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== from ] - an explanation of your block, etc == | |||
For the record, my account of my actions is as follows: | |||
#I responded to an ] thread by reviewing the talk page, user contributions, user talk pages, and block logs of the editors involved. One editor had a history of edit warring, for which they had received several blocks. The other editor had a clean block log and no such history. | |||
#I the editor with prior history, and to the other. | |||
#I made two mistakes: the editor who was blocked was only blocked for 48 hours, despite previously having been blocked for 31 hours for edit warring, implying that a 3-day block might have been more appropriate; conversely, in warning the other editor I mistakenly stated that they had "clearly violated ]" when their reverts had actually taken place over more than 24 hours. | |||
#I my admin actions at ANI, where they caused neither surprise nor criticism. | |||
#I then decided to to the request for outside input. This input was based on a very straightforward interpretation of the word "firearm", specifically the fact that the word "arm" in this context means "weapon". | |||
My administrative action was performed as an ] - please read up on that. If after doing so, you still believe that I have acted improperly, then I urge you to post at ] requesting review. | |||
But a word of warning. It seems to me that you need to make a case that my interpretation in #5 prevents me from acting as an administrator towards you. Your problem is that you can't really connect the two aspects of my conduct - my opinion that firearms are ''essentially weapons'', and my admin actions against disruptive editors - without implying that I am on some kind of mission to repress the view that firearms are tools that are used as weapons, and that I have so little integrity that I would be willing to use admin tools to further that campaign. I'm sure you're aware of our policy on ], and that you have quite a high profile right now at the admin noticeboards. Considering these factors, and the simplicity of the counter-argument that you're up against (sour grapes from a blocked editor), you might want to just let this issue drop. <font color="006622">]</font><sup><small><b>]</b></small></sup> 16:01, 13 April 2009 (UTC) | |||
:Thanks for the lengthy and meaningless treatise on why you thought you were justified. The facts are that you were an interested party to the argument and you banned somebody who disagreed with you. You did not recuse yourself from either the admin actions or the argument in question. In the business or political world, this would be unethical and possibly illegal. On Misplaced Pages, it's just plain rotten. I am really wondering why you came here to try to explain yourself. Did you ask the admin community if your actions were justified or did you come up with this all on your own? Notice that I didn't take the time to "report" you or take any action against you. Not going to lower myself to your level, bud. --] (]) 03:01, 17 April 2009 (UTC) | |||
::I came here to explain what happened because that's expected, when editors raise a complaint about admin conduct. On reflection I probably should have avoided communicating with you - any idiot could have predicted that the discussion wouldn't end with you happy to've been blocked - and since this attempt seems to have been entirely unproductive I can only apologise for any stress caused. <font color="006622">]</font><sup><small><b>]</b></small></sup> 14:17, 17 April 2009 (UTC) | |||
:::No stress, but I doubt you're worried about that. I'm trying to impart that you acted unethically. Though you might not realize it, your actions were "unfair" if you'll allow me to use words you might understand. You might keep plugging along believing that your actions were above board because you justify it some way internally. The reason I'm spending my time explaining it is because I truly believe that you DON'T realize it and I might actually convince you. So, if you're reading this, when you take authoritative actions that you or your arguments benefit from, then you are acting unethcially. If you act in one realm, taking action in the other realm is a conflict of interests. If you are interested that the outcome of the debate is one that agrees with you (You are), then you cannot in good faith ban me and further refuse to ban the other party whom you agree with. Crystal clear to me. Did you consult with anybody else on this one? --] (]) 15:09, 17 April 2009 (UTC) | |||
::::I appreciate you taking the time to try to point out what you see as unfairness on my part. Needless to say, I disagree with you on a couple of points... | |||
::::You've said that I or my arguments have benefitted from my admin actions. But they haven't. The edit war was over whether the Talk page section heading should be "Regarding the attempted POV change in the lede to state that a firearm is a "tool," not a weapon." or simply "Change in the lede to state that a firearm is a "tool," not a weapon." and the last revert in this edit war was to your preferred form of words. ''You won your edit war''. I deliberately avoided getting involved in that content dispute. Instead, my admin actions had the effect of stopping the disruption. | |||
::::The only effect that my personal opinions had on my actions was to push me towards sanctioning the editors rather than protecting the page, since I strongly felt that this was a silly issue to be edit warring over. Even so, I think any reasonable admin would have made the same decision, considering the ongoing talk page discussion over actual article content, and protecting the page would have prevented that - and, indeed, encouraged an edit war in the article itself. | |||
