45.00’’ E · Aqqur 31° 45' 29.60’’ N 35° 04' 56.20’’ E · Artuf · Bayt 'Itab · Bayt Mahsir 31° 47' 39.70’’ N 35° 02' 04.75’’ E · Bayt Naqquba · Bayt Thul 31° 49' 20.90’’ N 35° 04' 25.90’’ E · Bayt Umm al-Mays 31° 46' 51.30’’ N 35° 04' 54.90’’ E · al-Burayj 31° 44' 19.40’’ N 34° 55' 43.75’’ E · Dayr Aban 31° 44' 34.60’’ N 35° 00' 37.45’’ E · Dayr 'Amr 31° 46' 37.15’’ N 35° 05' 47.35’’ E · Dayr al-Hawa 31° 45' 04.45’’ N 35° 02' 13.60’’ E · Dayr Rafat see also Deir Rafat this is one of those add to the confusion type naming of places. · Dayr Rafat, according to the British mandate maps was the convent, Rafat, Jerusalem the village was about 1km East of the convent, along the ridge, at 31° 46' 25.90’’ N 34° 57' 34.90’’ E · What is also missing is Khirbet as Sureik; 31° 46' 39.20’’ N 34° 57' 09.20’’ E 400m away (ENE) from the convent · Dayr al-Shaykh 31° 44' 55.15’’ N 35° 04' 04.95’’ E · Deir Yassin · Ayn Karim · Ishwa · Islin · Ism Allah, Khirbat 31° 46' 59.05’’ N 34° 57' 20.55’’ E · Jarash · al-Jura 31° 45' 25.05’’ N 35° 08' 58.85’’ E · Kasla 31° 46' 51.65’’ N 35° 03' 03.70’’ E (Sheik Ahmad shrine 31° 46' 45.30’’ N 35° 02' 34.90’’ E) · al-Lawz, Khirbat 31° 46' 01.45’’ N 35° 06' 46.30’’ E · Lifta · al-Maliha · Nitaf aka Khirbet Natuf 31° 50' 13.25’’ N 35° 03' 58.65’’ E and shrine to Sheik Mas'ad · al-Qabu 31° 43' 39.90’’ N 35° 07' 12.40’’ E · Qalunya · al-Qastal · Ras Abu 'Ammar 31° 44' 17.00’’ N 35° 05' 32.75’’ E · Sar'a 31° 46' 28.90’’ N 34° 59' 08.15’’ E shrine Nabi Samil · Saris 31° 47' 52.60’’ N 35° 04' 27.55’’ E · Sataf31° 46' 10.90’’ N 35° 07' 34.80’’ E · Sheikh Badr · Suba · Sufla 31° 44' 04.40’’ N 35° 02' 28.90’’ E · al-Tannur, Khirbat 31° 42' 54.30’’ N 35° 03' 00.55’’ E · al-'Umur, Khirbat 31° 47' 33.30’’ N 35° 05' 55.30’’ E · al-Walaja
apologies
sorry if you had been waiting for these tiamut but I was resting my eyes after completing the other districts. My vision was beginning to go a bit fuzzy after spending a while pawing over maps with a magnifying glass....Ashley kennedy3 (talk) 05:31, 3 November 2009 (UTC)
- How could you apologize Ashley? Its a miracle that you continue to pump these out month after month. Only thanks are due. I'll continue adding more later today I hope. Cheers my friend. Tiamut 12:51, 3 November 2009 (UTC)
Always my pleasure to help out...Ashley kennedy3 (talk) 13:07, 3 November 2009 (UTC)
Odd bits to Dist of Jerusalem
Rafat, the village, gave its name to the modern convent built at Deir Rafat: The Shrine of Our Lady “Queen of Palestine” aka “Reginae Palestinae" (still extant at Deir Rafat). Now Convent, Christian retreat and orphanage. Deir Rafat is home to the Mony (Moni) Winery
Maliha: In the thirteenth century the Christian Georgian Orthodox order, based in the Monastery of the Holy Cross, possessed lands in the area and the village was probably settled by workers attached to the monastery.ref-Avraham Negev, Shimon Gibson (2005) Archaeological encyclopedia of the Holy Land Publisher Continuum International Publishing Group, ISBN 0826485715 p 435
District of Tiberias
‘Awlam, aka 'Ulam 32° 40' 04.15’’ N 35° 29' 58.00’’ E shrine to Sheik Dahwa · al Dalhamiyya, aka ed Delhemiyeh and Khirbet Dalhamiya 32° 39' 11.00’’ N 35° 34' 17.35’’ E also just to confuse matter further Ashdot Ya'akov is annotated as "Dalhamiya (Ashdot Ya'akov)" any takers? · Ghuwayr Abu Shusha, aka Ghuweir Abu Shusha 32° 51' 11.60’’ N 35° 30' 32.65’’ E 2 shrines Sheik Muhammad (one west, one south) · Hadatha, 32° 41' 00.60’’ N 35° 29' 18.80’’ E shrine Sheik Abu al Hija · al Hamma, 32° 41' 09.70’’ N 35° 39' 56.45’’ E on the Haifa spur line to Der'a lay within the DMZ · Hittin, · Kafr Sabt, · Lubiya aka Lubieh, South African Park was planted over the village remains. The Israeli town of Lavi was built further away (approx 1.5 km North East) on Lubya village lands. · The remains of Lubiya are south of the 77 while lavi is north of the 77, Givat Avni (1 Km east of the site of the remains of Lubiya) is closer to the remains of Lubiya than Lavi. · The South African Forest is another famous case of ripping out orchards replacing with pines and then calling it making Israel green. · Ma'dhar, 32° 41' 42.65’’ N 35° 28' 04.95’’ E · al-Majdal, Tiberias, · al Manara, Tiberias, 32° 45' 38.70’’ N 35° 32' 26.35’’ E the 0.5 sq km of Olive plantation · south of the village structures was ploughed under and replaced by bare ground in the Israeli programme "making the deserts bloom" · I'm making it up about it being part of a programme called "making the deserts bloom", however the 0.5 km plantation was ploughed up and left bare, not even a tree · al Manshiyya, are you sure that there was an al-Manshiyya in the District of Tiberias? Manshiyya Acre, Manshiyya Safad, Manshiyya Tulkarm even a Manshiyya Beisan but Tiberias? · al Mansura, Tiberias, 32° 53' 36.00’’ N 35° 24' 59.95’’ E · Khirbat Nasser al Din aka Nasir ad-Din, Nasr ed Din, Nasir ed Din, (mostly with the prefix Khirbet) 32° 46' 43.15’’ N 35° 31' 29.65’’ E · Nimrin, · al Nuqayb, aka Nuqeib 32° 47' 57.05’’ N 35° 38' 26.60’’ E on the Eastern side of the Lake · (clever place to put the village, I wasted 1/2 a day scouring the maps of the western side of the lake. Note to self look at article to see if there are any clues to where the place is) · Samakh, · al Samakiyya, aka Talhum 32° 52' 55.25’’ N 35° 34' 42.80’’ E, Tell Hum, Arab es Semakiyeh · al Samra, · al Shajara, · al Tabigha, · al ’Ubaydiyya, · Wadi al Hamam, · Khirbat al Wa’ra al-Sawda’, · Yaquq.
South African Forest (ruins of Lubiya)
The "Ruins of Lubiya" were euphemistically annotated as the "heaps" of Lubiya by Israeli cartographers in the 50s.
Lavi is a surname plucked from the Talmud (talmudic version of Levi) and plonked down on the new town of Lavi due to phonetic similarity and not through any biblical connection.
for further explanation of the ruins of Lubiya/Lubya and the South African Forest read;-
Uri Davis (2003) Apartheid Israel: possibilities for the struggle within Publisher Zed Books, ISBN 1842773399 pp 53-59
What the JNF South Africa doesn't bother to inform you about is the massive deforestation that was carried out to re-plant none productive Pine and Cypress trees.
Nur Masalha (2005) Catastrophe remembered: Palestine, Israel and the internal refugees : essays in memory of Edward W. Said (1935-2003) Publisher Zed Books, ISBN 1842776231 pp 192-193
The Khan while on what was village land is the other side of Giv'at Avni at coords 32° 46' 51.50’’ N 35° 26' 54.65’’ E
Nathan, Susan “The other side of Israel, my journey across the Jewish-Arab divide.” Harper perennial ISBN 0-00-719511-7 p 236
and why I'm using Lubiya. Lubiya is the transliteration used on the British mapping and I do not know what the better transliteration is. Books such as:-
Salomon E. Grootkerk (2000) Ancient sites in Galilee: a toponymic gazetteer Publisher BRILL, ISBN 9004115358 are a waste of book shelf space due to the fact that they use European transliteration and have absolutely no reference whatsoever to any Arabic when looking at the history of name changes.
odd bits to District of Tiberias
al Dalhamiyya; Fruma Zachs (2005) The making of Syrian identity: intellectuals and merchants in nineteenth century Beirut Publisher Brill, ISBN 9004141693, p 222 family of Wahyi al Din (1870s pan Arabist and council member of Beirut city council) moved to al Dalhamiyya.
It appears that Morris, yet again, only gives half the story of al Dalhamiyya. The inhabitants didn't evacuate on 15 April but remained, ran away from the advancing Haganah forces (but obviously not very far) as they returned and held on to their property until being forcibly evicted in November 1948.
Pappé, Ilan, (reprint 2007) The ethnic cleansing of Palestine, Oneworld Publications Limited, ISBN 978-1-85168-467-0 p 189 Dalhamiyya inhabitants evicted 5 November 1948 and land appropriated by the Kibbutz Ashdot Yaacov. quoting IDF archives; 51/1957, file 20/4. 11 November 1948
Manshiyya, Tiberias
Morris only mentions Manshiyya, Safad, Acre and Yaffa (Tulkarm). The maps of 42 only have Manshiyya Safad, Acre and Tulkarm. The 1946 maps also shows a Manshiyya in District of Beisan, the 1880s PEF don't have a Manshiyya in Tiberias area. Sami Hadawi, does not have anything on Manshiyya, Tiberias. The only mentions of manshiyya Tiberias is on the Palestine Remembered web site and the site gives 2 different positions, meaning that PR is not consistent within its site and if it is inconsistent then I tend to find it unreliable when not backed by other sources. So what do you want to do? My opinion is that Al-Manshiyya, Tiberias should be deleted until such time as a RS is found.
Bayyarat Hannun
32° 17' 33.00’’ N 34° 51' 41.55’’ E Morris village number 374 ordered out start of April 1948 Morris laughably refers to it as a "Migratory movement" (after an 1985 interview) it was a Bedouin village, with orchards and set fields for corn.
Daliyat al-Rawha
Daliyat al-Rawha also spelt Daliyat ar Ruha and Daliat-El-Ruha 32° 35' 28.15’’ N 35° 04' 41.00’’ E see Dalia, Israel see Morris (2006) p xvi village number 162 Military assault and whisper campaign on the village which according to WP:Dalia, Israel didn't exist?
Yosef Weitz (Director of the JNF lands department) on Palestinian Arab tenant Farmers:-
is not the time to be rid of them ? Why continue to keep in our midst these thorns at a time when they pose a danger to us? Our people as considering . Weitz Diary III p 223 entry for 11 January 1948. Morris (2006) pp 131 and 159
He organised the eviction of tenant farmers at Daliyat al-Ruha.Weitz Diary III p 256-257 entry for 26 March 1948. Morris (2006) pp 132 and 159
In reality, HGS began thinking of destroying the villages around the kibbutz shortly after Qawuqji launched his attack. On 5 April, HGS\Operations instructed the Golani Brigade: 'You must tell the following villages...that we cannot assure their safety and security, and that they must evacuate forthwith.' Among the four villages named were Abu Shusha, next to Mishmar Ha'emek, and Daliyat al Ruha and Rihaniya, 4-5 kilometres to the west-northwest. Morris (2006) pp 241 & 296
On 22 April, then Hagana command, agreed to provide the manpower and equipment to set up five new settlements, all on Jewishn owned (or non-Arab) land - at Khirbet ad Duweir, Kafr Misr, Ma'lul, Ashrafiya and Daliyat ar Ruha. Weitz Diary III p 271-272 entry for 22 April 1948. Morris (2006) pp 372 & 405
By June 1948 the palestinian Arab village of Daliyat al-Rawha had been erased. Almost certainly on the basis of a progress report from Weiz, Ben Gurion, on 16 June, partially summarised the destruction of villages to date: Al Mughar, Fajja, Biyar Adas have been destroyed. Miska, Beit Dajan (east of Tel Aviv), in Hula , Hawassa near Hiafa, al Sumeiriya near Acre and Ja'tun near Nahariya, Manshiya...near Acre, Daliyat ar Ruha has been destroyed and work is about to begin at Buteimat and Sabbarin. DBG-YH II p 523-24 Entry for 16 June 1948. Morris (2006) pp 350 and 398
According to the contemporaneous records the land was PICA owned with Palestinian Arab tenant farmers not quite what WP:Dalia, Israel states.
Dar al Hanun
Unrecognised village established in 1925.
Taayush; Voluntary Work Camp in the Unrecognized Village of Dar el-Hanun 16-18/8/2001
Taayush; July 14 courthouse in Haifa
Dar al-Hanun has been there 80 years, but state still refuses to recognize it By Yoav Stern Published Ha'aretz 6 May 2007 on the 41 maps it possibly appears as Rujm al Ahmar.
