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:I don't see how I've violated any of Misplaced Pages's guidelines. All I see are veteran, Admin editors abusing these guidelines every possible chance they get. Which guidelines have I violated? (Aside from losing my cool a bit when told that my People are a bunch of demonic murderers with no history to speak of, and that secular historical accounts of a ] are based entirely upon biblical myth. Essentially, pre-1948 Judaism is a myth, Jews have no relevant story to tell. For that, I apologize.)
:Regarding your edits to ], before removing or altering sourced information, I would appreciate it very much if you would open a discussion on the talk page first. Bringing new sources to the discussion that contain the information you are seeking to alter would help. Thank you and welcome to Misplaced Pages. ]<sup>]</sup> 08:41, 23 October 2009 (UTC)


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::Is it necessary to discuss a patently false implication? If an article were to state: "The 22nd Amendment to the Twenty-second Amendment to the United States Constitution limits African Americans to two terms as President",ref></ref> must we open up a discussion before removing the patently misleading reference to African Americans?
::Yes, it is true that Palestinian Citizens of Israel lived under martial law during the period mentioned. As did Jewish Israeli Citizens living in the same area. The obvious false implication of the statement is that this state of law applied in a discriminatory way. By all means, as per your request, I will refrain from clarifying even the most biased of implications.
::The statement: "One witness to the expulsion said that it was preceded by soldiers shooting and killing five villagers inside the church, while another said seven villagers were brutally shot and killed by soldiers outside the church." is an extremely inaccurate, unnecessarily biased (how was this alleged shooting any more "brutal" than those fired back?) and very possibly untrue. I checked the source, and the author himself provides no source. He merely makes a claim. How is it that what originated as an absolutely unsourced claim mysteriously transformed itself into a statement of fact?
::I have every intention of abiding by Misplaced Pages's editing protocols. Please explain to me the proper manner of correcting obvious errors, intentional or not, the the guidelines you've supplied are simply of no help.
::In it's simplest sense, should an article state: 1+1=3, am I free to replace the 3 with a 2? ] (]) 19:54, 28 October 2009 (UTC)
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It seems you are not familiar with the way things are done in Misplaced Pages. I advise you to read the guidelines before editing again. Continued behavior as you have exhibited so far will only serve to get you banned. ]<sup><small>]</small></sup> 10:58, 31 October 2009 (UTC)
:::Please discuss on the article talk page. Not here.
:::This is not math, its about historical narratives, some of which are bound to conflict.
:::There is no such thing as ] on Misplaced Pages. There is only what ]'s have to say which can be ]'ed. ]<sup>]</sup> 20:05, 28 October 2009 (UTC)


:Have you ever even been to Israel? Can you name one single thing about Israel that is GOOD? Can you name one single thing about Jews that is GOOD?
::::"Please discuss on the article talk page. Not here."
::::You began a discussion. I responded. I had no idea I was not permitted to respond.
::::"This is not math, its about historical narratives, some of which are bound to conflict."
::::Am I to understand it that the statement "The 22nd Amendment to the Twenty-second Amendment to the United States Constitution limits African Americans to two terms as President" is no more than a mere "conflict of historical narratives"?
::::Is this truly how Misplaced Pages works? As a Black Man, the false racial implications of that statement would be nothing less than a mockery of the TRUE racism suffered by my ancestors. I can only imagine how a Jew must feel when reading such "conflicting narratives". ] (]) 23:23, 28 October 2009 (UTC)


:If you can't, please "ban" me. ] (]) 23:09, 1 November 2009 (UTC)
:::::Please dn't put words in my mouth. In my first message to you here, I asked that you discuss any changes you would like to make to the article on ''the article talk page''. I stand by that request. You can reply all you want to, wherever you want to, to whatever you want to ... but if you would actually like to edit the article in question, it is best for you to discuss article related issues on the article talk page.