::::The last question, I think, is whether I should have issued identical blocks to both parties(would this have been OK with you?) or whether I should have considered prior conduct and block logs. I think that in this regard I acted in accordance with ] in considering each editor's history. You'd been blocked three times for edit warring, and twice for personal attacks or harassment, whereas Theserialcomma had never been blocked and hadn't even been warned for edit warring before. The fact that they didn't revert again, despite being technically able to do so, shows that a block was not necessary. | |||
::::Finally, I believe that Misplaced Pages would be harmed if we were to take the position that admins may only use their tools in cases where they have no opinion on any related content issues, political/religious/nationalistic questions, etc. Instead, I believe that admins should separate their personal opinions from their decisions, so that their administrative decisions are impartial. Needless to say, neither you nor I is capable of objectively determining whether I acted impartially in this particular incident. As such, I'm not sure how to productively continue this discussion. <font color="006622">]</font><sup><small><b>]</b></small></sup> 17:44, 17 April 2009 (UTC) | |||
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I've reviewed the edits and believe I found what you might not have but what about the edit on ]..legit or no?<br>] (]) 20:18, 6 May 2009 (UTC) | I've reviewed the edits and believe I found what you might not have but what about the edit on ]..legit or no?<br>] (]) 20:18, 6 May 2009 (UTC) | ||
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For creating a userpage that made me smile I'd like to present you with a Userpage Barnstar. --] (]) 02:47, 9 June 2009 (UTC) | For creating a userpage that made me smile I'd like to present you with a Userpage Barnstar. --] (]) 02:47, 9 June 2009 (UTC) | ||
== 10mm Auto == | |||
== Assault weapon discussion edits == | |||
This isn't a warning or anything like that. When you edited the image link in the 10mm Auto article to ] you changed spelling and added brackets in the filename, not the caption. The result was a broken image link. Using the preview button will help you avoid that sort of thing. ] (]) 08:51, 5 July 2009 (UTC) | |||
:Yep. I normally just make the edit and look at the page to ensure I got it right. I can correct it later. I don't use a preview that much as most of my edits are the way I want them to be the first time. Seems silly to preview the 9 out of 10 edits I get right when I can just repair the one out of 10 mistakes I make after I've made it. Thanks for the heads-up, though. --] (]) 14:32, 7 July 2009 (UTC) | |||
== E-mail == | |||
Nukes4Tots, I don't suppose you could send me an e-mail, there's something important that I'd like to talk with you about. It involves a number of other people too, and we'll be discussing something I think you'll be interested in.--] (]) 01:26, 11 July 2009 (UTC) | |||
== July 2009 == | |||
<div class="user-block"> ] {{#if:1 month|You have been ''']''' from editing for a period of '''1 month'''|You have been temporarily ''']''' from editing}} in accordance with ] for {{#if:repeated disruptive editing and uncivil edit summaries. This is most likely your last finite block; I suggest you either learn to conform to the collaborative, collegial nature of Misplaced Pages, or spend your time elsewhere|'''repeated disruptive editing and uncivil edit summaries. This is most likely your last finite block; I suggest you either learn to conform to the collaborative, collegial nature of Misplaced Pages, or spend your time elsewhere'''|repeated ]}}. Please stop. You are welcome to ] after the block expires. If you believe this block is unjustified you may ] by adding the text <!-- Copy the text as it appears on your page, not as it appears in this edit area. Do not include the "tlx" argument. -->{{tlx|unblock|Your reason here}} below. {{#if:true|] | ] 21:21, 14 July 2009 (UTC)}}</div><!-- Template:uw-block2 --> | |||
:Okay, where did this come from? I had a stalker leaving messages that I deleted without reading... as I told this person before I was not required to read his warnings. Anybody? Where was the due process? --] (]) 02:17, 15 July 2009 (UTC) | |||
::See ]. I suspect it was probably the personal attacks in the edit summaries, referring to another user's edits as vandalism when they weren't, and the shockingly racist edit summaries that cause Tan to block you. I'd advise you to stop attacking Theserialcomma; apparently multiple blocks for personal attacks haven't really driven home to you that they're not allowed--which is probably the other reason Tan blocked you for a month. → ] ]<small> 03:07, 15 July 2009 (UTC)</small> | |||
:::Well, I'd certainly like to see an example of a, "Shockingly Racist" anything I've done. Please enlighten me. Also, where did I attack Theserialcomma? Again, please elighten me again. The ANI looks like, "Oh, we know he's a racist, ban him!" But I'd really like that case spelled out for me. Kinda funny justifying a 1-month ban based on an edit comment of, "RVV" when I was reverting vandalism. Hard to call me a racist for me using the term, "El Bandito" when describing an unreferenced edit reversion adding Mexico to a list of users. Yeah, kinda hard. But, if there's more of a case to be made, I'd like to see it. I'd REALLY like to see it. --] (]) 03:11, 15 July 2009 (UTC) | |||
