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== Missing Honors and Awards == |
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== Andries Tebow's origin == |
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Male Athlete of the Year (2008) (http://www.gainesville.com/article/20090623/ARTICLES/906239938?Title=Tebow-named-SEC-male-athlete-of-the-year) |
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SEC Scholar-Athlete of the Year (2009) (http://www.gatorzone.com/story.php?id=17120) |
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Sports Illustrated College football Player of the Decade (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/magazine/specials/2000s/12/15/cfb-highlights-lowlights/index.html) |
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Academic All-America of the Year (2008)(http://www.gatorzone.com/story.php?id=14920) (2009)(http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=4685592) |
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Sugar Bowl Most Outstanding Player (2010) (http://allstatesugarbowl.org/site.php?pageID=19&newsID=131) |
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Lowe’s Senior CLASS Award Football Winner (2009) (http://www.seniorclassaward.com/news/view/floridas_tim_tebow_selected_as_2009_lowes_senior_class_award_football_winne/) <small><span class="autosigned">—Preceding ] comment added by ] (] • ]) 08:06, 2 January 2010 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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== Tim's Career QB Rating Is Incorrect == |
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It's listed as 176.0, and that isn't accurate. 661-985 for 9286 yards, with 88 TD's and 15 INT's equates to a QB passer rating of 172.73340101522842. |
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] (]) 04:19, 7 January 2010 (UTC) |
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== Super Bowl ads to feature anti-gay family group == |
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Reference in the article needs to be added about Tebow's involvement with anti-gay organizations:<br> |
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http://ebar.com/columns/column.php?sec=sports<br> |
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] (]) 06:44, 25 January 2010 (UTC) |
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== Focus on the Family is not "pro-life" == |
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Nothing that this organization stands for suggests that they care about life. So the description of this organization in this article should be changed. <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 08:03, 30 January 2010 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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:I could agree with that. They are anti-gay, per the article I posted directly above. ] (]) 17:19, 30 January 2010 (UTC) |
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As I mentioned on ] in response to a (rather rude) comment from ], wikipedia ], and this article is a totally inappropriate place to promote one's view on abortion. You're proposing to qualify a published quote which came directly from the mother of the subject of the article, apparently for political reasons. Should we stick "according to his mother" in front of every other tidbit of info that came from that Gainesville Sun piece? It defies common sense, imo. ] (]) 20:12, 30 January 2010 (UTC) |
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:] has been arguing this point on ]. I'm uncomfortable copying the conversation here, but this is where it belongs since I'm not the only one who has reverted his recent edits to this article. Any interested parties are welcome to jump right in... --] (]) 07:28, 31 January 2010 (UTC) |
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::This is obviously a case of one editor violating the ] policy. Until this editor can prove that they do not have an agenda, any further edits to this article should be reverted. ''']''' ''']''' ] 17:12, 31 January 2010 (UTC) |
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::: Prove I am innocent? You are not an American I can see. Did I post on a pro life page one way or another? or in any other article related to abortion? Did I inject in the item near top of this page if Focus on family is "pro life" or not? No, I saw a news item and looked up sources to find that Misplaced Pages was letting lies be posted and was not letting facts be inserted by SEVERAL editors. Because you have a BIAS for fundamental christain "pro lifers". And do you all help me figure out how to protest your censorship? or use editing tools correctly? NOPE! And this thread was not supposed to be about Focus on family anyway! njw 06:17, 3 February 2010 (UTC) |
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::::Except that I am an American? Had you even bothered to look at my ], you would have seen that I was born in Philadelphia and edit mainly '''American''' articles. I have no bias, in fact I am neither pro-life nor pro-abortion. Considering you created your account in 2006, you should have figured out the tools by now. If not, that's your fault. ''']''' ''']''' ] 13:41, 3 February 2010 (UTC) |
