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== seeders ==

Looks to me like the reform page may get enough folks by to work -- I added some seeder-type comments (the system is to always ask a question in order to get more comments). I think we likely should delete sections which get no activity in the next week and see if we can add some more which will get attention (this is one thing my old occupation required, to be sure). I would avoid having any Jimbo section, really. Perhaps the issue of whether articles on similar topics should conform to similar layouts? Also COI is definitely an area where no one seems happy with how it works AFAICT (with editors seeking info in order to remove other editors from an article on the basis of real or imagined COI). ] (]) 00:50, 26 July 2009 (UTC)


Added major change for ArbCom -- hope we get response to it. ] (]) 15:35, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

== Deletion of User:Cnilep/Culture draft ==

Since the section on language and culture has moved to ], I am going to request that the page we had been using for revisions, ], be deleted. If you would like to keep the page, or to move any content there to your own user space, please let me know. If you have no objection to deleting the page, I will request speedy deletion. ] (]) 16:22, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

== Creationism ==

I'm surprised at the tone of the reaction to my post on the article ]. While what I wrote was perhaps colloquial, it wasn't personal - yet I get the feeling that responses are attacking me personally. I'm frankly astonished to find this coming from you, an editor I've always respected, and I hope I've misjudged the situation. ] (]) 06:51, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

== State ==

I'm sorry I disappeared a couple of weeks ago ... I was falling behind my work in the real world. I look forward to working on your suggestions in the coming weeks. ] | ] 23:56, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

== Rollback ==

This is just a friendly reminder that rollback use is only for vandalism. I am sending this in regards to . Thank you. --] (]) 18:26, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

Again, rollback is to be used only for vandalism reverts. Please do not continue to use your rollback tool on good-faith edits. --] (]) 22:31, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

== Ombudsman ==

Please see ].
The discussions at WP:Civility/Poll and WP:Areas of Reform are proceeding. Lets see where they lead.--] (]) 21:00, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

== Judaism ==

Please see ]. I'd say ''you'' were rushing a little, making me look like an newbie Misplaced Pages editor. ] (]) 20:11, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

I saw your reply there. I am glad we understand each other now. ] (]) 20:51, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

== Friendly notice ==

Hi SL. In the light of the recent discussions about civility and how not to drive new editors away I found this to be below your usually high standard, as it seems to imply that new comers have no business meddling in policy and that their arguments weigh less than those of more experienced editors. ] 18:50, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

== Admin assistance ==

I closed this AfD as delete: ] could you delete it and it's talk page for me please?] 18:45, 7 August 2009 (UTC)
:Could you also delete ] please? ] 21:20, 7 August 2009 (UTC)

== Ashkenazi intelligence ==

We need to do something about this article it screams to the high heavens for being conformed to NPOV, FRINGE and UNDUE. more than five different editors have expressed this concern but have been fended off with non-arguments by a single article owner. Lets do somethign about it - for example starting by moving it to ] or ] and balancing the articles points by moving the criticisms into the main text and presenting the mainstream viewpoint in the lead.] 15:07, 8 August 2009 (UTC)

:I think Maunus' suggestion that the word ''theory'' be added to the article title is a great one. This would make it clear that the article isn't actually about the intelligence of Ashkenazim but about the ''theory''. There indeed needs to be more references to specific criticism of the theory itself without turning the article into a debate about race & intelligence, but this is more down to a lack of edits than to POV. Thoughts? Best, ] (]) 18:22, 8 August 2009 (UTC)
::I want to clarify that when I tag the article as POV it does not mean that I think the writer of the article necessarily has this POV - in only means that the article comes off biased towards this POV for lacking the opposing viewpoint. ] 18:31, 8 August 2009 (UTC)

It is not a theory, and does not corrspond to the scientific sense of "theory," so, no. ] | ] 19:16, 8 August 2009 (UTC)
::How so? It is of course not falsifiable, but it is a theory linking observed facts (whether we agree that they are observed interpreted correctly) to a causal framework intended to explain them (natural selection) (whether or not we agree that they explain the facts) - if theory is not the right term then what is? (certainly not hypothesis as it would have to be testable). I mean conspiracy theories are not testable, verifiable or falsifiable but they are theories nonetheless. ] 19:20, 8 August 2009 (UTC)