::::, , etc. Calling someone a 'bandito'--a Spanish term--for adding Mexico is the very definition of racist. But you know this of course. As well, as mentioned above, inaccurately referring to other users edits as vandalism, calling other users trolls and stalkers in your edit summaries, etc. Again, you know all this, so I'm not sure why you're pretending not to. | |||
::::Either way, you have three choices here: 1) come back in a month, don't modify your behaviour, receive an indef block and/or community ban when you act out again; 2) come back in a month, modify your behaviour, and don't get blocked; 3) leave Misplaced Pages. Obviously choice #2 is preferable, but they really are your only options at this point. → ] ]<small> 03:20, 15 July 2009 (UTC)</small> | |||
:::::Not pretending, it's honestly a different world that you live in where you can't say "Bandit" in Spanish or Tagalog and expect to be called a racist. What race am I? What behavior is it exactly that I'm in need of modifying? Is this for real? I am asking for a definition other than, "Because I think it's racist for a person to use the term "Filipino Bandit"". I don't really expect anything in return. I'm not pretending anything, I'm asking for a defense of whatever position it was that caused me to be banned. Is there some rule against this. You're being played and you don't know or care. I've been threatened DOZENS of times without any real substance behind the reasons I was banned, only editors who are against me. So, racist? That's quite the inflamatory charge and you'll have to back it up with more than, "Because I said so!" --] (]) 03:31, 15 July 2009 (UTC) | |||
::::::It's not because I said so, it's demonstrated in the diffs above. Generally speaking, you were using the language of a particular group in the course of making a pejorative comment. That is racism. In any case, that is not the only concern, obviously. You have a long history of personal attacks, and blocks have apparently not taught you to stop. Continually referring to another user as a troll or a stalker--immediately after coming off a block for personal attacks, yet!--is a problem, which I am guessing is the other reason that Tan blocked you, as I said above. Either would be sufficient on its own, particularly given that as I just said you literally ''just'' came off a block for personal attacks and then made more. I refer you again to the three choices you have, and I sincerely hope you pick the second one. → ] ]<small> 03:36, 15 July 2009 (UTC)</small> | |||
(unindent) I appreciate your use of big words here, but Pejorative? How was my comment pejorative? This 'long history of personal attacks' and 'ban for personal attacks' you point out are also in need of defense. This 'witch hunt' for anybody who is doing something that anybody eles can take the wrong way is laughable. How does one freely exchange ideas when one is so hog-tied by this false ettiquite that content is irrelevant. | |||
You're not in charge, here, so please stop patronizing me with your 'three choices'. Didn't read that. I want you to tell me what race I am? That'd be a nice trick. If I'm a racist, what race am I? Asked and unanswered so far and it's kind of a trick question, but please answer it. It goes to the hart of why I was banned. --] (]) 13:24, 15 July 2009 (UTC) | |||
::I don't give two figs what 'race' you are. And again: you're focusing on that as though that were the only reason you're blocked, and ignoring things like calling other users trolls and stalkers. Also, the three choices is an observation on how these things go. The choice is entirely yours: modify your behaviour and be allowed to continue editing, don't and don't. The long history of personal attacks is there for anyone to see, so I have no idea why you're pretending it's not. Well actually I know ''exactly'' why you are pretending, and I am disinclined to indulge you any further. I had initially posted here assuming good faith that your question was sincere. → ] ]<small> 16:46, 15 July 2009 (UTC)</small> | |||
:You weren't blocked for being racist; I have no opinion on that matter. You were blocked for the reasons in the above template. And your attitude here certainly shows that the block was justified. Any further incivility will result in an indefinite block. ] | ] 13:26, 15 July 2009 (UTC) | |||
::Okay, so you blocked me for personally attacking somebody... where? If I report him for stalking and harassing (which I can't now because I've been banned) then does that mean it's no longer a personal attack? Seems like a catch 22 since I've been banned for making an accusation to ANI because the editor in quesiton was quicker on the draw? What if I'd accused him of, um, let's say ANYTHING else on my talk page, that'd be considered a personal attack? I don't understand the duality of this. I was being harassed for an edit comment of "RVV" on vandalism that I was reverting. Harassed? Yes, that's what it was. I have told this particular editor before that I would not read comments that he posted on my page and they would be reverted. The editor in question had NO iron in the fire other than a vendetta he has against me for his losing several arguments about editing the ] article. Calling him out on that is a personal attack? This ban is bogus. I've been banned for making an accusation, so why isn't the other editor banned for making the report? These are good faith questions. Points of order, if you will. These are not 'bad faith' as is being assumed by one responder here. I have no other venue to voice my side of the story... please indulge me. How is making an accusation in an edit comment on my own page... one that I've made dozens of times before... now a personal attack worthy of a one month ban? This is rediculous. --] (]) 18:44, 17 July 2009 (UTC) | |||