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::::: created account? I logged in with a name , why dont you check to see when I started adding anything. yes when I saw the news that wikipedia editors were putting out crap, and In American one is Innocent until proven Guilty. Mr Philly nocustomdontknowhow 18:40, 3 February 2010 (UTC) <small><span class="autosigned">—Preceding ] comment added by ] (] • ]) </span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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Instant reverts are going too far, imo. Maybe a reasonable wording can be formulated. ] (]) 18:41, 31 January 2010 (UTC) |
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:I don't mean instant reverts, I mean that this user hasn't contributed anything that is not a violation of NPOV towards this article. I'm not an expert on abortion or any of this pro-life stuff, so I can't really tell what is NPOV or not. ''']''' ''']''' ] 19:08, 31 January 2010 (UTC) |
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== suggested addition to article == |
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On January 29th, 2010 did an interview with radaronline.com in that interview she talks about doing some investigating into Tim's mother's story about Pam's Doctors recommending an abortion. |
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In her interview with RadarOnline.com points out factual inconsistencies with Pam's story. One glaring fact is that the act of abortion is totally illegal in the majority Catholic country of the Philippines - under all circumstances including rape and incest, and even without a provision in the circumstance that the mother's life is in danger. The law has been in effect since 1930. |
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Also physicians and midwives who perform abortions in the Philippines face six years in prison, and may have their licenses suspended or revoked, and that women who receive abortions – no matter the reason – may be punished with imprisonment for two to six years. ] (]) 18:18, 31 January 2010 (UTC)Thoruen |
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:(''I hope you don't mind that I moved your post down to the bottom of the talk page where this issue is already being discussed. Makes it easier for everyone to follow...'') |
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:As a US citizen on a mission trip, she could have returned to the US for the procedure, so this info certainly doesn't prove that Pam Tebow's statement has "factual inconsistencies." |
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:But it's not really our place to sort this out. The real issue here is that these edits are running afoul of the ] and ] guidelines by using a particular ] to push the article in a direction that suits a certain position on abortion. If a real investigative report proves that these statements are false, the article should of course be changed to reflect that. Right now, tho, all we have is speculation fueled by anger about a Super Bowl commercial that hadn't even aired yet. Let's let cooler heads prevail, please. ] (]) 18:41, 31 January 2010 (UTC) |
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::As an American, yes. She could've easily returned to the US and gotten an abortion. But a doctor in the Philippines would be at risk of losing their license and maybe even going to prison just for recommending an abortion (and in fact, doctors and nurses tend to be some of the most vocally anti-abortion demographics in the Philippines). So the claim that an abortion was recommended to Mrs. Tebow is in and of itself dubious. And it's not original research because third-party sources (such as the above-linked interview with Gloria Allred) have brought up the discrepancy. ] (]) 22:20, 2 February 2010 (UTC) |
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I must disagree with you. |
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:1. This is not "original research" it is information about an apparent contradiction in the story. As far as "wikipedia is not a soapbox" this article is bias as written. If mention of the controversy can be included, neither should the original section. |
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:2. I do agree that the paragraph above is inflammatory, but we do need to add something. |
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:3. Having suffered a placental abruption, a serious obstetric complication, travel back to the US would not have been an option. http://www.merck.com/mmhe/sec25/ch303/ch303c.html <small><span class="autosigned">—Preceding ] comment added by ] (] • ]) 07:25, 2 February 2010 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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::I understand your point, but then you did some obvious original research when you looked up a medical condition online and then made an independent medical decision about somebody's ability to travel 20+ years after the fact. Can't do that. |
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::Anyway, as I said before, if this controversy (or any other fact that is "likely to be challenged") is to be included, it must be cited with a quality source. The paragraph is currently unsourced, and the sources added previously were only blogs. |