== Deletion of ] ==

I saw that you ] supposedly as per the AfD; I don't think 3 deletes (including the nominator) versus 2 opposed (including myself, I'll grant) makes for consensus to delete. I'd like to merge the article into another larger article as per the discussion, but deleting the current text (and all history) outright makes that more difficult now. - ] (]) 17:16, 8 August 2009 (UTC)
:I originally closed the AfD (I was not entitled to as I am not an admin - but I had misunderstood the policy on non-admin-closures). The article was relisted and Slrubenstein closed it as delete - presumably with the same rationale. I closed it as delete because an AfD is not a vote but instead weighs the arguments against eachother. In this case I judged that there was not enough usage documented in reliable sources to sustain stand alone article. I did not exlcude the possibility of merging content into a main article such as Electronic Body Music or Electronic Music. and I added that If anyoned wished to perform the merger after the article having been deleted ask an admin to restore the article to your userspace. Sorry for the confusion.] 17:23, 8 August 2009 (UTC)

== Futurepop ==

Howdy, I'm wondering about your decision to delete ]. There were two deletes, one merge and one keep on the ]. a) I feel that the points I raised were at least to a certain extent valid and meriting discussion before any final action was taken. Can I ask why you don't agree and didn't express your thoughts on why in the discussion? b) Even if you disagree, with there being thoughts of a merge in the discussion, would it not have been more appropriate to stay any deletion so content could be moved and backed up by the sources I referenced? Thanks for your time. --] (]) 18:16, 8 August 2009 (UTC)
:Please see my explanation above. It all boils down to my misunderstanding of when non-admins are allowed to close.] 18:32, 8 August 2009 (UTC)
::Fair enough. Slrubenstein - can you please undelete the article and reopen the AfD or start it afresh? Thanks --] (]) 19:00, 8 August 2009 (UTC)
Thanks very much for the reply :) --] (]) 20:37, 8 August 2009 (UTC)

== If you want me to continue editing at ]... ==

... please comment at ]. Thank you. ] (]) 23:49, 8 August 2009 (UTC)


A credible report was posted on Facebook today, from one of Steve Rubenstein's close friends, that Steve has died in Liverpool, where he was a Reader in Anthropology at the University of Liverpool. His friend has left contact details on Steve's Facebook page, in case anyone wants to get in touch. I've been in touch with him, and there is currently no firm information about what happened.


Anyone who came into contact with Steve will know what a wonderful human being he was. He was with Misplaced Pages from almost the beginning – his first edit was on 12 December 2001, registered with the User ID 98. He was active over the years on several sourcing policies; and on articles about race, anthropology, evolution, gender, feminism, Judaism, and Christianity. He was one of those editors who really understood Misplaced Pages, who really got it. He had the concept of a living encyclopaedia that anyone could edit in his bones, and was fierce in his defence of that idea whenever he saw it threatened.
:::Please note, Slrubenstein, that I did not label Zara as "topic-ban Zara". I was suggesting to ROUX that actually topic-banning Zara is a possible solution to her threat to start an edit war, in response to ROUX's suggestion to topic-ban me instead. I’m sure that when you read that entry carefully you will see this, and will appreciate that there is a world of difference between my sentence and your assumption. I appreciate your efforts to help the article, and I generally agree with your various suggestions, but please don't jump to conclusions about my maturity or my motives - this causes unjust reputational damage. ] (]) 01:43, 9 August 2009 (UTC)


That he has the novice editor's badge on his talk page says a lot about his attitude to Misplaced Pages. He never wanted to talk about who he was, and what he had done – not because it was a secret, but because he wanted to be judged by his edits alone.
Apology accepted - thanks for that. My frustration is actually more with admins who thunder in with bans and blocks, shouting "troll" and "POV-pusher", without making any effort to actually understand the issues at heart. Thanks for taking the time - see you on the talk page. ] (]) 18:18, 9 August 2009 (UTC)


He was one of the most erudite people I've ever encountered, and one of the most intellectually welcoming and generous. There wasn't anything that Steve didn't have an interesting perspective on, and he was happy to explain his views to anyone, if he felt he or they, or anyone else reading it, might benefit from the exchange. He was also one of the nicest people I knew. He was big-hearted, and he was brave, and he had humility. My heart goes out to his family and close friends. The world has lost someone very special. ] <small><sup>]]</sup></small> 03:34, 10 March 2012 (UTC)
== Charlemagne ==
:I find myself in full agreement with SlimVirgin. This is quite a loss to the encyclopedia, and to the free culture movement. Rest in peace. ] (]) 09:00, 10 March 2012 (UTC)