:::Nukes, the other editor IS currently blocked for baiting you/making the report and has been cautioned to stay away from you in the future. See ]. My opinion would be that if you show a willingness to restrain from further comments towards other editors and admit that you are not completely without some fault, this would show that you are proactively working to improve things. If that is the case and you endorse that point of view, then I would recommend reducing the block time.<br>] (]) 19:56, 17 July 2009 (UTC) | |||
::::That's new to me... because I have no interest in stalking the other editor. Funny, my moves are watched closely by the other editor but I take no interest WHATSOEVER in what he does. I don't edit the same articles, watch his talk page, or do anything of the sort... yet he does the same to me and baits me. All I can be accused of is taking the bait. It's odd that I get banned for a month for making an edit comment of, "destalkerizing" and yet he makes this edit, which in no uncertain terms calls me a racist and he gets his ban reduced from one month to 5 days? The "history" spoken of is a history mostly of him baiting me and me taking the bait. If this is justice, I need to reevaluate whether Misplaced Pages is worth the efforts I put into it. If you're asking me to restrain from comments against other editors, sure, I not only admit I've made a few comments that have been taken the wrong way but I agree that these comments are unwelcome and I will not make them anymore... with a caveat. I do not agree that the current ban is in any way, shape, or form justified. I do not feel that the "racism" claim is justified and it WAS mentioned and highlighted on the ANI complaint so I reject that it did not play a part in my 1 month block. Finally, I do not believe that my accusation of harrassment, trolling, and stalker-like activity by the other editor was a personal attack. If I get unbanned or my ban reduced, it will not be because I've agreed to the baseless reason I was banned this time. --] (]) 21:35, 17 July 2009 (UTC) | |||
:::::If you want to think that racism somehow played a part in your block, doesn't bother me. It didn't, but it hardly matters, as it's pretty clear you're not going to decide to join the ranks of collaborative editing. I'm certainly not going to unblock you, and am pretty close to extending your block to indefinite, as stated in both the block template and my secondary warning below that. ] | ] 21:47, 17 July 2009 (UTC) | |||
:::::Fwiw, I do not perceive any racism and personally don't believe that comes into play either way... | |||
:::::I'm speaking in generalities regarding how you & ''any editors'' get along and not specifically TSC. In a nutshell, what I believe is required is simply a tempering of language and a more ] approach to editing. When you think that someone might be messing with you, remember to remain ], refrain from ] and ]. Really good advice can be found on ]. | |||
:::::Admins look for repentance and your promise to improve. Your protests would water down and dilute the sincerity..so I wouldn't suggest that you make them. I believe that you DO have a lot to offer to Misplaced Pages and I would like to see you mitigate the circumstances towards improvement. Try to remember that honey catches more flies than vinegar and you will go far with that.<br>] (]) 22:14, 17 July 2009 (UTC) | |||
Greetings, Nukes4Tots. Thanks for changing the section heading on the project discussion page to ]. That's not only more civil that than the previous title, it's also more descriptive. I noticed that you also changed the original poster's comments, to be less impolite. While I'm a strong advocate of civility and politeness on Misplaced Pages, it is against guidelines to change another editor's comments, except in a few special cases. Your intention was good, but the guideline is there to preserve the integrity of talk page discussions. So, I think it would be appropriate to undo those changes, while leaving the new section header the way it is now. For more information, see ]. (If you reply here, I will see what you say.) <font face="cursive">— ]<small><sup> (])</sup></small></font> 20:04, 14 June 2009 (UTC) | |||
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:"P.S." See also: ], where it says, "It is not normally appropriate to edit or remove another editor's comment. Exceptions include to remove obvious trolling or vandalism, or if the comment is on your own user talk page." <font face="cursive">— ]<small><sup> (])</sup></small></font> 21:49, 14 June 2009 (UTC) | |||
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::Mudwater, while I didn't read the policy, I do believe it was obvious trolling and therefore I believe I was justified (if after the fact) in doing so. Just got under my skin seeing hatred pop up on my watchlist every time somebody responded. --] (]) 22:54, 14 June 2009 (UTC) | |||
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Yo Nukes whats up?Don't worry about me I haven't done nothing wrong now. Hey I found something about you in Wikiquette: http://en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia:Wikiquette_alerts/archive62#User:Nukes4Tots about you scaring away new editors and insulting them like you tried to do with me when I edited the M3 submachine gun which before I edited it said it was used in Iraq. So whats that about? And why are you trying to be the "i know everything and what other people say its wrong" type? What you never vandalized Misplaced Pages once?--] (]) 22:42, 23 June 2009 (UTC) | |||