Association of 40 21 December 2008
Association of 40 21 December 2008
and the usual one rule for Jewish Israelis and another rule for Palestinian Israelis
User:Keverich1
Jiujitsuguy canvassing Keverich1 and then No More Mr Nice Guy grooming Jiujitsuguy (note; Jiujitsuguy after making 20 edits already knows who is pro-Israeli?)
User Keverich1 likes to demonise, Walter Guinness, 1st Baron Moyne given that Hitler himself didn't invade Poland but the German Army did, Keverich1 removed nuance to insert demonisation.
I was so amused by this edit...it takes one, to know one? LOL! Cheers, Huldra (talk) 23:22, 8 October 2009 (UTC)
It is ammussing that the pro-Israeli faction spend more time on wiki-Lawyering and searching for alleged infractions than on editing....Ashley kennedy3 (talk) 12:56, 12 October 2009 (UTC)
- You know, I *almost* believed Millmoss....he protested soooo strongly that he wasn´t Nocal/LoverOfTheRussianQueen etc. Then I noticed something strange...and fancy that; after that he became awfully quiet..Lol! Huldra (talk) 10:30, 26 October 2009 (UTC)
Sheikh Bureik
Hi, hope you are surviving...here is a little task for you, see Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Palestine/Sheikh Bureik? Do you have any idea as to the co-ords?...if you go to the Beit She'arim National Park-article...click on the "Israel in Photos" external link at the bottom; you will see the shrine...Cheers, Huldra (talk) 23:17, 8 October 2009 (UTC)
Yes I do know the coords. 32° 40’ 17.75’’ N 34° 56’ 21.50’’ E... next to the motor way (2) just South-East of Neve Yam...Ashley kennedy3 (talk) 12:43, 12 October 2009 (UTC)
Someone tell Himalaya that the coords are done...Ashley kennedy3 (talk) 11:30, 14 October 2009 (UTC)
Huldra, Zero has given you access to a good series of British Mandate maps; unfortunately of the series of 12 maps covering British mandated Palestine only 8 are available in the Florida library. Guess what; Sheikh Bureik is on Map sheet 3 Zikhron Ya'aqov Map ref 145E 231N marked as Kh Sh Bureik from the University of Florida Smathers Library...Sheikh Bureik is/was north of al Tantura, south of Atlit, west of Ein Carmel South West of al Mazar on the coastal plain bordered by the coast highway 2.... Ashley kennedy3 (talk) 17:28, 14 October 2009 (UTC)
- Are you sure about this?? --there were *two* Sheikh Bureik; read the discussion here: User_talk:Al_Ameer_son#Sheikh_Bureik, ...I hope you have not given me the co-ords to the wrong one?? I´m collecting sources for a total of 4 new achitect. articles, see:
- If you know of any more sources: do tell! take care, Huldra (talk) 22:28, 15 October 2009 (UTC)
The Google map position is the position I have given co-ordinates for. Or rather I've given the position slightly further west as per the old maps in the national Forest planted over the village alongside the coastal route 2....I'll look for the 2nd Sheik Bureik and try to establish which one is which .....Ashley kennedy3 (talk) 23:14, 15 October 2009 (UTC)
The Northern Sheik Bureik or Shyah Abaryek is by Tivon and the Beit Shearim Jewish necropolis and has nothing to do with the Sheik Bureik Islamic shrine at Sheik Bureik, Haifa. I've given you the co-ords for the Islamic shrine Sheik Bureik, Haifa...(both are in National Forests)...Ashley kennedy3 (talk) 23:36, 15 October 2009 (UTC)
- Ok; you have given me the *wrong* coords then :( ..if you look at the this file: http://en.wikipedia.org/File:Sheikh_Abreik_Grave_in_Kiryat_Tiv'on,_Israel.jpg..it is clearly by Beit Shearim (which is NOT only a wholly Jewish necropolis; that was sort of the point...) Also, if you look at the "external links" under Beit She'arim National Park: "Israel in photos"..you will see the shrine...Huldra (talk) 00:43, 16 October 2009 (UTC)
- Read this note from Zero: Huldra (talk) 00:46, 16 October 2009 (UTC)
Got ya. Ash sh Bureik Beit Shearim national forest map ref to the F J Salmon mapping 162500E 234000N. coords are 32° 42’ 16.20’’ N 35° 07’ 45.70’’ E. However the Salmon mapping indicates the shrine at Kh Ash Sheik Bureik at co-ords 32° 42’ 07.65’’ N 35° 07’ 44.75’’ E (a short distance along the ridge from Ash Sheik Bureik, the funny little semi circles indicate tombs, shrines and ruins on the F J Salmon mapping unfortunately most of the military versions omitted parts of the Legend so as not to confuse the soldiers)...Ashley kennedy3 (talk) 01:15, 16 October 2009 (UTC)
- Ok; thanks, I´ve taken the second set then; I assume that was for the shrine (the village was apparently to the north of the shrine), Huldra (talk) 01:24, 16 October 2009 (UTC)
As zero correctly pointed out the shrine was close by spot height 137 metres....his overlay agreed with the Salmon mapping, so I would take that as confirmation for the coords at Kh ash Sheik Bureik (the second set, 32° 42’ 07.65’’ N 35° 07’ 44.75’’ E)....Ashley kennedy3 (talk) 01:35, 16 October 2009 (UTC)
What strikes me as unusual is that at a time when the use of Hellenic/Greek was very much frowned upon by Judaism that the necropolis is full of Greek inscriptions...Ashley kennedy3 (talk) 01:44, 16 October 2009 (UTC)
- Ok, thanks; have added the co-ords...as for the rest: see the discussion Zero &I have had on each orhers talk-pages...And *do* read the Sharon-pages (through google), which are linked now in the article...Huldra (talk) 01:49, 16 October 2009 (UTC)
The Sharon link was good but the PEF's SWP was absolutely fascinating...note the survey of Sheik Breik area was started by the PEF on 26th November 1872 and sergeant Black was assaulted (ref p 24 of SWP)....Ashley kennedy3 (talk) 03:16, 16 October 2009 (UTC)
- Hmm, *please* give direct link, this time to SWP, 1881, I, p.24..I think he was assaulted by the villagers of el Harithiyeh.....(wherever that was..) ..And yeah, I *know*...there is *tons* of info to be added.... and I got the SWP-link from Sharon (it was not online when the book was published!) Huldra (talk) 04:51, 17 October 2009 (UTC)
(Beit Shearim) 1936- 1940 excavation of Beit Shearim necropolis and town conducted by B Mazar.
Avraham Negev, Shimon Gibson (2005) Archaeological encyclopedia of the Holy Land Publisher Continuum International Publishing Group, ISBN 0826485715, p 48
I was just following the dates of the original surface survey and the early digs around Sheik Bureik, a wee bit different to the info available in the current article...Ashley kennedy3 (talk) 11:39, 17 October 2009 (UTC)
It was on the questions of Jewish Life in the Galilee in the “post-destruction” period that Bet She’arim excavations focused (1936-1940). Bet She’arim ”is known in Jewish literary sources as a city of the late Second temple Period and continued to exist during the centuries immediately following the Temples destruction” (Mazar 1973:1). Bet She’arim and “its neighbourhood” were initially possessions of the Hasmoneans (4). While its fate in the immediate aftermath of the “Jewish war” (i.e., late first century C.E.) is obscure (in literary sources), it appears that in the last quarter of the second century, Bet She’arim was a Jewish agricultural settlement and the home of one of the important Tannaim ” (ibid.) Moreover, “the change which came about in the Jewish settlements of the Galilee after the Bar Kochba Revolt (132-35 C.E.) marked a turning point in the history of Beth She’arim” (ibid.) It was in the aftermath of that defeat that “many Jews including leaders and sages, who had been forced to leave their homes in Judah, came to Galilee, settling Bet She’arim and its environs. The Antonine-Severine period (138-235 C.E.) was one of growth and posterity for Jewish settlements in the lower Galilee. Bet She’arim...grew to become one of the most important centers of Judaism in the days of Rabbi Judah ha-Nassi” (ibid)
...Bet She’arim may well have ceased to exist as a Jewish city at the end of the fourth century...
Nadia Abu El-Haj (2001) Facts on the ground: archaeological practice and territorial self-fashioning in Israeli society Publisher University of Chicago Press, ISBN 0226001954 p 81
Sheik Bureik near Atlit
Not known to many, but forever remembered by its former residents - the story of the Armenian village Sheikh Brak is one of Israeli ambivalence toward the Armenian Holocaust.
The unseen village By Sara Leibovich-Dar Published Ha'aretz 26 May 2003
- Ah, this was a very interesting article. The mausoleum mentioned in the article is described in Petersen, 2002, "A Gazetteer of Buildings in Muslim Palestine", pp 215, 216, also Figure 71, under the heading of "Malaha". Petersen gives the location as 32.40N/34.56E. According to figure 71, the tomb has *one* dome (unlike the other Sheikh Bureik, which has two). Also according to Petersen, it was mentioned in 1596-dafar (HG, p. 158) with 8 households. Also according to Petersen, it is mentioned in SWP, p.289 and p.314, p.315. According to Petersen, p 215: "The site does not appear to have been inhabited in the Mandate period, apart from temporary occupation around the shrine of Shaykh Burayk". Maybe an article in the future, *if* we could get a picture...Cheers, Huldra (talk) 00:39, 9 November 2009 (UTC)
You're welcome Huldra...Ashley kennedy3 (talk) 02:02, 9 November 2009 (UTC)
Ein Hod/Ayn Hawd
| Ein Hawd | |
|---|---|
| Hebrew transcription(s) | |
| • unofficial | Ayn Hawd |
 Atlit and vicinity in the 1870s (actually its the 1880 map based on the PEF's SWP but with other info added ie caption is dubious and should be tagged or changed to reflect reality that is Atlit and vicinity in the 1880s see Atlit) | |
| Etymology: Spring of the trough | |
 Ein Hawd | |
| Coordinates: 32°41′30.15″N 35°00′00.80″E / 32.6917083°N 35.0002222°E / 32.6917083; 35.0002222 | |
| Country | Israel |
| District | Haifa |
| Population | 65 |
On a side note; cartographic evidence, note that the orchards surrounding Ein Huad on the new series maps were uprooted by the JNF and replanted with cypresses as a national park during the "greening of Israel". How uprooting productive orchards that had been cultivated for generations and replanting with cypresses can be called making Israel green I'll never understand....Ashley kennedy3 (talk) 20:04, 14 October 2009 (UTC)
Susan Nathan in an interview with Abu Hayja describes the uprooting of Orchards on the Carmel Mountains around Ayn Hawd and subsequent re-forestation with pines and cypresses. Remarking that the 'buy a tree for Israel' was used as a weapon in the war against the Palestinian Israeli population of Ayn Hawd. Where the borders of the national Forest were set close to the Palestinian Israeli village of Ayn Hawd, with no allowance made for 'natural growth', while the national forest borders where set well outside the Jewish Israeli villages of Ein Hod and Nir Ezion to allow for plenty of 'natural growth'.
Susan Nathan (2005) The Other side of Israel Published Harper Perennial ISBN 0-00-719511-7 pp 129-130.
Funny how Ein Hod doesn't also direct to the Palestinian Israeli village of Ein Hawd (ecept in a very prefunctionary manner) not even in the see also section.
Initially the Israeli approved name given to the village by locals was Kefar Abû al-Hayjā. In 1978 the villagers were able to reclaim the name Ein Houd. Susan Slyomovics (1998) The Object of Memory: Arab and Jew Narrate the Palestinian Village University of Pennsylvania Press, ISBN 0812215257 pp 120-121
The hebrewdisation has caused a fundamental name change; while Hebrew Ein and Arabic Ayn both mean a spring, while the phonetically similar Hod and Hawd have different meanings, Ein Hod: spring of glory, Ayn Hawd: spring of the trough.
The Ayn Hawd redirect should be turned into a dis-ambiguous page directing to Ein Hod and Ayn Hawd (the hebrewdised Ein should be dropped and replaced with the Arabic transliteration Ayn)
F J Salmon Mapping
- on another side note we could do with an article on the Fredrick John Salmon maps (he was the director of Survey and the land office when the maps, that zero linked to, were produced). Although F J Salmon was more cadastraly (land use and ownership) inclined he produced those lovely topographical maps (although the series in Florida University is the later military version).
Note: the early part map of 'Ain Haud and Atlit area without the (military) grid overlay. More use of colour, more annotations of features, no contour lines and greater cadastral detailing. The Sheik Abreik tomb is annotated rather than the later dot and half crescent moon symbol.
Article request
Palestine Investment Fund (PIF)
The fund (with $872m of assets) has re-emerged from Fatah control to what looks like a good investment vehicle to develop Palestine. So far the auspices look good, if it can get passed the Israeli building restrictions on Palestinians building for Palestinian "natural" growth within the West Bank. The PIF was initially established in 1995 and then later re-established in Palestine by decree of the President of the Palestinian National Authority (Arafat) on 1st October, 2000. It is a separate legal entity that aims to acquire/invest, and to sell/dispose off Portfolio Investments, Liquid Investments, and Temporary Investments that promote economic growth and infrastructure development in Palestine."
