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== Pending suspension of administrative permissions due to inactivity ==
== I have nominated you for adminship ==


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<small>Signing this section so that it gets automatically archived.</small>
Established ] provides for removal of the administrative permissions of users who have not made any edits or logged actions in the preceding twelve months. Because you have been inactive, your administrative permissions will be removed&#32;if you do not return to activity within the next month.
] (]) 22:29, 21 May 2009 (UTC)


Inactive administrators are encouraged to rejoin the project in earnest rather than to make token edits to avoid loss of administrative permissions. Resources and support for reengaging with the project are available at ]. If you do not intend to rejoin the project in the foreseeable future, please consider voluntarily resigning your administrative permissions by making a request at ].
== RE: Crown Point ==


Thank you for your past contributions to the project. <!-- Template:Inactive admin -->—&thinsp;] 00:05, 1 January 2020 (UTC)
I know, I was just dicking around with my friend, and then I bitched at you cause I enjoy pissing people off. I mean come on though, you couldn't have just left it? My family really is a pretty prominent family in crown point. It was kind of just a joke that only crown point citizens would get. It's not like anyone goes around looking up crown point anyway. Except for I guess you. What drew your attention to that article anyway? Do you have a little random town fetish? :D


== Imminent suspension of administrative permissions due to inactivity ==
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== All Is Well & Just Got Much Better ==


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That is great news! The backlog seems to be getting smaller. Getting it to zero seems possible. Thank you!
Established ] provides for removal of the administrative permissions of users who have not made any edits or logged actions in the preceding twelve months. Because you have been inactive, your administrative permissions will be removed&#32;if you do not return to activity within the next several days.
:] (]) 19:23, 22 April 2009 (UTC)


Inactive administrators are encouraged to rejoin the project in earnest rather than to make token edits to avoid loss of administrative permissions. Resources and support for reengaging with the project are available at ]. If you do not intend to rejoin the project in the foreseeable future, please consider voluntarily resigning your administrative permissions by making a request at ].
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Questions:
*Are the bots merely working their way through the list that was 334,000 pages longs and is now barely over 107,000 pages long? What I mean by that is that there are a ton of pages in the "Ab"s and wondered if the bots had not gotten to them or would they have to be done manually?
:*If the former, when will be bots get to them?
:*If the latter I think that experts in Arabic naming conventions need to be recruited. I read the article and am only slightly less confused than before.
*Do you have any way to tell which letters are down to almost insignificant numbers?
:*All the pages after "Z" were done, again, and there are no pages before "A" so I have been checking there first to catch the alligators that have been thrown into the swamp.
:*There were very few pages in the "X" section so I am doing them by hand so that there will be another empty section that I can monitor.
:*After "X" is empty I am going to move to "Q" unless you can tell me that there is a letter that has fewer pages.
*If you really want a ton of manual edits for your next RfA (I cannot imagine anyone with a life having time to learn all that is needed to be an Admin.), do you realize how much editing experience you can get by opening the Talk Page of a typical page that does not have a listas parameter, swithching to the article and fixing all that you can see that needs to be fixed in the article, info-boxes, person-data, copy edits, and so forth? Then when you go back to the talk page and paste in the listas parameter there are such things as verifying the stub rating of pages that were rated automatically: if there are fewer than three banners on the page putting the WP Biog on top if the person is living and add the living parameter if it is not there; applying the WPBS if it is warranted and collapsing it if that is warrented. The category will be get emptied but you will certainly know more about editing that most people do. You will also know more about some very obscure people in history than almost anyone.


Thank you for your past contributions to the project. <!-- Template:Inactive admin -->—&thinsp;] 00:00, 25 January 2020 (UTC)
(That last is somewhat facetious but only somewhat. As is obvious by the first page of the category someone is going to have to go through the list manually after the bots are through. It is extremely tedious work.)
:] (]) 21:25, 14 May 2009 (UTC)


== Suspension of administrative permissions due to inactivity ==
Hey Jim,
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Established ] provides for removal of the administrative permissions of users who have not made any edits or logged actions in the preceding twelve months. Because you have been inactive, your administrative permissions have been removed.


Subject to certain time limits and other restrictions, your administrative permissions may be returned upon request at ].
To answer your question, the bot is basically working its way sequentially through the list. This means that it's going through the list in alphabetical order. As I'm writing this, it's towards the beginning of the M's. As for the stuff all the way back at the "Ab"'s, there's two factors at work here:
#The bot skipped them the first time around because there wasn't anything for it to go off of.
#New articles have popped up since the bot went through that part of the list.


Thank you for your past contributions to the project. <!-- Template:Inactive admin -->— ] <sup>]</sup> 03:57, 1 February 2020 (UTC)
I agree that we need to get some experts in Arabic naming conventions involved on these articles. They may be hard at work already, I don't know. At this point, 99% of the bot's hits are coming from the article's {{tl|DEFAULTSORT}} tag, so that's where the fixup work needs to be taking place.