*This is such a loss, not just to our wikipedia community but also, to the wider intellectual community. Steve was a great asset to this project and a fantastic colleague here. As SV said, he was one of the most generous people (of his time, his thoughts and his energies) that I've had the pleasure of encountering. My condolences to all who knew him - he will be sorely missed. Rest in peace Steve---] <sup>]</sup> 01:08, 11 March 2012 (UTC)
I think there's definitely a reasonable point to be made here, that the beginnings of the HRE are quite confused. Obviously JHK has way more knowledge and experience with these issues than I do, so I want to be cautious about this, but I do think that people whose specialties are too close to a subject sometimes can have problems with perspective, and I think this issue is a case where JHK had that. Obviously, there's tons of reasons to view Charlemagne's kingdom as different from that of his successors. Certainly Berengar I and Otto I did not rule the same state in any reasonable way. As such, I think it's very valid to say the Holy Roman Empire, as a kind of permanent union of the Frankish successor states of Germany and Italy, or, later, as an alternative term for Germany alone, did not come into existence until 962.


*A great loss to all of us. Thoughts and prayers to his family and those close to him.] (]) 02:05, 11 March 2012 (UTC)
That being said, the earlier line of western emperors from Charlemagne to Berengar I presents a problem. There is no common term in use for them. In lists in general reference sources and the like, they are normally referred to as Holy Roman Emperors. I think the article ] does a reasonably good job with this issue, in terms of listing them (because, where else are you going to list them?), but also noting why their inclusion is problematic. I think that the idea of the Holy Roman Empire as beginning with Charlemagne is fairly widely held, even if wrong, and that, moreover, the idea that Charlemagne was the first ''Holy Roman Emperor'' is much harder to dispel - certainly the title he used was the same as the title used by Charles V seven centuries later, neither of them calling themselves "Holy Roman Emperor." In terms of this article, I think a statement should be made in the introduction along the lines of:
*What a great loss. I always admired his work. My thoughts are with his family --] &#124; ] 02:20, 11 March 2012 (UTC)
*My thoughts and prayers are with him and his family. ] (]) 02:50, 11 March 2012 (UTC)
*I can't remember if we ever directly interacted, but I do remember watching your work from afar and being absolutely amazed. Thanks ''so'' much for all the time you donated to Misplaced Pages and maintaining a bit of sanity here. ] (]) 03:12, 11 March 2012 (UTC)
*This is very sad. Steve was a wonderful man, kind-hearted, helpful, thoughtful, giving. He was also a great wikipedian. A terrible loss; I'm just one of many who will miss him. ]<sup>]</sup> 04:11, 11 March 2012 (UTC)
*This is shocking. And tragic. Steve was one of the few people who made that transition from "person I knew in Misplaced Pages" to friend. I learned a lot about being a Wikipedian from him. And I think I learned some important things about being an academic. And a person. You will be sorely, sorely missed. We are better for having known you, and diminished for no longer having your light in our lives. ] (]) 05:56, 11 March 2012 (UTC)
*The encyclopedia has lost a dedicated and reliable wikipedian. ] (]) 06:00, 11 March 2012 (UTC)
*What a great guy. I will miss him. A pity I never had a chance to meet him in person. My thoughts go out to his family. -- ] (]) 11:05, 11 March 2012 (UTC)
*I heard through the grapevine you are gone :'( Goodbye old friend xxoo --] 12:05, 11 March 2012 (UTC)
* This is very sad. My warmest sympathies go to any family he had, and all his friends. ] ]] 13:47, 11 March 2012 (UTC)
* I'm saddened by this. ] (]) 14:11, 11 March 2012 (UTC)
* Some of my earliest interactions on Misplaced Pages were with Slrubenstein and he helped forge in me an appreciation for considerate, thoughtful dialogue even concerning charged issues. We had many cordial disagreements but his manner of explaining his views and his evident concern for doing the right thing always increased my respect for him. I will miss him. ] 14:46, 11 March 2012 (UTC)
*My thoughts and payers go out to Steve's family and friends. He will be missed. ] (]) 15:06, 11 March 2012 (UTC)
*This is very sad and much too soon. Best wishes to his family, friends and colleagues. ] (]) 15:46, 11 March 2012 (UTC)
*I'd never interacted with SIr personally but have watched his interactions and so learned much from him over the years. I wish him, the peace beyond understanding, and send condolences to his friends and family.(] (]) 15:57, 11 March 2012 (UTC))
*So sorry to hear this. I admired his work and his thoughtful comments in discussions. He will be missed. ] <sup>]</sup> 16:59, 11 March 2012 (UTC)
*I knew him only as an exemplary WP editor: knowledgeable, helpful, humble. RIP. ] (]) 17:01, 11 March 2012 (UTC)
*Through personal correspondence, Steve and I found out that we had been at the same university in England during different periods. Although Steve was younger than me (not so much), I valued his comments more than almost any other contributor to wikipedia, even if sometimes we disagreed forcefully in private. His parting leaves me desolate. ] (]) 18:07, 11 March 2012 (UTC)
*Devastatingly bad news. Steve was one of the longest serving editors on this project and was willing to tackle some difficult articles...he always did so with wisdom and humility. Essentially one of the founders of this website, we owe so much to him for all he did. Steve will be sorely missed...all condolences to his family and friends.--] 20:09, 11 March 2012 (UTC)
*I too am terribly saddened by this news. My condolences to Steven, to his friends on and off this project, and to his family. ] (]) 21:13, 11 March 2012 (UTC)
*SLR will be missed dearly. I have nothing but fond memories and great respect from my on-wiki interactions with him. He truly had a significant positive impact on many individual editors (which can be clearly seen by many of the above comments), and Misplaced Pages as a whole is better off because of him. -]&nbsp;</sup>]] 21:15, 11 March 2012 (UTC)
*An immeasurable and heartfelt loss. We are far, far better people for our time together. My sincerest condolences. ''Vieglas smiltis.'' ]<small> ►]</small> 01:22, 12 March 2012 (UTC)
