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My suggestion is to add an additional section for the middle east category to include Israel. In 2015, Benjamin Net. voiced his opinion that Palestinian leaders persuaded the Nazis to commence the holocaust. This denial denigrates the Nazi decision to carry out the mass killing and is a way to condemn Palestinians today.

From BBC https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-34594563

From AP news https://apnews.com/general-news-61ead35a427a408e9d93d43f41cfa064 71.229.52.174 (talk) 18:17, 2 December 2024 (UTC)

The sources are good, though it can be argued to be not exactly "denial". A sentence like "Historians said that Israeli PM BN served the interests of HD-ers when he claimed in 2015 that..." is not unreasonable IMO. I note that this thing is well covered in Benjamin Netanyahu. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 18:50, 2 December 2024 (UTC)

As in mentioned in the intro as part of holocaust denialism, "Nazi Germany's "Final Solution" was aimed only at deporting Jews from the territory of the Third Reich and did not include their extermination.", Which even without an explicit comment from a historian or commentator from the articles stating that is in explicit service fellow HD-ers, it matches the definition as provided in the intro. Thank you for taking the time to review this proposal. 71.229.52.174 (talk) 20:30, 2 December 2024 (UTC)

Point, per the WP-article's definition, this does seem like a version of HD. I've WP:APPNOTEd in a couple of places, we'll see if other editors can be arsed to have an opinion. For the interested, the coverage in the BN-article is at Benjamin_Netanyahu#Fourth_term. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 05:02, 3 December 2024 (UTC)

Also, there is Under-fire Netanyahu criticised over 'a form of Holocaust denial', Irish Independent, 2015, , , etc. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 05:17, 3 December 2024 (UTC)

I would like to suggest adding the following under the middle east section.

=== Israel ===

Israel's Prim Minister, Mr Netanyahu, at a speech to the World Zionist Congress in 2015, insisted Adolf Hitler did not want to exterminate jews but had only wanted to expel them from Europe due too the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem Haj Amin al-Husseini request. This has been seen as a means to reduce Hitler's responsibility for the Holocaust by Angela Merkel and chief Israel Holocaust Historian, Yad Vashem. 71.229.52.174 (talk) 14:20, 19 December 2024 (UTC)

Could you include the exact quotes from the sources? (Like what the article said exactly in regards to this)? Wikieditor662 (talk) 07:30, 11 January 2025 (UTC)

Hello Wikieditor662, the exact quote from the AP Article goes like, Mr. Netanyahu said “Hitler didn’t want to exterminate the Jews at the time, he wanted to expel the Jews, and Haj Amin al-Husseini went to Hitler and said, ‘If you expel them, they’ll all come here.’ ‘So what should I do with them?’ he asked. He said, ‘Burn them.’” The quote is a bit long and can be found in the attached article, but it could provide greater context? 71.229.52.174 (talk) 14:55, 13 January 2025 (UTC)

Thank you, I have the sources for the first part, but I couldn't find any that stated that Merkel or Yad Vashem accused Netanyahu of being a holocaust denier. Could you point me towards that? Wikieditor662 (talk) 23:42, 13 January 2025 (UTC)

For Merkel, I could find only where she denounced Netanyahu Statements and Yad Vashem in the BBC article, Netanyahu Holocaust remarks: Israeli PM criticised, stated that what he said was factually incorrect. The opposition leader, Isaac Herzog, mentioned that the statements "play into the hands of holocaust deniers" and the MP Itzik Shmuli made a similar statement Anger at Netanyahu claim Palestinian grand mufti inspired Holocaust. Though not explicitly a hardcore holocaust denier, the statement Netanyahu made did reduce the role of Hitler's decision and Germany's responsibility, per leaders and scholars views. 71.229.52.174 (talk) 16:01, 14 January 2025 (UTC)

If it's not explicitly about holocaust denialism, then why should it be in the Holocaust denial article? Wikieditor662 (talk) 23:01, 14 January 2025 (UTC)

Section on Germany

In the German section, the terminology of "Volksverhetzung" is explained and translated twice in mostly the same way. I think it should be possible to remove one of those (preferrably the second one) to make for more fluent reading. --131Platypi (talk) 13:11, 9 December 2024 (UTC)

Done, thanks. JimRenge (talk) 14:48, 9 December 2024 (UTC)

"So-called"

The article says "so-called" Allied atrocities when referring to ways holocaust deniers try to minimize the holocaust with a false comparison. However, using "so-called" about something that historically happened doesn't make sense; it would be more fitting to use "so-called" for the false equivalency. For example, if they tried to minimize the holocaust by comparing it to the slavery in the US, you wouldn't say the "so-called slavery", you would say "so-called" about the comparison. Does that make sense? Are there any objections to removing so-called from that part? Wikieditor662 (talk) 00:04, 14 January 2025 (UTC)

What phrasing do the cited sources use? Llll5032 (talk) 00:39, 14 January 2025 (UTC)

By removing "so-called", it would look like it there was allies were the ones committing atrocities (similar to concentration camps?). Seems like the issue is "allied atrocities". Ramos1990 (talk) 01:41, 14 January 2025 (UTC)

@Llll5032 I don't have access to that specific source, but on the Allied atrocities page you can see it's definitely not speculative that they committed the atrocities.

@Ramos1990 the allies did commit atrocities, but nowhere on the page is it said that it's similar to the concentration camps. If the holocaust deniers said it's similar to concentration camps, then adding "so-called" there would make sense. However, saying "so-called" to an event that actually happened doesn't look right to me. Wikieditor662 (talk) 01:49, 14 January 2025 (UTC)

It is best resolved by citing and summarizing how the academic sources on Holocaust denial phrase the issue, per WP:STICKTOTHESOURCE and WP:BESTSOURCES: "When writing about a topic, basing content on the best respected and most authoritative reliable sources helps to prevent bias, undue weight, and other NPOV disagreements." Llll5032 (talk) 13:18, 14 January 2025 (UTC)

The source says "The leading Holocaust denial institute is the German-Austrian Institute for Contemporary History. Its role is similar to the American Institute for Historical Review and there is interaction between them. Most of its scholarship is devoted to proving that the Holocaust was a hoax concocted by Jews to win financial support from Germany. Another Holocaust institute is the Research Institute for Contemporary History (Zeitgeschichtliche Forschungsstelle). Alfred Schickel founded this institute in 1981. He has remained head of this institute that is headquartered in Ingolstadt, Germany. Schickel has been careful to avoid German legal restriction against attacking the Holocaust, so he has concentrated on so-called Allied atrocities against the Germans during and after the war. He has also frequently written in the extreme right journal Young Freedom (lunge Freiheit). Schickel has cautiously incorporated the Auschwitz lie thesis in his writings." (Atkins, Holocaust denial as an international movement, 2009, pg. 105) Ramos1990 (talk) 20:38, 14 January 2025 (UTC)

@Ramos1990 @Llll5032 So looks like they do use "so-called" in this source. However, this does seem to conflate with the numerous other sources which state that the allied atrocities definitely happened. Wikieditor662 (talk) 23:04, 14 January 2025 (UTC)

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