US Department of State Remarks by US Secretary of State Warren Christopher During the Announcement of Qatari-Palestinian Investment Fund 29 October 1995 at Marriott Hotel Amman, Jordan
Palestinian Investment Fund, No Longer Secret, Will Close By WILLIAM A. ORME Jr. Published New York Times 7 July 2000 (Dooh Mr Orme as it wasn't a secret 5 years previously it could hardly be called a secret in 2000, or maybe secret to Mr Orme means un-aware of what's public knowledge)
An independent Palestinian Company, with all its assets and capital belonging to the Palestinian people. PIF aims to develop a sustainable, strong Palestinian National Economy, through different strategic investments in association with the private sector, Palestine Investment Fund (PIF)
Disagreements within the management board over the mechanism for managing the PIF's investments in Arab countries led to businessman Samir Said Khouri and businessman Engineer Jawdat al-Khudari submitting resignations in March 2005.
At the time when investment in Palestine was being encouraged not merely to increase the size of the economy, but also to increase private sector employment, generate income, and improve living standards US lawyers froze the US funds of the PIF. Palestinian Authority's US assets are frozen By Farah Stockman, Globe Staff Published Boston Globe 30 August 2005
Overseas Private Investment Corporation, OPIC, in partnership with the World Bank's International Finance Corporation, the United Kingdom's Department for International Development, the Palestine Investment Fund, and the Bank of Palestine, created a $500 million mortgage lending facility (AMAL, Affordable Mortgage and Loan company) in the West Bank.UNISPAL press release Remarks by US Treasury Deputy Secretary Robert M. Kimmitt at the Palestine Investment Conference 21 may 2008 US Gov press release 29 April 2008 Overseas Private Investment Corporation press release 14 April 2008
Mohammad Mustafa, the chairman (assuming the leadership of PIF in 2006) and CEO of the PIF, doubled as Abbas's chief economic adviser. Debate over control of Palestinian investment fund Published Reuters 28 April 2009
Palestine Investment Fund was a Fatah/PLO controlled portfolio; the administration and control was transferred to the Palestinian authority and administered by a reform-minded finance minister, Salam Fayyad.
Wataniya International Wataniya Palestine Telecom (WPT) is owned and controlled by the PIF in partnership with National Mobile Telecommunications Company (NMTC) (NMTC is owned by; 51% owned by Qatar Telecom QSC, Qtel, and 43% owned by PIF). WPT was established in December 2006 as a partnership between NMTC and the PIF. Wireless Federation Qtel Mobile press release note Wataniya Mobile has threatened to withdraw from Palestine if the 4.8MHz frequencies are not provided.
Wataniya hoped to launch last April, but unwittingly became a political pawn in clashes between Israel and the Palestinian Authority. Tensions piqued last week when the government, which controls the airwaves in the Palestinian territories, threatened to withhold Wataniya's spectrum indefinitely unless the PA dropped its demand for Israel Defense Forces officers to be tried at the International Criminal Court. This followed the publication of the controversial Goldstone report, which accuses both Israel and Hamas militants of war crimes during the December-January hostilities in Gaza.
gosh how did I know there was going to be trouble over Wataniya? Another example of Israeli destruction of palestinian infrastructure and economy. The 800lbs gorilla in the room beating its chest - again.
As if this was not enough, the Israeli media reported that Jerusalem had delivered an “ultimatum” to the Palestinian Authority: if the request for a debate were not withdrawn, Israel would not authorize the frequency allocation for a second Palestinian cellular telephone company, “al-Wataniya”, whose partners, it was gleefully reported, include Abbas’ sons. Such a frequency allocation is worth hundreds of millions of dollars. Even in such a matter, the Palestinians are totally dependent on the Israeli occupation authorities.
The Slippery Slope By Uri Avnery Published in PalestineChronicle.com. October 2009
Jordanian support for the PIF. Jordan supports Palestine’s investment conference Jordanian Gov Press release 13 Feb 2006.
The PIF is one of the latest wave of smaller sovereign wealth funds that appear to be allocating to hedge funds. HFM
Blair Hails Economic Steps in West Bank
Note the New York Times now refers to the West Bank as Palestine. (see google earth New York times layer. only recently as there are only 2 articles on the layer from 10 November 2009)
Be aware of pro-Israeli propagandists using the PIF assets as a means of casting aspersions of financial irregularities at Arafat.
- On a somewhat related subject, you might want to take a look at this, concerning "positive economic inducement strategies (PEIS) as part of U.S. involvement in Israeli-Palestinian negotiations in the 1990s." Regards, CasualObserver'48 (talk) 01:04, 15 October 2009 (UTC)
- On that note you may want to take into account that US economic inducement strategies have had a negative effect on the economies it induces, due to the strings attached. The US economic strategies have destroyed the mangrove swamps that protected the South East Asian coastline as well as the rice paddies in the coastal hinterlands. Joseph Stiglitz gives a far more comprehensive account of US economic inducement strategies. MERIA is for jingoistic tub-thumpers with an attention span too short to read a book....Besides which; the 800 lbs gorilla in the room is the fragility of the economy of Palestine due to the ability of the Israeli occupation forces to arbitrarily close the West Bank. The Israeli government may have removed 25 road blocks but that still leaves 600 road blocks to go. The main one being the Alenby Bridge and access to the Jordanian market....Ashley kennedy3 (talk) 09:02, 15 October 2009 (UTC)
- LOL, I am glad it was so helpful. CasualObserver'48 (talk) 15:10, 15 October 2009 (UTC)
- The MERIA article left an awful lot unsaid, implied that the US and the West was the only donor to Palestine. Whereas the main donor is Europe followed by Arab league with the US filling a minor slot. The US is a major donor in the region only by dint of the cash to Israel (and increasingly to Egypt). The MERIA article gathered the aid to Palestine and Israel into one lump, as though the proportion to Israel was equal to the US aid to Palestine, which it definitely is not. As the first sentence of the MERIA article says US aid is to advance US interests in the region and not to advance Palestinian interests...Anything that MERIA prints needs to be taken with a large pinch of salt...Ashley kennedy3 (talk) 20:11, 15 October 2009 (UTC)
- Re: Your first sentence: the article stayed on its topic, apparently you know more for a larger one. Second sentence: Obviously you do; why is the US contrib. so small, the article discusses several reasons within a context, but there are others. Third: Including the commitments made at Camp David, which you note. Fourth: Again, you know more; do you have a ref for that number or percent-split? That is a valid criticism, if it is not noted. Fifth: While I could not find that sentence, I’ll take your word for it and reply in the following para. Lastly, rest assured that my editorial diet is not salt-free.
- The MERIA article left an awful lot unsaid, implied that the US and the West was the only donor to Palestine. Whereas the main donor is Europe followed by Arab league with the US filling a minor slot. The US is a major donor in the region only by dint of the cash to Israel (and increasingly to Egypt). The MERIA article gathered the aid to Palestine and Israel into one lump, as though the proportion to Israel was equal to the US aid to Palestine, which it definitely is not. As the first sentence of the MERIA article says US aid is to advance US interests in the region and not to advance Palestinian interests...Anything that MERIA prints needs to be taken with a large pinch of salt...Ashley kennedy3 (talk) 20:11, 15 October 2009 (UTC)
http://www.haaretz.com/news/international/palestinian-authority-faces-cash-crunch-as-arab-states-cut-aid-1.309025 Arab League aid at 22%
- As with any country, US foreign aid is to advance US interests in the region. The problem is in defining what those national interests really are, balancing competing ones, and balancing what/who defines them; it exists as an imperfect balance between true national interests, a generally uninformed electorate and an inordinate domestic political influence, as the article notes, and all at tax-payer expense. US policy should never be to advance either Palestinian or Israeli interests, mutual ones, yes. Currently defined issues include Palestinian rights and Israeli security; the road ahead is clear, yet the commitment to get there seems insufficient, given the militant maximalists on both sides and one's influence here. It will take tightening the purse-strings or a couple more elections in various places. Concerning the recent US election, I will note with some metaphorical glee, that our foreign policy head seems to have been pulled from some alternate-world asshole, and has started breathing again. Regards, CasualObserver'48 (talk) 08:52, 16 October 2009 (UTC)
As the majority of the aid to Palestinians is EU and Arab League, US aid is not likely to advance US interests very much. And as Israel ignores US requirements, even though Israel is the major recipient of US aid; it looks like the US taxpayer is getting a bad deal...As to should advance mutual interests, the US economists appear to have been of the opinion that 'he who pays the piper calls the tune' and no acknowledgement to the mutual side...Ashley kennedy3 (talk) 14:17, 16 October 2009 (UTC)
additional info on Burayka
32° 33' 29.05’’ N 34° 58' 39.40’’ E
Burayka also variously spelt Bureika (for alternative spelling see note 613 on page 297 to page 243 in Morris' book, Morris uses Bureika in the main text and Burayka in the notes) destroyed by the British Army in 1938 still derelict in May 1940. Ref Dov Gavish (2005) A survey of Palestine under the British Mandate, 1920-1948 Volume 3 of Routledge Curzon studies in Middle Eastern history Publisher Routledge, ISBN 0714656518 p 186 (hence the school closing during the British mandate period?)
(quote)(27). Khubbeiza (Haifa area. Arab sources refer to a massacre. Israeli sources make no mention of a massacre, but acknowledge that Kubbeiza was one of the four villages attacked by the IZL. In the same operation which attacked Khubbeiza, Sabbarin, Umm Shouf and Bureika massacres did occur in two of these four.
Abu Sitta , The Palestinian Holocaust (Al nakba) 1948, The register of Depopulated Localities in Palestine, Preliminary draft. 1997, 10, is the Arab source. Morris, see note 5, map, identifies 12-14 May as date of IZL occupation. On 243-244, Morris reports: “IZL forces...on 12 May attacked and cleared the last Arab villages in the Hills of Menashe...The dissidents attacked Sabbarin, al Sindiyana, Bureika, Khubbeiza and Umm al Shauf.” The Hagana often tried to distance itself from the IZL and Lehi by describing them as “dissidents,” though the British High Commissioner for Palestine, Sir Alan Cunningham, discounts this claim.
Editors Eyal Benvenisti, Chaim Gans, Sārī Ḥanafī (2007) Israel and the Palestinian refugees, Publisher Springer, ISBN 3540681604 Saleh Abdel Jawad, Zionist Massacres: The Creation of the Palestinian refugee problem p 109.(unquote)
Benny Morris p. xvi village number 161 cause of depopulation; fall of nearby town (C) (however in main text of Morris' book he reports attacks by IZL clearing the villagers)
p. 130 The inhabitants of Bureika, south east of Zikhron Ya’akov, were apparently ordered at the beginning of March by the AHC to evacuate so that the the village might serve as a base for attack by irregulars on the Hiafa-tel Aviv road. But most or all of the villagers appeared to have stayed put.
And from page 97 opposed the garrisoning of ALA forces.
An epilogue to the battle was provided by the IZL, whose units from Zikhron Ya’akov, Hadera, Binyamin and Netanya on the 12 may attacked and cleared the last Arab villages in the Hills of Menashe, overlooking Mishmar Ha’emek from the West. The Dissidents attacked Sabbarin, al Sindiyana, Bureika, Khubbeiza and Umm al Shauf. Many villagers had fled during the previous weeks. Sabbbarin had been ordered by Umm al Fahm’s leaders to stay put. But most of the remaining villagers fled as the Jewish forces approached and laid down mortar fire. pp 243-244
- Morris, Benny, (second edition 2004 third printing 2006) The Birth Of The Palestinian Refugee Problem Revisited, Cambridge University Press, ISBN 0-521-00967-7
either Morris didn't read what he wrote or Morris is utterly disingenuous.
Rashad Shawa Cultural Center
The Rashad Shawa Cultural Center, located in Rimal is a two-storey building with a triangular footprint designed by Sa'ad Mohaffel competed in 1988 and named after its founder, Palestinian Nationalist and former mayor Rashad al-Shawa. The cultural center performs five main functions; a meeting place for large gatherings during annual festivals, a place to stage exhibitions, a conference centre, a playhouse and as a library. PCHR press release11 December 1997 Iqbal Tamimi – Duraid Laham drinks the toast of his homeland in Gaza, but how drunk Palestinians should become? By Iqbal Tamimi 26 July 2009 Archnet Digital Library
The large stained-glass windows incorporated in the culture centre were executed by the Gazan artist Leila (Rashad) Shawa, daughter of Rashad Shawa.
Gaza’s culture of resistance was evidenced with the first screening of Gaza’s home grown film industry offering of “Imad Aqil” in August 2009
First of its kind film festival in Gaza By Nelly Al-Masri/Common Grounds News Service
The centre has run a satirical play called al-Watan (The Nation).Hamas and Fatah in the dock for 'audacious' new drama in Gaza City By Agence France Presse (AFP) Published Daily Star (Lebanon) 18 August 2007, which puts the kibosh on those that believe that Hamas run the place with an iron fist.
al-Ramadien
Hebron Govenorate, more correctly should be Ar Ramadin 31° 22' 33.30’’ N 34° 54' 20.55’’ E (present coords are for the original village depopulated in 1948).
Children and minors in the Israeli–Palestinian conflict.
Although his eight siblings are trying to engage him in play, Youssef is hanging onto his mother. This two-year-old was born and has, so far, lived in a prison cell with mother Fatma "Al-Zaq", a Palestinian woman who was detained in Hasharon Prison in central Israel until released on Friday as part of the "videotape deal" between Hamas and Israel.