*While Steven Rubenstein's untimely passing is a loss for us, his family and his friends, we must also recognize that we have gained more than we have lost, immeasurably so with the precious time we have been privileged to spend in his presence, however brief. Let us then celebrate his life and the significant contributions he has made to Misplaced Pages and the world at large within the fleeting moments of a human life span. It may be appropriate to remember Steven by naming a barnstar after him for use on ] or some other award that might memorialize his presence into the future. ] (]) 02:12, 12 March 2012 (UTC)
*I just don't have the words to describe how sad I feel about the passing of this wonderful man, I can only give my most heartfelt condolences to his family and friends who have suffered such a great loss - indeed a great loss to us all. ] <small>]</small> 11:55, 12 March 2012 (UTC)
*Deepest condolences...] ] 15:02, 12 March 2012 (UTC)
*Saddened by the news...] (]) 18:26, 12 March 2012 (UTC)
*This is deeply saddening and untimely, condolences to Steves family and friends. A terrible loss. . . ], ] 19:20, 12 March 2012 (UTC)
*We are all diminished by this loss. —&nbsp;]&nbsp;<sup>]</sup>/<sub>]</sub> 21:17, 12 March 2012 (UTC)
*We will all miss you dearly. <b>]]]</b> 01:16, 13 March 2012 (UTC)
*A great loss - now to the greater work of any Editor (per Ben Franklin) ] (]) 01:30, 13 March 2012 (UTC)
* SLR was a Wikipedian who knew what he talked about. A sad loss. --] (]) 07:13, 13 March 2012 (UTC)
* We never met, but I considered him a friend and will miss him. --] (]) 07:27, 13 March 2012 (UTC)
* As per all of the above, my condolences to his family. A sad enough loss for us, but sadder still for them. ] <sup> ] </sup>~<small> ] </small> 13:31, 13 March 2012 (UTC)
* I was not expecting this, and am sorry to hear it. Thank you for your long service to Misplaced Pages. ] 13:55, 13 March 2012 (UTC)
*You will truly be missed. Thank you for your time here... -- ] (]) 18:53, 13 March 2012 (UTC)
*I offer my condolences to his friends, family and loved ones. ] <small><sup>]</sup></small> 05:01, 14 March 2012 (UTC)
*A huge loss of a real encyclopedist. Some more info: . ] (]) 11:32, 15 March 2012 (UTC)
*Wow. Sorry to learn of this. -- ] (]) 17:34, 15 March 2012 (UTC)
*Steve's passing is a big loss to the encyclopedia. He was a great guy and he will be missed. ] (]) 16:59, 16 March 2012 (UTC)
* Such sad news. Thank you for everything you did here Steven, may you rest in peace while your work lives on. ] ] 12:29, 17 March 2012 (UTC)
* Steven was a terrific man: his intelligence, interest, dedication and compassion shone through even the electronic communication of this encyclopedia. His death is a terrible loss to this community and to his wider real world one, but he has left us a great legacy. Let us learn from it and put it to use. --] (]) 13:09, 17 March 2012 (UTC)
*Alas, one of the greats. ''''']]]''''' 06:16, 18 March 2012 (UTC)
*Will be sorely missed. Exemplified the true Wikipedian. '']&nbsp;]'', <small>20:18, 18 March 2012 (UTC).</small><br />
*Misplaced Pages and the world by extension have lost a great source of knowledge and teaching. Condolences to those who loved him and those who learned from him. --'']] ]'' 04:44, 19 March 2012 (UTC)
* I'm shocked and saddened to hear that you are gone. You were one the the good guys, and worked hard to make WP better. You will be missed - ] <sup>]</sup> 05:43, 19 March 2012 (UTC)
* A great loss to the community and, I'm sure, to those who knew him personally. Slrubenstein was uncommonly clueful, refreshingly forthright, and had the ] I've ever seen. ] (]) 08:57, 20 March 2012 (UTC)
*I'm stunned by this sad, sad news. He was the quintessential wikipedian--devoting countless hours with no expectation of acknowledgement, reward, no self-promotion.-- ] (]) 07:49, 22 March 2012 (UTC)
*I only just heard the news. I'm not sure if we've ever met, but it's sad news nonetheless. Rest in peace, Steve. ] (]) 22:25, 5 April 2012 (UTC)
*I only just now noticed it myself. Steve was one of the best and most neutral and knowledgeable editors I knew of, particularly for material relating to Judaism and Jewish history. Those who knew him more closely than I did have my condolences. As someone who has some religious beliefs myself, he has my prayers. Also, Steve, hoping that you have achieved a better position now, I sincerely hope that when circumstances permit you might look down at what we do here. We could use any and all help from the side of the angels as we could get, and I hope that you might not be too disappointed with what you might see being done down here from now on. ] (]) 23:56, 5 April 2012 (UTC)
*He will be missed. My sincere condolences to his family and close friends. ] <sup>]</sup> 06:39, 6 April 2012 (UTC)
*Sigh .. I also just noticed this. What a great person Steve was, and we are all the poorer for the loss, yet all the richer for having his input. My prayers to his family. You will be missed sir. — <small><span style="border:1px solid #000000;padding:1px;"><b>]</b> : ]</span></small> 13:06, 7 April 2012 (UTC)
*Condolences; he will be missed and remembered. ] (]) 09:31, 8 April 2012 (UTC)
*Very sad news. Steven was a valuable contributor. --] (]) 12:15, 8 April 2012 (UTC)
*Please, please no... Thank you for everything, Steve. Rest in peace. --] (]) 21:21, 8 April 2012 (UTC)
*I am shocked. I just learned about this today. I have known Steven through our edits on the ]. There were times when we agreed on a range of issues and there were other times when we disagreed vehemently about a specific edit. I just wish our last few interactions on Misplaced Pages were more positive. Regardless of what one thinks of him, Steve was always force for good in Misplaced Pages. He will be sorely missed. ] (]) 22:30, 11 November 2013 (UTC)
*I am so saddened to hear of this. He was the first editor to greet me and I had immense respect for him.. One of the people that make Misplaced Pages worthwhile. I will really miss this man who was so gracious, supportive, and kind to me in this realm of Misplaced Pages. He had a "way" of recruiting you to contribute to articles because he was "all in" to make Misplaced Pages work and wanted to make great articles. He also had a great sense of humor from our interactions. He welcomed me to Misplaced Pages Aug 30, 2006 and over the years I called him a friend. ] (])
* It is very sad. I learned from discussions with him, or reading how he discussed with others, ] (]) 19:02, 15 May 2014 (UTC)


