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| Removed the quotes. I believe Future Perfect was trying to poke some fun about the whole matter. If you care to look, ] is actually tagged as a page intended to be "humorous". <span style="background:white;color:#007FFF;font-family:Georgia;">] </span><sub>(])</sub> 17:30, 17 July 2009 (UTC) | |||
| Good luck with editing; please drop me a line some time on ]. | |||
| He wasn't. We have almost reached consensus for its redirection, so I really dont think he could be joking about it. --] (]) 17:34, 17 July 2009 (UTC) | |||
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| --<small><span style="border: 1px solid; background-color:darkblue;">]]</span></small> 22:42, 26 May 2009 (UTC) | |||
| How soon will that soon be? Because Athenean is just postponing it. --] (]) 18:02, 17 July 2009 (UTC) | |||
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| ::Does this seem reasonable to you? . Pure greek nationalism.--] (]) 19:00, 17 July 2009 (UTC) | |||
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| ==Your recent edits== | |||
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| Pershendetje patriot, si e kam Saranden?] (]) 10:22, 29 May 2009 (UTC) | |||
| Shume mire eshte Saranda vella faleminderit. Ti si je? Shkon mire zhvillimi i Wikipedias Shqiptare?--] (]) 10:25, 29 May 2009 (UTC) | |||
| :Lere mos e pyet, shume pak veta dhe shumica prej nesh nuk kemi kohe :-). Duhet te njihemi edhe une nga sr jam.] (]) 11:18, 29 May 2009 (UTC) | |||
| Msn ke vella? Te flasim per disa ceshtje, dhe zhvillimin e wikipedias Shqiptare. Po ke me dergo e-mail.--] (]) 11:48, 29 May 2009 (UTC) | |||
| Kam me jep adresen tende te te bej add.] (]) 12:22, 29 May 2009 (UTC) | |||
| Kam te "hapur" setting qe jep mundesine te me dergojne email. Ma dergo msn-in tend me email. Ketu e shikojne shume, prandaj spo e ve--] (]) 13:07, 29 May 2009 (UTC) | |||
| == Shih == | |||
| Ej, hidhi nje sy ]. Kam shume kohe qe po e pergatis, po nuk e kam mbaruar akoma.] (]) 15:36, 1 June 2009 (UTC) | |||
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| Hi, have you some english speaking book/source that mentions him (the same with ])?] (]) 10:56, 2 June 2009 (UTC) | |||
| The particular reference is one of the most reliable on certain issues. However, even if we didnt have a source, it is clear that he is from Paramythia. Check his surname, it is Ajdonati, he took it from the Albanian name of Paramythia. Have a nice day.--] (]) 11:10, 2 June 2009 (UTC) | |||
| You are relying on a 19th century work (1861), there was an consensus about outdated sources. Kountouriotis was Arvanite, according to more reliable sources mentioned on the Arvanites article. ] (]) 11:24, 2 June 2009 (UTC) | |||
| Kountrouriotis was indeed an Arvanite, which is NOT mentioned in the article. For the time being do not revert anything. I'll find a more "approriate" means to include that he was arvanite --] (]) 11:28, 2 June 2009 (UTC) | |||
| you have rendered the article unreadable, no problem with the unreferenced setences. i added the Despotate's foundation+ deleted Aidonati. Would be interested if he is mentioned in a english speaking source. ] (]) 11:38, 2 June 2009 (UTC) | |||
| why dont u give an inline? that's why i deleted your uncomfirmed claim, seems you always are not used to cooperate. | |||
| If u mean this language was spoken by a (uncomfirmed) number of inhabitants that lived in the area, its a clear pov pushing and doesn't need to be mentioned on the template. In that region lived or passed also: Italian, Latin, Vlach, Bulgarian, Serbian, Arabian, Turkish, French, Aromanian speakers.] (]) 09:41, 5 June 2009 (UTC) | |||
| The Albanians were one of the main groups living in epirus, my source is totally valid. You have no right to remove it. I see no POV here, as Albanians were a main group of the area.--] (]) 09:53, 5 June 2009 (UTC) | |||
| Why dont u relax? The stuff you are reading is brain damaging you, be carefull. ] (]) 20:55, 5 June 2009 (UTC) | |||
| == Preveza, Arta == | |||
| To add the Albanian name of a town in the lead, there have to be native speakers of the language linving there. That is not the case in Arta and Preveza, so please stop this nonsense. ] is crystal-clear in this case. Your reference is a medieval history book, which is irrelevant and proves nothing. --] (]) 21:44, 5 June 2009 (UTC) | |||
| Cham Albanians lived even in those areas, so the same rules that apply to Paramythia, Margariti, Philiates etc. apply to them --] (]) 21:47, 5 June 2009 (UTC) | |||
| Nope, they didn't. You don't have a reference for that anyway, and Chams don't live there now. The only reason I agreed to leave the Albanian name in the lead for Igoumenitsa is because there is a reference that mentions that Albanian speakers still live there now. This is not the case for Preveza, and certainyl not Arta. --] (]) 21:48, 5 June 2009 (UTC) | |||
| As I said same rules that apply to Margariti, Igoumenitsa, Philiates, Paramythia aply to Arta, Preveza, Janina. Would you like the issue to be moderated by a third party? --] (]) 21:51, 5 June 2009 (UTC) | |||
| :There were never large numbers of Chams in Preveza, Arta, and Ioannina. Repeating yourself over and over won't help. If we go by your logic, we should also add the Greek name in Korytsa, Vlore, Durres, etc... These articles were perfectly stable before you came in. --] (]) 21:57, 5 June 2009 (UTC) | |||
| Sarandioti if u r righ, this means that on the same basis Greek names should be added in a number of modern Albanian cities in which Greeks lived ones. Well, I believe the Jicerek line leaves only Shkodra outside the Greek-speaking zone. ] (]) 22:42, 5 June 2009 (UTC) | |||
| I think you did not understand what I said, I suggested that the Albanian names should be added as these areas were part of the Albanian principalities and the Cameria region. As for your comments there is a complete difference between nationality/usage of language/religion. The Jirecek line is related not to languge of inhabitants but to sphere of influence/power. Claiming that south of the jirecek line all people were speaking greek as their mother tongue is the same as claiming that north of the line they were all latin speakers. I believe I am clear. Best Regards. --] (]) 22:48, 5 June 2009 (UTC) | |||