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::Also, before anybody accuses me of a "Focus on the Family" bias, let me assure you that nothing is further from the truth. Actually, I've been among a handful of users who have helped keep this highly visible article free of ] problems (both pro-Tebow and anti-Tebow) for the past several years. To me, this looks like much the same thing, albeit for reasons of politics rather than college loyalty. ] (]) 11:54, 2 February 2010 (UTC) |
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Hello fellow Wikipedians. |
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:So who put the POV back in early years section? njw 21:07, 2 February 2010 (UTC) |
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A few days ago I added the fact that Tim descends from Andries Tebow to the article. He emigrated to America from ] in the 1680s. The littletonbooks source suggests that Andries fled persecution in Belgium, while the New York Times points out: ''Belgium was governed by the Catholic rulers of Spain and persecuted Protestants, forcing many to flee''. I doubted this was the case in the 1680s in (Spanish) Belgium, so I omitted this point (beside 1686 being too late imo, even during the Dutch Revolt many emigrated for business). |
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::What are you talking about? ''']''' ''']''' ] 21:36, 2 February 2010 (UTC) |
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I now recalled about the Huguenots. Right in 1685 there was the ], and the man is said to have arrived in America via Bruges in 1686. |
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::: i knew you wouldnt understand njw 06:19, 3 February 2010 (UTC) |
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But then, today the surname's variant Thybaut (''Tebow'' is an American Anglicisation that is absent in Europe) is most prevalent in Belgium; the variant Thibaut has the highest density in Belgium, while in France (where it most prevalent) it is most prevalent in the ] region (the most populous part of which, including the ], was once in the ], and later Burgundy, and then Spanish Southern Netherlands). It is therefore possible that, even if a Protestant from France, the man was still a Fleming or a Walloon; Belgian if you will. |
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::::Okay? ''']''' ''']''' ] 23:52, 2 February 2010 (UTC) |
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The surname Thybaut does have smaller pockets in Aquitaine and Occitaine today. |
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Nwerle, editing your comments after others have responded to your original statement is discouraged,]. ] (]) 01:41, 3 February 2010 (UTC) |
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Any ideas? Does anyone have some info about Andries Tebow or the 1686 voyage from Bruges? |
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== Suggested Addition: Tim Tebow Foundation == |
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== Tight end? == |
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As of 2010, Tim Tebow has recently launched his own foundation website, which should be added under professional career {{unsigned|Argumentdesk|18:56, 2 February 2010 }} |
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:Find an independent, reliable source about it first. --] (]) 03:26, 3 February 2010 (UTC) |
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::Yup; independent, reliable, notable; the works. ] (]) 03:28, 3 February 2010 (UTC) |
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@Bears247 Not sure why you keep changing the opening sentence to say that Tebow played tight end and removing the mention of his current career in broadcasting. He won a Heisman at QB but never appeared as a tight end in a regular season game at any level, so giving those positions equal weight in the opening sentence is misleading and violates ]. Of course, his brief tryout at TE should be mentioned in the article and (arguably) in the infobox, but not at the very top of the introduction. |
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== Pregnancy Problems == |
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Since there is considerable controversy around the subject, perhaps we could change the section about Tim Tebow's mother's pregnancy problems to say that she claims that doctors recommended she get an abortion. The link provided is based on an interview with her and provides no corroborating evidence. ] (]) 08:43, 3 February 2010 (UTC) |
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Also, saying that he's a "free agent" implies that he's still looking to sign with a team when he's clearly done with playing professionally at this point. He's been working at ESPN / SEC Network for several years, so that career should definitely be mentioned in the lede imo. ] (]) 12:43, 27 July 2023 (UTC) |
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:@]: I'd have to look for it, but at one point there was a discussion at the NFL WikiProject regarding when to stop labelling a player as a free agent. The end result was a general rule of thumb that players are changed from free agent to former player after a period of 2 years. Technically working a TV job does not mean that a player could not return to professional sports (Jason Witten), though I do recognize that it's unlikely and uncommon. ]'s article faces a similar issue, in that he's taken a TV job but he's not announced that he's actually retired from football. I believe that's what Bearts247 is working off of in regards to the free agent mention. ] (]) 12:59, 27 July 2023 (UTC) |