== ''Bots Newsletter'', December 2021 ==
Do I have any statistics on which letters have the fewest numbers? No, not really. Not something I've been keeping track of. I can tell you that the bot spent almost two days just on the J's, so it probably eliminated a significant number from that section.


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And thanks for the advice. I'm sure I'm going to need all I can get. ] (]) 22:20, 14 May 2009 (UTC)
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Our ] was in August 2019, so there's quite a bit of catching up to do. Due to the vast quantity of things that have happened, the next few issues will only cover a few months at a time. This month, we'll go from September 2019 through the end of the year. I won't bore you with further introductions — instead, I'll bore you with a newsletter about bots.
:Oh yeah, to answer your question, yes, the bot will go back to the beginning of the list eventually. The plan is to restart the bot at the beginning of the list once it gets to the end of the list. My guess is that it might be another week before it gets to the end of the list, though. ] (]) 23:50, 14 May 2009 (UTC)


<span style="font-size:125%">'''Overall'''</span><br />
The "J" pages are still overwhelming. The bot probably took as long as it did because they were much worse but had a DEFAULTSORT value.
* Between September and December 2019, there were 33 ]s. Of these, {{yeac}} 25 were approved, and 8 were unsuccessful ({{nayd}} 3 denied, {{idkc}} 3 withdrawn, and ] 2 expired).


<span style="font-size:125%">'''September 2019'''</span>
My method for cleaning up the pages in "X" is to look for a DEFAULTSORT, create one if it does not exist, copy it as a listas value to the Talk Page, paste it and fix everything else that needs fixing above the comments. After I zero out the "X" pages I will try to drum up some support from everyone who was involved in the Arabic Naming Convention page, both the article and the talk page. By the time I have finished that probably futile exercise the bot will be through the "Q" pages and I can work on the few that are left. (There were only 392 the last time I looked. There are few than 40 left in "X".)
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* {{yeac}} ], ], ], ], ] · {{nayd}} ], ] · {{idkc}} ], ]
*'''TParis goes away, UTRSBot goes kaput''': ] ] that ] for maintaining on-wiki records of ] appeals stopped working a while ago. ], the semi-retired user who had previously run it, said they were "unlikely to return to actively editing Misplaced Pages", and the bot had been vanquished by trolls submitting bogus UTRS requests on behalf of real blocked users. While ] was a potential fix, neither maintainer had time to implement it. TParis offered to access to the UTRS WMFLabs account to any admin identified with the WMF: "I miss you guys a whole lot but I've also moved on with my life. Good luck, let me know how I can help". Ultimately, ] ended up in charge. Some progress was made, and the bot continued to work another couple months — but as of press time, UTRSBot has not edited since November 2019.
*'''Article-measuring contest resumed''': The ], which had lain dead for several years, was triumphantly resurrected by ] following a ].


<span style="font-size:125%">'''October 2019'''</span>
Don't be too surprised when the bot takes no time on "X". There wasn't much to work with anyway. (Lazy "Three Kingdoms" gamers but I was no more ambitious as I did not tag any of them for notability.) I suspect the same is true for "Q".
* {{yeac}} ], ], ], ], ], ], ], ], ], ]
*'''Curb Safe Charmer adopts reFill''': ] ] that ]'s bug reports were going unanswered; creator ] had retired from Misplaced Pages, and a maintainer was needed. As of June 2021, ] had ], saying: "Not that I have all the skills needed but better me than nobody! 'Maintainer' might be too strong a term though. Volunteers welcome!" <br />


<span style="font-size:125%">'''November 2019'''</span>
:] (]) 01:08, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
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* {{yeac}} ], ], ] · {{idkc}} ]
*'''Old bots do new tricks''': ] prowled redirects, ] archived ] requests, and ] removed links to ] deleted at ] (until its authorization was revoked in January at operator ]'s ]).


<span style="font-size:125%">'''December 2019'''</span>
:LOL.
* {{yeac}} ], ], ], ], ], ], ] · {{nayd}} ] ·] ], ]
*'''Redirects to be autopatrolled''': A ] at ], closing with unanimous consensus that new ] should be ] by bot. ] wasted no time, and submitted ] the next day; it passed two days after that.
*'''200,000 bios get short descs''': Along a similar vein, ] was approved to remove disambiguation pages from ] and a new bot (]) changed lots of ] links to ] using ]. One particularly neat task, ], automatically generated ] for more than 200,000 biographies.


<span style="font-size:150%">'''In the next issue of ''Bots Newsletter'':'''</span><br />
:Well, the bot could work a little bit quicker, if it weren't for the "bots are only allowed to edit once every 10 seconds" rule. Oh well. ] (]) 02:02, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
What's next for our intrepid band of coders, maintainers and approvers?
*What happens when two bots want to clerk the same page?
*What happens when an adminbot goes hog wild?
*Will reFill ever get fixed?
*What's up with ], anyway?
*Python 3.4 deprecation? In ''my'' PyWikiBot? (It's more likely than you think!)
These questions will be answered — and new questions raised — by the January 2022 ''Bots Newsletter''. Tune in, or miss out!