| and what language was official in the byzantine empire in which epirus nova/illyrica greaca was a province? let me guess ] (]) 10:22, 6 June 2009 (UTC) | |||
| Alexikua the issue has been clarified by the intervention of the admin in the 3RR report against you. No further discussion is necessary.(2 admins already have supported what I added)--] (]) 10:25, 6 June 2009 (UTC) | |||
| == Lale == | |||
| Si te kam Saranda ;)? Digjo shiko mos mblidhemi njehere ketu Mos bejme ndonje gje te hajrit,nejse flasim.--] (]) 21:55, 5 June 2009 (UTC) | |||
| Patjeter ja do hap nje llogari atje dhe hidhi nje sy kesaj harte. | |||
| --] (]) 23:02, 5 June 2009 (UTC) | |||
| == Greek names, Albanian names == | |||
| Sarandioti my friend, what is it you are trying to do here? I mean, really. Do you think your campaign to remove every single Greek name from cities in southern Albania, and to add the Albanian name of every single Greek city in Ipiros, has even the slightest chance of success? It is as hopeless as it is nationalistic. Like it or not, there are Greek Wikipedians on the English Misplaced Pages. Lots of them. With lots of experience and a good command of the English Language. With these articles watchlisted. And they are not going anywhere. So, take this as a friendly suggestion, please stop this madness. If you chose to continue down this path, it will only lead to a quick exit from wikipedia. --] (]) 00:58, 7 June 2009 (UTC) | |||
| Athenean you are accusing me, without any valid reasons. I added names only in Cham inhabited areas, while you try to add names in towns with no significant greek populations, with methods like "the name x comes from the greek name x". And I didnt remove your attempts, I just told you to add them below.--] (]) 08:18, 7 June 2009 (UTC) | |||
| == June 2009 == | |||
| <div class="user-block"> ] {{#if:24 hours|You have been ''']''' from editing for a period of '''24 hours'''|You have been temporarily ''']''' from editing}} in accordance with ] for {{#if:3RR violation|'''3RR violation'''|repeated ]}}. You are welcome to ] after the block expires. If you believe this block is unjustified you may ] by adding the text <!-- Copy the text as it appears on your page, not as it appears in this edit area. Do not include the "tlx" argument. -->{{tlx|unblock|Your reason here}} below. {{#if:|] (]) 14:01, 7 June 2009 (UTC)}}</div><!-- Template:uw-block2 --> At ], per ]. ] (]) 14:01, 7 June 2009 (UTC) | |||
| {{unblock reviewed|1=I was blocked for breaking the 3RR rule. Alexikua accused me of making more than 3 reverts on the same day in Paramythia article BUT if you see * 1st revert: * 2nd revert: * 3rd revert: * 4th revert: 1 and 2: 6/06/2009 3 and 4: 7/06/2009 so how exactly did I break the 3RR rule? I did not make more than 3 reverts on the same day. ALexikua tried to manipulate this, so I believe that he should be blocked for this. I did not break the rule.--] (]) 14:19, 7 June 2009 (UTC)|decline=The rule is clearly for a 24 hour period; not a physical day. Regardless, the pattern of edit warring is disturbing and would warrant action even if it did not technically break the rule. Please consider limiting yourself to discussion on talk pages after your block expires until you have a better feel for how to work with others in contested articles. Thanks. ] ] 15:19, 7 June 2009 (UTC)}} | |||
| == Comment on block == | |||
| Hello, I'm the admin who closed the 3RR case. The ] was on the ] article. Though there was a general pattern of revert warring by Sarandioti on the language issue, I did not have to rely on that for my conclusion, since the four reverts within 24 hours on ] were quite clear. ] (]) 14:32, 7 June 2009 (UTC) | |||
| I did not know that the 3RR was based on 24 hours system. I thought that it was related to date, rather than amount of hours. Could you plese unblock me since I did not know its exact function. If I knew that it refered to 24 hours, I would not break the rule. --] (]) 15:32, 7 June 2009 (UTC) | |||
| :Can you explain how you knew so much about Misplaced Pages when you first arrived here? I assume you are a reincarnation of an experienced editor. ] (]) 16:23, 7 June 2009 (UTC) | |||
| Not really. I just studied the templates before starting to write, and also talked to some experienced editors in the help channel. About my appeal: Could you please unblock me? I didnt know that 3RR was related to a 24 hours basis, and thoguht that it actually refers to date. I dont like reverting other peoples' edits, but look what Alexikua added now that I'm blocked in the ] article. He added 3 names. If we take a closer we will see that Bulcheriopolis and Antipatrea are medieval and ancient greek names, therefore they are in contrast to the WP:Usage of Modern Names, and he also added a greek version of the Albanian name Berat as Βερατιον. However, there is no greek community in Berat, something that is clear in the article. I am blocked because of a mistaken interpretation of the rule, but the one who reported me did this, in order to promote his nationalist beliefs, as long as I am blocked. --] (]) 16:53, 7 June 2009 (UTC) | |||
| :Note to admins: He also has 5RR in ]. This is an extremely disruptive user with a battleground mentality. His contribs log reveals nothing but edit-warring over the past few days. --] (]) 17:57, 7 June 2009 (UTC) | |||
| And I have a 24 hour block for my mistakes, because I did not fully understand the 3RR policy. But you who are much longer than me here, wrote to me just because I moved a picture to another section and replaced it with a more proper one, '''Athenian: (rv because 1) that is one ugly-ass picture'''. What does this show about you? You say that my log reveals nothing more than edit-warring. I ahve contributed to many other artciles, but lets see your log for these days: reverts, reverts, and personal attacks against other editors. --] (]) 18:02, 7 June 2009 (UTC) | |||
