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regarding ''.'' by Anti-Nationalist. |
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Well, it is a Baltic organization in Australia, not an Australian organization per se. FFI please see the State library of New South Wales: , + Lia Looveer was .--] (]) 05:43, 21 October 2009 (UTC) |
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== ] edit warring over category == |
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] thinks the ] is based upon ethnicity, but it is in fact based upon nationality. As far as I know Lia Looveer was a dual Australian/Estonian national. --] (]) 03:47, 27 October 2009 (UTC) |
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: Actually, I rather expected it might be both, as the "Lists of..." Estonians, Latvian, and Lithuanians include both. ] <small>]]</small> 13:45, 27 October 2009 (UTC) |
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: ] (whoever might that be?) doesn't think ] is based upon ethnicity, descent, or birth location. He thinks it is based on nationality, here meaning where the person actively participates in politics , although Vecrumba apparently thinks the reverse , Martintg. ;-) If politician categories were classified by ethnicity, ] would be a Dutchman, while ] would be Estonian. ] (]) 20:36, 28 October 2009 (UTC) |
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::Lia Looveer had dual Australian/Estonian nationality, so what is ] arguing about? --] (]) 22:16, 28 October 2009 (UTC) |
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:::He means that she wasn't active in Estonian politics, as he explained. Croatian Prime Minister ] is a dual Croatian-French citizen, but he's not a "French politician" because of it. ] (]) 22:37, 28 October 2009 (UTC) |
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::::´´If politician categories were classified by ethnicity, ] would be a Dutchman, while ] would be Estonian. ] (]) 20:36, 28 October 2009 (UTC)´´ - funny, I never knew ] was Estonian. Ever heard of ]? --] ] 17:11, 29 October 2009 (UTC) |
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== Was Looveer a Nazi collaborator? == |
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Wasn't she a Nazi collaborator? According to this link , Looveer, worked for Baltic Radio in Nazi Germany, 1944-45. I wonder why her son had no need to hide this sort of thing. I am also wondering if the Australian public was largely aware of this fact. ] (]) 02:19, 29 October 2009 (UTC) |
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:Misplaced Pages describes ] as <blockquote>the treason of cooperating with enemy forces occupying one's country. As such it implies criminal deeds in the service of the occupying power, including complicity with the occupying power in murder, persecutions, pillage, and economic exploitation as well as participation in a puppet government.</blockquote> I don't think a case (one out of thousands) of a Baltic person having fled the country as the Soviet occupants seized the land and then working for some months for a rather unknown German radio warrants the label 'Nazi collaborator'. Similarly, chairmen of minor ]es in the ESSR aren't usually described as Soviet collaborators. --] ] 17:08, 29 October 2009 (UTC) |
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== Diller redux == |
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Anti-Nationalist nèe PasswordUsername, please present evidence that "Baltic Radio" was a Nazi radio station and not a Baltic (language, I would presume) radio station operating from Germany. That something operated in Germany during the war does not automatically make that something a Nazi enterprise. Are you here to create content or to smear a dead Estonian? (Per your openly leading question starting as: "<u>'''Wasn't she'''</u> a Nazi collaborator?") ] <small>]]</small> 17:31, 29 October 2009 (UTC) |
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The passage quoted by Pantherskin does not exist in Diller's book. Additionally, per the author's correspondence, his book contains all of one sentence with reference to ''Sendergruppe Ostland'' which included Estonia—and not on pages 405-406. FYI, I've ordered the entire set (of which Diller's is volume 2). ]<small> ►]</small> 02:20, 5 December 2011 (UTC) |
The passage quoted by Pantherskin does not exist in Diller's book. Additionally, per the author's correspondence, his book contains all of one sentence with reference to Sendergruppe Ostland which included Estonia—and not on pages 405-406. FYI, I've ordered the entire set (of which Diller's is volume 2). PЄTЄRS J V ►TALK 02:20, 5 December 2011 (UTC)
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