Signing off... ''']'''×''']''' 04:29, 10 December 2021 (UTC)
Actually, lazy amateur Sinologists in general. I haven't the courage to see how many articles for last name "Qi" have listas parameters.
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I got the most active editor on the Arabic Naming Conventions article and Talk Page to put as many DEFAULTSORT values as he can. The next time you go through "A", June or early July, your bot will be wanting a vacation and almost all that will be left will be bands.
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== Bots Newsletter, January 2022 ==
What letter are you on now?
:] (]) 22:02, 16 May 2009 (UTC)


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:Looks like it's starting on the P's now. ] (]) 03:33, 17 May 2009 (UTC)

I will not go to Q when I finish X but I may go to Z.

Heartiest congratulations on your success so far.
:] (]) 03:53, 17 May 2009 (UTC)

== Deletion of Open Hearts (2011 film) ==

This film has generate a lot of interest and there are thousand of Zach Braff fans who will want to know about it, so why not make wikipedia the place to come? This is somewhere they can find a balance of many other sources, and many people will want this page to be up. The fact that you alone don't want it to be up means nothing when several hundred people will want to find this page in the future. I have not broken any laws, done anything worng, I have not advertised, written poorly, or done anything that grants this page deletion. <small><span class="autosigned">—Preceding ] comment added by ] (] • ]) 10:06, 17 May 2009 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
:Yes, but we have a guideline about ], because the film could end up being derailed for any number of reasons before filming actually begins. Generally speaking, films that haven't started filming aren't notable. If you can find multiple ] saying that the film is notable, then you can probably get away with keeping the article. However, since an AfD has been opened for it, you might want to take your argument there: ]. Thanks, ] (]) 10:11, 17 May 2009 (UTC)

== Barnstar ==

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== ] ==

Thanks for the quick fix (redirect) on that one. I mistakenly db-tagged it. ] ] 06:41, 19 May 2009 (UTC)
:hehe, no problem. I just happened to see the new page pop up on ]. ] (]) 06:42, 19 May 2009 (UTC)

== ] nomination of ] ==

] Please do not move pages to nonsensical titles. It is considered ]. If you would like to learn more about moving pages, please see the ] on this subject. If you would like to experiment with page titles and moving, please use the Misplaced Pages. Thank you.

If you think that this notice was placed here in error, you may contest the deletion by adding <code>{{tl|hangon}}</code> to '''the top of ]''' (just below the existing speedy deletion or "db" tag), coupled with adding a note on ''']''' explaining your position, but be aware that once tagged for ''speedy'' deletion, if the page meets the criterion it may be deleted without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag yourself, but don't hesitate to add information to the page that would render it more in conformance with Misplaced Pages's policies and guidelines. Lastly, please note that if the page does get deleted, you can contact ] to request that they ] the page or have a copy emailed to you. <!-- Template:Db-pagemove-notice --> <!-- Template:Db-csd-notice-custom --> ] (]) 08:22, 19 May 2009 (UTC)
:Hi, sorry about the warning above, I think I didn't use the right CSD tag for this page. I'm obviously not implying that your page move was vandalism but rather than the article that was at ] should not have been there in the first place. Regards, ] (]) 08:25, 19 May 2009 (UTC)
:PS: The template above was automatically added by Twinkle.
::lol, no problem. ] (]) 08:27, 19 May 2009 (UTC)

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After a long hiatus between August 2019 and December 2021, there's quite a bit of ground to cover. Due to the vastness, I decided in December to split the coverage up into a few installments that covered six months each. Some people thought this was a good idea, since covering an entire year in a single issue would make it unmanageably large. Others thought this was stupid, since they were getting talk page messages about crap from almost three years ago. Ultimately, the question of whether each issue covers six months or a year is only relevant for a couple more of them, and then the problem will be behind us forever.
== No problem! ==


Of course, you can also look on the bright side – we are making progress, and this issue will only be about crap from almost ''two'' years ago. Today we will pick up where we left off in December, and go through the first half of 2020.
Just give me a day or two to check your contributions in details. Mainly I am interested if you have some articles that you significantly improved. Thanks, ] (]) 07:47, 25 May 2009 (UTC)


<span style="font-size:150%">'''Overall'''</span><br />
== Lifetime vs YOB and YOD categories ==
In the first half of 2020, there were 71 ]s. Of these, {{yeac}} 59 were approved, and 12 were unsuccessful (with {{nayd}} 8 denied, {{idkc}} 2 withdrawn, and ] 2 expired).