| :Sarandioti, if you come back and continue editing as you were before, you probably will not last very long on Misplaced Pages. Since you have some knowledge of Albanian issues and viewpoints, I urge you to try being diplomatic for a change. You are editing articles subject to ] in a very belligerent manner and you are missing no opportunity to promote the Albanian cause. What kind of a future are you expecting here? ] says: ''Misplaced Pages is a project to create a neutral encyclopedia. Use of the site for other purposes—including, but not limited to, advocacy, propaganda, furtherance of outside conflicts, and political or ideological struggle—is prohibited.'' ] (]) 18:11, 7 June 2009 (UTC) | |||
| And I 100% try to maintain that. But that has to be maintained by all parties. I added one proper picture and just because I moved the modified version of the object in a lower section, the editor Athenian wrote to among others rv because 1) that is one ugly-ass picture. I did not react. Shouldnt he be awarded a block for such comments? And of course now that I am blocked for 24h I cannot report him. So since you are here, could please tell me what should be done? --] (]) 18:16, 7 June 2009 (UTC) | |||
| Please, this is not a right wiki attitude, Saradioti... just the time u r unblocked u start to make the same reverts, without any discussion at any level. What should I conclude about?] (]) 16:03, 8 June 2009 (UTC) | |||
| That is not true at all Alexikoua, because you knew WHY they would get remvoed eventually. You know that they are in contrast to WP:Useage of modern names, and the fact that in those areas there are no greek populations explaining the greek name. Did I revert Himara? No. Did Athenian re-add a whole section whose removal we all decided except him? Yes. You absolutely know that YOU(and Athenian) are vandalising articles, but you still continue. --] (]) 16:13, 8 June 2009 (UTC) | |||
| Your mistake? what was that? You mean reverting and vandalizing? You did it again. Δις εξαμαρτείν ουκ ανδρός σοφού] (]) 17:30, 8 June 2009 (UTC) | |||
| No I didn't. I broke once by mistake the 3RR, and I do not intend to do it again.--] (]) 17:44, 8 June 2009 (UTC) | |||
| == ] warning == | |||
| Hello Sarandioti. I am officially notifying you of ]. Note that any uninvolved administrator may impose sanctions under this Arbcom case. Sanctions may include a ban from editing any articles in this topic area. I am taking this step because you appear to have learned nothing from your recent block, and you have resumed your contentious nationalistic editing since your block expired. ] (]) 17:41, 8 June 2009 (UTC) | |||
| Thank you, for notifying me but I have no relation to ]. | |||
| I have not edited articles regarding that topic, and do not intend to. --] (]) 17:43, 8 June 2009 (UTC) | |||
| You know ], very cool.] (]) 21:13, 8 June 2009 (UTC) | |||
| Is this under arbitration?--] (]) 21:15, 8 June 2009 (UTC) | |||
| :Admins may issue sanctions under ARBMAC on any articles related to the Balkans. Your edits are unfortunately quite similar to the nationalistic fiddling that ARBMAC was addressed to. Under the heading 'Area of conflict' we read: ''Many of these conflicts are grounded in matters external to Misplaced Pages, including long-standing historical, national, and ethnic disputes in the region. The area of conflict in this case shall therefore be considered to be the entire set of Balkan-related articles, broadly interpreted.'' | |||
| :If you would have the patience to wait to get consensus before changing articles, none of this furor would be necessary. So far, you seem to be the perfect example of a nationalistic edit-warrior, promoting the Albanian cause at every opportunity. ] (]) 22:12, 8 June 2009 (UTC) | |||
| But I have used sources, in everything I have done, and have won a consensus. What should I do? Wait for nationalist greeks to change their thoughts? Look at most articles. I have opened topics in talkpages. --] (]) 22:15, 8 June 2009 (UTC) | |||
| I'm sure we can find a common point, why dont u just sit and talk together?] (]) 22:59, 8 June 2009 (UTC) | |||
| I do, I sincerely do, but look at yourfriend Athenian adding setions when the rest hav e decided to talk about it. And I have opened the talkpage at Himara, why dont you join? I am already there. --] (]) 06:33, 9 June 2009 (UTC) | |||
| You are surprising me, about the ancient Greek origin of the Souliotes (that's pro-Greek and unsourced off course). ] (]) 06:59, 9 June 2009 (UTC) | |||
| Just a small mistake...hehe --] (]) 07:01, 9 June 2009 (UTC) | |||
| Men, I know u r good in arguements, but have more patience. I notice u just broke the 3rr again, tell me one good reason not to report u?] (]) 07:04, 9 June 2009 (UTC) | |||
| where? By mistake, if I did it, I reassure you --] (]) 07:06, 9 June 2009 (UTC) | |||
| You're mistaken, I checked them all. --] (]) 07:08, 9 June 2009 (UTC) | |||
| Seems that's your only job here, ever tought that u can discuss topics?] (]) 07:12, 9 June 2009 (UTC) | |||
| Well, I try to discuss, but its clearly a monolog since no one listens and does "οτι του καπνισει" --] (]) 07:14, 9 June 2009 (UTC) | |||
| On Himara, for example, whats the problem about the Greek name? I mean why then a represantative of the Greek minority in Albania has became mayor there, it proves that there are Greeks living there, isn't it?] (]) 07:23, 9 June 2009 (UTC) | |||
| He is of vlach origin from the village of Kurvelesh, and he was voted because he promised that he would not sell lands in non-albanian companies. Now no one wants him, plus he cannot be re-elected as he is a convicted person. Also in grece mr. Pagalos is voted, does that prove that the majority of greece are arvanites? --] (]) 07:26, 9 June 2009 (UTC) | |||
| ==Her' I come!== | |||
| '''You'll never walk alone''' --] (]) 07:27, 9 June 2009 (UTC) | |||
| LONG LIVE LRK! --] (]) 07:30, 9 June 2009 (UTC) | |||
| ==Your recent edits== | |||
| Hi there. In case you didn't know, when you add content to ] and Misplaced Pages pages that have open discussion, you should ] by typing four ]s ( ~~~~ ) at the end of your comment. If you can't type the tilde character, you should click on the signature button ] located above the edit window. This will automatically insert a signature with your name and the time you posted the comment. This information is useful because other editors will be able to tell who said what, and when. Thank you!<!-- Template:Tilde --> --] (]) 11:49, 9 June 2009 (UTC) | |||