Youssef, the first Palestinian child to be born and raised behind Israeli prison bars, is still uncomfortable in his new environment.
Seal no deal by Saleh El-Naami Published Al Ahram Weekly issue 967 8-14 October 2009
Naom Tibon
Outgoing Division Commander Tibon said that “from the moment I received the position in July of 2007 I was aware of my full responsibility, as Commander of Judea and Samaria, for the security of the State of Israel. Together with my comrades in the security forces, we brought terror to its lowest level in the past decade, with thousands of brave and dangerous actions carried out by thousands of soldiers and commanders. I am a great believer in the idea that terror is eliminated not just through force but also through creating hope and normalcy in the Palestinians' lives for a better future of dialogue.”
How over 600 road blocks can be considered as normal, I cannot comprehend. How the events in Hebron can be considered as normal, I cannot comprehend. How an ongoing military occupation can be considered as normal is something that I personally have a problem comprehending. Obviously Tibon has a somewhat skewed notion of what is normal.
Bayt Jibrin and James Leslie Starkey
(Bayt Jibrin) British archaeologist James Leslie Starkey is best known for his work at Lachish (Tel ed-Duweir), where he excavated under the auspices of the Palestine Exploration Fund Wellcome-Marston Archaeological Research Expedition to the Near East; supported and financed by largely funded by Sir Henry Wellcome, founder of the Wellcome Trust, and initially by H. Dunscombe Colt and carried out from 1932 to 1938 (1938 season was carried out by Tufnell). Starkey's murder occurred on his way to the inauguration of the Palestine Archaeological Museum (Rockefeller museum, the opening of which was postponed to the 13 January due to his death.). Starkey was a student of Flinders Petrie and an associate of Olga Tufnell. One of the important discoveries at Lachish made by Starkey and Tufnell were the Lachish ostraca (18 in 1935 and 3 more in 1938). Lachish Letters, letters sent by an officer, Hoshaiah, to the governor of Lachish describing the impending fall of the kingdom of Judah to the Babylonian forces of Nebuchadnezzar.
Two Palestinian Arab members of the band who had murdered Starkey were hanged in Jerusalem on 23 January, 1938.
Avraham Negev, Shimon Gibson (2005) Archaeological encyclopedia of the Holy Land Publisher Continuum International Publishing Group, ISBN 0826485715, p 48 ...
Margaret S. Drower (1995) Flinders Petrie: a life in archaeology Publisher University of Wisconsin Press, ISBN 0299146243 p 415
Palestine Exploration Fund, Profiles; James Leslie Starkey
Eric M. Meyers, American Schools of Oriental Research (1996) The Oxford encyclopedia of archaeology in the Near East, Volume 5 Publisher Oxford University Press, ISBN 0195065123 p 77
Alfred Rupert Hall and B. A. Bembridge (1986) Physic and philanthropy: a history of the Wellcome Trust, 1936-1986 Publisher CUP Archive, ISBN 0521326397 p 14 Ashley kennedy3 (talk) 03:26, 17 October 2009 (UTC)
Atlit
Missing from Atlit
Canaanite name was Qarta or Certha.
Later it was a Phoenician port constructed late-ninth or early-eighth century BCE (Radiocarbon analysis carried out by E. Boaretto on three samples of Lebanese cedar wedges that had been used to level the stone courses, ashlars, and straighten the stones)
The Phoenician Harbour of Atlit Despite the size and the sandy shores of the southern bay, the builders selected the northern bay to serve as the city's main harbour. This side is well protected from the dominant west and southwest winds by the promontory on its southwest and the two islets on its west that belong to the coastal sandstone ridge. The natural location of the bay exposed it only to the northern and eastern winds. (We may assume that the southern bay was used as an anchorage for small seacraft when the weather permitted it.) The gap between the promontory and the estuary of Nahal Oren, which runs into the northern bay of Atlit, provides a maximum wave force of only a few hundred meters, hence there are no risks of storm waves from that side. This is the reason for the choice of this position as the main entrance to the harbour. The harbour was divided into two symmetrical sectors, each consisting of a mole (protruding jetty) running perpendicular to a quay (Raban 1997a: 16), which together created a closed rectangular area of low water energy. An opening between the ends of the two moles served as the harbour entrance. The northern mole protected the harbour basin from the northern swell. Anchored to one of the sandstone islets, it was accessible only by sea. At a depth of one and a half to six meters below sea level, it would have allowed anchorage of bigger seacraft. The eastern side of the harbour is better sheltered. The southeastern quay abuts the coast at the foot of the ancient tell, slightly east of the crusader moat. This area may have served as the town's mercantile port. Johns exposed an older structure beneath crusader layers on the shoreline, north of the tell. The structure consisted of a stone-paved surface and two flanking towers. He named it the "Northern Gate" (Johns 1934:fig.4)-
Hellenic Adarus Jerusalemite Michael Avi-Yonah, Ephraim Stern (1978) Encyclopedia of archaeological excavations in the Holy Land Publisher Prentice-Hall, ISBN 0132751151 p 130 Walid Khalidi (1992) All that remains: the Palestinian villages occupied and depopulated by Israel in 1948 Publisher Institute for Palestine Studies, ISBN 0887282245, p 147
Bucolonpolis (strabo XVI 2 , 27)C. N. Johns, Denys Pringle (1997) Pilgrims' castle ('Atlit), David's Tower (Jerusalem), and Qal'atar-Rabad ('Ajlun): three Middle Eastern castles from the time of the crusades Publisher Variorum, ISBN 0860786277 p 51
First Crusades Castle (knights Templar) called Dustrey (corruption of District or Destroit) at Khirbet Qarta inland built in 1118 (Demolished during the siege of 1220). New Castle built on the promontory called variously Chateau Pelerin and Castrum Peregrinorum (castle of the pilgrims) in 1218-1220 AD. Claude R. Conder (1878) Tent Work in Palestine: A Record of Discovery and Adventure; Reprinted (2002) Publisher Adamant Media Corporation, ISBN 1402189877 p 199
The Atlit fortress was used by the Templars to dominate a large area of Galilee until Baybars repaired the Fortress of Qaqun as his "subjects in that place needed a place of protection." The Templars dominance declined until the Templars finally quit and left for Rhodes in 1291. Kristian Molin (2001) Unknown crusader castles Publisher Continuum International Publishing Group, ISBN 1852852615 p 70. Atlit Fortress was repaired and held by the Mamlukes after the crusaders left for Rhodes.
Atlit was one of the harbours where pilgrims landed in the 13th century and was mistakenly referred to as the site of ancient Tyre. Claude R. Conder (1878) p 200
1296 a Tatar tribe, the 'Uwayrat were settle in the area
During the Ottoman era, Atlit provided a source of good building materials and the governors of Haifa, Acre and Beirut used the hewn stone of Atlit in building their respective cities. Carl Ritter Translated by William Leonard Gage (1866) The comparative geography of Palestine and the Sinaitic Peninsula, Volume 4 Publisher D. Appleton and co. , p 285
In spring of 1799 the port served as one of the French navy ports during Napoleon's failed expedition to conquer Acre.
Survey of Western Palestine described a hamlet of adobe bricks with about 200 Arab inhabitants.
In 1903 Baron Edmond de Rothschild sought a firman on a tract of land in the area of Atlit, to drain the swamps within a fixed period, from the Ottoman Governor of the Beirut District, the firman was never confirmed, as required by Ottoman Imperial edict, from Istanbul and was therefore never officially granted.
In July 1920 Rothschild approached the British Administration to procure a concession similar to the Firman he had sought from the Ottoman Governor of Beirut. The Land Commission recommended granting the PICA’s request in the form of a long-term lease, including the provision for establishing a Jewish settlement. On 8 November, 1921, Abramson and PICA representatives finalized the agreement. It granted the PICA a one-hundred-year renewable lease to approximately 40-50,000 dunams, along with rights to "improve and develop" the marshland and sand dunes included therein. ref: Lease Agreement of 8 November 1921, Israel State Archive (2) L/24/34 (1921); Gregory Blue, Martin P. Bunton and Ralph C. Croizier (2002) Colonialism and the modern world: selected studies Publisher M.E. Sharpe, ISBN 0765607727 p 155 note 35, at 149 n.15. As the area was not yet surveyed, it was impossible to know the exact area of land included in the agreement.
The lawyer Wadi Bourstany was then retained by the 850 indigenous inhabitants (Palestinian Bedouin of Zor al Zerka and Barrat Caesarea) to retain their land use rights, that had existed under the Ottomans and were documented in the Ottoman records. p 149
A Jewish settlement was established, the first Jewish inhabitants consisted of five families from Zichron Ya'acov. Atlit was not a prosperous Jewish settlement initially. It took another three years for six more families to join the initial five, by 1922 the Jewish settlement still only had 12 houses. A salt factory was established by a new immigrant from Russia in 1922.
In July 1924 the engineering works to drain the marshes and stabilise the sand dunes was initiated. Shortly afterwards the Bedouin of Zor al Zerka accepted compensation in relationship to the easement on land rights.
In 1928 court proceedings were initiated by the indigenous inhabitants (Palestinian Bedouin of Barrat Caesarea) to assert their rights of land use after protracted negotiations failed to produce a settlement.
The Pre-Pottery Neolithic Site of Atlit-Yam, Israeli Antiquities Authority Tsunami or melting glaciers: What caused ancient Atlit to sink? By Ofri Ilani Published Ha’aretz 4 June 2008
7 October 1948 The Haifa District HQ issued orders to the 123 Battalion to halt all demolition activities at Atlit. Morris (2006) p 354.
Missing from Atlit detainee camp
Out of the approx 50 year history of Atlit detainee camp 40 years of that history are apparently missing.
In 1935 there were 250 members of the Nazi Party in Palestine, and in January 1938 the number had grown to 330 (17 percent of German nationals in Palestine). But the outbreak of World War II was the beginning of the end of Templer settlement in Palestine. The British government declared them enemy nationals, and they were placed under arrest in the colonies of Waldheim and Sharona, or were sent to the detention camp in Atlit. In the summer of 1941, 665 detainees were expelled to Australia, with 1,052 remaining in the detention camps in Palestine.
The nine lives of the Lorenz Cafe By Adi Schwartz Published Ha'aretz 20 January 2008
"Black Sabbath" On June 29, 1946, 2,718 persons, 59 of whom were women, were placed in administrative detention in a nation wide British operation aimed at uncovering secret ammunition supplies. The detainees were taken to Atlit and then transferred, due to lack of space, to a makeshift detention camp in Rafah in the southern Gaza Strip. Among the prisoners were many leaders of the Jewish population in Palestine, including Rabbi Y.L. Fishman, Acting Chairman of the Board of the Jewish Agency, David Remez, Chairman of the National Committee, and Bernard Joseph and Yitzhak Greenbaum, members of the Board of the Jewish Agency
In 1948 Atlit detainee camp operated as a POW camp and civil internment camp. Some of the interned Palestinians were held for as long a seven years. The normal offer was release and be driven over the Jordanian border or remain incarcerated. (see Ayn Hawd, Abu Hayja remained incarcerated until released with right of residency in Israel where he became a DP within Israel but was able to rejoin his family and started building Ein Hawd)
Morris, Benny, (second edition 2004 third printing 2006) The Birth Of The Palestinian Refugee Problem Revisited, Cambridge University Press, ISBN 0-521-00967-7 p 467
To Mr. Dov Ben Alter Ha'adom, Abu Yusuf hello, I have received your letter today through a man from 'Ein Ghaza¯l regarding the engineer Etkes. Salomon, the lawyer from Haifa, also applied in this matter. Also, Mr. Hayyat of Haifa came and met the elders of Jaba' and promised to release five of the people the Jews captured in 'Atlit. Perhaps by tomorrow the exchange will be over and engineer Etkes will be released. He is in my home, healthy and well and honored as usual with the Arabs.
IDFA 4663/ 1949 file 46. The letter is dated 6 of July. The army document that quotes it is dated 10th of July.
Atlit camp was closed for a short period only to reopen as a POW camp for the 1967 war. Atlit camp , approx 5500 officers and soldiers Egyptian and Arab POWs interned after the 1967 war ... ref: False Israeli "Massacre" Story Resurrected Published CAMERA 4 March, 2007
Red Cross annual Review August 1967
Release of civilian prisoners at Atlith camp. -The ICRC delegation in Israel recently intervened on behalf of 40 Egyptian civilian prisoners interned at Atlith, released and repatriated on October 24 to El Arish and Gaza.
Red Cross annual Review December 1967
Simultaneously, the Israeli Government repatriated to Jordan the last prisoners of war still held at Atlith.
Relief Parcels to POW's. -For the fast of Ramadan, the delegation of the ICRC in Tel Aviv handed a parcel containing food, cigarettes, soap and one blanket to each of the 4,500 prisoners in Atlith camp, who were released shortly after.
On 7 August 1968, the Israeli Ministry of Foreign Affairs announced that all prisoners of war captured in June 1967 had been released and repatriated.