<span style="font-size:125%">'''January 2020'''</span>
Please don't replace well established categories with lifetime as and in several other cases. There is no consensus for that action. Please read instructions in ] very carefully where it reads "Please, do not edit war by replacing DEFAULTSORT, xxxx births, yyyy deaths with this template".Moreover, you can check a list of problems caused by Lifetime and more discussion about it in ]. Thanks, ] (]) 08:25, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
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:Sorry, I read that after I did a few of those. I have since stopped. ] (]) 08:56, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
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::You touched one of my sensitive points. I am dealing a lot with yob/yod categories. If you are to become an admin you really haver to be careful with this stuff. Remember, for a while your actions will be under the microscope. I now am checking your edits a bit. I think you ll receive an email from me soon. -- ] (]) 09:45, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
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:::I sent you an email. -- ] (]) 00:59, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
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::::(As did I. Did you receive it?) &ndash; ] <sup>(])</sup> 01:17, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
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:::::Oh, hey Quadell...I was wondering why you were being so quiet. No, I'm not getting them. I'm getting emails I sent to myself though. Hrm. Perhaps we could hook up on AIM/MSN Messenger/Yahoo Messenger/IRC? ] (]) 01:22, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
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::::::I really only use gchat, through Google. Can you maybe try e-mailing me? &ndash; ] <sup>(])</sup> 01:27, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
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* {{yeac}} ], ], ] · {{nayd}} ], ]
*A new ] release dropped support for ], and it was expected that support for ] would be removed in coming updates. ] itself planned to drop Python 2 support in 2022.
*Two new bots dropped in January 2020: ], the successor to ], and ], whose task was to perform a weekly update of four "massive" wikitables for ].
*], an ] operated by ] since 2006, was ] after going berserk on categories that hadn't yet been ]'d.


<span style="font-size:125%">'''February 2020'''</span>
== DefaultsortBot and noincludes ==
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* {{yeac}} ], ], ], ], ], ] · {{nayd}} ]
*On February 1, some ] were raised about ] performing "nonsense" edits. Semi-active operator ] (who originally coded the ] of ]) was pinged. Meanwhile, the bot was temporarily <span class="plainlinks"></span> for several hours until the issue was diagnosed and resolved.
*On February 18, ] got into a <span class="plainlinks"></span> with ], and had to be partially-blocked from ].


<span style="font-size:125%">'''March 2020'''</span>
Hi Matt. The page ] transcludes a bunch of other pages, each of which had been prepared with appropriate <nowiki><noinclude></nowiki> sections. DefaultsortBot added a DEFAULTSORT at the end of each of those files, outside of the <nowiki><noinclude></nowiki>, causing multiple DEFAULTSORT conflicts in ]. I've corrected the files: ], ], ], ], ], ], ], ], ], ], and ]. There's probably no easy way for a bot to anticipate and correctly handle a unique situation like this, but I thought you might want to know about it.
* {{yeac}} ], ], ], ], ], ], ], ], ], ], ], ] ·] ]
* In March, a long ] was started at ] by ] about the troubling trend of bots "expiring" without explanation after their owners became inactive. This can happen for a variety of reasons -- ] changes break code, hosting providers' software updates break code, hosting accounts lapse, software changes make bots' edits unnecessary, and policy changes make bots' edits unwanted. The most promising solution seemed to be ] hosting (although it has some problems of its own, like the occasional necessity of refactoring code).
* Some of the twelve bot tasks approved this month were ] (removing blocked users from ]), and ] (removing ''unblocked'' users from ]). ] was approved to refine geographic stub tags. New bots approved this month were ] (to patrol ]), ] (to merge stub tags), and ] (fixing DISPLAYTITLE modifications, DEFAULTSORT errors and broken behavior switches in ]).
<span style="font-size:125%">'''April 2020'''</span>
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* {{yeac}} ], ], ], ], ], ], ], ], ], ], ], ], ] · {{nayd}} ] ·] ]
*A ] on the bot noticeboard, "Re-examination of ListeriaBot", was started by ], who pointed out repeated operation outside the scope of its BRFA (i.e. editing pages in mainspace, and adding ] to others). Some said it was doing good work, and others said it was operating beyond its remit. It was <span class="plainlinks"></span> on April 10; the next day it was unblocked, reblocked from article space, reblocked "for specified non-editing actions", unblocked, and indeffed. The next week, several ] were implemented in its code by Magnus; the bot was allowed to roam free once more on April 18.
*] joined the stable in April, after a BRFA started in December was finally completed. As an adminbot, it was authorized to block ]es belonging to ], public ]s, and ]s. New tasks approved for existing bots included ] (] categories), ] (taking over some tasks from the inactive ]), and ] (updating data at {{tl|Interactive COVID-19 maps}}). Also, ] was approved to scale down non-free ]s — I didn't even know that was a thing.
* A ] at ] was started by ] about whether ] should explicitly specify that bot operators must be responsive to concerns raised on English Misplaced Pages specifically (as opposed to ], ], ], et cetera). Eventually, the policy was amended to its ]:
:<blockquote>Issues and enquiries are typically expected to be handled on the English Misplaced Pages. Pages reachable via ], like a talk page at ] or at ] could also be acceptable External sites like ] or ] (which require separate registration or do not allow for IP comments) and email (which can compromise ]) can supplement on-wiki communication, but do not replace it.</blockquote>