== Free image ] ==
<blockquote>Although Charlemagne was the first western ruler to be crowned emperor by the Pope, the Holy Roman Empire as such cannot be seen to have begun until the coronation of the German king Otto I as Emperor in 962.</blockquote>


Will it be possible to collect a free image of Steven Rubenstein, so that we can add it here: ]. The only image I have found ] is a copyrighted one, and we can not add it in deceased Wikipedian page! Anyone to help here? --<small style="border: 2px dotted;padding:1px 4px 1px 3px;white-space:nowrap">''']''' ''']'''</small> 18:43, 13 May 2012 (UTC)
to replace the sentence


== Memorializing Steve ==
<blockquote>The first emperor of the Holy Roman Empire was Otto I, crowned in 962.</blockquote>


We are Steve Rubenstein's parents. We have established a memorial to Steven through the American Jewish World Service. I am attaching the pertinent page at AJWS. For the contributor who asked for a picture of Steve, you will find one on that page Feel free to copy it on to the Misplaced Pages site. It is one which we personally picked because it shows so clearly the kind, loving person that was Steve.
In terms of further development, I don't know that I can make any commitments. But do let me know if you think that statement is acceptable. I think acknowledging the question is a better way to go than pretending it doesn't exist. ] (]) 19:00, 13 August 2009 (UTC)
If I am unsuccessful in copying the web page, you can find it by going to American Jewish World Service web page and taking it from there. Perhaps one of you Wikipedians can find a way to spread the word. Next to Anthropology, Judaism and his close friends and family, we think Misplaced Pages was his greatest love.