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:Nope. Never vandalized Misplaced Pages, even once. Why? I'm an adult. I don't know everything, but what I know, I stand by. If you dig around in my history, you'll find several other times when I didn't back down. If you act like a kid, I'll treat you like a kid. I expect mature actions here that generally follow the rules. You're obviously miffed about something I said or some way I acted and I don't apologize. I'm sure if I dug into your life a bit I'd find something negative. Go ahead and dig in my edit history, my reports. Read all about my stalkers... people who could not let it go or back down when I called them on something they did wrong. Feel free. It's all out there. Read each and every one of my 4,000+ edits. As an adult, referring to in the informal manner in which you started your post is not considered acceptable. --] (]) 23:21, 23 June 2009 (UTC) | |||
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::Even if Nukes had a vandal past, it would have nothing to do with his wholly appropriate use of standard warning messages in the case of your earlier edits. What business is it of yours, Coffeekid, to go around dredging up some past matter just to slap an established user around with it? We all have had our disputes, and as a matter of definition (in my view) those disputes involved both sides making mistakes. | |||
::Sorry for butting in here, Nukes- just pisses me off. I happened to have your talk page watchlisted from some time ago and was skimming through. —/]/<sup><small>]</small></sup>/<sub><small>]</small></sub>/ 01:47, 24 June 2009 (UTC) |
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Hi, I uploaded the image of Sgt. Strank of Flags of our Fathers, is there anyway it can stay on the site without being considered "stolen"? I apoligize, I didn't mean to steal it (I simpley screencapped it from my DVD, since I'm uploading screencaps for www.imfdb.org now), but I have no idea how to fill out the copyright information. - Gunmaster45 (talk)
- Well, the copyright holder has to give permission for the use of the photo on Misplaced Pages. There are tutorials on Misplaced Pages that explain how to do it. It's not too difficult, but I'm not going to take the time to explain it. --Nukes4Tots (talk) 19:27, 26 April 2009 (UTC)
Thank you
I've reviewed the edits and believe I found what you might not have but what about the edit on Stoner 63..legit or no?
⋙–Berean–Hunter—► ((⊕)) 20:18, 6 May 2009 (UTC)
Sorry
Sorry for the M3 submachine gun thing. It wasn't my intention to change so dramatically. I just wanted to express my opinion since I once saw on the article that the M3 submachine gun was still used and it was used on Iraq. I am recent to Misplaced Pages and I'm still learning how to edit documents. Please don't ban me from editing articles. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Coffeekid (talk • contribs) 22:24, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
- Misplaced Pages is not for expressing your opinion. The M3 was NOT in service with the United States for the Iraq war. Unless you bring references that say otherwise, I will continue to work to exclude your "opinion" as original research. --Nukes4Tots (talk) 05:26, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
Found this. According to this page in WIKIPEDIA it said that the M3 subamachine gun was used until the mid-1990's by tank crews. Here's the link: http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?t=142914.Also found this http://www.nationmaster.com/encyclopedia/M3-submachine-gun saying that in WIKIPEDIA before it said before that the M3 was used until the mid 1990's which proves the the military photos link.--Coffeekid (talk) 23:45, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
- Yeah, I was there, I know. We're not talking about the first Gulf war, we're talking about the invasion of Iraq in 2003. All the Grease Guns were in long-term storage by then. That's what the M4 is for now. --Nukes4Tots (talk) 00:24, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
Yeah I figured it out that when Iraq started the M3 where replaced with the M4. If you want you can add those links to the M3 article or I could add them. --Coffeekid (talk) 02:29, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
Calibre/Caliber
In reference to the C96 article, it's not me changing the spelling to a "non-standard" version, it's me, as the person who wrote most of the article, reverting an un-necessary change to an American spelling. Also, the C96 is an Imperial topic; Churchill carried one and they were used by British officers during the Boer War, World War I, and various "Little Wars" fought around that time. Commander Zulu (talk) 05:48, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
- Churchill carried a Tommy Gun too, that doesn't mean it's any more imperial than the next one. --Nukes4Tots (talk) 05:55, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
- He posed for a photograph with one. He didn't actually carry one into combat the way he (and T.E. Lawrence) carried C96s. At any rate, the point is that the article was already using the British spelling and there's no reason to arbitrarily change it to the US one. Commander Zulu (talk) 06:06, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
- I agree, I didn't know it was already limey-spelled. Funny how the Americans speak better English than the English. Spell better too. ;-) --Nukes4Tots (talk) 06:40, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