On 14 June 1967, ICRC delegates carried out their first visit to Atlith camp, which contained 6,120 men, including 5,611 prisoners of war. Two Egyptian prisoners of war were killed during incidents at Atlith Camp. (1 shot during riot 6 Nov 1967)
214 Syrian POWs held at Atlit with shared facilities with Egyptian POWs.
Israel. Miśrad ha-biṭaḥon (1977) Facts & documents on the treatment of prisoners of war: Yom Kippur war, Syrian front Publisher Ministry of Defence, Israel, pp 258 to 266
In October 1983 The ICRC was barred from visiting 700 to 800 prisoners who had been transferred from Ansar prison Lebanon to Atlit prison in September of that year. The ICRC protested to the Minister of Defense against this violation of the IV Geneva Convention. The detainees had been visited 3 times during September and October, prior to the ICRC being barred from pursuing its protection activities. ref: International committee of the Red Cross (ICRC) and David C. Wills (2003) The first war on terrorism: counter-terrorism policy during the Reagan administration Publisher Rowman & Littlefield, ISBN 0742531295 p 90.
Internment camp during the Israeli war on Lebanon PRISON: Atlit Townsfolk Are Bitter - Atlit Prison--an Israel Fixture - Townsfolk Bitter About Plan to Free 31 Muslims By Dan Fisher Published LA Times 24 June, 1985
see also Ayalon prison in Ramleh and Ketziot detention center, Negev.
Israel and the anti-Semitic canard
Lest we forget Judge Goldstone is also a Jew, therefore not supporting the Goldstone report could also, using the same logic as the Israeli Finance Minister, be called anti-Semitic. Actually more so, seeings as Goldstone is 100% Jewish while Israel is less than 75% Jewish.
Well worth the read
Military History
Haim Levenberg (1993) Military preparations of the Arab community in Palestine, 1945-1948 Publisher Routledge, ISBN 0714634395 p 127 al-Najjada
Land Use
Martin P. Bunton (2007) Colonial land policies in Palestine, 1917-1936 Publisher Oxford University Press, ISBN 0199211086
Michael R. Fischbach (2003) Records of dispossession: Palestinian refugee property and the Arab-Israeli conflict Publisher Columbia University Press, ISBN 0231129785
Culture
Margarita Skinner (2007) Palestinian embroidery motifs: a treasury of stitches 1850-1950 Publisher Melisende, ISBN 1901764478
An absolute MUST READ
Constantin-François Volney (1788) Travels through Syria and Egypt, in the years 1783, 1784, and 1785: Containing the present natural and political state of those countries, their productions, arts, manufactures, and commerce; with observations on the manners,customs, and government of the Turks and Arabs. Publisher printed for G.G.J. and J. Robinson.
Volney describes the area called by the inhabitants Falastin. (p 327)
Chapter on Palestine, ch 31. P 328 to 357
- Heh, I came across him, ages ago, writing about Daher el-Omar (Volney wrote the first (European) biography on him.) My favorite quote: "one may pass one´s whole lifetime in learning a great deal, and knowing nothing" p.447 Cheers! Huldra (talk) 00:42, 31 October 2009 (UTC)
Yes Volney did a fair piece on Acre, politics background etc. he remarks quite a bit about French factories all over the Levant but not much about the Levant company who were more active...Ashley kennedy3 (talk) 02:09, 31 October 2009 (UTC)
- Ah yes, but I think many Western writer *used* the Middle East to say something about their own world ...like Miller used the Salem Witch Hunt to say something about his McCartny USA. Anyway; according to Said ("Orientalism") ..Volney was a "textbook" for conquering the MiddleEast...a textbook that apparently Napoleon studied extensively! ...think about that, and the N´s slaughter at Jaffa---, when you read it. Cheers, Huldra (talk) 10:49, 31 October 2009 (UTC)
I did note the date of publication and the date of the Napoleonic invasion also that Volney was part of Napoleons government...Ashley kennedy3 (talk) 18:52, 31 October 2009 (UTC)
District/Sub-District
| District | Sub-District | Number of Villages | Number of Villages Destroyed |
|---|---|---|---|
| Galilee | Safad | 83 | 78 |
| Acre | 64 | 29 | |
| Tiberias | 29 | 24 | |
| Nazareth | 31 | 4 | |
| Baysan | 33 | 31 | |
| Haifa | Haifa | 72 | 45 |
| Samaria | Jenin | 19 | 6 |
| Tulkarm | 34 | 4 (possibly 6) | |
| Nablus | na. | na. | |
| Lydda | Ramla | 56 | 56 |
| Jaffa | 26 | 26 | |
| Jerusalem | Ramallah | na. | na. |
| Jerusalem | 41 | 37 | |
| Hebron | 19 | 15 | |
| Gaza | Gaza | 46 | 46 |
| Beersheba | 26 | 26 | |
| Totals | 579 | 427 (possibly 429) |
Michael R. Fischbach (2003) Records of dispossession: Palestinian refugee property and the Arab-Israeli conflict Publisher Columbia University Press, ISBN 0231129785 p 5 using Nijim, Basheer K (1984) Toward the de-Arabization of Palestine/Israel 1945-1977 Publisher Kendall/Hunt Pub. Co. for the Jerusalem Fund for Education and Community Development ISBN 0-8403-3299-8
Note: on the re-organisation of Northern Palestine during the British mandate period.
'On the 14th July for the purposes of administrative convenience the Northern District, which comprised the Phoenicia, Galilee and Samaria divisions, was reorganized as two Districts: the Haifa sub-districts (urban and rural) and the Samaria division remained under the District Commissioner, Haifa, and a new Galilee District comprising the Galilee Division and the Acre sub-district was created with Headquarters at Nazareth. The two Districts are called "Haifa and Samaria" and "Galilee and Acre" respectively.'
Beit HaShita
In July 1948 the area of Beit haShita was extended with the acquisition of 5,400 dunums from the Palestinian Arab villages of Yubla and al-Murassas.
Michael R. Fischbach (2003) Records of dispossession: Palestinian refugee property and the Arab-Israeli conflict Publisher Columbia University Press, ISBN 0231129785 p 13
Hagana/Irgun/Stern Gang cooperation coordination
October/November 1945
Just before my departure, one of the commanders of the Haganah (the Jewish self-defense organization) asked me to tell our friends in London of a tentative agreement with the dissidents in the Yishuv which would place them under central discipline and thus prevent complete chaos and terrorist dominance in its more devastating forms. The man asserted that he had succeeded in getting the extremists to accept public authority and that they would henceforth obey his orders. But he admitted that the agreement would be observed only if it led to a physical clash with the Mandatory Power. According to him, it was "an agreement to take action, and not an agreement to prevent it."
Horowitz, David (1953) State in the making. (Bi-shelihut medinah noledet) translated from the Hebrew by Julian Meltzer Publisher ALFRED A. KNOPF p 4
The first reports came through of attacks in all parts of the country, against the railroad system and at the Lydda rail-junction, in Haifa Harbor, and elsewhere. It was a very wide front and the British deduced, from the reports and spot information, that Haganah had participated in the large-scale operation and co-operated with the dissident groups.
Dr. Weizmann and Moshe Shertok were summoned to an interview with Ernest Bevin, the Foreign Secretary. They found him in wrathful and indignant mood. He upbraided them harshly and revealed that information in his possession showed this to have been a joint operation between Haganah and terrorist groups. In his view, the action taken was a declaration of war against Britain and he would employ the utmost measures to counter it.
Horowitz, David (1953) State in the making. (Bi-shelihut medinah noledet) translated from the Hebrew by Julian Meltzer Publisher ALFRED A. KNOPF p 16
note: The Ernest Bevin evidence was bound into a "white paper" and duly presented to the UN.
HRW in Israel
Rights Watchdog, Lost in the Mideast By ROBERT L. BERNSTEIN Published new York Times 19 October 2009
note: The disturbing part of Bernstein’s article is that he does not refute any of the claims made by HRW but merely that he disagrees with the presence of HRW in a “democratic country” and quite candidly remarks that the foundations of HRW was as an anti-Soviet and anti-PRC (China) political movement. Bernstein's assessment of the "Israeli free press" in the article is an assessment of the world press and omits that the world press is denied access to incidents such as the Israeli war against Gazans where the press was denied access to the Gaza strip from November 2008.
Nakba Denial and Competing Historiographies.
The official Israeli narrative mirrors the widely accepted North American founding myth of manifest destiny where settlers bring civilisation and economic advancement to a backward sparsely populated savage land.
The Nakba – Something that Did Not Occur (although it had to occur) Written by Eitan Bronstien Published Badil This article first appeared in Haq al-Awda (May 2004). Translation from Hebrew by Ingrid Jaradat Gassner.
Labor Min. to Lieberman: Nakba bill sullies Israel's image By Haaretz Service Published 19 July 2009
Denial and the future of peace By Ghada Karmi Published Al Ahram weekly 6-12 April 2000
Everything else can be denied. It can always be said that photographs of civilians killed were fabricated. The Palestinians' accounts can be dismissed as lies, intrigues of Hamas, embellishment or, at best, facts taken out of context since Gazans are, after all, afraid of what Hamas would do to them if they told the truth.
Invented History
Thus, for example, the Jews who acquired the home of the respected al Madi family in the village of Ijzim say that the house was a splendid Crusader castle; its present inhabitants are unable to believe that such a splendid structure was built by Arabs.
Benvenisti, Meron (2002) Sacred Landscape; the Buried History of the Holy Land Since 1948 University of California Press ISBN 0-520-23422-7 p 169
The Sabra tradition in Israeli society plays an important part in the lies and half truths Israel uses to excuse its behaviour.
a nation that “gets by,” that worships those who are best at “getting by”: Those who successfully cut as many corners as possible; those who know how to extract the most from the system; and mainly, those who don’t get caught. And if they are caught—get away with it.... A nation of people who want to do as they please. Who have found themselves a new philosophy that permits no one to judge them.
The Sabra's Lawless Legacy By Assaf Sagiv
Israel and Democracy
Survey: Israel yet to grasp concept of democracy By Mazal Mualem Published Ha'aretz 16 may 2003
Needs a title
The old Zionist rhetoric surfaces continually how Jewish enterprises made an economic miracle in Palestine. This is a look at the veracity of the Zionist rhetoric of being a immigration magnate to Palestinian Arabs and how Jewish economic stimulus, Jewish Doctors and Jewish engineering benefited the Palestinian Arabs?
Of all the studies carried out not one (Baruch Kimmerling, Gershon Shafir, Charles Kamen and Anita Shapira) has verified the British colonial and Jewish Zionist rhetoric that Jewish settlement aided palestinian Arab development. All the studies have shown that the reverse was the fact and that Jewish settlement stifled Palestinian Arab economic development and institution building. The much quote phase about Jewish settlement aiding development was in fact a British colonial dream of "bringing western civilisation to the natives" and then reiterated in Zionist discourse as though fact.
"Jewish settlement, and in particular the Zionist policy of exclusiveness, hindered Arab economic development." ref; Charles Samuel Kamen (1991) Little Common Ground: Arab Agriculture and Jewish Settlement in Palestine, University of Pittsburgh Press, ISBN 0822936682 p 271
I had already met Robert Nathan and Oscar Gass, two foremost Washington economists, prior to their appearance before the committee, and had discussed with them the questions likely to be raised. Bob Nathan's exposition of Palestine economy led to some keen interrogation on Jewish labor, the clause in the Jewish National Fund charter prohibiting employment of Arab labor on its land, the agrarian problems and Jewish relations with the Arabs. The British chairman, Sir John E. Singleton, was the most persistent. Richard Grossman caused great surprise by asking: "Would the revolution you are carrying out in the social-economic sphere be possible under a foreign regime?"
Horowitz, David (1953) State in the making. (Bi-shelihut medinah noledet) translated from the Hebrew by Julian Meltzer Publisher ALFRED A. KNOPF p 37.
note agrarian problem, ie the kibbutz were loss making and these loss making enterprises only employed Jewish labour. The Kibbutz losses were so large that the mandate of Palestine tax receipts dropped.
The first Aliya wave of immigration to the land of Israel was in crisis, having lost faith in the enterprise. Farmers of the relatively sound, orchard based Jewish colonies on the coastal plain upped and left the country by the dozens. Many in Palestine's new jewish Yishuv lent an avid ear to the Uganda plan (the idea of establishing a Jewish colony in East Africa under British protection), for who knew better than they how arduous it was to settle the land of Israel. Shapira, Anita. Yigal Allon; Native Son; A Biography Translated by Evelyn Abel, University of Pennsylvania Press ISBN 978-0-8122-4028-3 p 4
How many self-supporting kibbutz were there?
Mainly, he motivated by the colonies stagnation: after eighteen years of hard work and huge investment-estimated at £1.6 million-they were still not self sufficient.Shapira, Anita. Yigal Allon; Native Son; A Biography Translated by Evelyn Abel, University of Pennsylvania Press ISBN 978-0-8122-4028-3 p 7.
Selfsupporting Zionist settlements.In the Memorandum submitted by the Jewish Agency, at page 24, the following is written : " Those settlements which have received their full equipment from the KerenHayesod are now selfsupporting. The other settlements that have not yet received their full settlement loan are most of them by now very near to the stage of being ' selfsupporting.' In this connection we mean by the term ' selfsupporting ' that the ordinary farm expenditure and living expenditure, including renovation, but not including depreciation, nor repayment of settlement loan, nor rent (which is not yet payable), are covered by the ordinary farm income. In this sense the following settlements in the valley of Esdraelon are already selfsupporting, viz., Nahalal, Ginegar, Balfouria, Kfar Yeheskiel."