| == Arbcom == | |||
| Sarandioti, your town-names case isn't ripe for Arbcom, they take cases only after a lot more efforts at other forms of dispute resolution have failed. And let me tell you, you're lucky this is going to be declined, because going through an Arbcom case is no fun (as I am experiencing myself right now in a different case). I can try and have a look at this later, but you must first stop the revert-warring, and you also really need to stop those efforts at co-ordinated campaigning off-wiki and recruiting friends to join the dispute. I'm currently rather busy getting the arbitrators off my own back, but once I'm free I'll have a look and see if we can solve that case. In general, these "I want ''my'' national name on ''your'' article" conflicts come up every now and again, and they are rather silly, so please consider if you really want to keep squabbling over such matters. ] ] 12:57, 9 June 2009 (UTC) | |||
| Mate, look at the talkpages I have continuously tried to regulate this somehow, but neither ALexikoua, nor Athenean listen. They just keep reverting, and then the other editors revert them back, and , well, you cant stop a river once it starts flowing. --] (]) 13:07, 9 June 2009 (UTC) | |||
| == Blocked == | == Blocked == | ||
| For your continued indulgence in edit warring, despite being blocked for the very same offense just weeks ago, I have blocked your account for 1 month. <span style="background:white;color:#007FFF;font-family:Georgia;">] </span><sub>(])</sub> 00:30, 21 July 2009 (UTC) | |||
| It is a not sockpuppet account! Do you have proof? or just blank accusations?--] (]) 14:59, 9 June 2009 (UTC) | |||
| :I am a ]. From my technical analysis, I determined that you engaged in abusive sockpuppetry by using XXxLRKistxXx for edit warring. <span style="background:white;color:#007FFF;font-family:Georgia;">] </span><sub>(])</sub> 15:18, 9 June 2009 (UTC) | |||
| Well, could you please re-check? Just one re-check I ask for nothing more. --] (]) 15:23, 9 June 2009 (UTC) | |||
| And why would I have a sockpuppet NOW, a few hours ago I filed an arbitration case!?!?!. Does it look normal to you that? To ahve a sockpuppet and task for arbitration? --] (]) 15:24, 9 June 2009 (UTC) | |||
| If you have doubts, put me on probation for a month but you cant just block for a month just like that. Earleier I made 4Re and I reported myself, so why would I do that if I ntended to maintain a sockpuppet? --] (]) 15:35, 9 June 2009 (UTC) | |||
| == Your unblock request == | |||
| Sarandioti, if Nishkid blocked you after a ] test, it means he found that the other account and yours were editing from the same IP address, i.e. most likely from the same computer. I cannot know what exactly he found, because the details are secret, but I have no reason to doubt his finding, and given this fact combined with your behaviour as allies in an edit war, and the fact that you yourself have done hardly anything on this project than assist others in edit-warring, you'll have ''a lot'' of explaining to do to convince people that you are all good-faith contributors. There's no way I could unblock you. ] ] 18:30, 9 June 2009 (UTC) | |||
| No need for you to intervene I have started to regulate the issue with NIshkid himself. --] (]) 18:37, 9 June 2009 (UTC) | |||
| :Per our e-mail disucssion, I have decided to reduce your block length to three days. In the interim, please familiarize yourself with ] and Misplaced Pages's other policies. <span style="background:white;color:#007FFF;font-family:Georgia;">] </span><sub>(])</sub> 12:42, 10 June 2009 (UTC) | |||
| I am glad we reached a reasonable agreement --] (]) 15:27, 10 June 2009 (UTC) | |||
| == Courtesy notice == | |||
| Hello Sarandioti. You're being discussed at ] and also at ]. ] (]) 15:46, 11 June 2009 (UTC) | |||
| I know. I already have sent a message to Nishkid as a reply to the accusations towards me by the greek nationalist Athenean. --] (]) 15:51, 11 June 2009 (UTC) | |||
| == Arbitration request declined == | |||
| Hello, Sarandioti. A recent arbitration request in which you were named as a party, "Arbitration request on greek/albanian zones", has been declined by the Arbitration Committee. If this is still an issue that needs resolution, please pursue other areas in ] first, such as a ], ], or ] or ] (preferably roughly in that order). Should you need assistance getting yourself and the other editors involved started on one of these processes, please feel free to contact me or another ]. For the Arbitration Committee, ] <sup>(]/]/])</sup> 17:13, 11 June 2009 (UTC) | |||
| == List of towns in Albania that may need attention == | |||
| Hello Sarandioti. It seems you believe that some of the towns in southern Albania should not have Greek names included in their articles. Can you make a list of the towns that you think need to have their names reconsidered? If you believe that any demographic data should be used, when deciding what names should go into a town article, can you say which censuses you consider reliable? | |||
| In your opinion, what parts of Albania currently contain a Greek minority? Thanks, ] (]) 16:32, 12 June 2009 (UTC) | |||
| :Firstly not "in my opinion", but according to the OFFICIAL data, which is not questioned by the greek state. | |||