- Well, leaving out the letter "U" from certain words does make it a little easier for you. ;) Commander Zulu (talk) 07:22, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
- I agree, I didn't know it was already limey-spelled. Funny how the Americans speak better English than the English. Spell better too. ;-) --Nukes4Tots (talk) 06:40, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
Evidence for CopyVio - File:USAssaultRifleWP.jpg
Here is some more ammo for your side. Note that three of the loads in question (M995, Mk 262, and 6.8mm SPC) did not exist at the time cited for the drawing (1990). This looks more like the work of Dr. Gary K. Roberts. It is hard to say whether this was the product of his work with the US military, a civilian agency, or both. If you'd like, I'll contact Dr. Roberts for confirmation. --D.E. Watters (talk) 20:54, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
- Thanks. The other photo with "Direct Impingement" was from an Army Times article... that was easy to find as I remember exactly where I had seen it before. I don't know how long this editor will last. It seems he's got some axe to grind but if he'd just play by the rules, cooler-headed editors and the facts will eventually prevail. Heck, we might even agree with his points. We'll see. --Nukes4Tots (talk) 21:02, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
- File:RussianWP.jpg also looks like something Dr. Roberts put together, although it may contain material from Dr. Fackler. I'm pretty certain that Dr. Roberts used both pictures in his 2008 NDIA Small Arms briefing, and has posted them on several firearms forums. As for the Army Times picture, most folks don't realize that the publication is a civilian operation. It is owned by Gannett, the same folks who put out USA Today. --D.E. Watters (talk) 21:15, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
Great Userpage
For creating a userpage that made me smile I'd like to present you with a Userpage Barnstar. Peace the old fashioned way --Ndunruh (talk) 02:47, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
10mm Auto
This isn't a warning or anything like that. When you edited the image link in the 10mm Auto article to File:DCB Shooting Bren Ten & SW 610.jpg you changed spelling and added brackets in the filename, not the caption. The result was a broken image link. Using the preview button will help you avoid that sort of thing. Hellbus (talk) 08:51, 5 July 2009 (UTC)
- Yep. I normally just make the edit and look at the page to ensure I got it right. I can correct it later. I don't use a preview that much as most of my edits are the way I want them to be the first time. Seems silly to preview the 9 out of 10 edits I get right when I can just repair the one out of 10 mistakes I make after I've made it. Thanks for the heads-up, though. --Nukes4Tots (talk) 14:32, 7 July 2009 (UTC)
Nukes4Tots, I don't suppose you could send me an e-mail, there's something important that I'd like to talk with you about. It involves a number of other people too, and we'll be discussing something I think you'll be interested in.--LWF (talk) 01:26, 11 July 2009 (UTC)
July 2009
You have been blocked from editing for a period of 1 month in accordance with Misplaced Pages's blocking policy for repeated disruptive editing and uncivil edit summaries. This is most likely your last finite block; I suggest you either learn to conform to the collaborative, collegial nature of Misplaced Pages, or spend your time elsewhere. Please stop. You are welcome to make useful contributions after the block expires. If you believe this block is unjustified you may contest this block by adding the text{{unblock|Your reason here}}
below. Tan | 39 21:21, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
- Okay, where did this come from? I had a stalker leaving messages that I deleted without reading... as I told this person before I was not required to read his warnings. Anybody? Where was the due process? --Nukes4Tots (talk) 02:17, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
- See here. I suspect it was probably the personal attacks in the edit summaries, referring to another user's edits as vandalism when they weren't, and the shockingly racist edit summaries that cause Tan to block you. I'd advise you to stop attacking Theserialcomma; apparently multiple blocks for personal attacks haven't really driven home to you that they're not allowed--which is probably the other reason Tan blocked you for a month. → ROUX ₪ 03:07, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
- Well, I'd certainly like to see an example of a, "Shockingly Racist" anything I've done. Please enlighten me. Also, where did I attack Theserialcomma? Again, please elighten me again. The ANI looks like, "Oh, we know he's a racist, ban him!" But I'd really like that case spelled out for me. Kinda funny justifying a 1-month ban based on an edit comment of, "RVV" when I was reverting vandalism. Hard to call me a racist for me using the term, "El Bandito" when describing an unreferenced edit reversion adding Mexico to a list of users. Yeah, kinda hard. But, if there's more of a case to be made, I'd like to see it. I'd REALLY like to see it. --Nukes4Tots (talk) 03:11, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
- "rv: El Bandito", "filipino bandido", etc. Calling someone a 'bandito'--a Spanish term--for adding Mexico is the very definition of racist. But you know this of course. As well, as mentioned above, inaccurately referring to other users edits as vandalism, calling other users trolls and stalkers in your edit summaries, etc. Again, you know all this, so I'm not sure why you're pretending not to.
