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			== Arbitration request statement ==
	== Socionics article ==

			Hi Rmcnew,
	Hey man, I just wanted you to know that Misplaced Pages kind of frowns on self-promotion. I'm not saying I disagree with you, but that you promoted your ideas yourself is unacceptable. I'm going to revert you but don't take it seriously.... You don't see me promoting supersocionics here, do you? If I don't do this, others will, so just leave the metasocion link at the links page and... advertise elsewhere! Sorry, I really didn't want to have to do this.... Please understand. ] (]) 05:37, 19 April 2009 (UTC)

			Could you please add a statement to the Arbitration request you have just filed? Please follow this guide for if you need any help ]. Thanks. -- ] - <small>]</small> 17:23, 1 October 2009 (UTC)
	:I included a note next to the metasocion forums link about the alchemy stuff. ...If we had left that in there, they would have slapped the "alternative views" label back on the entire article. That would be make our job more difficult.... I want you to remember that rule though: never, ever self-promote yourself on Misplaced Pages. They've got strict policy on that and may ban you for it. (at the very least they won't tolerate it). ] (]) 05:55, 19 April 2009 (UTC)

			== Request for arbitration ==
	You are probably right. I went ahead and added what was in the socionics article to the new tattwa article, and put a link from there to that article from the socionics article. --] (]) 11:46, 19 April 2009 (UTC)
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	==Your recent edits==
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			On behalf of the Arbitration Committee, ] <sup>(])</sup> 12:49, 6 October 2009 (UTC)
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			:I have removed 10,551 words worth of material that you have posted to the Evidence page from this case, and put it on the talk page. The instructions clearly state that a 1000 word maximum should be adhered to, and while exceeding this by a small amount might be acceptable under some circumstances, the amount of material you posted was just too much. I invite you to re-add anything you think is relevant and essential to your case onto the evidence page, but please try to keep it as succinct, on-topic, and germane to the case as possible. Regards, ] <sup>(])</sup> 11:37, 7 October 2009 (UTC).
	==Your recent edits==

			::I have looked at your contributions to the evidence page, and while I cannot force you to change your evidence, I would suggest taking another look at what you have written. The arbs do not need a lengthy discussion on the nature of the content dispute, what they're after is ''evidence'' of actual conduct issues, preferably supported by concrete examples and diffs. Content issues should only be discussed where they're essential to understanding the background of an actionable issue. Given that your evidence at this time does not contain this, it makes it more difficult for the arbs to do a thorough examination of the issues, which can lead to delays and prevent the speedy resolution of this case.
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	==Your recent edits==

			I'm the drafting arbitrator in this case. Please see my note . Could you please respond there, and let me know that you understand what I've said there, and could you please state when your evidence submission will be finished, and could you please ensure it has been edited to fit the length restrictions. ] (]) 05:46, 27 October 2009 (UTC)
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			== Proposition ==
	==Proposed deletion of Socionics (metaphysics) (disambiguation)==
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			Support DeLong's approach to documenting esoterism in the article, and I'll drop the assertion that you should be prohibited from adding esoteric content to it. It seems to me in that case that you'd be prohibiting yourself from painting the entire field as esoteric, making an external prohibition superfluous.
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			If we can persuade Misplaced Pages to adopt a change in policy such that esoteric forays by some scientists are not interpreted as reflective of the entire field, I think that could result in a number of other such disputes becoming non-starters. That would make Misplaced Pages a nicer place, probably. ] (]) 06:18, 11 October 2009 (UTC)
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			::: While Rick Delong and I agree fundamentally on specific instances that esotericism is present in socionics theory, I don't totally agree with his personal stance and I don't think your claims are significant enough to have much force in light of verifiable sources that meet wikipedias standards, that testify to a degree of esotericism in socionics theory. On the other hand I am content with the way wikipedia socionics article is at this moment and hope it stays this way. However I would agree that Socionics has not been entirely saturated with open applications of esotericism. I think a different approach is required to relay this information on wikipedia. --] (]) 17:25, 14 October 2009 (UTC)
	== June 2009 ==
	] Please refrain from making unconstructive edits to Misplaced Pages{{#if:Socionics (metaphysics) (disambiguation)\|, as you did to ]}}. Your edits appear to constitute ] and have been ]. If you would like to experiment, please use the ]. Thank you.<!-- Template:uw-vandalism2 --> <span style="padding-left: 1em;"> </span>'''⊃°''']...... ] 00:22, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