| :According to the official data, the minority zone is :99 villages in the districts of Gjirokaster and Sarande. NOT in the towns of ], ], ], but in 99 villages and communities such as ]. Needless to say that no town or village in the District of Vlore is a minority area, but the greek editors keep adding a greek name in ], wqhich is in the Vlore district. You will see in dropoll article history that I have made no changes there because indeed it is an official greek minority zone, but as you know I have continuously removed greek names from gjirokaster, sarande(my hometown), delvine, himare because they are NOT included in the minority villages/towns as always according to OFFICIAL data, which has never been questioned by ANY state. Certain greek editors like Athenean and Alexikoua kept adding them by using unofficial data by various non-official organisatios whose "research" is recognised by NO ONE, or by mere reasearchers without any concrete reliability other than their own beliefs. So how are we going to add names in albanian towns which the greek state itself does not see as minority zones? And even if we recognise them as reliable, then we would have to remove the greek names of other towns like ], because Athenean's and ALexikoua sources claim that in Vlore District(where the town of Himare is located) there are only 202 greeks, so even according to their sources their edits are not correct. But in ] article both of them use tom winnifrith a vlach-interested independent researcher(no official reliability), to say that the majority indeed is greek in himare and from ancient times!(byzantine sources like Cantacuzene name them Αλβανοι αυτονομοι νομαδες/Albanian autonomous nomads). Of course they are never going to accept that their edits are erroneous, and will keep reverting official status of the towns, to dubious pro-greek status, and will never get a 3RR because each one makes 2 reverts per day. Of course greek organisations, and greek/pro-greek researchers may have arguments against the official data(like every minority in the world), but that is the official data, and you may question it as much as you want, but OFFICIAL MINORITY DATA is the one that should be used for names on towns no notions by dubious researchers and various authors. --] (]) 18:37, 12 June 2009 (UTC) | |||
| --] (]) 18:37, 12 June 2009 (UTC) | |||
| ::The links you propose are based on the totalitarian;s regime 1989 census, however dictatorship is long forgotten in Albania (since 1991). According to the Albanian government's 1995 statement there are also Greeks in many other places out of the so called totalitarian regime's 'minority zone', Petiffer is quite clear about that (we had already talked and given the appropriate url;s and books several times).] (]) 13:37, 13 June 2009 (UTC) | |||
| :::Aleixikoua you can call whatever you whatever you want, but the OFFICIAL data is what the greek government recognises as the greek minority zone. Read above, I explained that every author, researcher or anyone can claim whatever he wants, but official data is accepted by all countries. Pro-Albanian writers say that there is no minority at all, and they have the right to say it, but it is not official data. Pettifer or anybody can write as pro-greek/greek researcher, but again we cannot use them as a source instead of official data, just because we *like* what they say. PLease do not write anything else, before EdJohnston replies to what I wrote, in order to maintain a stable conversation. --] (]) 13:54, 13 June 2009 (UTC) | |||
| :::And the link I added is not my link, it is a source used by YOU and ATHENEAN, to add greek names and minority numbers in ] and ]. So now you're calling your OWN source, inaccurate, just because it doesnt verify all your claims?Hmm... --] (]) 13:57, 13 June 2009 (UTC) | |||
| ::Albania, has not official ethnographic data. The one you say are estimates, and they are added by Balkanian ] (not me and Athenean), without consensus reached on talk page. The way you act seems your live in wiki will be very short. I'm sorry u r too ethnically povish in this community.] (]) 15:08, 13 June 2009 (UTC) | |||
| ::Did I say anything about balkanian's estimates? No. I said official data is the one to be used as it is accepted by all countries. Simple as that. And please respect the fact that I asked you not to write again until EdJohnston replied to my reply to his question. --] (]) 15:11, 13 June 2009 (UTC) | |||
| :Why u speak very good Greek? suppose in your town that language is widespread.] (]) 15:56, 13 June 2009 (UTC) | |||
| ::I speak very good greek because I live in Greece. Saranda is a Cham population center, very few greeks live there. --] (]) 16:45, 13 June 2009 (UTC) | |||
| :I have added indents to the above comments to clarify who said what. Anyone may undo these changes if you prefer the original format. Sarandioti linked to by Albania about the location of its official minorities. While the report was presented in 2001, it relies on the 1989 census, one that was criticized above by Alexikoua since it was taken under the Albanian dictatorship, and in his view may have undercounted the Greeks. Who is Pettifer? Is there some better-quality data on the location of the Greek minority that can be found in reliable sources, even though it does not form any part of the official position taken by Albania and Greece? If this was already discussed in detail somewhere else, can somebody give a pointer? Thanks, ] (]) 16:39, 15 June 2009 (UTC) | |||
| Pettifer is just an author, who expressed his view on the issue, as there are other authors that claim that there are no greeks but hellenized albanians in Albania. Both opinions exist, the one raises the number of the minority while the other erases the whole minority issues. NO, we will not rely to anyone, and we mustnt, we should rely only on official data. Official data is clear:99 villages including Dropull, Dervican etc. I ask nothing more than the use of official data accepted by both countries. And I want these changes to be made by an admin, and afterwards the articles to be protected. Unfortunately, not EdJohnston, because all parties who have "researched" the issue, either take a 1)progreek stance and multiply minority numbers 2)proalbanian stance lowering minority numbers to practically zero. Therefore we should use only official data. Alexikoua may argue against it as much as he wants, but that data was accepted as legal and correct by the GREEK STATE. --] (]) 18:23, 15 June 2009 (UTC) | |||
| == ARBMAC sanctions == | |||