- Either way, you have three choices here: 1) come back in a month, don't modify your behaviour, receive an indef block and/or community ban when you act out again; 2) come back in a month, modify your behaviour, and don't get blocked; 3) leave Misplaced Pages. Obviously choice #2 is preferable, but they really are your only options at this point. → ROUX ₪ 03:20, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
- Not pretending, it's honestly a different world that you live in where you can't say "Bandit" in Spanish or Tagalog and expect to be called a racist. What race am I? What behavior is it exactly that I'm in need of modifying? Is this for real? I am asking for a definition other than, "Because I think it's racist for a person to use the term "Filipino Bandit"". I don't really expect anything in return. I'm not pretending anything, I'm asking for a defense of whatever position it was that caused me to be banned. Is there some rule against this. You're being played and you don't know or care. I've been threatened DOZENS of times without any real substance behind the reasons I was banned, only editors who are against me. So, racist? That's quite the inflamatory charge and you'll have to back it up with more than, "Because I said so!" --Nukes4Tots (talk) 03:31, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
- It's not because I said so, it's demonstrated in the diffs above. Generally speaking, you were using the language of a particular group in the course of making a pejorative comment. That is racism. In any case, that is not the only concern, obviously. You have a long history of personal attacks, and blocks have apparently not taught you to stop. Continually referring to another user as a troll or a stalker--immediately after coming off a block for personal attacks, yet!--is a problem, which I am guessing is the other reason that Tan blocked you, as I said above. Either would be sufficient on its own, particularly given that as I just said you literally just came off a block for personal attacks and then made more. I refer you again to the three choices you have, and I sincerely hope you pick the second one. → ROUX ₪ 03:36, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
(unindent) I appreciate your use of big words here, but Pejorative? How was my comment pejorative? This 'long history of personal attacks' and 'ban for personal attacks' you point out are also in need of defense. This 'witch hunt' for anybody who is doing something that anybody eles can take the wrong way is laughable. How does one freely exchange ideas when one is so hog-tied by this false ettiquite that content is irrelevant.
You're not in charge, here, so please stop patronizing me with your 'three choices'. Didn't read that. I want you to tell me what race I am? That'd be a nice trick. If I'm a racist, what race am I? Asked and unanswered so far and it's kind of a trick question, but please answer it. It goes to the hart of why I was banned. --Nukes4Tots (talk) 13:24, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
- I don't give two figs what 'race' you are. And again: you're focusing on that as though that were the only reason you're blocked, and ignoring things like calling other users trolls and stalkers. Also, the three choices is an observation on how these things go. The choice is entirely yours: modify your behaviour and be allowed to continue editing, don't and don't. The long history of personal attacks is there for anyone to see, so I have no idea why you're pretending it's not. Well actually I know exactly why you are pretending, and I am disinclined to indulge you any further. I had initially posted here assuming good faith that your question was sincere. → ROUX ₪ 16:46, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
- You weren't blocked for being racist; I have no opinion on that matter. You were blocked for the reasons in the above template. And your attitude here certainly shows that the block was justified. Any further incivility will result in an indefinite block. Tan | 39 13:26, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
- Okay, so you blocked me for personally attacking somebody... where? If I report him for stalking and harassing (which I can't now because I've been banned) then does that mean it's no longer a personal attack? Seems like a catch 22 since I've been banned for making an accusation to ANI because the editor in quesiton was quicker on the draw? What if I'd accused him of, um, let's say ANYTHING else on my talk page, that'd be considered a personal attack? I don't understand the duality of this. I was being harassed for an edit comment of "RVV" on vandalism that I was reverting. Harassed? Yes, that's what it was. I have told this particular editor before that I would not read comments that he posted on my page and they would be reverted. The editor in question had NO iron in the fire other than a vendetta he has against me for his losing several arguments about editing the Glock pistol article. Calling him out on that is a personal attack? This ban is bogus. I've been banned for making an accusation, so why isn't the other editor banned for making the report? These are good faith questions. Points of order, if you will. These are not 'bad faith' as is being assumed by one responder here. I have no other venue to voice my side of the story... please indulge me. How is making an accusation in an edit comment on my own page... one that I've made dozens of times before... now a personal attack worthy of a one month ban? This is rediculous. --Nukes4Tots (talk) 18:44, 17 July 2009 (UTC)
- Nukes, the other editor IS currently blocked for baiting you/making the report and has been cautioned to stay away from you in the future. See WP:ANI#Theserialcomma baiting block review. My opinion would be that if you show a willingness to restrain from further comments towards other editors and admit that you are not completely without some fault, this would show that you are proactively working to improve things. If that is the case and you endorse that point of view, then I would recommend reducing the block time.