::::::I began a discussion to point you to the article talk page.
:: I've been to Israel many times. Which has nothing to do with your performance on Misplaced Pages. ]<sup><small>]</small></sup> 02:48, 2 November 2009 (UTC)
::::::About the rest, I don't know what you mean, and as its not related to article improvement, I'm done discussing. Thanks. ]<sup>]</sup> 08:31, 29 October 2009 (UTC)

:::Fine. We'll go about this one step at a time. I've removed the gratuitously POV adverb "brutally". Is that ok? Am I "performing" well so far? ] (]) 04:07, 2 November 2009 (UTC)

::::To take out the word "brutally" is fine with me...as it is not in the source at all. (However, your last edit before that to ] was not funny at all, and I´m glad you are not continuing that line.) Regards, ] (]) 04:23, 2 November 2009 (UTC)

:::::It wasn't meant to be funny.

:::::Removed non-sequitur reference to the Crusades in the very first sentence. "Crusader" is not a language. ] (]) 04:42, 2 November 2009 (UTC)

::::::Is my perfomance still ok? I would like to move on to question: In what particular language does the word "bissah" mean "swamp"? ] (]) 05:13, 2 November 2009 (UTC)

:::::::Firstly; about : ] is an "ancient" article (by wikipedia-standards); it was created waaay back in 2003. AFAIK, neither Zero, Tiamut or myself have inserted the material you find offending; it has been there for years. Should I (we) have gone throught every bit of "old" information in the article if we added new information? Well, in an ideal word, perhaps: but in practice: Impossible. I´ve edited 2-3000 articles on wikipedia; mostly adding information from books, etc...I don´t know of any "content-provider" that *always* check *all* information that is already in an article.
:::::::As for saying: ""Crusader" is not a language"...that is of course true; but the Crusaders had a lot of "scribes", history-writers etc, and the place-names in Palestine occurred in their deeds, titles, etc. To say that a place "was known to the Crusaders as xx" is the common way of describing it.
:::::::Finally; a little less aggressive attitude would be appreciated, Cheers, ] (]) 21:36, 2 November 2009 (UTC)
::::::::Are you saying you're not "offended" by plagiarism? Whatever the case, we're not talking dotting the i's or crossing the t's. We're talking about an article about the history of a village in Israel spanning from the time of the Canaanites to 1948, when, enter the Jews, the town is "depopulated". Why has the entire period of ancient Israel been absolutely ignored? Why is their not even the slightest mention of any Jewish presence until the arrival of European Jews? Why were the Muslim invasions of the 7th century ignored? All we have is a story of a Canaanite village, cut to the Roman period, cut to an Arab village, cut to a bunch of "brutal" Jews taking it away from them. Do you mean to tell me that you never noticed anything even slightly amiss about the article? I'm not taking a pro-Israeli OR pro-Palestinian stand here. Yes. The Jews CONQUERED the Canaanites and made the land theirs. Later, the Arab Muslims CONQUERED the Christian Romans, and took it for themselves. The Christians made several attempts to take it back for themselves in what are known of as the Crusades. Finally, in 1948 it fell into the hands of the Jews. Who does the land rightfully belong to? Encyclopedias aren't meant to pass judgment upon such questions. Just the facts. Do you disagree? ] (]) 03:06, 3 November 2009 (UTC)

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If THIS is how "things are done" in Misplaced Pages, please ban me. I wish to have no part in this. ] (]) 05:32, 2 November 2009 (UTC)

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Nevermind.

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Hello, AbdulHornochsmannn! Welcome to Misplaced Pages! Thank you for your contributions to this 💕. If you decide that you need help, check out Getting Help below, ask me on my talk page, or place {{helpme}} on your talk page and ask your question there. Please remember to sign your name on talk pages by clicking or using four tildes (~~~~); this will automatically produce your username and the date. Finally, please do your best to always fill in the edit summary field. Below are some useful links to facilitate your involvement. Happy editing! NSH001 (talk) 20:40, 3 November 2009 (UTC)
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I don't see how I've violated any of Misplaced Pages's guidelines. All I see are veteran, Admin editors abusing these guidelines every possible chance they get. Which guidelines have I violated? (Aside from losing my cool a bit when told that my People are a bunch of demonic murderers with no history to speak of, and that secular historical accounts of a Kingdom of Israel are based entirely upon biblical myth. Essentially, pre-1948 Judaism is a myth, Jews have no relevant story to tell. For that, I apologize.)

warning from administrator

It seems you are not familiar with the way things are done in Misplaced Pages. I advise you to read the guidelines before editing again. Continued behavior as you have exhibited so far will only serve to get you banned. Zero 10:58, 31 October 2009 (UTC)