Hope Simpson report on Immigration, Land Settlement and Development October, 1930.
From a Memorandum submitted by the Jewish Agency, who are trying to paint the kibbutz in the best light possible, KerenHayesod had managed a grand total of four "self-supporting" kibbutz by 1930, so long as you didn’t ask for the rent or repayment on loans, which is rather stretching the definition of self-supporting.
So what did the British authorities say about the four self-supporting colonies?
The Consolidation Budget.By the courtesy of Dr. Kuppin, statements were submitted bringing up to date the information contained in Table I printed on page 72 of the Experts' Report, This table gives, among other information, the amount of the " Consolidation Budget," that is, the amount still necessary to complete the settlement of each colony. From the statements it appears that for Nahalal (which is described in the Memorandum as " selfsupporting ") a sum of £10,000 is still required, for Ginegar the sum is £23,000, for Balfouria, £3,500.
Kfar Yeheskiel : Cost o/ Settlement. Only in the case of Kfar Yeheskiel can the colony be said to be selfsupporting, and in the modified sense of that word used in the Memorandum. This colony contained 59 families, in 1930. In the statement on p. 72 of the Experts' Report the cost of the land for this colony and its amelioration was shown at $342,090, say £70,389. In the statement now submitted the cost of the equipment is shown as £63,935 in addition. The total expenditure of settling 59 families is, therefore, £134,329, an average of £2,277 per family.
KerenHayesod : Budget.In view of the continuing necessity for expenditure on existing colonies it is remarkable to find that in the year 1928-1929 the budget of the KerenHayesod for agricultural colonisation fell from £167,090 of the previous year, to £93,123, while at the same time the expenditure on urban colonisation rose from £4,747 to £91,949.
Further, there is at present a plan in preparation with the object of placing one thousand families of labourers on the land. The following is an extract from the Report of the Palestine Jewish Agency, published in the " Palestine Weekly " of July 4th, 1930 :
" . . . . It is also a matter of common knowledge that at the last meeting of the Administrative Committee of the Jewish Agency, which took place in London, it was resolved to settle one thousand families of workers, by means of extra budgetary funds, in the vicinity of the big plantation colonies. The plan is still in the preparatory stage . . . ."
Hope Simpson report on Immigration, Land Settlement and Development October, 1930.
And that is about four "self-supporting" colonies after 40 to 50 years of colonisation by Jewish immigrants.
The British authorities estimate of "self-supporting" kibbutz is one and only in a limited sense of the word used in the Jewish agency's Memorandum. Could it be said the kibbutz were successful as an Arab magnate when the kibbutz hadn't even got to the "self-supporting level?
Petah Tikva, the largest of these colonies, resembled a small town in Lithuania. Zikhon Yaakov and various colonies in Galilee were similar in style. Rishon le-Zion had a somewhat peculiar character, a mixture of Jewish hamlet and quasi-French manners, due to the influence of the officials of Baron Rothschild who lived there. Most of these colonies remained dependent on the baron’s assistance over a period of more than fifteen years, down to the turn of the century.
After the Baron Rothschild became involved in the enterprise and decided to support the colonies, which were threatened with extinction due to lack of capital, he decided to implement monoculture cultivation in Palestine, that is, a farm economy based on a single crop meant for marketing. The first crop that the colonies in Judea and Samaria (areas situated in the southern and northern coastal plain) specialised in was viticulture. Only at a later stage did they begin to develop the citrus branch, a field in which the Jaffa Arabs had already succeeded, having made a brand name of their oranges. Shapira, Anita (1999) Land and Power; The Zionist Resort to Force, 1881-1948. Stanford University press, ISBN 0-8047-3776-2 pp 56-57
What is also noticeable in Shapira's work is her Zionism. Here you have her saying that the Baron implements monoculture as though this was the first time monoculture was being developed to grow cash crops and yet in the next sentence you notice that Jaffa Arabs had already introduce monoculture into the region with orange groves that had already become a brand name. It is amazing how these supposedly "backward" "feudal" "impoverished" Palestinian Arabs developed the main export product of the region without any aid from the failing Jewish entrepreneurs. You'd have thought a successful industry would have been a better immigration magnate than failing Jewish kibbutz who employed Jewish only labour.
Were the kibbutz paying their way at all?
Results of Jewish Settlement.
The results of Jewish colonisation of the Vale of Esdraelon are varied. In some villages there are clear signs of success; in others, the opposite is the case. The village of Afuleh, which the American Zionist Commonwealth boomed as the Chicago of Palestine, is a sea of thistles through which one travels for long distances. A plague of field mice, which has done extensive damage to both Jewish and Arab cultivation in the Vale during the present year was officially stated to be due to the fact that 30,000 dunams of the land held by the Jews are derelict and covered with weeds. It is also a fact that in a number of villages the tithes paid by the Jews are considerably below those paid by the Arabs who formerly cultivated those villages.
Zionist settlements.The settlements of the Zionist organisation have not been in existence for as long a time as those of the P.I.C.A., and they work on different principles. The outstanding principle is " selflabour , which implies that no settler shall have more land than the area he is able to cultivate by the unaided labour of himself and his family. In the case of the cooperative group, the area is determined by the amount which the group is able to cultivate without assistance. Notwithstanding the fact that the settlers receive a certain agricultural training as chalutzim " (i.e., pioneers) before arrival in Palestine, they are not by early training agriculturists. They are drawn from all walks of life. There is no lack of ardour or enthusiasm, and there can be no doubt that in time the settlements will be able to support the cultivators, especially in those districts where plantation is possible. Meanwhile, there are few if any, of the settlements which are truly selfsupporting, and there appear to be none in which any payment has been made in respect of the outlay by the Jewish National Fund or the KerenHayesod. Hope Simpson report on Immigration, Land Settlement and Development October, 1930.
Kibbutz failing and empty kibbutz causing hardship to their neighbours.
Were the kibbutz, that were filled with people who were "not by early training agriculturists", a success? One also wonders how the watchmakers and silversmiths who had only just been taught which end of a spade goes into the ground are going to bring the most modern and up to date farming practises into Palestine.
We can always "ask the expert"
Immigration initially entails the obsolescence of skills acquired in the country of origin. The process of economic absorption involves learning the host country’s language, other specific skills of living, and on-the-job acquisition of skills. Mass immigration was associated with decline not only in level of education but also in the level of country specific skills.
Yoram Ben-Porath (1986) The Israeli economy: maturing through crises Publisher Harvard University Press, ISBN 0674468783 p 32
Experts' opinion as to completion of establishment. On page 40 of their Report the Experts wrote as follows :
" . . . . that no expenditure for planting new colonies should be made unless the development of existing colonies has been completed, or the money required for their full development has been provided. The amount required for this will absorb the probable normal income of the Colonisation Department for several years to come. Delay in providing settlers with needed equipment and improvements is now causing serious losses and disappointments. It is lowering the efficiency of the settlers, it is the cause of large deficits, even in the older colonies, and is placing on the Zionist Organisation, rather than on the settlers, the responsibility for making the colonies self-sustaining . . . . "Hope Simpson report on Immigration, Land Settlement and Development October, 1930.
And this is in 1930 when the JFN Zionist Kibbutz were still not financially viable, the returns to the government in taxes were still less than that paid by the supposedly "backward" Palestinian farmers who had previously worked the same land.
Funny, how reading the actual documents that Joan Peters and Deshowitz refer to, you form a completely different picture to theirs. The Hope Simpson report agrees more with Shapira and Gershon's findings. Shapira and Gershon are both Zionists to the core by the way and not even called "self hating Jews".
Would someone please try to explain how poor Jewish failing farms, who couldn't pay their own way and employed Jewish only labour, could possibly be a magnet for Palestinian Arabs? Because, to me, portraying 59 families of Kfar Yeheskiel, who were only just self supporting in a modified sense, as being an "Arab" magnate is preposterous.
HEALTH.
At the time of the Occupation Palestine was a country saturated with malaria. Since that time much good work has been done, not only by agencies of the country, but also with the help of outside scientific enquirers. The Rockefeller Foundation, the League of Nations, the Jewish Joint Distribution Committee have all rendered invaluable assistance in investigation, in research and in advice. Very much has been done in the drainage of swamps and marshes, in great part by Jewish agency and in great part by the Government. The Supreme Moslem Council has also taken a share, and its work in the drainage of the extensive and very malarial swamp at Wadi Rubin, under the advice of representatives of the Rockefeller Foundation, has been a complete success. A similar work of even greater magnitude which is now nearing completion is the drainage of the Kabbara Swamp by the P.I.C.A. The Zionist Agency was responsible, among other works, for the drainage of considerable areas in the Vale of Esdraelon. The Government Department of Health revolutionised certain areas of the Jordan Valley at comparatively small cost, by draining of marshes.
It is the good fortune of the Government that Jewish organisations provide such an effective service for their own people. It would be impracticable for the Government to supply anything on a similar scale with the funds at its disposal. In its report* for the year 1928 on the administration of Palestine, submitted to the Council of the League, His Majesty's Government wrote the following : " It has been the policy of Government to rely as far as possible on private and Municipal Hospitals and Dispensaries to furnish general medical relief to the population, and to devote Government funds to such services as isolation hospitals for serious infectious diseases, special clinics for trachoma and epidemic ophthalmia, the treatment of the endemic syphilis which exists in many of the villages and of malaria in rural areas. For certain sections of the population, however, such as the Beduin tribes, which would otherwise lack medical attention altogether, Government establish special clinics, and circumstances arise from time to time in which assistance to voluntary organisation for general assistance is necessary."
Hope Simpson report on Immigration, Land Settlement and Development October, 1930.
Could the British government setting up isolation hospitals for serious infectious diseases have more to do with population increase than any failing Jewish kibbutz? Zionist rhetoric fails at even a cursory inspection. As Yoshua Porath remarked the rhetoric of the early Zionists is extremist and that no reputable academic would touch it with a barge pole. The Jewish settlements were impoverished subsistence farms and required large injections of cash.
Benefits to the indigenous Palestinian Arab population?
The plain fact is that the interests of the 850 bona fide citizens permanently settled are not at all taken into account in this concession, the benefits of which are exclusively limited to the JCA. Gregory Blue, Martin P. Bunton and Ralph C. Croizier (2002) Colonialism and the modern world: selected studies Publisher M.E. Sharpe, ISBN 0765607727 p 149
For Tiamut on Demographics of Palestine the regurgitation of J Peters and Dershowitz copies of early Zionist rhetoric is probably why you found the article as highly POV. The truth of the Kibbutz economy is that achieved profitability only after the 1980s when many were "privatised", the degree of self support(let alone profitability) was only achieved by adopting Palestinian Arab methods of citiculture.Ashley kennedy3 (talk) 00:44, 22 October 2009 (UTC)
A strange reference:
According to Martin Gilbert, 50,000 Arabs immigrated to Palestine from the neighboring lands between 1919 and 1939 "attracted by the improving agricultural conditions and growing job opportunities, most of them created by the Jews".ref. Gilbert, 2005, p. 16.
erh. Gilbert wrote Churchill and America in 2005. So why that ref? Ashley kennedy3 (talk) 22:49, 18 December 2009 (UTC)
Nothing on page 16 of Gilbert (2005) says anything of Palestinian demographics. Ashley kennedy3 (talk) 22:57, 18 December 2009 (UTC)
2 Tier Israeli Justice
It has been noted that a dual legal system is in operation in the Occupied Palestinian Territories. The Special Committee to Investigate Israeli Practices affecting the Human Rights of the Population of the Occupied Territories report states that there is a "marked double standard of justice' in the occupied territories, "one aimed at the civilian Arab population characterized by its harshness and arbitrariness, and another aimed at the Israeli settlers characterized by connivance and permissiveness'. Recourse to judicial remedies by the civilian population, the report states, "has not provided any firm or long lasting safeguard of the interests of the civilian population. The judicial authorities appear to be completely subjected to the discretion vested in the military occupation authorities.' Israel has set up a parallel set of legal regimes where Palestinians are controlled under IDF military directives and pre-1967 Jordanian law, while the settlers are covered by the "Emergency Regulations (Offenses in the Occupied Territories - Jurisdiction and Legal Assistance), 5727-1967". Palestinians are tried in military courts where guarantees of civil rights are absent in the military justice system. Settlers in the Occupied Territories live in areas that are subject to military rule and although the settlements have not been formally annexed, Israel has applied a substantial part of Israeli law to the settlers. As a result, Israeli civilians living in the Occupied Territories are not subject to military or local law but are prosecuted in Israeli civilian courts and are guaranteed civil rights under Israeli civil law. By being subject to the Israeli judicial system, settlers enjoy liberties and legal guarantees that are denied Palestinian defendants in the Occupied Territories charged with similar offenses. The authority to arrest an individual, the maximum detention before being brought before a judge, the right to meet with an attorney, the protections available to defendants at the trial, the maximum punishment allowed by law, and the release of prisoners before completion of sentence - all of these differ greatly in the dual Legal systems. Settlers enjoy rights that Palestinians are denied.
The Special Committee pointed out that the Karp Report, dealing with the acts of violence of Israeli settlers and their impunity, was illustrative of the problem. Mrs. Yehudit Karp, Deputy-Attorney General of Israel, resigned from her post as Chairman of a committee of the Israeli Ministry of Justice established to investigate "anti-Arab vigilantism' by the Jewish settlers in the West Bank. The reason for her resignation was reported to be the absence of any action on the recommendations made by her committee.
