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Happy PD Day@!@

How in the world are you tracking down images that have their (c) expired to undelete?  :)

Also I'd welcome your thoughts on m:Copyright expiry acceleration. – SJ + 18:35, 1 January 2024 (UTC)

@Sj: happy PD Day to you! I start by searching FFD, PUF, and fair use images (some of my methods are listed at User:Wikiacc/Public Domain Day) but it's mostly luck. It just so happened that the Nepenthaceae images were uploaded in two large batches, the bulk of which were still around as fair use, so I checked the deleted contributions for those uploaders.

I'll take a look at that page! There are certainly synergies among the various efforts to find and retag 1923-63 PD files, especially the deleted ones. Deletions of old images tagged as fair use can be hard to track down, including F5, PROD, and FFD nominations that don't mention years. Wikiacc (¶) 19:35, 1 January 2024 (UTC)

Perhaps we can change Commons policy to keep file pages for all files deleted on (c) concerns, and categorize them by estimated year-of-expiry – SJ + 20:08, 1 January 2024 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Category:Iraq public domain images

A tag has been placed on Category:Iraq public domain images indicating that it is currently empty, and is not a disambiguation category, a category redirect, a featured topics category, under discussion at Categories for discussion, or a project category that by its nature may become empty on occasion. If it remains empty for seven days or more, it may be deleted under section C1 of the criteria for speedy deletion.

If you think this page should not be deleted for this reason you may contest the nomination by visiting the page and removing the speedy deletion tag. Liz 22:54, 24 January 2024 (UTC)

Precious anniversary

Precious

Four years!

--Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:25, 15 April 2024 (UTC)

PD Images

Dear Wikiacc..I think it's better to upload full-size public domain images to Commons rather than Misplaced Pages! Maher27777 (talk) 13:12, 17 April 2024 (UTC)

@Maher27777: For new uploads, absolutely! But when the full-size image is already in the Misplaced Pages file history, I find it easiest to restore the full-size version first, and then move to Commons via established tools. Do you agree? Wikiacc (¶) 21:26, 17 April 2024 (UTC)

PD question

Hello, when checking the copyrights for non-us works published in 1928 or before what should be the guideline for let's say a movie poster. Is it based on the death of the director or something else? In best regards, Wiiformii (talk) 20:54, 14 May 2024 (UTC)

@Wiiformii: it's complicated. Honestly, most of the time I just tag {{PD-US-expired-abroad}} and move on.

Many movie posters from that era were made by artists. In that case, the source country copyright is based on the death of the artist. For example, posters by Josef Fenneker are in copyright in Germany until 2027 because Fenneker died in 1956 (per c:Commons:Copyright rules by territory/Germany). But it's often hard to tell who the artist is. The artist's signature may be present but hard to read.

If the poster is a still image from the movie, with no other artistic elements, you are probably safe using the death of the director. But you have to look carefully. Wikiacc (¶) 23:38, 14 May 2024 (UTC)

Fair enough, especially with these older works the information behind their creation starts to deteriorate. Thanks again, Wiiformii (talk) 23:41, 14 May 2024 (UTC)

Category question

I see that you have been doing lots of work in Category:Copy to Wikimedia Commons with hidden file revisions. Do you know if there's a similar category for {{PD-US-1923-abroad}} with hidden revisions? For example File:The Girl from the Provinces.jpg. --Stefan2 (talk) 23:54, 9 January 2025 (UTC)

Other examples are File:Kri-Kri, the Duchess of Tarabac.jpg and (presumably, although it says unknown date in the FUR) File:Incest (film).jpg. --Stefan2 (talk) 00:05, 10 January 2025 (UTC)

@Stefan2: I'm not aware of such a category. If there aren't too many such files, bulk nominations at WP:REFUND are an option. You certainly could create the category -- for tips on auto-populating it, reading Misplaced Pages:Bots/Requests for approval/MDanielsBot 9 and/or talking to Mdaniels5757 might be helpful. Wikiacc (¶) 00:15, 10 January 2025 (UTC)

@Stefan2 Looks like there are 160 files with hidden revisions currently: https://quarry.wmcloud.org/query/89751. If you think it would be useful, I'd be happy to file a BRFA to add a category* to those files. All I'd need is the name of the category to add (Category:PD-US-expired-abroad with hidden file revisions?)

* Probably actually a template that includes the category, for the reason in that BRFA. — Mdaniels5757 (talk • contribs) 02:19, 10 January 2025 (UTC)

I don't know what the category should be named. There are also other templates such as {{PD-ineligible-USonly}} and {{FoP-USonly}} which we might wish to catch.

There are some files in the report which are also in the public domain in the source country, for example the first one (File:Lily Flagg.jpg).

I created quarry:query/58367 to find files with {{mtc}} with missing revisions and found that there were 30 of those. As there were not too many, I added Category:Copy to Wikimedia Commons with hidden file revisions to those. --Stefan2 (talk) 10:10, 10 January 2025 (UTC)

I find lots of additional {{PD-1923}} and {{PD-US-1923-abroad}} with old deleted revisions when going through quarry:query/89760 (an attempt to find files published in 1929 which are tagged as unfree by looking at the names of the categories of the articles where the files are used). --Stefan2 (talk) 11:41, 10 January 2025 (UTC)

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Please be careful with films as the copyright rules are very complex and confusing. See c:COM:VPC#Composers for silent films for a discussion, although there is not a lot of clarity. For single German screenshots, it seems that you should use the death year of the cameraman, not the death year of the director.

There appears to be an article about the film on German Misplaced Pages, de:Melodie der Welt (1929), where the infobox lists four cameramen: de:Reimar Kuntze (died more than 70 years ago), de:Paul Holzki (died less than 70 years ago), Wilhelm Lehne (death year unknown) and Rudolph Rathmann (death year unknown). I don't know which cameraman's death year we should use. --Stefan2 (talk) 21:34, 13 January 2025 (UTC)

@Stefan2: Thanks. I didn't realize it was so complex. Perhaps we need a subtemplate/subcategory of {{PD-US-expired-abroad}} for films. Perhaps we should also be subcatting Category:Screenshots of films by source country. Wikiacc (¶) 00:31, 14 January 2025 (UTC)

Films are way too complex. If everyone involved in the creation of the film has been dead for at least 70 years, then it's in the public domain. If no one has been dead for at least 70 years, then it's non-free. In all other cases, it's safer to just add {{PD-US-1923-abroad}} with no expiration year as the list of people whose death years you should check varies depending on the country of the film. It seems that Germany thinks that single frames from a film aren't part of the cinematographic work but that they are separately copyrighted photographs taken by the cameraman and so they seem to follow the cameraman's death year, but I don't know if this is true in other countries. --Stefan2 (talk) 09:44, 14 January 2025 (UTC)