''All'' the Holy Roman Emperors called themselves "Roman Emperor" or simply "Emperor". None of them ever called themselves "Holy Roman Emperor." You can find that there has, in fact, been some dispute over whether wikipedia should even use that term - it is not used in German, where they say ''Römisch-Deutscher Kaiser'' ("Roman-German Emperor"). Even this is not the official title, but simply a mash-up of the two titles of Roman Emperor and German King. My understanding is that Otto's crowning was functionally identical to Charlemagne's crowning. The distinction was that the kingdom Otto already ruled was different from the kingdom Charlemagne already ruled. Certainly from relatively early on the Holy Roman Emperors themselves came to the idea that Charlemagne was their predecessor. Thus ] in the 14th century was clearly numbering himself from the Carolingians (Charles I was Charlemagne, Charles II was Charles the Bald, Charles III was Charles the Fat), and viewing them as his predecessors. There was a tradition that the ] was Charlemagne's crown (it wasn't). Obviously there was also a tradition of being successor to the Roman Emperors, but it is wrong, I think, to equate those two traditions - the latter was pretty clearly a self-consciously antiquarian one, an attempt to link the modern state to the ancient one. The former was believed to be a historically accurate one - a real belief that Charlemagne was their direct predecessor. This belief is one which more or less persisted well after the Empire's demise, and which can still be seen in Bryce, writing 100 years ago, in the Shorter Cambridge Medieval History of 50 years ago, and in general works of reference today, including Encarta. It seems important enough to be mentioned in the article. I'm not sure what you mean about a "sop to a particular political position." Are there any currently existing political positions which care about the Holy Roman Empire? If you mean the question of whether Charlemagne was German or French, that seems irrelevant to me - I think he should be listed both in a list of Kings of France ''and'' in a list of Holy Roman Emperors, and mentioned in discussions of the history of both countries. Furthermore, the pre-Ottonian emperors include some clearly non-German figures, like Charles the Bald and Guy of Spoleto. ] (]) 23:37, 13 August 2009 (UTC)


== ] ==


This is a bit of a mess again. Shedloads of unverifiable citations, questionable and perhaps irrelevant sources, redundant sentences, etc. Same editor you've encountered before. ] (]) 09:40, 14 August 2009 (UTC)


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Thanks for fixing this. It needed the change! So according to the way it was, I guess I just call my travel agent and say, "Two Economy for the Roman Empire." With appreciation, ] (]) 18:29, 16 August 2009 (UTC)


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Please e-mail me at jgoyer01 at gmail dot com. :)--] (]) 22:38, 28 August 2009 (UTC)


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About Steven:
For the three years of his field work for his PHD. from Columbia, our son & brother Steven Rubenstein lived with the Shuar Indians in the Oriente, the Ecuadorean rainforest. He shared their food, their work, their living quarters, their way of life. The Shuar, the only indigenous people in all of Latin America never conquered by the Spaniards, adopted Steve into the tribe and gave him the name, Nanki (brother). They became his second family and one of his prime concerns was the preservation and protection of Amazonian peoples, their culture and their environment..


Steven's other great love was his Judaism. He was a graduate of the Jewish Theological Seminary, had been accepted by the Rabbinical School, and for a time he was torn between that career and anthropology. Although he chose the latter, Steve never lost his passion for Jewish thought, Jewish tradition, and especially tikkun olam, "healing the world."
There are a lot of DEs and their effect is to prevent the improvement of articles and to discourage editors who actually have expertise in various subjects. ] (]) 18:48, 26 August 2009 (UTC)


When Steven was in the midst of his field work, he travelled to the Oriente, where major oil corporations were exploring and drilling. We remember the shock he expressed at the disregard they exhibited for the effect of drilling on the environment and on a people whose lives depended on the ecological health of that area. You may, in fact, have read about various lawsuits here and in Ecuador that have resulted from this drilling.
Thank you. I am following the procedures and have posted to the Wikiquette alert notice board. ] (]) 06:01, 27 August 2009 (UTC)


Amazon Watch is an international organization that works to protect the rainforest, to advance the rights of indigenous peoples in the face of large-scale industrial development, including oil and gas pipelines, power lines and roads, to press for corporate accountability and to preserve the Amazon's ecological systems.
== Sin ==