			:::: Agree to the concensus on reliable sources and I'll drop the case against you on arbcom --] (]) 16:02, 19 October 2009 (UTC)
	:'''Copied from ]:'''
	:I originally created that page and deleted it because of the weird delete tag that was added. Why was it added to begin with? --] (]) 00:25, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
	::Your "Idiots..." comment flagged up on my Anti-Vandal filter so I rolled the page back, but as you had blanked the page after that, my rollback took it back to before then. Please leave the page alone and I will mark it for speedy deletion. <span style="padding-left: 1em;"> </span>'''⊃°''']...... ] 00:42, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

			:::::Just a brief note here. I'm aware of the above discussion, and will be entering it into evidence. But can you both please stop the horse-trading and plea bargaining here? You both need to work to Misplaced Pages's guidelines and policies, and learn to work with other editors, not trade arbitration sanctions in return for agreeing to a consensus. That is unacceptable and not how Misplaced Pages works. ] (]) 06:14, 27 October 2009 (UTC)
	== Edit summary ==

			== Talk pages posts and Socionics case ==
	Hello. Before removing a large amount of information, like you did with ], please leave a reason of why you did it. Or else, it probably will be reverted. Thanks, ] (]) 19:14, 15 June 2009 (UTC)
	:OK, thanks. I did not know, so I'm sorry. Next time, would you please put it in the edit summary? Thanks --] (]) 19:19, 15 June 2009 (UTC)

			A further note in addition to the one above about the Socionics arbitration case. I've posted , and on the talk pages of the two parties (one of which is you). Rmcnew, can you please in future post to the case talk pages, or to my talk page if urgent, rather than to multiple arbitrators? And if you do post to user talk pages, please try and post at the bottom, not the top. I should have proposals up on the workshop soon, but need to review the new evidence. I am now going to leave a note for Tcaudilllg about what is appropriate to post and say in evidence, but please can you (as I said above) make sure that your evidence section is within the limits set in the guidelines. ] (]) 06:11, 27 October 2009 (UTC)
	Please start leaving edit summaries. They help editors who patrol edits a lot. Thanks, ] (]) 00:30, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

			:Hi Rmcnew, I've made a few minor refactors of the evidence that you've presented, as well as moving some material that, while possibly helpful, off to an archive. I have a question about your "Exhibit D" - from which (talk?) page does this particular list come from? It may be more helpful to link directly to a revision that has this list in it, rather than doing a straight copy and paste, as that removes any possible doubt about tampering, and it'll also get your presentation in well under the 1000 word limit. Regards, ] <sup>(])</sup> 11:37, 27 October 2009 (UTC).
	== ... ==

			== Questions for the parties (Socionics arbitration case) ==
	If I don't stand up to you, people will look at me as though I shirk my principles. I'm not that kinda person. ] (]) 17:07, 25 June 2009 (UTC)

			Questions have been posed ]. Could the parties please answer the questions by Sunday evening. Thanks. ] (]) 09:13, 29 October 2009 (UTC)
	I am completely indifferent to the fact you think you have to "stand up to me." I view my self as the anti-christ that keeps socionics real and the "sheep from settling". If no one else is going to take a stand a tell the truth about the origin of socionics, and the fact that I bothered to be the one person who takes a stand against "the socionic sheep who believe what they are told and never think for themselves" and that makes me the bad guy who "tells people how it is with socionics", I will be the bad guy who "tells it like it is."