| :Sarandioti's claim that Pettifer is "just an author" is disingenuous and empty. Pettifer is a specialist on the subject, and his book is verifiable and reliable. Sarandioti obviously does not know about ] and ]. His insistence on using official data is also a case in point. Official data, expecially when it concerns minorities or is from totalitarian dictatorships, needs to be taken with a grain of salt. Misplaced Pages does not care whether data is official or not. The only thing that matters is whether the source is neutral and verifiable. Pettifer is both. The Albanian census from 1989 is neither. --] (]) 20:35, 15 June 2009 (UTC) | |||
| {{notice|1=Under the terms of ] I am placing you on a '''one revert per week''' limitation on all articles within the ] defined in that case. You are prohibited from making more than one reversion per week per article, not including obvious vandalism. A reversion is any edit that substantially restores the article to prior content, whether or not it is a reversion in the purely technical sense. '''All reversions must be discussed on the article talk page.''' Violations will result in escalating blocks. You may request to have the 1RR limit reviewed or lifted after 3 months. <span style="background:white;color:#007FFF;font-family:Georgia;">] </span><sub>(])</sub> 00:30, 21 July 2009 (UTC)}} | |||
| Pettifer= author, Official data=official data. It is recognised even by the greek state. Greek organisations may believe whatever they want, call the data however they like, but facts are facts and official data should be used not the opinion of an individual. You may call it totalitarian regime creation, or anything else, but this data is used by your own country, so there's no point in what you're saying. --] (]) 21:10, 15 June 2009 (UTC) | |||
| ==Vlorë== | |||
| How is Pettifer a reliable source when what you cite of his studies about vlachs are broad generalising statments about whole towns like Himare, Sarande and Delvine being centers of the greek minority or even majority greek towns in their population? Where are the hard numbers from Pettifer? How is he a specialist on the subject? Is he a ethnographer, historian, archaeologist, sociologist? Pettifer is merely a journalist and author who has written tourist guide books on the balkan region, by traveling around the region. In that light any traveler of the region can be considered an expert on the history and ethnography of the region? This is anything but serious, and Alexikoua and you Athenean are extreme nationalistic POV pushers who want to grossly inflate the members and zones of the greek minority whithin Albania in order to represent southern Albanian as Greek in character, culture and population which it is certainly not.--] (]) 21:55, 15 June 2009 (UTC) | |||
| Consensus over the Greek name has not been established. The talk page clearly shows one user who is against having the name in the lead, and one user who is for it. Simply agreeing with one party and thus shifting the scales to a 2:1 majority does not entitle you to perform edit to the article. This is exactly the sort of tendentious behavior that leads to edit wars in the first place. I request that you revert your edit on ] and ask Athenean, Markussep and others to discuss on the article talk page. <span style="background:white;color:#007FFF;font-family:Georgia;">] </span><sub>(])</sub> 15:11, 25 August 2009 (UTC) | |||
| == sockpuppetry case == | |||
| :There is no point in continuing a discussion with people who have no understanding of how wikipedia works and who repeat the same empty statements over and over. --] (]) 22:20, 15 June 2009 (UTC) | |||
| A sockpuppetry case has been opened against you here: . --] (]) 04:55, 13 September 2009 (UTC) | |||
| I added all arguments and made the case clear, all YOU have done is repeat empty statements like "not reliable because well albania was a communist state". 1)POV statement 2)data is recognised by everyone even greece. So I think it is YOU the one who has a problem here friend probably because you cant prove your greek nationalist claims. --] (]) 22:22, 15 June 2009 (UTC) | |||
| == Blocked again == | |||
| Athenean, the only one who makes empty staments and cites travelers as serious authorities in ethnography is you.--] (]) 14:06, 16 June 2009 (UTC) | |||
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| |text = '''It has been established that you engaged in ]''' by evidence presented here:<br />], and you are therefore ] {{#ifeq:3 months|indefinite|indefinitely.|for a period of 3 months. You're welcome to make ''useful'' contributions after the block expires.}}<br />If you believe this block is unjustified, you may ] by adding the text <!-- Copy the text as it appears on your page, not as it appears in this edit area. Do not include the "tlx" argument. -->{{tlx|unblock|Your reason here}} below, but you should read our ] first. {{#if:yes|] 15:40, 15 September 2009 (UTC)}} | |||
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| == Unblock == | |||
| {{unblock reviewed|1=Six months ago ] <span class="plainlinks " style="">(] '''·''' ])</span> told me that if I didn't create any other accounts on wikipedia I could request to be unblocked after those six months. The six months passed and I'm ready to get back if an admin is willing to unblock me. During those six months many other Albanian users were accused of being me while they had nothing to do with me (] <span class="plainlinks " style="">(] '''·''' ])</span>, ] <span class="plainlinks " style="">(] '''·''' ])</span>, ] <span class="plainlinks " style="">(] '''·''' ])</span>, ] <span class="plainlinks " style="">(] '''·''' ])</span> and many IP editors). All this time although I have been watching what's going on in wikipedia I haven't made any edits and my only recent edits are on wikicommons where I'm not blocked on a file talk. I understand my past mistakes and I won't repeat them. Although my sock log seems large only under the username Kreshnik25 I used an account without telling who I am because I was angry. I was angry because I was blocked for three months for having a sockpuppet named Alarichus but it wasn't me. Earth Corporation isn't me and you'll get that if you monitor his IP, which you didn't because the admin who blocked him thought that anyone who copies my edits is me. I told PeterSymonds about Muzakaj being me like I told him that Honeyncookies was me after starting the article ] that I wanted to write but I couldn't because I was banned. I used NguyenneyugN to start a report and nothing else. XXxLRKistxXx although listed as a sockpuppet was just a guy I asked to join wikipedia if he wanted to. The admin who blocked me understood that and lowered my block to two days telling me that I shouldn't ask from people to join wikipedia. I have completely realized my past mistakes during those six months and won't repeat them. I was going to delay my request but I see that other users banned have been unblocked so I ask the same for me. '''Request''':I want on my talkpage during this request only administrators, checkusers, clerks, members of arbcom to leave comments. Users whose usernames I mentioned are welcome to leave a brief comment but no overlong ones.