<span style="font-size:125%">'''May 2020'''</span>
Additionally, edits like {{diff2|292184729|this one to Thomas Andrews}} bring up another minor formatting issue. When there are no categories on a page, the DEFAULTSORT should traditionally go above any stubs and interwikis. ]<FONT COLOR="6600FF">&nbsp;'''•'''&nbsp;</FONT>] 09:45, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
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:Traditionally by... ]. -- ] (]) 09:52, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
* {{yeac}} ], ], ], ], ], ], ], ], ], ], ], ], ], ] · {{nayd}} ], ], ] · {{idkc}} ]
::Ok, we can do this...we can check ] (or rather, its API equivelant) for transclusions. If there's any transclusions at all, then the {{tl|DEFAULTSORT}} tag will be put inside &lt;noinclude&gt; tags. Sound good? ] (]) 18:10, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
*], an impressively meta bot task, was approved this month for maintaining a list of bots running on the English Misplaced Pages. The page, located at ], is updated every 24 hours; it contains a list of all accounts with the bot flag, as well as their operator, edit count, last activity date, last edit date, last logged action date, user groups and block status.
:::If you've already done that, it's okay, but I've decided that your bot was not responsible for this problem, and bots in general should not be expected to anticipate every mistake that human editors may make. The problem with those files is that, instead of <nowiki><noinclude>ing certain sections, the other sections should have been <onlyinclude>d. In checking those files, I discovered that at least four bot and three human edits had added interwiki links outside the <noinclude> areas, which means that those links were incorrectly transcluded onto the other page. When I originally fixed those pages, I took the quick and easy route of just moving stuff into the existing <noinclude></nowiki> areas. But I've gone back and fixed them the proper way, also taking care of some messy "See also" sections which had also been improperly transcluded. You and your "rogue" bots (hehe) are doing a fine job. Keep up the good work. ]<FONT COLOR="6600FF">&nbsp;'''•'''&nbsp;</FONT>] 18:45, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
*Other approvals for this month were ] (processing redirects in {{tl|R from scientific name}}), ] (allowing users to schedule bot reminders for themselves), ] (removing blocked/locked users from ]), ] (updating ]), ] (adding <nowiki>{{</nowiki>]|living=no<nowiki>}}</nowiki> to talk pages where their associated article is in a year of death category), and ] (deleting and nominating empty categories).
*General syntax fixing tasks were approved for ], ], ], ], ], and ], as well as ] ], ], and ].
*Seven bots who fell below ] (with neither the bots nor their operators having any edits or logged actions in two years) had their bot flags removed. They were ], ], ], ], ], ], and ].
*On May 12, ] was ].


<span style="font-size:125%">'''June 2020'''</span>
== It is a big mistake to try to shoehorn traditional Arabic names into the European naming scheme of inherited surnames... ==
]
* {{yeac}} ], ], ], ], ], ], ], ], ], ], ] · {{nayd}} ] · {{idkc}} ]
*In July 2017, ] made a ] that a section of the ] be devoted to bots and technical issues. In November 2019, ] code was written superseding ]'s tasks on that page, and operator ] was asked to stop them so that the new code could be deployed. After no response to pings, a ] of Legobot for the dashboard was proposed. Some months later, on June 16, Headbomb said: "A full block serves nothing. A partial block solves all current issues Just fucking do it. It's been 3 years now." The next day, however, Legoktm disabled the task, and the dashboard was successfully refactored.
*On June 7, ] blocked ] for ], saying it was "still removing links after request to stop". A couple weeks later, a ] was opened, saying "it is a widely-used and useful bot, but it has one of the longest block logs for any recently-operating bot on Misplaced Pages". While its last BRFA approval was in 2011, its code and functionality had changed dramatically since then, and ] requested that BAG require a new BRFA. Maintainer ] responded that most blocks were from years ago (when it lacked a proper ]), and problems since then had mostly been one-off errors (like a ] in which a ] had "weaponized" the bot to harass editors).
*] opened a discussion about ], and proposed that they not. He cited a recent case in which a maintainer had said "I can only suppose that the code that is available on GitHub is not the actual code that was running on ". Some disagreed: ] said that "I like free software as much as the next person, and I strongly believe that bot operators should make their bot code public, but I don't think it should be that they must do so".
*Two new bots had their first BRFAs approved: ], to replace ] for handling the ], and ], to remove {{tl|user sandbox}} from articles in draftspace using ].