			== Socionics case update ==
	All I know is that it is impossible for anyone to do any research into the matter and not eventually find the real truth. And so long as the "wolf is on the prowl" some people are going to be looking into the matter. Now, you can be the "dog that protects the sheep" all you want and attempt to shield some of this extremity, but I know you are in it for the truth as well. I am pretty sure you just want moderation in the matter. --] (]) 21:25, 25 June 2009 (UTC)

			Please see for the latest on the Socionics case. Please comment on what has been proposed so far, in the sections provided. ] (]) 12:38, 21 November 2009 (UTC)
	== Coming to the point ==
			:I have completed my proposed decision. Previous sections have been updated . Findings on your conduct are . Findings on Tcaudilllg's conduct are . Further proposed remedies are . I am notifying both parties (including you), and the arbitrators. I intend to move this case to full voting tomorrow (Sunday). If you would like more time to respond to the findings, or to comment on the workshop sections, please go to the workshop talk page and comment in the section I will be creating there. ] (]) 13:29, 28 November 2009 (UTC)

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	Could you explain, succinctly, what your thesis is on socionics? And can you find something that fits ] that states this thesis? And is there any evidence that socionics as a whole is notable? ] (]) 18:01, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

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	== My opinion on why the Socionics article deletion would potentially be a good thing taking the circumstances ==
			* {{user\|Rmcnew}} and {{user\|Tcaudilllg}} are indefinitely topic banned from all Socionics-related topics, pages, and discussions, broadly construed.
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			For the Arbitration Committee, ] <sup>(])</sup> 06:25, 12 December 2009 (UTC)
	First off I should probably state who I am. I am officially recognized in Russia and the United States as a practicing socionists. I studied Religion, Theology, Metaphysics, Biblical Languages, at a University in Texas for 4 years, and the German language at a University in Northern California for 3 years, where I had the opportunity to exchange to Tuebingen University in Tuebingen, Germany to study Theology, and improve my Greek. I have studied socionics since 2003 and was the owner of the largest english speaking socionics forum the16types.info since 2005 (bought from Jimmy Caretti) until I sold it in late 2008. Since that time I formed the forum metasocion.com in order to present socionics in its natural form, as I found the "the the16types.info" crowd to be both extremely ignorant and prejudiced against presenting socionics the way that the founders had originally presented it. You can see some of my socionic credentials below:

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	http://www.wikisocion.org/en/index.php?title=Reuben_McNew
	http://www.typelab.ru/en/1.begin/index.html
	http://www.socioniki.info/index.php/2008-11-05-20-39-51

			== time to do some cleanup ==
	It is my personal opinion that all socionics articles should be deleted until it is agreed by everyone that it is a good idea to give a neutral presentation of the origin of socionics that discusses its esoteric development and gives mention to the fact that esoteric interpretations of chakras, tattwas, and psychic energy and mysticism in general were the main basis that the founders of socionics based their theory upon, and that from this socionics was formulated and later "framed to appear to be something like Jung or MBTI" and that "mystical interpretations of socionics type theory have descended directly from the founders and exist to this day" and that "there is a split between those of the opinion that socionics is something empirical and that socionics is something mystical." The multitude of sources that have been presented have already shown this. However, taking that there are people who would rather take unneutral views of socionics and present socionics in a way contrary to its origin I would be in favor of deleteing all socionics articles. I think that those who are opposed to an esoteric presentation of socionics should either come to terms that it would be correct to allow some information in some form to neutrally portray socionics esoteric background or to be content with the deletion of the whole of all of the information. --] (]) 20:42, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

			Now all that is done, gone and overwith ... time to clean up this area.
	:I linked to the tattwas article in the appropriate context. The best thing you can do is to find at least three sources for the assertion that there is a link. ] (]) 17:58, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

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On behalf of the Arbitration Committee, Lankiveil 12:49, 6 October 2009 (UTC)

I have removed 10,551 words worth of material that you have posted to the Evidence page from this case, and put it on the talk page. The instructions clearly state that a 1000 word maximum should be adhered to, and while exceeding this by a small amount might be acceptable under some circumstances, the amount of material you posted was just too much. I invite you to re-add anything you think is relevant and essential to your case onto the evidence page, but please try to keep it as succinct, on-topic, and germane to the case as possible. Regards, Lankiveil 11:37, 7 October 2009 (UTC).

I have looked at your contributions to the evidence page, and while I cannot force you to change your evidence, I would suggest taking another look at what you have written. The arbs do not need a lengthy discussion on the nature of the content dispute, what they're after is evidence of actual conduct issues, preferably supported by concrete examples and diffs. Content issues should only be discussed where they're essential to understanding the background of an actionable issue. Given that your evidence at this time does not contain this, it makes it more difficult for the arbs to do a thorough examination of the issues, which can lead to delays and prevent the speedy resolution of this case.