Employment Law
Ma'aleh Adumim is considered by the Israeli government to be an Israeli city except when Palestinian labour is employed by the city.
Segregation
By relegating power to local councils racist segregation legislation is avoided, while maintaining racial segregation in Israeli communities.
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- No need for the A-word By Jonathan Berger Published Ha’aretz 25 July 2008.
- Upgrade Palestinian rights by Seth Freedman Published Guardian 27 February 2009
- The tribunals regard minors as Palestinians aged 16 or under. In Israel's civil courts minors are young people under the age of 18.
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- The territory, near Latrun, was never annexed (unlike East Jerusalem and the Golan Heights). The judge's decision implies Israeli law applies to several Palestinian villages east of the 1967 border, as well as applying to Israelis living in the disputed territory. The decision of the Ramle judge, that the application of the law is territorial, means that Israel could confiscate land belonging to Palestinians who used to reside in the area and are now refugees, in accordance with the Absentee Properties Law. The judge was giving an intermediate decision in a lawsuit over a plot of land near Shilat. He said that since Israel operates full sovereign authority in the disputed territory despite avoiding publicly announcing its annexation, it should be considered as Israeli territory. "There is, therefore, no need of an explicit enactment of Israeli law over that territory," the judge wrote. Judge: Israeli law applies in disputed West Bank territory By Akiva Eldar, Israel News
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- Another Jewish town adds 'Zionist loyalty' to bylaws By Jack Khoury
- Galilee community admits only supporters of Zionism By Jack Khoury
- MK Tibi: Israel is democratic for Jews, but Jewish for Arabs By Jonathan Lis, Haaretz Correspondent Published Ha'aretz 22 December 2009
Raphael Cohen confessed that he held one of the protestors in place, dragged him violently, slapped him, and pulled him by his underwear. The evacuation of the outpost, which was near the settlement of Hashmonaim, took place two years ago.
in stark contrast to:-
Who cares they’re only Palestinians by Greg Barns 14 July 2008
Yesh Din Report Law Enforcement upon Israeli Civilians in the OPT: Yesh Din Monitoring
Yesh Din Report Too Little too Late
In addition to its decision on outposts, the cabinet ordered a ministerial committee headed by Defense Minister Ehud Barak to submit recommendations within two weeks on how to tighten law enforcement, including by taking action against civil servants who facilitate illegal outpost construction.
Most of the meeting, however, was devoted to ministerial tirades against violent settlers and attempts by security and law enforcement agencies to pass blame.
Public Security Minister Avi Dichter said that about one-tenth of Israel's total police force is already in the West Bank, and that it is impossible to transfer additional forces there, other than temporarily for specific missions. He also said that lenient sentencing by the courts deters the police from pursuing indictments "even when they have a suspect in hand."
Language used in IP conflict
tautology:-
Investigating the IDF would be the real war crime By Shahar Ilan Published Ha'aretz 27 October 2009
This particular Israeli Government document is laughably insane:-
2. Implementation of the Agreements during the Period 1995-2008 – Review As stated, the JWC is charged with implementation of the Water Agreement. This committee has been working for the past 13 years almost without interruption, even during difficult periods of security problems. The committee meets on a regular basis and approves the construction and development of water supply and sewage installations throughout the West Bank. A scrutiny of the minutes of the committee's meetings shows that the committee approved nearly all the projects that were submitted for its approval, even beyond the obligatory ones included in the Water Agreement. The few projects that were not approved were those that were not in accordance with the Water Agreement, relating mostly to the drilling of new Palestinian wells in the northern and western basins of the Mountain Aquifer. Some of the projects, including the drilling of water wells, have not yet been executed by the Palestinians because of their orders of priority regarding the utilization of funds from donor countries.
notice, one the use of "West Bank" and not "Judea and Samaria", two the rubber stamping of Jewish Israeli settlement water projects along side the denial of Palestinian water projects. A wonderful use of propaganda techniques used by the Israeli Government, the Israeli squatters in the West Bank have become, for water use issues, Palestinians.
Residents of the settlement of Shvut Rachel clashed with Palestinians picking olives in the northern West Bank on Tuesday, after the settlers held a march to protest the "security threat" posed by the harvest.
The settlers, who were joined by residents of nearby illegal outposts, said the Palestinian harvesters were a threat because could gather intelligence and launch attacks from the olive groves.
"If they harvest near us, then we'll be near them," one of the settlers said as they headed out for the march.
In any democratic country this would be described as an attack by ultra Nationalist and religious fanatics on crop pickers, in the Israeli press its a clash between Settlers and Palestinian.
Which came first the chicken or the egg
In the first incident of the new year. Under the cover of darkness on the early morning of Tuesday 15 January 2008 in a cross border raid an elite unit of the Israeli IDFs Golani Brigade entered the neighborhoods of Saajiye and Zeitoun in Gaza City, and was opposed by Hamas fighters. In the ensuing firefight 19 Palestinians were killed.
At first light, Palestinian gunmen were seen in the area and they were attacked by the IDF unit, resulting in a gun battle that lasted most of the day.
At approximately 8:30 A.M., the air force targeted a vehicle moving in the area of the fighting with five gunmen. At about 9 A.M., the air force attacked another group of Palestinians preparing to fire mortars at the IDF troops in the area.
At 9:45, a Palestinian sniper shot and killed a volunteer from Ecuador who was working in a potato field near Kibbutz Ein Hashlosha.
and what did the IDF military spokesperson say:-
"The same sources said that, at this stage, the Israel Defense Forces and the Shin Bet do not consider the senior figures in Hamas as targets, and stressed that the Hamas militants killed Tuesday lost their lives in fighting with IDF forces or because they had been targeted while they tried to launch rocket and mortar attacks against Israeli towns."
I suppose the universal right of self defence (which Palestinians also have) never ever crossed the IDF spokes-person's tiny mind or that the rockets and snipping incident only occurred after the IDFs raid?
Incorrect usage of the term Palestinian.
Immanuel Kant’s use of the term Palestinian when referring to Ashkenazic Jews in Europe was to distinguish none assimilationists from assimilationists and had nothing what so ever to do with living in Palestine and had everything to do with the wider debate within Ashkenazic society on whether to assimilate or retain the “old eastern ways”.
Water
Israeli gov re-release of march reply to World bank report
The news editor knows, for example, that there are around 300,000 settlers and not 450,000 (if only there were) - guzzling rogues that they are of the Palestinians' water (some may say the blood). The motive for the Israeli media's extensive coverage of lies that besmirch their country is not very different from the motive of the foreign organizations themselves: undermining Israel's moral standing in its own eyes and those of the world.
Issy is absolutely correct there are not 450,000 settlers in the West bank, there are 470,000 squatters.
Links that should be included within Water supply and sanitation in the Palestinian territories:- Nader Al-Khateeb and Friends of the Earth Middle East
Maps and Israel?
Now what is the normal Israeli complaint about Palestinian maps?
JPost's Map of what it calls Israel.
I wonder where the green line is? I wonder if Jpost knows where the international boundary between Syria and Israel is?
Hello, you made some edits on maps of Israel including on the page about Mamre. I noticed from here that the site where Abraham came to set up his tents to camp would be on the Western side of Death Sea. There are many evidences that Sodom was on this place in Sound of Arad including a Ziggurat near Mount S'dom. However Bible Atlas is placing Sodom, Gomorrah and most important Zoar that we can use as reference on the Easter place. On this place there are at least seven green plains along small affluence suitable for pasture. This should be taken in consideration or the director of Biblos most be contacted to fix his map. Best Regards. --FlorinCB (talk) 17:19, 17 February 2011 (UTC)
What's the difference between J Street and AIPAC?
An Israeli friend, with whom I had both debated and worked during the 90s, commented on this Arab presence. She remarked that it was ironic that J Street was being attacked by hardliners because a few Arab Americans had contributed to the group, and some Arabs attended their function, at the very moment when these same hardliners are saying that the Arab world must reach out and declare their interest in peace. They say, she went on, "we have no partners" but here are the partners, and yet they criticize us. I think, she concluded, they don't want partners.
pause for thought...Hmm.
IDF logic
Being born Bedouin means that your security clearance is not high enough to be a real Israeli but being born in a foreign country can make a real Israeli.
Truth Lies and ADL Director Abraham H Foxman
Abraham H.Foxman, ADL’s national director, declared; In a letter to Ann M. Veneman, Executive Director of UNICEF, the ADL questioned the decision and its timing, noting that "the fund has a history of accepting aid from other questionable partners, including the International Islamic Relief Organization, which was designated as a terrorist organization by the US because of its links to Al Qaeda."
Not quite the truth Mr Foxman. How can we tell? Easy go to the US Treasury Department web site.
United States Department of the Treasury International Islamic Relief Organization-related Designations:
The U.S. Department of the Treasury today designated the Philippine and Indonesian branch offices of the Saudi-based International Islamic Relief Organization (IIRO) for facilitating fundraising for al Qaida and affiliated terrorist groups. Treasury additionally designated Abd Al Hamid Sulaiman Al-Mujil, the Executive Director of the Eastern Province Branch of IIRO in the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia.
And it also helps if you read books.
Jeanne K. Giraldo, Harold A. Trinkunas (2007) Terrorism financing and state responses: a comparative perspective Publisher Stanford University Press, ISBN 0804755663 pp 119-120
Sorry but 2 people and two branches does not make the other 18 US designated terrorist organisations.
The IIRO was established in 1978 and, according to its website, the organization has branch offices in over 20 countries in Africa, Europe, Asia, and the Middle East.
Does this mean that ADL should be downgraded to none RS?
Economic pressure within the DMZ to pressure and evict Palestinians
Morris (2004) p 513. for water in Jordan basin (the bit that J removed to be reinserted) Ashley kennedy3 (talk) 13:44, 5 November 2009 (UTC)
Donalsville louisiana
secular use of religious establishments.
William Frankel (1988) Survey of Jewish affairs Publisher Fairleigh Dickinson Univ Press, ISBN 0838633439 p 157
Al-'Abbasiyya Pappé, Ilan, (reprint 2007) The ethnic cleansing of Palestine, Oneworld Publications Limited, ISBN 978-1-85168-467-0 p 219
Sagunto Morvedre towns main mosque converted into the church of Sant Maria, ref Mark D. Meyerson (2004) Jews in an Iberian frontier kingdom: society, economy, and politics in Morvedre, 1248-1391 Publisher BRILL, ISBN 9004137394 p 30
Trash article Palestinian views of the peace process in the Israeli–Palestinian conflict
How can you tell it's trash...because the second sentence Likud says..Since when was Likud an authentic spokesperson for palestinian views? had it been in a separate section of world views of Palestinians views.
Syrian wine for those who think it's all about Israel.
Many do not associate wine with Syria because it's mostly desert and it's a Muslim country. However, 10% of the population is Christian (Greek Orthodox, Armenian, Catholic, Maronite) and therefore does not see alcohol as prohibited. Syrian wine is produced in Aleppo, Cortas, St. Simeon, Cuvee Speciale, NV, and Homs. It was an important Roman and Byzantine province and, later, was crisscrossed by caravans on the Silk Route from China. The Syria vines used for Madeira, Orange Muscat.
James Halliday (2006) Wine Atlas of Australia Publisher University of California Press, ISBN 0520250311, p 302 John Adlum (1823) A memoir on the cultivation of the vine in America, and the best mode of making wine Publisher Printed by Davis and Force, 1823 p 141
Syria has a long and illustrious past in viticulture and associated wine making.
Andrew Dalby (2000) Empire of pleasures: luxury and indulgence in the Roman world Publisher Routledge, ISBN 0415186242 p 168-169
Merton Sandler and Roger Pinder (2003) Wine: a scientific exploration Publisher CRC Press, ISBN 0415247349 p 58
Henri Pirenne (2001) Mohammed and Charlemagne Publisher Courier Dover Publications, ISBN 0486420116 p 88
Patrick E. McGovern (2003) Ancient wine: the search for the origins of viniculture Publisher Princeton University Press, ISBN 0691070806 p 183
Charles Philip Issawi (1988) The Fertile Crescent, 1800-1914: a documentary economic history Publisher Oxford University Press US, p 65-66
volume of production Red wine 594000 gallons White wine 105600 " Sweet wine 145200 " Arrack 6864 (they ain't gonna like this ref) ref:Arthur Ruppin, Nellie Straus (1918) Syria: an economic survey Publisher The Provisional Zionist committee, p 63,end ref
At the turn of the 20th century the area of Homs contained many vineyards. ref Henry Frederick Lutz (1922) Viticulture and brewing in the ancient orient Publisher J.C. Hinrich, p 32
Modern wineries in Syria
Domaine de Bargylus, Lattakia wiki article Château Bargylus, unfortunately nobody has put it in Cat:Syrian wines
The viticulture regions of Syria are Aleppo and Homs.
Caroline Camarra (1990) The world of wine Publisher Mallard Press, ISBN 0792452313 p 249
What does Cyprus say about Syrian wine? Window on Cyprus says:-
There is much evidence to suggest that the country which had the greatest wine industry for the longest period was Syria, from around 3,000 BC or before, until about 1000 AD, when Islam held sway and banned the production of alcohol.