<span style="font-size:150%">'''Conclusion'''</span><br />
Your bot is generating an enormous amount of extra work. Please stop. ] (]) 06:58, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
* What's next for our intrepid band of coders, maintainers and approvers?
http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=User_talk%3ADefaultsortBot&diff=292613799&oldid=292263101
:*Will Citation bot ever be set free to roam the project?
:I disagree:
:*What's the deal with all those book links that ] is adding to articles?
:#The bot is not choosing how names should be arranged. The bot is simply copying what is in the listas parameter of the {{tl|WPBiography}} template on the talk page.
:*Should we keep using Gerrit for MediaWiki?
:#The bot is not overwriting anything else that was already there. This particular bot is designed to put {{tl|DEFAULTSORT}} tags on articles where no equivalent exists. This means that if the page already has a {{tl|DEFAULTSORT}}, {{tl|Lifetime}}, or {{tl|Persondata}}, the bot skips over the page and doesn't touch it.
:*What if we had a day for bots to make cosmetic edits?
:I understand your frustration, but the mistakes aren't really the bot's fault, they're the fault of the people that are setting up the listas tags in the first place. I think the focus needs to be on getting them right the first time around. ] (]) 07:07, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
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Signing off... <span style="font-variant:small-caps; whitespace:nowrap;">''']'''×''']'''</span> 23:22, 31 January 2022 (UTC)
::Oh yeah? And the listasbot, and various other robot-assisted editing tools, are merely copying what they found in a {{tl|DEFAULTSORT}}.
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:::Yes, but the data has to come from '''somewhere'''. Let's think about this for a minute:
:::#Article has a {{tl|DEFAULTSORT}}, but the talk page has nothing.
:::#*DefaultsortBot won't ever touch the page, because a) it automatically skips pages that have a {{tl|DEFAULTSORT}}, and b) since there's no listas parameter on the talk page, it never shows up in the category that the bot works with (]).
:::#*ListasBot will come along eventually and copy the article's {{tl|DEFAULTSORT}} into {{tl|WPBiography}}'s listas.
:::#Article has nothing, and the talk page has a listas tag.
:::#*DefaultsortBot will copy the listas tag into the article's {{tl|DEFAULTSORT}}.
:::#*ListasBot will never touch the page, because since the talk page has a listas in its {{tl|WPBiography}}, it never shows up in the category that the bot works with (]).
:::#Article has nothing, and the talk page has nothing.
:::#*DefaultsortBot will never touch the page, since the page never shows up in the category that the bot works with (]).
:::#*ListasBot will probably never touch the page, since there's nothing for it to go off of. <small>Exception: ListasBot uses the title of the page when the title is a single word, or the page is a category talk page.</small>
:::#Article has a {{tl|DEFAULTSORT}}, and the talk page has a listas tag.
:::#*DefaultsortBot will never touch the page, because it automatically skips pages that already have a {{tl|DEFAULTSORT}}.
:::#*ListasBot will never touch the page, because it will never show up in the category that the bot works with (]).
:::So, if you look at that for a minute, the bottom line is that, 99% of the time, if one bot touches a page, the other doesn't.


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::Well-meaning, but ill-advised volunteers add these parameters to articles about individuals with Arabic or Chinese names. That is a problem. Bots, like yours, that rely on the ill-advised efforts of volunteers who assumed all names have an inherited surname, compound that problem.
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:::Bottom line -- there's a backlog. When I started, ] had over 334,000 pages in it. I can't take credit for getting rid of all of them, but I can take credit for getting rid of about 150,000 (or more) of them. I can't imagine how long it would have taken a team of editors, if you had managed to recruit any significant number of them, to work through that many pages. It's a daunting task. I think there's any number of people around here that would rather have a bot work through as many as they can, and leave the rest for the humans to take care of. The time that they don't spend on fixing things that a bot can take care of is time they can spend improving other areas of the Wiki.
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:::Mistakes have been made, yes, but ]. I strongly believe that the number of mistakes that will be left over after the bot is done is far less than the number of pages that needed to be dealt with in the first place. And in the end, my bot's actions don't override the fact that the mistakes were made by someone else, and that those mistakes still need to be dealt with.

::I raised my concern on . ] (]) 07:43, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
:::Yes, I saw. ] (]) 08:21, 27 May 2009 (UTC)


== Ways to improve Extended Graphics Array ==
:::As an addendum to what I said earlier, consider the following:
:::Let's assume for a moment that all biography pages should have a {{tl|DEFAULTSORT}} in the article, and a {{tl|WPBiography}} on the talk page with a valid listas parameter -- these are the goals of the bots, and this shouldn't be that far off WP's goals.
:::#ListasBot is adding listas tags to {{tl|WPBiography}} templates based (most of the time) on data found in the article (a {{tl|DEFAULTSORT}}, a {{tl|Lifetime}}, or a {{tl|Persondata}}).
:::#*If the data was wrong to begin with, the work required to fix it would be:
:::#**Fix the listas tag in the talk page's {{tl|WPBiography}}
:::#**Fix the {{tl|DEFAULTSORT}} in the article
:::#*If the data was wrong to begin with, and the bot had never touched the page, the work required to fix it would be:
:::#**Add the listas tag to the talk page's {{tl|WPBiography}}
:::#**Fix the {{tl|DEFAULTSORT}} in the article
:::#*If the data was correct to begin with, the work required to fix it would be:
:::#**Nothing, because the bot would have taken care of everything
:::#DefaultsortBot is adding {{tl|DEFAULTSORT}} tags to articles based on the value of the listas parameter of the {{tl|WPBiography}} template on the talk page.
:::#*If the data was wrong to begin with, the work required to fix it would be:
:::#**Fix the listas tag in the talk page's {{tl|WPBiography}}
:::#**Fix the {{tl|DEFAULTSORT}} in the article
:::#*If the data was wrong to begin with, and the bot had never touched the page, the work required to fix it would be:
:::#**Fix the listas tag in the talk page's {{tl|WPBiography}}
:::#**Add the {{tl|DEFAULTSORT}} to the article
:::#*If the data was correct to begin with, the work required to fix it would be:
:::#**Nothing, because the bot would have taken care of everything
:::Given that, I fail to see how the bot is creating more work for you. The net effect is positive. ] (]) 09:54, 27 May 2009 (UTC)