American Jewish World Service partners with Amazon Watch in its Northern Peru Project, which specifically works to accomplish these goals. Although the country is Peru, this specific area was once part of Ecuador and is in a region of the Amazon relatively near to the Ecuadorean Oriente, where Steven lived and worked. We, Steven's family, think that support of this effort is an ideal way to combine his two great loves, Judaism and human (including indigenous) rights.
May I point out to you that
# You violated the ] with your last revert on ]. I do not plan to take you to the court for it, but still, for the record. Just in case you plan on making a habit out of it.
# You made a ] when you posted "Debresser has two problems". But using good faith I'll assume you meant "''The arguments'' of Debresser are problematic for two reasons" etc. Likewise, your advise to "look up the word inconsistent in the dictionary" is denegrating. I hope you will be able to reply more courteously next time.
# It was inconsiderate of you to point out my mistake in the word "destructed". I am, after all, not a native English speaker. Frankly, I think a compliment on my English would be more in order than exasperating at the lack of it.


American Jewish World Service will direct all donations in Steven's memory made through this web page to the Northern Peru Project of Amazon Watch.
This is on the personal side. If you'd like to, feel free to write me on my talkpage. Concerning your arguments, please see the talkpage. ] (]) 10:38, 25 August 2009 (UTC)


We'd like to think that Steven is out there, cheering on our collective support of this project, one to which he would gladly lend his name, and a fitting way to carry on his work.
# I did not violate 3 RR
# I made no personal attack. Every reader will understand - it is clear from context as well as common English usage - that "Debresser has two problems" is an elipsis for "Debresser has two problems with this article." I make this point explicitly clear by then going on to list the two problems Debresser has (with the article). There is nothing personal here.
# If English is not Debresser's native language, I have two bits of advice: (1) do not edit Misplaced Pages when English language usage and style are the issues (which is the case here, i.e. Debresser's misunderstanding the passage he keeps deleting), and (2) I would hope there is a Misplaced Pages in Debresser's language that he can comfortably edit, without risking deleting someone's work or getting into an argument because he does not understand the language adequately. Debresser wants me to compliment him on his knowledge of English. But I am neither complimenting nor criticizing him - ''none'' of this is personal. This is only about improving Misplaced Pages articles. Debressers incomplete knowledge of English is a barrier here, but by implication he has a native language and I am sure can make very prodductive edits there. Debresser does not like my pointing out the mistake with "destructed." He does not get my point, which is that if he can make this kind of simple mistkae - and obviously does not take the time to check his writing against an English dictionary, even though he now confesses that English is not his native language and that his knowledge is imperfect, then we should not be surprised when he misreads other people's edits, on article pages or talk pages. This is not a personal attack, just following through the implications of what Debresser himself acknowledges. I have no personal feelings about Debresser. I just want good Misplaced Pages articles, and based on what Debresser writes here, I imagine there is another language Misplaced Pages he could edit with real satisfaction and success. Wouldn't that be a good thing?] | ] 10:50, 25 August 2009 (UTC)


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I'm sorry, but you ''did'' violate the 3 revert rule. please check the pertaining policy. And you continue here with your denegrating remarks. ] (]) 10:59, 25 August 2009 (UTC)
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Although I don't have any strong views one way or the other about the section {{user|Dinkytown}} disputes in EGE. I see that they are acting intemperately and not waiting for responses. I am afraid this is behaviour which, if continued, will probably lead to a block. ] (]) 23:30, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

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Steven Rubenstein

A credible report was posted on Facebook today, from one of Steve Rubenstein's close friends, that Steve has died in Liverpool, where he was a Reader in Anthropology at the University of Liverpool. His friend has left contact details on Steve's Facebook page, in case anyone wants to get in touch. I've been in touch with him, and there is currently no firm information about what happened.

Anyone who came into contact with Steve will know what a wonderful human being he was. He was with Misplaced Pages from almost the beginning – his first edit was on 12 December 2001, registered with the User ID 98. He was active over the years on several sourcing policies; and on articles about race, anthropology, evolution, gender, feminism, Judaism, and Christianity. He was one of those editors who really understood Misplaced Pages, who really got it. He had the concept of a living encyclopaedia that anyone could edit in his bones, and was fierce in his defence of that idea whenever he saw it threatened.

That he has the novice editor's badge on his talk page says a lot about his attitude to Misplaced Pages. He never wanted to talk about who he was, and what he had done – not because it was a secret, but because he wanted to be judged by his edits alone.