According to 2008 statistics, 63% of grape production is consumed as fresh fruit, 8% is used for raisins, 12% for molasses, and 17% for drinks.
Syria Third Among Arab Countries in Grape Production, 28th on International Level
SWEDEN on wine made in occupied Syria Sweden labels Golan wines: 'Made in occupied Syrian land' By Amiram Barkat Published Ha'aretz 8 June 2006
The economist on Golan heights:- PERCHED between Israel, their occupier for more than four decades, and Syria, perhaps soon to govern them again full article accessible at LFP
User:Tsvi Misinai
Has an interesting hypothesis. A wee bit extreme and hardly likely to bring peace but:-
A tragic misunderstanding Published Times on Line 13 January 2009
The lost Palestinian Jews By DAVID SHAMAH Published JPost 20 August 2009
Fort Hood shootings
New York Times interactive. present coords for the article are for the building with the circular roof. A more accurate position is 31° 08' 33.20" N 97° 47' 46.90" W
Tomb of Lazarus
Tomb of Lazarus. 31° 46' 17.95" N 35° 15' 22.65" E..The present coords are for the town of al-Eizariya...Ashley kennedy3 (talk) 12:53, 10 November 2009 (UTC)
Umm Khalid, Tulkarem
Hi Ash; hope you are doing ok? Anyway, a question: back in ancient times you added this to Umm Khalid. Now, I have an earlier version (the 2004-book) of Morris than you do, but mine say "Not know" under date & depop.cause. Sooo...did Morris "update" his book...or... ;) Cheers, Huldra (talk) 22:46, 18 November 2009 (UTC)
I've found that Morris is economical with the truth. What he writes at the front is not what he writes in between the pages....On page 129 Morris states (quote) Umm Khalid east of Netanya was evacuated out of fear on 20 March(unquote) , note 517; 'Hiram to HIS-AD, 21 May 1948, HA\105\92 bet....Ashley kennedy3 (talk) 21:50, 20 November 2009 (UTC)
- note, the coast strip was mainly inhabited by coastal "Marsh Bedouin", who in general had a reasonable relationship with Jewish settlers and interacted with the PICA programme rather than with the KIbbutz movement. The Marsh Bedouin mostly had rights of use to the land originating from the Ottoman period. When the land use was transferred (generally not sold on the coast, Natanya was a long lease, by Firman) the Bedouin were compensated, although in many cases they had to fight for compensation...Ashley kennedy3 (talk) 22:06, 20 November 2009 (UTC)
- ps. I'd love to see an article on Marsh Bedouin of Palestine. Their life style was in transition from nomadic to sedentary. The "Tent villages" and temporary structures were were moving over to permanent structures. The area from Gaza to Haifa. There was also the Huela Lake Marsh Bedouin, there's quite a bit written about the Heula lake Marsh Bedouin unfortunately the coastal Marsh Bedouin only appear as a postscript to court records...Ashley kennedy3 (talk) 22:16, 20 November 2009 (UTC)
One World Publications
John Calder Reinstate NoCal100's removal of a usable link. Ashley kennedy3 (talk) 09:26, 16 December 2009 (UTC)
Happy New Year to one and all
Happy New Year to one and all.Ashley kennedy3 (talk) 12:42, 1 January 2010 (UTC)
- And all the best for a serene and productive NY to you yourself, Ashley. Best Nishidani (talk) 11:31, 1 January 2010 (UTC)
Nice to hear from you Nishidani. May you also have a good year.Ashley kennedy3 (talk) 12:42, 1 January 2010 (UTC)
- When does your suspension expire?Nishidani (talk) 14:30, 1 January 2010 (UTC)
April.1st of.Ashley kennedy3 (talk) 14:34, 1 January 2010 (UTC)
- Well good luck, though the date makes one laugh. You obviously have the patience to look to the long term, since you'll have served a one year sentence by that date. Edit coolly, watch the style of exemplary editors, like Nableezy. Le style, c'est l'homlette, ou l'Hamlet etc. Cheers and best wishes.Nishidani (talk) 17:31, 1 January 2010 (UTC)
I've always had patience Nishi. I also found the date apposite. Best wishes to you too Nishi Ashley kennedy3 (talk) 18:55, 1 January 2010 (UTC)
- Happy New Year Ashley (and Nishidani). I will be looking forward to April Fool's Day. Tiamut 18:58, 1 January 2010 (UTC)
- Happy New Year you three :-) Ceedjee (talk) 19:04, 1 January 2010 (UTC)
- To you too, Ceedjee. Tiamut 19:09, 1 January 2010 (UTC)
- Happy New Year you three :-) Ceedjee (talk) 19:04, 1 January 2010 (UTC)
Hi Ceedjee, popped out from French wiki I see. Have a great New Year. Hi Tiamut best wishes, send my regards to Huldra please.Ashley kennedy3 (talk) 19:50, 1 January 2010 (UTC)
- Thanks Ashley. You can always email Huldra, her account is enabled. I haven't been in touch with her recently. As I understand it, she broke her arm and is not typing these days much. In fact, I should send her some new year greetings and check in to see how she is doing. Best to you too. Tiamut 19:54, 1 January 2010 (UTC)
Sorry to hear that about Huldra.. As you say Emails good...Ashley kennedy3 (talk) 20:37, 1 January 2010 (UTC)
- Since all the best editors seem to be hanging around here, may I too wish you all a very good and wiki-productive Happy New Year. Roll on April 1st! --NSH001 (talk) 20:50, 1 January 2010 (UTC)
- So sweet NSH001. Happy New Year to you too. Tiamut 21:06, 1 January 2010 (UTC)
- Add my best wishes to that NSH001..Ashley kennedy3 (talk) 22:31, 1 January 2010 (UTC)
A Name to watch out for in 2010 Richard Maize
Richard Maize is an absolutely fascinating character.
From fraudster:-
http://losangeles.fbi.gov/dojpressrel/pressrel07/la052507usa.htm Department of Justice LA
to hasbarachik with allegedly international standing and allegedly powerful enough to stall a UN report:-
Israel Human Rights
The most recent endeavor Richard Maize has participated in is in reaction to a UN commissioned report that has been proven to be very biased against Israel. Although normally highly involved with international human rights issues, this report was so blatantly biased and slanderous that he decided to take part. He contributed money to create powerful websites to combat the lies of the UN report. Those websites were so persuasive that they were thought to have played a part in the UN Human Rights Commission delaying a discussion on the report.
Real Estate Expert Richard Maize Mentors for the Jewish Federation of Greater Los Angeles' Real Estate and Construction Division's Young Leadership Development Institute. http://www.allbusiness.com/society-social/philanthropy-foundations/11808597-1.html
so much for natural expansion
Construction Permits Requested of and Granted by the Jerusalem Municipality...Ashley kennedy3 (talk) 10:28, 7 January 2010 (UTC)
UN; Demolition of houses and displacement continue in East Jerusalem
New Articles 2010
The Project section New Articles need up dating and archiving with a New Articles 2010 starting. It's not been updated since sept 2009.Ashley kennedy3 (talk) 03:53, 8 February 2010 (UTC)
Ayman Taha
Ayman Taha was also co-founder of Hamas.
A sacred billboard
A site so sacred it is being proposed to turn it into a billboard.
- You realize it's a joke? Or are you that gullible? LOL. Breein1007 (talk) 17:10, 1 April 2010 (UTC)
You do also realise that I posted it on the 1st April....You've just been conned..April fool you...Ashley kennedy3 (talk) 18:10, 1 April 2010 (UTC)
- Convenient. Breein1007 (talk) 20:27, 1 April 2010 (UTC)
You did not post it on April 1st. You posted it in early March. Conned indeed. No More Mr Nice Guy (talk) 11:41, 4 April 2010 (UTC)
Well I was blocked from editing until 1st April, that makes you either unable to read or are completely unaware of where it was posted.Ashley kennedy3 (talk) 21:41, 20 June 2010 (UTC)
Time
The wonderful thing is that time passes. The clock cannot be stopped. A week to go.Ashley kennedy3 (talk) 18:55, 25 March 2010 (UTC)
-Now, promise me you will be a good boy, yes? Note that:
- A) civility & rule-issues are taken much, much stricter now than it was just a year or two ago. Be warned.
- B) there are some serious good "new" players out there, you know, "new" editors, with zero block record, who somehow learn to file a correct 3RR violations report within their 50 first edits. Yeah, WP:AGF, and all that. Sure. (Amoroso, e.g..haven´t seen him in while, he disappeared after an admin said his next block should be idef...:D ) These "new" players pretty much know *exactly* how far they can go.
- C) Work needed: I would absolutely *love* a commonscat for each of the 1948-villages...we could start with cut-out from the old maps....Hint, hint, hint! A bit boring, and routine, but much, much needed....
- ok, 1 day, 14 hours in advance: welcome back! Cheers, Huldra (talk) 22:43, 30 March 2010 (UTC)
At touch more than 14 hours to go. set to expire at 13.38 1st April.
I'm always civil. Merely forthright in my views.Ashley kennedy3 (talk) 22:35, 31 March 2010 (UTC)
Oh and I did mention the "Possibility of gaming post 30 august?" see section 18 above; due to hasbara symposiums being held in Jerusalem. All Israeli government subsidised.Ashley kennedy3 (talk) 22:58, 31 March 2010 (UTC)
- Well, being "forthright" will probably get you blocked again in no time around here now. Same with edit-warring; even Tiamut got blocked recently. Anyway, none of the above links in section 18 works...but this is a newer one: http://www.jpost.com/Israel/Article.aspx/?id=167613 Cheers, Huldra (talk) 23:32, 31 March 2010 (UTC)
- Mate, don't waste your time on attitude, being forthright. Be laidbackleft, so you spend less time being in porridge, or square-bashing, chum. Schemers have their profiles, figure out where the trip-wires can be laid, and if you like sprinting through a trap-ridden hazard course, they'll take you out in the first ten metres. Irony, self-irony. The play's the thing, it's not a real life scenario in here. Best Nishidani (talk) 07:14, 1 April 2010 (UTC)
- I'll only be adding verifiable facts,no more no less.Ashley kennedy3 (talk) 07:45, 1 April 2010 (UTC)
20 mins to go.Ashley kennedy3 (talk) 13:20, 1 April 2010 (UTC)
- A ticking bomb, the sapper turned jihadi! Watch out for them danged 'booby'-traps! Finest wishes for a good contributive year, mate.Nishidani (talk) 13:41, 1 April 2010 (UTC)
We sappers are also taught how to defuse the booby traps. And Thanks for the noteAshley kennedy3 (talk) 13:44, 1 April 2010 (UTC)
- Welcome back Ashley kennedy3. I hope it was worth the wait. :) Tiamut 16:14, 1 April 2010 (UTC)
Thank you Tiamut. Only as I can edit I think I'll also post this on your page. Ashley kennedy3 (talk) 16:15, 1 April 2010 (UTC)
Zeita, Tulkarm
Ash; back in ancient times you wrote that Zeita, Tulkarm is "South-east of Tulkarm." It is still in the article...and we have trouble with it. Please see the discussion here: Talk:Raml_Zayta (There are so many "Zaytas"...they get mixed up...) Cheers, Huldra (talk) 04:25, 5 April 2010 (UTC)
Sounds a lot
quote: The Free Gaza group is just such a Leftist-Islamist alliance. Well, Gaza is already free. Israel withdrew from the narrow strip five years ago. And there is also no need for any humanitarian aid. Well over a million tons of humanitarian supplies entered Gaza from Israel over the last 18 months, equaling nearly a ton of aid for every man, woman and child in Gaza. unquote
http://gayandright.blogspot.com/2010/06/why-do-so-called-progressives-team-up.html
Only one problem with that, it turns out that is 1.8 kilos a day per man, woman and child in the Gaza Strip. And further when taking into account that the humanitarian aid allowed in by Israeli authorities included non food items you can understand why malnutrition (a nice way to say starvation) has increased to 10% of the population in the Gaza Strip.Ashley kennedy3 (talk) 14:35, 15 June 2010 (UTC)
- Gaza has one of the highest rates of obesity in the world. Damn those evil zionists and their insatiable hunger for Pali fois gras.
Obesity is a sign of poor using high carbohydrate foods to stock up energy. Obesity is the early stages of malnourishment..Check the US, obesity and low wages go hand in glove. Ashley kennedy3 (talk) 08:24, 24 May 2012 (UTC)
- Get your UK troops and settlers out of Ireland before you worry about Palestine. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.213.239.191 (talk) 12:55, 29 February 2012 (UTC)
- Get your troops and settlers out of Palestine before you worry the rest of the world to death by boredom about Iran as an existential threat.Nishidani (talk) 13:58, 29 February 2012 (UTC)
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UNESCO list of sites in danger
UNESCO list of sites in danger
Among the notable sites maintained on the list is Jerusalem, which was included in 1982 because of excavations threatening some of its 220 historic monuments.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20100730/sc_afp/cultureenvironmentunescoheritagebrazilus_20100730214732
Ashley kennedy3 (talk) 02:25, 31 July 2010 (UTC)
Gaza Prison
http://www.europeanvoice.com/article/2010/08/the-gaza-prison/68686.aspx
If you are still out there
Your genius for coordinates would be required at Al-Hamma, Tiberias, as per the request on Nableezy's page. Regards Nishidani (talk) 09:34, 14 October 2011 (UTC)
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