If you've any questions or need any assistance, please drop a note to myself or one of the other clerks and we'll be happy to assist however we can. Lankiveil 10:39, 10 October 2009 (UTC).

I'm the drafting arbitrator in this case. Please see my note here. Could you please respond there, and let me know that you understand what I've said there, and could you please state when your evidence submission will be finished, and could you please ensure it has been edited to fit the length restrictions. Carcharoth (talk) 05:46, 27 October 2009 (UTC)

Proposition

Support DeLong's approach to documenting esoterism in the article, and I'll drop the assertion that you should be prohibited from adding esoteric content to it. It seems to me in that case that you'd be prohibiting yourself from painting the entire field as esoteric, making an external prohibition superfluous.

If we can persuade Misplaced Pages to adopt a change in policy such that esoteric forays by some scientists are not interpreted as reflective of the entire field, I think that could result in a number of other such disputes becoming non-starters. That would make Misplaced Pages a nicer place, probably. Tcaudilllg (talk) 06:18, 11 October 2009 (UTC)

While Rick Delong and I agree fundamentally on specific instances that esotericism is present in socionics theory, I don't totally agree with his personal stance and I don't think your claims are significant enough to have much force in light of verifiable sources that meet wikipedias standards, that testify to a degree of esotericism in socionics theory. On the other hand I am content with the way wikipedia socionics article is at this moment and hope it stays this way. However I would agree that Socionics has not been entirely saturated with open applications of esotericism. I think a different approach is required to relay this information on wikipedia. --Rmcnew (talk) 17:25, 14 October 2009 (UTC)

Agree to the concensus on reliable sources and I'll drop the case against you on arbcom --Rmcnew (talk) 16:02, 19 October 2009 (UTC)

Just a brief note here. I'm aware of the above discussion, and will be entering it into evidence. But can you both please stop the horse-trading and plea bargaining here? You both need to work to Misplaced Pages's guidelines and policies, and learn to work with other editors, not trade arbitration sanctions in return for agreeing to a consensus. That is unacceptable and not how Misplaced Pages works. Carcharoth (talk) 06:14, 27 October 2009 (UTC)

Talk pages posts and Socionics case

A further note in addition to the one above about the Socionics arbitration case. I've posted here, and on the talk pages of the two parties (one of which is you). Rmcnew, can you please in future post to the case talk pages, or to my talk page if urgent, rather than to multiple arbitrators? And if you do post to user talk pages, please try and post at the bottom, not the top. I should have proposals up on the workshop soon, but need to review the new evidence. I am now going to leave a note for Tcaudilllg about what is appropriate to post and say in evidence, but please can you (as I said above) make sure that your evidence section is within the limits set in the guidelines. Carcharoth (talk) 06:11, 27 October 2009 (UTC)

Hi Rmcnew, I've made a few minor refactors of the evidence that you've presented, as well as moving some material that, while possibly helpful, off to an archive. I have a question about your "Exhibit D" - from which (talk?) page does this particular list come from? It may be more helpful to link directly to a revision that has this list in it, rather than doing a straight copy and paste, as that removes any possible doubt about tampering, and it'll also get your presentation in well under the 1000 word limit. Regards, Lankiveil 11:37, 27 October 2009 (UTC).

Questions for the parties (Socionics arbitration case)

Questions have been posed here. Could the parties please answer the questions by Sunday evening. Thanks. Carcharoth (talk) 09:13, 29 October 2009 (UTC)

Socionics case update

Please see here for the latest on the Socionics case. Please comment on what has been proposed so far, in the sections provided. Carcharoth (talk) 12:38, 21 November 2009 (UTC)

I have completed my proposed decision. Previous sections have been updated here. Findings on your conduct are here. Findings on Tcaudilllg's conduct are here. Further proposed remedies are here. I am notifying both parties (including you), and the arbitrators. I intend to move this case to full voting tomorrow (Sunday). If you would like more time to respond to the findings, or to comment on the workshop sections, please go to the workshop talk page and comment in the section I will be creating there. Carcharoth (talk) 13:29, 28 November 2009 (UTC)

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