He was one of the most erudite people I've ever encountered, and one of the most intellectually welcoming and generous. There wasn't anything that Steve didn't have an interesting perspective on, and he was happy to explain his views to anyone, if he felt he or they, or anyone else reading it, might benefit from the exchange. He was also one of the nicest people I knew. He was big-hearted, and he was brave, and he had humility. My heart goes out to his family and close friends. The world has lost someone very special. SlimVirgin 03:34, 10 March 2012 (UTC)

I find myself in full agreement with SlimVirgin. This is quite a loss to the encyclopedia, and to the free culture movement. Rest in peace. Philippe Beaudette, Wikimedia Foundation (talk) 09:00, 10 March 2012 (UTC)
  • This is such a loss, not just to our wikipedia community but also, to the wider intellectual community. Steve was a great asset to this project and a fantastic colleague here. As SV said, he was one of the most generous people (of his time, his thoughts and his energies) that I've had the pleasure of encountering. My condolences to all who knew him - he will be sorely missed. Rest in peace Steve---Cailil 01:08, 11 March 2012 (UTC)

Free image Steven Rubenstein

Will it be possible to collect a free image of Steven Rubenstein, so that we can add it here: Misplaced Pages:Deceased_Wikipedians#Steven_Rubenstein_.28Slrubenstein.29. The only image I have found File:Steven L. Rubenstein.jpg is a copyrighted one, and we can not add it in deceased Wikipedian page! Anyone to help here? --Tito Dutta ✉ 18:43, 13 May 2012 (UTC)

Memorializing Steve

We are Steve Rubenstein's parents. We have established a memorial to Steven through the American Jewish World Service. I am attaching the pertinent page at AJWS. For the contributor who asked for a picture of Steve, you will find one on that page Feel free to copy it on to the Misplaced Pages site. It is one which we personally picked because it shows so clearly the kind, loving person that was Steve. If I am unsuccessful in copying the web page, you can find it by going to American Jewish World Service web page and taking it from there. Perhaps one of you Wikipedians can find a way to spread the word. Next to Anthropology, Judaism and his close friends and family, we think Misplaced Pages was his greatest love.



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Tell A Friend Create a page like this Please bookmark this page. About Steven: For the three years of his field work for his PHD. from Columbia, our son & brother Steven Rubenstein lived with the Shuar Indians in the Oriente, the Ecuadorean rainforest. He shared their food, their work, their living quarters, their way of life. The Shuar, the only indigenous people in all of Latin America never conquered by the Spaniards, adopted Steve into the tribe and gave him the name, Nanki (brother). They became his second family and one of his prime concerns was the preservation and protection of Amazonian peoples, their culture and their environment..

Steven's other great love was his Judaism. He was a graduate of the Jewish Theological Seminary, had been accepted by the Rabbinical School, and for a time he was torn between that career and anthropology. Although he chose the latter, Steve never lost his passion for Jewish thought, Jewish tradition, and especially tikkun olam, "healing the world."

When Steven was in the midst of his field work, he travelled to the Oriente, where major oil corporations were exploring and drilling. We remember the shock he expressed at the disregard they exhibited for the effect of drilling on the environment and on a people whose lives depended on the ecological health of that area. You may, in fact, have read about various lawsuits here and in Ecuador that have resulted from this drilling.

Amazon Watch is an international organization that works to protect the rainforest, to advance the rights of indigenous peoples in the face of large-scale industrial development, including oil and gas pipelines, power lines and roads, to press for corporate accountability and to preserve the Amazon's ecological systems.

American Jewish World Service partners with Amazon Watch in its Northern Peru Project, which specifically works to accomplish these goals. Although the country is Peru, this specific area was once part of Ecuador and is in a region of the Amazon relatively near to the Ecuadorean Oriente, where Steven lived and worked. We, Steven's family, think that support of this effort is an ideal way to combine his two great loves, Judaism and human (including indigenous) rights.

American Jewish World Service will direct all donations in Steven's memory made through this web page to the Northern Peru Project of Amazon Watch.

We'd like to think that Steven is out there, cheering on our collective support of this project, one to which he would gladly lend his name, and a fitting way to carry on his work.

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Doc tang inaka gawin muna tanga lahat wag ako animal ka..eto lang masasabi ko sayo wag n wag tayo magkita na nasa labas ka yayariin tlga kita putang inamo..hindi mo alam ginagawa mo ginulo mo buhay namin putang inamo kaang animal ka..mag iingats ka mamaya bgla my sumabog sa bahay mo patay kayo lahat dyan putang inaka — Preceding unsigned comment added by 136.158.16.223 (talk) 21:08, 20 June 2022 (UTC)