Hello, Mikaey,
::::And what steps have been taken to establish that European style inherited lastname-surname style sorting should be the default. It would have been much safer, and, in my opinion, to have simple sorting, that starts at the first character of the articles name, and proceeds smoothly to the last character, be the default. Individuals who use the European style of inherited lastname-surnames should be recognized as the special case.


Thank you for creating ].
::::Various individuals have suggested that the "correct" fix is to replace the corrupt, incorrect, Europeanized value with a copy of the article's current file name. But this merely invites an additional maintenance burden. Over half of the articles on individuals with Arabic names on my watchlist have been renamed, at least once. Why, in the name of heck, should we place replacement values which are very likely to have to be manually edited in the future, possibly multiple times. ] (]) 23:51, 28 May 2009 (UTC)


] have tagged ] as having some issues to fix, as a part of our ] and note that:
There is one other way in which the bot is actually making things easier for editors of pages whose sort values may not be obvious or natural to some one who is trying to follow ]. All the editor has to do in most instances is copy the page name into the DEFAULTSORT value or the LIVING template and listasbot will see to it that the talk page gets the same value for its listas parameter. It takes a lot of effort to paste the value on two separate pages.
:] (]) 22:03, 28 May 2009 (UTC)


{{Quote|1=Much of this page appears to have been copied from https://www.minitool.com/lib/1024-768.html, which does NOT appear to be a wikipedia mirror site. Please rewrite it so that it does not violate copyright}}
:::::Well, this is the English language Misplaced Pages and the first of the many Wikipedias. I assume that it was created with the assumption that the articles would be in English and that most of the biographies would be of European people. I doubt that there was any consideration about the 700 people on your watchlist. Of the 685,609 biography articles, 44,696 without listas parameter and 640,913 with listas parameter, I am very confident that (1) the overwhelming majority need a DEFAULTSORT value and a listas parameter to be sorted properly; (2) more than 700 have invalid values in the listas parameter. Actually I am absolutely certain about the latter as I just looked the pages after Z.


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:::::Once again, I will go through the pages I just mentioned and fix the listas parameter. If it is appropriate I will inform the editor who set the invalid value of the nature of his/her error.
:::::Geo, I'll make you a deal. If you find a corrupt, incorrect, Europeanized value on a page or if a page on your watchlist has been renamed let me know and as soon as I see the notice I will hasten to the relevant pages and change both the DEFAULTSORT and listas parameter values.
::::::] (]) 02:24, 29 May 2009 (UTC)


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:::::Geo -- First, I'm having a bit of trouble understanding what you're saying, but if I'm reading it right, you're asking "when did we decide that articles should be sorted by lastname?" The answer is, when we wrote up ].
:::::Second, I think you're asking "why should we stick a DEFAULTSORT in an article when it could be wrong, and we'd have to go through and replace half of them?" Because then you don't have to deal with the other half. Whether it be bot or human, someone, sooner or later, is going to come along and put a DEFAULTSORT into the article. Given enough time, ]. If the bot gets them wrong, someone will have to go in and fix them. If the human gets them wrong, someone will have to go in and fix them. If a bot doesn't deal with it at all, someone will spend the time to go and put one in. If the bot gets them right, that's one less article that a human has to deal with, and that's time saved. The bot's chances of getting them right are directly equal to the chances of the human who put the listas parameter in the talk page in the first place. ] (]) 02:45, 29 May 2009 (UTC)


] (]) 19:40, 29 December 2022 (UTC)
== ANI Thread ==


* ] appears to be the person who actually added the offending material to this article that you created way back in 2009, but Page Curation sends this notice to you. I will copy it to 4throck's talk page. ] (]) 19:46, 29 December 2022 (UTC)
Wanted to let you know that there is an ANI thread started about DefaultsortBot. You can find it ]. - <small style="border:1px solid #990000;padding:1px;">] • ] • 07:42, 27 May 2009 (UTC)</small>

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Bots Newsletter, December 2021

Bots Newsletter, December 2021
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BRFA activity by month

Welcome to the eighth issue of the English Misplaced Pages's Bots Newsletter, your source for all things bot. Maintainers disappeared to parts unknown... bots awakening from the slumber of æons... hundreds of thousands of short descriptions... these stories, and more, are brought to you by Misplaced Pages's most distinguished newsletter about bots.