--] (]) 09:11, 10 June 2010 (UTC)|decline=Per comments below and linked diffs. — ] (]) 15:49, 11 June 2010 (UTC)}} | |||
| I have been unable to locate any such comment by ] referenced in the sockpuppet investigation archive or on his or your talk pages. Can you provide a link to it? ]:<small>]</small> 18:09, 10 June 2010 (UTC) | |||
| Let me show you it. There it was. Now it's gone again. ] ] 13:46, 16 June 2009 (UTC) | |||
| :I do not think this user should unblocked. First, his last confirmed sock was NguyenneyugN, which was blocked on December 23, less than six months ago. He created that sock specifically to harass another user. Second, I have good reason to believe that he is currently editing using yet another sockpuppet account, and I plan to file an SPI soon. He also refuses to own up to half of his sock accounts, such as Alarichus, who was '''confirmed''' as one of his socks. Alarichus was created a day after Sarandioti received a one month block, and Sarandioti didn't really edit after that block expired. It was then found out that he and Alarichus had used the same IP address at one point, and he was rightly issued a three month block. He then began socking with the Kreshnik account, and I believe he never really stopped. ObserverFromAbove was new user strangely familiar with wikipedia who was reminiscent of Sarandioti, who edited from an open proxy. He disappeared when it was blocked, then a few days later, another highly precocious account appeared. Lastly, Sarandioti was a extremely disruptive troll, filled with an unequenchable hatred (and yes, I use that word to its full extent), as can be seen by his hateful comments here (he praises the ]). This maniac has no place on wikipedia. ] (]) 19:43, 10 June 2010 (UTC) | |||
| Would really like to say that I understood, but I don't. That was unsuccessful. hehe | |||
| Btw since you seem available now take a look at the topic above this one. --] (]) 13:56, 16 June 2009 (UTC) | |||
| I poured my thoughts on Sarandioti's readmission at Daniel's talk page: ]. I think his appeal is sincere and Misplaced Pages would have less disruption while Sarandioti is around. --<sub><span style="border:1.5px solid black;padding:1px;">]</span></sub><sup><small>]</small></sup> 07:49, 19 June 2010 (UTC) | |||
| ==Blocked for edit-warring in ]== | |||
| You are blocked for edit-warring in the aforementioned article. I block you, because I regard what happened in the article yesterday as totally unacceptable: almost 20 reverts in a row from both sides within 20 hours, during which, when one user reverted for the third time (including you), he was succeeded by another one. Your rights to question my action are presented below. You were already once blocked for editwarring, so this time the block is 48 hours. Regards.--] (]) 10:33, 17 June 2009 (UTC) | |||
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| :That would be something like biggest mistake since Misplaced Pages founding, as Sarandioti is blocked like problematic ] editor, with multiple sockpuppets, and with awful pro-Albanian fighting attitude, so i am glad this pointless request has been denied. --<span style="text-shadow:grey 0.2em 0.2em 0.1em; class=texhtml">]<sup>]</sup></span> 19:26, 19 June 2010 (UTC) | |||
| {{unblock reviewed|1=Did I break any rules? NO. I reverted just because they kept removing stable material with 15 sources without providing any source. And I am the one who asked for mediation, so it is unlogical the same one who asks mediation, to edit-war, dont you think? Thats all. And im in the middle of discussion in the ] article. called for mediation myself. So please unblock since I did not break any rule. And the fact that I asked mediation in that shows that I have no intention to edit-war.|decline=Only one thing really shows an lack of intention to edit war, and that's not edit warring. — ] (]) 15:06, 17 June 2009 (UTC)}} --] (]) 10:47, 17 June 2009 (UTC) | |||
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Epirotes
Removed the quotes. I believe Future Perfect was trying to poke some fun about the whole matter. If you care to look, meta:The Wrong Version is actually tagged as a page intended to be "humorous". Nishkid64 (Make articles, not wikidrama) 17:30, 17 July 2009 (UTC)
He wasn't. We have almost reached consensus for its redirection, so I really dont think he could be joking about it. --Sarandioti (talk) 17:34, 17 July 2009 (UTC)
- Sarandioti, you seem to have been missing the inevitable irony in anybody linking to WP:WRONG. The whole point about that page is to remind people of the fact that administrators are not normally supposed to judge which of two versions in an edit war is "right" or "wrong" – except in some exceptionally outrageous cases of somebody edit-warring against clear consensus (and the present case doesn't rise to that level), most admins will just randomly protect wichever version they encounter first. And if you think this version had a clear consensus, you are mistaken: I think I, for one, made it quite clear in my very first posting to the talk page that I find this version ridiculously messed up. We might soon have a legitimate consensus for redirecting, but we certainly haven't got a consensus for that particular version. Fut.Perf. ☼ 17:44, 17 July 2009 (UTC)