⋙–Berean–Hunter—► ((⊕)) 19:56, 17 July 2009 (UTC)
- Nukes, the other editor IS currently blocked for baiting you/making the report and has been cautioned to stay away from you in the future. See WP:ANI#Theserialcomma baiting block review. My opinion would be that if you show a willingness to restrain from further comments towards other editors and admit that you are not completely without some fault, this would show that you are proactively working to improve things. If that is the case and you endorse that point of view, then I would recommend reducing the block time.
- That's new to me... because I have no interest in stalking the other editor. Funny, my moves are watched closely by the other editor but I take no interest WHATSOEVER in what he does. I don't edit the same articles, watch his talk page, or do anything of the sort... yet he does the same to me and baits me. All I can be accused of is taking the bait. It's odd that I get banned for a month for making an edit comment of, "destalkerizing" and yet he makes this edit, which in no uncertain terms calls me a racist and he gets his ban reduced from one month to 5 days? The "history" spoken of is a history mostly of him baiting me and me taking the bait. If this is justice, I need to reevaluate whether Misplaced Pages is worth the efforts I put into it. If you're asking me to restrain from comments against other editors, sure, I not only admit I've made a few comments that have been taken the wrong way but I agree that these comments are unwelcome and I will not make them anymore... with a caveat. I do not agree that the current ban is in any way, shape, or form justified. I do not feel that the "racism" claim is justified and it WAS mentioned and highlighted on the ANI complaint so I reject that it did not play a part in my 1 month block. Finally, I do not believe that my accusation of harrassment, trolling, and stalker-like activity by the other editor was a personal attack. If I get unbanned or my ban reduced, it will not be because I've agreed to the baseless reason I was banned this time. --Nukes4Tots (talk) 21:35, 17 July 2009 (UTC)
- If you want to think that racism somehow played a part in your block, doesn't bother me. It didn't, but it hardly matters, as it's pretty clear you're not going to decide to join the ranks of collaborative editing. I'm certainly not going to unblock you, and am pretty close to extending your block to indefinite, as stated in both the block template and my secondary warning below that. Tan | 39 21:47, 17 July 2009 (UTC)
- That's new to me... because I have no interest in stalking the other editor. Funny, my moves are watched closely by the other editor but I take no interest WHATSOEVER in what he does. I don't edit the same articles, watch his talk page, or do anything of the sort... yet he does the same to me and baits me. All I can be accused of is taking the bait. It's odd that I get banned for a month for making an edit comment of, "destalkerizing" and yet he makes this edit, which in no uncertain terms calls me a racist and he gets his ban reduced from one month to 5 days? The "history" spoken of is a history mostly of him baiting me and me taking the bait. If this is justice, I need to reevaluate whether Misplaced Pages is worth the efforts I put into it. If you're asking me to restrain from comments against other editors, sure, I not only admit I've made a few comments that have been taken the wrong way but I agree that these comments are unwelcome and I will not make them anymore... with a caveat. I do not agree that the current ban is in any way, shape, or form justified. I do not feel that the "racism" claim is justified and it WAS mentioned and highlighted on the ANI complaint so I reject that it did not play a part in my 1 month block. Finally, I do not believe that my accusation of harrassment, trolling, and stalker-like activity by the other editor was a personal attack. If I get unbanned or my ban reduced, it will not be because I've agreed to the baseless reason I was banned this time. --Nukes4Tots (talk) 21:35, 17 July 2009 (UTC)
- Fwiw, I do not perceive any racism and personally don't believe that comes into play either way...
- I'm speaking in generalities regarding how you & any editors get along and not specifically TSC. In a nutshell, what I believe is required is simply a tempering of language and a more stoical approach to editing. When you think that someone might be messing with you, remember to remain civil, refrain from any forms of attack and don't feed the trolls. Really good advice can be found on Template:Civility.
- Admins look for repentance and your promise to improve. Your protests would water down and dilute the sincerity..so I wouldn't suggest that you make them. I believe that you DO have a lot to offer to Misplaced Pages and I would like to see you mitigate the circumstances towards improvement. Try to remember that honey catches more flies than vinegar and you will go far with that.
⋙–Berean–Hunter—► ((⊕)) 22:14, 17 July 2009 (UTC)
- Admins look for repentance and your promise to improve. Your protests would water down and dilute the sincerity..so I wouldn't suggest that you make them. I believe that you DO have a lot to offer to Misplaced Pages and I would like to see you mitigate the circumstances towards improvement. Try to remember that honey catches more flies than vinegar and you will go far with that.
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