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: D'oh ! nocustomdontknowhow 18:45, 3 February 2010 (UTC) |
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::That's a reasonable guideline. Tebow hasn't played in a regular season NFL game since 2012, his brief training camp tryout with the Jaguars ended two years ago, and in between he spent several years away from the game. Even that was because his former coach (Urban Meyer) had just started his ill-fated tenure in Jax and wanted Tebow in camp to be a good work ethic example. His playing career is clearly done. ] (]) 14:13, 27 July 2023 (UTC) |
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:::I'm going to get quite busy with real life very soon so I went ahead and re-reverted the first sentence as described above and revamped the rest of the introduction while I was here. Feel free to discuss further as desired... ] (]) 13:51, 30 July 2023 (UTC) |
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:Tight end tryout does not meet ] and should not be in the lead sentence.—] (]) 04:36, 31 July 2023 (UTC) |
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== Semi-protected edit request on 28 July 2023 == |
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:That last sentence is what I disagree with. Let's say you're editing the Beatles article and cite a new factoid with a direct quote from Paul McCartney that you found in a credible published source that's also available online. Would it be reasonable to for somebody to insist on couching the item with phrases which doubt the fact just because the source provides no "corroborating evidence" besides the word of the person most involved? Who would know about more about events like this than the person who was actually there? |
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:: hearsay even by the god paul McCartney should be suspect, (god part was a joke). nocustomdontknowhow 18:45, 3 February 2010 (UTC) |
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seaso = season ] (]) 04:06, 28 July 2023 (UTC) |
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:{{done}}<!-- Template:ESp --> ] (]) 05:19, 28 July 2023 (UTC) |
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== Was not the first underclassman to win heisman like it says in the opening paragraphs. == |
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*"Hearsay" is when somebody hears a story second- (or third-, or fourth-, etc.) hand and repeats it. Neither the Pam Tebow statement nor the hypothetical word of Sir Paul is hearsay. If somebody is telling what happened in their own life and it's published in a good source, we'd have to accept it for wikipedia purposes unless directly contradicted by another good published source. ] (]) 21:01, 3 February 2010 (UTC) |
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Archie Griffin won it as a Junior and senior. ] (]) 02:02, 3 November 2023 (UTC) |
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::: and what Paul says John said is HEARSAY!!!!!!!!! nocustomdontknowhow 21:48, 3 February 2010 (UTC) <small><span class="autosigned">—Preceding ] comment added by ] (] • ]) </span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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:Junior and senior isn't underclassmen. ] (]) 02:33, 3 November 2023 (UTC) |
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:Without a REALLY good reason (ie an investigative report from a published source, NOT just blog speculation), there's no need to qualify anything here, either. Now if the controversy itself gains some credible press, it should be included in the "Super Bowl ad" section. imo. ] (]) 11:46, 3 February 2010 (UTC) |
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== Semi-protected edit request on 10 December 2023 == |
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::: press ? abc, cbs http://abcnews.go.com/WN/tim-tebow-super-bowl-ad-cbs-air-controversial/story?id=9667638 http://www.usnews.com/articles/opinion/2010/02/03/should-cbs-show-tim-tebows-anti-abortion-super-bowl-ad.html nocustomdontknowhow 18:45, 3 February 2010 (UTC) |
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*The articles linked above discuss the controversy over the Super Bowl ad. That topic should certainly be included in Tim Tebow's wiki-bio. However, I didn't see any mention in either link concerning Pam Tebow's alleged lying about the circumstances of her son's birth. That's the specific topic that shouldn't be included due to a lack of quality sources, imo, at least at this point. I hesitate to direct you to yet another wikipolicy, but have you looked over the ]?] (]) 21:01, 3 February 2010 (UTC) |
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Tim Tebow was not the first undergrad to win the Heisman Trophy! |
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Archie Griffin won it twice first time as a Junior second as a senior! |