How soon will that soon be? Because Athenean is just postponing it. --Sarandioti (talk) 18:02, 17 July 2009 (UTC)
- Look, Athenean and I were having a very reasonable and constructive discussion. Unlike some here, he is actually a person one can talk with reasonably. Just try not to interrupt it too much and we might soon get somewhere, okay? Fut.Perf. ☼ 18:11, 17 July 2009 (UTC)
- Does this seem reasonable to you? . Pure greek nationalism.--Sarandioti (talk) 19:00, 17 July 2009 (UTC)
- Consensus was reached finally, article redirected. --Sarandioti (talk) 22:57, 17 July 2009 (UTC)
Blocked
For your continued indulgence in edit warring, despite being blocked for the very same offense just weeks ago, I have blocked your account for 1 month. Nishkid64 (Make articles, not wikidrama) 00:30, 21 July 2009 (UTC)
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Vlorë
Consensus over the Greek name has not been established. The talk page clearly shows one user who is against having the name in the lead, and one user who is for it. Simply agreeing with one party and thus shifting the scales to a 2:1 majority does not entitle you to perform this edit to the article. This is exactly the sort of tendentious behavior that leads to edit wars in the first place. I request that you revert your edit on Vlorë and ask Athenean, Markussep and others to discuss on the article talk page. Nishkid64 (Make articles, not wikidrama) 15:11, 25 August 2009 (UTC)
sockpuppetry case
A sockpuppetry case has been opened against you here: . --Athenean (talk) 04:55, 13 September 2009 (UTC)
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Sarandioti (block log • active blocks • global blocks • contribs • deleted contribs • filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser (log))
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Six months ago PeterSymonds (talk · contribs) told me that if I didn't create any other accounts on wikipedia I could request to be unblocked after those six months. The six months passed and I'm ready to get back if an admin is willing to unblock me. During those six months many other Albanian users were accused of being me while they had nothing to do with me (Sulmues (talk · contribs), Kushtrim123 (talk · contribs), ZjarriRrethues (talk · contribs), ObserverFromAbove (talk · contribs) and many IP editors). All this time although I have been watching what's going on in wikipedia I haven't made any edits and my only recent edits are on wikicommons where I'm not blocked on a file talk. I understand my past mistakes and I won't repeat them. Although my sock log seems large only under the username Kreshnik25 I used an account without telling who I am because I was angry. I was angry because I was blocked for three months for having a sockpuppet named Alarichus but it wasn't me. Earth Corporation isn't me and you'll get that if you monitor his IP, which you didn't because the admin who blocked him thought that anyone who copies my edits is me. I told PeterSymonds about Muzakaj being me like I told him that Honeyncookies was me after starting the article Mariano Lagasca that I wanted to write but I couldn't because I was banned. I used NguyenneyugN to start a report and nothing else. XXxLRKistxXx although listed as a sockpuppet was just a guy I asked to join wikipedia if he wanted to. The admin who blocked me understood that and lowered my block to two days telling me that I shouldn't ask from people to join wikipedia. I have completely realized my past mistakes during those six months and won't repeat them. I was going to delay my request but I see that other users banned have been unblocked so I ask the same for me. Request:I want on my talkpage during this request only administrators, checkusers, clerks, members of arbcom to leave comments. Users whose usernames I mentioned are welcome to leave a brief comment but no overlong ones.--Sarandioti (talk) 09:11, 10 June 2010 (UTC)
Decline reason:
Per comments below and linked diffs. — Daniel Case (talk) 15:49, 11 June 2010 (UTC)
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I have been unable to locate any such comment by Petersymonds referenced in the sockpuppet investigation archive or on his or your talk pages. Can you provide a link to it? Accounting4Taste:talk 18:09, 10 June 2010 (UTC)
- I do not think this user should unblocked. First, his last confirmed sock was NguyenneyugN, which was blocked on December 23, less than six months ago. He created that sock specifically to harass another user. Second, I have good reason to believe that he is currently editing using yet another sockpuppet account, and I plan to file an SPI soon. He also refuses to own up to half of his sock accounts, such as Alarichus, who was confirmed as one of his socks. Alarichus was created a day after Sarandioti received a one month block, and Sarandioti didn't really edit after that block expired. It was then found out that he and Alarichus had used the same IP address at one point, and he was rightly issued a three month block. He then began socking with the Kreshnik account, and I believe he never really stopped. ObserverFromAbove was new user strangely familiar with wikipedia who was reminiscent of Sarandioti, who edited from an open proxy. He disappeared when it was blocked, then a few days later, another highly precocious account appeared. Lastly, Sarandioti was a extremely disruptive troll, filled with an unequenchable hatred (and yes, I use that word to its full extent), as can be seen by his hateful comments here (he praises the Pontic Greek Genocide). This maniac has no place on wikipedia. Athenean (talk) 19:43, 10 June 2010 (UTC)
I poured my thoughts on Sarandioti's readmission at Daniel's talk page: User_talk:Daniel_Case#Reconsider_Sarandioti_admission. I think his appeal is sincere and Misplaced Pages would have less disruption while Sarandioti is around. --Sulmues 07:49, 19 June 2010 (UTC)
- That would be something like biggest mistake since Misplaced Pages founding, as Sarandioti is blocked like problematic WP:DE editor, with multiple sockpuppets, and with awful pro-Albanian fighting attitude, so i am glad this pointless request has been denied. --Tadija 19:26, 19 June 2010 (UTC)