Our last issue was in August 2019, so there's quite a bit of catching up to do. Due to the vast quantity of things that have happened, the next few issues will only cover a few months at a time. This month, we'll go from September 2019 through the end of the year. I won't bore you with further introductions — instead, I'll bore you with a newsletter about bots.

Overall

  • Between September and December 2019, there were 33 BRFAs. Of these, Green checkmarkY 25 were approved, and 8 were unsuccessful (Dark red X symbolN2 3 denied, Blue question mark? 3 withdrawn, and Expired 2 expired).

September 2019

Look! It's moving. It's alive. It's alive... It's alive, it's moving, it's alive, it's alive, it's alive, it's alive, IT'S ALIVE!
  • Green checkmarkY Monkbot 16, DannyS712 bot 60, Ahechtbot 6, PearBOT 3, Qbugbot 3 · Dark red X symbolN2 DannyS712 bot 5, PkbwcgsBot 24 · Blue question mark? DannyS712 bot 61, TheSandBot 4
  • TParis goes away, UTRSBot goes kaput: Beeblebrox noted that the bot for maintaining on-wiki records of UTRS appeals stopped working a while ago. TParis, the semi-retired user who had previously run it, said they were "unlikely to return to actively editing Misplaced Pages", and the bot had been vanquished by trolls submitting bogus UTRS requests on behalf of real blocked users. While OAuth was a potential fix, neither maintainer had time to implement it. TParis offered to access to the UTRS WMFLabs account to any admin identified with the WMF: "I miss you guys a whole lot but I've also moved on with my life. Good luck, let me know how I can help". Ultimately, SQL ended up in charge. Some progress was made, and the bot continued to work another couple months — but as of press time, UTRSBot has not edited since November 2019.
  • Article-measuring contest resumed: The list of Wikipedians by article count, which had lain dead for several years, was triumphantly resurrected by GreenC following a bot request.

October 2019

November 2019

Now you're thinking with portals.

December 2019

In the next issue of Bots Newsletter:
What's next for our intrepid band of coders, maintainers and approvers?

  • What happens when two bots want to clerk the same page?
  • What happens when an adminbot goes hog wild?
  • Will reFill ever get fixed?
  • What's up with ListeriaBot, anyway?
  • Python 3.4 deprecation? In my PyWikiBot? (It's more likely than you think!)

These questions will be answered — and new questions raised — by the January 2022 Bots Newsletter. Tune in, or miss out!

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Bots Newsletter, January 2022

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Welcome to the ninth issue of the English Misplaced Pages's Bots Newsletter, your source for all things bot. Vicious bot-on-bot edit warring... superseded tasks... policy proposals... these stories, and more, are brought to you by Misplaced Pages's most distinguished newsletter about bots.

After a long hiatus between August 2019 and December 2021, there's quite a bit of ground to cover. Due to the vastness, I decided in December to split the coverage up into a few installments that covered six months each. Some people thought this was a good idea, since covering an entire year in a single issue would make it unmanageably large. Others thought this was stupid, since they were getting talk page messages about crap from almost three years ago. Ultimately, the question of whether each issue covers six months or a year is only relevant for a couple more of them, and then the problem will be behind us forever.

Of course, you can also look on the bright side – we are making progress, and this issue will only be about crap from almost two years ago. Today we will pick up where we left off in December, and go through the first half of 2020.

Overall
In the first half of 2020, there were 71 BRFAs. Of these, Green checkmarkY 59 were approved, and 12 were unsuccessful (with Dark red X symbolN2 8 denied, Blue question mark? 2 withdrawn, and Expired 2 expired).

January 2020

A pythonA pythonA python0.4 pythonsYeah, you're not gonna be able to get away with this anymore.

February 2020

Speaking of WikiProject Molecular Biology, Listeria went wild in February

March 2020

April 2020

Listeria being examined

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May 2020

We heard you like bots, so we made a bot that reports the status of your bots, so now you can use bots while you use bots

June 2020

A partial block averted at the eleventh hour for the robot that makes Legos

Conclusion

  • What's next for our intrepid band of coders, maintainers and approvers?
  • Will Citation bot ever be set free to roam the project?
  • What's the deal with all those book links that InternetArchiveBot is adding to articles?
  • Should we keep using Gerrit for MediaWiki?
  • What if we had a day for bots to make cosmetic edits?

These questions will be answered — and new questions raised — by the February 2022 Bots Newsletter. Tune in, or miss out!

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Ways to improve Extended Graphics Array

Hello, Mikaey,

Thank you for creating Extended Graphics Array.

I have tagged the page as having some issues to fix, as a part of our page curation process and note that:

Much of this page appears to have been copied from https://www.minitool.com/lib/1024-768.html, which does NOT appear to be a wikipedia mirror site. Please rewrite it so that it does not violate copyright

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