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::: you said press - so thats what I put, you want SOURCES oon the lies ! got ot do al lyour "research" for You? 1 - http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/01/29/tim-tebow-super-bowl-ad-m_n_442808.html 2 - http://womensrights.change.org/blog/view/is_the_anti-choice_tim_tebow_super_bowl_ad_a_lie 3 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8m3X6MghcNI 4 - http://chattahbox.com/entertainment/2010/01/30/gloria-allred-says-tim-tebows-superbowl-ad-misleading-advertising/ 5 - http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/sports_bianchi/2010/02/tim-tebow-abortion-story-is-being-swiftboated-by-womens-rights-activist-gloria-allred.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+sports_bianchi+%28Open+Mike%29&utm_content=Google+Feedfetcher 6 http://www.lifenews.com/nat5943.html 7 I even include a "pro-life" source http://www.lifenews.com/nat5943.html, next you will be saying MALE oriented sources only. nocustomdontknowhow 21:56, 3 February 2010 (UTC) |
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There may be others before Griffin ] (]) 16:28, 10 December 2023 (UTC) |
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::::Every one of those sources is a blog. PLEASE read the ], especially ]! You don't seem to get the problem here - it has nothing to do with political or religious beliefs, it's about making sure biographical articles are fair, accurate, and libel-free. Here's a quote from the official policy: ''Misplaced Pages is a high-profile, widely viewed website with an international scope, which means that material we publish about living people can seriously affect their lives and the lives of their families, colleagues, and friends. '''Biographical material must therefore be written with great care and strict adherence to our content policies.''' '' ] (]) 00:40, 4 February 2010 (UTC) |
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:] '''Not done:'''<!-- Template:ESp --> The articles says {{tq|...the first underclassman}}, not the first undergrad. Tebow won the Trophy in his sophomore year. ] (]) 16:48, 10 December 2023 (UTC) |
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::I am aware that the word underclassman may be confusing to non-Americans (which includes myself; I had to look it up too). It refers to the first and second years of university education. Perhaps a rewording would make it clearer, but ] recommends using the nation's own style of English, which would be American English in this case given Tebow's nationality. ] (]) 16:53, 10 December 2023 (UTC) |
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:::And there's not a graceful way to link it as it's currently embedded in {{section link|Student#Post-second_year}}.—] (]) 17:17, 10 December 2023 (UTC) |
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== Semi-protected edit request on 17 December 2024 == |
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::I wonder if an acceptable compromise form would be words to the effect "she says that doctors recommended...", rather than either of "she claims that doctors recommended.." and "doctors recommended..."? ] (]) 12:49, 3 February 2010 (UTC) |
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Change position (Quarterback) to position (Quarterback, Tight End), as Tebow played Tight End for the Jaguars in 2021. |
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*Maybe something like "In an interview, his mother stated that..." would work. Let's see what others think. ] (]) 21:01, 3 February 2010 (UTC) |
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:{{Not done}} He didn't play in any real games as a tight end. ] (]) 01:09, 17 December 2024 (UTC) |
Hello fellow Wikipedians.
A few days ago I added the fact that Tim descends from Andries Tebow to the article. He emigrated to America from Bruges in the 1680s. The littletonbooks source suggests that Andries fled persecution in Belgium, while the New York Times points out: Belgium was governed by the Catholic rulers of Spain and persecuted Protestants, forcing many to flee. I doubted this was the case in the 1680s in (Spanish) Belgium, so I omitted this point (beside 1686 being too late imo, even during the Dutch Revolt many emigrated for business).
Any ideas? Does anyone have some info about Andries Tebow or the 1686 voyage from Bruges?
@Bears247 Not sure why you keep changing the opening sentence to say that Tebow played tight end and removing the mention of his current career in broadcasting. He won a Heisman at QB but never appeared as a tight end in a regular season game at any level, so giving those positions equal weight in the opening sentence is misleading and violates WP:UNDUE. Of course, his brief tryout at TE should be mentioned in the article and (arguably) in the infobox, but not at the very top of the introduction.
Also, saying that he's a "free agent" implies that he's still looking to sign with a team when he's clearly done with playing professionally at this point. He's been working at ESPN / SEC Network for several years, so that career should definitely be mentioned in the lede imo. Zeng8r (talk) 12:43, 27 July 2023 (UTC)
Change position (Quarterback) to position (Quarterback, Tight End), as Tebow played Tight End for the Jaguars in 2021.
Done Tollens (talk) 05:19, 28 July 2023 (UTC)
Not done: The articles says 
Not done He didn't play in any real games as a tight end. ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 01:09, 17 December 2024 (UTC)