Have you ever even been to Israel? Can you name one single thing about Israel that is GOOD? Can you name one single thing about Jews that is GOOD?
If you can't, please "ban" me. AbdulHornochsmannn (talk) 23:09, 1 November 2009 (UTC)
I've been to Israel many times. Which has nothing to do with your performance on Misplaced Pages. Zero 02:48, 2 November 2009 (UTC)
Fine. We'll go about this one step at a time. I've removed the gratuitously POV adverb "brutally". Is that ok? Am I "performing" well so far? AbdulHornochsmannn (talk) 04:07, 2 November 2009 (UTC)
To take out the word "brutally" is fine with me...as it is not in the source at all. (However, your last edit before that to Al-Bassa was not funny at all, and I´m glad you are not continuing that line.) Regards, Huldra (talk) 04:23, 2 November 2009 (UTC)
It wasn't meant to be funny.
Removed non-sequitur reference to the Crusades in the very first sentence. "Crusader" is not a language. AbdulHornochsmannn (talk) 04:42, 2 November 2009 (UTC)
Is my perfomance still ok? I would like to move on to question: In what particular language does the word "bissah" mean "swamp"? AbdulHornochsmannn (talk) 05:13, 2 November 2009 (UTC)
Firstly; about this: Al-Bassa is an "ancient" article (by wikipedia-standards); it was created waaay back in 2003. AFAIK, neither Zero, Tiamut or myself have inserted the material you find offending; it has been there for years. Should I (we) have gone throught every bit of "old" information in the article if we added new information? Well, in an ideal word, perhaps: but in practice: Impossible. I´ve edited 2-3000 articles on wikipedia; mostly adding information from books, etc...I don´t know of any "content-provider" that *always* check *all* information that is already in an article.
As for saying: ""Crusader" is not a language"...that is of course true; but the Crusaders had a lot of "scribes", history-writers etc, and the place-names in Palestine occurred in their deeds, titles, etc. To say that a place "was known to the Crusaders as xx" is the common way of describing it.
Finally; a little less aggressive attitude would be appreciated, Cheers, Huldra (talk) 21:36, 2 November 2009 (UTC)
Are you saying you're not "offended" by plagiarism? Whatever the case, we're not talking dotting the i's or crossing the t's. We're talking about an article about the history of a village in Israel spanning from the time of the Canaanites to 1948, when, enter the Jews, the town is "depopulated". Why has the entire period of ancient Israel been absolutely ignored? Why is their not even the slightest mention of any Jewish presence until the arrival of European Jews? Why were the Muslim invasions of the 7th century ignored? All we have is a story of a Canaanite village, cut to the Roman period, cut to an Arab village, cut to a bunch of "brutal" Jews taking it away from them. Do you mean to tell me that you never noticed anything even slightly amiss about the article? I'm not taking a pro-Israeli OR pro-Palestinian stand here. Yes. The Jews CONQUERED the Canaanites and made the land theirs. Later, the Arab Muslims CONQUERED the Christian Romans, and took it for themselves. The Christians made several attempts to take it back for themselves in what are known of as the Crusades. Finally, in 1948 it fell into the hands of the Jews. Who does the land rightfully belong to? Encyclopedias aren't meant to pass judgment upon such questions. Just the facts. Do you disagree? AbdulHornochsmannn (talk) 03:06, 3 November 2009 (UTC)

Warning TO an Administrator: PLAGIARISM

http://www.palestineremembered.com/Acre/al-Bassa/index.html

Is THIS how "things are done" in Misplaced Pages?

Find a blatantly Anti-Zionist, Anti-Semitic site and just Copy & paste?

If THIS is how "things are done" in Misplaced Pages, please ban me. I wish to have no part in this. AbdulHornochsmannn (talk) 05:32, 2 November 2009 (UTC)

You are reported

You are reported here: Misplaced Pages:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents#AbdulHornochsmannn. You are invited to defend yourself there. Zero 10:35, 4 November 2009 (UTC)

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Nevermind.

Since you abused this page by posting personal insults and making legal threats, you are now blocked from editing it. I left open the option for you to send email, so if you want to make an official appeal against your block, you can email some administrator to ask for assistance. I'm confident that anyone who examines your record will confirm your block. Zero 05:43, 10 November 2009 (UTC)